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Speaker 1: Ever do for ce lf okay to the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand has joined twenty seven other countries in a

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Speaker 1: joint statement condemning the killing of Gars and civilians and

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Speaker 1: called for an immediate ceasefire in Palestine. Statement was signed

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Speaker 1: by Foreign Minister Winston Peters. Winston, Hello, Yiado, is anything

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Speaker 1: actually going to change because of this joint statement?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a serious step up. We've got twenty eight

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Speaker 2: countries now and now the EU has joining us, so

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Speaker 2: it's starting to build. And let's so that this time

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Speaker 2: we're successful.

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Speaker 1: You will seriously, is anything going to change? Though? As

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Speaker 1: long as the US, Winston, as long as the US

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Speaker 1: is in support of Israel, they're not going to stop,

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Speaker 1: are they.

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Speaker 2: Look, Donald Trump has expressed very clearly here's other frustration

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Speaker 2: on what's going on. He made it as clearly as

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Speaker 2: clear as possible. We just hope that the pressure building

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Speaker 2: up now will see this come turn end. But remember this,

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Speaker 2: our master is still keeping those hostages they took on

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Speaker 2: the seventh of October. This would be be condemned as well.

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Speaker 2: It should be the prelude to this change. So it's difficult.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that is Israel. Do you think pressing

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Speaker 1: ahead with its plans to clear the strip of Palestinians.

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Speaker 2: I can't say that I don't know what their plans are.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a whole lot of information out there

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Speaker 2: in the ether which is not based on fact, not sound,

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Speaker 2: and we have the awfully cautious here to ensure that

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Speaker 2: our sources are better than some countries are.

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Speaker 1: Haven't they said publicly that they're going to do this.

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Speaker 2: No, some people have said in the Israeli Parliament that,

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Speaker 2: but that's not being the government's position.

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Speaker 1: What do you believe?

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Speaker 2: Well, and we're waiting, we're all trying to find out

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Speaker 2: what it all means. But what we want is the

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Speaker 2: strife in the death over now while we try and

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Speaker 2: help put back together some sort of peaceful solution.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what is it that's brought on the statement?

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Speaker 2: What in particular, well, what's in particular has brought it

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Speaker 2: on is the frustration that we're engaged in long periods

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Speaker 2: of helping out when this crisis inmanitarian crisis, and yet

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Speaker 2: there's no at the moment solution that appears obvious to

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Speaker 2: many of us. Stop the war and finalize this matter,

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Speaker 2: get around the peace table. But both sides in the

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Speaker 2: case of our mass not even now can seeing that

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Speaker 2: they should be giving those hostages back. This is the outrage,

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Speaker 2: and they're misusing so many Palestinians in their desire to

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Speaker 2: eradicate the state of Israel. This is both sides wrong story.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's say that your hope is your wish comes

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Speaker 1: true and there is sufficient public pressure to force some

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Speaker 1: sort of a stop to the fighting. How does that

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Speaker 1: play out?

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Speaker 2: Well, hope it plays out where we have an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to begin with the two state solutions, which has been

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Speaker 2: out case across the political divide over decades. We've always

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Speaker 2: believed that we're not giving up on that solution.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but what happens here, So let's say sufficient numbers

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Speaker 1: in the world say this is outrageous. Pressure is put

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Speaker 1: on Donald Trump to paul support for Israel. Is that

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Speaker 1: likely to happen?

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Speaker 2: Well, I can't answer for the American people, and I

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Speaker 2: can't answer for the American government, but they are an

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Speaker 2: essential component of the solution. I agree.

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Speaker 1: It can't happen without him, though, can it?

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Speaker 2: Well, it should be able to happen without the United States.

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Speaker 2: So that's in much pressure we require now to happen.

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Speaker 1: All right, Winston, thank you very much, Winston Peters, Foreign

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