1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Right, got the outline of the Rugby Union's planned to 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: go and find a new All Blacks coach. So we 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: have a five person panel. The successful applicant will have 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: test level coaching experience, be in New Zealand and will 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: be appointed head coach only Now. Steve Lancaster is the 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: interim CEO of the Union and as with us, morning 7 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: to you, morning Mike, nice to see you. That doesn't 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: need to be this convoluted. 9 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: Well, we actually think we set out a very clear 10 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: and simple process, very simple criteria for the candidate and 11 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: a very straightforward process to move to an appointment. 12 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: What happened to the just if you're interested, give us 13 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: a call. 14 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 2: Well, we certainly open to calls from anyone that's interested, 15 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: but we've been very clear around the minimum criteria for 16 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: someone to be appointed into the role. And to give 17 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: you some some rationale for that, we're midway through the 18 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: World Cup cycle, we're two years out from the next 19 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: World Cup. We simply don't have time for someone to 20 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: find their feet at this level. So we are looking 21 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: for someone that can come in and hit the ground. 22 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: Rund, do you have someone in mind? And if not, 23 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: why not? 24 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: Because David Kok was very clear at the time of 25 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: announcing that would be commencing this that that we want 26 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: a custody as wide as possible. We've we've refined the 27 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: list of candidates by virtue of the criteria, but it's 28 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 2: an open process. 29 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: So in putting that criteria out, you've not honed it 30 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: with a view to chasing down somebody. Honestly, you don't 31 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: sit at the office beer on Friday and you go 32 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: tell you what if he was available, wouldn't he be cool? 33 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: You've never done that. 34 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: Every office does that on a Friday. House is no different. 35 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: The coach. I don't know what to get more exercised 36 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: about the New Zealander thing. I get the level what 37 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: you seem to be saying is you can't be an 38 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: assistant coach or an up and comer or a star 39 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: of the future to be an all black coach. You've 40 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: got to do that somewhere else before we'll pick you. 41 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: Is that fair at. 42 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: This point in time? We think it's appropriate. Right, this 43 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: is and this is a very much a point in 44 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: time criteria, given where we're at in the cycle and 45 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: the overall context. 46 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: Okay, the inability to bring your team. So I follow 47 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: the unif Hell, what they do the first thing they 48 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: do is they hire the coach. The coach goes, I've 49 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: got him and him why not? Why can't we do that? 50 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: Again, this is contextual, right, We're in the middle of 51 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: a cycle. We've got an existed group. They're very capable, 52 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: very experienced, and so we've been clear right now that 53 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: we are not asking people to bring a coaching group 54 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: with them. We want them to come in and then 55 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 2: we'll make decisions once you're a point. 56 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: But what if the fit's not right? What if the 57 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: coach is brilliant but he doesn't want them, and that's 58 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: the difference in it. 59 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly they will have a say in that. But again, 60 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: what we're asking them to do is come and apply 61 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: for the role of head coach and then we'll have 62 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 2: those conversations rather than expect them to have all. 63 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: But you don't think you're limiting yourself on that sense. Okay, 64 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: the New Zealand thing. Do you think there will ever 65 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: be a day where we just go whoever's good's good? 66 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: I would never say never on that, right, it's dangerous 67 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 2: to speculate into the future. And as you've just said, 68 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: we don't want to cut off options in the future. 69 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: So for now we believe that we've got it right. 70 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: We're lucky in New Zealand. We've got a lot of 71 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: New Zealand coaches that do have international experience as head coaches, 72 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: and so we don't believe we need to go outside 73 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: of that presently. But I'll never say never in the future. 74 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: And what about your job? When does that get sorted out? 75 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: I'm in it now, No, no interim. Are you going 76 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: to be permanent? 77 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: Look, that's a separate process, the border leading that, so 78 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: it's not for me to comment. 79 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: Okay, but when will that be sorted out? Timeline? And 80 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: when will the coach job be sorted out? 81 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: Here? Yeah, well, I guess in both cases there's no 82 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: definitive timeline and that's just due to the nature of 83 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: these processes. So both processes are running concurrently and both 84 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: are underway and tracking well. 85 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: Busy time, good to see. Appreciate it very much. Steve Lancaster, 86 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: the interim CEO of the Rugby Union. For more from 87 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: the Mike Casking Breakfast, listen live to news talks. It'd 88 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.