1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,413 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,693 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,453 --> 00:00:15,053 Speaker 2: There'd be time to catch up with that. Sustainability commentator 4 00:00:15,133 --> 00:00:18,173 Speaker 2: Kate Hall is here and she's talking sustainable food this morning. 5 00:00:18,173 --> 00:00:19,773 Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning Jack. 6 00:00:19,893 --> 00:00:22,013 Speaker 2: Do you know when I think of sustainable food, I 7 00:00:22,013 --> 00:00:24,133 Speaker 2: think of the obvious stuff like or try not to 8 00:00:24,253 --> 00:00:27,373 Speaker 2: waste food around around the kitchen and that kind of thing. 9 00:00:27,453 --> 00:00:29,653 Speaker 2: But actually there are so many things that we can 10 00:00:29,693 --> 00:00:32,413 Speaker 2: do just to be a bit more sustainable in the kitchen. 11 00:00:32,453 --> 00:00:35,573 Speaker 2: And when you do think about the scale of waste 12 00:00:35,773 --> 00:00:37,733 Speaker 2: when it comes to food, it's really appalling. 13 00:00:38,253 --> 00:00:41,173 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, yes it is. I think people when 14 00:00:41,173 --> 00:00:44,533 Speaker 3: any substainable food, they think of like DGI garden, you know, 15 00:00:44,653 --> 00:00:47,493 Speaker 3: and like someone with a lifestyle block and they can 16 00:00:47,853 --> 00:00:49,413 Speaker 3: have a house cow, and. 17 00:00:49,613 --> 00:00:52,133 Speaker 2: Like, do not have a house cow? Is that what 18 00:00:52,133 --> 00:00:52,653 Speaker 2: you're telling me? 19 00:00:52,973 --> 00:00:54,293 Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like a house. 20 00:00:56,133 --> 00:00:56,453 Speaker 1: Baby. 21 00:01:00,733 --> 00:01:02,653 Speaker 2: But it's quite different, it is. 22 00:01:02,733 --> 00:01:05,893 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's different. And subtainal food doesn't that you don't 23 00:01:06,053 --> 00:01:08,413 Speaker 3: actually need a lot of land or a lot of 24 00:01:08,413 --> 00:01:11,133 Speaker 3: time to do it. I mean things do take time. 25 00:01:11,333 --> 00:01:14,413 Speaker 3: There are some simple things like you know, I make 26 00:01:14,493 --> 00:01:17,973 Speaker 3: k butcher, you know, so instead of buying fizzy drink 27 00:01:18,173 --> 00:01:20,733 Speaker 3: or you know, a nice dress. Making open butcher it's 28 00:01:20,813 --> 00:01:24,933 Speaker 3: so much more cost effective as well, And I've actually 29 00:01:24,973 --> 00:01:28,333 Speaker 3: gotten down to fine art that it would only take me, 30 00:01:28,573 --> 00:01:30,613 Speaker 3: you know, a few minutes. I just basically just make 31 00:01:30,733 --> 00:01:32,413 Speaker 3: peace put my scoby in it. 32 00:01:32,773 --> 00:01:35,613 Speaker 2: But there is one downside to that, and that's that 33 00:01:35,733 --> 00:01:38,453 Speaker 2: when any if anyone's ever visiting your house and they 34 00:01:38,493 --> 00:01:40,813 Speaker 2: open the fridge and there's like a jar with a 35 00:01:40,893 --> 00:01:43,573 Speaker 2: scoby in it, it looks like disturbing, like something else. 36 00:01:43,613 --> 00:01:46,613 Speaker 2: Because I've brewed my own butcher as well, and it 37 00:01:46,613 --> 00:01:47,733 Speaker 2: can be a shocking sight. 38 00:01:48,373 --> 00:01:51,213 Speaker 3: It can be. I have been known to just in 39 00:01:51,253 --> 00:01:53,333 Speaker 3: the evening take all my scobies out. I like to 40 00:01:53,373 --> 00:01:55,533 Speaker 3: like wash them and count them. I know this is 41 00:01:55,653 --> 00:01:58,853 Speaker 3: this is weird, but going off topic, but I am 42 00:01:58,853 --> 00:02:02,293 Speaker 3: the local scoby dealer and can butcher maker. But everyone 43 00:02:02,333 --> 00:02:04,733 Speaker 3: loves them, you know. I think for the grossness of 44 00:02:04,773 --> 00:02:07,533 Speaker 3: having some scobies in your fridge, the kambucher tastes great. 45 00:02:08,373 --> 00:02:11,013 Speaker 2: And so you can do that like not just with 46 00:02:11,093 --> 00:02:13,133 Speaker 2: kom butcher, but like making sauer krat or something like 47 00:02:13,173 --> 00:02:14,493 Speaker 2: that works pretty similarly. 48 00:02:14,613 --> 00:02:18,053 Speaker 3: Right, Absolutely, I've made saur krat before. Personally, isn't a 49 00:02:18,053 --> 00:02:21,493 Speaker 3: food I eat a lot, so I didn't kind of 50 00:02:22,093 --> 00:02:25,573 Speaker 3: open making that regularly. But yeah, basically it's just you know, 51 00:02:25,693 --> 00:02:28,093 Speaker 3: salty water doesn't take up too much space in your 52 00:02:28,133 --> 00:02:31,253 Speaker 3: pantry too. Bread is a really big one I think 53 00:02:31,533 --> 00:02:34,333 Speaker 3: for me when I think about sustainable food, looking at 54 00:02:34,333 --> 00:02:36,933 Speaker 3: the foods that you eat regularly. Because if you're going 55 00:02:36,973 --> 00:02:40,293 Speaker 3: to all this trouble to reduce waste around one thing, 56 00:02:40,533 --> 00:02:42,973 Speaker 3: you know that you don't doum very much. It's actually 57 00:02:43,453 --> 00:02:46,573 Speaker 3: probably not worth your time passing over. But something like 58 00:02:46,693 --> 00:02:50,013 Speaker 3: bread is a really awesome one that you can make yourself. 59 00:02:50,893 --> 00:02:54,573 Speaker 3: I first started making it, I found a recipe online 60 00:02:54,693 --> 00:02:57,173 Speaker 3: and it was like a very waste I'm clerely at 61 00:02:57,173 --> 00:03:00,093 Speaker 3: gluten free, so it also had to be free of 62 00:03:00,133 --> 00:03:04,453 Speaker 3: gluten and it was disgusting. Yeah, Like I genuinely remember 63 00:03:04,773 --> 00:03:08,173 Speaker 3: blocking my nose and eating it because I was like, 64 00:03:08,293 --> 00:03:11,973 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna waste this bread. Yeah, not good. But 65 00:03:12,373 --> 00:03:15,613 Speaker 3: over the years I have found buy my bread mixers 66 00:03:15,613 --> 00:03:18,373 Speaker 3: from the Alternative Bread Coat. She's a lady in fun 67 00:03:18,413 --> 00:03:21,213 Speaker 3: to Day who makes a bread mix takets me six 68 00:03:21,213 --> 00:03:23,253 Speaker 3: minutes and thirty seconds to put it together. 69 00:03:24,093 --> 00:03:28,053 Speaker 2: Wow, do you have a bread maker, no, no, and 70 00:03:28,133 --> 00:03:28,573 Speaker 2: an oven. 71 00:03:28,653 --> 00:03:29,893 Speaker 3: You could get a bread maker. Yeah. 72 00:03:29,973 --> 00:03:30,213 Speaker 1: Yeah. 73 00:03:30,253 --> 00:03:32,253 Speaker 3: Again it's just space. You know, lots of people live 74 00:03:32,253 --> 00:03:35,173 Speaker 3: an apartments and don't have space for all this stuff. 75 00:03:35,213 --> 00:03:38,333 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that is delicious. It is way more 76 00:03:38,333 --> 00:03:42,933 Speaker 3: cost effective than the super market. Yes, we're just focusing 77 00:03:42,973 --> 00:03:44,293 Speaker 3: on those main food groups. 78 00:03:44,373 --> 00:03:46,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I suppose you could do that with like yogurt. 79 00:03:47,053 --> 00:03:48,573 Speaker 2: I mean, there's actually quite a lot of stuff you 80 00:03:48,573 --> 00:03:51,013 Speaker 2: can do now. So I don't Truthfully, I don't make 81 00:03:51,053 --> 00:03:52,813 Speaker 2: my own bread. I don't make my own yogurt, but 82 00:03:52,893 --> 00:03:57,853 Speaker 2: I do I do my own soda water. Ooh, you know, 83 00:03:58,093 --> 00:04:00,253 Speaker 2: because and it's an easy one. It is an easy 84 00:04:00,253 --> 00:04:03,213 Speaker 2: one to do, but just because for a couple of reasons. 85 00:04:03,253 --> 00:04:05,333 Speaker 2: First of all, it obviously seems very wasteful to be 86 00:04:05,373 --> 00:04:08,333 Speaker 2: buying like bottle after bottle, even though you can recycle 87 00:04:08,333 --> 00:04:10,533 Speaker 2: the bottles, it still seems a bit wasteful. But also, 88 00:04:10,573 --> 00:04:13,373 Speaker 2: I just get through so much soda water that if 89 00:04:13,413 --> 00:04:15,893 Speaker 2: I was buying it all at the supermarket I'd be 90 00:04:15,933 --> 00:04:18,373 Speaker 2: buying like four or five bottles a week. And that, 91 00:04:18,653 --> 00:04:20,933 Speaker 2: I mean, that's just like that's gonna be very inconvenient 92 00:04:20,973 --> 00:04:21,973 Speaker 2: for taking back to the car. 93 00:04:22,453 --> 00:04:26,413 Speaker 3: Oh totally. You can actually be really clever and you know, 94 00:04:26,493 --> 00:04:30,893 Speaker 3: not only cost affective, but space effective, you know, like 95 00:04:31,453 --> 00:04:34,093 Speaker 3: because again all these things take space from your pantry 96 00:04:34,133 --> 00:04:36,333 Speaker 3: and people go, oh, it's just too much it but 97 00:04:36,693 --> 00:04:38,653 Speaker 3: if you try, it's one thing. And you know, even 98 00:04:38,693 --> 00:04:42,013 Speaker 3: on the bread bread situation, if you can't make your 99 00:04:42,013 --> 00:04:45,653 Speaker 3: own bread, you can likely find a bakery close to 100 00:04:45,693 --> 00:04:48,653 Speaker 3: you and just bring a fabric bag or a pillow cake, yeah, right, 101 00:04:48,973 --> 00:04:52,653 Speaker 3: something to pop it in. Because there's lots of doa 102 00:04:52,973 --> 00:04:54,853 Speaker 3: kind of basics you can make. But if you're not 103 00:04:54,893 --> 00:04:58,693 Speaker 3: a goy person, you can likely outsource that and still 104 00:04:58,733 --> 00:05:00,173 Speaker 3: in a sustainable, low waste way. 105 00:05:00,253 --> 00:05:03,733 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like buying bulk and you know, kind of 106 00:05:03,733 --> 00:05:07,013 Speaker 2: refilling your pantry staples, that's an obvious to do as well. 107 00:05:07,093 --> 00:05:10,653 Speaker 3: Yes, yep, especially I know, you know, before I had 108 00:05:10,773 --> 00:05:13,453 Speaker 3: a baby, I had the more freedom of time to 109 00:05:13,573 --> 00:05:15,973 Speaker 3: go to a bult than shop like quite regularly, probably 110 00:05:16,013 --> 00:05:18,413 Speaker 3: once a week or a couple of times a month. 111 00:05:19,453 --> 00:05:22,453 Speaker 3: But when you talk about buy and bulk and actually 112 00:05:22,613 --> 00:05:25,133 Speaker 3: buy like heaps of rice, heaps of sugar, yeah, you 113 00:05:25,213 --> 00:05:28,613 Speaker 3: can just do that every nice three months. Again, it 114 00:05:28,693 --> 00:05:31,413 Speaker 3: depends on how much pantry space you have, but it's 115 00:05:31,493 --> 00:05:33,933 Speaker 3: not actually a huge You don't have to go out 116 00:05:33,973 --> 00:05:38,213 Speaker 3: of your way very much to just buy those staples, herbs, spices, 117 00:05:38,573 --> 00:05:42,733 Speaker 3: baking ingredients. Yeah, it can actually just be a much 118 00:05:42,773 --> 00:05:44,133 Speaker 3: more effective way to do your shopping. 119 00:05:44,333 --> 00:05:46,853 Speaker 2: Yeah, can I add something to your list of ways 120 00:05:46,853 --> 00:05:48,933 Speaker 2: to be more sustainable in the kitchen. So I'm a 121 00:05:48,933 --> 00:05:52,413 Speaker 2: big believer and like just using what you've got sometimes, right, 122 00:05:52,453 --> 00:05:56,093 Speaker 2: So I just, for whatever reason, I just hate meal planning. 123 00:05:56,093 --> 00:05:57,533 Speaker 2: I think it's because it's at the end of the week. 124 00:05:57,573 --> 00:05:58,693 Speaker 2: For me, Like I get to the very end of 125 00:05:58,733 --> 00:06:00,333 Speaker 2: the week and We've got to go to the supermarket, 126 00:06:00,813 --> 00:06:02,933 Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, I just can't bear to think 127 00:06:02,973 --> 00:06:04,773 Speaker 2: about the weak ahead. And so we always kind of 128 00:06:04,773 --> 00:06:07,493 Speaker 2: plan for like, you know, we we have like we 129 00:06:07,533 --> 00:06:09,493 Speaker 2: have my food bags, so that comes to the first 130 00:06:09,493 --> 00:06:11,693 Speaker 2: three or four days, and then after that, I'm always like, 131 00:06:11,733 --> 00:06:14,573 Speaker 2: it's just clean up what if we've got. And a 132 00:06:14,613 --> 00:06:16,293 Speaker 2: good way to do that if you actually want to 133 00:06:16,293 --> 00:06:19,733 Speaker 2: have a meal meal is to put what if you've 134 00:06:19,773 --> 00:06:24,093 Speaker 2: got in the pantry into AI. So you go to 135 00:06:24,173 --> 00:06:26,293 Speaker 2: check GPT or anything else and you go like, what 136 00:06:26,373 --> 00:06:28,213 Speaker 2: could I make out of this that would be nice. 137 00:06:29,893 --> 00:06:30,413 Speaker 2: Quite good. 138 00:06:30,613 --> 00:06:34,933 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've totally done that before. Yeah, it definitely works. 139 00:06:35,173 --> 00:06:38,733 Speaker 3: Also if you don't have AI or you're not you 140 00:06:38,813 --> 00:06:39,893 Speaker 3: know on that band Megan. 141 00:06:40,173 --> 00:06:40,413 Speaker 1: Yet. 142 00:06:40,813 --> 00:06:43,293 Speaker 3: One thing I do with all of the vegetables in 143 00:06:43,453 --> 00:06:46,373 Speaker 3: my in the fridge especially that needs to be used up, 144 00:06:46,773 --> 00:06:49,173 Speaker 3: I seen them or freight them, depending on what they are. 145 00:06:49,613 --> 00:06:51,573 Speaker 3: I blend them and put them. 146 00:06:51,413 --> 00:06:55,213 Speaker 1: On past Oh yeah, immediately. 147 00:06:55,333 --> 00:06:57,413 Speaker 3: And you don't have to you don't really have to 148 00:06:57,413 --> 00:06:59,973 Speaker 3: think about it. Like, as long as there's checking a 149 00:07:00,013 --> 00:07:03,813 Speaker 3: few consultants and spices, it always makes a pasta sauce 150 00:07:03,853 --> 00:07:04,813 Speaker 3: and it's always different. 151 00:07:05,213 --> 00:07:08,493 Speaker 2: That's a good idea. Yeah, okay, can I can I 152 00:07:08,533 --> 00:07:11,173 Speaker 2: add one last thing to it? Then? And this is 153 00:07:11,213 --> 00:07:13,813 Speaker 2: maybe I mean, not something for everyone necessarily, but for 154 00:07:13,853 --> 00:07:15,253 Speaker 2: those of us who do enjoy a little bit of 155 00:07:15,333 --> 00:07:20,133 Speaker 2: meat sometimes have a little bit of tcharzo in your 156 00:07:20,133 --> 00:07:23,693 Speaker 2: fridge because charita lasts ages obviously because it's all cured. 157 00:07:24,173 --> 00:07:26,733 Speaker 2: And then like a little bit of charita goes so 158 00:07:27,013 --> 00:07:30,773 Speaker 2: far so exactly so, if you were doing your steam 159 00:07:30,853 --> 00:07:32,573 Speaker 2: vigi's that are kind of pass their best, but you're 160 00:07:32,573 --> 00:07:34,613 Speaker 2: turning then and talk to pass this horse, maybe you 161 00:07:34,613 --> 00:07:36,453 Speaker 2: got a little bit of garlic, and then you've just 162 00:07:36,453 --> 00:07:40,093 Speaker 2: got honestly, like a third of a chiriza sausage is 163 00:07:40,133 --> 00:07:41,893 Speaker 2: more than enough for one person for dinner, Like it 164 00:07:41,973 --> 00:07:43,973 Speaker 2: just goes so far and it really makes a meal. 165 00:07:44,053 --> 00:07:44,573 Speaker 2: So there you go. 166 00:07:45,213 --> 00:07:45,933 Speaker 3: I'm getting hungry. 167 00:07:47,053 --> 00:07:50,853 Speaker 2: Ye. Look look at us teaming up. Eh No, I 168 00:07:50,893 --> 00:07:53,413 Speaker 2: love that cool. Hey, thank you so much. We're going 169 00:07:53,453 --> 00:07:55,293 Speaker 2: to make sure all of those tips and recommendations are 170 00:07:55,293 --> 00:07:58,333 Speaker 2: on the news Talk ZP website. You have a wonderful weekend, 171 00:07:58,373 --> 00:08:01,093 Speaker 2: and I am all I can do is assure you 172 00:08:01,133 --> 00:08:02,893 Speaker 2: that no one thinks of you as a house cow 173 00:08:03,013 --> 00:08:03,413 Speaker 2: right now. 174 00:08:04,293 --> 00:08:04,693 Speaker 3: Thank you? 175 00:08:04,773 --> 00:08:07,373 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, keep up its great work, Kate. We'll see 176 00:08:07,373 --> 00:08:09,493 Speaker 2: you again soon, Kate. 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