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Speaker 1: Government's third Corter Action Plan will focus on law and order.

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Speaker 1: It's going to pass four bits of law to crack

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Speaker 1: down on criminal activity, including a band on game patches,

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Speaker 1: letting police confiscate firearms. Of course, are we at last

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Speaker 1: onto something effective here? A chair of the Dairy and

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Speaker 1: Business Owners Group Sunny courtcials back whether a sunny very

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Speaker 1: good morning to you?

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Speaker 2: Good morning Mike.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel that we're getting somewhere or not?

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Speaker 2: Look, the government is on right track, you know. We

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Speaker 2: are seeing police getting on front foot. That's a good

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Speaker 2: sign and there need to be consequences and we haven't

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Speaker 2: seen this from years, you know. Good to see crackdown

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Speaker 2: on bad behavior like over the wrong weekend the boydases

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Speaker 2: were hit with large operations in Wellington, christ Church, Manuatu.

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Speaker 2: So suddenly we're seeing the efforts coming through here.

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Speaker 1: Good. What about the courts and whether the justices are

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Speaker 1: on board around these new laws and sentencing and things

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Speaker 1: like that. Do you see that yet and do you

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Speaker 1: worry that they won't ever be on board?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look, we need a lot more needs to be

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Speaker 2: done here. We would like to see powers to security guards,

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Speaker 2: shopkeepers and to be honest for any right thinking kibi,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about farmers, So any business owners the citizens

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Speaker 2: asked powers in most cases do not kick off until

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Speaker 2: nine pm.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that as much as you want that

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Speaker 1: that's realistic. How many dairy owners do you reckon if

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Speaker 1: given the power, would actually execute a citizen's arrest? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Well, a majority of them would write because they are

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Speaker 2: responsible citizens of New Zealand and they know what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: You know, they should not be attacked every day by

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Speaker 2: the corporators. And we would like to see some changes.

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Speaker 2: And also the law of self defense need to be

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Speaker 2: redefined or clarified.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to Mike Mitchell, police Minister, on the

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Speaker 1: program before un six o'clock this morning. He suggested the

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Speaker 1: police are basically what you're seeing here is what the

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Speaker 1: police always wanted to do. In other words, they were

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Speaker 1: simply held back by the previous government and now they're

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Speaker 1: doing what they want to do. Would that be your assessment?

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Speaker 2: Well, the solution is to going back to the you know,

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Speaker 2: the the bottle seventeen twenty seventeen model, and the police

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Speaker 2: need to be out there and that's the deterrent factor.

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Speaker 2: Most of the keywis would like to see happening right now.

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Speaker 2: The offenders, they have no fear of law, no fear

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Speaker 2: of police, no fear of being caught or any consequences whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully things are changing. Sonny good to catch up. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: to Sonny Koschel, who's the theory in business owners hit.

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