1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,947 Speaker 1: from newstalk edb. 3 00:00:12,747 --> 00:00:15,947 Speaker 2: William Lawson could have a full time drive in Formula 4 00:00:15,987 --> 00:00:19,307 Speaker 2: One next year. Red Bull advisor Helmet Marco said this 5 00:00:19,427 --> 00:00:21,867 Speaker 2: week he'll either be a part of the main team 6 00:00:21,987 --> 00:00:25,707 Speaker 2: next year or the sister outfit RB Now. Liam Lawson's 7 00:00:25,707 --> 00:00:28,587 Speaker 2: been acting as a reserve driver for both teams this year. 8 00:00:28,987 --> 00:00:32,707 Speaker 2: In an interview with an Austrian newspaper, Helmet Marco said 9 00:00:32,707 --> 00:00:36,267 Speaker 2: there'll be a decision next month and Lawson will definitely 10 00:00:36,347 --> 00:00:38,747 Speaker 2: be in one of their cars next year. It's the 11 00:00:38,787 --> 00:00:42,147 Speaker 2: most definitive confirmation yet that Lawson will be activated as 12 00:00:42,187 --> 00:00:45,227 Speaker 2: a full time driver. Reports are suggesting too, he has 13 00:00:45,267 --> 00:00:48,747 Speaker 2: an exit clause from Red Bull Racing that he can 14 00:00:48,907 --> 00:00:51,827 Speaker 2: use if he doesn't get a full time F one 15 00:00:51,947 --> 00:00:55,947 Speaker 2: drive next year. Motor racing expert Bob McMurray is with us. Bob, 16 00:00:56,347 --> 00:01:00,547 Speaker 2: are these comments from Helmet Marco a cast iron guarantee 17 00:01:00,587 --> 00:01:03,387 Speaker 2: of a full time drive for Liam Lawson in Formula 18 00:01:03,387 --> 00:01:03,947 Speaker 2: One next year? 19 00:01:04,707 --> 00:01:09,827 Speaker 3: No, in a word, that comment or those comments by 20 00:01:10,467 --> 00:01:15,147 Speaker 3: Marco have been superseded, we could say, by the other 21 00:01:15,307 --> 00:01:18,307 Speaker 3: part of the boss of Red Bull Christian Horner, who 22 00:01:18,427 --> 00:01:20,827 Speaker 3: said I asked Humbert about it all and he said 23 00:01:21,147 --> 00:01:23,427 Speaker 3: Liam will have a seat in Formula one. He didn't 24 00:01:23,467 --> 00:01:25,627 Speaker 3: say it would be in a Red Bull car. He 25 00:01:25,707 --> 00:01:29,147 Speaker 3: didn't say where it would read. In fact, so Christian 26 00:01:29,187 --> 00:01:31,547 Speaker 3: Horner who is now saying, but it could be somewhere else. 27 00:01:31,787 --> 00:01:35,187 Speaker 3: There's nothing set in stone. Well, if you go somewhere else, 28 00:01:35,227 --> 00:01:39,147 Speaker 3: you haven't got too many options, have you. Mercedes, Well, 29 00:01:39,187 --> 00:01:41,907 Speaker 3: they've already got this young Antonelli kid signed up. We 30 00:01:41,987 --> 00:01:45,107 Speaker 3: think pretty certain of that. So that's that done. The 31 00:01:45,147 --> 00:01:47,547 Speaker 3: only other place really apart from the Red Bull or 32 00:01:47,587 --> 00:01:49,947 Speaker 3: the RB setup and come to that in a minute, 33 00:01:50,267 --> 00:01:53,387 Speaker 3: is Audi. Now there's been well rumored that the Audi, 34 00:01:53,467 --> 00:01:58,867 Speaker 3: which is currently the lowest team, in fact that Scadny 35 00:01:58,907 --> 00:02:03,387 Speaker 3: points at all this year lowest ranking team on the ladder. 36 00:02:03,427 --> 00:02:06,507 Speaker 3: They have been courting that, we believe Liam Law's and 37 00:02:06,707 --> 00:02:09,067 Speaker 3: somehow or other for some time, but of course Red 38 00:02:09,107 --> 00:02:11,747 Speaker 3: Bull in the form of Hauna or Marco, have been 39 00:02:11,747 --> 00:02:14,747 Speaker 3: holding him back from doing anything because he has a contract, 40 00:02:14,827 --> 00:02:18,027 Speaker 3: as you say, until the end of this year, and 41 00:02:18,307 --> 00:02:20,867 Speaker 3: if they don't give him a drive of some sort 42 00:02:21,387 --> 00:02:23,507 Speaker 3: by the end of September, then he's free to leave, 43 00:02:24,027 --> 00:02:27,667 Speaker 3: so they may be, I don't know, just dancing around 44 00:02:27,707 --> 00:02:29,947 Speaker 3: the maypole here with him, and I think they're being 45 00:02:30,067 --> 00:02:36,027 Speaker 3: exceptionally unfair and exceptionally cruel to somebody who career will 46 00:02:36,067 --> 00:02:39,187 Speaker 3: be ruined if he doesn't get a drive somewhere next year. 47 00:02:39,347 --> 00:02:42,107 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my gut reaction to Bob was that 48 00:02:42,147 --> 00:02:45,547 Speaker 2: this doesn't seem very fair on Liam Lawson. He's been 49 00:02:45,587 --> 00:02:49,547 Speaker 2: given half promises and I guess you know, had you know, 50 00:02:49,787 --> 00:02:51,987 Speaker 2: conversations with I'm sure a lot of people about what 51 00:02:52,107 --> 00:02:54,827 Speaker 2: his future might hold. But he needs he needs the 52 00:02:54,867 --> 00:02:57,227 Speaker 2: proof in that pudding. If he were to take a 53 00:02:57,267 --> 00:03:00,867 Speaker 2: seat with Red Bull, whose seat would he take? 54 00:03:01,787 --> 00:03:05,507 Speaker 3: Well, once again, they're being very cagy on what they've got. 55 00:03:05,547 --> 00:03:08,147 Speaker 3: The only person that does not have a contract between 56 00:03:08,187 --> 00:03:10,947 Speaker 3: the RB team which is Visa whatever they call it, 57 00:03:11,267 --> 00:03:13,987 Speaker 3: and the Red Bull team, which is Rastapan's team, the 58 00:03:14,027 --> 00:03:16,587 Speaker 3: only person that doesn't actually have a contract for next 59 00:03:16,627 --> 00:03:20,747 Speaker 3: year is Daniel Ricardo. Now, he hasn't covered himself in 60 00:03:20,747 --> 00:03:25,307 Speaker 3: any glory this season at all. He in fact, today 61 00:03:25,587 --> 00:03:29,987 Speaker 3: or last night, he qualified well below his teammate Yuki Sinoda, 62 00:03:30,027 --> 00:03:32,187 Speaker 3: and that's the first thing he has to do keep 63 00:03:32,187 --> 00:03:35,827 Speaker 3: out qualifying him hasn't done that. Ricardo is not going anywhere. 64 00:03:35,947 --> 00:03:38,147 Speaker 3: The only place he can go is to stay in 65 00:03:38,227 --> 00:03:41,787 Speaker 3: the RB team. The other person, of course that's in 66 00:03:41,907 --> 00:03:45,187 Speaker 3: the Red Bulls set up is Perez. He is constantly 67 00:03:45,267 --> 00:03:50,227 Speaker 3: being threatened or you could say, with losing his seat 68 00:03:50,267 --> 00:03:53,907 Speaker 3: because he's not performing as well as he should. He 69 00:03:53,947 --> 00:03:55,947 Speaker 3: does have a contract the next year, but Red bull 70 00:03:55,987 --> 00:03:59,627 Speaker 3: and contracts, you can just you know, there's less than 71 00:03:59,627 --> 00:04:05,787 Speaker 3: toilet paper. In fact, the other person, interestingly that may 72 00:04:05,907 --> 00:04:10,187 Speaker 3: leave is for Staffan himself. The rumors still persist that 73 00:04:10,307 --> 00:04:15,667 Speaker 3: for Staffan is being courted for Mercedes. Now I can't 74 00:04:15,707 --> 00:04:18,547 Speaker 3: see that happening for next year, but those rumors are there. 75 00:04:18,827 --> 00:04:22,707 Speaker 3: So where can Liam go? I don't know. I've got 76 00:04:22,707 --> 00:04:25,627 Speaker 3: no idea. So then by them saying that he will 77 00:04:25,707 --> 00:04:28,347 Speaker 3: guaranteed have a seat in Formula one, there's only two 78 00:04:28,387 --> 00:04:31,627 Speaker 3: places he can go effectively. That is Aldi to be 79 00:04:31,707 --> 00:04:35,627 Speaker 3: loaned out to them, or which is the Salva team 80 00:04:35,667 --> 00:04:39,787 Speaker 3: incidentally is called Aldi and Salba, or just to the 81 00:04:40,707 --> 00:04:43,427 Speaker 3: Red Bull to the RB team with Yuku Sinoda. I 82 00:04:43,427 --> 00:04:45,507 Speaker 3: don't see any other options for him. 83 00:04:45,827 --> 00:04:47,707 Speaker 2: I look at or listen to the names you've just 84 00:04:47,747 --> 00:04:50,347 Speaker 2: read out that the Red Bull drivers and the RB drivers, 85 00:04:50,467 --> 00:04:54,107 Speaker 2: and it goes beyond their driving ability, doesn't it. Bob. 86 00:04:54,147 --> 00:04:58,187 Speaker 2: In terms of Sonoda's commercial attractiveness as a Japanese driver, Piz, 87 00:04:58,227 --> 00:04:59,507 Speaker 2: I think is Mexican, isn't he? And I think that 88 00:04:59,547 --> 00:05:03,467 Speaker 2: it brings with her a similar commercial attractiveness. Daniel Ricardo 89 00:05:03,547 --> 00:05:06,187 Speaker 2: was a star and drive to survive the Netflix series. 90 00:05:06,347 --> 00:05:07,747 Speaker 2: It's more to it than just the way you drive 91 00:05:07,787 --> 00:05:08,427 Speaker 2: the car, isn't it. 92 00:05:09,067 --> 00:05:12,507 Speaker 3: Yeah? Very much, so, very much so Sonoda. Yes, you're right. 93 00:05:12,547 --> 00:05:16,107 Speaker 3: He is back by Honda, and that will finish when 94 00:05:16,227 --> 00:05:20,627 Speaker 3: Honda go to the Aston Martin team in twenty twenty 95 00:05:20,627 --> 00:05:23,787 Speaker 3: six and onwards. So yeah, Sonoda is there next year, 96 00:05:24,147 --> 00:05:27,587 Speaker 3: but he's not forever. Daniel Ricardo, as soon as he 97 00:05:27,707 --> 00:05:31,347 Speaker 3: was signed and he was on Netflix, the cans of 98 00:05:31,387 --> 00:05:33,827 Speaker 3: the fizzy drink in America went up I think by 99 00:05:33,867 --> 00:05:37,187 Speaker 3: some eight or ten percent or something like that. That's 100 00:05:37,227 --> 00:05:40,067 Speaker 3: a lot of cans of fizzy drink he brings. And yes, 101 00:05:40,067 --> 00:05:43,347 Speaker 3: he's a media star rather than being a racing star 102 00:05:43,427 --> 00:05:47,707 Speaker 3: at the moment. Sergio Perez, he is sponsored or supported 103 00:05:47,747 --> 00:05:50,627 Speaker 3: and has been for many many years, not by the 104 00:05:50,627 --> 00:05:54,707 Speaker 3: Mexican population, but also by a guy called Carlos Slim 105 00:05:54,747 --> 00:05:56,947 Speaker 3: who's the richest guy in Mexico, one of the richest 106 00:05:56,987 --> 00:06:00,707 Speaker 3: people in the world, and he pours a huge amount 107 00:06:00,747 --> 00:06:05,627 Speaker 3: of money into Sergio Perez. So yeah, commercial considerations are plenty, 108 00:06:06,067 --> 00:06:09,587 Speaker 3: and that really, I suppose in the team, like Red Bull, 109 00:06:10,147 --> 00:06:14,307 Speaker 3: who is the team itself, is in a an actual factor, 110 00:06:14,387 --> 00:06:18,467 Speaker 3: is in a lot of political strife from within. There 111 00:06:18,587 --> 00:06:22,227 Speaker 3: is i suppose you could say, a claim to be 112 00:06:22,307 --> 00:06:25,707 Speaker 3: the boss from Helmet Marco and Christian Horner, and there 113 00:06:25,747 --> 00:06:27,947 Speaker 3: is a fight between the two of them for supremacy 114 00:06:27,987 --> 00:06:30,827 Speaker 3: in that team. Clearly, Christian Horner has won that fight, 115 00:06:31,187 --> 00:06:35,747 Speaker 3: and Christian Horner's favorite drivers in the entire setup Ricardo 116 00:06:35,827 --> 00:06:40,347 Speaker 3: and Perez. He has stuck with them absolutely. So it's 117 00:06:40,867 --> 00:06:43,267 Speaker 3: you know, Liam Lawson's in the middle of not only 118 00:06:43,307 --> 00:06:46,667 Speaker 3: a commercial fight to get to get a seat in 119 00:06:46,707 --> 00:06:50,347 Speaker 3: Formula One, but a political fight within Red Bull as 120 00:06:50,347 --> 00:06:52,987 Speaker 3: well as being a damn good driver. And of course 121 00:06:54,467 --> 00:06:57,947 Speaker 3: Liam Lawson knows the internal workings of the best cut, 122 00:06:57,987 --> 00:07:00,267 Speaker 3: what was the best car on the grid up until 123 00:07:00,387 --> 00:07:05,747 Speaker 3: this moment, being their test driver, being their experimental driver, 124 00:07:06,827 --> 00:07:10,027 Speaker 3: their driver, but to stand in to sort the car 125 00:07:10,067 --> 00:07:12,387 Speaker 3: out in the simulator and all that sort of thing. 126 00:07:12,867 --> 00:07:15,307 Speaker 3: If he leaves, he takes an awful lot of secrets 127 00:07:15,347 --> 00:07:18,187 Speaker 3: with him, so he is an attractive proposition for them 128 00:07:18,187 --> 00:07:20,147 Speaker 3: to keep and for another team to try and get 129 00:07:20,187 --> 00:07:20,427 Speaker 3: hold of. 130 00:07:21,427 --> 00:07:23,227 Speaker 2: Supposed to be a development team for Red. 131 00:07:23,027 --> 00:07:25,667 Speaker 3: Bull, well that's how it was set up, and that's 132 00:07:25,707 --> 00:07:28,947 Speaker 3: how Dietrich Matisich, the boss of Red Bull, set it 133 00:07:29,067 --> 00:07:33,027 Speaker 3: up with Helmet Marco. But of course with the unfortunate 134 00:07:33,067 --> 00:07:37,587 Speaker 3: death of Matasic last year, well that's kind of gone 135 00:07:37,627 --> 00:07:40,347 Speaker 3: out of the windows that Christian Horner now doesn't necessarily 136 00:07:40,347 --> 00:07:43,187 Speaker 3: see it as a development team unless he's trying to 137 00:07:43,227 --> 00:07:47,227 Speaker 3: develop one driver and that's Daniel Ricardo and that hasn't succeeded, 138 00:07:47,507 --> 00:07:50,827 Speaker 3: not at all, So it may have to go back 139 00:07:50,867 --> 00:07:53,627 Speaker 3: to being a development team. If that's the case, then 140 00:07:53,667 --> 00:07:55,627 Speaker 3: they're going to try and put Liam Lawson in there. 141 00:07:55,707 --> 00:08:02,707 Speaker 3: It's an incredibly difficult term situation for Liam, who's effectively powerless, 142 00:08:02,707 --> 00:08:05,507 Speaker 3: and his backers because they don't come with huge amounts 143 00:08:05,507 --> 00:08:10,587 Speaker 3: of money. It's an incredible difficult situation for him and 144 00:08:10,707 --> 00:08:14,667 Speaker 3: his backers, and in certain sense it's a difficult situation 145 00:08:14,787 --> 00:08:20,147 Speaker 3: for Horner and Marco, because a they have more problems 146 00:08:20,187 --> 00:08:22,307 Speaker 3: than just trying to sort out one driver going into 147 00:08:22,347 --> 00:08:24,827 Speaker 3: a seat. It's the entire team they're trying to sort 148 00:08:24,867 --> 00:08:27,227 Speaker 3: out all at the same time with what's going on 149 00:08:27,907 --> 00:08:30,307 Speaker 3: internally in the Red Bull setup. 150 00:08:30,827 --> 00:08:32,907 Speaker 2: What's your best guess, then, Bob and I know this 151 00:08:32,947 --> 00:08:35,267 Speaker 2: is fraught worth per all trying to guess what's going 152 00:08:35,307 --> 00:08:37,787 Speaker 2: to happen, trying to crystal ball gaze against the backdrop 153 00:08:37,827 --> 00:08:40,147 Speaker 2: that you've outlined for us. So well, what is your 154 00:08:40,187 --> 00:08:43,707 Speaker 2: best guess about what twenty twenty five will hold for 155 00:08:43,747 --> 00:08:44,347 Speaker 2: Liam Lawson? 156 00:08:45,347 --> 00:08:49,187 Speaker 3: Well, the thing I hold on to is the Christian 157 00:08:49,307 --> 00:08:51,907 Speaker 3: Order is saying it's not guaranteed yet. It's not guaranteed 158 00:08:51,947 --> 00:08:55,347 Speaker 3: yet because he wants to keep Ricardo and Perez on side. 159 00:08:55,427 --> 00:08:58,147 Speaker 3: He doesn't want to say, now, yes, Liam is going 160 00:08:58,147 --> 00:09:01,627 Speaker 3: to be in one of our cars next year, because suddenly, okay, 161 00:09:01,707 --> 00:09:03,867 Speaker 3: who's going to go? One of us is going to go? Perez? 162 00:09:03,907 --> 00:09:06,307 Speaker 3: Is it me? Ricardo? Is it me? I don't know, 163 00:09:06,467 --> 00:09:08,587 Speaker 3: So maybe he's just trying to keep those two guys 164 00:09:08,867 --> 00:09:15,067 Speaker 3: interested in what they're doing. So my gut feeling is that, well, 165 00:09:15,867 --> 00:09:18,147 Speaker 3: I think Liam will get a drive next year, But 166 00:09:18,187 --> 00:09:20,867 Speaker 3: then I come up against my own thoughts about just where, 167 00:09:21,227 --> 00:09:24,387 Speaker 3: and I can't see necessarily it's going to be that 168 00:09:24,507 --> 00:09:28,747 Speaker 3: easy to slot him in unless Horner and Marco knows 169 00:09:28,827 --> 00:09:32,027 Speaker 3: that one of their drivers Perez or Ricardo is going 170 00:09:32,067 --> 00:09:33,947 Speaker 3: to be out the door, and I suggest that would 171 00:09:33,987 --> 00:09:35,867 Speaker 3: be Ricardo before Perez. 172 00:09:36,467 --> 00:09:38,747 Speaker 2: He's ready for a full time Saint is any. 173 00:09:38,667 --> 00:09:42,307 Speaker 3: Liamb Absolutely he's ready. But if he doesn't drive next year, 174 00:09:42,347 --> 00:09:45,267 Speaker 3: he won't be His career will be over in Formula one. Effectively, 175 00:09:45,587 --> 00:09:48,107 Speaker 3: unless he gets a full time drive next year. You 176 00:09:48,227 --> 00:09:50,747 Speaker 3: can't be a full time Formula one driver and drop 177 00:09:50,787 --> 00:09:54,107 Speaker 3: out a year at his stage of life, and it's 178 00:09:54,147 --> 00:09:55,827 Speaker 3: going to be difficult to come back. As it is 179 00:09:55,947 --> 00:09:59,627 Speaker 3: if you drop out for two years without driving simulators 180 00:09:59,707 --> 00:10:02,987 Speaker 3: or anything like that, it is very difficult. It's that 181 00:10:03,067 --> 00:10:06,027 Speaker 3: you're driving a Knight edge in Formula One, and if 182 00:10:06,067 --> 00:10:10,307 Speaker 3: you've slip off that nice edge at all, you're in trouble. 183 00:10:10,427 --> 00:10:12,067 Speaker 3: So if they don't, if he doesn't get a seat 184 00:10:12,107 --> 00:10:14,467 Speaker 3: in Formula one next year, and believe me, if he 185 00:10:14,507 --> 00:10:16,347 Speaker 3: gets a seat, I don't think he's going to be 186 00:10:16,427 --> 00:10:19,387 Speaker 3: comfortable in that seat for the first I don't know 187 00:10:19,907 --> 00:10:22,227 Speaker 3: four or five six races half the season next year 188 00:10:22,267 --> 00:10:25,507 Speaker 3: until he really gets his mojo back again. It's difficult 189 00:10:25,587 --> 00:10:29,747 Speaker 3: to do, but he has the talent, he has the ability, 190 00:10:29,907 --> 00:10:33,107 Speaker 3: he has the age on his side, and I believe 191 00:10:33,147 --> 00:10:36,147 Speaker 3: he has the determination to do it. So Yeah, if 192 00:10:36,147 --> 00:10:39,067 Speaker 3: he gets a seat, I think I think he'll He'll 193 00:10:39,587 --> 00:10:41,667 Speaker 3: go on. He'll go on, he won't just stall. 194 00:10:42,307 --> 00:10:44,867 Speaker 2: The clock is ticking. Fascinating analysis. Bob, thanks so much 195 00:10:44,907 --> 00:10:46,707 Speaker 2: for joining us, todight. Really appreciate your time. 196 00:10:47,307 --> 00:10:49,667 Speaker 3: Thanks Poney. And one good thing that's come out of today, 197 00:10:49,707 --> 00:10:53,547 Speaker 3: I just read that Seane mang gisberg has signed to 198 00:10:53,587 --> 00:10:56,187 Speaker 3: do a full season of NASCAR in the big Game, 199 00:10:56,187 --> 00:10:59,507 Speaker 3: the NASCAR Cup next year. Somebody else we can watch progress. 200 00:10:59,587 --> 00:11:02,507 Speaker 2: Yeah, terrific news. Thanks again, Bob. I appreciate it. Thanks Penny, 201 00:11:02,587 --> 00:11:04,747 Speaker 2: Thanks Bob, Bob Murray there. Yeah, that's good news at 202 00:11:04,747 --> 00:11:07,347 Speaker 2: the end that Bob has picked up on as well. 203 00:11:07,387 --> 00:11:10,467 Speaker 2: Shane van Gisbergen will be a full time competitor in 204 00:11:10,507 --> 00:11:14,347 Speaker 2: the NASCAR Cup Series next year, Trackhouse Racing confirming he'll 205 00:11:14,347 --> 00:11:18,187 Speaker 2: pilot their third car in NASCAR's top division. He's been 206 00:11:18,267 --> 00:11:22,027 Speaker 2: racing in the second tier Exfinity Series this year and 207 00:11:22,107 --> 00:11:24,707 Speaker 2: has already secured a playoff's birth with wins in Portland, 208 00:11:24,947 --> 00:11:28,547 Speaker 2: Sonoma and Chicago. He's a three time Australian Supercars champion. 209 00:11:28,587 --> 00:11:32,507 Speaker 2: Of course. He's also contested seven Cup Series races this year, 210 00:11:32,747 --> 00:11:35,227 Speaker 2: but next year it'll be full time in the Cup 211 00:11:35,307 --> 00:11:38,907 Speaker 2: Series for the Giz Shane van Gisbergen. Really interesting thoughts 212 00:11:38,947 --> 00:11:40,707 Speaker 2: on Liam Lawson as well to hear Bob's are at 213 00:11:40,707 --> 00:11:43,227 Speaker 2: the end there. If he doesn't drive full time next year, 214 00:11:43,227 --> 00:11:46,507 Speaker 2: that'll be his Formula One career over because he would 215 00:11:46,507 --> 00:11:48,587 Speaker 2: have had two years out basically and just won't be 216 00:11:48,587 --> 00:11:52,067 Speaker 2: able to catch up. So if you're Liam Lawson, you're 217 00:11:52,107 --> 00:11:55,987 Speaker 2: demanding an answer from red Ball, aren't you. I know 218 00:11:56,027 --> 00:11:58,947 Speaker 2: it's political now, it's difficult, but if you don't have 219 00:11:59,307 --> 00:12:02,467 Speaker 2: some sort of pretty close to one hundred percent guarantee 220 00:12:02,507 --> 00:12:06,347 Speaker 2: that you can get a seat, you go elsewhere, don't you. 221 00:12:06,467 --> 00:12:08,347 Speaker 2: And by the sounds of it, there are others who 222 00:12:08,387 --> 00:12:11,467 Speaker 2: would pick them up. 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