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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen, drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: News talks be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. Coming up today on the show. As expected,

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Speaker 3: the government has ordered that inquiry into how wide or

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Speaker 3: were flooded. So the locals, of course, as you know,

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Speaker 3: blame Hawks Bay Regional Council. So we will be speaking

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Speaker 3: to Hawks Bay Regional Council after five Chris Lux and

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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister is traveling to the US for the

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Speaker 3: NATO summit next week. We'll speak to former NZ Ambassador

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Speaker 3: to the US Tim Grosser. And the government crackdown on

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Speaker 3: kyeing or order continues. Half the old board is out,

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Speaker 3: the boss has gone, got the new board today and

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Speaker 3: the letter of expectations at Chris Bishop will talk us

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Speaker 3: through it later.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen.

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Speaker 3: Now, if there is one area where I am constantly

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Speaker 3: and consistently impressed with what this government has already managed

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Speaker 3: to do its education. Today they've announced they're bringing in

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Speaker 3: standardized testing for kids, and that standardized testing will kick

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Speaker 3: in from the very first year that kids are in

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Speaker 3: primary school. The five year olds are going to be

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Speaker 3: tested on phonics, see how they're going in terms of reading.

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Speaker 3: They'll be tested after they've been in school for twenty weeks,

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Speaker 3: and then after they've been in school for forty weeks.

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Speaker 3: You could basically stay halfway through the year and at

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Speaker 3: They're going to be tested again also twice a year

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Speaker 3: for how much progress they're making and reading, writing and maths. Now,

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Speaker 3: I would venture that there are parents up and down

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Speaker 3: this country absolutely stoked to hear this announcement today because

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Speaker 3: good parents care about how their kids are doing. We

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Speaker 3: want to know are they keeping up, are they absolutely fine,

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Speaker 3: nothing to worry about in that area, or they struggling

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Speaker 3: a little bit. Do they need a little bit of

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Speaker 3: extra help. You want to know this stuff so you

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Speaker 3: could put the extra effort and if you have to,

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Speaker 3: And this is the way that parents are going to

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Speaker 3: know what's going on. Without testing, you don't know. You're

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Speaker 3: flying blind. You could be assuming Johnny's doing just fine.

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Speaker 3: Johnny might be like two years bind everybody else. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you probably have an inkling of it, but you might

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Speaker 3: not know the extent of it. I think, frankly it's

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Speaker 3: nuts that we have been flying blind on something as

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Speaker 3: important is our kids' education up to now. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: here we aren't about to get fixed. As I say,

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Speaker 3: I'm yet to be disappointed by the education ministers, Erica

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Speaker 3: This announcement. This is great. The cell phone's out of

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Speaker 3: schools already demonstrating results, despite the fact that we all

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Speaker 3: mocked the idea for its simplicity. David Seymour's truan see

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Speaker 3: crackdown we just found out yesterday. Already parents are booking

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Speaker 3: less term time travel and more school holiday travel. And

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Speaker 3: then charter schools. Great idea from David Seymour again, because

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Speaker 3: not every kid learns in exactly the same way and

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Speaker 3: if they need something a little bit different to help

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Speaker 3: them out, that is what a charter school provides, something

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Speaker 3: a little bit different. And you know it actually works

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Speaker 3: because Willie Jackson personally runs I think a couple of

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Speaker 3: charter schools, despite the fact that his party opposes the idea.

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Speaker 3: So there you go. So for however you may feel

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Speaker 3: least an education. At least there they're getting some real results.

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Speaker 3: Wants the testing kicks in maybe even more results. And

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Speaker 3: it matters because education is one of the most important

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Speaker 3: for see Ellen nineteen ninety is a text understand a

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Speaker 3: Erica Stanford will be with us around about twelve minutes

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Speaker 3: past five now. Some glory of our leavers are preparing

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Speaker 3: to sue the crown for failing to protect them while

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Speaker 3: they were living in the remote Christian community. They are

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Speaker 3: claiming that some public servants knew that GLORIAVL was using

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Speaker 3: about it. Lawyer Brian Henry is working on this case

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Speaker 3: and is with us. Now, Hi, Brian, Hi, how are

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Speaker 4: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Who are these public servants?

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Speaker 5: Well, that's the question. We don't know because you can't

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Speaker 5: get it under the Official Information Act. So we've had

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Speaker 5: to take court proceedings to identify the names of who

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Speaker 3: Do you know, did you do you at least know

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Speaker 5: They were in a all of government committee, so they're

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Speaker 5: in a whole raft of departments. Okay, the wased that

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Speaker 3: And how do you know that they knew that there

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Speaker 5: Well, they got a lot of complaints from people who

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Speaker 5: will be my plaintiffs. And we've also got off ends

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Speaker 5: of what we believed, because you can actually see slavery

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, obviously it's one thing to have allegations late,

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Speaker 3: it's another to know for a fact that this is

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Speaker 3: going on. Which of the two is what they were

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Speaker 5: Well, we believe that when someone comes and makes a

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Speaker 5: serious complaint, that is called a witness, and when that

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Speaker 5: how things are judged. You don't just sit back and

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Speaker 5: get a letter from what we say, are the slave

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Speaker 5: masters saying oh no, no, no, we don't do that,

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Speaker 6: Believe the leaders.

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, even if there's an allegation, right, if

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Speaker 3: doesn't there to investigate did they fail to do that

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 5: What we're saying is they had enough. They are required

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Speaker 5: to investigate. What they did was just entirely inadequate. You

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Speaker 5: just don't go to the potential criminal and say, oh,

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Speaker 5: talks about keeping them ignorant, keeping them unworldly. And you're

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Speaker 5: I do know the government's got a process in place

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Speaker 5: about whether or not they can keep being school, but they're.

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Speaker 7: Entitled to have a proper process.

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Speaker 5: So Erica Stanton seems to be doing the job as

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Speaker 5: far as I'm concerned, pretty well too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty impressive, Brian. Listen, if you guys were to

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Speaker 2: Yes, how much?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's general damages because if you're enslaved and people

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Speaker 5: know you're enslaved, it just becomes what is the going

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Speaker 5: tariff for slavery? Well, at the moment, I haven't worked

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Speaker 3: Be quite large. Yeah, well, you know you got to

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Speaker 3: start large because it only comes down from there. Brian,

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, appreciated and best of luck with that, Brian.

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Speaker 3: Henry Gloria Ail's lawyer, Heather, what absolute rubbish from you.

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Speaker 3: Schools already test kids six monthly and do reports to

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Speaker 3: parents six monthly. Do some research, Jase. Honestly, yes, probably

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Speaker 3: you're lucky because your school does that. Not all schools

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Speaker 3: do that. Some look, ninety percent of schools are doing

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Speaker 3: some just to illustrate that there was some research done

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Speaker 3: Ninety percent of schools or thereabouts are doing testing off

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Speaker 3: some sort. The problem is there is a great variation

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Speaker 3: obviously your kids are getting them twice a year. That

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Speaker 3: scale of excellent levels of time testing through to virtually well,

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Speaker 3: get the same awesome opportunities as your kids. You're welcome.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden has scheduled his first TV interview since the debate.

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Speaker 3: Of the debate he's got, He's decided to sit down

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Speaker 3: with George Stephanopoulos on ABC, who's bit of a veteran

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Speaker 3: that they haven't said, and this is I'm like, tell me, George,

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Speaker 3: to be Saturday, and then the extended interview Sunday evening.

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Speaker 3: So far us, it's really Monday. And actually, did you

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Speaker 3: realize he doesn't he They have been like, really, they

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Speaker 3: have been keeping him on a short leash because you know,

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Speaker 3: so few interviews, He's only done four. This will be

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Speaker 3: almost as stingy with his interviews as Jacinda was when

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duper c Allen Drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 1: One Giant Leap for business US Talks.

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Speaker 3: A be Darcy Waldergrave sports talk hosters with me, Darcy.

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Speaker 8: I love to see someone rocking a turtleneck, Heather.

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Speaker 9: It is great.

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Speaker 8: I know it's radio and it's not visual, but this

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Speaker 8: brings me back to my misspent youth with a turtleneck

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Speaker 8: rocking around.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, listen, are you are you? Are you saying

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Speaker 3: this because you still they haven't come round, like you

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Speaker 3: haven't accepted that that call again.

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Speaker 8: I don't even know what's call anymore. Okay, I'm a

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Speaker 8: fifty four year old man.

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Speaker 3: Is that the thing that you're doing right now? You're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: look at you wearing your little ladies.

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Speaker 10: I like it.

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Speaker 8: I'm just saying it reminds.

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Speaker 3: Me of my Can I ask you a question? That's

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Speaker 3: a question when I see young ladies at the moment

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Speaker 3: walking around in their Lululemon bootleg cut pants. No matter

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Speaker 3: how much I try, I just cannot get into it.

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Speaker 3: Because when I was eighteen years old, that was all

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Speaker 3: we wore was black bootlegs. And and so it's had

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Speaker 3: I'm so fascinated. I'm looking forward to it. Darcy, Thank

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Speaker 3: Yayo twenty three.

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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need,

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Speaker 1: Nets find your smart speaker on the iHeart app and

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Speaker 3: We were heather that last text, this is the one

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Speaker 3: Rushie Sunak has wheeled out the big guns and a lapse,

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Speaker 3: last ditch attempt to save his party from absolute disaster

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Speaker 3: at the impending UK election. Yeah that Rushy would have

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Speaker 12: If you feel you've got a few thousand despair, then

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Speaker 12: vote Labor on Thursday. Go right ahead, make my day,

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Speaker 12: vote for Starmer. But if you want to protect our

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Speaker 12: don't you. Everybody, There's only one thing to do. Vote Conservative.

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Speaker 3: At least one hundred and Sixteen people have died in

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Speaker 13: I've just received this sad news. We're getting reports of

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Speaker 3: And finally, more like leave me behind. Because Sharon Corp

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Speaker 3: she said on social media. She cried and then she

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Speaker 3: went searching for her bags and that took her a

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Speaker 3: really long time, and all up she was in that

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Speaker 3: Madrid airport for seven hours. Happens to absolutely everyone.

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Speaker 8: Heather, she produce.

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Speaker 9: Laura says that she has definitely taken a violin in

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Speaker 9: the in the handletter be four and it fet just fine.

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Speaker 9: So I don't know what's going on here.

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Speaker 3: Why does that not surprise me that the nerdy producer

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Speaker 3: from Germany? Like could you be more German? She fluent

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Speaker 3: in multiple languages, and also she plays the valain obviously,

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Speaker 3: Dan Mitchinson, just what an overachiever? How annoying. Never talk

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Speaker 3: to me about your violin ever again, Laura, Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Dan Mitchinson US correspondence with me now.

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Speaker 14: Hello Dan on the other end of the spectrum, Hello there, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Dan tell me you can only speak one language day, yes,

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Speaker 3: and I'm working on that every day. A normal person,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Yeah, me too. I'm still working on English. Hey,

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Speaker 3: So Joe Biden's interview with George Stephanopolis. Now do we

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Speaker 3: know whether he recorded this during his optimal peak hours

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Speaker 3: ten am to four pm?

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Speaker 11: We we don't.

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Speaker 14: But that actually, you bring up a good point because

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Speaker 14: that's causing the uproar here. This is going to be

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Speaker 14: a taped interview, so it's going to be edited. As Stephanopolis,

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Speaker 14: in all fairness, is a great interviewer, he's also a

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Speaker 14: former Clinton aide. So there's already been accusations that all

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Speaker 14: the pauses and stumbles and whatnot that we've seen with

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Speaker 14: President Biden will be edited out. So you can imagine

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Speaker 14: what Republicans have been saying about this already, that it's

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Speaker 14: not going to be you know, fair or or balanced,

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Speaker 14: and that this whole thing should have been done live

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Speaker 14: instead of spreading it across you know, three or four

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Speaker 14: days and a number of news programs over here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. Now, so I'm struggling to understand how

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Speaker 3: this is going to play out. The extended interview on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: What's coming out on Friday, like just a bit of it.

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Speaker 14: Well, they're going to do the interview on Friday, all right,

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Speaker 14: going to start airing bits and pieces of it on

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Speaker 14: the evening news and then on the Sunday talk shows,

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Speaker 14: and then on the Good Morning America program on ABC

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Speaker 14: on Monday. So I think we'll get our first taste

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Speaker 14: of what he has to say and how he's looking

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Speaker 14: and talking on on the evening News Friday night. But

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Speaker 14: they're going to sort of spread this out as much

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Speaker 14: as they can across the across the number of news shows,

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Speaker 14: and then Biden's going to do a press conference at.

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Speaker 11: The NATO summit in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 14: Next week, But you know, he'll take questions from a

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Speaker 14: number of reporters, but you don't know if those are

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Speaker 14: going to be pre screen questions or not.

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Speaker 3: Dan, can he undo the damage? I mean, every time

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Speaker 3: he comes out and you know, is performing an energetic

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Speaker 3: I suppose it allays some of the fear, But will

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Speaker 3: it ever allay all of the fear?

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Speaker 14: You can't unsee what we saw during that debate, you

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Speaker 14: know that's the problem.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: I mean they're going to continue to show that over

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Speaker 14: and over and over again, and the Republicans are going

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Speaker 14: to use that in every commercial and every possible opportunity

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Speaker 14: they can. So, I mean he may have gotten a

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Speaker 14: little boost in some polls from that debate. People thought

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Speaker 14: he was more trustworthy than Donald Trump. But did he

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Speaker 14: come across better than Trump on that?

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Speaker 2: No, No, he didn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. Listen, do you reckon that these rich

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Speaker 3: Americans who fled for New Zealand during the Adoing years

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Speaker 3: a coming bay?

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Speaker 14: You know, it's interesting because what happened was that after

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Speaker 14: that that's debate. I mean John Stewart equipped on The

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Speaker 14: Daily Show that they he needed to call a real

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Speaker 14: estate agent in New Zealand.

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Speaker 11: And this isn't something new because when Trump.

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Speaker 14: Came into office, a lot of Liberals said they were

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Speaker 14: going to move to Canada, and you know, they practically

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Speaker 14: swore on a Bible. And I can't tell you a

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Speaker 14: single Democrat or Hollywood actor, a musician who followed up

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Speaker 14: on the threat. So when your former PM Jacinda Ardern

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Speaker 14: was in power, we saw more Americans born over there

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Speaker 14: in New Zealand. They say a thirty percent more compared

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Speaker 14: with five years earlier. But as we know, times have

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Speaker 14: changed in your country. You have a more conservative government,

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Speaker 14: the most that we've seen in a while. And I

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Speaker 14: think that's caught a lot of people off guard who

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Speaker 14: thought about moving over there by surprise, and that's got

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Speaker 14: people now rethinking, is this the political utopia and there's

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Speaker 14: being New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: No, that's right. They should go back, they should go

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Speaker 3: back and experience the Trump year is two point zero.

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Speaker 14: Well, now they're going to Now a lot of them

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Speaker 14: are looking back again at Canada, or they're looking.

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Speaker 11: South to Mexico right now.

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Speaker 14: So let's keep our little secret of New Zealand, especially

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Speaker 14: done Eden, that little jewel at the southern part of

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Speaker 14: your island, Oh secret between us.

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Speaker 3: Love it day, Dan, Thank you so much, you always

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Speaker 3: wonderful appreciated Dan Bitchins in our US correspondent hither. If

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Speaker 3: you've ever experienced a landing with Ryan Air, which is

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Speaker 3: more akin to falling out of the sky, you would

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Speaker 3: understand why Sharon wouldn't want her violins stowed in the hole.

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Speaker 3: That's from Jonathan. Thank you. Barry, soaper is next sixteen

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Speaker 3: away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics was centrics credit check your customers and get payments certainty, very.

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Speaker 3: Soper Seni your political correspondence with us now Barry.

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Speaker 10: Hello, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: When you were at school two hundred years ago, did

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Speaker 3: you have to do testing when you were at primary school?

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Speaker 10: We did testing all the time and had report cards

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Speaker 10: all the time. And most common line that was used

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Speaker 10: for me is and I can't never understand why I

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Speaker 10: was is doing well but could do better?

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Speaker 3: And did you mum look at that and think, oh jeez,

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Speaker 3: I need to try with that one? Just go on

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Speaker 3: your own themail.

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Speaker 10: Well, I can't remember, but I think I did better.

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Speaker 10: I'm not sure, but I think it's a great idea.

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Speaker 10: I mean, from next year, all kids with in their

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Speaker 10: first year of schooling will have to run through a

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Speaker 10: phonics test that'll help teachers understand how well kids can

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Speaker 10: read by sounding out letters after twenty weeks of schooling,

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Speaker 10: and it'll be repeated after forty weeks, so that's in

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Speaker 10: their first year. I think these are great moves and

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Speaker 10: they should have been in place, I think long before now,

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Speaker 10: because we haven't really known as parents how well our

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Speaker 10: kids are doing progressively at school.

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Speaker 11: There will be.

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Speaker 10: Progression on monitoring of reading, writing, and maths, and that'll

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Speaker 10: be introduced for years three to eight, which is good.

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Speaker 11: You you'll hither that's.

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Speaker 10: A bit boring for you.

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Speaker 3: No, sorry, oh, my gosh, not for on air, what's wrong?

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Speaker 3: Carry on?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, And so it'll basically essentially help teachers understand how

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Speaker 10: well the kid's do, not only them, but they'll be

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Speaker 10: able to pass it on to the parents, and then

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Speaker 10: the parents will be able to take hopefully some sort

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Speaker 10: of remedial action at home to make sure their kids

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Speaker 10: keep up. And the objective, of course.

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Speaker 3: Is too so the teacher can right, because it will

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Speaker 3: also identify for the teacher who's falling behind.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well that too, and the government strategist to get

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Speaker 10: eighty percent of students at curriculum level by the time

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Speaker 10: they reach high school. Now, of course labors come out.

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Speaker 10: And Jan Tinetti, who used to be a school teacher,

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Speaker 10: she described the announcement as a step, a backward step

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Speaker 10: for education, saying that a number of students will be

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Speaker 10: left behind. Well, that may be the one would hope

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Speaker 10: that the parents would try and ensure that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 10: But she said that Erica Stanford has hell bent on

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Speaker 10: one size fits all in the education system. Well, isn't

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Speaker 10: that what education's about is to make one size even

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Speaker 10: be better than all.

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Speaker 3: I was hoping to address I am going to address

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Speaker 3: this later in the show actually, but I really keen

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Speaker 3: to know what you think about the story that emerged

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Speaker 3: on news Hub last night. It had also been on

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Speaker 3: Newsroom a couple of weeks ago about David Seymour apparently

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Speaker 3: getting in trouble for messaging kids eight years ago on Snapchat.

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Speaker 10: My blood ran cold, and I thought, honestly, the thing

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Speaker 10: that I think annoyed me more than anything else was

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Speaker 10: the mother that said that there should be guidelines around

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Speaker 10: how politicians communicate directly with young people on social media.

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Speaker 10: Now the mother was blurred out, so she didn't have

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Speaker 10: the courage of the convictions to come forward and say

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Speaker 10: what she felt anymous. And then the kids, similarly, they

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Speaker 10: were now older, of course, because this was this occurred

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Speaker 10: in twenty sixteen, so and it was at a point,

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Speaker 10: I might say, when Snapchat was very much the vogue

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Speaker 10: social media go to platform and the ACT Party in

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Speaker 10: twenty twenty spent quite a lot of money with Snapchat

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Speaker 10: for their election campaign. So it was only right that

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Speaker 10: David Seymour was on Snapchat, and it was so innocent,

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Speaker 10: and what it denoted was what it suggested luridly, was

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Speaker 10: that David Seymour in some way was grooming young kids.

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Speaker 10: They loved getting a reply from a politician totally innocently.

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Speaker 10: It's telling them to look after themselves. I just think

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Speaker 10: it's disgraceful that the news Hub, in the last week

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Speaker 10: of its operation, came out with a story like this,

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Speaker 10: as though it's a damning story for politicians. Chris Bishop

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Speaker 10: was accused similarly back in two thousand and eighty of

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Speaker 10: replying to messages from kids. Well, you know, school kids

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Speaker 10: do go on to vote and they say, but an adult,

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Speaker 10: male politician and won. If it was a female politician

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Speaker 10: that had replied, if it was Julianne Genter replying to.

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Speaker 3: School women aren't creeps?

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Speaker 10: Oh is that right?

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Speaker 3: That's well, that's the common trope, isn't it. Well it is, Hey,

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Speaker 3: very quickly, what's Shane Jones up to now?

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Speaker 10: Well, Shane Jones is furious. He had some family competing

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Speaker 10: in a Kapahaka secondary schools competition last week and he's

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Speaker 10: furious because he, like a number of New Zealanders, can

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Speaker 10: speak Maori and listened to the wayatas that came with

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Speaker 10: these competing schools, and he said that he's convinced that

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Speaker 10: essentially the Kappa haka tutors conditioning these kids to be

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Speaker 10: anti government, And unfortunately, I said to show Shane earlier today,

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Speaker 10: I was talking to him and said I'd like the

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Speaker 10: English translation of some of these Wayarta by this time

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Speaker 10: that were on air. He hadn't been able to come

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Speaker 10: back to me in meetings most of the day. But

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Speaker 10: I'll no doubt see them what the interpretation was. But

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Speaker 10: it goes back, I guess to the hakka the women

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Speaker 10: performed with Pride and Wellington. I think it was wasn't

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Speaker 10: it that they were anti government as well? And honestly,

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Speaker 10: let kids make up their own mind. I'll tell you

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Speaker 10: one thing that he was furious at was that the

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Speaker 10: screaming across Parliament and essentially it's a well known Maldi

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Speaker 10: term that Maldi blood is wasted on you. Well, he

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Speaker 10: was furious at. Was the Parliament's youngest MP, Hanna Raffiti. No,

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Speaker 10: my Pie Clark. She's only she was born in two

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Speaker 10: thousand and two, so she's twenty two. She screamed at

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Speaker 10: Winston Peters that term that Mauldi blood was wasted on him,

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Speaker 10: and he said that is totally offensive to a man

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Speaker 10: in his late seventies from a twenty two year old.

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Speaker 3: Verry, thank you very sober, Senior political correspondence seven away

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Speaker 3: from five putting.

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Speaker 1: The time questions to the newsmakers the mic asking breakfast and.

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Speaker 15: As fair Digital News Marketing Bill going ahead, and we

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Speaker 15: have the second degree to disagree.

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Speaker 11: Trigger pulled in the coalition, this time by act. David

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Speaker 16: I don't think many, if any people who voted at

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Speaker 16: want to see a policy that is based on the

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Speaker 16: Labor Party theory of economics.

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Speaker 17: Need a company with some Let's take.

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Speaker 16: It off them and it to someone else that might

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Speaker 16: support us. Which is all that said, It's not going

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Speaker 16: to solve the underlying and quite serious problems with media.

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Speaker 16: The issue is I don't think people want the product,

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Speaker 16: and if you start trying to subsidize by pulling down

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Speaker 16: other companies that are doing well, you're just delaying the

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Speaker 16: change that needs to happen that we need more journals

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Speaker 16: and we can actually trust.

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Speaker 15: Back tomorrow at six am, asking breakfast with januine news

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Speaker 15: Talk ZEDB Hither.

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Speaker 3: That story about Seymour last night was a very low

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Speaker 3: bar and news how Barry a spot on therehither regarding

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Speaker 3: the Seymour WhatsApp chat story of three hundred percent with

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Speaker 3: Barry's view, this is an example of telling New Zealand's stories.

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Speaker 3: And I can't wait for Friday to roll around and

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Speaker 3: so on. I'll deal with it in the next half

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Speaker 3: hour as well, because actually I had I had thought

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Speaker 3: that I wanted to talk to you about it. By

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Speaker 3: the way, on Biden, can I just tell you what

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Speaker 3: the latest story from Biden is. Biden has now admitted

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Speaker 3: that he nearly fell asleep on stage during that debate. Now,

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Speaker 3: if you watched the debate at the very start, like

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Speaker 3: in the first well, I want to say, like fifteen

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Speaker 3: minutes or so, he looks down and we were laughing

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Speaker 3: like that man is falling asleep. And then I thought, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: we're being too harsh because he was looking down and

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Speaker 3: you know it looked like he was No he actually

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Speaker 3: we were right. He was falling asleep. He says it's

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Speaker 3: because he had jet lag because he'd been traveling before

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Speaker 3: the debate, and he said it wasn't very smart to

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Speaker 3: be traveling around the world. A couple of times before

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Speaker 3: the debate. I didn't listen to my staff and then

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Speaker 3: I nearly fell asleep on stage. But get this The

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Speaker 3: debate is on twenty seven June. His last trip ended

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Speaker 3: fifteen June, like two weeks beforehand, so that's some epic

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Speaker 3: jet lag that he was suffering. Hawksbury Regional Council.

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Speaker 1: Next, the only drive show you can trust to ask

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Speaker 1: the questions, get the answers, by the facts and give

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Speaker 1: the analysis. Heather due to Celum Drive with One New Zealand,

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talk as.

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Speaker 2: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. As we foreshadowed last night, the government has

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Speaker 3: announced today that it's launching a review into the flooding

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Speaker 3: and wire well last week. Locals reckon it's the hawks

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Speaker 3: Bay Regional Council's fault because they didn't clear the river

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Speaker 3: bar early enough, which meant that the water backed up

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Speaker 3: and flooded about two hundred homes. This was wird Lwa

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Speaker 3: Mayor Craig Little on the show last night.

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Speaker 18: I just think they don't listen. They're above listening to

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Speaker 18: the public.

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Speaker 3: What do you want? Do you want an apology?

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Speaker 18: Oh gosh, yes, but vast for apology with no apology.

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Speaker 18: It's just like saying, well, actually nothing's wrong here now.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Nick Pete is the chief executive of hawks Bay

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Speaker 3: Regional Council. Heinek hi he So are they right? The locals?

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Speaker 3: Did you leave the clearing of the bar too late?

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Speaker 7: I think that's going to be revealed with the government

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Speaker 7: inquiry that's underway and in our inquiries as well.

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Speaker 3: What does your gut tell you? Because I mean the storm,

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Speaker 3: what was it? The flooding happened on the twenty sixth,

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Speaker 3: that's a Wednesday, and the friday before. You obviously knew

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Speaker 3: that there was bad weather on its way because you

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Speaker 3: put the contractor on standby, but you didn't order him

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Speaker 3: to clear the bar until Monday. Do you think you

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Speaker 3: left it too late?

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Speaker 7: I think the guys that made the right calls with

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Speaker 7: the information in front of them. You need some really

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Speaker 7: specific conditions to open a bar, so you need a

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Speaker 7: really decent flow in the river to be able to

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Speaker 7: shift probably fifty thousand cubic meters of rock and shingles.

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Speaker 3: Was there not enough flow between Friday and Monday?

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Speaker 7: No, there wouldn't have been enough.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckons that he could have done it?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 3: Is he wrong?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Look, I don't know that. Want to dispute it with

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Speaker 7: the mayor, but.

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about the mayor I'm talking about the

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Speaker 3: contract to Hamish Pride, who's been working on that bar

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Speaker 3: for decades. He reckons you could have started him over

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Speaker 3: the weekend. It would give him enough time and it

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Speaker 3: would have worked. Is he wrong?

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Speaker 7: Look, I think it's really important that we look at

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Speaker 7: that and understand that. And if that's what the review reveals,

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Speaker 7: then fine. But at the stage we've made the best

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Speaker 7: decisions with.

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Speaker 3: Have you gone to the lads who pull the pin

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Speaker 3: on this stuff are the ones who say, yep, go

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Speaker 3: clear the bar. Have you gone and talked to them

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Speaker 3: about what the river flow was like at the weekend?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 3: And what did they say?

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Speaker 16: Yep?

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Speaker 7: So the river flow on the weekend was too low

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Speaker 7: for the bar to break through, like.

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Speaker 3: A line call or like really like massively too low.

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Speaker 3: Would never have.

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Speaker 7: Worked too low at the weekend, but by by Monday

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Speaker 7: it was becoming clear that the amount of rain was

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Speaker 7: likely to be high enough to shift the bar. We

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Speaker 7: keep a lookout over months for opportunities to get the

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Speaker 7: bar moved and shifted across from where it's more constrained

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Speaker 7: to where it's got the river beerate.

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Speaker 3: Why is it not cleared all of the time like

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Speaker 3: it used to be.

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Speaker 7: It's always been, as I understand, cleared as demanded. So

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Speaker 7: that kind of bar can shift I understand about a

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Speaker 7: meter and a half a day. So the river is

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Speaker 7: always wanting to go back to the location at the

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Speaker 7: far end of a lagoon, and we do work as

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Speaker 7: as is possible to shift it back to a place

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Speaker 7: where the river can et sit more easily.

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Speaker 3: If it finds if this review finds Nick that you

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Speaker 3: guys were to blame for this, even just in part,

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Speaker 3: what are you going to do?

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Speaker 7: Look, I think let's wait and see what the review says.

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Speaker 7: I think we've got a It's really important to understand

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Speaker 7: that there's a really complex interaction at a river mouth

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Speaker 7: between the sea, the water coming down the river, and

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Speaker 7: the potential for coastal.

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Speaker 3: I get that. But the reason I'll tell you why

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Speaker 3: I'm asking you this question because last time I talked

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Speaker 3: to you people on this show was after cyclone. Gabriel

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Speaker 3: and Mike Bush's report was pretty scathing of what you

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Speaker 3: guys did. In fact, you had people in your community

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Speaker 3: calling up and saying, hey, the weather looks really bad,

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Speaker 3: and they were told by you guys, you're overreacting. And

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Speaker 3: then what happened like Esk Valley was flooded and we

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Speaker 3: were plucking people off the rooftops, right. And what happened

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Speaker 3: after that when you were found to have failed is

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Speaker 3: literally nothing. Nothing happened. There was no massive mere culper.

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Speaker 3: You didn't go out and pay people compensation. And I'm

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Speaker 3: worried that if you'll found again to have dropped the ball,

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Speaker 3: nothing's going to happen.

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Speaker 7: Just in terms of cyclone Gabriel, the evacuations that are

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Speaker 7: not done by the regional.

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Speaker 3: Council, it's not by emergency management. But isn't that part

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Speaker 3: of you do? You guys not run that.

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Speaker 7: We provide the funding for it, but it's done on

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Speaker 7: behalf of all of the councils of Hawk's Bay, not

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Speaker 7: just the regional council.

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Speaker 2: Are its own fair enough.

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Speaker 3: But so emergency management. So in that situation, nothing happened.

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Speaker 3: You have a hand in that, you provide the funding.

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Speaker 3: Hnue Ormsby, who's part of your team was fronting that situation.

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Speaker 3: Nothing happened. And here we are again with Hawk's Bay

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Speaker 3: Regional Council involved in some way. What's going to happen

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Speaker 3: if this time you are found to be in fact responsible.

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Speaker 7: So look, if we've made significant mistakes in the process,

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Speaker 7: we'll absolutely take that on the chin and then look

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Speaker 7: at what we need to as a result.

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Speaker 3: You apologize. Craig Wan's an apology, would you give them

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Speaker 3: one if if you are found to be responsible, look to.

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Speaker 7: Say, let's see what the reviews say and you know

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Speaker 7: whether we agree or not with what Craig's saying at

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Speaker 7: the moment. I think it's really important and it's really

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Speaker 7: good practice after any event like this to review it.

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Speaker 7: You review your operational response, and you review why in

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Speaker 7: this case, why we all flooded. Until you've got that

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Speaker 7: information and you'd need to do it quickly. We all

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Speaker 7: sitting guests, so I think it's really critical that we

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Speaker 7: go through this process and as a result, really welcome

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Speaker 7: what the government's doing today.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, Nick, thank you very much, and thank you

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Speaker 3: for turning up and talking to us. It's doctor Nickpete,

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Speaker 3: the chief executive Hawks Bay Regional Council Heather.

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Speaker 2: Due to cla how the.

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Speaker 3: Government's confirmed they're bringing in tests for school kids from

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Speaker 3: the very first year that the kids are in class,

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Speaker 3: So new year one students are going to be tested

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Speaker 3: twice in their first years just to see how they're

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Speaker 3: going with the phonics, and then from year three to

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Speaker 3: the year eight they're going to be tested twice a

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Speaker 3: year for progress on reading, writing, and maths. Erica Stanford

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Speaker 3: is the Education Minister.

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Speaker 6: Hey Erica, good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm well, thank you. Are teachers on board with this,

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Speaker 3: but we were.

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Speaker 6: Really cautious and careful in our approach with us that

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Speaker 6: we want parents to have really good information about how

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Speaker 6: their children are progressing through school, but we also wanted

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Speaker 6: to make sure that we weren't putting more burden on teachers.

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Speaker 6: We've chosen tools that teachers already know, already use, and

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Speaker 6: we're going to be investing a lot of PLD to

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Speaker 6: make sure that all of the upskilling that we may

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Speaker 6: need to do in the center that we do over

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Speaker 6: the next year.

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Speaker 3: Is it fair to say that, given that ninety percent

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Speaker 3: of schools are doing this in some way already, there's

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Speaker 3: a level of acceptance from teachers and educators that it

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Speaker 3: needs to happen.

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Speaker 6: Well, Look, I absolutely think there is a level of acceptance.

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Speaker 6: Most schools are doing assessments and using tools, and they're

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Speaker 6: doing it in a really good way. But GERO have

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Speaker 6: been saying for a long time that there is no consistency,

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Speaker 6: we don't use consistent tools, and that while some schools

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Speaker 6: are using assessment data to inform practice really well, there

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Speaker 6: are many other schools who are doing it sort of averagely,

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Speaker 6: and then a number of schools who aren't doing it

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Speaker 6: very well. And so we just want to make sure

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Speaker 6: it's consistent across the country, and we'll put in resource

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Speaker 6: where it's needed to upscoo those teachers in schools to

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Speaker 6: make sure that they are using assessment data effectively.

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Speaker 3: What happens if the kids are falling about behind, if

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Speaker 3: the tests show that they need a little bit of help.

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Speaker 6: This is the whole purpose of assessment, because, as you know,

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Speaker 6: assessment on its own is going to do nothing. The

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Speaker 6: whole purpose of assessment is to make sure that early on,

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Speaker 6: as early as you can in year one, which is

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Speaker 6: why we're doing the phonics check. In year one, you

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Speaker 6: can tab those students who are not progressing as expected

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Speaker 6: and put that early intervention in place, which is what

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Speaker 6: we're doing with structured literacy in terms of our small

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Speaker 6: groups and one on one interventions. So these phonics checks,

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Speaker 6: for example, will trigger that early intervention. Currently we wait

877
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Speaker 6: till the kids are aged fifteen, forty percent of them

878
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Speaker 6: can't pass literacy or numeracy assessment, and then we go,

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Speaker 6: oh dear, we want to get to them in year

880
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Speaker 6: one and get them on the right track and say

881
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Speaker 6: to parents, this is how they're progressing. These are the

882
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Speaker 6: inventions we're putting in place. And because parents more knowledge

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Speaker 6: about how the children are progressing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff, lover, Erica, Thank you. Erica standfor the

885
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Speaker 3: education minister. Right, we're going to talk about those weird

886
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 3: scooters next sixteen past five. Hey, next time you're outside

887
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: and it's a crisp, clear evening, do me a favor

888
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 3: and look up and what you might see is a

889
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: sparkling line of lights that are moving across the sky. Now,

890
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: that is not a rocket ship. I mean you're smart

891
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 3: enough to know that, right. That's the revolutionary Starlink satellite

892
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: constellation from SpaceX. Now here's the cool thing one. New

893
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: Zealand is collaborating with SpaceX to make satellite to mobile

894
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 3: network coverage a reality for New Zealand. Today, about forty

895
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Speaker 3: percent of the country's land area is not covered by

896
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Speaker 3: any cell towers at all. Now, that's a lot of

897
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Speaker 3: places where people can be out of coverage and out

898
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Speaker 3: of reach. One New Zealand is about to change this

899
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Speaker 3: that pairing their comprehensive four G and five G mobile

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Speaker 3: network with Starlink satellite technology, which means they can open

901
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: up coverage to more of our beautiful country than ever before.

902
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: And that's obviously great news for everyone from adventurers to boaties,

903
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: from farmers all the way through to trucking businesses. They

904
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 3: will introduce a tech service later this year and then

905
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: they're going to have the basic data and voice coming

906
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 3: next year New Zealand and SpaceX coverage like never before

907
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 3: for New Zealanders. So let's get connected.

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00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 2: Heather duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen past five. A new kind of scooter E scooter

910
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Speaker 3: has hit the streets of Auckland today. This one is

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Speaker 3: a three wheeler as opposed to the two wheelers we've

912
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Speaker 3: got used to it and it can be remotely controlled,

913
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Speaker 3: which means that you can get it out of the way,

914
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Speaker 3: out of the middle of the footpath where someone's abandoned it.

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Speaker 3: The scooters are run by a company called Ario, and

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Speaker 3: Adam Musen is Ario's general manager.

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Speaker 19: Hey Adam got to Heather, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome. Things are coming in Now. Your scooters have

919
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Speaker 3: three wheels, kind of like a big version of the

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Speaker 3: Kid's safety scooters. Is that there to deal with drunk idiots?

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Speaker 19: No, it's not there to deal with drunk idiots, but yes,

922
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Speaker 19: it is there to help people who have any challenges

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Speaker 19: with balance or with standing up period.

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Speaker 20: Idiots though, isn't it make a least likely low I

925
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Speaker 20: can tell you I haven't had that as feedback, but

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Speaker 20: what I have had is a lot of feedback from

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Speaker 20: pedestrian and disability advocacy groups that are really impressed with

928
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Speaker 20: how these adjustments are going to improve safety and access

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Speaker 20: for everyone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean the safety and access. Safety obviously is

931
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Speaker 3: when you're on the thing and you gave me a

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Speaker 3: ride earlier and it is so much more stable than

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Speaker 3: general lime scooter or something like that. But the access

934
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Speaker 3: thing is about people just you know, parking them on

935
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Speaker 3: the footpath blocking the footpath. You can't get your pram passed.

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Speaker 3: You can actually log in remotely, can't you, and move

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Speaker 3: it away?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 19: Absolutely, And I think there's two layers to that versus

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Speaker 19: the traditional model. One is knowing that they're poorly parked

941
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Speaker 19: at the moment. Traditional scooter companies are hoping that the

942
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Speaker 19: rider will take a photo and if they take a photo,

943
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Speaker 19: that it's actually a usable image and not just something

944
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Speaker 19: that's blurry or zoomed in their shoes. And then if

945
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Speaker 19: if you have the image, okay, what are you doing

946
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Speaker 19: with it? And then lastly are you able to address it?

947
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Speaker 19: And if so, how long does it take you? With us,

948
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Speaker 19: we don't ask the rider to do that. The scooter

949
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Speaker 19: will take three to six degree image and depth information.

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Speaker 19: If it's not complet client or considerate parking, then we'll

951
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Speaker 19: get notified in our warehouse. We can remote in move

952
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Speaker 19: it a couple of meters so it's out of the way,

953
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Speaker 19: so we know more often and we're able to deal

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Speaker 19: with it really quickly. We're not dealing with competing priorities

955
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Speaker 19: and sending someone across the city in two or three days.

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Speaker 19: We're dealing with it in minutes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant. So you guys are only in Newland at

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Speaker 3: the moment. That's the permission you've been given in West

959
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Speaker 3: Auckland and the surrounding areas.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, so we're really excited that Auckland Council's.

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Speaker 3: If it's a hat you'll be able to go everywhere,

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Speaker 3: won't you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: So they've given us a license for what they call

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Speaker 19: Tier three of the outer city suburbs. We've started with

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Speaker 19: new Land specifically to support the transport hub there and

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Speaker 19: we're going to be expanding over the next couple of

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Speaker 19: weeks with the view in the midterm to look after

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Speaker 19: the whole city from November. So we're busily applying for

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Speaker 19: a license to manage the full city in Auckland and

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Speaker 19: christ Church right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff, best of luck with it. It's a

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Speaker 3: really great idea. That's Adamyerson, general manager of Ario, New

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Speaker 3: Zealand five twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Heather Dup to c Ellen, cutting through the noise to

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Speaker 1: get the facts. It's Heather dupericy Allen drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. Let's get connected news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Haha, Heather. Are they going to be able to remotely

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Speaker 3: remove those scooters when they're submerged in the sea around

980
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Speaker 3: the Auckland waterfront. Yes, there's a weird thing. Apparently people

981
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Speaker 3: pick up the e scooters and throw them in the

982
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Speaker 3: water all the time. I guess it's like sticking the

983
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Speaker 3: road cones at the top of a high high thing.

984
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Speaker 3: It makes absolutely no sense to a sober person. But

985
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Speaker 3: when you've had two or three sherbets great only five

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Speaker 3: to twenty five. Now on David Seymour, let's talk about it.

987
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 3: I think David Seymour has reason to be really upset

988
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: about that story that was on news Hub last night,

989
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Speaker 3: and actually, for that matter, the similar story that was

990
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Speaker 3: on Newsroom, dot co dot nz at a couple of

991
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: weeks ago. If you didn't catch either of these things,

992
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: the gist of the story is that back in twenty sixteen,

993
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: when politicians were still using Snapchat regularly, it was a

994
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Speaker 3: thing for school kids to message politicians and see if

995
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: they could get a response, and so some of the

996
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: message David and he responded. And now they're in their

997
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: twenties and they're complaining about it now. The important thing

998
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: to know is that they all stress that nothing untoward happened.

999
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 3: He did not say anything weird, he did not behave badly.

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Speaker 3: He only responded with innocuous things like no, I can't

1001
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Speaker 3: come to your party, but you guys, have a great

1002
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: night and be safe. But now that they are adults,

1003
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 3: they still feel uncomfortable about it because they don't think

1004
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: that an adult politician should be messaging kids. Now, let's

1005
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 3: let's just let's just get this straight. The kids who

1006
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: initiated the contact, who admit that he did nothing wrong,

1007
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: and now complaining because he messaged them back, which is

1008
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Speaker 3: why they messaged him in the first place. They now

1009
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: complaining that he responded to them. And these are kids

1010
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: who are apparently old enough to have been on Snapchat.

1011
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: Now this is nuts. I mean, this is not a story.

1012
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: And worse than that, let's be honest about it. It's

1013
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: worse than that because these stories are insinuating that David

1014
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 3: Seymour is a creep. No one's saying that out loud,

1015
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: but that is the dog whistle that is being sent

1016
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Speaker 3: in a news item about an older man messaging school

1017
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Speaker 3: age kid. Shame on them for that. I know that

1018
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 3: there was at least one other media outlet who got

1019
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: the same information, looked into it and made the responsible call,

1020
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Speaker 3: which is not to do the story because it is

1021
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 3: not a story. When media companies wonder why they're losing audience,

1022
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 3: they might want to think about stories like this because

1023
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: it's very hard to respect outlets and journalists who pedle

1024
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 3: this kind of a hit job without any evidence of wrongdoing,

1025
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 3: only insinuating, which the point of it only serves to

1026
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: insinuate creepiness when there is no evidence now short of

1027
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: some evidence emerging to show that, in fact, David Seymour

1028
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 3: is the creep that they are insinuating that he is.

1029
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: I think he has every right to be really really

1030
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 3: upset about those stories. Together do for Sea Well, welcomes

1031
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Speaker 3: away in on at nine two nine two, that's the

1032
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Speaker 3: text number. We're going to talk to the Hudd about it.

1033
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Speaker 3: This evening, got Matt Heath and Jack Tame standing by

1034
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Speaker 3: for that. Tim Grosser, former ambassador to the US, is

1035
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: going to be with us very shortly on Chris Luxon

1036
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 3: going over to the US for that NATO summit. I

1037
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: want to know whether he's going to meet Biden and

1038
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 3: with a Biden will stay awake. And also I want

1039
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Speaker 3: to know whether he's taking the Air Force I suspect

1040
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 3: he's not going to take the Air Force plane because

1041
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 3: there is absolutely no point in doing that. I mean,

1042
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 3: you can if you can jump on a commercial flight,

1043
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 3: you may as well. And they've got some American correspondence,

1044
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Speaker 3: so it's not like they need to slip the media

1045
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: over their media going to cry about it, sad face. Yeah, anyway,

1046
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 3: that's going to happen very shortly. News talks by.

1047
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: Stay, how aren't you?

1048
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: I need you?

1049
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 11: Oh God.

1050
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Speaker 2: Need It's beautiful. Hard questions, strong opinion.

1051
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Speaker 1: Heather duperic Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get

1052
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: connected and news talks. It'd be.

1053
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Speaker 3: When I'm standing by to have a chat to. It's

1054
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: very shortly that Heath and Jack's hey, get a loaded.

1055
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Speaker 3: This apparently AI is now being used to develop and

1056
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Speaker 3: discover new medicines. Deborah l Amby of Milford Asset Management,

1057
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: who's regularly on the premem, she's going to be with

1058
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Speaker 3: us later. She has just come back from a trip

1059
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Speaker 3: to the States to actually see how they're using AI.

1060
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: Like it's like a kind of like we use it

1061
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Speaker 3: for chat GPT, you and I normal people, but they

1062
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 3: use it for like medicine GPT. Anyway, so she fascinating stuff.

1063
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Speaker 3: She's going to talk us through it when she's with us.

1064
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Speaker 3: At six twenty five, hither I had Jasina Aardun and

1065
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Speaker 3: my salon When she was the labor representative for Auckland Central.

1066
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Speaker 3: Another client asked if she would reply to her twelve

1067
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Speaker 3: year old son's questions, three of them to be exact,

1068
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Speaker 3: which she did graciously. Was that also grooming or just

1069
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: a politician responding to a young inquiring mind? Can we

1070
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Speaker 3: stop this nonsense? Please? Hi here that Jacinda Ardun used

1071
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Speaker 3: to reply to kids on Facebook. She messaged my eleven

1072
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Speaker 3: year old daughter back, Ben, thank you. But the difference is,

1073
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Speaker 3: of course, ladies are not creeps. Men are. That's the trope.

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Speaker 3: Twenty three away from.

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Speaker 2: Six Together, Duplessy Allen Prime.

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Speaker 3: Minister Chris Luxen is headed to the US next week

1077
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Speaker 3: to attend the NATO Summit in Washington, where he's going

1078
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Speaker 3: to meet with members of the US Administration and Congress,

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Speaker 3: and then he's also going to head over to San

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Speaker 3: fran to promote business and investment. Tim Grosser is the

1081
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Speaker 3: former New Zealand Ambassador to the US and is with

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Speaker 3: US now. Hate Tim, good evening. Do you reckon he's

1083
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Speaker 3: going to get to meet Biden.

1084
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure he will shake his hand, but I

1085
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Speaker 4: don't believe for a minute there will be enough time

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Speaker 4: for President Biden to have a separate bilateral given the

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Speaker 4: number of leaders that will be there from NATO countries

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Speaker 4: vastly more important than US, But I still think it's

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Speaker 4: a terrific thing that he's going there, and I can't

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Speaker 4: think of a more tense or important time. So I mean,

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Speaker 4: let me give you my overall perspective. I mean, the

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Speaker 4: rest of the visit is all I mean. I would

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Speaker 4: use the term boilerplate, but that's some negative. I don't

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Speaker 4: really mean that. The key issue is what is going

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Speaker 4: to be able to perceive amongst the other leaders of NATO,

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Speaker 4: given the confluence of the huge strategic threat from the

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Speaker 4: Ukrainian situation and the resurgence of Donald Trump's chances winning

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Speaker 4: the presidency. If you give me two or three minutes,

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Speaker 4: I'll elaborate on those things. So we start with I'll

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Speaker 4: try and keep this basic. You know, the NATO existed

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Speaker 4: after the War to protect European security. It's been a

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Speaker 4: fantastic political success. It was aimed at the then Soviet

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Speaker 4: Union and then that became Russia. And the core commitment

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Speaker 4: technically is called Article five. What it means is you

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Speaker 4: formerly the Soviet Union or Russia attack any of our

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Speaker 4: members and it's an in tank on all of US,

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Speaker 4: and US includes most importantly, the United States, doesn't include

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Speaker 4: New Zealand.

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Speaker 20: By the way.

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Speaker 4: So this kept the peace in this ghastly Faustian bargain,

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Speaker 4: you know, attack US and face nuclear armageddon for seventy

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Speaker 4: five years. And then Putin decided to invade first prime

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Speaker 4: year in twenty fourteen. I was stuck in Moscow at

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Speaker 4: the time, the exact time that's happened, but that's another story.

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Speaker 4: And then in twenty two, twenty two, his tanks and

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Speaker 4: his troops invade Western Ukraine, the most serious threat to

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Speaker 4: European security for seventy five years. Now Ukraine is not

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Speaker 4: a native member. They'd love to be, they never will be.

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Speaker 4: And the reality is that the fantasy of you know,

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Speaker 4: Boris Johnson, lez Trust and co. Of total defeat of

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Speaker 4: Russia now two plus years on, is now clear to everyone,

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Speaker 4: even if nobody's worked out a way to say it

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Speaker 4: in public. And that's the underlying issue. And then along

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Speaker 4: comes Donald Trump's resurgence last week. So go back to

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Speaker 4: I think twenty sixteen, just after I was appointed ambasador

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Speaker 4: in Washington, Trump made a statement that basically said Russia

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Speaker 4: has no longer a threat, and then he went a

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Speaker 4: step further. I think in either twenty seventeen or twenty

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Speaker 4: eighteen by actually questioning whether the United State dates would

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Speaker 4: validate Article five, the mutual deterrance central component of NATO.

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Speaker 4: And I went to this. So he went there, and

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Speaker 4: there was shock and horror throughout Europe when he basically

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Speaker 4: left it ambiguous. And I went to a catch up job,

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Speaker 4: a massive, elegant black tie dinner for about six hundred people,

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Speaker 4: and all the Western ambassadors, including me, were invited at

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Speaker 4: an elegant hotel in Washington, and you know, all the

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Speaker 4: great and the good Stoltenberg, the then Secretary General of

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Speaker 4: NATO and all came up to say, the support of

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Speaker 4: the United States for Article five and for the defense

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Speaker 4: of Europe is unquestionable. And Mike Pence, who's then still

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Speaker 4: the Vice president and on Donald Trump's stide, got up

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Speaker 4: and said the same thing, and there was dead silence

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Speaker 4: because everybody is thinking what I'm thinking. It doesn't matter,

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Speaker 4: mister Vice president, what you think if your boss has

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Speaker 4: just said this that can't be repaired by a gloss

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Speaker 4: over show like this, blank tied dinner.

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Speaker 3: And so is this the threat of Trump winning a gain?

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Speaker 3: Is that we go back into this particular the possibility that.

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Speaker 4: That's my point exactly my point either. And I think

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Speaker 4: that our Prime minister, I mean, you can receive as

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Speaker 4: many briefings as he likes from foreign policy experts people,

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Speaker 4: you know, like I was in the past, but he

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Speaker 4: really has to go and hear it amongst the leaders

1154
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Speaker 4: have to make real decisions. And I mean, I don't

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Speaker 4: know what your take on the debate is. While there's

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Speaker 4: a massive cover up. That's what is very clear to

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Speaker 4: me from a series of brilliant analyses that I've read

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Speaker 4: in the last forty eight hours and a few conversations

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Speaker 4: I've had with friends in the United States still deeply

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Speaker 4: inside the political process, this has got to be played out,

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Speaker 4: and the chances of a second Trump presidency have increased

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Speaker 4: by some factor. Nobody can say quite what please that you.

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Speaker 3: Say that, because that's quite obvious to ever. I please

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Speaker 3: somebody with your expertise and your years and politics sees

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Speaker 3: it as well.

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Speaker 2: Tim.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate it. Tim Gross, a former New

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Speaker 3: Zealand ambassadors to the US, just on what Tim was

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Speaker 3: just saying about Ukraine not joining NATO next week when

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Speaker 3: NATO meets. According to the Telegraph, Ukraine is going to

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Speaker 3: be told it is too corrupt to join NATO, and

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Speaker 3: it's so it's not going to be able to seventeen

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Speaker 3: away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, unparalleled reach

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Speaker 3: On the Huddle of You this evening, we've got Matt

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Speaker 3: Heath of Hodaki and Jack Tame of Saturday Mornings in

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Speaker 3: Q and a hello are you too?

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Speaker 11: How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm very well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, ok, Matt so on the David seymour yarn

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Speaker 3: about him messaging the kids. What do you think?

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Speaker 15: I think we need to stop treating men like they're

1184
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Speaker 15: all creeps. It's the sort of sexualization of everything. Sometimes

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Speaker 15: a man that's an adult can talk to a child

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Speaker 15: and it has absolutely nothing to do with anything sexual

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Speaker 15: or creepy. Otherwise, what kind of world are we saying

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Speaker 15: where adults don't ever talk to children, We'll.

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Speaker 3: Just adult men.

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Speaker 11: Well, yeah, adult men never talk to children.

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Speaker 15: And not so long ago would have been seeing quite

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Speaker 15: wholesome and that a politician was taking the time out

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Speaker 15: of their life to talk to a young person. That's reach,

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Speaker 15: you know, like back in the day, if a politician

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Speaker 15: had written back in fact, I wrote a letter to

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Speaker 15: a politician when I was a kid and got the

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Speaker 15: letter back and I was really stoked. There was nothing

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Speaker 15: creepy about it at all. And so I think people

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Speaker 15: that are saying this is totally partisan, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I think so, Jack. I think it's irresponsible to even

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Speaker 3: run a young like this where there's no evidence of

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Speaker 3: any wrongdoing, but you're just hunting the guys a creep.

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Speaker 7: Well, that's the thing.

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Speaker 17: It's like, what's the story.

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Speaker 4: The second sentence in all of these stories is there's

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Speaker 4: no suggestion that anything was inappropriate. It's like, oh great,

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Speaker 4: it's my story. That's it. As far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 4: I when I first saw this, I felt just deeply

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Speaker 4: uncomfortable about the reporting because it's the insinuation. It's the

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Speaker 4: inuation that something inappropriate has happened, whilst at the same

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Speaker 4: time saying, well, but nothing inappropriate has happened. I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you what would have made it different, I think, and

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Speaker 4: that's if a politician in David Seymour's position had instituted

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Speaker 4: the conversation, like if he had reached out to a

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Speaker 4: young person their social media, not the other way around.

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Speaker 4: By all of these from all of the reportings, just

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Speaker 4: that these young people have reached out to David Seymour

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Speaker 4: and that he has responded by seeing them an entirely

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Speaker 4: appropriate message back. So I just, yeah, I think the

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Speaker 4: reporting is absolutely bordering on being irresponsible personally, because because

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Speaker 4: you know, nothing inappropriate has been suggested. And if we

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Speaker 4: get to a point where really no politician can respond

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Speaker 4: to anyone under voting age, I think that's the pretty

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Speaker 4: sad situation for our democracy.

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Speaker 15: Most of us men are actually pretty good people. We're

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Speaker 15: actually across the board.

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Speaker 4: Of increase civics education. Are we trying to increase political

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Speaker 4: mouse and young people are trying to sage young people

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Speaker 4: more in the political process, right, so in the same breath,

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Speaker 4: we're getting them not to talk to politicians. It's funny.

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Speaker 4: I think about my own interest in politics, and I

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Speaker 4: can plot it right back. I can still you all

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Speaker 4: remember getting visited by David Carter, by Rod Donald, by

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Speaker 4: Ruth Dyson when I was in school, when I was

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Speaker 4: like eight or nine years old. I can remember they

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Speaker 4: were MP's in our area and they came and spoke

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Speaker 4: to us in school and it sparked in me an

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Speaker 4: interesting politics. And I just think we're really at risk

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Speaker 4: of policing something for which there's absolutely no subjection whatsoever

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Speaker 4: that anything in appropriate has happened.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Well, David Seymour came to my son's intermediate school

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Speaker 15: and had quite a good discussion. My son came home

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Speaker 15: to school and he talked to their class and he

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Speaker 15: had quite a back and forth with David.

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Speaker 3: Seymow And to snapchat message, I didn't go, oh.

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Speaker 11: What was he talking to you about? Freakat? It was

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Speaker 11: like a politician talking to a kid, and I thought.

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Speaker 3: Buddy, great, yeah, absolutely what access. Hey, listen, we'll take

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Speaker 3: a break, we'll come back and just to take us

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Speaker 3: fourteen away from.

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Speaker 11: You're back with the Huddle.

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Speaker 3: Matt Heath and Jack Tame Jack, what do you think

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Speaker 3: about these standardized tests for primary primary school age kids?

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Speaker 3: You into it?

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Speaker 12: Do you know?

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Speaker 4: I actually have no problem with it, and I don't

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Speaker 4: really understand that the arguments against it other than teachers

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Speaker 4: are stretch. And I'm not denying for a moment then

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Speaker 4: that teachers aren't stretched at the moment, but you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, from what I can understand it Basically, the

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Speaker 4: standardized tests are designed so that parents have a good

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Speaker 4: understanding of how their child is progressing. That's how they're

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Speaker 4: intended to be introduced.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: The Education Minister herself has said that there were some

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Speaker 4: issues with national standards when they were in place, But

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Speaker 4: from what I can see, I don't think these are

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Speaker 4: going to be so stressful or so onerous that they're

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Speaker 4: going to have massively negative consequences. But of course, the

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Speaker 4: proof of the puttings in the eating it all depends

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Speaker 4: on how teachers actually rolled out this testing, and you

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Speaker 4: can you can imagine how in some classroom environments it

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Speaker 4: might be a bit more stressful for some kids. And

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Speaker 4: I suppose that's where we're relying on the talents of

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Speaker 4: teachers to try and make the stress out of it

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Speaker 4: and just give parents an understanding of where their kid is.

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Speaker 3: At that did your kids have them?

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Speaker 11: What did you?

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Speaker 3: What did your kids have the test?

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Speaker 16: Don't?

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Speaker 7: Did you have the match?

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Speaker 2: Were?

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Speaker 3: You're not even interested?

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Speaker 2: You?

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Speaker 3: I didn't have the mess.

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Speaker 15: What I remember from my kids being at primary schools

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Speaker 15: a while ago now, so I can't remember there's seventeen

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Speaker 15: and fourteen.

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Speaker 3: It's not that long ago.

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Speaker 11: It's long ago. For me, I can't remember, but I

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Speaker 11: do remember.

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Speaker 15: And you talk about teachers and their time was I used

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Speaker 15: to be the one that picked the kids up from school,

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Speaker 15: so I've been waiting in the front of the class.

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Speaker 11: And there's a certain type of parent.

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Speaker 15: That goes into the class at the end of school

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Speaker 15: absolutely punishes the teacher for information on how their kids going.

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Speaker 15: Is that you no, on the on the I was

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Speaker 15: the dad's just looking for shoes and make sure that

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Speaker 15: all the socks and shoes got.

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Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by this. You're not into it. You're not

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Speaker 3: interested in whether they're learning all the stuff.

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Speaker 11: No, what I'm saying is this actually the teachers.

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Speaker 15: If the teachers can go look, we've got a quantified

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Speaker 15: information on how your kids are going without really concerned

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Speaker 15: parents really really has.

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Speaker 3: Something after class, you know, absolutely.

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Speaker 15: But also you know, the sooner we can identify problems

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Speaker 15: with kids, the better. There's no point in trying to

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Speaker 15: work it out when they're fourteen or fifteen and the

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Speaker 15: horses bolted. I mean that multidisciplinary study out of Dunedin

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Speaker 15: was even saying we need to find it out in

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Speaker 15: the first three years, in.

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Speaker 11: The first you know, before school.

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Speaker 15: So the sooner you find out that a kid has

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Speaker 15: a problem and you can identify that and help them,

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Speaker 15: then then the better.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jack, what about Biden's jet lag excuse?

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Speaker 17: Oh, it's just hopeless.

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Speaker 4: It's just absolutely hopeless. I mean, it's just honestly, they're

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Speaker 4: just gaslighting people. But he doesn't have a problem. I mean,

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Speaker 4: is it's actually insulting to support it to everyone who

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Speaker 4: wants that, because you're expecting people to somehow not believe

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Speaker 4: what they saw unfold in the most calamous style over

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Speaker 4: ninety minutes. I think it's insulting. And here's the thing

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Speaker 4: I'm not denying for a moment that Biden hasn't had

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Speaker 4: a tough schedule. He's been back and forth over the Atlantic,

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Speaker 4: He's had all sorts of things to try and juggle.

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Speaker 4: That's what being president is like. Yeah, I'm sorry. If

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Speaker 4: you can't keep up with the schedule right now, then

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Speaker 4: why are we to expect that you can continue to

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Speaker 4: do this for the next four and a half?

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Speaker 15: Tears right is right a Jack's rights light, it is,

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Speaker 15: and it's been happening for the longest time. You know,

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Speaker 15: American press, the MSNBC, CNN was saying it was a

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Speaker 15: hoax that this was going on, and people cutting the

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Speaker 15: footage together of him to make him look, you.

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Speaker 11: Know, discombobulated and stuff previously had ninety minutes there was

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Speaker 11: with no edit.

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Speaker 3: It was him, and it was Heim and Obama just

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Speaker 3: stopping for applause, not him freezing on stage.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, and then I mean, I didn't hear a word

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Speaker 15: Trump said because I was just con totally transfixed with

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Speaker 15: the screen that Biden was in his facial expression. So,

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Speaker 15: I mean it's bolted now, and I'm not sure what

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Speaker 15: they can do about that. I mean right now the longer,

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Speaker 15: and I don't know if they can get rid of them.

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Speaker 15: It's incredibly complex. Kimilla is a problem. Karmela is a problem.

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Speaker 15: But boy, oh boy, it's it's you couldn't have set

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Speaker 15: up a bigger freaking disaster.

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Speaker 3: What times to live in a How good we're town

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Speaker 3: our grandkids about this stuff, aren't we?

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Speaker 11: It's concerning.

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Speaker 3: It's brilliant. Hey, thank you very much appreciated from the

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Speaker 3: pair of you, Jack Tamer, Matt Heath. How huddle this

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Speaker 3: evening seven away from six on your.

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Speaker 1: Smart speaker, on the iHeart and in your car on

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Speaker 1: your drive home. Heather Duplicy Alan Drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News talk as that be.

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Speaker 3: Here their own g Since we removed all the stress

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Speaker 3: from our little darling's lives and stop them learning how

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Speaker 3: to win and lose, they've become unable to cope with

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Speaker 3: adult life. This is very true, right, since you started

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Speaker 3: helicoptering them and being like, no, dann darling, don't come

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Speaker 3: down to the slidew Facts' not darling, you might fall

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Speaker 3: on a little plastic mat. Oh No, since you started

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Speaker 3: doing that, they're not coping with life. You've got to

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Speaker 3: let them do the things that you did. Fall learn

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Speaker 3: fail do all the stuff we do them ato service,

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Speaker 3: expecting so little from the That's right. So here the

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Speaker 3: why do the bloody left not want kids tested? Is

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Speaker 3: it some warped ideology? Paul? Actually I can answer that

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Speaker 3: question for you, because remember I talked about this a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks back on the show, or maybe a

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Speaker 3: little bit more so. I was fascinated by this, so

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Speaker 3: I went to have a look. Why is it that

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Speaker 3: the unions in New Zealand oppose it? Well, it's because

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Speaker 3: the unions around the world teaching unions oppose testing, which

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Speaker 3: is why labor opposes it, because they need the money

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Speaker 3: from the unions. And the reason that the unions oppose

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Speaker 3: it is because once you start doing the testing, you're

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Speaker 3: going to find out quick smart who's a good teacher

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Speaker 3: and who's not a good teacher. And the teachers are

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Speaker 3: terrified of that because what that means is it starts

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Speaker 3: to break up the idea that all teachers are the same,

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Speaker 3: and you got to pay them all the same, and

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Speaker 3: they got to all be under the collective agreement from

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Speaker 3: the union. And the minute you start to think, oh,

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Speaker 3: maybe we should teach, we should pay the good teachers

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Speaker 3: a little bit more, suddenly the unions lose the members

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Speaker 3: and start becoming less relevant. This is about unions preserving

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Speaker 3: their own place right. They don't want you to see

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Speaker 3: how well the kids are doing and how good the

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Speaker 3: teachers are versus the ones who are crappy. Anyway, we're

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Speaker 3: going to talk to Chris Bishop next because the government's

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Speaker 3: just announced the replacement board for kying or order. You'll

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Speaker 3: remember five of them quit earlier in the week. Got

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Speaker 3: the five names. I'm going to run you through it shortly.

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Speaker 3: Also set out a new letter of expectations. The top

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Speaker 3: priority is financial sustainabilities, so Chris Bishop will run us

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Speaker 3: through the details. Did you know did you realize that

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Speaker 3: the reason that tennis balls are yellow is partly because

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Speaker 3: of days David Attenborough. They used to be either black

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Speaker 3: or white and when the TV went to color back

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Speaker 3: in the late sixties. He was working for the BBC

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Speaker 3: at the time and they were trying to figure out

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Speaker 3: how to make the viewing experience better and he was

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Speaker 3: one of the people who came up with the idea

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Speaker 3: of using a yellow tennis balls tennis ball, and then

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Speaker 3: by nineteen seventy two they were introduced into the rules

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Speaker 3: of Tennis by the International Tennis Federation because they were

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Speaker 3: more visible to viewers. Wimbledon kept using the white bulls

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Speaker 3: because of course Wimbledon, because Darling, It's tradition, all the

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Speaker 3: way through to nineteen eighty five, but the white bull

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Speaker 3: was getting stained by the greenrow grass and impossible to

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Speaker 3: see on the TV, so eventually they finally gave in

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty six the yellow bull And that's all we know,

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Speaker 3: isn't it brilliant? How good David Attenborough News talks 'bud, you've.

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Speaker 2: Been track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: With the business hour, we'd hand the duplicy Allen and

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Speaker 1: my Hr on newstalks FB.

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Speaker 3: Evening. How was AI helping to develop medicine? Well, that's fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Deborah Lamba of Milfabaset Management on that very shortly genative

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Speaker 3: straineye on why Nikola Willis is not so on independent

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Speaker 3: checks on government spending and how much can your boss

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Speaker 3: see of what you do on your phone? We're going

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Speaker 3: to try to answer that question before this hour is

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Speaker 3: out right now at seven past six. Now, the crackdown

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Speaker 3: on coying your order continues. After the resignation of the

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Speaker 3: five board members and the chief executive this week, five

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Speaker 3: new appointments have been announced today along with the new

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Speaker 3: letter of expectations in which financial stability is to be

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Speaker 3: the top priority of the board. Remember last year Coyinger

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Speaker 3: Order ran a five hundred and twenty million dollar operating loss.

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Speaker 3: Chris Bishop is the Housing Minister, high Bish, good day.

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Speaker 3: Are you expecting these guys to get back into surplus?

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Speaker 16: Are you?

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Speaker 18: I'm expecting them to eliminate losses ki Or has been

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Speaker 18: running multimillion dollar deficits and those were forecast when we

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Speaker 18: came into government to get worse, and so we are

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Speaker 18: expecting them to eliminate losses. Financial sustainability of the organization

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Speaker 18: is extremely important. This is a forty five billion dollar

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Speaker 18: Crown company at houses said, well, it's got owned about

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Speaker 18: seventy thousand houses around the country. Very important that it

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Speaker 18: operates effectively and efficiently, and so that's our real focus

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Speaker 18: and that's why we've refreshed them in.

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Speaker 3: Order to do that. Do they need to potentially raise rents?

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Speaker 18: Well, it's a conversated financial picture in the sense that

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Speaker 18: they get operating funding for their rents from the Crown

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Speaker 18: through a thing called income related rents. So yeah, your

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01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 18: average coin or or a tenant pays twenty five percent

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Speaker 18: of their income and rent and then the Crown tops

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Speaker 18: up the rest. So it's very extensive for the government,

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Speaker 18: but of course we do that because there are a

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Speaker 18: whole lot of people out there who can't afford the

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Speaker 18: private rental market and they need access to good quality housing.

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Speaker 18: That's why we own kin Or, and so that's why

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Speaker 18: it's really important it operates effectively and efficiently because it

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Speaker 18: houses a lot of very vulnerable people and we need

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Speaker 18: it to be operating in a financially sustainable way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. But I mean, given as you point out that

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Speaker 3: they are designed to basically give people a really really

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Speaker 3: good deal on rent, how are they going to get

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Speaker 3: back into surplus? I mean, it's not like that. They're

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Speaker 3: not a profit making organization. So what would they do.

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Speaker 18: Well, they can reduce their overheads and they can cut

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Speaker 18: the costs, and that's what the independent review suggested they

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Speaker 18: should do. And their build program is also something where

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Speaker 18: I would like to see them make real efficiencies and

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Speaker 18: savings as well. I mean, I would be contacted by

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Speaker 18: builders who build for kind or or probably on a

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Speaker 18: weekly basis, around and around some of the extra costs

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Speaker 18: that kind of or imposers that the private sector will

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Speaker 18: just never impose, for example, And so we will be

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Speaker 18: asking the board to cut costs and work efficiently and effectively.

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Speaker 3: So are they are they going to be able to

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Speaker 3: build any more houses? They allowed to build anything?

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Speaker 18: Yes, They've got a big build program underway right now.

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Speaker 18: They'll build around four eight hundred homes over the next

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Speaker 18: year or so and a little bit beyond that as well.

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Speaker 18: So they have a big bill program and they also

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Speaker 18: have a retrofit program. They've got a very aged stock

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Speaker 18: of houses lot built in the nineteen fifties and sixties,

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Speaker 18: kind of coming to the end of their life. They've

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Speaker 18: got big challenges to of their stock, so got retrofit

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Speaker 18: and maintenance program underway as well. So fundamentally they are

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Speaker 18: a very large company and a very large landlord. We

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Speaker 18: want them to focus on being a good landlord, look

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Speaker 18: after your tenants, and we want them to focus on

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Speaker 18: growing their stock and doing so in a financially sustainable

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Speaker 18: and efficient way as cheaply as possible, housing people in need.

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Speaker 3: Are they allowed to grow this stock because my reading

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Speaker 3: of the leader says no net new growth in KO

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Speaker 3: social housing places from GUS.

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Speaker 18: That's the situation at the moment, while we demand a

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Speaker 18: turnaround plan from the board to cut their costs. So

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Speaker 18: we have not given them any extra funding beyond the

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Speaker 18: thirties of during twenty twenty five, so that what they're

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Speaker 18: building at the moment is what's already been funded. We

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Speaker 18: are not giving them giving KLIM or any new funding

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Speaker 18: for extra places beyond cities of June twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 18: We funded the community housing sector instead, so groups like

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Speaker 18: a Merge and The Salvation Army and are some of

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Speaker 18: these other community groups. They will be building social housing.

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Speaker 18: So there's still a pipeline there, and kine Or has

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Speaker 18: still got to build pipeline themselves. But we want to

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Speaker 18: get the new board in place, a new chair with

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Speaker 18: Simon Moves, a refresh board of extremely experienced people. We've

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Speaker 18: demanded a turnaround plan from them, which will come to

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Speaker 18: ministers towards the end of the year. Once we've considered

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01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 18: that turnaround plan, we will then consider future funding for

1514
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 18: future building. But it's very important that kind of or

1515
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 18: exists in newsy One. They provide a very important social

1516
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 18: and social service and a very important safety net.

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01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 4: For many people.

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01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 3: Tell me something, Okay, So Andrew McKenzie was obviously Simon

1519
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 3: Moota didn't deny the fact that he basically told Andrew

1520
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 3: McKenzie to quit. Did you guys not have any confidence

1521
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 3: that Andrew McKenzie could actually do these things or was

1522
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 3: it that he was just too tainted from all the

1523
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 3: other stuff he had already stuffed up?

1524
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 18: Look, it's not a question for me. My relationship is

1525
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 18: with the board and particularly the chair of Kinda or

1526
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 18: employment matters around the actual staff at kinl are matters

1527
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 18: for the board.

1528
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 3: But fair enough, I suppose Chris Bishop, thank you very

1529
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 3: much for the time. Always appreciated Chris Bishop of the

1530
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 3: Housing Minister.

1531
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 10: Okay.

1532
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 3: So the five people who've been appointed to the board.

1533
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 3: Arihir Bennett, who is the CEO of Teru Nanga Ungai

1534
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 3: Tahu or has been for almost twelve years until I

1535
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 3: think it might have been March or thereabouts this year.

1536
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:21,879
Speaker 3: Jen Bestwick has been the Chair of the Tertiary Education Commission.

1537
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 3: Also a government appointed board member at Antarctica, New Zealand,

1538
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 3: Utter christ Church Politech, Polytechnic Southern Response Earthquake services to

1539
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 3: Tourism in New Zealand and so on. Heaps of board experience.

1540
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 3: Alan Dent who was a partner for twenty six at

1541
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 3: Deloitte in zed Peter Jeffries who was the manager at

1542
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 3: the Community Refuge Trust a Housing a community housing provider

1543
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 3: in Auckland. I think it's kin Win McNeil. I think

1544
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 3: is the pronunciation of Kinewin's name. Panel member of the

1545
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 3: Panel for the Independent Review of Kying Orders. So did

1546
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 3: it alongside one of the three people who did it.

1547
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 3: It was Bill English and Kinwin McNeil and somebody else.

1548
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 3: As well who did it. And then Fiona Mules who

1549
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 3: was on the Kayinger Order Board from January twenty three

1550
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 3: to February twenty twenty four when she resigned to prevent

1551
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 3: any perceived or potential conflicts of interest with any other

1552
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 3: advisory work back on it. Now also a director of

1553
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 3: Rural Livestock in z also previously a director of the

1554
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 3: Reserve Bank of New Zealand and Kiwi Rail, So lots

1555
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 3: and lots of board experience, so you know, you'd have

1556
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 3: to say you'd have a reasonable amount of confidence that

1557
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 3: these people understand governance. And then there's a little bit

1558
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 3: of community housing perspective on there as well, which is

1559
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 3: pretty handy. I would have thought, listen, just how things

1560
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 3: how tough things are in you know, the economy at

1561
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 3: the moment, and I'm still hopeful. I just want to

1562
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 3: remind you, I'm still hopeful. We're going to get a

1563
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 3: cut this year, so things are gonna it's going to

1564
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 3: be it's darkest before dawn. But when we get that cut,

1565
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,759
Speaker 3: it's just going to be full tilt on the spending

1566
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 3: because people are going to suddenly see we're in the

1567
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 3: right direction. But on how tough it is at the moment.

1568
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 3: This is how tough it is to sell cars right now.

1569
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 3: It's the worst June for selling new cars in more

1570
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 3: than ten years, down sixty percent. That's massive on last year.

1571
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 3: But to be fair, last June was a record because

1572
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 3: of the clean levies and stuff were coming in. These

1573
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 3: are the cars, These are the top cars in the country.

1574
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 3: Number one Ford Ranger that's right ute. Number two Toyota

1575
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 3: High Lux that's right ute. Then you got the Toyota

1576
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 3: Rav four. Then you've got the Mitzi Triton, another yute,

1577
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 3: Mitsubishi Outland and Mitsubishi Asx, Suzuki Swift, Kia Seltos, Hyundai Kona,

1578
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 3: Hyundai two.

1579
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 6: So on.

1580
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 3: The reason I'm telling you every time it's a ute

1581
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 3: is because justin To tried so hard to get us

1582
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 3: to stop using the utes, didn't she. But we love

1583
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 3: the ute, And as I've said before, my next car

1584
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 3: is going to be a ute. And that's not even

1585
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 3: being spiteful, like it's just handy with children, isn't it.

1586
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 3: Chuck all the bikes in the back, chuckle, the wet

1587
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 3: stuff in the back, no problem, and then everybody that's

1588
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 3: clean in the front, the dirty ones at the back

1589
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 3: obviously quarter past crunching.

1590
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: The numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic Ellen

1591
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the HR

1592
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: platform for SME on us talksb.

1593
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 3: Hey, I've got to get you across why we're going

1594
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 3: to talk about what your boss can see on your phone?

1595
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 3: Because I'm fascinated by this. My boss told me one

1596
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 3: time what he can see on our phones, and I've

1597
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 3: passed it on to every single staff member. But anyway,

1598
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 3: I'll tell you about that in a minute. I'll tell

1599
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 3: it in a minute. Eighteen past six. Now the government

1600
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 3: is being told it needs an independent unit to make

1601
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,679
Speaker 3: sure government spending is sustainable and to check cherry treasury

1602
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 3: forecasts and so on. Vast majority of OECD countries do

1603
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 3: have this kind of institution, but the Finance Minister isn't

1604
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 3: so key. The Herald's Wellington Business editor, Jenetive trainees with us,

1605
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 3: Hey you name hey hev. Why doesn't she like the idea?

1606
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 4: Well?

1607
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 21: Nikola Willis reckons that the Treasury does a good job,

1608
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 21: and also that the oversight provided by the Order to

1609
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 21: General is good enough, although it could be beefed.

1610
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 10: Up a little bit.

1611
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 21: Niicola Willis is open to establishing a new unit that

1612
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 21: checks political parties' policy costings. You know, this is something

1613
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 21: that we've talked about quite a bit because you know,

1614
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 21: every election, parties come along and we end up getting

1615
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 21: all tied up and whether their promises stack up in

1616
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 21: terms of the money, and you know, that's potentially a

1617
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 21: distraction from us actually discussing the po So she is

1618
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,520
Speaker 21: open to that, but she's not, you know, particularly exercised

1619
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 21: to you know, progress something like that.

1620
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 3: So would this just be an agency that has a

1621
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 3: look if the government says we're going to do the

1622
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 3: following thing for this much money, it checks it over

1623
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 3: and goes, yep, that's reasonable. Is that basically what it

1624
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 3: would do?

1625
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 21: Well around the world. These sorts of institutions have different mandates,

1626
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 21: so some of them just do that. But what the

1627
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 21: OECD reckons and also someone who did a big review

1628
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 21: of our budget processes, they believe that we need a

1629
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,919
Speaker 21: sort of more broader institution that checks the Treasury's forecast,

1630
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 21: you know, checks that the finances are on track and

1631
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 21: also checks the political party's costings. Now Cameron Bagriy, an economist,

1632
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 21: Allisses might might have heard a bit from he made

1633
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 21: a point in a column recently. He noted that the

1634
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 21: Treasury at the budget assumed that in the future our

1635
01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 21: productivity growth would be pretty high, like thirty year average high,

1636
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 21: but recently our productivity has been super low. So he

1637
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 21: raised the point that if our productivity growth continues to

1638
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 21: be as low as it's been in recent years, we

1639
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 21: should forget about getting the books back and surplus. So,

1640
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 21: you know, I thought that was quite a good point

1641
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 21: that Cameron made because the Treasury's modeling is based on

1642
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 21: the assumption that productivity growth is going to improve, But

1643
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 21: what if it doesn't improve? So this is the type

1644
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 21: of thing that the experts reckon. A independent unit could

1645
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 21: shed some light on interesting stuff.

1646
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 3: Jana, thank you. I really appreciate it. Jennet tip Trainey,

1647
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 3: The Herald's Wellington Business editor, Hither there's a new KO

1648
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 3: block next to my apartment. My two bedroom is fifty

1649
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 3: five square meters. Their one bedroom is seventy square meters.

1650
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 3: Our hallway lights are on motion centers sensors to save

1651
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 3: money when they're not needed on theirs are on twenty

1652
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:53,560
Speaker 3: four seven, So there is a lot of money that

1653
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 3: could be saved at KO. Jonathan, thank you. That's a

1654
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 3: very fair point, Heather. Apparently, yellow is the easiest color

1655
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 3: to see, which is why the tennis balls are yellow.

1656
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 3: The cop fans in South Africa are yellow. For that

1657
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 3: is that the stripes on our cop the are stripes

1658
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 3: on our cop cars yellow as well. Do you want

1659
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 3: do you actually want to see a cop car? I

1660
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 3: don't want to see the cop car. They freak be

1661
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 3: out and I've got that they're not coming for me.

1662
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 3: Now listen to this, Ocay. It was this case in

1663
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 3: the last week or so of Ministry of Justice officials

1664
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 3: getting busted referring to an academic by the B word

1665
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 3: that rhymes with which because they didn't like her, because

1666
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,799
Speaker 3: she was hassling them with information Official Information Act requests

1667
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 3: all the time as part of her PhD recess, just

1668
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 3: getting on their tits anyway, So they got busted on

1669
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 3: teams saying this is like a teams is like a

1670
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 3: teams is like a thing like you can it's like

1671
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 3: a workplace conversation thing or whatever. I don't use it.

1672
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about this stuff. I've got time

1673
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 3: for it, but other people do. And they were saying

1674
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 3: these nasty things about her, and they got busted because

1675
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 3: she asked for she made a request for through the

1676
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 3: Privacy Act for information or whatever it was. Now, presumably

1677
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 3: they thought that the stuff that they were saying on

1678
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 3: teams was private, but it wasn't. And that now sparks

1679
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 3: a bunch of questions about how much your boss can

1680
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 3: actually see of your messages. And it's actually more than

1681
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 3: you may think so your boss, if you are, depending

1682
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:08,560
Speaker 3: on what the situation is. But if you're like me

1683
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 3: and your boss not only pays for your phone but

1684
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 3: has actually given you the device, they can probably read

1685
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 3: your emails and your messages. Now I'm not sure if

1686
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 3: they can like just log in remotely and read them.

1687
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if that's the thing that they can do,

1688
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 3: or whether if they say give me your phone, I

1689
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 3: need to look, whether I'm obliged to hand it over.

1690
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. Sometimes outsiders can also

1691
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 3: see what you've been up to if they make a

1692
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 3: request under the Privacy Act. So if I was to

1693
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 3: send a message to Violin playing multiple language speaking German

1694
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 3: producer Laura, and I was to say, oh, that Chris

1695
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 3: Bishop is such a babe, Hey, you could ask for

1696
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 3: that under the Privacy Act and see that I said

1697
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 3: that to her, So there's that. Okay, you're to be

1698
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 3: aware of that, obviously, as using Christ Bishop as an

1699
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 3: example because we've just spoken to him, not because he

1700
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 3: was four of my mind is like a sex god

1701
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 3: or anything. There are some exceptions, like if you're having

1702
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 3: a legally privileged conversation with the lawyer or your boss

1703
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 3: or whatever, there's some information that could lead to the

1704
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 3: disclosure of somebody else's details. The boss can't see that stuff,

1705
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 3: then that and blah blah. Anyway, my boss said to me,

1706
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 3: and I might get in trouble for telling you this,

1707
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 3: but I don't really care. My boss, I do care

1708
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 3: a little bit. I'm just trying to ask cover a

1709
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 3: little bit by acknowledging this is but naughty. But anyway,

1710
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 3: he said to me, he can see that if we're

1711
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 3: he can see if we're watching Paorn on our phones.

1712
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 3: So that suggests to me. And I don't know if again,

1713
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's real time or if it's

1714
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 3: like he goes back and searches through the history. I

1715
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 3: don't really know. And I don't know. I don't know,

1716
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 3: but it sounded like you watch the porn. He knows

1717
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 3: pretty quickly there after you've been watching porn. Ah, how

1718
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 3: creepy is that anyway? So as a result it's not well,

1719
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 3: how worried should you be? We're gonna have a chat

1720
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 3: to employment lawyer Joe Williams before the end of this

1721
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 3: program just to get us across all of what we

1722
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 3: need to know about what you're doing on your phone.

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Speaker 9: I think hither as well, after a conversation where we've

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Speaker 9: talked about Chris Biship and whether he's attractive in porn,

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Speaker 9: I think the boss is definitely going to be going

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Speaker 9: through your emails.

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Speaker 7: He wasn't doing that.

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Speaker 3: There's probably a thing that alerts him right now that

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01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 3: the word pawn has been used and sex god as

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Speaker 3: a phrase. What do you think? And he's getting a

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01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 3: ping right now and he's logging onto my phone. Hold on, yep,

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01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 3: he's the curses. Yep, there is Hello Jason six twenty four.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,

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01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME.

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Speaker 3: News, talks that'd be must be a slow day for

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01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 3: someone to be watching porn on their work device and

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Speaker 3: saying that that's how one of the colleagues got the sack. Well,

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Speaker 3: there you go, Sonny. And also remember you take your

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01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 3: work device home with you, right, so you go home

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01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 3: with the thing and then you can tito away happily

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Speaker 3: on that. Okay, listen, as you know, news hubs news

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Speaker 3: programs are going to end on Friday. This is the

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Speaker 3: AM Show, the News Hour, the five point thirty news

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01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 3: bulletin on the channel that used to be Prime, which

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01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,600
Speaker 3: is now called Sky Open. They've got we've got the

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01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 3: schedule of things that are replacing them. I'm going to

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01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 3: rang you through something quickly. Okay, this is what if

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01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 3: you're an AM watcher. This is what's replacing AM between

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01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 3: six and nine in the morning. A rerun of a

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Speaker 3: home renovation show called Bones, then a rerun of a

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Speaker 3: home renovation show called Hometown. Then a reality competition series

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01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 3: called Spring Baking Championship. That's pretty bad. There's more to come.

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Speaker 3: Stand by.

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01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather due

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01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 1: to see Ellen with the Business Hours. Thanks to my HR,

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01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME on us talksb.

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Speaker 11: Stuff working, Did your truck great?

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Speaker 3: Did your birth?

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01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 15: Through my diner, it's fun house.

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Speaker 3: Here are those TV shows you just rattled off sound awesome?

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01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 3: You wake to hear the rest of it, though, stand by,

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01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 3: I'm when we get to it. Gavin Gray is gonna

1764
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 3: be a US and ten minutes time, of course for

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Speaker 3: the latest in the UK election, which is what like tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Let's go first to Bilford Asset Management Deborah Lambie of course,

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Speaker 3: high Deborah.

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Speaker 4: Hi, how are you well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? So how was AI being used to discover

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Speaker 3: new medicines?

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Speaker 6: So it's interesting. I'm just recently back from a US

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Speaker 6: trip visited over forty different global health companies, and one

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01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 6: of the themes that really stuck out to me was

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Speaker 6: actually just how excited companies and investors are about the

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Speaker 6: potential of AI to transform the drug discovery process. And

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Speaker 6: that's the process that identifies new molecules that have the

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Speaker 6: potential to be used as a medicine. So artificial intelligence

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Speaker 6: models that you or I might use, these are trained

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Speaker 6: on language and generate a language output, and a good

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01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 6: example of this would be chat GPT, but then there's

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Speaker 6: also drug GPT. I mean, this is an example of

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Speaker 6: an AI model which has trained on huge data sets

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Speaker 6: of known molecules and its output is to help discover

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Speaker 6: new molecules. And then this is really exciting because it

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Speaker 6: has the potential to make the drug discovery process much

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Speaker 6: faster and cheaper.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why is it that the traditional drug discovery process

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01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 3: is so time consuming and expensive?

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Speaker 6: Exactly so, for a medicine to be approved for use

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01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 6: in patients, all medicines have to go to the time

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Speaker 6: trimming and expensive process of completing phase one, phase two,

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Speaker 6: and place three clinical trials to demonstrate a medicine is

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Speaker 6: both safe and importantly effective in people. And this cost

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Speaker 6: on average over two billion dollars per new molecule and

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Speaker 6: takes on average around ten years. And then the success

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Speaker 6: rate isn't great either, with many medicines not making it

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Speaker 6: all the way through the process and in fact, on

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Speaker 6: average only around seven percent of molecules make it all

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Speaker 6: the way through from phase one clinical trials to approval.

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Speaker 6: And so if artificial intelligence can help bring costs of

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Speaker 6: drug discovery down, that can only be a good things,

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Speaker 6: given that governments and healthcare systems all around the world,

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Speaker 6: including here in New Zealands, are dealing with increasing costs

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Speaker 6: of healthcare.

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Speaker 3: So right, yeah, how is it actually doing it. How

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01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 3: does AI bring down the cost and the time of

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Speaker 3: developing these new medicines.

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Speaker 6: So it's really complicated to design new molecules. And what

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Speaker 6: we're seeing is that artificial intelligence can go to the

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Speaker 6: design process of new molecules approximately ten times faster, and

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Speaker 6: then it can run simulations or testing on those molecules

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Speaker 6: about one hundred times faster compared to traditional labs. And

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Speaker 6: this reduces the time and the cost involved in developing

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Speaker 6: new medicines. And so if we think about how companies

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01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 6: are doing this, you will heard of the concept of

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01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 6: self driving cars. Then in the world of farmer there's

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Speaker 6: also the concept of self driving labs. So these labs

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Speaker 6: are using artificial intelligence and robotics combined to run a

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Speaker 6: cycle of kind of prediction of new molecules, experimentation on

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Speaker 6: those new molecules, and then analysis of those molecules to

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Speaker 6: identify most promising compounds that are then tested in the

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Speaker 6: real world.

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Speaker 3: Who are the companies the main companies who are involved here, So.

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Speaker 6: A good example another company that helps with self driving

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01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 6: labs so US company called Betton Dickinson and it's leader

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Speaker 6: in lab automation systems and its technology can take out

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Speaker 6: around a third of the costs of a traditional lab.

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Speaker 6: And then on the drug discovery side, what we're seeing

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Speaker 6: is a number of AI focused companies are partnering with

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Speaker 6: big pharmaceutical companies. So, for example, there's a UKAI company

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Speaker 6: called Benevolent Ai and it's partners with AstraZeneca, which is

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Speaker 6: a large farmer company, and astra is using its platform

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Speaker 6: to find new ways to treat disease and personalized medicine.

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Speaker 6: To patient Deborah, this.

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Speaker 3: Stuff is absolutely fascinating, isn't it. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for talking us through this, Deborah Lamby, Milford Asset Management,

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Speaker 3: Heather do right, how about this. If you have a

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Speaker 3: habit of using colorful language or slagging people off in

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01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 3: your work emails or your work chat on the phone,

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01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 3: you better be careful because your boss might be able

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01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 3: to see more than you think. Two Ministry of Justice

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01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 3: staffers got in a bit of trouble for calling an

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01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 3: academic the B word in some Microsoft Teams messages that

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Speaker 3: have now been made public under the Official Information Act.

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Speaker 3: Joe Williams is an employment lawyer at Duncan Cotrell.

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Speaker 6: And with us.

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Speaker 3: Now, hey, Joe, a very well, thank you now for

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Speaker 3: the purposes of this discussion, my boss pays for my

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01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,719
Speaker 3: phone and gives me the device, can he read my emails?

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Speaker 17: In a word, yes, unless there's an agreement otherwise. Essentially,

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01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 17: the work owns the device, they pay for it, so

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Speaker 17: they're entitled to access it just as.

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Speaker 2: Any other tool of trade without telling me.

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Speaker 17: I think you'll often see workplaces in terms of delivering

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Speaker 17: these devices to staff and giving them to you, that

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01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 17: there will be some expectations setting around that. But ultimately

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01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 17: you have to assume, yes, that there's going to be

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01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 17: fair game for employers accessing essentially devices that they own

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01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 17: and data that they are own. Again, unless there's been

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Speaker 17: an agreement otherwise, or if there's been particular areas of

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Speaker 17: the device carved out that are private.

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Speaker 3: What about if you are running on your work supply

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Speaker 3: device a private Gmail account, can they access that?

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Speaker 17: Yeah? So this is an interesting one, and I can

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Speaker 17: say I've done this as well on my work devices,

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Speaker 17: as I think a lot of people do. In terms

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Speaker 17: of an employer going into your personal Gmail accounts and

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Speaker 17: things like that, I think that potentially would be seen

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Speaker 17: as invasive, But the simple point is, if you want

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Speaker 17: to make sure it doesn't happen. Then just be a

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Speaker 17: bit guarded about your own data privacy and the logging

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Speaker 17: out of those accounts on work devices. Ultimately, you don't

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Speaker 17: own them. You can't be in total control of who

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Speaker 17: is going to access the stuff.

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Speaker 18: That is on them.

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Speaker 3: But you're making it sound like they are able to

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Speaker 3: access things remotely, like potentially while you're not aware they

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01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 3: are logging on and going through your apps. Is that

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01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 3: what's up?

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Speaker 17: I think it would depend a bit on the capabilities

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Speaker 17: of a business. So, you know, large corporates with sophisticated

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01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 17: IT teams, you know, I wouldn't be surprised. And often

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01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,759
Speaker 17: there's a very good reason for having an IT team

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Speaker 17: remote onto someone's device to help them out with an

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Speaker 17: I issue. For example, smaller smaller businesses where you're talking

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Speaker 17: giving a small teams and funds to you and things

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Speaker 17: like that, I'd say it's less likely to be that

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01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 17: active monitoring. But ultimately, if the employer owns the device,

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Speaker 17: they do have an entitlement to the data that's from it.

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Speaker 3: Fascinating, Okay, So that would mean basically that it's everything

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01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,759
Speaker 3: that you do on your device, if you're sending text messages,

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01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:05,759
Speaker 3: they'd be able to see if you're accessing websites like porn.

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01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 3: They'd be able to see that stuff, wouldn't they.

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Speaker 17: I mean, to a degree, the porn question is interesting,

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01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 17: I'd say yes, and it's probably never a good idea

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01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 17: in the first place to be doing that sort of

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01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 17: thing on a work device. But in terms of private

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01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,600
Speaker 17: text messages, I mean, there is a line there in

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01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 17: terms of a reasonable expectation of privacy, and again there

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Speaker 17: there's been a degree to which an employer would be

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01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:34,839
Speaker 17: criticized for intruding into that. But again the simple messages.

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01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 17: If you don't want to have to deal with the

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01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 17: situation where that's happened, just be a bit guarded about

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01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 17: your data privacy in the first place, and you won't

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01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:42,799
Speaker 17: get into hot.

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Speaker 3: Water fascinating stuff. Joe, thank you very much. I really

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01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 3: appreciate it. Joe Williams, employment lawyer at Duncan Control. Okay,

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01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 3: here you go, So I told you am show is

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01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,560
Speaker 3: going to What did you just learn from that? What

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01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 3: did you learn? Use a Berna phone? Which is why

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Speaker 3: you use a Burna phone, don't you? Ants? As long

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01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 3: as I've known, Ants always two phones so that he

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01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 3: can have his private email accounts that's incorrect.

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Speaker 9: Hither, I just have one phone, it's not a work phone.

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01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 3: Did you forego them paying you? Did you forego them

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01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 3: paying your phone bills so that you would have absolute autonomy?

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Speaker 9: I'm a paranoid nutcase either. And there's a thing with

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Speaker 9: the work emails where you put them on the phone

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01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 9: where they can remotely wipe your phone if like, which

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01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 9: they need in there so that they can make the

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01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 9: emails work. And I was like, no, I don't want

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01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 9: the company to be able to wipe my phone.

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Speaker 3: Did you read that in your contract or something like that.

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01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, well yeah, it's when you install the app. It's

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01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 9: in the big list of terms. And can yell paranoid?

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01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 3: And this is the kind of guy answers.

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Speaker 9: Let me just put the phone back and it's Faraday cage.

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01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 3: He wrap it with a tin foil first. Don't forget that.

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01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 3: This is why Answer is the one member of this

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Speaker 3: team who has read the updated version of the broadcasting

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Speaker 3: standards like whatever, whatever guidelines or whatever I have to

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Speaker 3: say to ants often on a day, Answer, am I

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Speaker 3: allowed to say that word that starts with And he goes, oh,

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Speaker 3: absolutely not, that's top of the list.

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Speaker 9: I'm going to say, what's the answer usually to that question.

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Speaker 3: No, if you have to ask, Heather, don't say it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Anyway we're going, I'm going to come back

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Speaker 3: to it. I'm going to come back to the TV

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Speaker 3: shows in a minute. And obviously Gavin Gray's with us

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Speaker 3: next sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

1942
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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

1943
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Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME.

1944
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Speaker 2: US talks B.

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Speaker 3: They don't need to access your phone to read your emails.

1946
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Speaker 3: They can do that from office three six five Admin tools, Jeff,

1947
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Speaker 3: thank you. And actually I've made it quite easy for

1948
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Speaker 3: them to be able to read my emails because I've

1949
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Speaker 3: deleted all the spamy stuff and it's just like the

1950
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Speaker 3: only things in my email account. As I've told you,

1951
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Speaker 3: nothing's unread and it's all just important stuff. So whatever

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Speaker 3: they're looking for they'll find very easily. Thirteen away from

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Speaker 3: seven Gavin Gray, the UK correspondents with us right now. Hey, Gavin, Hi, Gavin.

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Speaker 3: So we are seriously talking now about the possibility that

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Speaker 3: Keir Starmer, the most boring man I've seen in ages,

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Speaker 3: is going to outperform Tony Bleir's landslide.

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Speaker 22: It's looking that way. So the polls open here for

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Speaker 22: the general election in twenty three and quarter hours. So

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Speaker 22: very exciting stuff. But the last most recent opinion poll

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Speaker 22: from a very very well respected Polster group is that

1961
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Speaker 22: the leader of the opposition is on for a massive landslide.

1962
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Speaker 22: They are predicting that out of the six hundred and

1963
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Speaker 22: fifty seats in Parliament, the Keir Starmer's Labor Party will

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Speaker 22: win four hundred and eighty four. Now that'll mean that

1965
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Speaker 22: they then possibly have a massive, massive majority of over

1966
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Speaker 22: three hundred. I mean normally, when Boris Johnson got elected

1967
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Speaker 22: in he won with a majority of eighty people were

1968
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Speaker 22: amazed at that. The idea somebody's going to get in

1969
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Speaker 22: with a majority of over three hundred is stunning and

1970
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Speaker 22: deeply worrying for the Conservative Party, the party of power. Indeed,

1971
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Speaker 22: according to this opinion poll, these latest figures anyway, suggest

1972
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Speaker 22: that the Conservative Party, Rishie Sunac's party may be down

1973
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Speaker 22: to just sixty four MPs. Now that'll mean some very

1974
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 22: very big names just disappear off our political map and

1975
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Speaker 22: it means that they are only just the second biggest

1976
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Speaker 22: party so the Liberal Democrats normally who are you know,

1977
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Speaker 22: in the past really really suffered, particularly following the coalition

1978
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Speaker 22: with David Cameron's government, would get sixty one, so only

1979
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Speaker 22: a little below. Of course, all these are just forecasts,

1980
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Speaker 22: they aren't accurate votes. But they were done on thirty

1981
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Speaker 22: four and a half thousand different interviews with people up

1982
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Speaker 22: and down the country. And yeah, the big question is

1983
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Speaker 22: what will happen tomorrow.

1984
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, obviously there has been a little bit of

1985
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 3: a problem with the polling in the UK and the past.

1986
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Speaker 3: Do you think they've got on top of it? Im

1987
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Speaker 3: in these poles completely trustworthy.

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Speaker 22: I think the thing is with British people is we

1989
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Speaker 22: quite like to be a bit naughty and do you

1990
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 22: know what at the moment, I don't know anyone who

1991
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 22: would really tell me that they're going to vote Conservative.

1992
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Speaker 22: I think there's a little bit of an era of

1993
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Speaker 22: embarrassment about it. Certainly, I've never seen fewer Conservative posters

1994
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Speaker 22: going up around, you know, outside people's housing and so forth.

1995
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Speaker 22: I think it's the fact people are just embarrassed to

1996
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Speaker 22: admit it. But many are saying there's such a bad

1997
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Speaker 22: choice between the two main parties. They probably feel they

1998
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Speaker 22: might be compelled to go for something less palatable.

1999
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that. And speaking of elections over in France,

2000
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Speaker 3: more than two hundreds of the left wing candidates have been.

2001
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Speaker 22: Withdrawn, have they Yeah, so on Sunday it's the second

2002
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 22: raft in the French election, and these of course the

2003
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 22: votes for the parliament they have there. What's very interesting

2004
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 22: is that as we approach the second round, it normally

2005
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:41,879
Speaker 22: goes down to three candidates in each constituency, and normally

2006
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Speaker 22: that means you get a centrist for the left winger

2007
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:48,680
Speaker 22: and then the right wing Marine Le Penn's party. Now

2008
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 22: the far right parties we know did incredibly well in

2009
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Speaker 22: the first round and it has now really put the

2010
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Speaker 22: scarem tactics on the others. They the other parties are saying, right,

2011
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Speaker 22: in a three way race, we want one of the

2012
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Speaker 22: candidates of the left or the center to drop out

2013
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 22: and throw their support behind the other left wing candidate

2014
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 22: in order to keep out the far right. So we

2015
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 22: believe that some two hundred and maybe more of these

2016
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Speaker 22: three way races are becoming two way races instead, and

2017
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Speaker 22: that I mean that it's going to be a very

2018
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 22: very interesting, significant runoff vote on Sunday to add for

2019
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Speaker 22: that spice, the far right parties stay unless they get

2020
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Speaker 22: an overall majority, they are going to refuse to appoint

2021
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Speaker 22: a leader a prime minister. It looks like they might

2022
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 22: be slightly faltering and waving on that. Actually in a

2023
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 22: recent radio interview that the outright intention which we leave

2024
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 22: French politics in a complete hole and really a constitution

2025
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 22: on night Man, nobody quite knowing what's going on. So

2026
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 22: they are trying to strengthen their support. The left wing

2027
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 22: are trying to coalesce the different parties to strengthen their support.

2028
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Speaker 22: Either wait, interesting time ahead. Keep a note in the

2029
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Speaker 22: DARI for Sunday and those exit polls.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean for political geeks. This is quite a week,

2031
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Speaker 3: isn't it. Gavin, Thank you so much appreciated and good

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Speaker 3: luck with the election tomorrow. That's Kevin gray Are UK correspondent, Heather.

2033
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Speaker 3: I can assure you one hundred percent that your boss

2034
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 3: can view all of your emails, texts and any website

2035
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 3: that you view, et cetera. I'm only an SME owner

2036
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Speaker 3: and I've done it, maybe not legally, Michael, thank you

2037
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Speaker 3: for your honesty.

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Speaker 1: It away from seven, whether it's macro micro or just

2039
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Speaker 1: playing economics. It's all on the Business Hour with Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen and my HR, the HR platform for SME used.

2041
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Speaker 3: Talks it b hither you this is fascinating, This is

2042
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 3: really this is fascinating, and this is the news you

2043
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,919
Speaker 3: can use hither. You can just upload your contracts and agreements,

2044
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 3: like your phone agreement with your boss or whatever, into

2045
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 3: chat GPT and then you can ask any question you like.

2046
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Speaker 3: It's going to save you a ton of time and

2047
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 3: brain power. So if you want to know if your

2048
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 3: boss can have access to whatever it can leat, you know,

2049
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 3: in a matter of seconds you could say something like,

2050
01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 3: what does this agreement say about my privacy and how

2051
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 3: I can protect myself? Great for housing contracts, Thank you.

2052
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 3: I just gonna put lawyers out of business, isn't it? Okay?

2053
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 3: Here we go. So this is what's replacing the shows

2054
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 3: being pulled off TV three, The news shows, AM Show,

2055
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 3: as I told you, is going to be replaced every hour.

2056
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 3: It's going to be one home renovation show at six o'clock,

2057
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 3: then at seven o'clock on another home renovation show, then

2058
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 3: a reality competition that sounds like a baking baking championship

2059
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:27,600
Speaker 3: or something. Then from nine o'clock in the morning to

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01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 3: ten thirty it's going to run infomercials, and then at

2061
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Speaker 3: ten thirty they're going to rerun as a reality series.

2062
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 3: So it's like the fourth three run of the Morning.

2063
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Speaker 3: That's Monday to Friday, so the Saturday, then on Saturday,

2064
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 3: oh okay, no, then sorry, wait then the news, the

2065
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:45,839
Speaker 3: news Monday to Friday is going to simply be replaced

2066
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 3: by the news that stuff is going to make okay

2067
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 3: at the weekends, though, the news is going to go

2068
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 3: down from one hour to half hour, so that will

2069
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 3: be stuff produced news for a half hour on Saturday

2070
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Speaker 3: and Sunday. Six thirty on Saturdays, brand new episode of

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01:37:57,439 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 3: bond I Rescue, Yes, bond I Rescue, You Can't Wait

2072
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 3: six point thirty on Sunday, David Lomas investigates rerun. That's

2073
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 3: actually a fantastic show, but it is a rerun over

2074
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 3: at Prime, which you know is now called Sky Open.

2075
01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:14,720
Speaker 3: The half hour News is gone, Pawn Stars, Pawn Get

2076
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 3: your Mind out of the Gutter. A rerun is going

2077
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 3: to be on Monday to Friday. On Saturday, a new

2078
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:22,639
Speaker 3: episode of Diners, Drive Ins and Dives and on Sunday,

2079
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 3: Rugby Nation, which is normally on at five o'clock, is

2080
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 3: the sports talk show is going to go to five thirty.

2081
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 3: Now that's the future. That is the future of linear

2082
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 3: TV in this country is just reruns, like it's basically

2083
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 3: going to be. It's just going to be like chucking

2084
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 3: things in there, like all of these old reruns of

2085
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,599
Speaker 3: all these other programs that you've never watched the first

2086
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 3: time around, because who wants to watch that much? Home

2087
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 3: Reno that's going to be wall to wall what they

2088
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 3: just like like a cheap cable channel basically.

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Speaker 9: And Boy with Love by BTS to play us out tonight.

2090
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 9: Jin from the Korean group BTS has just finished his

2091
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:58,600
Speaker 9: compulsory military service with the Korean Army, so he is

2092
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 9: going to be going over to France to part in

2093
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 9: the Olympic torch relay. Apparently South Korea get to put

2094
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 9: a delegation in there to you know, carry the torch

2095
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:06,680
Speaker 9: for a little bit, and he's gonna be one of

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Speaker 9: the ones who does it.

2097
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Speaker 3: Why bid He's come out of that buff day.

2098
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, absolutely, and hopefully he's learned some things about

2099
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 9: aerodynamics and stuff so he won't make the same mistake

2100
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 9: how Prime Minister did when she put the bloody thing

2101
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:17,840
Speaker 9: out back in two thousand and she didn't. Yeah, remember

2102
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Speaker 9: she was running down the steps of Parliament, Helen Clark,

2103
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 9: and she ran with the flame into the wind and

2104
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Speaker 9: the flame went out. So yeah, hopefully, hopefully there's a

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Speaker 9: tip for you, Jen, if you're listening, don't do that.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know.

2107
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Speaker 3: About that, but I enjoyed that. Hey, thank you. AD's

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. All right, we'll see you tomorrow and enjoy evening.

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Speaker 3: Here's tigs IV, but not.

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Speaker 11: Touching and nut that touching back and we'll spend that.

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Speaker 2: Goodle an inn goodle.

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