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Speaker 1: Pressing the newswakers to get the real story. It's Andrew Dickenson,

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Speaker 1: hither due to see Allen drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected news Talk.

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Speaker 2: Said B.

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Speaker 3: It's good afternoon, welcome to the program. It is the

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Speaker 3: first of August and I'm Andrew Dickins here till seven

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Speaker 3: on the program. Today the tower fell over? But who's

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Speaker 3: going to pay? The Transpower CEO? Just after five, after

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Speaker 3: his company produces a report that tells us everything except

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Speaker 3: the issue of compensation. We've got a warning that drug

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Speaker 3: runners and international gangs are about to invade this country

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Speaker 3: at an even higher rate than ever before. How real

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Speaker 3: and large is the threat? Chris Cahole After five and

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Speaker 3: former Olympian Eric Murray is a rowing hits finals time

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Speaker 3: and is there going to be gold on the water

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Speaker 3: of Paris? You can text me on ninety two ninety two.

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Speaker 3: You can email me Dickens at Newstalk zeb dot co

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Speaker 3: dot m zen buckle up, Let's.

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Speaker 2: Go news talk, said B.

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Speaker 3: Well, the Health New Zealand War of world words rumbles

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Speaker 3: on time and time again. By the way, we've been

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Speaker 3: asking Shane Letti to speak with us, and time and

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Speaker 3: time again, he declines, but we'll need to talk to

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Speaker 3: the minister at some point. What's going to happen next.

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Speaker 3: All of this has brewed up over the last week,

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Speaker 3: principally because of the Prime Minister's words and then the

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Speaker 3: appointment of Leicester Levy as a commissioner replacing the board.

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Speaker 3: So Christopher Luxen introduced us to the infamous fourteen layers

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Speaker 3: of management comment and also said the Health New Zealand

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Speaker 3: board lacked financial literacy and had no great understanding around

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Speaker 3: cash flow analysis whatsoever. So on the fourteen layers of

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Speaker 3: management last night I asked former Chair of Health New

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Speaker 3: Zealand Rob Campbell if that's true, and he said, well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: of course it is. In fact, he reckons there might

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Speaker 3: be even more layers in certain areas of the business.

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Speaker 3: And then he pointed out the bleeding obvious. That's why

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Speaker 3: he was employed. The Health New Zealand was being restructured

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Speaker 3: bloatd management and to make the organization more efficient and

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Speaker 3: something that does not happen overnight in something that's proving

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Speaker 3: to be very difficult. So I also asked Rob Campbell

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Speaker 3: whether the board was financially illiterate, and he said, no,

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Speaker 3: it's not. And when Mike Hoskin asked Ian Powell the

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Speaker 3: same question this morning, Ian Power reckoned that that whole

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Speaker 3: thing was scapegoating, throwing the board under the bus so

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Speaker 3: they could appoint a commissioner. Now here's the thing. A

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Speaker 3: you think she is financially illiterate? And secondly, how do

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Speaker 3: you think she feels about the Prime Minister and his

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Speaker 3: theory about the board right now saying that they are

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Speaker 3: all financially illiterate and no understanding about cash flow? Amy Adams,

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Speaker 3: It's worth looking at some of the comments around when

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Speaker 3: Amy quit at the beginning of this month, and when

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Speaker 3: she quit, a number of people are Rob Campbell and

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Speaker 3: others said that a number of people on Health New

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Speaker 3: Zealand's board, including Amy, had found the approach of the

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Speaker 3: Ministry of Health and successive ministers unhelpful when it came

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Speaker 3: to meeting the objectives of the health system reforms. And

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Speaker 3: that is the real issue about Health New Zealand. The

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Speaker 3: Health Ministry just don't believe in the reforms, and they're

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Speaker 3: digging their heels in and they're making it hard and

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Speaker 3: they're making it wrong. So Lester Levy has his work

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Speaker 3: Amy Adams knew this. Amy Adams knew it and actually

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Speaker 3: quit because she was hitting her head against a brick wall. Now,

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Speaker 3: it would have been better for the Prime Minister to

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Speaker 3: I think that's his method of operation as m O,

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Speaker 3: his modus operandi. And I've said before that he sometimes

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Speaker 3: He scapegoats a former government for every ill ever in

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Speaker 3: And he does exaggerate some problems and he's always making

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Speaker 3: out that this country is a basketcase. Now, look, we've

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Speaker 2: After four news Talk said b.

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Speaker 2: Down with the news Talk said B.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: The public are being invited to weigh in on the

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Speaker 3: End of Life Choice Act once again. The Ministry is

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Speaker 3: coming into force. So this is the time for the review.

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Speaker 3: Let's get the review happening. Do we need to make changes?

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Speaker 3: Do we not? Now? The Government will not make changes

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Speaker 3: to the Act following the review. However, individual political parties

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Speaker 3: can then progress changes through members' bills. So so far

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Speaker 3: since this came into place, three hundred and forty four

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Speaker 3: people have chosen a Sister Dying. This is in the

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Speaker 3: Dr Brian Betty, here's the Chair of General Practice, New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Brian, ood Bean Andrew, by your measure, has

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Speaker 3: a Sister Dying being a success so far?

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Speaker 5: Well, certainly in the conversations I've had around this and

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Speaker 5: I haven't heard that there's been a big problems in

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Speaker 3: However, some people have expressed a design to make it

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Speaker 3: into the process, and that's called organizational conscientious objection. That

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Speaker 3: sort of thing should be debated, don't you think, I.

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Speaker 5: Think around the edges of this, You're actually right, that's

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Speaker 5: where the tension will arise. So how the acts being implemented,

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Speaker 5: and how that works. I'm always the intention an ability

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Speaker 6: It should be.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, there are absolutely certain certain facilities for a

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Speaker 5: number of reasons, don't want to engage in that. But again,

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Speaker 5: I suppose the reason for doing a review like that

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Speaker 3: Surely at the heart of this whole issue is personal responsibility.

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Speaker 3: It's the ultimate personal responsibility, So it should be down

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Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of there's a number of

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Speaker 5: you know a number of practitioners, health practitioners and organizations

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Speaker 5: have taken a particular stance against euthanasia as such, and

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Speaker 5: is their right to do that. So I think this

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, just look at some of the issues that were

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Speaker 7: Look that.

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Speaker 5: Again, the reason for doing a review like that is

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Speaker 5: But certainly I certainly haven't come across any concerns raised

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Speaker 5: to my original comment that the actors that was put

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Speaker 3: And has it had any effect on our suicide rates?

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Speaker 5: Look, I couldn't comment on those rates, Andrews, I wouldn't know.

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Speaker 3: Now at the end of the day, the government will

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Speaker 5: That's the process that's place, if that was to happen,

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Speaker 5: and it becomes a conscious folk generally in the Parliament

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Speaker 5: actually happens the end of life, so it's a remotive

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Speaker 5: area obviously, But yeah, that is a process is in

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Speaker 3: So I guess you could say, though, the good thing

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Speaker 3: and there isn't an urgent need to make a change,

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Speaker 5: Look, I think that's probably a fair summation of the

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Speaker 3: Because Brian Betted to Brian Betty Tear of General Practice,

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Speaker 3: now for seventeen. So a text threw from William who says,

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Speaker 3: in law at seventy four used the Euthanasian Bill. It

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Speaker 3: is a fantastic bill that allowed them to die with

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Speaker 3: have a conversation with them. Well, they won't be happening

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Speaker 3: with this review. This review is not to oppose the bill,

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Speaker 3: it's to make it better. It will continue as we

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Speaker 3: go forward. It is four seventeen. Who watched Hayden Wild

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Speaker 3: last night? My comment was it was the best movie

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Speaker 3: that Sky has ever shown. A million people watched that race.

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Speaker 3: What an incredible race. We've got darcyan in just a

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Speaker 3: few months time, we'll talk about that, We'll talk about

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Speaker 3: Rob Penny, We'll talk about rowing here on news talks at.

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Speaker 2: B digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duper c Allen drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: one giant leap for business US talks a B.

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Speaker 3: Stop talking to me while the air break's finishing. Darcy

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Speaker 8: I know when it's finishing. I can't see it. Tom

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Speaker 8: over here. I'm in the wilderness. I'm way out in

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Speaker 8: the background here. That's how big this studio is.

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Speaker 3: A million people watched that race last night. You know,

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Speaker 3: we almost missed the crucial, crucial moment because the TV

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Speaker 3: people started focusing on the two French guys were having

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Speaker 3: a ding dong for the bronze and we're going, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's quite good. Then everyone's saying, el Hayden's got it.

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Speaker 3: Hayden's got it. And when they came back to the

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Speaker 3: Fellows only two meters behind, and then he was right past.

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Speaker 1: Did I?

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Speaker 3: and then this fellow just Zoops passed. He was fifteen

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Speaker 3: Well, we got to We've got rowing tonight.

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Speaker 8: We've got lots double skulls of the men and the women.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines. It's Andrew Dickens on

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Speaker 3: That'd be so when I was talking to Brian Betty

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Speaker 3: the full investigation into how the Northern Power pylon fell

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Speaker 3: Welcome back. It is the first of August. Heather's back

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Speaker 3: It'd be drive to the UK first day. Seventeen year

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Speaker 3: United States of America right now and former President Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump and he's been talking about Vice President Kamala Harris today,

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Speaker 8: Is she black?

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Speaker 12: We all here remember what those four years were like,

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Speaker 13: And finally see he suffer from short term memory loss.

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Speaker 8: Short term memory loss.

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Speaker 14: I forget things almost instantly.

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Speaker 1: At twenty five International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance

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Speaker 8: And we good, good afternoon.

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Speaker 16: Look, there's a quarter million Australians who were either born

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Speaker 3: It just reminds you that Hebela's base was in Lebanon.

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Speaker 16: or sixties. We don't know at this point, nor do

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Speaker 16: we know if this is tragically a murder suicide or

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Speaker 16: was it simply a couple of deaths because maybe there's

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Speaker 16: a gas bottle leaking. We don't know, but police did

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Speaker 16: detect the smell of gas apparently when they went on board,

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Speaker 16: had to call fire and rescue in to make the

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Speaker 16: place safe, and those bodies removed this morning. We'll find

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Speaker 16: out more, I'm sure, either later today or tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: All Right, to the Olympics, which of course is dominating

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Speaker 3: news around the world. How's Australia going in the Olympics.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, pretty well, a bunch of gold medals. Although the

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Speaker 16: swimming world was the Australian swimming world was upended last

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Speaker 16: night when thirty year old swede Sarah Sunstrom Sonstrom. I've

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Speaker 16: got that pronunciation right. She's thirty, she's been going to

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Speaker 16: the Olympic Games for sixteen years. She was the grandmar

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Speaker 16: in the field, and she won a splendid race. My goodness,

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Speaker 16: what a race by that woman. Fantastic and obliterated the

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Speaker 16: Aussie girls twenty five year old Shanda Jack and twenty

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Speaker 16: year old Molli O'Callahan. They were the fastest too qualifiers.

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Speaker 16: They finished fourth and fifth, so that was pretty big.

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Speaker 16: Also the big news here Kyle Chalmers, he's twenty six

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Speaker 16: years old, won the one hundred beaters gold medal freestyle

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Speaker 16: race in Rio, finished second in Tokyo, finished second again

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Speaker 16: last night to this Chinese wonder kid nineteen years old

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Speaker 16: name of pan Zan Lee. Now there's some sort of controversy,

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Speaker 16: he says, Kyle Charmers ignored him at the start of

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Speaker 16: the Olympic Games. But all these thwords are in the

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Speaker 16: zone if he ignored them. I mean after the race, Charmers,

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Speaker 16: he finished second and the third place get it. They

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Speaker 16: were all hugs and smiles with the young Chinese guy.

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Speaker 16: But it's the manner of the win that's got people talking.

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Speaker 16: This guy nineteen years old. He has won, he said,

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Speaker 16: a new world record, the first world record in the pool.

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Speaker 16: But he's won by over a second. And this isn't

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Speaker 16: a race that's determined by one hundreds of a second.

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Speaker 3: How would you do that?

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Speaker 16: Was a body length in front.

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Speaker 3: How would you do that? How would you do that?

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Speaker 2: I wonder.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's just tru.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, it is training. I'm not going to point the

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Speaker 16: finger at twenty three Chinese swimmers who were clear, who

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Speaker 16: are tested positive to a drug and then were cleared

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Speaker 16: by WADA, and the Chinese are swimming. Look, no one

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Speaker 16: wants to go down that path. It's a it's just

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Speaker 16: a bloody dead end. It's horrible. You want to think

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Speaker 16: that everybody is competing on a level playing field, don't we.

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Speaker 8: We all want to think that.

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Speaker 16: But someone going to say, gee, whiz, the New Zealand

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Speaker 16: rugby women they were on the juice.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, you don't say that.

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Speaker 3: How dire they said, they've got hard evidence.

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Speaker 16: But there's just so much smell around Chinese swimming that

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Speaker 16: you can't. I mean, as soon as that kid won

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Speaker 16: the race, the social media world lit up. So let's

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Speaker 16: wait and see mars.

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Speaker 3: I thank you so much, that is Murray Olds from Australia.

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Speaker 3: Berry is back with us and the story he broke

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Speaker 3: has come to an incredible conclusion. He's got the full

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Speaker 3: details next here on new stook zb.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centrics credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 9: Hello, you almost forgot your mic button the.

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Speaker 3: Entry just gidding, But I was also looking at your

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Speaker 3: smiling face and going, thank goodness, you're bad. Thank you

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Speaker 3: are you buddy?

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Speaker 9: I'm very well indeed, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: The Ethnicity Priority List, the list that prioritizes treatment on

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Speaker 3: the base of ethnicity, the list that Health New Zealand

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Speaker 3: and I ever existing. Well, look at that that list disappeared.

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Speaker 9: Well, isn't it interesting that you remember the bombshell that

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Speaker 9: was dropped about this time last year. It caused all

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Speaker 9: sorts of friction, not just from the public's point of view,

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Speaker 9: but certainly within the political system as well. A review

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Speaker 9: that's just out today and that was carried out by

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Speaker 9: Health New Zealand said that it was legally and ethically

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Speaker 9: justifiable but didn't follow best practice. Well you can't. You

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Speaker 9: can't justify any waiting list based on ethnicity. And I

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Speaker 9: got it from the medics. I got basically the list

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Speaker 9: showing me that if you were mildly or Pacific, you

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Speaker 9: would take a much higher place on the list than

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Speaker 9: if you were Pakia or Indian, or Chinese or any.

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Speaker 3: Other ethnicis se In the list, there's like twenty different

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Speaker 3: ethnicities and they're ranked one to twenty. You know that's

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Speaker 3: our list.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I know, and it's to me, it was reprehensible

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Speaker 9: and it's nice to see a good conclusion to the story.

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Speaker 17: Now.

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Speaker 9: At the time, you'll remember that National and Act they

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Speaker 9: both strongly opposed prioritization being given on ethnic grounds. David

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Speaker 9: Seymour he went further. He said that the government treats

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Speaker 9: New Zealanders differently depending on who their ancestors are, and

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Speaker 9: that seemed to be true. But I'll tell you what

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Speaker 9: this was the then Minister Aisha Verraal's defense of the

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Speaker 9: policy when she spoke to here the last June.

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Speaker 18: What I am not okay with as the fact that

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Speaker 18: we know those very long later as people who are

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Speaker 18: marty Pacific.

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Speaker 13: If you're okay with them, if you're okay with your policy,

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Speaker 13: say you're okay with it, Say that you're okay, So

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Speaker 13: you are okay that a sixty two year old Marty

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Speaker 13: Man who was waiting a shorter period for surgery, got

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Speaker 13: it ahead of a woman who's fourteen years old and

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Speaker 13: waited two weeks longer because she's pakiher. You're okay with that,

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Speaker 13: I am.

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Speaker 18: I am not okay with the fact that it has

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Speaker 18: There is clear evidence that we don't get the same

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Speaker 18: surgical access for people from the country for Mardi and Pacific,

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Speaker 18: the teaminals.

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Speaker 13: You don't sound like you even believe in your own policy,

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Speaker 13: and they need.

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Speaker 18: To turn it around. No, look, I am happy with

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Speaker 18: the policy.

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Speaker 8: Well, there you go.

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Speaker 9: But I'll tell you what a spokesman from Health New

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Speaker 9: Zealand he said today that they're looking at the possibility

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Speaker 9: of adopting a new prioritization que for the whole health systems,

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Speaker 9: but no decisions have been made. We'll tell you what

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Speaker 9: I can make the decision for them. Just base it

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Speaker 9: on need. That's what the surgeons believe, and just base

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Speaker 9: it on need. If you need healthcare, you need it,

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Speaker 9: regardless of what ethnicity you come from.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, okay, we've got discipline. Discipline for Julian Jenta. Well

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Speaker 3: is it or what it's not? Really as well?

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Speaker 9: It a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket.

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Speaker 9: And I must say I said at the time Andrew

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Speaker 9: hate to be was proven right and these things, you know,

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Speaker 9: But I said, that's exactly what she would get. Now

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Speaker 9: the Privileges Committee met and you'll remember the antics of

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Speaker 9: her rushing across the house to Matt Doocey, waving paper

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Speaker 9: in front of his face, almost spitting in his face

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Speaker 9: as she leaned towards him. Now, that is unprecedented in

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Speaker 9: my view in Parliament. The worst that had happened up

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Speaker 9: until then was a bar roh pen I think, being

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Speaker 9: thrown at Jeffrey Palmer once. But I'll tell you what

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Speaker 9: in Parliament today, Jenta delivered the part of the Privilege's

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Speaker 9: decision that was required of her in the slap on

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Speaker 9: the wrist with the wet bus ticket.

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Speaker 12: Here she is, I apologize unreservedly for my conduct in

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Speaker 12: the House on the evening of the first of May

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Speaker 12: twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 8: That's it.

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Speaker 9: And I'll tell you what. There are people I've talked

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Speaker 9: to in Parliament about this today, and there are people

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Speaker 9: who believe that she should have not only been censured

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Speaker 9: what she has been, she should have been penalized as well.

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Speaker 9: And what they can do is suspend them from the

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Speaker 9: House saved for a week and they suspend their wages

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Speaker 9: for a week as well. That's what should have happened

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Speaker 9: here because that was unruly in the extra.

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Speaker 3: It's a red card speaking about talking to people from Parliament.

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Speaker 3: You were talking to Jerry Browne over the course of today,

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Speaker 3: could a bit of argie bargie about him and the

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Speaker 3: pelpins and insignia and all this sort of thing, and

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Speaker 3: he's falling out with David Seymour.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Well, the interesting thing is here that the point that

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Speaker 9: I think the Speaker would make is that look, la pelpins,

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Speaker 9: they're very small, they're inoffensive and you remember John Key

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Speaker 9: always wore a silver fan on his lapel. Yeah, but

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Speaker 9: that wasn't a political statement. The Act one is. And

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Speaker 9: the point that Jerry Browne made, and he makes the

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Speaker 9: rules around Parliament, is entirely within his right to do that.

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Speaker 9: He said political logos in Parliament should be banned totally.

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Speaker 9: Now it seems I guess penny pinching. But you know,

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Speaker 9: if you make one rule, it's got to be abided by.

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Speaker 9: And I think Act you know, they're obviously trying to

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Speaker 9: get under the Speaker's skin and are succeeding, I think,

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Speaker 9: But really it sounded draconian to me. But you can

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Speaker 9: understand the reasons why.

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Speaker 3: Very so lovely to have you back. It is now

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Speaker 3: seven to five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic Asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 19: The Weirdestone Parliament, Karen Tchua ended up in tears, claiming

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Speaker 19: she's been bullied. Head of the Egg Party's David Symourho's

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Speaker 19: with us.

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Speaker 20: Karen, as you know, has been advancing the reforms which

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Speaker 20: take out the requirements of raung A Tameriki to put

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Speaker 20: the treaty ahead of anything else. We want children's welfare

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Speaker 20: to be the number one issue. We don't want these

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Speaker 20: reverse uplifts so you can get taken out of her

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Speaker 20: household because her parents are supposedly the wrong race. Karen

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Speaker 20: has copped a lot of flak for that. If they

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Speaker 20: want to argue the policy, go for it. It's the

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Speaker 20: personalized at texts about her race and background and her

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Speaker 20: upbringing really is just as unacceptable.

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Speaker 19: Back tomorrow at six am, the mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 19: the Rain Drive of the Laugh News.

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Speaker 4: Talk z B.

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Speaker 3: After the News so just about eight minutes away, we're

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Speaker 3: talking to the CEO of Transpower. They've done a report

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Speaker 3: onto the pylon. There's nothing in the report about compensation.

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Speaker 3: I will ask them about compensation. Do you think compensation

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Speaker 3: should be paid? And if so who Transpower all or

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Speaker 3: the contractor XI com Now, Ragnell writes, Transpower need to

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Speaker 3: provide compensation. They have a project manager or delivery manager

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Speaker 3: managing the contract and the contractor transpoer also have job

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Speaker 3: assessors that visit worksites. The onus is on them to

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Speaker 3: ensure the contractors are competent. Thank you, Ragnal. Another Ben says, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that Pilon issue seems very unfair to authan. If my

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Speaker 3: apprentice test drove and crashed your car, would you just accept, oh,

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Speaker 3: sorry about that. He was an experienced apology and get

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Speaker 3: your bugged car back. No, what, It's sorted straight away,

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Speaker 3: and you be a fool not to have public library

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Speaker 3: to cover that. So, as far as Ben's concerned, the

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Speaker 3: contractor pay, So who will pay? We'll find out shortly

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Speaker 3: when Transpower is CEO. John Clark, not the comedian, joins

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Speaker 3: us to chat right after the news, which is next

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Speaker 3: on news Talks. Hereby young birth ten.

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Speaker 8: And twenty nine under Pink Skyes.

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Speaker 2: You taught them to enjoy the only drive show you

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Speaker 2: can trust.

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Speaker 1: To ask the questions, get the answers by the facts,

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Speaker 1: and give the analysis. Andrew dickens on hither due to

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Speaker 1: see Allen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected

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Speaker 1: News Talk ZIBB.

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Speaker 3: This good afternoon. Heather's on leave back on Monday. I'm

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Speaker 3: Andrew Dickens. So Transpower has released the full investigation into

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Speaker 3: how the Northern Power pylon fell over back in June,

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Speaker 3: causing widespread electricity outages that cost sixty million dollars in

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Speaker 3: lost business. The report finds it's because of insufficient supervision

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Speaker 3: of an inexperienced worker. Too many bolts were then removed

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Speaker 3: from the tower, causing it to topple over which we

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Speaker 3: all knew we saw the photos. Now there will be

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Speaker 3: numerous calls for Transpower to provide compensation as the outage

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Speaker 3: cost that sixty million dollars to the Northern economy. So

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Speaker 3: well they or won't they? So I'm joined now by

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Speaker 3: Transpowers Acting Chief Executive John Clark. Hello John, Hello Andy Gee.

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Speaker 3: This was a beginner's mistake, wasn't it?

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Speaker 7: As we said, well, you weren't able to comprehend how

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Speaker 7: our mix on a contract we've used a lot and

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Speaker 7: good work for us could end up the situation with

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Speaker 7: the crew without sufficient training or supervision that resulted in

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Speaker 7: a worker removing more nuts from fretail legt.

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Speaker 3: No, it's incredible. I mean, do you provide you know,

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Speaker 3: before the contract to start doing the work. Do you

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Speaker 3: provide a manual this is how you actually do this?

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Speaker 3: Did you ever provide any written statement that said, whatever

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Speaker 3: you do, don't do that mut.

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Speaker 7: We don't specify how many nuts should be removed or

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Speaker 7: the order they are removed in We set out the

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Speaker 7: high level requirement that we want the service provider to achieve,

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Speaker 7: and then we lead them to plan the work in

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Speaker 7: a way that is both safe and efficient. So they

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Speaker 7: and that's practice for a lot of things. We employee

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Speaker 7: met them and other service siders because they are experts

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Speaker 7: and how to deliver work.

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Speaker 3: All right. So omic Tom is an independent contractor. They're

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Speaker 3: actually quite a big company their owned overseas. They're worth

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Speaker 3: about five billion euros apparently, so they've got a bit

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Speaker 3: of ding. They're doing work on behalf of you. You've

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Speaker 3: got a contract you've asked them to do the work.

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Speaker 3: The one thing that this report does not include is

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Speaker 3: who may or may not pay compensation. So whose responsibility

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Speaker 3: would it be to pay compensation to the good people

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Speaker 3: of Northland who had to shut down.

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Speaker 10: For the day.

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Speaker 7: Well, firstly, apologize again to people of Northland for the

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Speaker 7: disruption that happened as a result of the sauvage. They

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Speaker 7: have had a tough time and it was just another

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Speaker 7: thing as part of the experiences they had had. And

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Speaker 7: we really appreciate the way that our partners up there

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Speaker 7: and others collaborated to help us use the backup supply

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Speaker 7: for about two and a half days to get people

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Speaker 7: before we could get people up running properly. Utilities like electricity,

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Speaker 7: water gas, there is no arrangement where we guarantee supply

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Speaker 7: to be able to gar These utilities are subject to

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Speaker 7: things like storm, flood or manner of environmental challenges. The

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Speaker 7: infrastructure spread out of a wide area, there will be

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Speaker 7: occasional equipment failures and rarely that sometimes human errors. The

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Speaker 7: frameworks we've worked in today do not provide for reinvestment

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Speaker 7: when full service is not available. So that's the model

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Speaker 7: that we have at the prizes, I say to not Hony,

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Speaker 7: to electricity, to water, guess other utilities even available here voting.

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Speaker 3: Well, that may be what's in your contract, but that

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Speaker 3: doesn't win you any friends. I know that north and

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Speaker 3: MP Grant McCallum says providing compensation for the incident is

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Speaker 3: the least you could do. So what do you say

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Speaker 3: to him and the good people of north Land.

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Speaker 7: We've met and talked with Grant McCallum. I'm not sure

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Speaker 7: if he's made comments about compensation, but we certainly talked

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Speaker 7: with him about what we can do in the Northland community,

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Speaker 7: and we will be talking with other leaders service and

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Speaker 7: may make an announcement of how we can commute support the

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Speaker 7: community in some way given the challenges that data taste.

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Speaker 3: He says. The MP says it's good to see you

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Speaker 3: accepting the findings of the report on your power pile

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Speaker 3: on failure and acknowledging the harm it does to Northanders,

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Speaker 3: but he says we're left waiting for Transpower to take

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Speaker 3: responsibility for their actions. To you feel you're taking responsibility

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Speaker 3: for your actions.

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Speaker 7: As noted, we've apologized for the inconvenience and said this

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Speaker 7: event should not occur. We've taken a number of actions

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Speaker 7: to make sure it does not occur again, including requirements

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Speaker 7: around our service providers. This work begins again because if

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Speaker 7: we want to make sure they can do it safely

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Speaker 7: and in a way that does not put the power

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Speaker 7: system at list. Well.

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Speaker 3: Imixem is, as I say, a big international company with

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Speaker 3: deep pockets as well, and they made a critical mistake

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Speaker 3: which screwed up the business of a lot of Northenders.

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Speaker 3: Have you thought about hitting them up for providing some

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Speaker 3: compensation for the bad work that they did.

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Speaker 7: Well, we've completed our review, which gets does identify the

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Speaker 7: actions of the workers a maxim are doing their review,

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Speaker 7: which we'll go a little bit further, we hope into

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Speaker 7: just understanding what may have gone wrong in terms of

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Speaker 7: processes and controls and even behaviors that got to where

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Speaker 7: they are. In addition to that, we have a separate

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Speaker 7: review by the Electricity Authority requested by the Minister of Energy,

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Speaker 7: and I think when we look at all those reviews,

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Speaker 7: we may know more about just how the event came

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Speaker 7: to be and what the consequences are.

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Speaker 3: All right, John, thank you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 3: John Clark has transpowers acting chief executive. And how do

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Speaker 3: you feel about that? There is no compensation nothantime. So sorry,

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Speaker 3: the power we end off, some fall forgot to put

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Speaker 3: in the things. No one's taking responsibility, No money, no money.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel? The word weasel, weezer, weasel, weasel

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Speaker 3: comes to mind. It is now thirteen minutes after five.

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Speaker 3: All right, the police are uptight and upset, and in

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Speaker 3: fact they're said to be fuming over the very light

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Speaker 3: sentences handed down to fifteen people who were busted at

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Speaker 3: an anti myth operation Hawks Bay and Gisborne. Operation Horizon

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Speaker 3: was carried out back in twenty twenty one, and one

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Speaker 3: of those arrested was Aria Hubbard, a major player in

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Speaker 3: the meth supply chain for the Mango Marbin wide raw.

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Speaker 3: Only five of the people arrested got jail time, only five,

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Speaker 3: and Aria Hubbard was not one of those five. And

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Speaker 3: Chris Carhill as she joins us now as the Police

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Speaker 3: Association president.

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Speaker 6: Hello Chris, that's and Andrew.

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Speaker 3: How do you run a meth supply chain for the

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Speaker 3: Mungo marb and dodge jail time?

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Speaker 6: What this is the problem we've got? We're talking about

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Speaker 6: top indetender is here. We're not saying everyone should go

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Speaker 6: to jail and lock them up the key, but it's

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Speaker 6: the top end staffam. And what we're saying is the

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Speaker 6: discounts that applied. I'll give you a really bad example.

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Speaker 6: We've got one recently that significant high end criminal importing

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Speaker 6: four kre those of men, and the judge to Cropt

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Speaker 6: has described it as significant high end starting point of

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Speaker 6: twelve years, gave twenty five percent off for guilty plea

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Speaker 6: after three years, twenty percent for cultural report, ten percent

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Speaker 6: for addiction issues, ten percent for impact that have on family,

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Speaker 6: ten percent for a brain injury, seventy five percent discount

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Speaker 6: through in another twelve months because they've been on aletrant vale.

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Speaker 6: That twelve year starting point went to twelve months home.

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Speaker 3: D well, Okay, well, hey, chriss costumers. It does frustrate,

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Speaker 3: It frustrate to everybody. Let's talk about area. Actually, let's

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Speaker 3: talk about that one starting point eight years. The judge

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Speaker 3: was Bridget Macintosh. Then given a twenty five percent Discountcracy

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Speaker 3: pleaded guilty. Fifteen percent discount for a deprived upbringing, even

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Speaker 3: though I thought cultural reports were gone, but it doesn't

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Speaker 3: seem so fifteen percent discount for rehabilitations. He'd undertaken ten

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Speaker 3: percent discount for the direct imprisonment or the impact imprisonment

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Speaker 3: would have on her for children, And so the sentence

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Speaker 3: went from eighty four months to twenty nine months.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, it looks like judges do as much as they

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Speaker 21: can to get it down to the range where they

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Speaker 21: can then give home to tention and at some stages

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Speaker 21: ignoring that it's not about all about the offender.

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Speaker 6: It's got to be about the deterrent, especially when the

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Speaker 6: harm mess doing in society. I mean, bastes like wire

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Speaker 6: are wrecked by the me that's the harm, the family harm,

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Speaker 6: the curves into distress, all those sorts of things.

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Speaker 3: That can I ask you one last question, though, were

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Speaker 3: they directed to do all these discounts, well, have they

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Speaker 3: come up with this idea on their own?

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Speaker 6: I think the clear direction about reducing the number of

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Speaker 6: people in prisons and limiting them to violent offenses and

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Speaker 6: sex offenses, and so drug dealers are getting the benefit

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Speaker 6: of that sort of direction. That's why I'm supportive of

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Speaker 6: the move to reduce the amount of discatching give to

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Speaker 6: forty percent. And we'd like to see that.

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Speaker 3: Low past all right, Chris, I thank you. That must

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Speaker 3: be frustrating. Chris Carhill from the Police Association at sixteen

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Speaker 3: minutes after five. Ryan Fox Tea's off at seven twenty

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Speaker 3: two tonight. But the big thing is rowing. Emma Twigg

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Speaker 3: is in the single skulls. She's in a semi that's

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Speaker 3: happening at seven thirty pm, and we're in a final.

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Speaker 3: Cox is fourth that's at ten past ten. Gosh, I

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Speaker 3: wish we had somebody who knew about rowing to talk to.

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Speaker 3: Eric Murray is next news, talk to it b Well,

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Speaker 3: there is the chance for more medals this evening in Paris.

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Speaker 3: The rowers are back in action and we're good at

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Speaker 3: rowing men's and doubles, men's and women's double skulls finals

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Speaker 3: alongside the men's and women's coxes four's finals as well.

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Speaker 3: Eric Murray's been there, Eric Murray's won that. Eric Murray's

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Speaker 3: with me now. Hello Eric, Thanky day, Andrew, how are

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Speaker 3: you very good? Brook Francis and Lucy Spores in the

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Speaker 3: double skull women and it says final A. What is

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Speaker 3: final A mean? Versus final?

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Speaker 17: Well and rowing we have we race everything very similar

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Speaker 17: to the rugby sevens, where you race all the way

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Speaker 17: down to get a ranking.

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Speaker 14: So if you're in the.

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Speaker 17: Final AM means you're in the top six and you

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Speaker 17: get the chance for the medals. If you're in a

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Speaker 17: Final B then you're sort of seven to twelve, And

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Speaker 17: if you're in a final seed and you're thirteen to eighteen,

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Speaker 17: I'll try and do my maths. So that's basically what

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Speaker 17: that's just how rowing too minology?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Brook Francis and Lizzie Spores could win a gold.

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Speaker 4: The absolutely good.

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Speaker 17: I think at the moment going on.

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Speaker 4: Taper, they're the fastest qualifiers.

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Speaker 17: And I think they're finding themselves probably in a position

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Speaker 17: that they wouldn't have thought that they would be. You know,

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Speaker 17: two mothers who have been revolutionizing training to be able

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Speaker 17: to look after their children, you know, and being able

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Speaker 17: to work together.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a.

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Speaker 17: Fabulous story and what they've been able to achieve to

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Speaker 17: get to this point is pretty special. So you know,

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Speaker 17: they have an absolute, very very good chance of winning.

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Speaker 3: At nine to eighteen PM and has followed directly at

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Speaker 3: nine thirty by Robbie Vnson and Jordan Parry, and they're

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Speaker 3: in the double skulls men in Final A as well.

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Speaker 3: How about their chances.

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Speaker 17: I think that they would be very very.

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Speaker 4: Happy if they could pick up a medal.

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Speaker 17: I don't think they're going to win the Dutch Brew's

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Speaker 17: being one of the standouts. You know, they did get

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Speaker 17: third in their semi finals, so on paper you'd argue

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Speaker 17: to say they're fifth or sixth. But at the end

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Speaker 17: of the day, they're in a final. Have people cook

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Speaker 17: their goose trying to go a bit hard to make

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Speaker 17: it into you know, the finals. Who's pulled up well

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Speaker 17: after the racing, you know, a day ago. So there's

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Speaker 17: a lot of factors into place. But if they won

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Speaker 17: a medal, I'd be very very happy for them. But

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Speaker 17: on paper they're just going to be potentially off the pace.

871
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 17: But you know what, fingers crossed, anything.

872
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: Can happen, all right. Ten Cox's four cruise women and men.

873
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 3: We've got the women going off at nine fifty and

874
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 3: the men going off at ten ten. Can either of

875
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 3: those crews do it?

876
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

877
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 17: I think our men they've probably got our charts of

878
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 17: winning a gold medal. They have shown themselves throughout the season.

879
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 17: They have been the fastest qualified through the heat. But obviously,

880
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 17: you know we're now in finals, racing depending on the

881
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 17: conditions where the crews are going to be brave and

882
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 17: go out and you know, literally throw kitchen sink it

883
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 17: trying to win. That'll be a wait and see. But

884
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 17: I think they're formed. They've been looking very very good.

885
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 17: They're getting coached by Emma Twiggs coach Mike Roger and

886
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 17: so yeah, so basically they've got a very good shot.

887
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 17: Now a woman on the other side, they're going to

888
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 17: be fighting for the bronze. At the stage, you know,

889
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 17: they they were second to the British. You know, on

890
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 17: the other side of the drawer, we've got very good

891
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 17: Dutch crew. So I think it's just about, you know,

892
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 17: if they can if they can put together the race

893
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 17: that they need to right and and this is what

894
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 17: happens in the Olympics, right, You've got to put the

895
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 17: race or the or the throw or the jump out there.

896
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: Eric, time is our enemy as it is. I've got

897
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: two more people to talk about. Emma Tweg you mentioned

898
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: her before, she's racing at seven thirty and Tom mcintized

899
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: our new singles skull Superstar, he's racing right after. So

900
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 3: both those athletes, how about their chances?

901
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think that they should skate through the semi

902
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 17: finals relatively unharmed. You know this is a semi final.

903
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 17: I think that all they have to do is make

904
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 17: sure they get in the top three and then they

905
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 17: can worry about the final when it comes good.

906
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: It's basically all it.

907
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 17: That's all I got to worry about.

908
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: And you have you got phone though, do you feel

909
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: do you think you sit there and going, oh look

910
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: at this this sort of say fan, I wish it

911
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: was there. Come on.

912
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 17: A little a little bit, mate, I've been I've been

913
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 17: on the other side of the fencer a little bit now.

914
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 4: But no.

915
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 17: The only the only folmer I've got is effect that

916
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 17: the tad wouldn't open up any odds on the rowing

917
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 17: because I could have put my house.

918
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 3: You know what you need to do now that you're retired.

919
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: You need to go over and help me, he Drysdale

920
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: and tell it, don't mate. You could be the deputy there.

921
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: You could be the deputy there.

922
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 14: Little down a modern to political.

923
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 3: Good boy thy twenty four. This is newsalk B. That's

924
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: Eric Murray, the name you.

925
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: Trust to get the answers you need.

926
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on Heather Duplicy, Alan Drive with one New Zealand,

927
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

928
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: Transpart does not want to play compensations and orthans and

929
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: they said it time and time again twenty minutes ago

930
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 3: on this radio station talking to me. So Dan's come in.

931
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: He said it was not an act of God or

932
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: an accident, but pure and competence. They need to pay in.

933
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: The lawyers have decided to get stuck in as well.

934
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: Kathy's come in. She says, contractually it is common to

935
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: include force measure as an exclusion for liability. However this

936
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 3: is not the case with negligence, incompetence or malicious intent.

937
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 3: Should these be proven. We know it's negligence, they've said

938
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: it's negligence. In Kathy's opinion, Northland should be entitled to

939
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: some compensation. And someone says something that popped into my

940
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 3: mind while the air brake was on. Immediately us action

941
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 3: against Transpower comes to mind, and I wonder whether the

942
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: Northland business is affected by this. Are up for that

943
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: sort of thing, because it sounds like Transpower is not

944
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 3: willing to not willing to buckle. I would have thought

945
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: the contractor might be sitting there going this is a

946
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: chance to get some very good pr I would have

947
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: thought Transpower would have known the right thing to do

948
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: for the people of Northland, but they didn't. So new

949
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: report out about what happened to Malachi Subitch and what's

950
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 3: been happening in terms of our treatment of children. It's

951
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 3: got no better, got no better? Are we surprised? More

952
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: on this coming up right afternoons and sport which.

953
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 5: Is next tenha, don't backing?

954
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 9: Love me too?

955
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 2: My are this town our WestEd You are there all alone.

956
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart and in your

957
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: car on your drive home it's Andrew dickens on hither

958
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: duple see Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get

959
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: connected and new talk sid be.

960
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: It's a very cruel summer for hated wild goodness me,

961
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 3: what what a race? That was A billion people watching

962
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: that race? A million people. I didn't mean to watch

963
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: the whole race, but you just start and then you

964
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: go look at that. Oh he stuffed it up. No

965
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 3: he hasn't. No he's won it. Oh no, suddenly he hadn't.

966
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 3: So anyway. One in the Olympics a few minutes time

967
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: with the huddle. On the huddle, Simon Wilson, famous athlete

968
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 3: and even more famous athlete Bent Thomas will be join

969
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 3: USD to talk this sort of thing.

970
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 2: Zibby.

971
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 3: Okay, we've had another damning report into our child protection system.

972
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 3: This one's from the Independent Children's Monitor and they've looked

973
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: at the movement in the system since totaling a five

974
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 3: year old Malachi Shabech was murdered by his care and

975
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: now that happened three years ago. This report has found

976
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 3: absolutely no subsequent recommendations have been implemented by the children's agencies,

977
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: and Orang Tamariki, and Oranga Tamariki is being forced to

978
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 3: make decisions on staff availability rather than prioritizing at child safety.

979
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: So Aaron Jones is the chief executive at the Independent

980
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: Children's Monitor and he joins me, Now.

981
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 6: Hello, Eron, Hey you Orr Andrew.

982
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 3: How frustrating is it to write reports that nobody listens to.

983
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's disappointing. You know, when Dame Caroen asked us

984
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 6: to do this review, we'd hope to see more progress

985
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 6: than us. Here's disappointing not to have seen that.

986
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: And so you're not surprised in any way, shape or form.

987
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 6: I don't think surprised I'd actually hoped we would have

988
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 6: seen some change. I mean, the things that Dame Kraen identified,

989
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 6: the gaps and recommendations, these aren't you. And you said

990
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 6: onto a couple of decades of children being murdered, reviews

991
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 6: being done, recommendations made. So the issues she's raised aren't you.

992
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 6: We just need to see some action now, Okay.

993
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: So who's responsible for not taking action? Because that's basically

994
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 3: what your report has ended out saying. Rather than looking at,

995
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 3: you know, at the improvements, it's looking at what hasn't happened.

996
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 3: Who is responsible for nothing?

997
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 6: Look, you know, the recommendations ask agencies to take action,

998
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 6: but some of these things also require government decisions and

999
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,959
Speaker 6: potentially legislation to be passed. So there's a number of players.

1000
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 10: In this game.

1001
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: Okay, Well one of them is alling in Tamariki and

1002
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 3: this this report comes out that they're making decisions on

1003
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 3: staff availability rather than prioritizing a child safety. So why

1004
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 3: are they making such decisions?

1005
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 6: But what the report shows is that they're under pressure.

1006
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 6: You've got a lot of reports of concern coming to them.

1007
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 6: These are then going out to their sites and unfortunately

1008
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 6: the social work is having to make tough decisions and

1009
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 6: what you see is inconsistent threshold around the country in

1010
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 6: terms of when they can take action, and it's unduly

1011
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 6: influenced by the number of staffs that are available in

1012
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 6: those sites.

1013
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 3: Whenever these sorts of things come up, we start hearing

1014
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 3: about a lack of money, But do we have a

1015
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 3: skill shortage? Do we actually have the people who are

1016
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 3: competent to actually do these rather complex social interventions.

1017
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 6: Well, one of the things that we spoke to on

1018
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 6: on a tun of easy staff on the front line

1019
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 6: and what's the national office. There was concerns about, you know,

1020
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 6: whether they could get the staff and.

1021
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 10: To do the work.

1022
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 6: Summer sites told us that they were told they couldn't

1023
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 6: hire staff. But we've also heard that there's a real

1024
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 6: shortage of social workers available to fill positions and that

1025
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 6: you have a number of vacancies that they haven't felt.

1026
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 3: I bet they've got lots of managers. Here's a question

1027
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 3: for you. You know, the big debate is about Health

1028
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: New Zealand and whether the men you're heavy but no

1029
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 3: front lane stuff? Is it the same for a tamariki

1030
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 3: and other agencies. They've got lots of people who who

1031
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: talk about what to do but they've got nobody who

1032
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 3: can actually do it well.

1033
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 6: Like many agencies, at the moment, they are making decisions

1034
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 6: to remove positions in the back office and put them

1035
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 6: into the front line, and we yet to see what

1036
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 6: difference it will make. But our organization is there to

1037
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 6: continue going out to see what impacts this might have

1038
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 6: and whether some of these issues are being addressed. And

1039
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 6: that's why although we've done this report today, we're going

1040
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 6: to come back in twelve months and see what difference

1041
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 6: may have been made by them.

1042
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 3: If you had a different hat on, if you were

1043
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 3: in charge, what would you do.

1044
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 6: That's a really good question. Look, Dan Karen did say

1045
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 6: that these are difficult issues to grapple with, but like

1046
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 6: I said, they've been around for a while. I think

1047
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 6: it's bigger than just looking at all a tamariki as

1048
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 6: looking at the whole system. We need a really good,

1049
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 6: well funded supported community sector because often it's NGO's Maori

1050
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 6: EV providers that can actually get there through the front door.

1051
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 6: But when they he concerns, when they see young children

1052
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 6: in need, they need to be able to report to

1053
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 6: or Ana Tamarigi and know that they will respond.

1054
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 3: All right, Aaron I, thank you so much. Aaron is

1055
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: from the Independent Children's Monitor. He is the chief executive

1056
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 3: of The report was written by Dame Karen Potassi and

1057
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 3: it was written following the death of Malachae su Bitch,

1058
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 3: and she found that children are no safer now than

1059
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 3: where Malachi died three years ago. It is eighteen to six.

1060
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty on Parallel

1061
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 1: Reach and Results.

1062
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: So on the Huddle today we have been Thomas and

1063
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 3: Simon Wilson joins us. Hello both you gentlemen. How are

1064
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: you today?

1065
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 14: Are there?

1066
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 22: Andrew?

1067
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 16: Hi?

1068
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 4: Ben Kyoto great today, your big your pardon, doing great today.

1069
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 3: Doing great today. I thought you were saying I was

1070
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 3: at work today. I was going to say, well, I'm

1071
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 3: very much hope he means the same thing, very much hope.

1072
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 3: This has been Thomas, who, by the way, is absolutely

1073
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 3: obsessed right now with Susie Wiles, but not but not

1074
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 3: the Susie Wiles that we know and love.

1075
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,479
Speaker 4: I just do a double take every time I see

1076
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 4: comments attributed to the Donald Trump campaign in America attributed

1077
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 4: to Susie Wilde just spelled in a different tradition.

1078
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 3: The it's traditional Susie as well, not the Susie like

1079
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 3: Susie and the Bandshes Look, I'm joking around, but we've

1080
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 3: just had a very very serious interview about how nothing

1081
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 3: happened in three years. It's the death of a child,

1082
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 3: and frankly, I have covered there so many years where

1083
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: I we do a report, we have worthy words, and

1084
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: then nothing happens. Simon, Yeah, there are a.

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Speaker 15: Couple of things I think came out of that interview,

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Speaker 15: just to with Aaron Jones. One of the points that

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Speaker 15: strikes me is that it must be getting hard for

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Speaker 15: Aroung and Tamareiki now to keep employing finding social workers

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Speaker 15: to employ because the agency gets so demonized and they

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Speaker 15: get blamed for so much. And I'm not saying that

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Speaker 15: they're all doing it perfectly, but that they are in

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Speaker 15: the ride, in the firing line every time everything goes wrong,

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Speaker 15: and yet we know it's an underfunded in many ways

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Speaker 15: disrupt the agency is prodomly. And the second issue is

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Speaker 15: is there a better example anywhere of the nonsense that

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Speaker 15: if you take out back off of staff and put

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Speaker 15: them into the front line, you're making things better. A

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Speaker 15: wrong Tamariki needs to be able to record what it

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Speaker 15: does so that it knows this child who is at risk,

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Speaker 15: it's got the records for them. And that is back

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Speaker 15: office work. That is paperwork that has to be done.

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Speaker 3: Now I understand to keep those records, so I remember

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Speaker 3: at the same time, you can't record something if you

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Speaker 3: don't have the person who's actually doing something that you

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Speaker 3: can record.

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Speaker 4: So what do you think, Ben, Well, I mean, look,

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Speaker 4: there are back office staff who aren't doing any recording

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Speaker 4: and aren't doing much of valuating and you know, having

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Speaker 4: a lot of meetings and a lot of zoom calls.

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Speaker 4: On the other hand, you know that that is pretty

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Speaker 4: marginal in terms of the issue that we're confronting as

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Speaker 4: a nation and perpetually. I think Simon made a good point.

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Speaker 4: You know, in the sector that I work in, communications

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Speaker 4: on a timbody, he pays you know, well above you know,

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Speaker 4: the kind of market rates, because otherwise they can't get

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Speaker 4: anyone who would want to front those stories to the

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Speaker 4: media day day in, day out. You know, it is

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Speaker 4: it's a workplace with a very high rate of attrition.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's a very punishing environment, you know, on

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Speaker 4: the front line. And you know, if I mean, if

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Speaker 4: if you could take one silt the lining out of it.

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Speaker 4: I know there was a bit of debate about the

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Speaker 4: Independent Children's monitor and whether it would you know, have

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Speaker 4: the kind of teeth can compare to sort of the

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Speaker 4: Children's Commissioner. On the other hand, you know, look at

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Speaker 4: it things that we can still get the same results

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Speaker 4: we've had in the past, which is pointing out that

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Speaker 4: you know, things don't seem to be particularly improving.

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Speaker 3: No, they're not improving, you know, and can a government

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Speaker 3: agency really improve actually the behavior of New Zealanders as

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Speaker 3: you know, I sometimes I just think it's just worthy

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Speaker 3: words which we do to salve our conscience, and then

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Speaker 3: nothing really really happens. Occasionally you get a saint who'll

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Speaker 3: come in and save some stuff in a case or

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Speaker 3: two or three.

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Speaker 15: Well this is where where sorry I've gone. Okay, we're

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Speaker 15: one week after the report of the Royal Commission to

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Speaker 15: Abuse some care and there's lessons for us. It feels

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Speaker 15: to me like this is a moment now for us.

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Speaker 15: Of course, aroung A, TAMMERII or any one agency can't

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Speaker 15: change the culture, but the culture significantly clear has to change.

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Speaker 15: And it seems to me that one of the things

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Speaker 15: that came out of that inquiry was that there are

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Speaker 15: people who have survived that terrible abuse and have gone

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Speaker 15: on to be counselors to gond help others and communities

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Speaker 15: to not have to go through what they went through,

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Speaker 15: and they are the people we should be empowering now

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Speaker 15: and saying and helping and being led by as we

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Speaker 15: have a societal turnaround.

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Speaker 3: Ben Thomas and Simon Wilson on the Huddle. It is

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Speaker 3: fourteen to six. We'll find out if these guys like Triathan.

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Speaker 1: Next the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Exceptional

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Speaker 1: marketing for every property.

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Speaker 3: Ben Thomas. Sun wasn't on the huddle, Ben, you've been

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Speaker 3: watching the Did you watch the triathon last night?

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Speaker 4: I saw bits of it. Last night was actually the

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Speaker 4: first night that I changed into the Olympics. So I

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Speaker 4: realized it was sort of something missing in my life,

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Speaker 4: which was which was being part of the monoculture again

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Speaker 4: and being part of a shared experience on television.

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Speaker 3: Well, what's what's missing in your life? Table tennis, beach, volleyball,

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Speaker 3: what you know?

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Speaker 4: Right? I discovered it might be handball, or it might

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Speaker 4: I like the idea of handball, which seems like sort of.

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Speaker 4: It seems like they get the kind of support crew

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Speaker 4: to play in between, you know, the real sports.

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Speaker 3: It's like football but just a bit crapoht.

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Speaker 14: Of like basketball a bit difficult. How about have we

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Speaker 14: made the four hundred times?

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Speaker 3: That's so true, that's so true. Simon talks about the

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Speaker 3: other it.

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Speaker 15: I found the triathlon last night thrilling. I did watch

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Speaker 15: the whole thing, you.

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Speaker 4: Know what I called it.

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Speaker 3: I caught it the best movie that Sky has ever played.

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Speaker 15: And my wife went to bed halfway through, and she

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Speaker 15: would have heard me, you know, through the wall, calling

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Speaker 15: out no, no, no.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It was such a They weren't covering it.

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Speaker 8: They weren't.

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Speaker 15: That was one so disappointing. They weren't keeping up with

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Speaker 15: what was happening exactly right.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's get onto the biggest story of the day.

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Speaker 3: Some people brought some food into a Pookakoe movie theater.

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Speaker 3: The people came along who owned the theaters, that you

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Speaker 3: can't do that here, and then the people went crazy

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Speaker 3: and started calling them racists and going all angry, and

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Speaker 3: then they got thrown out and trespass. So should you

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Speaker 3: Ben Thomas take food into a theater? Was the movie

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Speaker 3: cinema within their rights.

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm not going to stand here and pretend I

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Speaker 4: have never taken my own food into.

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Speaker 15: But I was wrong though, Ben right.

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Speaker 4: I think I think it's changed a little bit, you know,

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Speaker 4: in in the I mean, movies suddenly haven't become any cheaper,

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Speaker 4: but they you know, they the cinemas really are kind

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Speaker 4: of on the breadline these days. You know, people are

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Speaker 4: staying at home, they're watching Netflix, They're not going out,

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Speaker 4: you know. I think it's the theater manager said if

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Speaker 4: they if they don't sort of charge eight dollars for

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Speaker 4: you know, one Leader Center or whatever, no money, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's going out out of business. I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: the issue is that if you are going to bring

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Speaker 4: your own snacks, be a bit subtle about it. I mean,

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Speaker 4: there's no reason in the like, you know, at least

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Speaker 4: you're laying out a buffet. I don't know how you

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Speaker 4: get picked.

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Speaker 3: Up on it, be like Ben, smuggling your own snickers

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Speaker 3: in your socks.

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Speaker 15: But it's not an ethical issue, is it? Just to me,

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Speaker 15: it's very straightforward that retailers have the right to make

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Speaker 15: the rules around these problems. The reason exactly, and the

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Speaker 15: reason why places like that offer food and all the

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Speaker 15: rest is because that money they make from it is

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Speaker 15: vital to them, oh to their viability.

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Speaker 3: It's just like is it go to a restaurant, they

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Speaker 3: make the money off the drinks. Go to a cinema

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Speaker 3: and they make the money off the thing. So that's

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Speaker 3: the first thing. Then there's health safety regulations covering food

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Speaker 3: in the cinema, which they're not responsible for. If you're

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Speaker 3: bringing in your own egg sandwiches, it's their property, it's

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Speaker 3: their rules. And then the sneaky snackers when they got

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Speaker 3: called out, we're behaved disgustingly. So I think it's a

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Speaker 3: no brain. I can't believe there's a debate.

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Speaker 15: I think you're right about that, and you know it

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Speaker 15: is hard. Times are tough for everybody, but retailers need

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Speaker 15: to be supported.

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Speaker 3: And can I just ask, do you have to eat

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Speaker 3: within the two and a half hours? Can't you pre

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Speaker 3: load like we do when we're drinking.

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Speaker 15: You know, I think the answer is you do have to.

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Speaker 4: I would just say yes, but you know, the.

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Speaker 3: Opening of chip packets ruins my movies. Mate, just just

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Speaker 3: gobble up luger then come in.

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Speaker 4: It is I was watching I did go to a

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Speaker 4: quiet place, you know, the work thirty minutes and I

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Speaker 4: dipped by multi.

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Speaker 15: Ye Ben, you were that guy.

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Speaker 8: You will be always give that.

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Speaker 6: Shame.

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Speaker 3: Shame. That's the second time I've said shame to Ben Thomas.

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Speaker 3: Very nice.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Ben Thomas and Simon Wilson. This

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Speaker 3: is News Talk zib and it's coming up seven minutes to.

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Speaker 1: Six on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and

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Speaker 1: in your car on your drive home. Heather duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen drive with One New Zealand one Giant Leap for

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Speaker 1: Business News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Zibbi b If you preload food before the movie, you

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Speaker 3: run the risk of falling asleep. Good advice, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Texter Brian says, try taking your own alcohol into a pub.

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Speaker 3: Rules of rules. If you get caught, don't pleat dumb

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01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 3: end of story. I think the big thing is it

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01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 3: was their property. They said you've got to go. You

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01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 3: can't do that, the rules of rules, and the people

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01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 3: with n nahs at them absolutely crazy, started calling them

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Speaker 3: racist all sorts of Not only that they were stacked

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Speaker 3: full of food. They had a lot of food. It

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Speaker 3: wasn't just a snacker, it was a pack of stuff.

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Speaker 3: I just I just don't give people somehow, But there

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Speaker 3: we go.

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Speaker 23: I think I think it's said as well hot food

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Speaker 23: Andrew as well, there's a special circle of hell for

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Speaker 23: doing Oh.

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Speaker 3: My god, well that's right. Well, first of all, you've

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Speaker 3: got the crinkly food. You hate that, don't you? In

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Speaker 3: a quiet place? Ben Thomas? Hello, how dare he? But

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Speaker 3: then you've got the hot food, which.

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Speaker 23: Makes the wholes and I'm a smell you may as

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Speaker 23: well bring in microwave fish and those egg sandwiches you

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Speaker 23: were talking about.

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Speaker 3: Imagine that? All right? Okay, Now, by the way, don't

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Speaker 3: care about the food. Call me or my staff racist

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Speaker 3: and your trespass for sure. Listen, I think that there

1277
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Speaker 3: was a text that came through. Okay, Rod Duke, so

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Speaker 3: he's got this company, right, and it's called brisco Group,

1279
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Speaker 3: and the big thing Briscoes, which does the home weares.

1280
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Speaker 3: And of course you've got Rebel Sport. Guess what their

1281
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 3: sales are up. We've been hearing all these stories about

1282
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Speaker 3: retail being in the Dolgroens, but not Rod Duke and

1283
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Speaker 3: has come company. His sales are up. He's predicting a

1284
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 3: forty million dollar after tax profit. Later on, what is

1285
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 3: his secret? What is the magic trick? I will ask

1286
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Speaker 3: Rod Duke what that secret is. So if you're in

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Speaker 3: retailer and make sure you're listening, that interview is about

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Speaker 3: seven minutes away here on News Talks NB. That news

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Speaker 3: is next.

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Speaker 18: Light away.

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Speaker 1: I stucket the body of running out the way.

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Speaker 2: The world shame, don't you mean the same?

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Speaker 1: We're Business Insight the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and

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Speaker 1: My hr on new stalks be.

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Speaker 4: As good to you.

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Speaker 3: Welcome on, and it is the first of August. It's

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Speaker 3: a mixed up, upside down world when economists are hoping

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Speaker 3: for more unemployment. The employment figures are out later this week,

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Speaker 3: so Liam Dan's joining me in about nine minutes. Time

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Speaker 3: to talk about this later. Jamie McKay on the worrying

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Speaker 3: news that China's getting quite good at farming cows. The

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Speaker 3: first Let's go to Brisco's or Brisco should I say?

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Speaker 3: And despite consumer spending being down, Brisco Group has managed

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Speaker 3: to power through, posting record half year sales. It's twenty

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Speaker 3: six week half year sales to the end of July

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Speaker 3: reached three hundred and seventy two point one million, which

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Speaker 3: is a point seven to seven percent increase in the

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Speaker 3: same period, ladst year, the group's home were sales that's

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Speaker 3: Brisco's also increased point two eight percent over the period.

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Speaker 3: Sporting goods that's Rebel Sport that went up one point

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Speaker 3: five to eight percent. So Rod Duke is the group

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Speaker 3: managing director of Brisco Group, and he joins.

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Speaker 2: Me, Now, good evening to your Rod evening, Andrew.

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Speaker 3: Now, what's the magic trick make? Everybody in retail wants

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Speaker 3: to know how you can make money?

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Speaker 10: Look, Look, it is true, it's very, very difficult out

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Speaker 10: there at the moment. I think the numbers you're seeing

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Speaker 10: from us is probably more about a market share shift

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Speaker 10: to the two brands that I have, both Priscos and

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Speaker 10: Rebel Sport, rather than increased customers. They're just seem to

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Speaker 10: be switching their purchasing patterns as across to our brands.

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Speaker 3: Well, then, once again, what's the secret. What makes Brisco

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Speaker 3: better than any other homeware supply? What makes Rebel Sport

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Speaker 3: better than any other sporting supplier?

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Speaker 10: Look, I guess it's all about selling high quality products

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Speaker 10: at real good prices. That's where we've sat for many,

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Speaker 10: many years. It's the strategy is unchanged, and when we

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Speaker 10: do that, we tell a lot of people that we're

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Speaker 10: going to do it.

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Speaker 3: So is that what you'd say to Paul and Liz Blackwell,

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Speaker 3: who bought Torpedo seven off the Warehouse Group for a dollar?

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Speaker 10: No, I know paulygant that team pretty well. Look, they'll

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Speaker 10: probably they'll probably do okay out of that, but they're

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Speaker 10: in a slightly different category than we are.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, you also said you're not going to produce a

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Speaker 3: net profit above tax above last year's forty two point

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Speaker 3: seven million. We all know the good thing about you

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Speaker 3: as your company is pretty cast rich. So where do

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Speaker 3: you think you're going to end out eventually?

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Speaker 10: Oh, well, we know pretty much where we're going to

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Speaker 10: end up. For the half year. It's going to be

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Speaker 10: forty million and change, which is going to be about

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Speaker 10: ninety four to ninety five percent of last year. What

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Speaker 10: happens at the end of year our interview ends in January.

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Speaker 10: Where that ends up largely depends on the market. You know,

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Speaker 10: we're hopeful to get the same or a slightly better

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Speaker 10: number than last year, but we're just going to have

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Speaker 10: to wait and see.

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Speaker 3: And of course, the current manator is survive until twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Do you see a turnaround next year?

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Speaker 10: Look like the rest of the market. We're hoping, so Andrew,

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Speaker 10: But the need to see the green shoots first. I

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Speaker 10: think the suburbs need to feel a bit more secure

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Speaker 10: about their their outgoings. You know, the insurances, the wages

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Speaker 10: coming in, the inflation and the price of petrol, all

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Speaker 10: those costs that they're hitting the suburbs. Everyone's just just

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Speaker 10: worried about and housing interest rates of course.

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Speaker 3: Of course, of course. But of course, at the same time,

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Speaker 3: even while all that is happening, you still need sneakers,

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Speaker 3: and you still need fighting names and forks.

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Speaker 10: Well, yeah, we are in the staples business, even though

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Speaker 10: some would say sporting goods are not really staples there,

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Speaker 10: they're luxuries. That still sees me going pretty well.

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Speaker 3: Well, congratulations, right, and bring on the full year and

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Speaker 3: let's bring on a turnaround day.

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Speaker 10: Cheers mate, thank you.

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Speaker 3: So No he didn't tell us semantic secret source, did he, really?

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Speaker 3: Though he has been quite open about some of the

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Speaker 3: successors of this company in the past. The fact of

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Speaker 3: the matter is they have no debt, which is quite handy.

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Speaker 3: Really good on them for doing that. That means when

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Speaker 3: you see a profit of forty million dollars. That money

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Speaker 3: and other companies is going towards the debt and the

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Speaker 3: financing and all that sort of stuff. So it helps

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Speaker 3: if you have no debt. Other texts have come through well,

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Speaker 3: people talking about the no debt because he's been quite

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Speaker 3: proud about this. Colin says he has no debt. Servicing

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Speaker 3: costs means he can price competitively with products, providing a

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Speaker 3: better value for money proposition than other retailers. Damn and

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Speaker 3: the other person who I think Bill works in the

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Speaker 3: advertising industry says Briscoes and Rebel Sports success is partly

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Speaker 3: to do with the ad agency partner, Stanley Street. I'd

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Speaker 3: like to welcome Stanley Street to the program and feel

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Speaker 3: free to place Brisco's and Rebel Sports ads with this

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Speaker 3: radio station. And it is twelve minutes after sex. It's

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Speaker 3: a strange mixed up world when you've got economists going gee,

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Speaker 3: I hope we've got more unemployment in this country. And

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Speaker 3: that's what's happening right now. To explain more after the break,

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Speaker 3: Liam Dan.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicy

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Speaker 1: Ellen with them business hours.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to my HR the HR platform for SME on

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Speaker 2: US Talks B.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics. It's all

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Dickens and my HR the HR platform for SME

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Speaker 2: US Talks B.

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Speaker 3: It's a quarter part six no Welcome to the program

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Speaker 3: and New Zealand herold's business editor at largely and Dan Hello, William,

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Speaker 3: how are you today? Sorry? Is your microphone working? You said?

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Speaker 10: You hearing me?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely well done? Right, We've got fresh unemployment data. Now

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Speaker 3: there's a difference between so I should say data. There's

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Speaker 3: a difference between employment data and unemployment data, isn't there? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we get both.

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Speaker 24: Next week we find out how many jobs we've created

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Speaker 24: in this economy and how many have disappeared I guess,

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Speaker 24: or how many people have joined the doll cub would

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Speaker 24: be the the local way of putting in it.

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Speaker 3: And there's things like participation. That's what we talk about

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Speaker 3: participation in the world.

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Speaker 24: It's a rate participation rate.

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Speaker 8: We find out about.

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Speaker 24: Whether people are underemployed, so we're you know, people are

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Speaker 24: working part time but wanting to work more so, you know,

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Speaker 24: so they might not count as unemployed, but they may

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Speaker 24: not be getting the hours of work that they want,

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Speaker 24: and so that's you know, doing it tough as well.

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Speaker 3: And all of this has explained in linham Dan's marvelous

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Speaker 3: book called Barbecue. Yeah, so that you know what, which

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Speaker 3: give it a plag So we got fresh unemployment data

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Speaker 3: next week, and in a strange world, economists are hoping

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Speaker 3: that we have higher unemployment.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, what we expect is going higher.

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Speaker 8: It's just a weird scenario.

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Speaker 24: We're sort of cheering on a higher than expected unemployment rates.

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Speaker 24: So the reserve banks is four point six. If it's

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Speaker 24: higher than that, that's bad. It's bad for the or

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Speaker 24: people who lost their job. But it means that the

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Speaker 24: reserve Bank's more likely to put our interest rates down.

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Speaker 3: So that's good.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, that's right. And same would go for wage data,

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Speaker 24: which we get next week as well. So you know,

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Speaker 24: if it shows that we're still collectively getting a decent wage, right,

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Speaker 24: that's bad news. Weirdly, I mean, I don't know, you

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Speaker 24: can never it doesn't feel right to ever be cheering

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Speaker 24: higher unemployment. But when you look at what's expected through

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Speaker 24: this whole cycle is that unemployment will rise to about

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Speaker 24: five point five percent, it'd be nice if it came

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Speaker 24: in below that, so I'm still cheering for it to

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Speaker 24: come in below that. But if it's going to do that,

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Speaker 24: we need to see interest rates come down and the

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Speaker 24: economy perk up. So maybe it's better to have a

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Speaker 24: little bit of a shock in advance.

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Speaker 3: But you know, wage rises, what on earth are they?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm hearing from all sorts of sectors that

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Speaker 3: people are getting a bit more money, obviously, but when

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Speaker 3: you consider the level of inflation that has occurred over

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Speaker 3: the last two to three years, when they look at

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Speaker 3: the real terms of their reward, is that they're getting

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Speaker 3: paid less than we're paid three years ago in real terms.

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Speaker 8: Well, I've actually looked at that pretty closely too.

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Speaker 3: It's quite odd.

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Speaker 8: The wage, the hourly wage growth that.

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Speaker 24: They measure it has kind of kept up with inflation

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Speaker 24: on aggregate level. So you've got even you know, you

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Speaker 24: wouldn't even if you don't use CPI, if you include

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Speaker 24: interest rates and you look at the household living costs,

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Speaker 24: they've gone up about twenty three percent or so, and

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Speaker 24: so pretty much have wages, you know, across the time

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Speaker 24: since the beginning of the pandemic, which makes me wonder

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Speaker 24: what's going on because I sure don't know many people

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Speaker 24: like you say, you don't know many people who have

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Speaker 24: seen their wages go up that much.

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Speaker 3: I'm in an industry where there's a lot of fixed

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Speaker 3: term contracts, you know, so there's no adjustment for CPI

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Speaker 3: and that so all that.

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Speaker 24: Sort of I think younger people have had more mobility,

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Speaker 24: so that does those figures do capture people getting promotions,

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Speaker 24: shifting jobs, and getting better paying jobs, and so that

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Speaker 24: probably is something that younger people have been able to

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Speaker 24: take advantage of up until this point where unemployment is rising,

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Speaker 24: US oldies stuck in our long term jobs probably just

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Speaker 24: relying on what we get from this.

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Speaker 3: So this week we are hoping for a little bit

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Speaker 3: more unemployment and a little less wage growth. How weird? Weird? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much. Well off to the country in

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Speaker 3: a few moments time. Jamie mckaye is here.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: By the way, this is already having for Australians. Now

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Speaker 3: it's having for New Zealanders. Of course, after the death

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Speaker 3: of the hesbela commander in Beirut Lebanon tensines are high

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Speaker 3: in that part of the world, and now New Zealanders

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Speaker 3: and Lebanon have been urged to leave now. They do

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Speaker 3: not travel advisory, the highest of four levels of risk,

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Speaker 3: has been issued by the government website Safe Travel. So

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Speaker 3: if you're listening to us on iHeartRadio in Lebanon right

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Speaker 3: now and you're a KI, we get the hell out.

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Speaker 1: The Rural Report upon the Heather Duper se Eland Drive

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Speaker 1: with Handsko Foods New Zealand's Finest beef and Lamb.

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Speaker 3: Now to talk rule. We've got Jamie mckaye, host of

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Speaker 3: the Country and from the Country dot co Dot ends it. Hello,

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Speaker 3: Jamie Good Andrew Hewai.

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Speaker 14: Look, I'm wondering whether maybe someone should Dr Rad Carr,

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Speaker 14: the Climate Change Commissioner or the chairman and tell them

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Speaker 14: not to venture into rural New Zealand because he's ruffled

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Speaker 14: a few feathers today.

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Speaker 3: All right, so this is so you actually broke out

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Speaker 3: break down a little bit there. So this has kind

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Speaker 3: of changed Commission chair Dr Rod Carr, who says it

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Speaker 3: is not true to say pharmacy to wait for new

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Speaker 3: technology before they can lower their planet heating commissions. They

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Speaker 3: can do it now.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, well, it's interesting, he said, the idea that and

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Speaker 14: I hope you can hear me Andrew apologize for the reception.

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Speaker 14: He said, the idea that farmers have no tools and

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Speaker 14: must wait for new things before they can reduce emissions

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Speaker 14: is simply not true. We know different feeding practices are

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Speaker 14: associated with different emissions. We know different breeds and breed

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Speaker 14: with breeds within breeds are associated with different emissions. Now,

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Speaker 14: this got a strong rebuke from Mark Cameron, who's one

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01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 14: of the act agricultural spokespeople. He's also a Northland Kalkaki.

1514
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 14: He said, well, mister Carr, it's about time you visited

1515
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 14: rural New Zealand before making in accurate statements about on

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01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 14: farm practice. Has a thought for you, right, he writes,

1517
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 14: the Climate Change Commissioner should tell rural people what bovine

1518
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 14: breeds and what breeds within breeds. He's specifically talking about

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01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 14: that he states has such different emissions profiles. The rural

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Speaker 14: New Zealand is waiting with baited breath for the answer

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01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 14: to that one.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 14: So, look he's going out all guns blazing, doctor Rod.

1524
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 14: He's never been afraid to speak out. It'll be fair

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01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 14: to say he's probably not the post popular man in

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01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 14: rural New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Good seth, Look, this is starting to worry me. Development

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01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 3: of large scale dairy farms and forming feed prices are

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01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 3: driving China's raw milk production up and the official price down.

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01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:37,440
Speaker 3: They're getting good at this stuff.

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01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 14: Yeah, they are getting really good at it. And I've

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01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 14: been trading for a lot longer than us, and it's

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01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 14: a bit of a worry if they start moving some

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01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 14: of their production Andrew onto the world stage. Interestingly, that

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01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 14: the current price they are being paid in China at

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01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 14: the moment in New Zealand dollar equivalents about nine dollars

1537
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 14: per kilogram of milk solid, so it's still above ours,

1538
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 14: but their cost of production is quite a bit higher

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01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,679
Speaker 14: than ours of the because it's all it's mainly bought

1540
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 14: in feed, whereas our dairy system is pasture based. So

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01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 14: China's raw milk production's gone up one percent in May

1542
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 14: year on year, two point three percent growth in April,

1543
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 14: and we're looking at possibly because we're not sure of

1544
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 14: these numbers coming out of China eight point six percent

1545
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 14: per annum twenty twenty two, two point nine twenty twenty three.

1546
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 14: So their self sufficiency, this is the key number. Andrew

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01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 14: and Dairy has grown from seventy percent to eighty five

1548
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 14: percent in the past four years. You know, with these

1549
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,799
Speaker 14: low farm gate prices, China will quickly become a major

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01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 14: exporter of dairying around the world and that could cause

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01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 14: us some issues, not even to mention the market that

1552
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 14: where that that is being flooded with some of their products.

1553
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 3: And this also remind them that nearly mind ourselves, at

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01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 3: sixty percent of the New Zealand and formulam exports go

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01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 3: to China. But if they start being self sufficient, then

1556
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 3: we lose money.

1557
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 14: And a final thought on that one, Andrew, just following

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01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 14: on from your excellent number, is that we do have

1560
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 14: an FTA with China and that helps us because the

1561
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 14: other big players in the infant formula market are getting

1562
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,480
Speaker 14: hit hit harder than us, the likes of the Netherlands.

1563
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 14: So thank goodness for that FTA.

1564
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 3: With China, because Jamie go the rowers and I thank

1565
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 3: you for your time today. All the best, Buddy, so

1566
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 3: Yah News Talks B.

1567
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 1: Everything from SMS to the big corporates, The Business Hour

1568
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: with Andrew Dickens and my HR, the HR platform for

1569
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Speaker 1: SME US Talks B.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the.

1571
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 3: Program for the first of Augustants and the punts for

1572
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 3: the first of the month. I can't believe I'm doing

1573
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:47,520
Speaker 3: it that late off to the UK shortly with Vincent McAvennie,

1574
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 3: and after the Southport stabbing, of course there was a

1575
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 3: lot of misinformation and a whole lot of right wingers

1576
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 3: had a bit of a riot, It's fair to say

1577
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 3: outside mosts at Southport. Wouldn't you believe it? Despite the

1578
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 3: fact there's been much provisit about the level of misinformation

1579
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 3: about the case that stirred up the right wingers. The

1580
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 3: next night they had another riot, and this time outside

1581
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 3: Downing Street. So we'll talk to Vincent mcavenni about that

1582
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 3: situation and the growing unrest amongst the fire rights very shortly.

1583
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 3: But first I want to tell you about my day

1584
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 3: and then I'll get Paul Spain on to explain about

1585
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 3: my day. But my day it's lovely at the moment

1586
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,560
Speaker 3: doing it. I head this job because normally I do

1587
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 3: a breakfast show on a rock radio station called Gold.

1588
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 3: You should try it sometime. It's very good. And so

1589
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 3: I'm normally up early. I'm not you know, I don't

1590
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 3: get to sleep, and at the moment this week I'm

1591
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 3: not doing that show. I'm doing this show that means

1592
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 3: I sleep. I do some breakfasts and that's lovely. Read

1593
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 3: the newspaper, start thinking about what I'm going to say,

1594
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 3: go to the gym. So I went to the gym

1595
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 3: at eight o'clock today and I did a good hour

1596
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 3: and a half workout. And as I'm coming home, hot

1597
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 3: and sweaty and getting ready to get into it, have

1598
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 3: a shower and start writing stuff, I get an alert

1599
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 3: that's saying Microsoft Outlook is down. It's a global cyber attack.

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01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 3: It's involving microsofte me emails down. Therefore, we are working

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01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 3: with Microsoft on the problem. This caused me great consternation

1602
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 3: because how I write my stuff is on Microsoft word

1603
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 3: through Outlook and then share it with work on Google.

1604
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 3: So if I'm writing at home and I can't email

1605
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 3: myself and all that sort of thing, and I can't

1606
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 3: use the Google Home to actually sort of mirror the

1607
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 3: stuff back, how am I to get these bond mots

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01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 3: to myself? So I actually told my producer who phoned

1609
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 3: up and we're talking about I said, I'm going to

1610
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 3: stick it on my memory stick. I mean, you've got

1611
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 3: a memory stick and I've got a memory stick. You're

1612
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 3: not supposed to bring memory sticks in because you plug

1613
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:44,759
Speaker 3: them into computers, they bring in viruses or viray whatever. Anyway,

1614
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 3: I put a memory stick and I was thinking about

1615
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 3: that and then we figured out how to get service back.

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01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 3: So joining me now is Paul Spain, tech commentator and

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01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 3: Guerrilla Tech CEO.

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01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 14: Hello, Paul, Hello, how are we doing?

1619
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 10: And it?

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01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 3: Well, we're good now that we're back online. I'm getting

1621
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 3: a bit tired of Microsoft cyber attacks. What's happening here?

1622
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 22: Well, you know what we know around today is it

1623
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 22: was largely in New Zealand that was impacted. So this

1624
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,799
Speaker 22: one wasn't, you know, so much of a global issue.

1625
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 4: It was very very.

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01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 22: Focused on New Zealand. And it appears as though what

1627
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 22: we're dealing with is something called a distributed denial of

1628
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 22: service attack, which you can, if you want to sort

1629
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 22: of think of it simply. It's a little bit like

1630
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 22: when we have a protest that floods the motorway with

1631
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 22: tractors or trucks or some other such thing, and you've

1632
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 22: got an adversary who is basically trying to trying to

1633
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 22: cause problems for Microsoft and Microsoft customers by flooding sort

1634
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 22: of certain areas of the internet with with with too

1635
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 22: much data or traffic as we call it, and that

1636
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 22: brings things to sometimes to a standstill, sometimes just sort

1637
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 22: of slows slows things down. And that's really what's what's

1638
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 22: happened today. Now a lot of people haven't felt the pain,

1639
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 22: but other people have, Like me.

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01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 3: Who wants to do this sort of thing to us?

1641
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 3: I mean, we've got we're in New zeal We've got

1642
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 3: no enemies in the world.

1643
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:19,600
Speaker 22: Well, there are always folks out to you know, have

1644
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 22: an impact. Sometimes that's they want to cause a financial impact,

1645
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 22: and then they can put pressure on an organization such

1646
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 22: as Microsoft and say, look, we're going to you know,

1647
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 22: stop your operation in New Zealand unless you front up

1648
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 22: and drop you know, x amount of you know, funds

1649
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 22: in our direction, usually in cryptocurrency. So basically it's it's

1650
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 22: you know, it's used from that perspective of a ransom

1651
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 22: or bribery type situation, or it can be you know,

1652
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 22: a country, so it can be sort of you know,

1653
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 22: politically driven. It can be a country, uh, you know,

1654
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 22: a particular cause that someone's trying to push and to

1655
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 22: make a little bit of a point. So you know,

1656
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 22: these are the situations we've seen.

1657
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 3: But today's outage we don't know who did it.

1658
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 4: No, I haven't.

1659
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 22: I haven't seen anything to you know, to indicate that

1660
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 22: at this point. And there there are often reasons why

1661
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 22: an organization you know, might know but might not just

1662
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 22: you know, disclose that publicly at a given point in time,

1663
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 22: but you know, maybe we'll share you know, further information.

1664
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 10: Down the track.

1665
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 3: Was there any data taken.

1666
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 22: This type of attack generally the attacker has no access

1667
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 22: to you know, to any anybody's data. It's more you

1668
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 22: know that that as I say, they're kind of it's

1669
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 22: like flooding a motorway. So it's not like they're they're

1670
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 22: inside your systems, inside your building and so on. It's

1671
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 22: more they're trying to block you get access, you gaining access,

1672
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 22: rather than than them having having any level of access themselves.

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01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:02,799
Speaker 3: Did Microsoft were they helpful or were they hindry?

1674
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 2: Look?

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01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 22: You know, I think we expect organizations like Microsoft to

1676
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 22: be really well geared up to deal with this type

1677
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 22: of attack. Uh, and you know, in in this case, yeah,

1678
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 22: maybe they didn't kind of get it quite right in

1679
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 22: terms of their their ability to to you know, to

1680
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 22: block this and deal with it correctly. Yeah, they I mean, yeah,

1681
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 22: there's certainly, certainly some culpability, you know, I think too,

1682
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 22: you know, to a degree. But you know, depending on

1683
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 22: the scale and the and the size of you know,

1684
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 22: of this type of attack, you know that there there

1685
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:48,959
Speaker 22: probably is a point where a company can can completely

1686
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:53,719
Speaker 22: block it. And and there's a point where, yeah, those

1687
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 22: sort of attackers can can have a level of impact

1688
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 22: that We've seen other New Zealand organizations hit with this

1689
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 22: type of attack n z X in the past. Uh,

1690
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 22: and they you know, maybe didn't have some things quite right,

1691
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 22: and that you know, they made some changes and and

1692
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 22: you know they eventually you know, got through that and

1693
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 22: came back to full operation.

1694
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 3: So Paul, one last question, Okay, And after CrowdStrike and

1695
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 3: after realizing how many people use outlook and teams, are we,

1696
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 3: in fact, in the business world generally relying on too

1697
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 3: small a number of companies to provide our services tech wise,

1698
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 3: So it's easy to take out a whole country. It's

1699
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:35,879
Speaker 3: easy to almost take out a whole.

1700
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 14: World in simple terms.

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01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 22: You know, I would say, yes, I wish there was

1702
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 22: more competition, you know, to these these biggest global providers.

1703
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 22: And so if you look at a Microsoft three sixty five,

1704
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 22: which is what the very large majority of organizations in

1705
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 22: New Zealand use for you know, for their core technology,

1706
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 22: email and document editing and storage and spreadsheets and so on.

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01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 22: They're very very dominant. Google have a very small slice

1708
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 22: of that that market here. It would be great, you know,

1709
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 22: if Google and others we're more competitive and that it

1710
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 22: was split a little bit more evenly. But at the moment,

1711
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 22: you know, Microsoft's offerings, you know, are generally, you know,

1712
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 22: probably head and shoulders above the competition, and so therefore

1713
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 22: they hold the you know, the line's share of the market.

1714
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 22: It would be much easier if that wasn't the case,

1715
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 22: but it's where we're at right now.

1716
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Paul, Thank you so much. Paul from Gorilla Gorilla

1717
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 3: Tech CEO tech commentator. Don't like it when it goes down.

1718
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 3: I can tell you that it is a nineteen to seven.

1719
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 3: I'm getting some texts after I talked about the far right,

1720
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 3: and of course what's been happening outside Downing Street. We'll

1721
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 3: talk about this in a few minutes time. I'll also

1722
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 3: talk about what happened outside the Muslim mosques. And Andrew says, someone,

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Speaker 3: you are talking the brown stuff. It's not the far right.

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Speaker 3: As you put it, the majority of Britain and Ireland

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Speaker 3: are sick of mass immigration and the way the fabric

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Speaker 3: and values of their society are being destroyed. I know,

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Speaker 3: of course, I understand that immigration is the big issue

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Speaker 3: in Europe, it's a big issue in America. Is how

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Speaker 3: you really determine who's right and left and the immigration

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Speaker 3: people are normally right. But I understand that, but not

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Speaker 3: in this case. The man who did that, the boy

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Speaker 3: who did the stamping, was born in Cardiff. He was

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Speaker 3: not a product of mass immigration. His parents did come

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Speaker 3: from Rwanda back in the day, but that was perfectly legal,

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Speaker 3: the same way I came to New Zealand from the

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Speaker 3: UK with my parents back in the day. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: mass immigration, nor was it fleeing borders or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: They were as Welsh as Welsh can be, but they

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Speaker 3: did come from Rwanda. But the far right, and I

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Speaker 3: include Tom Robinson and this Tommy Robinson sat there saying

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Speaker 3: it was an Arabic name that was doing it, sat

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Speaker 3: there saying that these were Muslims that would doing it,

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01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 3: sat there and saying all sorts of frankly brown stuff,

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Speaker 3: and they did it to rile up the anger about

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Speaker 3: the immigration thing. Now, look, you can debate immigration to

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01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 3: the cows come home, and I'm happy with that, but

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Speaker 3: I don't like people who lie to prove a point.

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Speaker 3: And not only that, these lies ended out on riots.

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Speaker 3: And these lies, by the way, ended out with thirty

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Speaker 3: nine police officers injured because they were hitting them with

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Speaker 3: you know, bricks and stones. So we'll talk more about

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Speaker 3: this with Vincent macavinnie in just a few moments time.

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Speaker 3: This is News Talks AB.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and my HR, the

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Speaker 1: HR platform for SME US Talks b Ryan Text.

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Speaker 3: The world is going crazy. It seems the crazy people

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01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 3: are also going crazy. Like it's no surprise this is true. Hey, okay,

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Speaker 3: it's now fourteen minutes to seven. Let's go to the

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Speaker 3: UK and our correspondent today is Vincent Megavini. Hello, Vincent,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon. What happened today in the case of the

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Speaker 3: seventeen year old a charge with murder of three Southport

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Speaker 3: girls at the Taylor Swift Dad's party.

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Speaker 25: Here, Well, this tragic incident up in the north west

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01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 25: of England are still really being felt in the community

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Speaker 25: and around the country. Three girls, as you mentioned BB

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Speaker 25: King six, LC dot stand Come seven and nine year

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Speaker 25: old Alice da Silva died after that ninth attack at

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Speaker 25: a Taylor Swift themed event in Southport that was at

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Speaker 25: the hands allegedly of a seventeen year old who has

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Speaker 25: now been charged. Were not able to release his name yet,

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Speaker 25: but he has been charged with murder of the three

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Speaker 25: girls and attempted murder of ten others. We know that

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Speaker 25: eight other children and two adults who are at the

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Speaker 25: event were injured, some still believed to be in a

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Speaker 25: critical condition in hospital and have been undergoing surgeries. A

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Speaker 25: number of other girls who are all so at that

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Speaker 25: class has survived, obviously dealing with the trauma of what

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Speaker 25: they witnessed. But this is the start of a long

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Speaker 25: legal process. The police still saying this is not an

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Speaker 25: act of terrorism. There is no link as has been

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Speaker 25: falsely claimed on social media to any islamust attack, and

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Speaker 25: we still don't have any idea of a motive for

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Speaker 25: this crime. But the legal process now starting.

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Speaker 3: Because yesterday we were reporting on the fact that at

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Speaker 3: a vigil of course for the girl's trouble actually burst

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Speaker 3: out and then a nearer mass again, trouble burst out,

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Speaker 3: and this was because of people who had been misinformed

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Speaker 3: through social media by bad actors somewhere. Now we hear

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Speaker 3: even more trouble outside Downing Street.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 25: Last night there were huge skirmishes between police and the

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Speaker 25: far right EDL English Defense League movement. They're sort of

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Speaker 25: bad actors online of trying to co opt this and

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Speaker 25: tie it into sort of the immigration debate and the

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Speaker 25: small boats that crossed the Channel, and so you had

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Speaker 25: hundreds of them turning up last night in claiming that

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Speaker 25: they were there to quote protect their children, that our

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Speaker 25: civil disorder ensued. They were violent towards police, They fired

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Speaker 25: flares at a statue of Winston Churchill and into Downing

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Speaker 25: Street and one was even spotted giving a Nazi salute

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Speaker 25: outside Downing Street. So one hundred have been arrested and

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01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:24,720
Speaker 25: the starting to face charges now of disorderly conduct in

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01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 25: the public area, violence towards police officers as well. So

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Speaker 25: pretty ugly scenes last night, stirred up by the likes

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Speaker 25: of the EDL Tom Robinson, but also some claiming by

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Speaker 25: Nigel Farage as well, who took instead of the Commons

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Speaker 25: as he is now an MP to ask questions of

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Speaker 25: Home Office ministers about what was going on in the town,

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Speaker 25: took the social media to sort of stir up conspiracy theories,

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Speaker 25: saying that, you know, he felt something was being hidden

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Speaker 25: and sort of alleging that there was more going on

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Speaker 25: with this, but not sort of saying what he thought

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Speaker 25: that was so some ugly scenes playing out after this

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Speaker 25: horrible incident.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, Even though you know this story after story,

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Speaker 3: showing the links and showing the networks and showing the

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Speaker 3: teen accounts and social media that we're responsible for sewing

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Speaker 3: the disinformation, people keep on believing it. What's that about?

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Speaker 25: Well, there's no cure for stupidity, is there.

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Speaker 3: As we said, now, how's your economy and what's going

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Speaker 3: to happen to interest rate and will they be cut?

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Speaker 25: Well, our economy is doing pretty well compared to a

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Speaker 25: couple of years ago. We've now got interest we've now

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Speaker 25: got inflation down at two percent from a high of

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Speaker 25: over eleven percent, but our interest rates are still at

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Speaker 25: a sixteen year high, stuck up at five point two

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Speaker 25: five percent, and the Bank of England has consistently delayed

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Speaker 25: inflation had come down to that two percent target. By

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Speaker 25: the time two months ago of the last rates decision,

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Speaker 25: but that decision now this today, the monthly decision, there's

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Speaker 25: about a sixty percent chance of them being brought down

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Speaker 25: it's thought by zero point two five basis points to

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Speaker 25: five percent, which a massive relief to people here struggling

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Speaker 25: with the highest cost of living pressures and the highest

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Speaker 25: tax burden since the Second World War. So many homeowners

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Speaker 25: who have mortgages across the country hoping that we're starting

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Speaker 25: now to see a return, not quite of course, to

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Speaker 25: the historic lows we had back in the day after

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Speaker 25: the financial crash of you know, down at zero point

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Speaker 25: two five percent, but hopefully at least on their way

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Speaker 25: back down to a more manageable route. Now that we

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Speaker 25: have a government coming in that is promising to be

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Speaker 25: fiscally disciplined, that might, after the sort of disaster of

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Speaker 25: Liz Trust's time which caused this massive spike in inflation

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Speaker 25: rates in interest rates, might start TH's on a path

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Speaker 25: to recovery.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And I guess you can take your mind off

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Speaker 3: at with the Olympics. I never knew that England was

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Speaker 3: so good at swimming.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, Well, I mean this is all down to John

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Speaker 25: Major who was our Prime minister in the nineteen nineties,

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Speaker 25: the UK went at or TEAMGB went to the Atlanta

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Speaker 25: Games and only came back with one gold medal. And

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Speaker 25: he thought, for a country that's the world's fifth biggest economy,

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Speaker 25: this isn't good enough. So he had set up our

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01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 25: national lottery and he decided then that the funding for

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01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 25: our athletes would in part come from the national lottery

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Speaker 25: system and that has led to a huge boom in

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Speaker 25: sports funding across the country, of course, building up to

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Speaker 25: twenty twelve when we hosted the Games and the UK

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Speaker 25: you know, getting into consistently the sort of top five

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Speaker 25: of the medals table. And that is the aim again

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Speaker 25: this year is to have fifty to seventy gold medals

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Speaker 25: and that's because of that legacy funding that started then

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Speaker 25: and has gone right through.

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Speaker 3: Well we've got one, but hey we're small. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much, Vincent, Thanks is Ages Tiven. We've got one

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Speaker 3: more tonight.

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Speaker 14: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, in fact wats our biggest chance that cox Us

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Speaker 3: four men we could get one there and then as

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Speaker 3: Oli Maclin, Logan, Ulrich, Tom Murray and met McDonald, go

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Speaker 3: boys go. Apparently the Coxus four had great great thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh I'll tell you who, Brook Francis and Lucy Spores.

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Speaker 3: Then the double skulls the women, and they had an

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Speaker 3: incredible semi final, didn't they And they are racing at

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Speaker 3: nine to eighteen tonight are the COXUS four men. They're

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Speaker 3: quite late, they're at ten ten Earlier on we've got

1880
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Speaker 3: Ryan Fox teeing off and golf at seven twenty two.

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Speaker 3: You don't know if you're going to get to see

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Speaker 3: that on the old Telly or whatever. And then we've

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Speaker 3: at seven thirty we've got Emma Tweak in the single

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Speaker 3: skulls women semi final, and then following that Tom Macintosh

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Speaker 3: the new single skulls men. He's having a crack again.

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Speaker 3: That's the semi final two. And we wish both of

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Speaker 3: those guys all the best of, Like we're quite good

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Speaker 3: at rowing. We're quite good at facing the finish line

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Speaker 3: backwards and rowing, which is always a good thing. So

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Speaker 3: we wish them all the best of. Like you can

1891
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Speaker 3: get all coverage on Gold Sport, which is the AM

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Speaker 3: version of the radio station. I normally walk work on Gold,

1893
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 3: which plays great rock, just great rock, but you can

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Speaker 3: also get it on iHeartRadio. Just look up gold sport,

1895
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 3: look up the Olympics and away you go. And the

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Speaker 3: team is just waking up and getting ready to scream

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Speaker 3: at you. It is seven to seven News Talks here B.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

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Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME news.

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Speaker 2: Talks, it B.

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Speaker 3: News talks. It be text through just want to commit.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Dickens has been a great week. Not to say

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01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 3: I don't love Heather Emits, but he has been great.

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Speaker 3: Think you I agree? Of course, I don't know why

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Speaker 3: you're sending me these texts now, because you've got another

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Speaker 3: day to tolerate me. I'm sorry. I have also been

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Speaker 3: reliably informed that Marcus Lush, the host of the award

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Speaker 3: winning number one breakfast show right across the nation and

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Speaker 3: every single market, will be taking probably some of the

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Speaker 3: commentary from the rowing, particularly if it looks like we're

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Speaker 3: having a gold medal, and even more particularly if he

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Speaker 3: needs to make himself a cup of tea at that

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Speaker 3: moment that the race is on and he wants to

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Speaker 3: walk away and let the commentary team take I'm sure Marcus,

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Speaker 3: Marcus Marcus will take the chance. And let's after eight today,

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Speaker 3: so come on, boys and girls. All right, my thanks

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Speaker 3: to the duffmeister Andy Duff, who is our executive producer

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Speaker 3: today Kenzy of course and ants ants Melitch, what are

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Speaker 3: we playing?

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Speaker 23: Umbrella by Rihanna to play us out tonight's Andrew. We

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Speaker 23: had a thing over the weekend. Ac Milan playing Manchester

1923
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Speaker 23: City at Yankee Stadium, but of a pre season game.

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Speaker 23: Rihanna went to the game and she decided she would

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Speaker 23: take a selfie with three of the players, Christian Pilistic,

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Speaker 23: Jack Graylish and Eunice Musa from both teams. After she

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Speaker 23: was done with her selfie, a young fan came in

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Speaker 23: and he was like, oh, I'd quite like a photo too,

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Speaker 23: But he was like, oh he decided. You know how,

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Speaker 23: sometimes instead of the selfie, you decide you'll get like

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Speaker 23: a passing stranger to take a photo for you. So

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Speaker 23: he looked around, all I wonder who can take the photo,

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Speaker 23: and he's like, oh, Rihanna, she'll do can you take

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Speaker 23: a photo? And of course oh, and of course she

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Speaker 23: was like yeah, I love to and she had quite

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Speaker 23: a good job. It framed it all up, got them

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Speaker 23: to do you know pose and everything? And the debate

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Speaker 23: is did he just not know who Rihanna was? Or

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Speaker 23: did he just not cared? He just needs someone to

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Speaker 23: take a photo, and he's like, oh, your hand.

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Speaker 3: He's just really honest. Her appearance changes depending on the

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Speaker 3: length of eyelashes at any given time, and she also

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Speaker 3: wears hoodies a lot. And you know what, on my

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Speaker 3: social media, I've seen so many pictures of Jack Graylish

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Speaker 3: and so many people going, oh, I love you, I

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Speaker 3: love you. I'm saying, why is Jack Graylish in America?

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Speaker 3: With the basketball and Americans loving him so that? Thank

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Speaker 3: you for explaining that, Let's play some Rihannah, Let's go

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Speaker 3: home and have some dinner, and then come and do

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Speaker 3: it again tomorrow.

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Speaker 10: Bye Mike.

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