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Speaker 1: Pressing the newspakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's hither Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected new stalk zaid be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 3: Chris Hopkins is going to be with us, talk us

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Speaker 3: through whether he's really going to stick with that oil

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Speaker 3: and gaspan. We're going to get you the latest on

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Speaker 3: the Pulkinghorn trial. The defense lawyer is really having a

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Speaker 3: crack at the investigating cops at the moment, and is

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Speaker 3: the country's toughest prison unit just too tough on the prisoners.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen, I reckon.

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Speaker 3: There was actually quite a smart move from Chris Luckson

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Speaker 3: yesterday calling on opposition parties to support the government in

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Speaker 3: fixing this energy crisis that we find ourselves in at

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Speaker 3: the moment. Not only was it a smart move because

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Speaker 3: this is serious. We've got businesses closing down and cutting

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Speaker 3: jobs because they cannot afford their power bills at the moment,

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Speaker 3: and if it's that serious, it really does require everyone

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Speaker 3: in Parliament to be grown ups about it. But it's

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Speaker 3: also a smart move because I think it's going to

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Speaker 3: eventually politically snooker Labor on that oil and gas ban,

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Speaker 3: and I reckon they are starting to get in a

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Speaker 3: little bit of trouble on it now at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Mind blowingly, Labor is still committed to this absolutely ridiculous idea.

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Speaker 3: I mean even yesterday Chris Hopkins Boulders Brass said, nap,

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Speaker 3: it's a bottom line. They are absolutely going to bring

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Speaker 3: back the oil and gas ban. But I wonder if

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Speaker 3: this is something that they're saying until they say the opposite,

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Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? They're going to hold

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Speaker 3: this line hard until they change their minds on it,

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Speaker 3: because I don't think that they can hold this line forever.

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Speaker 3: Their argument at the moment, this is Labour's argument at

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Speaker 3: the moment, basically is the climate is more important than

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Speaker 3: two hundred and thirty mil jobs in the Ruapehu district

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Speaker 3: and three hundred jobs at Methanex in Taranaki. And however

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Speaker 3: many other jobs are lost around the country at businesses

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Speaker 3: that close down now because they can't afford the power bills,

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Speaker 3: because we're running out of gas and we're not trying

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Speaker 3: to find anymore because labor won't let us try. That's

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Speaker 3: their argument. The climate is more important than those jobs.

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Speaker 3: Labour's argument on why they need to maintain the ban

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Speaker 3: is just absolutely bollocks as well. I mean they go

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Speaker 3: around saying that there is no more gas out there. Basically,

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Speaker 3: yes there is. It is. There patently is gas out there.

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Speaker 3: There are two fields off the coast of the North

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Speaker 3: Island that have got gas. There's Twuty off Taranaki and

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Speaker 3: there's card Were off Raglin. Both are just sitting there.

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Speaker 3: We know they've got gas. Nobody's tapping them at the moment,

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Speaker 3: so it is out there. If Labor even really did

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Speaker 3: believe what it was saying, right, if it really believed

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Speaker 3: that there was no more gas out there, then why

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Speaker 3: do you need a ban. Just lift the band, let

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Speaker 3: the investors trick themselves and go and keep exploring for

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Speaker 3: this non existent gas. It's not going to do us

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Speaker 3: any harm if they because there's no gas to find apparently.

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Speaker 3: But in the meantime we're going to benefit from the

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Speaker 3: fact that these companies bring their equipment down and maintain

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Speaker 3: the wells we've already got.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I do not think that Labour's in trouble on this

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Speaker 3: just yet. I reckon they've got a bit of time,

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Speaker 3: which is why they're holding the line and saying they're

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Speaker 3: going to bring this band back. And my reason, the

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Speaker 3: reason I reckon they're not in trouble at the moment

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Speaker 3: is because most Kiwis are not affected yet. Most of

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Speaker 3: us do not work at Method X or any of

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Speaker 3: these businesses being shut down right now. But come April,

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Speaker 3: our power bills are all going to go up. We

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Speaker 3: are in for a nasty shock and when we see

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Speaker 3: the cost of the span on every single one of us,

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Speaker 3: Labour might have to come round to dropping this policy.

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Speaker 1: Togever do for ce Ellen, Labour's with us.

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Speaker 3: Chris Hapkins is with us after five o'clock. Now to

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Speaker 3: a matter that's going on in Wellington. Posties in the

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Speaker 3: Capitol are refusing to deliver a pamphlet that is meant

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Speaker 3: to go to eighty thousand homes. The pamphlet is from

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Speaker 3: a political campaign group called Beta Wellington and some posters

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Speaker 3: have said that they are uncomfortable delivering the pamphlet because

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Speaker 3: they reckon it contains misinformation. Now, their boss, New Zealand

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Speaker 3: post says this is not on It's not their job

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Speaker 3: to do this. John Maynard is the co president of

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Speaker 3: the Postal Workers' Union and with us. Now, hey, John

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Speaker 3: hib what's the problem with the pamphlet is at the

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Speaker 3: mosque bit.

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Speaker 5: The problem is that, oh, they can say whatever they

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Speaker 5: like about the City Council, and you know, people have

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Speaker 5: got their abuse, but you've got to be a bit

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Speaker 5: careful when you're talking about matters of sensitive community relationships.

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Speaker 5: And their statement is not correct.

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Speaker 3: What's not right about their statement?

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Speaker 5: The statement says that the Welling City Council wants six

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Speaker 5: mosques to broadcast the Call to Prayer across Wellington and

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Speaker 5: a nice board statement like that, well is.

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Speaker 3: Your problem is are you are you do you have

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Speaker 3: a problem with semantics because you know Wellington City Council

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Speaker 3: is looking into the same.

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Speaker 5: Indeed, so what they could have said was the Welling

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Speaker 5: City Council and the Islomic community having discussions about what

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Speaker 5: might be an appropriate time or place or process to

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Speaker 5: do something like this.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, John Han going, are you telling me right

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Speaker 3: now that you accept that Wellington City Council is considering

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Speaker 3: allowing the Call to Prayer to be broadcast.

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Speaker 5: They having a discussion with the Islamic community.

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Speaker 3: And so you're accepting, you accepting that this thing is

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Speaker 3: a potential, But you have a problem with the way

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Speaker 3: that it's been phrased.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I think it's.

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Speaker 3: That's that's ridiculou. I mean I could understand if you

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Speaker 3: people were not delivering a pamphlet, because what explain to

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Speaker 3: me what is misinformation about it is.

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Speaker 5: This is misleading. Anybody who reads that thinks, oh, we're

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Speaker 5: going to have the call to prayer every morning. That's

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Speaker 5: what when I've asked people to read it up, So

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Speaker 5: read it.

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Speaker 3: John, Does the sentence say every morning? Does it say

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Speaker 3: well into account?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 5: No, But it's been carefully written. When people write leaflets,

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Speaker 5: and I've written plenty of them myself, you're very careful

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Speaker 5: about the wording and you think about what are people

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Speaker 5: going to take from reading this. That's why I gave

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Speaker 5: it to people to read a pamphlet.

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Speaker 3: You and your post is a banning a pamphlet based

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Speaker 3: on what you think people are going to read into it.

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Speaker 5: Oh, we're asking banning it. We're asking New Zealand Posts

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Speaker 5: to assure us that the content is not illegal. Now

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Speaker 5: New Zealand Post was not sure whether the content was legal.

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Speaker 3: Under what law would it not be legal?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not a lawyer. We're asking the company to

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Speaker 5: assure us that it's legal, and they couldn't do that.

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Speaker 5: They couldn't assure us that it was what it was,

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Speaker 5: that it was legal.

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Speaker 3: Don't you got to have grounds to be asking something

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Speaker 3: like that, What Lord do you think they're breaking?

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Speaker 5: What Lord do we think they've broken? We've just asked

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Speaker 5: them that They sent us an email saying to us

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Speaker 5: it does not it's not obviously illegal. That's what they

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Speaker 5: said to us. Well that doesn't mean that it's legal.

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Speaker 5: So we've said back to them, well, if it's.

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Speaker 3: Not, do you want them do you want them to

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Speaker 3: tell you which laws it doesn't break? Because there's like

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Speaker 3: twenty thousands of them.

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Speaker 5: I think they need to be pretty careful about a

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Speaker 5: matter as sensitive as this. We know what happened in Christ.

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Speaker 5: This is something I mean, we've already had a city

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Speaker 5: councilor say that she thinks this would written to make

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Speaker 5: people angry. Now I'm not saying that, but that's an

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Speaker 5: opinion that's out.

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Speaker 3: It's written to make people angry. You're not the angry police,

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Speaker 3: are you?

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Speaker 5: You're posting No, we're not the angry police. No, No,

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Speaker 5: where the police. We want to deliver something if the

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Speaker 5: company can can can convince us that it is legal,

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Speaker 5: And the company couldn't convince us it was legal. Why

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Speaker 5: we have post delivering something that may not be legal.

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Speaker 3: I struggle to believe how many posters you got on Willington.

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Speaker 5: Forty or so.

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Speaker 3: I struggle to believe that forty posters have come to

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Speaker 3: this conclusion by themselves. You're putting them up to this,

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Speaker 3: aren't you, as the union.

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Speaker 5: Are not at all? It's the posters that came to us,

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Speaker 5: and I stood aside from a group of posts, discussion

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Speaker 5: came to you. What were they believe it enough? A

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Speaker 5: couple of his posters came a couple of them.

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Speaker 3: Suddenly forty don't want to deliver it.

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Speaker 5: That's correct, Yeah, are concerned. Forty are concerned. Forty are

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Speaker 5: concerned about what impact this flyer would have with that

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Speaker 5: statement in it, and agreed with us that we need

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Speaker 5: to check with the company that the content is legal.

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Speaker 3: Since when is it a union's job to get involved

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Speaker 3: in something like this. Aren't you supposed to be looking

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Speaker 3: after your employees rights and stuff like that?

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I mean the posters are people who

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Speaker 3: What are you guys now community, are you.

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Speaker 5: Not at all? We're asking New Zealand Posts to assure

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Speaker 5: us that the flyers legal. They haven't done that.

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Speaker 3: It's not a union's concern.

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Speaker 5: I think it is. I think it's the Post is

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Speaker 5: concerned because they are the ones putting it in everybody's letterbox.

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Speaker 5: In fact, the company first tried to get them to

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Speaker 5: in letter boxes with no circular signs on. That's what

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Speaker 5: first rage. The Post is concerned. What's so important about

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Speaker 5: this flyer that we're supposed to be putting it in

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Speaker 5: no circular boxes?

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Speaker 3: Well? Quite, I could be asking you the same question

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Speaker 3: about what's so important about this you people want to

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Speaker 3: make a stand on it? John? Thank you, John Maynard,

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Speaker 3: co president of the Postal Workers Union. Now listening to

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Speaker 3: that was Better Wellington spokesperson Alistair Boyce, who's with us now?

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Speaker 3: Boy C, Hello, Boyse, You know that you've written this

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Speaker 3: to make people angry though.

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Speaker 7: Ah no, we've done the whole flyer to expose I

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Speaker 7: know we're.

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Speaker 3: Doing just talk about the mosque, but okay, well there's

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Speaker 3: one mosque that's interested in this, and you know full

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Speaker 3: well that the only thing they want to do is

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Speaker 3: they want to broadcast the call to prayer just in

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Speaker 3: their in their grounds and just to the perimeter of

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Speaker 3: their grounds. Way you people have written this is designed

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Speaker 3: to make people angry, isn't it.

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Speaker 7: No, No, No. What we've done is highlighted the ideological

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Speaker 7: nature of this council, and we've exposed the dichotomy between

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Speaker 7: fiscal responsibility and ideology. So these guys that council keep

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Speaker 7: middling and social justice and culture wars when we really

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Speaker 7: want to take it down and thespect.

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Speaker 3: I take your point, but you can do it by

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Speaker 3: playing with a straight bat. And it's not all together straight,

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Speaker 3: is it.

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Speaker 7: We're had counselors that have seen that and said that

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Speaker 7: that's exactly what's happening, that it's the worst.

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Speaker 3: It's the worst possible scenario.

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Speaker 7: Well, no, it only says six miles to broadcast the

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Speaker 7: Islamic cause.

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Speaker 3: Are across two because I only know of one.

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Speaker 7: No, I'm not sure the inform all we're taking is

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Speaker 7: the information that's either in the media or put out

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Speaker 7: by counsel. So that's not correct. Council should correct us

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Speaker 7: Well why are they investigating it and getting their council

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Speaker 7: Well, hopefully we'll get some more people donating to Better

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c

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Speaker 3: Darcy water Grave is with me right now, Sports Talk Coast.

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Speaker 8: I bet that Graham Andersley is going to be apologizing

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Speaker 3: Now this, I mean, this is fair enough that they

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Speaker 8: Yes, and most last fans will be going well what

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Speaker 3: How could you miss it? The guy was stumbling around

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Speaker 3: No, it isn't.

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Speaker 8: And I don't think is it incompetence? Is it just

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Speaker 3: Darcy, thank you. I'm looking forward to hearing this in

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Speaker 3: your show later on. That's Darcy autograph. He'll be back

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Speaker 3: for sports talkers at seven four three.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 2: It's Hither Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: As they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Heather, well done. Unbelievable these unions. Hither or how often

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Speaker 3: do the posters deliver items that contain illicit items like

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Speaker 3: Very good point, James, Hither my letterbox has got no

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Speaker 3: junk mail posts always stick labor and green misinformation pamphlets

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Speaker 3: and bloody hell, Heather, does this guy check every item

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Speaker 3: What have you come on? You'll ever play that again?

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Speaker 2: Next hard questions, strong opinion, ever duper see Alan drive

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Speaker 3: Take bit of a revelation in the Pulkinghorn trial this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: It turns out that Pauline Hannah, his wife who he

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to Sam Emory out of Australia

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Speaker 3: should be Rick Astley's never going to give you up?

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Speaker 11: The space that people have been confined to is so minimal.

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Speaker 3: And finally he want me out to the ball game.

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance.

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Speaker 1: Peace of mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Sam Imriy is with us out of Australia. High knight,

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Speaker 13: manufacturing industries, and at eleven o'clock this morning, they downed

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Speaker 13: tools and walked off their jobs. So protesting this decision

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Speaker 13: to put the construction branch into administration last week following

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Speaker 13: some pretty big allegations and well known allegations of bullying,

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Speaker 13: corruption and criminal infiltration. Heather this building industry leaders are

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Speaker 13: worried about the potential for more action obviously in the

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Speaker 13: week's coming, and they're urging authorities to keep a close

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Speaker 13: watch on what happens. Thousands gathered in Sydney CBD this morning,

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Speaker 13: some of them traveling well over two hours from places

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Speaker 13: like a Newcastle to get there. In fact, it's so

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Speaker 13: big that the police are asking Cap City locals to

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Speaker 13: be patient and allow extra travel time. The Victorian Premiere

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Speaker 13: has come out saying that they're going to work with

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Speaker 13: the companies that are running these major projects to try

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Speaker 13: and deal with any of these impacts from the rallies.

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Speaker 13: The arm Budsman's come out warning that they'll be monitoring

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Speaker 13: these protests for any illegal industrial action, and just recently

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Speaker 13: Heather the PM weighed in as well with Albout warning

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Speaker 13: that there may be consequences for construction workers who strike today.

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Speaker 13: So for an industry that was very much on it's

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Speaker 13: on shaky legs already, it's going to be one to

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Speaker 13: watch and we'll see what the fallout will be.

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Speaker 3: What do you take from the construction workers going out

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Speaker 3: on strike? Does this say that they are unconcerned by

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Speaker 3: the allegations against the union or that they do not

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Speaker 3: believe them.

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Speaker 13: I think they're calling for more of a fair inquiry

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Speaker 13: into this rather than pulling it straight into administration. They're

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Speaker 13: saying that it's been too much of a heavy hand

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Speaker 13: from the government to sort of to pull them straight

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Speaker 13: into administration. That it obviously shows that they're fairly confident

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Speaker 13: that nothing wrong.

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Speaker 14: Has gone on.

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Speaker 13: But I think it's more a way of showing solidarity

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Speaker 13: more so than maybe whether or not they believe whether

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Speaker 13: it's the allegations are true.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, this situation with the airbnbs is fascinating. So

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Speaker 3: do you think that any counsels in Victoria are actually

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Speaker 3: going to block airbnbs?

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Speaker 13: Well, it's interesting, isn't Heather, Because if they do block them,

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Speaker 13: then what and what are you know, how do they

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Speaker 13: actually sort of enforce that and how do they then

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Speaker 13: make sure that it continues to happen. I mean, there

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Speaker 13: are forty eight thousand Victorian homes on Airbnb, for example,

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Speaker 13: and the Green say it's an investment. It's that investment

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Speaker 13: bottleneck that's obviously pushing the property prices up because it's

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Speaker 13: locking out buyers and renters. But the opposition is saying, no,

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Speaker 13: that's not the problem. You should be actually supporting the investors,

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Speaker 13: you know, giving them incentives to try and lower their

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Speaker 13: rent and make their properties more available.

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Speaker 14: You know.

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Speaker 13: It's really sort of it's hard to know how they

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Speaker 13: could actually police this heather, you know. But at the

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Speaker 13: same time, we do know that we are in one

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Speaker 13: of the biggest housing crisises that Australia's seen. People are

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Speaker 13: forgoing medicine and food to pay their rent, you know.

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Speaker 13: I'm certainly in that group here in Sydney at the moment.

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Speaker 13: You know, it's very difficult if you've got kids in

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Speaker 13: school and everything to try and have enough money to

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Speaker 13: have the bare necessities that we all think we should have.

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Speaker 13: So the reforms are due to come before Parliament this week.

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Speaker 13: I'm sure everyone will in Australia will be watching this

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Speaker 13: to see a if it gets up and then how

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Speaker 13: it goes once it's actually in play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, food point. I mean, I suppose it's pretty tough

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Speaker 3: and you want to blame someone, don't you. Listen This

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Speaker 3: AFL cout a coach who's chased after the car thie

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Speaker 3: for the suspected carfie. Who is this person? And did

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Speaker 3: they manage to do it? Like, did they manage to

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Speaker 3: actually apprehend them? Were they on foot or in the car?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well I've got answers to all those questions, Heather.

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Speaker 15: It was AFL co to Michael Voss, and he did

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Speaker 15: actually chase down and detain an alleged car thief who

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Speaker 15: tried to flee the scene of a crash in Melbourne

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Speaker 15: this morning. Was a sixteen year old near Melbourne school

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Speaker 15: around nine o'clock, so it would have been very busy,

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Speaker 15: and he tried to flee the scene. But little did

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Speaker 15: he know, Heather, that a very fast paced, middle aged

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Speaker 15: and most importantly, very fit professional football coach was hot

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Speaker 15: in his heels.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean, being on foot

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Speaker 3: like this guy struck it unlucky to have an AFL

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Speaker 3: coach chasing crick didn't he he really had?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: He really went because the cafe owners and he tried

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Speaker 13: to actually chase him down himself, but he said, next thing,

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Speaker 13: you know, boss, he just went straight past him because

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Speaker 13: he obviously had a bit of pay.

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Speaker 3: Still good from her mate, Thank you very much. Sam

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Speaker 3: really appreciated Sammy Marie the Australia correspondent Right, Barry soap

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Speaker 3: is going to be us next on politics sixteen Away

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Speaker 3: from five.

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Speaker 2: Politics was centrics credit, check your customers and get payments Certainty.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper, Senior Political correspondence with US. Hey barring, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon labor softening at stance on this?

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Speaker 16: While there was an interesting exchange in the house this afternoon. No,

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Speaker 16: the listeners can probably read what they will into it.

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Speaker 16: But there is in terms of security that any investor

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Speaker 16: in this country has to have. And a point that

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Speaker 16: was made by the offshore wind developer Blue Float Energy

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Speaker 16: then New Zealand manager Nathan Turner. He said that New Zealand,

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Speaker 16: if it wants to encourage investment, it needs a bipartisan

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Speaker 16: energy plan. Now that's been said time and time again

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Speaker 16: in Parliament now as he said that frequent changes and

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Speaker 16: policy from one election to another is certainly not helpful

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Speaker 16: to encourage investment into this country. Well, Resources Minister Shane

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Speaker 16: Jones was again at his lyrical best in Parliament this afternoon,

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Speaker 16: but did get I think something of an undertaking from

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Speaker 16: Chris Sipkins that any contract entered into by this government

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Speaker 16: will be honored by a government led by him.

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Speaker 17: Listen, well, what is happening with this House that the

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Speaker 17: beauty of language and robust expressions suddenly are turning the

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Speaker 17: other side into sobs. It is a very bleak day

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Speaker 17: that members of this House feel they have the right

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Speaker 17: to threaten and further undermine sovereign risk of investment.

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Speaker 18: There has been no claim on this side of the

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Speaker 18: House that we would cancel contracts already entered into.

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Speaker 3: So odd on that's not true though, Well, no, it's

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Speaker 3: not what's going One of their mp was Rachel Brooking

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Speaker 3: Well said that they would do that.

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Speaker 16: It's not only her, there was the Greens. They will

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Speaker 16: be part of any future coalition government and they've vehemently

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Speaker 16: opposed to any certainly lifting of the oil and gas band.

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Speaker 16: But any contract I would imagine being honored beyond that.

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Speaker 16: So and James Shaw. Last November he was saying that

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Speaker 16: even if there was a viable fine, production is unlikely

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Speaker 16: to begin in three the three years of this government,

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Speaker 16: six or even years and after that who knows. So

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Speaker 16: they're still muddying the water the greens. But I think

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Speaker 16: certainly maybe Chris Hopkins has moved towards well, maybe giving

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Speaker 16: the investors a better steer.

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Speaker 3: Where they may have some wiggle room. Is that Rachel Brooking,

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Speaker 3: who's the environment spokesperson, did not say that they would

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Speaker 3: revoke consents as far as I can see. She said

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Speaker 3: that they would consider that and that there would be

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Speaker 3: on a case by case basis. So she left the

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Speaker 3: door open, which is basically like close enough for.

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Speaker 16: Hawkins is basically saying any contract that entered into will

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Speaker 16: be hon.

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Speaker 3: It all interesting stuff. Hey, so Shane Jones, do you

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Speaker 3: remember he labeled that High Court judge of communists?

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Speaker 16: He's been a busy boy in part Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Twist in this story, isn't it?

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Speaker 16: Well, it's interesting because the High Court judge question is

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Speaker 16: just Justice Sheryl Gwynn. Now she recently awarded the customary

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Speaker 16: title to Mali, and that's caused all sorts of problem

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Speaker 16: At the moment that Jones said he couldn't remember the

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Speaker 16: context of what he said when he initially called her

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Speaker 16: a communist, but he said political rhetoric that goes without

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Speaker 16: saying politicians do that. But in the House, Chris Luxen

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Speaker 16: faced questions from Chris Sipkins over the independence of the

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Speaker 16: judiciary from Parliament to where the Jones comments were inappropriate.

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Speaker 18: Jane Jones renewed as attacks last week, calling a High

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Speaker 18: Court judge a communist.

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Speaker 19: Matter of fact, you'd have to ask the minister about that,

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Speaker 19: but what I'd say is that he was being descriptive,

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Speaker 19: not critical.

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Speaker 18: Is it acceptable for a minister in his government to

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Speaker 18: describe a judge as a communist?

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Speaker 19: The comments are descriptive, not critical. That's exactly what has

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Speaker 19: happens on the public record. They may not have been

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Speaker 19: the words that I'd use, but he's perfectly free to

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Speaker 19: do so.

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Speaker 1: As the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 19: Surprised that the leader of the Labor Party believes communist

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Speaker 19: is a critical term.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, Well, the fact is that Justice Quinn once belonged

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Speaker 16: to the Socialist Action League. I've looked that up. That

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Speaker 16: particular league. It renamed itself in the late eighties to

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Speaker 16: the Communist League. She had been a member of it,

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Speaker 16: and she was appointed to the High Bench by David

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Speaker 16: Parker in twenty nineteen. But the irony in all of

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Speaker 16: this story here that to me is that she was

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Speaker 16: also appointed as an Inspected General of Intelligence and Security.

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Speaker 16: So the head spy in this country as a communist

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Speaker 16: in two thousand was a communist. Oh how good is that?

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Speaker 16: But that was appointed by the NATS of course, so

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Speaker 16: you know, she's had an interesting career.

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Speaker 3: So Shane Jones gets away with that one because it

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Speaker 3: was as a statement of facts. He does as you

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Speaker 3: liking Phase two of the COVID inquiry.

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Speaker 16: Well, it's interesting, isn't it, because we're not through phase

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Speaker 16: one yet. That'll finish in November when Tony Blakeley, who

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Speaker 16: the instrum marks raised over the epidemiologists in Australia. They'll

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Speaker 16: finish up and then the new loss what happened, So

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Speaker 16: you're going to have to me it's going to be

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Speaker 16: quite interesting, two quite separate reports, and the terms of

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Speaker 16: reference for the second phase could be much more critical

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Speaker 16: of the government than.

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Speaker 3: The first, the former government.

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Speaker 16: The former government.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I suspect that's exactly what's going to happen. Barry,

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Speaker 3: Thank you always appreciated, Barry so, but seeing your political

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Speaker 3: correspondent eight away from five.

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Speaker 2: Digging into the issues that affect you the mic Hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 9: Heaven forbid.

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Speaker 19: You should make up your own mind as to how

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Speaker 19: you're employed and what the rules of engagement are.

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Speaker 4: Were you courts to do that?

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Speaker 9: And when you you need to look after you?

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Speaker 18: Apparently, if I decide to do something, that's my choice,

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Speaker 18: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well not a New Zealand law.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, if they said this afternoon, go how quickly could

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Speaker 3: you make it happen?

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Speaker 20: I think our part of the physical infrastructure is actually

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Speaker 20: relatively straightforward.

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Speaker 2: Back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosking with the

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Speaker 2: rain driver the Lahne News talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Chippy's with us after five, so he's gonna be

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Speaker 3: with us in about twelve minutes time. It's five away

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Speaker 3: from five at the moment. By the way, he has

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Speaker 3: this afternoon confirmed that the Labor Party is considering what

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Speaker 3: they're going to do tax wise. It is a live

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Speaker 3: discussion to get a load of this. This is what

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Speaker 3: we're thinking about. There is a lot of conversation within

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Speaker 3: the Labor Party at the moment around different forms of taxation,

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Speaker 3: capital gains tax, wealth tax combinations of capital gains tax

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Speaker 3: and wealth tax. Also land taxes. Yay, can't wait for

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Speaker 3: all of that to happen anyway, I might just ask

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Speaker 3: him about that once we've done dealing with the oil

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Speaker 3: and gas band. Also, I've got to get you across

661
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Speaker 3: what's just happened with the copper ZEP just had to

662
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Speaker 3: win over the headhunters, and I think all of us

663
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Speaker 3: will be pretty stoked about that. Right here we go

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Speaker 3: the top twenty one hit wonders of all time. Right

665
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Speaker 3: we've done Tommy two Tone, Jenny Jenny, Sucky Song, Michael

666
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: Simbalomaniac Awesome Song, Len Steel My Sunshine comes in at

667
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: number three. The Spirit in the Sky is number four. Woomp,

668
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: there it is is number five. Breakfast to Tiffany's is

669
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Speaker 3: number six. Wait for it, wait, wait for it. We're

670
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 3: getting to it. Would I lie to you as number seven? Mickey,

671
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Speaker 3: Oh mcgirl, that's that's number eight. I'm only going to

672
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: give you the top ten because after that it dies away.

673
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Speaker 3: A Number nine is White Town, You're Woman, And number

674
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Speaker 3: ten is an absolute banger that's a bit in nineteen

675
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: eighties sacks coming at you.

676
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 21: Isn't It makes you want to pot on your your

677
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 21: shoulder pads and your shiny gray suit, your weird tie.

678
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: Boy meets Girl who even knew that that's what the

679
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: band was called? Boy meets Girl waiting for a starter

680
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: for and by the way, the eighties are the best,

681
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: the best decade for one hit wonders. Something happened, something

682
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: was in the water in the eighties and everybody just

683
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 3: started writing one good song, nothing else, just the one.

684
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: And also, oh, this is going to make you feel old.

685
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: In six years time, it's going to be twenty thirty.

686
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Speaker 3: And in six years time the eighties are going to

687
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Speaker 3: be fifty years old. Fifty years old. Absolute Dinosaur.

688
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Speaker 22: Enjoy the only drive show you can trust to ask

689
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Speaker 22: the questions, get the answers, by the facts, and give

690
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Speaker 22: the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Together due to Clan Drive.

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Speaker 2: With one New Zealand, let's get connected and news talk

693
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Speaker 2: as they'd be.

694
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Speaker 3: Afternoon. The government's calling on Labor Party to support what

695
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Speaker 3: they're trying to do to fix the electricity sector, including

696
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Speaker 3: bringing back oil and gas exploration. Now, the reason that

697
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: this is important is because as long as the Labor

698
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: Party threatens to bring that band back when they're back

699
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Speaker 3: in government. The industry will not come back. Chris Hopkins

700
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Speaker 3: is the labor leader and with us now, sure, how

701
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Speaker 3: are you and well, thank you very much. Are you

702
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: going to bring the band back?

703
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Speaker 23: Oh, we've said that we're opposed to the removal of

704
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Speaker 23: the oil and gas that you know, the band on

705
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Speaker 23: new oil and gas exploration offshore, and we would reinstate

706
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Speaker 23: that again. We've got an abundance of renewable electricity opportunities

707
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Speaker 23: in New Zealand. There's literally thousands of megawatts of our

708
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 23: new renewable electricity generation already consented. We should be building

709
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Speaker 23: that now and we wouldn't have an energy shortage.

710
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're not building it right, So we need

711
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Speaker 3: the gas, don't we? Do you accept that we need

712
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 3: the games?

713
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Speaker 23: But Huntly is actually, if you talk to the people

714
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Speaker 23: building renewable at the electricity I'll say that the burning

715
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Speaker 23: of fossil fuels is one of the things that disincentivizes

716
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Speaker 23: the investment of renewables. So what you got to do

717
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 23: is you've got to ask the question, if there's thousands

718
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Speaker 23: of megawatts already of renewable electricity consented that could be

719
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Speaker 23: built faster than thermal you know, faster than gas side stuff.

720
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Speaker 23: Why isn't the market building it now?

721
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Speaker 3: What do we do, though, Chippy?

722
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 23: Because the market's broken, The market's prioritizing. So when Huntley

723
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 23: charges those exorbitant prices for peak electricity, what that does

724
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Speaker 23: is it actually drives drives out the incentives to build

725
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Speaker 23: new renewable electricity. It's distorting the market. So we need

726
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Speaker 23: to be making sure that we're dealing with that problem

727
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 23: because the electric if you're if you're operating Huntly, your

728
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 23: incentive is to just maximize the profit. The way the

729
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 23: market works at the moment, that the problem.

730
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Speaker 3: If people were in government for six years, why didn't

731
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: you see that the stuff was being built?

732
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Speaker 23: Well, if you look at it, there's actually been a

733
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Speaker 23: big increase in the last couple of years. But we're

734
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Speaker 23: making up for the fact that for about ten years

735
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Speaker 23: the market wasn't building. Now it has started building.

736
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Speaker 7: In the life.

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Speaker 23: When did it start in the last couple of In

738
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Speaker 23: the last couple of years, the last two years or so,

739
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Speaker 23: there's actually been a big upswing in the in the

740
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Speaker 23: amount of new renewable electricity generation coming on stream.

741
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Speaker 3: And what did you do to make them build it?

742
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Speaker 23: Well, one of the things we were doing was making

743
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Speaker 23: sure that it was consented, and you know there's thousands

744
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Speaker 23: of megwats of it that has been consented. But actually

745
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Speaker 23: that will don't guess bad that the signals that the

746
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 23: government was sending and saying we don't think that fossil

747
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Speaker 23: fuels are the answer, actually helped to give the market

748
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 23: certainty to invest in the renewable electricity generation. What this

749
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 23: government is doing is by saying that they're going to

750
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Speaker 23: go back to oil and gas, they're actually saying to

751
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Speaker 23: renewable electricity producers that they don't think that that's the

752
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 23: way of the future. And I think that's in the

753
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 23: market the wrong signals.

754
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Speaker 3: So what do we do when the sun doesn't shine

755
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Speaker 3: and the wind doesn't blow and we haven't got enough

756
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Speaker 3: water in the dams at that point, we need fossil fuels,

757
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Speaker 3: don't we Well, no.

758
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Speaker 23: Not necessarily.

759
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: What would we do?

760
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Speaker 23: The question, well, the question becomes how you store it,

761
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 23: and how you use electricity.

762
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Speaker 3: Enhancement and how do you store it?

763
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Speaker 23: And you can do we can do things like pump hydro.

764
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Speaker 3: The current government, are you talking about that stupid like

765
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Speaker 3: onslow idea?

766
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Speaker 23: Again, Lake Consol was one variant of pump hydro, but

767
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 23: pump hydro is actually used quite commonly around.

768
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Speaker 3: The world as.

769
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Speaker 23: The way of storing electricity.

770
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Speaker 3: This is not listen. I mean, this is so frustrating

771
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: because it's like the last six years didn't happen. Did

772
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: you not listen to the industry who said that when

773
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: you guys suggested an idea as dumb, as like as

774
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 3: lake onslow, that is what stopped people building any more.

775
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 23: Generation When when you're talking about people in the industry

776
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 23: saying that you're talking about the generation retailers, Yeah, who don't.

777
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 23: They don't like the idea of some kind of battery,

778
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 23: which is what on is one of the options to

779
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 23: achieve battery. They don't like that because they want to

780
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 23: come on, men, bill profits.

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00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 3: You cannot tell me you are.

782
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 23: Always going to argue in favor of making bigger profits

783
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 23: over increasing supplies.

784
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 3: That's fine. Might agree on that, right, we may agree

785
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: on that, but it's not going to change the fundamentals

786
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: of how this market works. You cannot tell me that

787
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: you guys, when you're re elected, are going to go

788
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: on and do exactly the same thing that you did

789
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 3: last time and just put us back in this hole again,

790
00:37:59,520 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: is that what you.

791
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 23: Can to do when you're asking different questions, you're asking

792
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 23: what the alternatives are to using gas as a peak

793
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 23: electricity source. And what I'm saying is we need more

794
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 23: energy storage in New Zealand. Onslow is only one of

795
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 23: the ways that we can achieve that. There are other

796
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 23: ways of achieving that. PRIORROI, even on a smaller scale,

797
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 23: is one of the ways that you could look at

798
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 23: achieving that. There are a range of other options. Gus

799
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 23: thermal has more potential to act as a peak electricity source,

800
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 23: and we haven't explored the potential for it.

801
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: To do that.

802
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 23: And that's a much better alternative than gas because you

803
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 23: can capture the carbon probit and it's not astene, it

804
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 23: doesn't damage our climate change targets as much. So you know, ultimately,

805
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 23: the problem that we've got now is that the market

806
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 23: has prioritized dividends and profits, and we're talking about billions

807
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 23: and billions and billions of dollars over investing in a

808
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 23: new generation because profits better for them to.

809
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 14: Supply.

810
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 23: No, it's not because if you increase supply, you lower

811
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 23: the price. They don't want to lower the project. I

812
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 23: don't want to constrained supply because they makes up my profit.

813
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: You know that there are businesses closing because of what

814
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 3: you guys did when you were in government, and you're

815
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: basically at the moment, by not wanting to back away

816
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 3: from this band, you're basically putting the climate ahead of

817
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: these jobs.

818
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 23: Perhaps ally absolute bocks no better than that. The reason

819
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 23: that we have a shortage of gas is because for

820
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 23: the last twenty odd years we haven't found any.

821
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: That's not true. That's true, Chris, Chris in twenty twenty, true,

822
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: Chris in twenty twenty. OMV found gas at Twutui, that's

823
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: four years.

824
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 23: Ago, and they found that it was economics to extract it.

825
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: They haven't even had a proper look at.

826
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 23: It commercially, They didn't find a commercial.

827
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: Inspiable Gay said, and you can tell me if this

828
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 3: situation has changed. But they said it was a significant discovery.

829
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 23: So they had the permit, they could have drilled it.

830
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 23: They chose not to because they decided it wasn't commission.

831
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:53,479
Speaker 4: They chose.

832
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: You know why, it's not commercially viable because you people

833
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 3: banned oil and gas exploration. That's why it's not commercially bible.

834
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 3: Because you people put one hundred percent renewable target on

835
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Speaker 3: our electricity market.

836
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 23: That's not that's a ridiculous fact.

837
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: That is exact fact.

838
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 23: That is what they're any existing pyramids. We didn't cancel

839
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 23: any existing moment.

840
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: You did, who have those chrisps? But then in conjuncture.

841
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 23: Them and development, they chose not to.

842
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: Chris, in conjunction with the band, you also then set

843
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 3: a target of one hundred percent renewable electricity, right, which

844
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: means we were going to phase our gas. So why

845
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: would they get the gas out of there?

846
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Speaker 23: I mean, ultimately, what's your offensive? Two hundred percent? One

847
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 23: hundred percent renewable is what we're going to have to

848
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 23: do meet the climate to the equipments that the previous

849
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 23: national government signed us up.

850
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: There, you go right there, you've put climate ahead of

851
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: jobs revenue.

852
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 23: Well, I mean, how many times we're going to have

853
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 23: if we don't takele climate change and the planet becomes onliver?

854
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: How many jobs we're going to have if you keep

855
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: on going down this path and trying to run us

856
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 3: into the ground into some third world electricity status.

857
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 23: Well, running us into the ground will mean it'd be

858
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 23: more in climate change.

859
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: Chris, tell me this right now. No, Chris, I don't

860
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 3: want to make assumptions here because of this. Tell me

861
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: this right now, what's more important to you those two

862
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty jobs at Winstone or the climate both.

863
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: You can't have both, mates. You just told me you

864
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: can't have both, So which one do you want?

865
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 23: Why were many of those big plants Many of those

866
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 23: big industrial plants were built where they were built because

867
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 23: they were located near to renewable electricity sources. The pro

868
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 23: problem is the market's now become so distorted that that

869
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 23: renewable electricity isn't providing them with the check electricity that

870
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 23: they've had previously because of the way the peak market's working.

871
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 23: It's the market. There's a market failing here, but there

872
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 23: is a debundance of renewable electricity.

873
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Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on the show. I always appreciate

874
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 3: having a chat to you. Chris. It's Chris Hopkins, labor

875
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: leader quarter Past.

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Speaker 15: Hey.

877
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Speaker 3: We all want to say that we're the best or

878
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 3: be the best, right, but not all of us get

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Speaker 3: to say that we are actually the best. One company though,

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Speaker 3: that can proudly say that is one New Zealand. They've

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Speaker 3: just been named as having the best mobile network in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. Forget this the third year running. So the

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Speaker 3: award was handed out in May and it was handed

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Speaker 3: out by independent benchmarking organization UMLAUT. They test and compare

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Speaker 3: more than two hundred mobile networks worldwide. Of the three

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Speaker 3: major key we tell cos, One New Zealand's mobile network

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Speaker 3: and data, and they also had the most reliable mobile network.

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Speaker 3: And the results are very good news for One New

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Speaker 3: Zealand because they invest millions of dollars each year into

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Speaker 3: both work and personal use, and we need a mobile

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Speaker 3: network that keeps us connected. So if you'd like to

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Speaker 3: jump online and visit one dot enz.

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Speaker 1: Ever duplus Alan.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get to your text on Chris Hapkins

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Speaker 3: shortly right now. It's nineteen past five. Got to go

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Speaker 3: to the murder trial of phil Philip Pulkinghorn. He is

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Speaker 3: accused of murdering her. He says this is his wife,

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Speaker 3: Pauline Hannah. He says she took her own life. Chelsea

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Speaker 3: Daniels has covering the trial and with us. Now, Hey, Chelse,

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Speaker 3: I am a lot of messaging between Hannah and Polkinghorn.

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Speaker 3: What have we learned from that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 24: So, defense lawyer Ron Mansfield question detective Reeves he was

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Speaker 24: in charge of looking at their phones and other tech.

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Speaker 24: He said, does seven plus formal written statements to assist

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Speaker 24: the jury that traversus Polkinghorn's relationship with Ashton? That's how

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Speaker 24: many he wrote? But did he review her work related

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Speaker 24: email history or the messaging between the husband and wife.

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Speaker 1: I did review the messages.

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Speaker 9: I looked at them. I didn't create a detailed report

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Speaker 9: on it.

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Speaker 1: Bye.

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Speaker 18: Was that because the messages didn't support the police narrative.

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Speaker 11: As I said, the messages were normal day to day messages.

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Speaker 2: Or did those messages reveal a working, loving relationship between

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Speaker 2: the two of them?

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Speaker 24: So Mansfield produces a booklet of messages beginning twenty first

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Speaker 24: of February twenty twenty, runs through the messages sent back

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Speaker 24: and forth between the couple. Lots of ex'es, darlings, and

924
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 24: heart emojis, other emojis. A further messaging show the pair

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Speaker 24: checking in on each other asking how they are. Did

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Speaker 24: these messages suggest a working, loving relationship, asks Manfield and Mansfield,

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Speaker 24: and Reeves said they did, and he didn't see any

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Speaker 24: evidence of a conflict between the pair.

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Speaker 3: And we had a little bit of a bombshell this

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Speaker 3: afternoon from the defense, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 24: So Mansfield produces another exhibit, a timeline for Hannah's phone

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Speaker 24: usage for the early morning of April fifth, twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 24: the morning of her death. Mansfield goes through what apparently

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Speaker 24: happens when someone uses I message. When you start typing,

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Speaker 24: the app connects and logs activity, even if you didn't

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Speaker 24: send the message. There's a log entry for around four am.

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Speaker 24: It appears Hannah's phone was logged drafting a message on

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Speaker 24: the morning of her death to Philip Polkinghorn. Minutes later

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Speaker 24: another draft message to a friend's daughter. Neither of them

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Speaker 24: sent The trial can news tomorrow interesting?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Chelsea, thank you very much, really appreciate it. If

943
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Speaker 3: you want to hear more, listen to Chelsea Daniel's podcast.

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Speaker 3: It's called Accused the Polkinghorn Trial. It's twenty one past five.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c

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Speaker 2: Allen Drive with one New Zealand.

947
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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and new stalks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be yeah, we'll get to the chippy techs shortly

949
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Speaker 3: got a bit of a win for the cops. Today

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Speaker 3: they've got the Headhunter's pad in Mount Wellington actually got

951
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Speaker 3: fifteen million dollars worth of assets and property. It's a

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Speaker 3: decision at the High Court in Auckland today. Andrew Costa

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Speaker 3: is with us after the half past five. It's twenty

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Speaker 3: four past five at the moment. On this poster issue, look,

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Speaker 3: it is not the job of the posters to decide

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Speaker 3: what gets delivered or not. I'm sure that they've got

957
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 3: got goodness in their hearts, but this is not their job.

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Speaker 3: And I take their point. The way that the pamphlet

959
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 3: and Wellington has written it is slightly misleading. It makes

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Speaker 3: it sound like Wellington City Council wants to let all

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Speaker 3: six mosques in the city play the call to prayer.

962
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: But the thing is it's not untrue. It's just a

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00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: little misleading, but it's not not untrue. Even the Postal

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00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 3: Union admits it's a point of There is a point

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00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 3: of truth here. The Wellington City Council is in fact

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Speaker 3: investigating the possibility of allowing mosques to play the call

967
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Speaker 3: to prayer. Now, as far as we know, it's just

968
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Speaker 3: to kill Bernie mosque that wants to do it. We

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Speaker 3: don't know that all six want to do it. And

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Speaker 3: when we spoke to the mosque about it earlier, it's

971
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Speaker 3: not all the way across the city. It's just within

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Speaker 3: their grounds that they want to play the sound. And

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Speaker 3: this is what makes this completely unacceptable from the postis

974
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Speaker 3: the pamphlet is not untrue. It's just catastrophizing the situation.

975
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Speaker 3: It's like a newspaper headline. They catastrophize things all the time.

976
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: We still let the newspapers go out or like a

977
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Speaker 3: social media clickbait, it's always you know, hooks you in

978
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: with the worst case version of the situation. It's just

979
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: hyping the situation. So basically, what we've got got here

980
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: is a case of the posties now refusing to post

981
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: something because it's just a little too dramatic, unacceptable from them,

982
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 3: not their place to decide whether they post it or not.

983
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 3: What if they suddenly take issue with pamphlets advertising alcohol

984
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 3: because a bunch of them don't like drinkers, don't want

985
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 3: to deliver that, or if they decide they've got a

986
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 3: problem with Big Farmer, so there'll be no more pharmacy

987
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: pamphlets going out, or they care all of a sudden

988
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 3: deeply about the climate, so no car advertising pamphlets are

989
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: going to go out. It's not their place to make

990
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: decisions like that, because once they start making those decisions,

991
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Speaker 3: you can say it's a slippery slope into basically monitoring

992
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 3: what goes into your letterbox. I'm also really highly suspicious

993
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: of the fact that all of a sudden, forty posters

994
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 3: in the Wellington area decided individually that they all hated

995
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: this particular pamphlet for exactly the same reason. I don't

996
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 3: believe it. I believe the union's behind this year. A

997
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 3: couple of the guys went to the union and said

998
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Speaker 3: it's a problem in the union basically made this a

999
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 3: bigger problem than it was, which begs the question, since

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Speaker 3: when did it become a union's job to monitor what

1001
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 3: we're getting out of our letterbox? Last time I checked,

1002
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 3: they were supposed to actually advocate for their employment of

1003
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 3: their members. That's their actual job. I would say that

1004
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 3: what they're doing right now is not helping the employment

1005
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: situation at all.

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00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: Heather do for see Allen Hither that.

1007
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 3: Is why Chippy got spanked at the last election. Hither,

1008
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'll give Chippy his jews.

1009
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: I reckon he held his home own way. That's fair.

1010
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 3: Hither from the wife of a current method ex employer,

1011
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 3: I'm calling bs on that that was poor form from

1012
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: Chippy here. The Chippy's not telling the truth. Beach Energy

1013
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: were two weeks away from drilling in the Southern Basin

1014
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: COVID hit and they weren't allowed to operat as an

1015
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: essential service. The rig sailed away, never to return. It

1016
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: could be bigger than Maui down there. Just another example

1017
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 3: of six years of wasted opportunity. That's from Travis Heither.

1018
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: Thank god Chippy's not the prime minister. They want to

1019
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: run the business into the ground. Listen. I think as

1020
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 3: long as they hold onto the oil and gas band

1021
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: like they are at the moment, he is not going well.

1022
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 3: He's not going to be promised to anyway. Nobody in

1023
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 3: the Red team is going to be prime minister as

1024
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 3: long as the span is there. I think his problem

1025
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: came towards the end of the interview where he said

1026
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 3: we can't have gas because we need to meet our

1027
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: climate change commitments. We have to do one hundred percent renewable.

1028
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: And right there, he put the climate ahead of every

1029
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: single job that relies on gas in this country, and

1030
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Speaker 3: there are a lot, and that can't be the worker

1031
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: of the party of the worker. Can you headlines?

1032
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: Next, the day's newsmakers talked to Heather First, Heather duper

1033
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: c Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected

1034
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: and new Talk zed Bean.

1035
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Speaker 3: Hea that the new electric furnace at Glenbrook Steel Mill

1036
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 3: is going to be powered by diesel generators. Cool. That's fantastic. Yeah,

1037
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 3: it's a good thing. We got rid of that gas

1038
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: a because it was causing so much damage. But the diesel,

1039
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: how good is that? And the coal? Honestly hippy where

1040
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: you're coming from, mate Huddles standing by and listen. I

1041
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: bring you a lot of stories about how much trouble

1042
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 3: the media sectors and we've got a good news one

1043
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Speaker 3: for you. After six o'clock. Bigs of the company that

1044
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 3: owns News Talk ZB has just reported and yeah, it's

1045
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Speaker 3: not going the way that all the others, all the

1046
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Speaker 3: TV guys are going with all the difficulties to stand

1047
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Speaker 3: by and we'll deal with that. Twenty four away from

1048
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Speaker 3: six police have scored a big win against the gangs.

1049
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: Today they will seize fifteen million dollars worth of assets

1050
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 3: from the hea Hunters and that includes the gang's pad

1051
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Speaker 3: in Mount Wellington and some other properties. And this is

1052
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Speaker 3: after the High Court ruled and the police has favored.

1053
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Speaker 3: Today the Police Commissioner Andrew cost is with us.

1054
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Speaker 25: Now, Hey, Andrew, that's noon, Heather.

1055
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: Was this ever going to go any other way than

1056
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,479
Speaker 3: your way?

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Speaker 25: Absolutely? The team has had a huge amount of work

1058
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 25: to demonstrate the connection between the property mister Doyle as

1059
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Speaker 25: the president of the Headhunters and the unlawful activity. So

1060
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 25: it's been a couple of years of very solid work

1061
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 25: by a small team on the financial part and then

1062
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Speaker 25: a much longer chain of investigations targeting the head Hunters

1063
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Speaker 25: for their criminal activity to provide the basis for that application.

1064
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 3: Why was it important? Why was his role in the

1065
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: gang so important, whether he was the president or a

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Speaker 3: senior member.

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Speaker 25: Well, the property was held by entities connected with him,

1068
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Speaker 25: and so we needed to demonstrate his role over the

1069
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 25: top of the Headhunter's criminal activities. For that property probably

1070
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 25: to be shown to be tainted by that offending, and

1071
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Speaker 25: it was, and it shows that, you know, we will

1072
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 25: persist until we can recover assets that are tained through

1073
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Speaker 25: criminal means.

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Speaker 3: What are you going to do with it?

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00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 25: It goes into the proceeds of prime fund, which is

1076
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 25: a fund that can be access.

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Speaker 3: I mean, are you going to sell the power crime?

1078
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 25: Oh yeah, property it's disposed of and you know it's

1079
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 25: a process that gets followed for that. So there's potential

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00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 25: of an appeal here. So there'll be a little bit

1081
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 25: of waters going under the bridge yet, but you know,

1082
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Speaker 25: a great success for the team that's been doing the work.

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Speaker 25: I'm incredibly crowd of there.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon?

1085
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: Everybody's going to want to buy this pad? Because I

1086
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 3: remember some somewhere down south, maybe Tom Rule, something like this,

1087
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Speaker 3: maybe somewhere else, there was a pad that was going

1088
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Speaker 3: to be sold in the gang called such trouble. Nobody

1089
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Speaker 3: wants to buy the linking thing.

1090
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Speaker 25: It's a commercial property and it looks a lot like

1091
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Speaker 25: any others, but for the fact that it's been customized

1092
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Speaker 25: in particular ways. So that's something that the officials sn

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Speaker 25: will work through as they resolve it. But the point

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Speaker 25: here is this property is not going back to the gang,

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Speaker 25: and we've had a great one targeting a group that's

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Speaker 25: peddled a huge amount of misery into our community.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just going to set up somewhere else, though, aren't.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to give up, are they?

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Speaker 25: Oh? Look, these gangs are very persistent. But when you

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Speaker 25: lose money that's been accumulated over years and years, it

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Speaker 25: does hurt, and it does make a difference. And the

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Speaker 25: point for us really is demonstrating that, you know, you

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Speaker 25: can obtain profit this way, you're not going to be

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Speaker 25: able to hold onto it.

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Speaker 3: Andrew your man in Auckland, I think it's Tony Wakelan

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Speaker 3: is his name. He said he's told people off today

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Speaker 3: for filming at that crash yesterday in State Highway one.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a view on that?

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Speaker 25: Look, I think just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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Speaker 25: And in the end, you know, we're talking about people's lives,

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Speaker 25: and people surely exercise some judgment about the kind of

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Speaker 25: thing that we're going to post in the kind of

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Speaker 25: thing we're not. I mean, people will make their own decisions.

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Speaker 25: But you know, I think I think the message is

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Speaker 25: probably right, and I think most people would agree that

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Speaker 25: that's not really the kind of thing that we want

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Speaker 25: to see.

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Speaker 3: Are we're wasting our breath because it feels like the

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Speaker 3: horse has bolted. Everybody's got a camera on their phones,

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Speaker 3: and everybody thinks it's really important to stick absolutely everything

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Speaker 3: on social media.

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Speaker 25: Yes, they do. Look, I would like to think that

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Speaker 25: people can excise some judgment, and I think for the

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Speaker 25: means of the public and the families who are deeply

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Speaker 25: offended to see that, it's good for them to hear

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Speaker 25: from place that actually, hey, we don't think that's okay,

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Speaker 25: even if people are going to continue doing that.

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Speaker 3: Andrew, thank you for your time. I appreciate this. Andrew Costa,

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Speaker 3: the police commissioner. This is what Counties Manecow Road Policing

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Speaker 3: Manager Inspector Tony Wakeland said.

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Speaker 9: Okay, can I just say I thought that was disgusting.

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Speaker 26: It really was. I mean I saw some of the footage.

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Speaker 26: It was filmed before emergency services arrived. There were close

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Speaker 26: ups of people to cease in the van, an injured

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Speaker 26: line on the road. As I say, I thought it

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Speaker 26: was horrible, asaid a lot of my colleagues, that's not acceptable.

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Speaker 26: You know, we should not be doing that, And I

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Speaker 26: say to the people that are filming that, how would

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Speaker 26: you feel if that's your family.

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Speaker 3: It's twenty away from six.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, unparalleled reach

1142
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Speaker 2: and results.

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Speaker 3: On the Huddle of Us, Ali Jones read pr and

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Speaker 3: Claire to lord journalist. Hell are you too?

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Speaker 10: Ali?

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Speaker 3: He makes a good point, doesn't he?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 27: It does absolutely, And you know, I think the cost

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Speaker 27: to just say just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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Speaker 27: And I also think that it's important that those scumbags

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Speaker 27: that were filming that are called out, and not only

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Speaker 27: by police, but by I don't know, people in the

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Speaker 27: media stop doing it. Who do you think you are?

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Speaker 27: Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I suspect Claire, it's not going to stop.

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Speaker 3: It's only it's just going to increase. The more access

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Speaker 3: we have to each other via the Internet and phones

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Speaker 3: and stuff. This is the future. You've got to choose

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Speaker 3: what you look at.

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Speaker 28: Well, you've got a wonderful sort of ethic, human decency.

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Speaker 28: You have to live strength on that stuff. As I

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Speaker 28: understand they were, it's just appalling. I mean, you wouldn't

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Speaker 28: think you'd have to poll people up for it, and

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Speaker 28: I just don't know how you get through people. But

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Speaker 28: when you come across and seem like that, it's not

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Speaker 28: a reality show. It's actually the reality of grim death

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Speaker 28: for the people who are involved. And you should if

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Speaker 28: you can't help, you should move on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair point. And now, Allie, do you think the

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Speaker 3: posters have made the right call?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 3: Are the wrong call?

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Speaker 28: This is fascinating, isn't it.

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Speaker 27: I mean, look, the Union may not like this, and

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Speaker 27: I think this is all being driven by the union.

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Speaker 28: Actually, I think it's politically driven.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 27: I mean, unions are generally left. The Wellington City Council

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Speaker 27: is very less leaning. The leaflet is also anti council,

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Speaker 27: critical of what they call over spending. I think that's

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Speaker 27: entirely political. What I'd be interested in is if there

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Speaker 27: wasn't that, And I do think it's information either. I

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Speaker 27: don't think it's catastrophizing or using clickbait headlines like the

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Speaker 27: media do. As you mentioned earlier, but if that information

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Speaker 27: about the call, the Islamic call to prayer wasn't in

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Speaker 27: this leaflet, would they still have come out and criticized it.

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Speaker 27: I think it's lucky there's something in there they can

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Speaker 27: hang their criticism on. But look, I think they're right

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Speaker 27: for not delivering this because of that misinformation, but I

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Speaker 27: do think it's politically driven.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Elie explains me why you think it's misinformation.

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Speaker 27: Well, my understanding is that there is a comment or

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Speaker 27: something in that pamphlet that suggests that the City Council

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Speaker 27: is going to allow this call to prayer, that there's

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Speaker 27: going to be Islamic calls to prayer across all of Wellington,

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Speaker 27: and in fact, the council has come back and said

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Speaker 27: that they're actually looking at it within their district plan

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Speaker 27: as to whether they can do that or not, that

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Speaker 27: it's not a done deal. So to me, that's misinformation.

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Speaker 27: It's suggesting something that is not actually.

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Speaker 3: What the inflet says is the council wants to, but

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Speaker 3: actually the council does to an extent want to because

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Speaker 3: it is investigating it.

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Speaker 27: No, that's not true that, No, that's conflating the issue.

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Speaker 27: Just because the council is looking at something doesn't mean

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Speaker 27: that they want to. They're looking at it through their

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Speaker 27: district plan to see if it can be done or not.

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Speaker 23: That doesn't mean that they want.

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Speaker 3: To there are two councilors who want to die. I mean, look, look,

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Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think it's borderline, but there

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Speaker 3: is an element of truth to it. It's not a

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Speaker 3: bald faced lie, is it. It's just slightly wrong.

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Speaker 27: No, but it's missive well slightly wrong.

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Speaker 3: It's like you can have it's just catastrophizing what the situation,

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Speaker 3: that's all it is.

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Speaker 27: No, it's misinformation. What you're going to start talking about

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Speaker 27: alternative facts as well? It is misinformation.

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Speaker 28: So end of story.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Claire, At the end of.

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Speaker 28: The story, and the main story is that the union

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Speaker 28: has all these or the officials have decided that they

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Speaker 28: will decide which contracted male they will deliver. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 28: not so much for them to decide the content in

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Speaker 28: then Post has a responsibility when it agrees to take

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Speaker 28: on something like us, to make sure that it's not

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Speaker 28: hateful or atlantical, slight terrorism or whatever. I mean, that's

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Speaker 28: the most extreme form you can think of where you

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Speaker 28: could say we're not going to deliver it. But it's

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Speaker 28: sort of for the post Is to actually be taking

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Speaker 28: a position on this is I think quite disturbing. I

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Speaker 28: think MLS will say, you know, mind your own business

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Speaker 28: and the post thought it out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair point, All right, guys, we'll take a break,

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Speaker 3: come back and just a just a tack, actually a quarter.

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Speaker 2: To the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty exceptional

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Speaker 2: marketing for every property, and.

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Speaker 3: Back to the huddle. We have clear de lawd Journalist

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Speaker 3: Ali Jones read pr Claire. Do you think that that

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Speaker 3: Labour is going to be able to hold this line

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Speaker 3: on the oil and gas van all the way through

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Speaker 3: to the next election?

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Speaker 6: Oh? Who knows. I mean, that's an argument that sort

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Speaker 6: of does my head. And really because we should have

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Speaker 6: a long term bipartisan, multi party agreement on something as

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Speaker 6: important as energy security, but we don't and we won't.

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, your interview with Chris Hopkins showed

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Speaker 6: that he's at the moment whethered to the very noble

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Speaker 6: aspiration for us to be entirely sort of reliant on

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Speaker 6: only on renewables. But the reality is that that just

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Speaker 6: isn't possible in a short medium turn right now. So

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Speaker 6: I would say that if he was still in charge

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Speaker 6: going into the next election, and I doubt he would be,

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Speaker 6: that he would probably be ditching that position.

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Speaker 3: I'd say so too, and I think Alli he has to.

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Speaker 3: He probably is going to be forced to ditch it

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Speaker 3: when we get our power bills renewed in April and

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Speaker 3: it goes up massively and we start to see for

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Speaker 3: ourselves how bad the situation is.

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Speaker 28: What do you think, Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 27: That's so far ahead in the future. I completely agree

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Speaker 27: with what Claire is saying. And I heard Chris Hipkins

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Speaker 27: on with you earlier aheadther what a great pustle? Was

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Speaker 27: that fun?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 27: I mean really no, it really did. It was really

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Speaker 27: good to listen to both of you, and you both

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Speaker 27: had really good things to say, and I think he

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Speaker 27: did hold his own. I think what's really frustrating here,

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Speaker 27: as Claire said, is that we do need to have,

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Speaker 27: you know, an approach where both parties will come together

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Speaker 27: on this. Our energy security is really important. I laughed

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Speaker 27: when I heard simmyon Brown talk about no wind and

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Speaker 27: no sun. He needs to come to Canterbury. I mean

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Speaker 27: the coastline, the waves, the waves are still waving, Simeon,

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Speaker 27: and I think geothermal energy there are ways to do it,

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Speaker 27: but you're right clear in the short in the medium term,

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Speaker 27: we have few choices. And why do we have few

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Speaker 27: choices because the previous governments have not worked together to

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Speaker 27: secure the energy, our renewables in this country.

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Speaker 3: It's such a shame, Claire, I mean, how do we

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Speaker 3: ever bridge these gaps though on things like energy or roads,

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Speaker 3: all these things that actually that the parties should reach

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Speaker 3: across and hold hands on. How do you bridge them?

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Speaker 6: I just don't think. I just don't think we do.

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Speaker 6: We've got a terrible history of being able to look

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Speaker 6: at the longer term in this country. Look at the

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Speaker 6: terrible state of our infrastructure. I know I'm just saying

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Speaker 6: the obvious, but it is the obvious that we just

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Speaker 6: put things off for so long. But this is really

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Speaker 6: critically important. And even the aspiration, for example, to convert

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Speaker 6: a larger number of US to electric cars could not

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Speaker 6: possibly be fulfilled with the current you know available sort

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Speaker 6: of charging capacity. It's charging in storage capacity. There's so

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Speaker 6: many things we need to get right, and we need

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Speaker 6: many more engineers to make the stream come true, and

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Speaker 6: we don't have them. Where there's there's an educational angle

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Speaker 6: to it two, you know, bringing through those people and engineering.

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Speaker 6: I honestly think we're going to remain in country that

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Speaker 6: is a very short term, you know, sort of out

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Speaker 6: where we look out to the short term, because we

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Speaker 6: have a very very short electric cycle three years and

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Speaker 6: there we are this. You know, we'll be looking we'll

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Speaker 6: be a mid term where those electricity bills start coming

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Speaker 6: in in April, will be halfway through this electoral cycle,

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Speaker 6: and again you'll find the politicking we'll start all over

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Speaker 6: again too, right, Well.

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Speaker 27: Can I just say to that quickly? We put solar

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Speaker 27: on our house where we had to rebuild it as

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Speaker 27: a failed EQC repair.

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Speaker 23: Best thing we ever did.

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Speaker 27: Our two bills of latest bills over winter have been

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Speaker 27: the same cost, or rather two bills in our old

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Speaker 27: house will have cost us what the entire year was

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Speaker 27: solar's cost. So you know there are ways to do this,

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Speaker 27: and we.

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Speaker 28: Sell that the bread as well.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, so your power bill then last month.

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Speaker 27: Well we were paying oh last month was one hundred

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Speaker 27: and ten dollars and we sold.

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Speaker 28: Some back to the grid. When we were in the

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Speaker 28: old cold place it was five.

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Speaker 27: Hundred bucks either, so you know it's saving a lot

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Speaker 27: of money.

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Speaker 3: That is a lot of money. Okay, Hey, Claire, were

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01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 3: you disappointed to hear that the best one hit Wonder

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Speaker 3: of all time is Jenny Jenny.

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01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I couldn't even think how it went. I had

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01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 6: a look at a list of them too, and the

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Speaker 6: only one that really struck me as being kind of

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Speaker 6: vaguely credible was Funky Town by Pseudo Eco. I don't

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Speaker 6: ever know that the band was called.

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Speaker 3: Often Wonder. Jeez, what about you, Ali, I mean, Jenny

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01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 3: Jenny sucks. So I feel like we should just scrap

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Speaker 3: it on the basis that nobody likes it and just

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01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 3: go for maniac is number one?

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Speaker 27: Well I missed from miss Reader. I thought it was

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Speaker 27: Jean Jeannie and I don't know that wasn't a number one,

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01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 27: but it was brilliant. But yeah, funky Town was a great.

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Speaker 3: I hate, I hate. I don't know what list you're

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01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 3: looking at, Cly, I hate to boost you bubble. It's

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Speaker 3: not even on the list. It's I'm a random list

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Speaker 3: you've looked.

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Speaker 6: Up, Listen, I'm looking at a better list.

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01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 3: I'm looking at Science list. Guys. Thank you both so

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01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 3: much appreciated as Ali Jones. I mean, it is a

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01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 3: good time, though, isn't it. You'd go you'd sit through

1347
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 3: at least twelve of their crap songs at a concert

1348
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 3: just for this one, wouldn't you? And in fact I

1349
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 3: almost did, but I turned up too late, and then

1350
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 3: I just saw Texas and that other band that annoyed me.

1351
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 3: What was that band's name that annoyed me? Simple minds?

1352
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 3: Hate them? Now Texas? How good? But I could have

1353
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 3: seen these guys, and now I wish I did. Thank

1354
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 3: you ants appreciate that. That's a huddle seven away from six.

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Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

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01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: your car on your drive home. Heather Dupless Allen Drive

1357
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 2: with one New Zealand one giant leap for business News

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01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 2: talk as that be.

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Speaker 3: Heather, My Sharona is a great song. Do you know what? Actually,

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01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,479
Speaker 3: My Sharona should probably be on this list. I feel

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Speaker 3: like it's been accidentally missed because the first song, being

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01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 3: My Sharona, had three hundred and eighty four million streams

1363
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 3: on Spotify, and then the second song, Good Girls Don't

1364
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 3: only had about six million songs. I might be doing

1365
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 3: the maths wrong actually on this, but it feels to

1366
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 3: me like a massive discrepancy, Like clearly the second song

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Speaker 3: is not got enough song to make it anything other

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01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 3: than wonder with a good song. Speaking of music, we've

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01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,479
Speaker 3: only got one hour and five minutes to go, four

1370
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 3: minutes to go now until we find out exactly what

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Speaker 3: Oaysis are up to. Now, what we want to know

1372
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 3: is whether they are going to in fact do what

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01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 3: the rumors say they're going to do, which is reunite

1374
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 3: for Glastonbury and a whole bunch of shows early next year.

1375
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 3: I think the show what some of the shows are

1376
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 3: supposed to be at Wembley, if not all of the shows.

1377
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 3: But anyway, they're making this announcement at seven o'clock this

1378
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 3: evening our time. And I'll tell you what hasn't changed

1379
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 3: about Oasis is that Liam Gallagh is still an angry man,

1380
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 3: isn't he, Because he's gone on social media. He's very angry,

1381
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 3: very very angry because people say that Oasis are only

1382
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 3: getting together because they're skint, and I haven't got enough

1383
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 3: money anymore, so they need to make the dollars, so

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Speaker 3: he said. He went on the social media just making

1385
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 3: sure that people are still coming to the shows, obviously

1386
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 3: by chasing them all the way, said your attitude stinks

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01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 3: to them and stuff like that. Anyway, I can tell

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Speaker 3: you the real reason why they're getting back together is

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01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 3: not at all because they're broke. It's because Noel Gallih

1390
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 3: has broken up with his wife. Because if you don't

1391
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 3: know the story of Oasis, it's two brothers, right Neil

1392
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 3: oh Noel and Liam and Nolan liamb have had this

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01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 3: mass of falling out. But the reason they've had a

1394
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 3: falling out is because Noel married a bird that he

1395
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 3: met at Ibetha and he got hooked up with her

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Speaker 3: back in the two thousands. She didn't like his brother Liam,

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01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 3: and so that was never gonna work, was it. And

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Speaker 3: he had to pick between the bird or the bro

1399
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Speaker 3: and he picked the bird, bad choice, by the way.

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Speaker 3: And now that she's out of the picture, because they've

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01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 3: broken up with each other, he's allowed to see his

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01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 3: brother again. That's my theory anyway. But we'll find out

1403
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 3: what's going on in an hour's time. Now ends with me.

1404
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 3: The business that owns newstalk ZB and the Herald has

1405
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 3: just reported and things are not going badly for them

1406
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 3: at all. I mean, everybody's struggling in media but bucking

1407
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 3: the trend big time. So we'll have a chat to

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01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 3: the CEO Boxy, and I'm gonna ask him about the

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01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 3: front page of The Herald and the Hobson's pledge ad.

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Speaker 2: What's down, what were the major calls and how will

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01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: it affect the economy of the business. Questions on the business,

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01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,959
Speaker 2: we've the duple c Allen and my hr on News

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01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: Talks V.

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01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour. The OECD

1415
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 3: General Secretary General Brother is in town, so Brad Olsen

1416
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 3: will talk us through what he's saying to us. Jamie

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01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,919
Speaker 3: McKay has got some hot goss on Fonterra to share

1418
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 3: and it sounds like the locals in Barcelona and not

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01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 3: loving the America's cup. I'll explain that to you. It's

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01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 3: eight past six now. Media Company ends at Me, which

1421
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 3: owns Newstalk ZB and The Herald, has reported today it's

1422
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 3: posted a small profit of one point nine million dollars

1423
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 3: for the first half of the year. That's down four

1424
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 3: point three on last year. Revenue is up, advertising as

1425
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 3: holding steady, and that is despite the fact that the

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01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 3: media sector has had a pretty tough year so far.

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01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 3: We've had the shutting down of news Hub and TVNZ

1428
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 3: cutting a whole bunch of programs. Michael Boggs is the

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Speaker 3: chief executive hiebog Zen.

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Speaker 9: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: You must be pretty pleased with this result given what's

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01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 3: going on in the media sector.

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Speaker 9: You're absolutely right. It is a very tough environment, I

1434
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 9: think in every sector in New Zealand at the moment,

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01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 9: but certainly as in media, and we're seeing that right

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01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 9: around the market.

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Speaker 3: How did you manage to hold onto the advertising dollar?

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01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 3: I mean you've seen it complete evaporate from TV, So

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01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 3: how did you guys keep it?

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Speaker 9: I think the key thing is, and I'll take a

1441
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 9: station like this, you know, we just don't go to

1442
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 9: the market and talk about selling news talk ZB. We

1443
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,439
Speaker 9: sell the rest of the radio stations we have. We

1444
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 9: bundle out obviously with the New Zealand Herald, and we're

1445
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 9: seeing fantastic growth with one Roof, which is a real

1446
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:16,839
Speaker 9: key product for us for the future.

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01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 3: But so why are they putting their money into print

1448
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 3: and radio if they're not putting it into TV.

1449
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 9: Well, I think when we go and talk to a customer,

1450
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 9: we talk about what's the solution they're looking for? What

1451
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 9: are you trying to achieve. We don't just come and

1452
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 9: try and sell you a TV ad. And so when

1453
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 9: a customer wants to get to a particular audience set.

1454
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 9: We actually sell across all of those platforms, which just

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01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 9: gives them a much better reach and a much better outcome.

1456
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 3: They're getting a bit of product.

1457
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 9: Absolutely.

1458
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, what do you think is going to happen

1459
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 3: in the second half though, because it sounds like it

1460
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 3: might get harder.

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01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 9: Certainly is and we're seeing that already. So in the

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Speaker 9: quarter one of this year, so it's January March or

1463
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 9: on a calendar year, we saw four percent growth year

1464
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 9: on year, two percent in quarter two, and what we're

1465
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 9: seeing in quarter three at the moment is about one

1466
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 9: percent growth. Now, we are seeing some signs of improvement

1467
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 9: though we're obviously seeing the ocr coming down. We're seeing

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01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 9: business and consumer confidence start to lift. So you know,

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01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 9: we'd love to see that actually flow through into people spending.

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Speaker 3: One percent growth given what we're going through, which I

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01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 3: mean some people in some parts the economy is saying

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Speaker 3: this is the hardest thing they've ever been through. One

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01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 3: percent growth is not bad.

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Speaker 9: Well, the great news is one percent growth is against

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01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 9: the market because the market is actually going backwards from

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01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 9: an advertising perspective. So we're delighted to be taking share

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01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 9: across each of our platforms and we want to continue

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01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 9: doing that.

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01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 3: Hey, but so you'll rise, right, we've seen the turning

1480
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 3: point where the ocr has now come down and a

1481
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 3: whole bunch of bank rates are coming down. Do you

1482
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 3: think it still gets hard as though, or does it

1483
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 3: get easier?

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01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 9: I think people's heads are starting to lift now. It's

1485
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 9: certainly tough, and you know, your listeners are no way

1486
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 9: better than I as they run their businesses, for example.

1487
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 9: But I think you know, I had an old boss

1488
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 9: that said hope isn't a strategy. But I think we're

1489
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 9: all hoping for better. We're actually talking about it getting better.

1490
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 9: We're saying business confidence is feeling better and that's all

1491
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 9: we need to get the country going again.

1492
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 3: Okay, if hope it's not a strategy, then you're going

1493
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 3: to have to still make plans for it potentially to

1494
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 3: be worse. So you're going to cut six million out

1495
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:01,520
Speaker 3: yet in expenditure.

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01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,879
Speaker 9: We've already done that, So it's not something we're announcing

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01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 9: today that hey, we've got a whole lot of new

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01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 9: cost cutting to do. That's happened. It's done through efficiencies

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01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 9: across the business, and so we're pleased we've actually done

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Speaker 9: that at the beginning of this half already, and so

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Speaker 9: that'll flow into the second half of this year.

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Speaker 3: How on earth am I right in thinking one roof

1503
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 3: turn to profit for the first time?

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01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 9: It absolutely did.

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01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 3: How did it do that given what's going on in

1506
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 3: the housing market.

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01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 9: Well, we're doing a great job. Firstly, we're growing the

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01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 9: number of people that come to the site. We've closed

1509
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 9: the gap to the number one player to be just

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01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 9: ten percent difference. Now we've got more and more. We've

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01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 9: got more and more people upgrading their houses on the platform,

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01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 9: and it's a great product. So people are using it

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01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 9: to inquire about houses, and people are using it to

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01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 9: sell the houses.

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Speaker 3: So as it kind of counterintuitively, when the market is

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01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 3: actually doing really, really badly, people are pumping a lot

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Speaker 3: of money into the advertising for their houses.

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Speaker 9: Funny enough, it's actually the opposite. So we're really pleased

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Speaker 9: to have done well in a tough environment. Because if

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Speaker 9: you don't think you're going to sell the hell your house,

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Speaker 9: you're probably not going to advertise, even though you probably should. Yeah,

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01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 9: but where if you think you are going to sell

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01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 9: your house, you will spend some more on advertising because

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Speaker 9: you want to get the price. So that's what we're

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Speaker 9: looking for in the second half of this year and

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Speaker 9: into next year.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So on what's going on with the media. Are

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Speaker 3: you happy with what you've got from the government in

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01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 3: terms of the Digital Marketing Bill and or Digital Bargain

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Speaker 3: Bell and all that stuff.

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Speaker 9: Well, certainly making progress and we expect to see more

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01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 9: of that in the coming weeks. All the noises and

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01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 9: signals are appropriate and I look forward to seeing me

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Speaker 9: it will come.

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01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 3: Sure boggsy that it's the answer, because it hasn't worked

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Speaker 3: in Canada.

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01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 9: Well, it's not going to be the panacea. But we

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01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 9: do know that all of the platforms, whether it be Google, Facebook,

1539
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 9: or whether it be all the new AAI organizations are

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01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 9: taking a content and not paying it for us.

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Speaker 3: This doesn't cover AI, does it may do what? Well

1542
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 3: do you know that? I don't know.

1543
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 9: Well, we'll see what the legislation says. We'll see.

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01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 3: How are you guys still lobbying for the old AI

1545
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 3: to be covered?

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01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 9: Well, why shouldn't it be? Does check GPT take all

1547
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 9: of our data?

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01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 3: Well, I would argue with you that the AI should

1549
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 3: be covered, actually more so than anything else. Yeah, so

1550
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 3: it feels like it should be but that doesn't mean

1551
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 3: that that the guys in the behive necessarily see it

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01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 3: that way.

1553
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 9: Well, if I ask check GPT where it gets its

1554
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 9: common from last time I did it, it said between ten

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01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 9: and fourteen percent of it came from the New Zealand Herald.

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 3: Was it honest about it?

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01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 29: Was it?

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01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 9: That's what I said?

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01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 3: Okay, Well that's a slam dunk, isn't it.

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Speaker 9: I think it is. And so that's where we're continuing

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01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 9: to focus on. It should be included and we should

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01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 9: be paid for that content being used for these companies

1563
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 9: to earn income.

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Speaker 3: Right, Boxy, what happened with the ad the Hobson's Pledge ad?

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01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 9: Hey, as you know, it was an ad. It's not

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Speaker 9: something that the company stands up and takes a position on.

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Speaker 9: We're absolutely reviewing guidelines. We're looking at what other companies

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Speaker 9: around the world do and so, and they're not too

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Speaker 9: distant future, you'll see us come out and talk about whatever.

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Speaker 3: Are you guys going to front foot and tell us

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Speaker 3: if there's a change of position on this one.

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01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 9: Absolutely, we're very clear on what we will do in

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01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 9: the future and be clear on it.

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Speaker 3: So what I didn't understand was it was kind of

1575
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 3: obvious that a position needed to be taken on it

1576
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 3: during the election campaign because you remember, you will remember

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01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 3: the c to you the Union took out a personal

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01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 3: attack on Chris Luxon, who's now obviously the Prime minister,

1579
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 3: and that made a lot of people really angry. Why

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Speaker 3: at that point didn't you guys make a decision and

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Speaker 3: say this kind of add because he doesn't happen on

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Speaker 3: the front page.

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Speaker 9: And so I think that's a really good point and

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01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 9: something again that will review as part of these guidelines. Again, clearly,

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Speaker 9: they're not ads that we're saying. This is a position

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Speaker 9: we take as an organization. There's lots of arguments around

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01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 9: freedom of speech, but there's also and a lot of

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01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 9: other arguments around making sure that you know we're not

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Speaker 9: offending people. I've had plenty of subscriber feedback. I've had

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Speaker 9: plenty of advertiser feedback in both directions.

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Speaker 3: Are really absolutely okay. Have you lost any subscribers over it?

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01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 9: We absolutely have.

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Speaker 3: Both both accounts, yep. And have you lost any advertisers

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Speaker 3: over it?

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01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 9: Absolutely? Really quite a lot, not significant, but people have

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01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 9: sent us messages to let us know that they've got an.

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Speaker 3: Opinion and they're not happy, and so they've pulled out.

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Speaker 10: That's right.

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Speaker 3: How much damagees it cost you?

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Speaker 9: It's not significant, but it's certainly something worth taking into account.

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Speaker 9: We're a corporate organization. We've got to do what's right

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01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 9: for this business.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so when do you make a call, it won't

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Speaker 3: be far away, all right, Listen, Boggsy, thank you very

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01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,839
Speaker 3: much for being so frank with us. I really appreciates.

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Speaker 3: Michael Bogg's the chief executive of enzed ME fourteen past six.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Dup to see Ellen with the business hours

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Speaker 2: thanks to my HR, the HR platform for SME on talkb.

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Speaker 3: Apparently, the locals, as I was telling you not long

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01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 3: ago and Barcelona not loving having the America's Cup there.

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Speaker 3: Some of them have been, I mean, there have been

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01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 3: like protests that happened last month. Thousands of them took

1614
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 3: the streets that were squirting tourists with water garns. Some

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01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 3: at the moment are wearing t shirts that say foreign

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01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 3: tourists go home, you're destroying our neighborhood. No America's Cup.

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01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 3: Apparently what they're fed up about is the tourism pushing

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Speaker 3: up the price of accommodation and putting pressure on the

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Speaker 3: city services. Megan Singleton is a travel blogger. She's going

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Speaker 3: to be with us after half bus six explained because

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01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 3: Grunt Dalton's argument is it's not us that are the problem,

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01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 3: all the sailors, it's the Poms who come over and

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Speaker 3: get absolutely what's a nice word hammered, Yeah, thank you

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01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 3: ants so I appreciate that, hammered, lit sozzled, And then

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01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 3: they do a chunda under the bridge and then they

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Speaker 3: go back. Those are the ones they don't like. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: we'll get her take on what's actually going on as

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Speaker 3: eighteen past six now trades on the agenda in Wellington tonight,

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Speaker 3: the OECD's Secretary General is in town for his first

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Speaker 3: official visit to New Zealand, and Brad Olson, Infimetric's principal economist.

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Speaker 4: Is there.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Brad, good evening. So what's the message that he's delivering.

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Speaker 11: I think you're just a sort of a complicated messaging

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01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 11: that we've been hearing a lot the last year or so.

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Speaker 4: Where look, New Zealand is trying to grow our trade.

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01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 11: The governments, of course set that expectation to double the

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Speaker 11: value of trade over the next decade. But at the

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Speaker 11: same time we're all navigating those difficult international conversations. There's

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01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 11: a lot more geopolitical risk and challenge out there, and

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01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 11: so you know, we're working through all of that. But

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01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 11: I think as well, it was quite interesting to hear

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01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 11: from the Secretary General that focus that is coming through

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01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 11: a lot at the moment on economic growth. We know

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01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 11: that the rest of the world is still sort of

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01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 11: struggling through those high inflation, high interest rate times, but

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Speaker 11: the area of Southeast Asia was singled out as a

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01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 11: real growth area at the moment, and of course that's

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01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 11: somewhere where New Zealand has a lot more focus in

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01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 11: recent times. So encouraging to see that sort of profile

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01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:07,719
Speaker 11: and spotlight on our part of the world.

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Speaker 3: We apparently want to double trade in the next ten years.

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01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 3: Well not apparently, we do want to double trade in

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01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 3: the next ten years. Two way trade between ourselves and

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01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 3: thirty eight OECD nations is something like fifty billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: How much more can we push that up?

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Speaker 11: Well, and I think that's sort of a really interesting

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01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 11: question as we look through over time because and what

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01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 11: I was a little bit struck by was.

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Speaker 4: That we heard from the Secretary General that New Zealand has.

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Speaker 11: Done extra ordinary well, you know, promoting our products and

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01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 11: similar on the global stage. And so I think it's

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Speaker 11: one of those areas where when we're thinking about the future,

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01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 11: is it the same sort of products that we've always

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01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 11: been providing out or actually the brand new products that

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01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 11: we can think of into the future. And I think

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01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 11: it's that area that sort of you know, dreaming up newer, bigger,

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01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 11: shinier stuff that we've got to be focused on.

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01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 15: Now.

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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister is off to Malaysia and I think

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Speaker 3: it's South Korea next week. I mean, do you think

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01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 3: these are important trade trips?

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Speaker 4: I think it's sort of critical.

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Speaker 11: I mean here we're you know, Lila on New Zealand

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01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,839
Speaker 11: team of five million and the team of eight billion globally.

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01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 11: You know, we don't necessarily register on everyone's scale each

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Speaker 11: and every day.

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Speaker 4: So by being able to get out there, I think, you.

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01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 11: Know, we do actually sort of promote our sales up

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01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 11: the border bit more. I have sort of been you know,

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Speaker 11: quite encouraged by the fact that you know, you have

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Speaker 11: seen government ministers out across the world.

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Speaker 4: There's been a lot of international trips.

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Speaker 11: We've seen the Prime Minister already, you know, often in

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01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 11: Japan and similar earlier this year. You know, we've had

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01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 11: the Trade Minister out across the world. In fact, there

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01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 11: was a stop last year. I don't think he literally slept.

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01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 11: He slept only on planes rather than booking a hotel room.

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Speaker 11: So all of this is encouraging. We of course had

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Speaker 11: the UN Sectorary General here last week, the OECD Sectary

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Speaker 11: General here at the moment, like it does feel like

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Speaker 11: there is a real international focus coming from New Zealand

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01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 11: at the moment, and I am encouraged because that's the

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01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 11: way we're going to have to make connections. We're going

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01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 11: to have to trade with those connections, and the way

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01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 11: you do that is by pressing the flesh and getting

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Speaker 11: in front of people.

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Speaker 3: But it's good to talk to you, mate, Go and

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Speaker 3: enjoy the evening. That's Brad Olson, Infametric's principle economists. By

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Speaker 3: the way, Tasty Cheese Mainland Tasty Cheese has finally broken

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01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 3: the twenty buck barrier. Is this the first time? I

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01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 3: feel like it is. I could be wrong, but I

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01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 3: feel like we've been talking about this for the longest time,

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01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 3: and finally we've just got there and we're paying around

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01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 3: twenty bucks in Patni at one of the supermarkets just there.

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01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:21,919
Speaker 3: It is no nineteen ninety nine, none of this nineteen

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01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 3: ninety five nonsense. They've just been straight up with your

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01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 3: twenty bucks. Give us a twenty There you go. We'll

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01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 3: have a chat to Jamie mchaiy next six to twenty one.

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Speaker 1: The Rural Report on hither do for see allan.

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Speaker 3: Drive Jamie mckaye hosts of the Countries with us a

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01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 3: Jamie Goody. Hear that, hear You've got a hot take

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01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 3: on the price of butter and on cheese, because Laura,

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01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 3: the producer was saying to me she was gutted. She

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01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 3: went to New World the other day and it was

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01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 3: ten bucks for what was it, anchor an anchor butter.

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01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 3: That's a lot.

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Speaker 10: Well, I'd just said to produce a Laura, get used

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01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:58,520
Speaker 10: to it. Unfortunately, because the price of international dairy commodities,

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01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 10: this is going up. We're just surely as night Fellow's day,

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01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 10: the price of butter and cheese and the supermarkets is

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01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 10: likely to go up. And I was watching the story

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01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 10: on one of the network news programs about twenty dollars

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01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 10: for a block of cheese. Laura's saying ten bucks for

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01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 10: a block of butter. And the bizarre thing about all

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01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 10: this feat there is I'm here also hearing there's like

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01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 10: a butter shortage in this country, which is absolutely yeah, apparently. Well,

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Speaker 10: I couldn't believe it a couple of weeks ago when

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Speaker 10: they said there was a shortage of beef and lamb.

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01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 10: You know, we grow the stuff, we export it. We

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01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 10: seem to have a shortage of it domestically. But yep,

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Speaker 10: just on the subject of cheese, it'll go up because farm, well,

1732
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 10: international commodity prices are going up, So go stock up

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01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 10: on butter and cheese.

1734
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,520
Speaker 3: Now do you buy when you go to the supermarket

1735
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 3: do you buy the Anchor or do you buy the

1736
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 3: West Gold? Because I find the Anchor is a little

1737
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 3: bit funky tasting and I prefer I prefer the bougie

1738
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 3: West Gold.

1739
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 10: I buy a six pack of m since Pelsener at

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01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:01,480
Speaker 10: the supermarket.

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01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 3: You don't need better than if you're eating there.

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01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 10: I don't need that. There's a there's a steak in

1743
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 10: every bottle.

1744
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 3: Heather, Hey, what are you hearing about fonterra?

1745
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 15: Oh?

1746
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 10: Nothing, Well, I mean I'm hearing that there's going to

1747
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 10: be an announcement tomorrow, I just wonder what the hell

1748
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 10: it is, because, of course, they came out very recently,

1749
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 10: in fact, last Friday, it's top of my head, and

1750
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 10: announced a fifty percent increase in the milk forecast price.

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01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 10: I doubt, in fact, would be totally sure. They're not

1752
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 10: going to come out tomorrow and announce another rise in

1753
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 10: the milk forecast price. Although they moved from eight dollars

1754
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 10: to eight fifty, the futures market is at eight eighty.

1755
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 10: This is for the season we're in. And I think

1756
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 10: nz X came out late late last week and we're

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01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 10: predicting nine dollars twenty And I harked back to what

1758
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 10: I said before, that's why the price of dairy commodities

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01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 10: domestically are probably going to go up. But there is

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01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 10: something coming from Fonterra tomorrow, Heather, I.

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01:20:57,800 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 14: Don't know what it is.

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01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 3: I can't wait. I can't wait a Fonterra announcement's so

1763
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 3: important to the country. Thank you, Jamie really appreciated Jamie Mackay,

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01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 3: Host of the Country. I made it sound like, by

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01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 3: the way, West gold is more expensive than mainland, but

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01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 3: it blows my mind. It's not like I was looking

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01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 3: at the supermarket prices just now and bearing in mind

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01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 3: that it's going to change, you know wherever it is

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01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 3: that you're shopping. But West Gold from where I can see,

1770
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 3: and this quite nice butter by the way, seven dollars

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01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 3: forty at Woolworths. And what were you pay was ten

1772
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 3: dollars ten dollars for the old anchor, Like why are

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01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 3: you eating anchor for ten dollars when you can pay

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01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 3: seven dollars forty for Wes's gold. You could tell yourself

1775
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 3: it's flashy, because frankly it is. Anyway, Hither, I just

1776
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 3: got back from five days in Barcelona. No problem for us.

1777
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 3: They love Australia and New Zealand. The problem is the

1778
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 3: accommodation that's taken up by the euro tourists as holiday homes. Sherl,

1779
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 3: thank you for that. Megan's going to talk us through

1780
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 3: it shortly. Also, don't know if you've been keeping an

1781
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 3: eye on what's going on with the Beam e scooters,

1782
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 3: but Auckland Council has just canceled the license they have

1783
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 3: until midnight and they have to get all of the

1784
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 3: beam scooters off the roads so the beam ones. Are

1785
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 3: they the purple ones? I think they might be. They're

1786
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 3: gone off the roads in Auckland because they only had

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01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 3: permission for twelve hundred scooters. They put fifteen hundred on

1788
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 3: the roads. They broke the rules. Been doing it in

1789
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,640
Speaker 3: various other councils as well. So that's what happens. And

1790
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 3: they've been referred to the cops. That's what happens.

1791
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 2: Headline's next, whether it's macro, MicroB or just plain economics,

1792
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 2: it's all on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

1793
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 2: and my HR, the HR platform for sme US talks B.

1794
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 3: You know, I worry when boomers start going hard on

1795
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 3: social media. It's just not their natural habitat. However, Wayne

1796
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 3: Brown is going hard on social media and it's actually

1797
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 3: a good time. I'll run you through the details very shortly,

1798
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 3: getting a lot of texts saying hey, listen, here's the

1799
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 3: difference between the pricing of the west Gold butter and

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01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 3: the Anchor butter. The Anchor butter is five hundred grams

1801
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 3: and the west Gold is four hundred grams. I did

1802
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 3: the maths for you. It still works out cheaper because

1803
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 3: it's seven dollars forty. If you were to increase it

1804
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 3: to five hundred grams, you'd still be paying nine dollars

1805
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 3: twenty five. That's still cheaper than the ten dollars you're

1806
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 3: going to pay for the anchor ants. Why have you

1807
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 3: got your cans on? I thought you were going to

1808
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 3: say something about have you got an opinion on the butter?

1809
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 2: Though? No?

1810
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 29: I was lucky enough and that I helped a couple

1811
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 29: of my neighbors move out recently and they let me

1812
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 29: have the pick of their fridge. So I haven't paid

1813
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 29: for my butter in.

1814
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: A little while.

1815
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 3: How much butter do they haven't they?

1816
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 14: Oh?

1817
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 29: They had at least two good blocks.

1818
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 3: Fantastic, Okay, yeap, lucky?

1819
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 29: Sorry, how the other half live?

1820
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 3: I guess not at all what we were expecting as

1821
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 3: a contribution to this particular discussion. But I mean, that's

1822
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 3: quite a nice thing to do. You help, you See,

1823
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 3: this is what happens when you're a nice I did

1824
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 3: it for free.

1825
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 29: I got some butter out of it, few cans.

1826
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 3: But did you know that, like when you offered to help,

1827
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 3: did you know you were going to get butter?

1828
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 16: No?

1829
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,560
Speaker 29: I guessed I made an educated.

1830
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 3: Guess yes, good from you. Twenty four away from seven now,

1831
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 3: tourists arriving in Barcelona, as I was telling you earlier

1832
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 3: for the America's Cup A receiving a hostile welcome as

1833
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 3: the city grapples with overcrowding and mass tourism. Locals have

1834
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 3: been seen wearing anti America's Cup merchandise and they're planning

1835
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 3: a series of demonstrations about this next week. Now. Megan

1836
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 3: Singleton is a travel writer from Blogger at Large and

1837
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 3: is with us. Now, Hey, Megan, hi, here, this is

1838
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 3: not this is not just a Barcelona thing. Is that

1839
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 3: this is across Europe that they're feeling quite hostile towards tourists.

1840
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 12: I know, it's and it's weird, isn't it was? Because

1841
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 12: if you take Barcelona, don't forget that the mayor was

1842
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:37,560
Speaker 12: just saying how when they won the pitch, how fantastic

1843
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 12: it was going to be for Barcelona to have all

1844
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,879
Speaker 12: these tourists in this great, big event, and then everyone

1845
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 12: arrives and go to faith. You would imagine and hello,

1846
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 12: they're all being a bit of me.

1847
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1848
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 12: It's a bit strange, isn't it.

1849
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 3: They have a fair point, though, I mean, if you

1850
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 3: were to completely see it just from their perspective. They've

1851
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 3: got a point, haven't they, That all these people come

1852
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 3: in for a lark, drive up the prices and they

1853
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,799
Speaker 3: can't enjoy it themselves.

1854
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 12: And it's not even just a lark. So I've tried

1855
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 12: to do a bit of Google research. Well I'm not

1856
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 12: as good as ants. What I have discovered is each

1857
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 12: team has all of its crew and families and they

1858
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 12: have put multiple apartments for multiple months to live there

1859
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 12: and get all these you know, just even shipping over

1860
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 12: of all the boats are putting together, of the boats

1861
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 12: all the ancillary teams. I did see that there were

1862
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 12: three hundred Emirates flights booked just for Team New Zealand

1863
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 12: to get there, so you know, extrapolate that out to

1864
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 12: all six teams and that's a lot of crew and

1865
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 12: families living in apartments in Barcelona. And yes, then you've

1866
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 12: got the tourists that are coming over to watch it

1867
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 12: and that are taking all the airbnbs. So that is

1868
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 12: why the locals are finding their accommodation prices are going

1869
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 12: sky high that there's no reas for them to stay.

1870
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 3: Is there a thing going on at the moment where

1871
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 3: we are particularly interested in going to Europe.

1872
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 12: Well, another thing that was very interesting was that Paris

1873
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 12: was down on this time last year in tourist numbers,

1874
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 12: and so they did not get the bang for their

1875
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 12: bucket they were promised that they would get. And then

1876
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 12: I also discovered that in the last Summer Olympics, London,

1877
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 12: as Atlanta all saw a decrease in tourism when they

1878
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 12: hosted the summer Games. So that you fork out all

1879
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 12: this big money for your city and you hope that

1880
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 12: it's going to, you know, increase their tourism, and you've

1881
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 12: got Airbnb's going on special, hotels discounting their rates, and

1882
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 12: in restaurants trying to do too well.

1883
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 3: And what do you put that down to is that

1884
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 3: just because people look at it and go that's a

1885
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 3: massive event, it's going to be an absolute cluster. I'm

1886
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 3: not going.

1887
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 12: Exactly little to airlines are saying they took a massive hit.

1888
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 12: Americans just thought that we're not going to Paris and

1889
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 12: so they were hugely down on this time last year.

1890
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 3: You ever been to the Olympic Games.

1891
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 12: No, but I've had friends that were there this year

1892
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 12: and they were just filling their Facebook feed with all

1893
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 12: of their shots they were in the athletics that they

1894
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 12: were just that every athletics event and it was made

1895
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 12: watching it vicariously that was my life.

1896
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 3: And so what did they say, was it a cluster

1897
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 3: or was it actually awesome?

1898
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 12: No, they thought it was awesome. But then they were

1899
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 12: staying somewhere and they were going to the events, and

1900
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 12: they were going to every single event, and then they

1901
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 12: would go out and do stuff in the evening. But

1902
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 12: I think if you had a little restaurant, not perhaps

1903
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 12: right around although Stay de France is not in a

1904
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 12: great area of Paris, and they have seen enormous increase

1905
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 12: in well building infrastructure, lots more police, lots more people

1906
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 12: keeping it tidy, and they've loved it and their businesses

1907
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 12: have really thrived. But that was literally right around the stadium.

1908
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 12: I think the rest of the places in Paris saw

1909
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 12: a decrease.

1910
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 3: Fascinating stuff. Meghan, thank you for talking us through that.

1911
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 3: Really appreciated what a great job you've got, Megan Singleton,

1912
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 3: blogger at.

1913
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: Large either duper Cy Ellen.

1914
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 3: This is one of the weirdest stories that you're going

1915
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,799
Speaker 3: to hear probably today, because there's a lot of weird

1916
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 3: stuff going on in here that like that none of

1917
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 3: us really have an hour lives. Okay, do you remember

1918
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 3: the farmer bro Martin shre Kelly. I think this is

1919
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 3: how you pronounced his name. Do you remember him. Everybody

1920
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 3: hated it because he became famous because he tried to

1921
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 3: raise the price of a live saving drug, remember astronomically

1922
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 3: to make heaps of money. And he was like, who

1923
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 3: cares if people are sick and needing this drug, I'm

1924
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 3: just going to make maximum amount a dollar out of it.

1925
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 3: He is in trouble with the law in the States

1926
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 3: at the moment for sharing copies of the Wu Tan

1927
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 3: Clans album Once Upon a Time in Sharlin, which has

1928
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 3: never been released. Now. The story here with this album

1929
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 3: is that Wu Tang Clan made this over about six

1930
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 3: years and then finally released it in twenty fifteen, but

1931
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 3: never actually released it to the public, so none of

1932
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,600
Speaker 3: us have heard it. Right, the album's there, it's like

1933
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 3: thirty one tracks or something like that. None of us

1934
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 3: had ever heard it because all they did was they

1935
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 3: put one copy up for auction in twenty fifteen on

1936
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 3: the strict condition that whoever buys it cannot release it publicly,

1937
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 3: because it was a statement that they were making about

1938
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 3: contemporary art, and they wanted to be part of contemporary

1939
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,799
Speaker 3: Now Oldbro Farmer Bro bought the album for twelve million

1940
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 3: bucks back in twenty fifteen. This is US money. But

1941
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 3: then he got in trouble with the law for securities fraud,

1942
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 3: for lying to investors in cheating them out of millions

1943
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 3: of dollars and stuff like that, and he had to

1944
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 3: forfeit the album because it was obviously so valuable. And

1945
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:21,719
Speaker 3: then the album was bought by a weird cryptocurrency collective

1946
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 3: called something like Please a Daho. I don't really know

1947
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 3: how to pronounce it, but I think that's how you

1948
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 3: say this particularly weird name that they've given themselves. They

1949
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 3: paid four point seventy five million US for US has

1950
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 3: gone up in value by this stage. Now Please Adao

1951
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 3: has a problem with Martin Kelly because they reckon. He

1952
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 3: still got copies and he's sharing them. There wasn't just

1953
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 3: one copy, after all, the little creep has gone and

1954
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 3: burned them and he's sharing them with his mates or

1955
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 3: possibly selling them. So a judge in New York has

1956
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 3: said that he must produce all copies of this album

1957
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 3: and he must report the names of anyone that he's

1958
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 3: distributed the music to and he's got until the end

1959
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 3: of next month, end of September, and to also give

1960
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 3: any money that he's made from it. Weird, isn't it.

1961
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Speaker 3: Eighteen Away from seven.

1962
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Speaker 2: Everything from a SMEs to the Big Corporates, The Business

1963
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 2: Hour with Heather Duple c Ellen and my HR, the

1964
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 2: HR platform for a SME.

1965
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 3: US talk to B and A Brady Ow UK correspondents

1966
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Speaker 3: with ME now into Hello.

1967
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Speaker 14: Hey, Heather, great to speak to you again.

1968
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Speaker 3: Hey, it's fifteen minutes and we're going to find out

1969
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 3: what Oasis are up to. What do you reckon they're

1970
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 3: up to?

1971
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 14: I'm on the website right now. I mean, I'm just

1972
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 14: I'm looking at I'm away, I'm as anxious. I'm a

1973
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 14: huge fan, absolutely huge fan of Oasis. I love their music.

1974
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 14: They're from an Irish family and they're genuine characters. I mean,

1975
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:44,600
Speaker 14: you just don't seem to have people like Gleam and

1976
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 14: Noel Gallagher in world music anywhere. Certainly I don't see

1977
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 14: them and this is going to be huge. I mean,

1978
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 14: if this turns out that they are getting back together.

1979
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 14: There's rumors of ten Nights Book at Wembley next year.

1980
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 14: Which would break Taylor Swift's record sheet set of eight.

1981
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 14: There's rumors of a headline gig at Glastonbury Festival. It's

1982
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 14: going to be the event in Europe of twenty twenty five.

1983
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 3: What are you doing sitting on the website it so

1984
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 3: you can buy tickets immediately or something like that.

1985
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,679
Speaker 14: Something's gonna happen in let me work it out fifteen precisely,

1986
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 14: fifteen minutes. Yeah, I mean, look, it's it's huge, and

1987
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 14: if you're not a fan, that doesn't mean anything to you.

1988
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 14: But this was the defining music of the nineties really

1989
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 14: for a lot of people and everyone who followed the band.

1990
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 14: The rouse, the sibling rivalry, the physical violence between them,

1991
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 14: all the nasty interviews they've said about each other. I mean,

1992
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 14: it's just the next chapter. It's such a rock and

1993
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 14: roll thing, and the part of me is a little

1994
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 14: bit kind of cynical thinking this is all being driven

1995
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 14: by Noel's recent divorce, yeah, and the payment to his

1996
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 14: ex wife. But happening.

1997
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 3: I mean, I just thought it was that Bird didn't

1998
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 3: like Liam and she was getting in the way, and

1999
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 3: now that she's out of the way, they can actually

2000
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:56,520
Speaker 3: have a brotherly relationship.

2001
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 14: That's a good take. Look, I think the woman always

2002
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:03,679
Speaker 14: gets blamed when bands break up, whether it's the Beatles

2003
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 14: or Oasis. But let's see. I think it's just going

2004
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 14: to be seismic and it would give, certainly the whole

2005
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:12,719
Speaker 14: of the UK a big lift of people have something

2006
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 14: to really look forward to next summer. But because they

2007
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 14: just tore it up, they broke all the record books.

2008
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 14: They made amazing music. I drove into London this morning

2009
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,719
Speaker 14: and I put on Definitely Maybe It's thirty years old

2010
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 14: that album and it still gets you going. I mean,

2011
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,600
Speaker 14: I was just buzzing and it's just going to be

2012
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 14: so exciting. My only fear is can they actually be

2013
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 14: in each other's company for ten nights on the spin

2014
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 14: without something going wrong?

2015
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 3: This is true, This is true. You ever met them,

2016
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 3: by the way, I've.

2017
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 14: Mett All a few times, and this sounds like a

2018
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 14: really kind of not so humble brag. He's a huge

2019
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 14: fan of my work, which I was not aware of

2020
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 14: until he came up to me. Not a word of

2021
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 14: a lie. He came up to me at Heathrow Airport

2022
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:58,560
Speaker 14: one day and he explained that them he spends a

2023
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 14: lot of time in hotels, for his music, for his work,

2024
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 14: and he listens to a lot of news and he

2025
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 14: just randomly started. This was years and years ago, and

2026
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 14: I was hugely humbled, and there was people watching in

2027
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 14: the queue as he throw airport security, and he was

2028
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 14: asking me where I was going and what I was

2029
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 14: reporting on next, and did he keep listening. We shook hands,

2030
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 14: got a picture, and then I met him again. He

2031
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 14: came into Sky one day and I had a lot

2032
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,799
Speaker 14: of footballs in the car. It's quite a funny story.

2033
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 14: I run a lot of marathons, as you know, for

2034
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:35,599
Speaker 14: breast cancer charities, and when I saw Noel, I realized

2035
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 14: I had a bag of soccer balls in the boot

2036
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:39,679
Speaker 14: of my car, and I asked him, I said, would

2037
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 14: you mind signing a few footballs for me, just for

2038
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 14: the cancer charity. And he came over to my car

2039
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 14: and he was brilliant and he signed them all. And

2040
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 14: it was really funny because the first ball he picked up,

2041
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 14: I'd had an autographed by Paul Merson, who used to

2042
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:54,799
Speaker 14: play for Arsenal, and he misread the autograph and he said,

2043
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 14: oh my god, you got Paul Weller on this. And

2044
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 14: I didn't have the heart to tell him that it

2045
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:02,879
Speaker 14: was Paul Merson soccer player and not Paul Weller the musician,

2046
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 14: and he said, oh, he said, I've got to sign

2047
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 14: all these if Weller has done it for you. So

2048
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 14: the end result was I got a load of soccer

2049
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 14: ball sign They raised tens of thousands of dollars. They're

2050
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 14: really good guys. I don't know Lim at all, but

2051
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 14: anytime I've run into Knowl he has just been brilliant.

2052
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 3: Right, what's the best tuned you reckon?

2053
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 14: Oh, Morning Glory? What's the story Morning Glory? I'll love

2054
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:28,719
Speaker 14: Wonderwall master Plan. I mean, they're just so many hits.

2055
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 14: The album is a classic, and I wish them well genuinely.

2056
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 14: I just think they're such characters, and certainly the fact

2057
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 14: that they're of Irish stock and when they go home

2058
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:40,879
Speaker 14: to where their parents are from in the West of Ireland,

2059
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 14: they sit, they drink ginness, they play the guitar in

2060
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 14: the local pub and nobody bothers them. And that makes

2061
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 14: me really proud to be Irish that global rock stars

2062
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 14: can go and sit in a pub in County Mayo,

2063
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,679
Speaker 14: have a sing song in a session and people basically

2064
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 14: leave them alone, because ultimately they're Peggy's kids who've come

2065
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:00,639
Speaker 14: home that cool.

2066
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:04,600
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you end up sharing my enthusiasm for it.

2067
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:06,599
Speaker 3: I feel like you're the first person I've actually run

2068
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 3: into all day who's here for this end of Brady

2069
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 3: our UK correspondent. I was trying to I mean, I

2070
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 3: feel like it's hard to pick the best Oasis song,

2071
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 3: isn't it? Because He's right, there's just an album full

2072
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 3: of bangers. But I feel like Roll with It is

2073
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 3: the one that you know that you got a roll

2074
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 3: That's the one that gets stuck in my head all

2075
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 3: the time. So I'm going to go with that one

2076
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 3: just for the sake of it, just for the sake

2077
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 3: of having to pick something right on the spot. Wayne Brown, Now,

2078
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 3: as I was telling you, do worry about the old

2079
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 3: boomers getting into the social media. But Wayne Brown is

2080
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 3: nailing this. At the moment, he's done, he's doing his podcast.

2081
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 3: We've loved that, and now he's hit the Twitter with

2082
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:44,679
Speaker 3: a video. He's giving himself congratulations quite rightly, quite rightly

2083
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 3: for doing the very thing that Chris Luxon said last

2084
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 3: week that the councils need to do, which just to

2085
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 3: stop wasting money rate rises.

2086
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 1: There are royal pain in the pulm.

2087
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 20: Nobody likes to getting the rate letter in the post

2088
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 20: telling you to hand over a more carrot for the

2089
01:35:57,800 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 20: same student.

2090
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,799
Speaker 3: At which point he throws a carrot in a pot.

2091
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 3: But there's more.

2092
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 20: We've got two options. We either make savings or we

2093
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 20: put up your rates. So far we've managed to find

2094
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:14,600
Speaker 20: eighty three million dollars of savings. But it's no coincidence

2095
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,600
Speaker 20: that we've delivered the last rate rise of any metropolitan

2096
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 20: center in the country. Let's face it, things could be worse.

2097
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 3: And at the point man man man utter my own heart.

2098
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:28,719
Speaker 3: At the point where he says, let's face that things

2099
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 3: could be worse, he points at Wellington, where the rates

2100
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 3: rises as sixteen point nine percent. But do not be

2101
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:37,599
Speaker 3: fooled by that. But that, by the way, that's that's

2102
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 3: compared to his six point eight percent. Do not be

2103
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 3: fooled by that, because the Wellington Regional Council's rates rises

2104
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,719
Speaker 3: are twenty percent twenty point five. So sometimes it works

2105
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 3: out just the way that it works out works out

2106
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 3: at way above sixteen point nine percent for some people.

2107
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 20: So my message to council is clear, stop wasting money.

2108
01:36:58,479 --> 01:36:58,919
Speaker 1: Please.

2109
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would take them. Seriously. There's a lot of

2110
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 3: sound of guns being cocked in the background of that video.

2111
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 29: It sounds like he's about to say it's not his

2112
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 29: first for a day area.

2113
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 3: And thank you for raising this because I feel like

2114
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 3: it's the same people who made the Winston video have

2115
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 3: also made this video.

2116
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 29: Oh and do you think they were behind the Shane

2117
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:20,679
Speaker 29: Jones karaokes we got during the election as well?

2118
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 3: No, I think that was just that was somebody got

2119
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 3: drunken to that because there was no way anybody self respond.

2120
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 1: That's a relief.

2121
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 3: No self respecting person would own that age away from seven.

2122
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's all

2123
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 2: on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicity Ellen and my HR,

2124
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME used TALKSB crunching the numbers

2125
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 2: and getting the results.

2126
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Allen with the Business.

2127
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 2: Hours thanks to my HR, the HR platform for SME

2128
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 2: on us TALKSB.

2129
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 3: Hey good News. Started the program with the power situation.

2130
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 3: We'll end the program with the power situation. The weather

2131
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 3: across the country in the last few days has been

2132
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:01,799
Speaker 3: a bit yeah, but also has had a silver lining,

2133
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 3: which is that the Hydra lakes are a little more

2134
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 3: full than they were before. They haven't said by how much,

2135
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,640
Speaker 3: but Lake Poohkucky is up just a few inches. But

2136
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 3: these things make a difference. And Lake Manaputi is now

2137
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 3: above average for the first time since mid June. And

2138
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 3: we've got more rain coming so it should get even

2139
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 3: better than that. Gone there, NaN's.

2140
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:24,719
Speaker 29: Roll with it by Oasis to play us out tonight, since,

2141
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 29: as you identified in the last voice break, it is

2142
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 29: your favorite Oasis song. And we how have what four

2143
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 29: and a half minutes until Noel and Liam Dellagher announced

2144
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 29: something on a website called oasisnap dot next or something

2145
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 29: like that oasisnet dot com. Anyway, don't worry about going

2146
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 29: to the website because Lockee on the news from the

2147
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 29: news desk. He's refreshing it furiously and so that news

2148
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 29: will be useful.

2149
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 3: This is how big they are, right, We've got how

2150
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 3: old is Locke? He's I mean he's about like twenty.

2151
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 29: Yeah about that thing?

2152
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 3: Know who they are?

2153
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 29: I'm sure Locke knows who Oasis is.

2154
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 3: Do you think so?

2155
01:38:57,479 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 29: Lockey seems like the sort of person who has either

2156
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 29: played when Wall at a house party in his time

2157
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 29: or heard someone else do.

2158
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 3: It, okay, because I never cease to be amazed at

2159
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:07,799
Speaker 3: how old I am nowadays and how things have changed.

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Speaker 29: I don't know if he's going to get the ticket

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Speaker 29: and go with you to the concert, but he will

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Speaker 29: definitely update everyone for the news.

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Speaker 3: Good from Lockie, Good from Lockie. This had better not

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Speaker 3: be a fizzer. I swear to God. If they don't

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Speaker 3: announce something spectacular, I'm just going to be furious, and

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Speaker 3: that I'm just going to be furious. That's all, just quietly,

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Speaker 3: and then I'll listen to one of the albums and

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Speaker 3: probably settle right down because I'll be joined by other

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Speaker 3: furious people, which is them making music. Anyway, here we go,

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Speaker 3: three and a half minutes in counting, See you tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: same

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Speaker 2: Wish For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live

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Speaker 2: to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or

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