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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Archer is back with news one. His William Warick

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Speaker 1: series is coming to a conclusion, but some more importantly,

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Speaker 1: it appears as the Archer writing career in Game as

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Speaker 1: the eighth and the Warick series. The last time we

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Speaker 1: caught up with him, of course, was in London for

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Speaker 1: the King's Coronation. So it's welcome back to Jeffrey Archer.

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Speaker 1: Good morning and a.

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Speaker 2: Very good evening to you as I'm sitting in.

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Speaker 1: London, beautiful autumn in London. The news of your final

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Speaker 1: book is it overshadowing End Game?

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Speaker 2: Ah? No, not quite, but it is. It's a very

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Speaker 2: important on the end for me. It's a very important

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Speaker 2: landmark to end the Clifton Chronicles and then end the

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Speaker 2: William Warwicks and still be alive at eighty five.

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Speaker 1: Take me through the process. I mean, I suppose the

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Speaker 1: day was always going to come when you were going

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Speaker 1: to say enough is enough? How did that formulate in

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Speaker 1: your mind?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's of course the next book. The next book

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Speaker 2: is the final book. It will be my fiftieth year

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Speaker 2: next year and I will be writing the final book.

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Speaker 2: This book. End Game is only just arrived in the

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Speaker 2: shops and it's the final book in the William Warwick series,

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Speaker 2: when he's a commander and he's in charge of the

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Speaker 2: Olympic Games. So I flew over to Monaco and saw

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Speaker 2: Sebastian co and asked what went wrong? And he said,

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Speaker 2: nothing that I know of, but you need to speak

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Speaker 2: to Commander Bob Broadhurst because he was in charge of security.

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Speaker 2: So I flew back to England, Mike and got in

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Speaker 2: touch with the commander who holds the Queen's Police Medal

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Speaker 2: and the CB a very remarkable man, and said did

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Speaker 2: anything go wrong? And he's I quite expected him to

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Speaker 2: say nothing I can't speak about, but he told me

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Speaker 2: fourteen things that went wrong. Twelve weren't of great significance.

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Speaker 2: They would have got headlines in the papers, but not

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Speaker 2: big headlines. Two were important. One would have closed the

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Speaker 2: opening ceremony and one would have had everyone in the

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Speaker 2: stadium having to leave on the fourth day of the athletics.

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Speaker 2: So all fourteen get into the book, and I added

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Speaker 2: seven from my own imagination, and you have beguns at

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Speaker 2: the end. Which fourteen are real and which seven are

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Speaker 2: just figments of my imagination?

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Speaker 1: Did it make the book in the sense if you'd

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Speaker 1: gone to lunch with co then talk to Bob, and

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Speaker 1: they both said nothing. You would have had to have

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Speaker 1: made up the whole lot correct.

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Speaker 2: My seven would have your very good point. My seven

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Speaker 2: would have been the book. Whereas now the public are

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Speaker 2: going to be allowed to know what went badly wrong.

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Speaker 2: But thanks to the Commander and his amazing team, they

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Speaker 2: stopped the public ever finding out because and one of them,

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Speaker 2: by the way, Mike, was within twelve minutes of happening.

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Speaker 1: Wow, do you think sib Coe knows about the two

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Speaker 1: but just didn't tell you or not?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, he had no idea. When he took the

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Speaker 2: quiz at the back of the book where you're asked

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Speaker 2: to name the twelve and the seven, he got nineteen

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Speaker 2: out of twenty one. So the answer to your question

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Speaker 1: Where did you come up with the idea to talk

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Speaker 1: to him in the first place? And think they must

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Speaker 1: have been something to be told here?

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Speaker 2: I think, Mike, if you're running something as big as

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Speaker 2: the Olympic Games and it goes on for a month,

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Speaker 2: you can't expect twenty eight days the pass without some

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Speaker 2: fairly important minor incidents. What he couldn't have anticipated was

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Speaker 2: two major incidents and Indeed, when I saw him last

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Speaker 2: week we were doing a television program together, he whispered

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Speaker 2: and he said, drones, Jeffrey, we're going to do about drone.

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Speaker 1: Well, that questions applicable for Europe generally, and nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with the Olympic Games, Isn't it correct?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely correct?

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Speaker 1: Talk to me so that's same game. Talk to me

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Speaker 1: about your final book, the final final book. Where's that at?

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Speaker 1: Is it just in your head?

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Speaker 2: I got the idea six years ago when I read

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Speaker 2: a speech by Adolf Hitler, and I'd always assumed his

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Speaker 2: the counter speech by Winston Churchill and realized that on

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Speaker 2: September the fifteenth, nineteen forty one, the war could have ended.

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Speaker 2: Of course, because the war went on September fifteenth, nineteen

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Speaker 2: lee began to look for leading historians who'd written about

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Speaker 2: what happened on that day, and found three. Read very

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Speaker 2: Hitler changed his mind three times in one day, on

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Speaker 2: or the other, and then sat down and began to write.

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Speaker 2: And I'm now on the fourteenth draft, so I'm hoping

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Speaker 2: to finish by Christmas, and it will be on the

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Speaker 1: Do you honestly believe, in your heart of hearts that

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Speaker 2: Yes? I might write short stories. In fact, I know

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Speaker 2: i'll write short stories. I might write a play. I

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Speaker 2: might write a screenplay. But this book is, frankly, Mike,

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Speaker 2: bigger than canaan Abel as a story. I've got to

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Speaker 2: see if I've been able to write it, and frankly

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Speaker 2: I won't want to follow it.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel the pressure already or not?

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Speaker 2: No, I've done fourteen drafts, and the publishing house are

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Speaker 2: frankly very very excited. So no they if I sense

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Speaker 2: they've thought, well, this is just fine, another book, great,

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Speaker 2: But no, the vibes that are coming out and the

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Speaker 2: things they're preparing rather suggest this is another canaanable.

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Speaker 1: Right, which leads me to ask Jeffrey whether or not.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're a little bit wistful at this point

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Speaker 1: in time. I mean, it's been such an amazing journey.

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Speaker 1: Is it time for you know, some sort of reflection.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've been very privileged and lucky to have a

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Speaker 2: simple talent to tell us story. That's a god given talent.

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Speaker 2: I always say to young people, if you're well educated

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Speaker 2: a decent, even good writer. But the act of telling

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Speaker 2: a story is no different to a ballet answer, no

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Speaker 2: different to a violinist, no different to an opera singer.

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Speaker 2: You divide those who really succeed with those who nearly

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Speaker 2: succeed by damned hard work and a bit of luck.

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Speaker 2: And that's a bit of luck. It's called talent, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I can't let this pass without a little observation about

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Speaker 1: what does Britain strike you as particularly troubled at the moment?

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Speaker 1: Or is it just me observing it from the other

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Speaker 2: No, you are right, Mike. We're in a bright, leathering state.

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Speaker 2: We're up to our eyes as a nation in debt.

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Speaker 2: The problem we have and I'm sure you have it

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Speaker 2: as well, and everyone in the world has it is

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Speaker 2: that we are meant to retire at sixty five, you're

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Speaker 2: meant to collect a goals watch, you're meant to conveniently

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Speaker 2: die at the age of seventy. Well, I'm eighty five

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Speaker 2: and I've got lots of friends in their nineties, so

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Speaker 2: it's not easy for a nation to actually go on

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Speaker 2: dealing with the National Health Service for them and financing

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Speaker 2: for them. You are quite right to think we look

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Speaker 2: as if we're in trouble, But look at the French.

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Speaker 2: What are you laughing, Mikel I can't serious.

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Speaker 1: I can't help it exactly. Listen, I was reading it.

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Speaker 1: It was you, wasn't it. It was you that told

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Speaker 1: Cameron about Farage, and if he had done what you

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Speaker 1: had suggested with Farage, you might not be dealing with

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Speaker 1: Farage the way you're dealing with them today.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was surprised when the interviewer for The Independent

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Speaker 2: said I'm going to start the interview with something you

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Speaker 2: said ten years ago. I thought, oh my god, what

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Speaker 2: did I say ten years ago? And he read it

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Speaker 2: out that you had suggested to the Prime Minister that

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Speaker 2: Farage be put in the House of Lords. He was

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Speaker 2: at that time. Hold your breath on naught percent. My

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Speaker 2: line was, he's trouble. He's a brilliant mob orator and

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Speaker 2: he's still ambitious. But if you put him in the

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Speaker 2: House of Lords, we'll keep him quiet and he'll be

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Speaker 2: very happy, very happy being Lord Farage. You'll love them.

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Speaker 2: And a prime minister didn't agree with me, and he

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Speaker 2: is now causing us some trouble. Do you think by us,

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Speaker 2: I mean the Conservative Party?

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Speaker 1: Well, exactly under your electoral system, first past the post.

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Speaker 1: Do do you think in the next election his thirty

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Speaker 1: percent translates into seats or it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I think this time it does. He got

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Speaker 2: more votes than the Liberals last time and only got

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Speaker 2: four seats, whereas the Liberals got fifty one. I think

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Speaker 2: this is going to change big time, big time.

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Speaker 1: What are the Tories need to do.

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Speaker 2: We've got four years before the next election, and it's

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Speaker 2: difficult in politics, particularly with Trump at the helm, to

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Speaker 2: predict beyond a week, let alone four years. But I

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Speaker 2: must say, I meet a lot of people who say

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Speaker 2: I've had enough of the Tories and I could never

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Speaker 2: vote Labor. I'm going to give him a chance. And yes, Mike,

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Speaker 2: that may well translate in to speak into seats.

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Speaker 1: And government or not.

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Speaker 2: Well, now, if you're asking for a technical of you,

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Speaker 2: he could be the biggest party, yes, which might mean

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Speaker 2: he has to join with the Conservatives in order to

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Speaker 2: form a government. Or Labor may be the second biggest party,

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Speaker 2: to join together to form a government. If I might say, Mike,

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Speaker 2: a right mess.

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Speaker 1: That is true. I'm just thinking you probably need to

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Speaker 1: keep writing something because every time we get together and

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Speaker 1: talk about books and politics, it's always fun. But for

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Speaker 1: now we must end. There is always a thrill and

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Speaker 1: a pleasure. Good to catch up with you.

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Speaker 2: Very kind Mike, and lovely to speak to you again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for keeping in touch.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure, Jeff Jeffrey Antcher out of Britain this morning.

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