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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected.

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Speaker 1: Youth Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, we're

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Speaker 3: going to speak to a survivor of Lake Alice about

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Speaker 3: the Big Old Day today. Luxeon has chatted to Trump

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Speaker 3: on the phone. What about obviously apart from all the

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Speaker 3: bland stuff, what about really we'll speak to former Foreign

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Speaker 3: Minister Sir doug Don McKennon, and then also Federated Farmers

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Speaker 3: pretty cross about what the Climate Change Commission is saying

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Speaker 3: about pines. You're going to want to.

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Speaker 1: Hear this, Heather duplicy Allen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, big Old day for the survivors of abuse

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Speaker 3: and state care today because the government, through the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 3: finally apologized for this. And look that is important. Look,

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Speaker 3: I know you know what they want is redress as well,

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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of them and fair enough, and that

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Speaker 3: will come. But an apology also is very important, especially

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Speaker 3: when you consider how long it is officially not been

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Speaker 3: a big deal that kids went through what they did

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Speaker 3: while they were in the state of care for it

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Speaker 3: to now be acknowledged. Is yep, absolutely actually a big

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Speaker 3: deal and for the state to admit it did wrong,

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Speaker 3: I think that's really important. Slightly unfortunately, the day has

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Speaker 3: been overshadowed by the anger that's been directed at the

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Speaker 3: Solicitor General today, and I think this is going to

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Speaker 3: be the thing that everybody remembers about today.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 3: Una Jegosi tried to apologize herself today as the Solicitor General.

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Speaker 3: She was booed by survivors. She was heckled by survivors.

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Speaker 3: One woman walked out, another turned her back to the

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Speaker 3: Solicitor General while she was talking in a move of protest,

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Speaker 3: and plenty of them. The reason they're so angry is

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Speaker 3: because they want to strip from her job. They accuse

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Speaker 3: her of covering up what really happened to them. Now,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell these people that they're not

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Speaker 3: entitled to feel angry, because of course they are. But

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Speaker 3: what we have to remember when we're discussing the Solicitor

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Speaker 3: General's role in this, and even in a lower role

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Speaker 3: previously as a Crown lawyer before she became the Solicitor General,

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Speaker 3: is that crown lawyers, crown law the Solicitor General, they

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Speaker 3: are the government's lawyers, right, they act in the best

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Speaker 3: interests of the crown. It's pretty much the same as

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Speaker 3: David Bain's lawyer, or even Brenton Tarrant's lawyer. Or should

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Speaker 3: you or I be accused of something significant our lawyers

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Speaker 3: that our lawyers are not there to look after everybody else.

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Speaker 3: They are there to look after us. They are working

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Speaker 3: in the best interests of their clients. And the same

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Speaker 3: as true of Crown law. It's really important context. When

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Speaker 3: we feel angry at somebody like the Solicitor General or

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Speaker 3: Crown Law for what they did, I understand why Una

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Speaker 3: je Gosi is copying it. Pretty much the worst today

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Speaker 3: is much easier to pin the blame on one person,

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Speaker 3: isn't it than to pin the blame on a giant

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Speaker 3: system like government, and especially when you consider that governments

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Speaker 3: change every few years. I mean, one person is much

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Speaker 3: easier to hold accountable than potentially thousands of people for

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Speaker 3: little bits that they did over decades. And maybe it

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Speaker 3: will make a lot of people feel a lot better

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Speaker 3: if she loses her job, But remember this, it's not

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Speaker 3: like sheally going to fix anything, is it. Not in

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Speaker 3: the past, and not for kids who are in state

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Speaker 3: care in the future, and beware the quick solution, because

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Speaker 3: the quick solution may create a false sense things have

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Speaker 3: been fixed when they really haven't. And the most important

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Speaker 3: thing is that things are actually fixed. Isn't it more

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Speaker 3: important than anything? She actually fronted up today? And so

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Speaker 1: Would Heather do for see alex nine two nine.

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Speaker 3: Two of the text number as I say, we'll speak

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Speaker 3: to actually get rid of Runagigosi. She'll be with us

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Speaker 3: after five o'clock. Now on another subject altogether, we've got

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Speaker 3: some research on gen Z and screen time, and you

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Speaker 3: know how it feel about screen time. Apparently the young

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Speaker 3: kids themselves actually see the benefit in putting down their phones.

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Speaker 3: Outward Bound surveyed young people aged twenty and under who

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Speaker 3: five years. Eighty percent of them four and five want

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Speaker 3: to reduce their screen time ninety three percent so they

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Speaker 3: right now, hoy Melndy.

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Speaker 5: Tied to here.

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Speaker 6: But how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. Did any of this surprise

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Speaker 1: Not at all.

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Speaker 5: But it's actually really exciting to have some evidence to

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Speaker 5: back up what we've been saying about disconnecting from social

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Speaker 5: media and screen time on an outward bound course?

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Speaker 3: Right do you think which brings me to this?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 3: Do you think that this is representative of all gen

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's possibly quite a common misconception. So outward

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Speaker 5: of our courses, but they are fairly representative. And it's

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Speaker 5: not all privileged kids whose parents are paying for them

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Speaker 5: come on a scholarship program, some come through community partnership programs,

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Speaker 3: I was, Melindi, No, I was not thinking that they

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you would be.

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Speaker 5: I think I mean. The thing without bound is it's

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Speaker 5: And actually it's not about coming and getting into the

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Speaker 5: outdoors and learning how to kayak and learning how to

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Speaker 5: rock climate. It's a journey to learn about yourself and

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Speaker 5: sort of rediscover who you are and build resilience and connection.

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Speaker 5: And so it's for all young people who want to

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Speaker 5: achieve those goals. And that's what we actually find with

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Speaker 5: the disconnects from social media and devices. It's actually something

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Speaker 5: young people. But when you actually put your phone down

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Speaker 3: Why why aren't they just putting their phone down? What's

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Speaker 5: Well, I think we all know the answer to that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's an addiction, addictive device, it's designed to

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Speaker 5: the addictive. It's you know, I'm a big advocate of

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Speaker 5: adults being able to make those choices themselves, but for

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Speaker 5: young people, we need to be thinking about age appropriate risk.

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Speaker 3: Would you for the would you go for the sixteen?

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Speaker 3: The band age sixteen like Ossie's doing? Absolutely hies, Melinda,

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Speaker 3: you speak in my language. Wouldn't you just do it tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: If I could, wouldn't you?

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Speaker 5: What I really like about the Prime Minister Australian part

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Speaker 3: That's the point of something like a ban, right, it's

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Speaker 3: And look, here's the thing what we need to understand

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Speaker 3: or fags, right, and if you prepare to limit that.

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Speaker 3: bad news for retailers. A bunch of retailers, including you know,

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Speaker 3: to be more evident next year. Also, and what a

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Speaker 3: bummer not picking a seventy five basis point cut this month?

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Speaker 3: Only fifty basis point cut. I'm not ready for fifty.

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Speaker 3: I want a seventy five from Adrian sixteen past four.

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Speaker 2: Who will take the White House results and analysis of

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Speaker 2: the US election?

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Speaker 1: On Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with One New Zealand Let's

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Speaker 2: Sport with tab get your bed on R eighteen bet responsibly.

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Speaker 3: Jarc Watergrave sports talk hosters.

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Speaker 6: He does and who would have thought it would be

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Speaker 3: he's going to talk about all the banks downgrading our

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Speaker 3: at us with the tariffs. And then you were giving

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Speaker 4: Who would have thought?

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Speaker 3: It's the one Dowsey water Graves Sportso co host seven

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 11: I remember when we were driving.

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Speaker 13: Driving in your car, speed's a faster fell like trumply

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Speaker 3: There is a former school principle and a parent position

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Speaker 14: You would establish large scale staging grounds for remover flight,

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Speaker 3: highway had to close. Group bike rides are all the

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Speaker 3: rage on social media and China at the moment. How

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Speaker 3: wholesome a I How wholesome is that? Just going on

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Speaker 3: a big bike ride? Anyway? Authorities loved it at the start,

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Speaker 3: they thought how wholesome, and then this happened, and now

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Speaker 3: they're clamping down.

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Murray Old's off your correspondents with us, He mus afternoon,

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Speaker 3: do you have a ah, mate? This is a tough

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Speaker 3: one about the kindy. Do we know what happened to

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Speaker 3: the truck? Why was it out of control?

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Speaker 13: Were not one hundred percent sure the driver, sixty eight

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Speaker 13: year old fellow may have had a medical episode at

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Speaker 13: the wheel he's left me.

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Speaker 4: There's no reason for him to leave the road other

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Speaker 4: than that. Manditory tests would have been done by now.

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Speaker 13: We don't know the results of those, but you can

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Speaker 13: only imagine he's had some sort of medical episode and

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Speaker 13: he's left the road. Very big heavy water tanker. It's

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Speaker 13: careered into the grounds. Forty three year old animal' Bryant

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Speaker 13: family's you know the police on the scene say she

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Speaker 13: shoved children out of the way as the truck arrived

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Speaker 13: and saved quite a number of lives.

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Speaker 4: A little three year old boy was heard.

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Speaker 13: But of course Eleanor Bryant, she was forty three years old,

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Speaker 13: her self speech pathologist. She was killed in the truck

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Speaker 13: at her Now the family's paid tribute today. He sounds

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Speaker 13: like a beautiful woman, the light of our lives, they said,

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Speaker 13: a cherished mother, wife, daughter, and sister. We're going to

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Speaker 13: miss you like crazy. So it's just the saddest sadust.

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Speaker 3: Yarn really is. We'll talk about this a little bit

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Speaker 3: more later in the program. Maz tell me about these

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Speaker 3: people that were found on the remote island off the

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Speaker 3: Northern Territory.

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Speaker 13: Well four of them discovered very very remote island about

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Speaker 13: two hundred and fifty kilometers northeast of Darwin Way way

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Speaker 13: out in the Torres Straight, very remote, discovered by traditional

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Speaker 13: landowners on the weekend. Now, these people apparently told the

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Speaker 13: locals that paid money, not sure how much, to come

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Speaker 13: to Australia. They were suffering from exhaustion the effects of

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Speaker 13: a big heat wave that's hitting the Northern Territory. Apparently

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Speaker 13: the speculation that could have been fishermen who dropped them off,

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Speaker 13: because the remains of two sharks and fins at the

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Speaker 13: two sharks with tails and fins removed were found on

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Speaker 13: the east coast of Cape Croker, and these guys were

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Speaker 13: found on Croker Island. So put two of the together,

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Speaker 13: come up with fishermen dropping them off. It looks like

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Speaker 13: the most obvious explanation.

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Speaker 3: How you ever smelt this corpse flower?

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Speaker 4: Oh? God, no, would you want to?

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Speaker 15: Oh?

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Speaker 4: My waite it?

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Speaker 13: It flowers once a decade, and these halfwords are queuing

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Speaker 13: around the block down in Melbourne to stick their beaks inside.

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Speaker 3: Never with do you actually have to put your nose

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Speaker 3: inside it?

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Speaker 4: Well, maybe you can spell it a block away. I

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Speaker 4: don't know.

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Speaker 13: I don't care to know, to be honest, but this flower,

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Speaker 13: of course globally famous for its dreadful smell.

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Speaker 4: There's a big, big crowd.

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Speaker 13: I mean it literally flowers for forty eight hours every decade.

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Speaker 13: So these people have been they've literally been flying into

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Speaker 13: Melbourne to have a sniff. You know, all the people

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Speaker 13: who are in charge of the plants, their solves. It's marvelous.

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Speaker 13: Everyone who's waiting to queue up says the same thing.

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Speaker 13: But I think most normal people will say, you've got

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Speaker 13: to be caddy.

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Speaker 3: I reckon, I do it, muzz, because then you're want

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Speaker 3: no what, because then you could say you've done it,

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Speaker 3: and then and then and then and then relative like,

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Speaker 3: don't you think sometimes you should experience some of the

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Speaker 3: worst things in the world, so after that you're grateful

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Speaker 3: that you don't have to do it again.

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Speaker 13: Well, the guy I play golf every week, that's one

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Speaker 13: of the worst things in the world.

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Speaker 3: I'm muzz, thank you very much. Maril's Ozzie correspond And

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Speaker 3: there's one like that in the in the Wellington Botans.

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Speaker 3: Apparently this is what you call them, the Bowtans. If

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Speaker 3: you call I'm going down to the Burtan, Darling, I'm

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Speaker 3: going down to the Botan. I'm just I live in Calvin.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to pop down to the Botan. So

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Speaker 3: apparently the Wellington Botans have got one of those stinky flowers.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's the corpse flower or

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Speaker 3: what it is, but I've always wanted to smell it.

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Speaker 3: But then I left. I left, and and then and

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Speaker 3: then Tory got in and then I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's not worth it. I won't even go back for

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Speaker 3: the corpse flower as a non Wellington ratepayer. Tory is

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Speaker 3: the kid gift that keeps on giving. It's just a

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Speaker 3: walking punchline. Tories like Donald Trump to me, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to miss it when it's gone because it's a bundle

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Speaker 3: of entertainment and for the most part I don't have

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Speaker 3: to bear the financial brunt of it or like it

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Speaker 3: doesn't affect me in a massive way. There's a little

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Speaker 3: bit like I won't lie, there's a little bit of

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Speaker 3: opportunity cost. You know, I'm sure I would much prefer

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Speaker 3: Simi and Brown was busy doing other things rather than

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Speaker 3: trying to fix toys shambles. And you know, if Trump

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Speaker 3: he does come in with the tariffs, that's going to

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Speaker 3: be a bit of the pain of the butt for us,

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Speaker 3: and we're going to have to suffer a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But for the most part, yeah, you can sort of

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Speaker 3: sit afar and just enjoy it, can't you, except of

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Speaker 3: course for Wellington, in which case we say commiserations to

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Speaker 3: you guys. But then you did elector sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 2: Politics with centric credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Barry so pre senior political correspondence with us. Now, hey Barry,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon.

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Speaker 11: Either of Trumpy wouldn't have talked about Jacinda Dern to

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Speaker 11: Chris Luxon when he's twelve this morning, because look, the

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Speaker 11: first meeting I went to with Jacinda durn overseas, and

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Speaker 11: that was to APEX in Vietnam, not long after she

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Speaker 11: became Prime minister Trump he locked at her and mistaken

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Speaker 11: her for Justin Drudeau's what yees.

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Speaker 3: So it's entirely possible he hasn't realized she was the

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister of New Zealand, which is probably us dodging

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Speaker 3: a bullet with it. Will be honest about it. Hey,

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Speaker 3: grim day in parliament and I am yeah.

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Speaker 11: It was about two hundred survivors were in the public

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Speaker 11: galleries in Parliament watching from above as one of them

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Speaker 11: was disrupted. But that was from Tamaki's party and he's

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Speaker 11: disrupted politicians before. But certainly Chris Lusen was saying sorry

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Speaker 11: a lot, and he was sorry that they weren't believed

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Speaker 11: when they came forward with their complaints. Here's the Prime

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Speaker 11: Minister at the start of his speech today.

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Speaker 16: I stand before you as the representative of not only

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Speaker 16: this government, but of all the governments that have gone

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Speaker 16: before us to a formal and unreserved apology for the

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Speaker 16: abuse that you suffered while in state care, churches and

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Speaker 16: other faith based places. It was horrific, it was heartbreaking,

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Speaker 16: It was wrong and it should never have happened.

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Speaker 1: For many of you.

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Speaker 16: It changed the course of your life and for that

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Speaker 16: the government must take responsibility.

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Speaker 11: So it was a very somber Parliament this afternoon and

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Speaker 11: they rose after they introduced that piece of legislation. The

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Speaker 11: views of abuse and state care over the decades were

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Speaker 11: many and varied from the politicians today. They described the

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Speaker 11: abuse as things that it's so difficult for the young

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Speaker 11: and the vulnerable over the years, and it's not just

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Speaker 11: in recent years. The debate was led off by Erica

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Speaker 11: Stanford from National. It was followed by Labour's Carmel Sepoloni

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Speaker 11: and then by the Greens Chloe Swarbrick order.

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Speaker 17: Some survivors did not live to hear this House state

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Speaker 17: clearly and unequivocally that what happened to them was wrong

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Speaker 17: and admit the failings of the state in turning a

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Speaker 17: blind eye, having an inadequate safeguarding and complaints processes, failing

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Speaker 17: to properly investigate perpetrators of abuse, and in some instances

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Speaker 17: colluding to cover up what happened.

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Speaker 18: As a New.

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Speaker 19: Zealand born Pacific person born and raised in the church,

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Speaker 19: it sickens me to think that the religion that I

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Speaker 19: grew up practicing sat as a front to the most

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Speaker 19: evil practices of abuse against children and vulnerable adults.

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Speaker 20: The system of power and secrets which enabled at least

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Speaker 20: a quarter of a million Maury who had their tamadikin

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Speaker 20: Rangatahi to be abused through decades, was brought to this

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Speaker 20: land and established through colonization and oppression.

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Speaker 3: The abuse in.

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Speaker 20: State care, mister speaker, has filled our prisons and grown

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Speaker 20: gang numbers. That is what the state is responsible for.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: So the views, as I said, there were many and varied.

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Speaker 11: So but it was somber. They rose at four o'clock

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Speaker 11: this afternoon, and no doubt they'll be mixing with the

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Speaker 11: people that gathered in the public galleries today.

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Speaker 3: So the Wellington observer stance tomorrow, doesn't he?

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Speaker 11: Oh, yes he does, Lindsay McKenzie. He was appointed, of

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Speaker 11: course as the observer to sit in. Some would say

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Speaker 11: the Minister's nark at the Wellington City Council. Well Wellington

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Speaker 11: married Tory Farail, aforementioned by you, doesn't believe having an

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Speaker 11: observer will be as dramatic as people think. Certainly, he's

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Speaker 11: there to sort through what is seen as a dysfunctional council.

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Speaker 11: Tory Fannel doesn't see it as a vote of no

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Speaker 11: confidence in her though in her leadership certainly, and says

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Speaker 11: counselors have been getting along better since the government stepped in.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 11: She is on Newstalk ZB with Nick Mills.

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Speaker 21: This Morning'll never be perfect, is what I'd say, and

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Speaker 21: that's due to the personalities that are in the room.

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Speaker 21: You know, when you disagree so fundamentally on things like

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Speaker 21: you know, values, policies and or so forth, it's going

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Speaker 21: to cause tension. It's going to be robust. Will never

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Speaker 21: be best friends. And that's probably something I was naive

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Speaker 21: about when I first started as mayor.

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Speaker 11: That she most certainly was.

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Speaker 3: Do you see she's joining the hequin.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I heard you say that.

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Speaker 11: I think that is just shows that her judgment is

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Speaker 11: what should not be as the mayor of the capital city.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's ridiculous, just continued naivety doesn't start protesting totally. Hey,

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Speaker 3: really quickly run me through this. What's going on with

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Speaker 3: ACT wanting to buy wanting to buy television ads?

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Speaker 11: Well, there's been a report back of the Justice Select

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Speaker 11: Committee inquiry into the election last year and they say

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Speaker 11: that the government should consider whether broadcasting allocation should be

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Speaker 11: moved and the lead up to an election, that's where

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Speaker 11: the taxpayer pays for elections on sorry ads on television

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Speaker 11: and radio. Now certain the actors in favor of that.

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Speaker 11: It's been opposed by Labor and the Greens. Though not

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Speaker 11: surprising considering they were the paupers essentially, although they did

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Speaker 11: raise a bit, but they were the paupers when it

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Speaker 11: came to voluntary donations and that's what ACT are arguing

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Speaker 11: that it should be on voluntary donations are not hampering.

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Speaker 3: Because the Act were loaded at the last election. Right,

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Speaker 3: so the government so was national to right. Barry, thanks

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Speaker 3: very much appreciate a Bary Soper senior political correspondence given

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Speaker 3: away from five putting the.

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Speaker 2: Tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking.

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Speaker 22: Breakfast survivors of abuse and care. Cooper Legal is representing

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Speaker 22: more than sixteen hundred affected clients. Senior Associate lydia Ostahoff

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Speaker 22: is whether it's the people you represent, what's the feeling.

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Speaker 23: So far, We've come a long way, but an apology

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Speaker 23: means nothing if it doesn't come with a meant to change.

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Speaker 22: This is a massive thing. Given an apology is easier

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Speaker 22: to deliver. Is it unrealistic to expect here's a check

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Speaker 22: and here's how.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do it.

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Speaker 22: I mean, this takes time and you want to do it.

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Speaker 4: Right, don't you?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 23: And I think what we've got to realize is the

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Speaker 23: final report was tabled in Parliament in July for the government,

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Speaker 23: and that's a successive government have had the interim read

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Speaker 23: uras report since December twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 22: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 22: the Rain driver of the Lahn News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Happy news, Happy news for me. Apparently there is a

666
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Speaker 3: corpse flower in Auckland in the winter gardens and the

667
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Speaker 3: Auckland Domain how weather. However, it did flower four years

668
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Speaker 3: ago and five years before that. Now, actually that's not

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Speaker 3: a bad thing for me because that means it's maybe

670
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Speaker 3: potentially flowering every five years, unlike the one in Australia

671
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Speaker 3: which only does every ten years, so maybe we're in

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Speaker 3: line for a bit a bit of a sniffeted rotting

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Speaker 3: body next year. Brilliant, let's do it. We've all decided

674
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: here at work we're going to do it together. Now listen,

675
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Speaker 3: this is a weird one. Okay. So there's been a

676
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Speaker 3: malfunction at a car wash and cry church. Normally this

677
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: kind of thing. I wouldn't really bring this to your attention,

678
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: but I think the something up here. So this woman

679
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: goes into the z station, right, and the car wash

680
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Speaker 3: starts and it's a little bit intense, and the brushes

681
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Speaker 3: are heading the car and when it rolls over the

682
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Speaker 3: you know, when the car wash thing goes over the top,

683
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Speaker 3: it starts crushing the roof. That's a bit full noise.

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Speaker 8: Isn't it.

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Speaker 3: That's a little that's a little intense. Then it comes

686
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Speaker 3: back for round two and she's really freaking out because

687
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Speaker 3: now the car's skidding and going all over the shop.

688
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Speaker 3: She's worried it's going to come through the windscreen. She's

689
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Speaker 3: worried for her life, which does sound a little dramatic,

690
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Speaker 3: but I wouldn't want to be hit by one of

691
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: those little things coming at me anyway. Afterwards, she sees

692
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Speaker 3: the extent of what's happened. Parts of her car are

693
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Speaker 3: spread across the floor, spoiler completely ripped off, aerial cover

694
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Speaker 3: and windscreen, wipers bent out of shape, bonnets and roof

695
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: and sides of the car crumpled and scratched like this

696
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: is an intense thing that's just happened to this car

697
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Speaker 3: from what we can tell. No refund yet from Z.

698
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Speaker 3: I mean, what's the dispute. This doesn't feel like feels

699
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Speaker 3: like a slam dunk, like you've got to fix it

700
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Speaker 3: at seven thousand dollars worth of damage. Anyway, Consumer New

701
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: Zealand is going to be with us in half an

702
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: hour's time to well what am I talking about? Twenty

703
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: minutes son to explain what on earth is happening here

704
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Speaker 3: and what the situation is. But a survivor who's had

705
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Speaker 3: the apology today straight after the news, Newstalk zas.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

707
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Speaker 2: get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather Dupless the ELM Drive with One New Zealand. Let's

709
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Speaker 2: get connected and youth talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. It's been a big day for the survivors of

711
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Speaker 3: abuse in state and faith based care. The government has

712
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Speaker 3: finally officially apologized for the horrific abuse that they suffered,

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Speaker 3: but a lot of today's attention's been on the solicitor

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Speaker 3: to Solicitor General uner Jegosi, who also apologized but was

715
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Speaker 3: booed and heckled by survivors, so they want to strip

716
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Speaker 3: from her job. Leonly McEnroe is a Lake Alice survivor

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Speaker 3: who attended the apology today. Haleonekta, how do you feel

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Speaker 3: about that apology?

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Speaker 7: Then?

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Speaker 24: Well, I think for many people, I would hope that

721
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Speaker 24: for many people components of it it helps towards healing

722
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Speaker 24: and the closing of the end of the journey. There

723
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Speaker 24: are some that we're really unhappy, and I guess at

724
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Speaker 24: the end of the day, as the Prime Minister says,

725
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Speaker 24: words are important, but there needs to be accountability and redress.

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Speaker 24: And the fact that that was not actually in alignment

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Speaker 24: with today's apology in words is really disappointing.

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Speaker 3: Who did you go see? The Solicitor General was arguably

729
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Speaker 3: the one who cop the most heat today. Why the

730
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Speaker 3: strength threating towards her?

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Speaker 24: Oh, it's inappropriate that she retained her position as the

732
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Speaker 24: highest example of law in the in the country. She

733
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Speaker 24: has actively been a part of denying, dismissing survivors claims.

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Speaker 24: She has fought vigorously. She is the bully of Crown

735
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Speaker 24: law in the way that she has behaved towards survivors.

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Speaker 24: She has not handed over documents as the flicited General

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Speaker 24: and the police required them. Could have seen doctor Leek's

738
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Speaker 24: charged earlier, but when asked, can't sort of understand the

739
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Speaker 24: reasons why that was never done and in fact laid

740
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Speaker 24: responsibility had a junior Crown lawyer's seat. You know, she's

741
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Speaker 24: completely inappropriate. She needs to stand down. She has caused

742
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Speaker 24: so much continued harm and former by the way that

743
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Speaker 24: she has specifically been involved in survivors claims. Yeah, you know,

744
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Speaker 24: we had laid a complaint against her for under the

745
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Speaker 24: Climes of Torture Act, obstruction of justice and access three

746
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Speaker 24: after the fact. And why she felt that or anyone

747
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Speaker 24: felt it was appropriate for her, with her legacy of

748
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Speaker 24: betrayal to survivors in a very legal, aggressive legal way,

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Speaker 24: to stand in front of survivors and try and speak

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Speaker 24: is the stupidest PR stunt I've ever seen.

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Speaker 7: It was a sin that she was there.

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Speaker 3: All right, Leoni, thank you very much, really appreciate It's

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Speaker 3: Leonie McEnroe, who's a Lake Alie survivor, Heather Alan. So

754
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Speaker 3: Chris Luxon has spoken to Donald Trump on the phone

755
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Speaker 3: for the first time since the US election last week.

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Speaker 3: He says he congratulated Trump on his big winn and

757
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Speaker 3: then they talked about deepening ties between New Zealand and

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Speaker 3: the US. So Don McKinnon is a former Deputy Prime

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Speaker 3: ministan foreim and Sandy's with us. Now, Hey, Don, good evening,

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Speaker 3: how are you well? Thank you? Is this a cove

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Speaker 3: for luxeing to get this phone call or is this

762
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Speaker 3: just what you would expect?

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Speaker 25: Well, I would hope the reasonably expected. After all, we've

764
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Speaker 25: always been pretty good friends with the United States, and

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Speaker 25: obviously there are one hundred and ninety plus prime ministers

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Speaker 25: or presidents wanting to talk to the new president of

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Speaker 25: the United States. So I would say we've been fairly

768
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Speaker 25: high up in the queue, and that's a good sign.

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Speaker 3: Now, I mean the official, the official explanation for what

770
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Speaker 3: they talked about is the deepening of ties between New

771
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Speaker 3: Zealand and the US. And I struggled to buy that

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Speaker 3: given what a wild card Donald Trump is. So what

773
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Speaker 3: do you think they actually talked about.

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Speaker 25: Well, I think Chris Lackson would want to just put

775
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Speaker 25: in front of the president. Look, these are the three

776
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Speaker 25: things that New Zealand is particularly interested in. One's obviously

777
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Speaker 25: going to be traded, second would be security in the

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Speaker 25: Indo Pacific area, and certainly just the overall relationship. Now,

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Speaker 25: on the other hand, mister Trump would have had a

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Speaker 25: piece of paper in front of him which said New

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Speaker 25: Zealand new Prime Minister Chris Lackson suggests you ask him

782
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Speaker 25: about A B and C and so Trump might wanted

783
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Speaker 25: some reformation on the security issues. But look, I'm only guessing.

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Speaker 25: I've seen a number of these conversations at some point

785
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Speaker 25: in my time. They tend to be fairly informally formal.

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Speaker 3: Put it that way, do you reckon that Chris Lackson

787
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Speaker 3: would have gone straight in on the tariffs today?

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Speaker 25: No, I wouldn't think you'd go straight in on tariff.

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Speaker 25: So I think you would highlight the fact that New Zealand,

790
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Speaker 25: as a trading nation, we've always had a good relationship

791
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Speaker 25: with the United States and we would hope it could continue.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant stuff. Hey, thank you very much, Sir Don Mkin

793
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Speaker 3: and former Deputy Prime Minister Foreign Affairs Minister in.

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Speaker 1: The past as well, Heather Duplicy.

795
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Speaker 3: Yes, So that he Quy's going to be hitting Auckland

796
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: to Morrown is going to cause a fair bit of

797
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Speaker 3: disruption by the looks of things. So a couple of

798
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Speaker 3: lanes on the Auckland Harbor Bridge are going to be

799
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Speaker 3: closed and unfortunately during morning rush hour traffic. So and

800
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Speaker 3: there's an exams on at the moment as well, so

801
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Speaker 3: there's there's that as well. To factor in two northbound

802
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: clip on lanes of the Harbor Bridge closed. Protesters will

803
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Speaker 3: be able to walk across in groups of two hundred

804
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: and fifty at a time in one to two minute

805
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: interview intervals. That's for health and safety obviously. And once

806
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 3: they cross the bridge are going to split up, so

807
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Speaker 3: half of them are going to head down down presumably

808
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: down one motorway and half down towards Mission Bay, towards

809
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Speaker 3: Bastian Point. They're going down the motorway because they're going

810
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Speaker 3: to go to Humato, which is near the airport. What's

811
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Speaker 3: happening tomorrow, Coldplay, What's busy tomorrow? The airport people are

812
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Speaker 3: coming to Coldplay. So if you're coming to Coldplay, that's

813
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Speaker 3: not fun. If you're going to write some exams, that's

814
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Speaker 3: not fun. If you're going to work, that's not fun.

815
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Speaker 3: If you're going on public transport, that's not fun. So

816
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Speaker 3: it's just a lot of not fun. In fourteen past five,

817
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Speaker 3: Now here's something pretty special, and in all honesty, it's

818
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Speaker 3: probably going to be one of the most jawl dropping

819
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Speaker 3: Central Otago Pino Noa deals you ever come across, and

820
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Speaker 3: it is available exclusively at the Good Wine Co. Now

821
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Speaker 3: the wine is being sold as the mystery premium Central

822
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 3: Otago Pino Noir twenty twenty and the name of the

823
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 3: Skipston Valley producer has got to be kept under wraps.

824
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 3: But due to tough economic conditions and obviously a slow

825
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Speaker 3: down in export and premium wine cells, they've relabeled and

826
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Speaker 3: they've repackaged stocks of their premium label Pino and Wi

827
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Speaker 3: that sells for much more. So the wine is being

828
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Speaker 3: urgently sold at a crazy price of fifteen ninety nine

829
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Speaker 3: per bottle. Make no mistake, this is Central Otago Pino

830
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Speaker 3: of quality you would never normally dream of picking up

831
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Speaker 3: for fifteen ninety nine one hundred percent Gibson fruit, no finding,

832
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 3: no filtration, twenty percent whole cluster fermentation, eleven months aging

833
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: in twenty five percent expensive New French oak. So, in short,

834
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Speaker 3: what that means is you're getting a lot of peno

835
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Speaker 3: for your money. Here it's a rich, luscious, silky central

836
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Speaker 3: pino that is quite honestly unbelievable buying for fifteen ninety nine,

837
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Speaker 3: and if you order right now, you're going to pay

838
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 3: just a dollar per case delivery to your door anywhere

839
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: in New Zealand. Conditions apply Premium central Otago Pinot for

840
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Speaker 3: fifteen ninety nine, completely mad. Order online right now at

841
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Speaker 3: the good Wine dot Co dot in Zedell call Oh

842
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Speaker 3: eight hundred double six to two, double six.

843
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Speaker 1: To two Ever do for Cee Allen.

844
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Speaker 3: Eighteen past five. So what happens when a car wash

845
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Speaker 3: goes wrong? Eh, It's happened to a woman in christ Shirt.

846
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Speaker 3: She went into the car wash Z car wash. She

847
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: had her spoiler ripped off, the bonnet, the roof, the

848
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: sides of the car crumpled and scratched by the brushes

849
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Speaker 3: because the thing was malfunctioning. Jessica Walker is the acting

850
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: head of Research and Advocacy at Consumer Hello, Jessica, hid

851
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 3: the hell I am? I'm well, thank you? You ever heard

852
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 3: of anything like this happening before?

853
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Speaker 9: Now?

854
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Speaker 26: It's horrifying, isn't it. Getting up to date with the case.

855
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 26: How terrifying for that poor woman. It's made me definitely

856
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 26: put me off going in a car wash. Ever, again,

857
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Speaker 26: they might.

858
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Speaker 3: Be there as well. The weird thing about this is

859
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 3: that this happened. The staff saw that something had happened.

860
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 3: They gave the woman an O one hundred numbers. She

861
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 3: called it three weeks later. Apparently nothing's been done about

862
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 3: it at all. What happens?

863
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Speaker 26: Yeah, yeah, I think that's terrible. I mean, from what

864
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 26: we've heard, it sounds like this could well be a

865
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Speaker 26: breach of the Consumer Guarantees Act. So, you know, when

866
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 26: you're paying for a goods or of service, then it

867
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 26: should be provided with reasonable care and skill. And the

868
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Speaker 26: fact that this woman's car looks like it's been destroyed

869
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Speaker 26: and she was fearing for her life would indicate that

870
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 26: there was definitely not reasonable care and skill executed on

871
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 26: this occasion. And so then there's a couple of problems here. One,

872
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 26: the response that she got when she first went in

873
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 26: to complain about her awful experience, but to the fact

874
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 26: that it's taken so long for her to hear anything.

875
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 26: And you know, is it just because she's been to

876
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 26: the media that she's had a response.

877
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 27: I'd like to think not.

878
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 26: But overall, you know, this is a really really appalling

879
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 26: outcome for the woman.

880
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: You're too right. Hey, did you know that if you're

881
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: in a malfunctioning car wash Jessica, because now I know

882
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: you're freaking out about it, did you know that you're

883
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: supposed to if you need how because you can't get

884
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: out right then you die? No, you're supposed to twitch

885
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: your horn.

886
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 26: Well, I think that's ludicres you know, yes, there's a

887
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 26: sign as you drive in, but can you imagine if

888
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 26: something feels like it's bearing down on you, you can hear

889
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 26: that your car's being bashed about. You're not thinking about well,

890
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 26: I'll just toot my horn and hope.

891
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 3: For the best.

892
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 26: I mean the reports that she thought her life was

893
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 26: flashing before her eyes, And I think you know, if

894
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 26: that's the situation that you're in, you're not thinking about

895
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 26: punking your horn. You're just praying for it to end

896
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 26: so that you hopefully you can.

897
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: Get out of that well too right. Actually, hey Jessica,

898
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: thank you very much. Jessica Walker, acting here of Research

899
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Speaker 3: and Advocacy consuming New Zealand. We were just talking about

900
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: this before producer ends and producer Laura and I and

901
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: I said, why wouldn't you just drive out? Because am

902
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: I remember just been a while since I've been at

903
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 3: a car wash? Because too lazy? But if I remember correctly,

904
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 3: you get those little brushes vertical brushes, you know, like

905
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: they start like a gate keeper. They start like a

906
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: sentry in front of the car, but then they go

907
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: around and they clean the sites and now they're out

908
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 3: of your way. And then you've got something like a boom,

909
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 3: haven't you that that? And it's in front of your windscreen,

910
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: but then it also goes over the top of your

911
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: car clean the roof. Once that Shenanigans is out of

912
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: the way, you could just drive out, can't You're not

913
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: there's nothing else stopping you, So wouldn't you just do that?

914
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 4: I don't know.

915
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 28: We actually did some research here there on the many

916
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 28: different kinds of car wash there are zeal And. It

917
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 28: turns out there are a bunch they might not all

918
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 28: work the same way, right, Like maybe the front ones

919
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 28: go first, and some of them, but the front ones,

920
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 28: you know, go last and some other ones.

921
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: Do you think that that there is no point in time.

922
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 28: Where we've got a free run the goalposting behind the brushes, Yeah.

923
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 3: You just take a chance, Like, come on, if you

924
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 3: feel like you're going to die, you just go for it,

925
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 3: wouldn't you. You just floor it and hit those little sentry

926
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: men the sentry brushes just get out.

927
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 28: Of apparently supposed to hold the horn first here.

928
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: Well, and then you'd be like, now, what are you

929
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 3: going to do about it? Z you don't want to

930
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: give me seven thousand dollars, but now you've got a

931
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 3: broken thing, So Tata and good luck to you. Five

932
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: twenty one.

933
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: The man you trust to get the answers you need

934
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 2: Heather Duple c Allen, driver with one New Zealand.

935
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be heither.

936
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 3: The door comes down in the car wash, you can't

937
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: drive out. Now that's wrong, and I'm going to talk

938
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 3: to you about it in a minute. Bart. That text

939
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: has literally come from somebody called Carmen. Carmen, Carmen, get it, Carl.

940
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 3: It's about car washes anyway, five, twenty four. Listen Murriols.

941
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: Muryoles was on before and he was talking to us

942
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: about I think what is probably the hardest story to

943
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 3: read today, which is the story of the candy teacher

944
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 3: and Victoria who died yesterday afternoon saving the kids from

945
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: the truck that smashed into the candy. Truck driver lost control.

946
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 3: We don't know what happened. Might have been a medical event,

947
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: but whatever the truck plowed into the candy teacher saw

948
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 3: it coming. She rushed over, pushed the kids out of

949
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: the way, and in doing that she couldn't get out

950
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: of the way herself, and so she died. Now, the

951
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: thing is, we don't know why. But the thing is

952
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 3: that there have been complaints about the speed of cars

953
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 3: going past that area, and the speed limit outside that

954
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: kindy was supposed to be dropped from fifty ks to

955
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: forty k's and it hadn't been. And the reason people

956
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: are worried about it is because the stuff is happening.

957
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 7: Right.

958
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago in Melbourne, and suv crashed

959
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: into a primary school and it killed an eleven year

960
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: old boy and four other kids as well. Now, I

961
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: don't love speed reductions if you listen to the show,

962
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: you know just I resist doing stupid things like that

963
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 3: for the sake of it, because all too often speed

964
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: reductions are done in places like open roads that actually

965
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: don't need speeds to be dropped, But when it comes

966
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 3: to places where kids are I've actually done a complete

967
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: one eighty on this. I was telling you I was

968
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 3: reading the book a couple of weeks ago, and a

969
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 3: few weeks ago when I was in Melbourne. The Anxious Generation.

970
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: The book talks about why kids are having mental crises

971
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: at the levels that they are at the moment. One

972
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 3: of the reasons obviously a social media but another one

973
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: of the reasons, and this is particularly true for boys,

974
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 3: is that since the nineteen seventies, parents have increasingly stopped

975
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: their kids from just going outdoor and outdoors and playing

976
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 3: around the neighborhood, you know, just roaming around on their

977
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 3: bikes or rowing around with other kids. And the reason

978
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: that they've stopped them from doing that is because parents

979
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: are scared of traffic and how fast it's going. And

980
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 3: with good reason, right if you think about it, think

981
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: about how fast the cars go in your neighborhood. Is fast?

982
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 3: I live on a thirty k road. No one does

983
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: thirty ks. I don't even do thirty ks. We all

984
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: go way faster than that. Now, the good news in

985
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 3: New Zealand is that because of recent rule changes here,

986
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: all schools in the country are going to have lower

987
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: speed limits during school hours by the end of twenty

988
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 3: twenty seven. But gotta be honest with you, I don't

989
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 3: reckon we should stop there. I reckon we need to

990
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: find a way to slow down traffic around where kids

991
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: live and play. Just across the board. I get that

992
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 3: it's going to drive people absolutely bonkers having to slow

993
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 3: down all the time around parks and houses and schools

994
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 3: and stuff would require us sacrificing our time as adults.

995
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 3: But I think for the benefit of going as fast

996
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: as we do around kids, we are actually sacrificing quite

997
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 3: a lot, which is their best childhoods. And I think

998
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 3: we need to slow down around them, don't.

999
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: You, forgiver do for Sea Ellens.

1000
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 3: The door doesn't come down on the wash, Well, I

1001
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 3: don't know about the specific one, but I just looked

1002
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: at it. I had to watch the video about a

1003
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: z car wash just then, and there are no doors

1004
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 3: on that. And then Laura, the producer went on the

1005
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: New Zealand car wash fandom page, which exists. So you know, yeah,

1006
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: I'm not judging what you do with your life. But

1007
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 3: if that's what you're into, and no hate to them,

1008
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: you could just drive straight out, just drive straight out

1009
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: and if you have to, just take the top of

1010
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: your car by hitting that boom guy. Anyway, Listen, yesterday

1011
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 3: around about this time on the program, I told you

1012
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 3: that Donald Trump is planning to pull out of the

1013
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: Paris Climate Agreement, and not everyone's gonna hate it because

1014
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: the Paris Agreement's not working. We're not actually getting the

1015
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: temperature of the world down fast enough. It's impossible for

1016
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: us to meet the targets, and it's going to cost

1017
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 3: us billions of dollars. Right, here's an example of what's

1018
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 3: going the crazy stuff that's going on to meet this right,

1019
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 3: The Climate Change Commission late last week said, in order

1020
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 3: to meet our obligations under the agreement, we will have

1021
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 3: to have up to fifteen percent fewer dairy cows, up

1022
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: to twenty four percent fewer sheep and beef stock, and

1023
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 3: we have to plant eight hundred and fifty hectares of

1024
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: eight hundred and fifty thousand hectares of trees fed farmers

1025
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: hates it and they're with us next.

1026
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1027
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home.

1028
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 2: Heather Dupleice allan drive with one New Zealand let's get

1029
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 2: connected and you talk as.

1030
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: That'd be right.

1031
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: The Hudle was standing by. We have Mike Monroe, David

1032
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 3: Farrow with us this evening. We're gonna have a chance

1033
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: to at Davidson, who knows his dairy stuff. After six

1034
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: took us through Fontira's plan. Fonterra was just going to

1035
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: do a straight sell of all of those consumer brands

1036
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 3: like Anchor and stuff like that. Now they're talking about

1037
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 3: maybe an IPO. We'll find out what he thinks about

1038
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: that stuff. Hither our local car wash has a door

1039
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: that comes down in green lane. Hither some car washers

1040
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: do have door that close BP whun Hey christ Church

1041
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: for one, et cetera, et cetera. We have to look,

1042
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: we've put a lot of effort into this for UK.

1043
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 3: So what we've done is we've done a Google streets map.

1044
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: Google street map is that what you call it? Yeah,

1045
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 3: you know where you get the little man and then

1046
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 3: you look around the street, gone to the young Linn

1047
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 3: wood Z station. That's the one Linn wood Z car wash.

1048
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 3: Just so you just just to remind you of the

1049
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 3: Linwood car wash owned by z WAW to look around.

1050
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: No doors. But to be fair to the lady at

1051
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 3: the center of the story, you don't always think straight

1052
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 3: in the crisis, do you. So it might seem obvious

1053
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 3: to usks We're like, why didn't you just drive out?

1054
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 3: Yol like it was ripping your car apart? Drive out,

1055
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: But when you're in a crisis, it doesn't feel like

1056
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 3: the obvious thing to do. And anybody who's been in

1057
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 3: a crisis of swords will understand that you you pretty

1058
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: much like your actual rational thoughts is suspended. So what

1059
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 3: you need to do is you need to prepare in advance.

1060
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: This is what all the people say when you got

1061
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: to think about hostile environments and stuff like that. Prepare

1062
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: and advance. So if you're going to go into the

1063
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: Linwoods Zed car wash or any other one that's going

1064
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 3: to rip your car apart, just remember if there aren't

1065
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: any doors, drive out, or beat your horn franctically. Twenty

1066
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: two away from six Heather Dooper now federated Farmers, as

1067
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 3: I was just telling you before, as sounding the alarm

1068
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 3: about some pretty radical suggestions for how we meet a

1069
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: climate target, a new one the Climate Change Commission reckons

1070
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: what we need to do is the following. Get rid

1071
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 3: of up to fifteen percent of our dairy cows, get

1072
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: rid of up to a quarter of our sheep and

1073
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: beef stock, and then just plant a whole bunch of trees.

1074
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 3: Federated Farmers Toby Williams is with us. Now, hey, Toby, hey,

1075
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: here that how many trees are we planting?

1076
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 7: Well, eight hundred and thousand hectears of what their target is,

1077
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 7: which is about five hundred thousand hectears more than what

1078
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 7: they wanted a couple of years ago. So they seem

1079
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 7: to have, you know, been smoking something in the reckon

1080
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 7: and not quite getting their figures right.

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Speaker 3: Because it's a lot of trees. I mean, that is

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Speaker 3: a lot of lot of trees, isn't it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I think if you, if I'm round scared, you could

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Speaker 7: plant all of the gisbone viral region. They're probably all

1086
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 7: of Hawk's Bay. Still need to go and find somewhere else,

1087
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 7: all the part of all the flat everything, all that

1088
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 7: food producing company sounds real doable.

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Speaker 3: And then once we've shot all of the animals, so

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Speaker 3: a quarter of our sheep and beef and fifteen percent

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Speaker 3: of our dairy farm a dairy cows. How poor are

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Speaker 3: we at this stage?

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Speaker 7: I think you know, we're all biggest on the on

1094
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 7: the side of the street. Absolutely ridiculous. And we've just

1095
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 7: been through a winter where people couldn't afford to buy

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00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 7: and his head and beef and lambs we imported Australian stuff.

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00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 7: Everybody's you know, shock and amazing. I mean that's just

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00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 7: if they were to heap of this, they're no one

1099
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 7: in his edit is ever going to be able to

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Speaker 7: buy our dairy, our beef and our lamb. And it's

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Speaker 7: going to be too expensive for them. So we're going

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Speaker 7: to start becoming a net food importer, which is just

1103
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 7: absolute madness.

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Speaker 3: Now, Toby, when you hear stuff like this, I mean,

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00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: this has because it is so wild and and so

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00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 3: it would do so much harm to We'd be doing

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00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: so much harm to ourselves economically. When you hear stuff

1108
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 3: like this, doesn't this just reduce the credibility of something

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00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 3: like the Paris Agreement?

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00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 7: Well, it does. It just shows you what a you

1111
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,959
Speaker 7: know what an absolute minds of and what a croc

1112
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 7: really that it is. You know, we're a very small

1113
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 7: agricultural producing nation. You know, China and India and America

1114
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 7: have more emissions every day than our entire country does.

1115
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 7: Yet we seem to have these people Climate Change Commission

1116
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 7: and some politicians who are I think it's the greatest

1117
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 7: thing in the world that we have to do our

1118
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 7: but we have to sacrifice everything that we have, sacrifice

1119
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 7: our nation, and sacrifice our rural people and our rural

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00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 7: communities just so we can agree to a piece of

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00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 7: paper that was signed in Paris les ago. It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: So I'm getting the feeling that you're the kind of

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00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 3: guy who's not going to have a big cry at

1124
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 3: the fact that Donald Trump is threatening to pull out

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00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 3: of this thing.

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Speaker 7: No, definitely, I don't like Donald Trump, you know, you know,

1127
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 7: I don't think he's time press that I would vote for. However,

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00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 7: he's showing some leadership there. He's standing up to all

1129
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 7: these woite greenies and all the greater tim books in

1130
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 7: this world and saying, you know what, you don't know

1131
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 7: how to run my country. I know how to run

1132
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 7: my country. This is what we're doing, and climate change

1133
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 7: is important. You know, we need to do our bits.

1134
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 7: Panting vast ways of our country and highly flammable weeds

1135
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 7: in terms of a pine tree, isn't the solution for

1136
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 7: NEA to do? When to be look at how do

1137
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 7: we reduce our gross emissions? Not how do we put

1138
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 7: a bandit on it and pretend we've done the world

1139
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 7: of favor by offsetting them with some pine trees.

1140
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Speaker 3: Toby, you can come back on the show anytime you want. Okay,

1141
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 3: Oh thanks you, Yeah, love it, Thank you. Toby Williams,

1142
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: Federated Farmers How Good nineteen away from six The.

1143
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and global

1144
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: exposure like no other.

1145
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 3: Mike Munroe, former chief of Staff, to just send out

1146
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 3: doing David Farraki we blogging curi ouposter with us high lads. O. Mike,

1147
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: was there anything Toby said that you thought? Well, madness,

1148
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 3: absolute madness.

1149
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 29: Yeah, he was getting wee bit carried away. I thought,

1150
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 29: you know, this is a this is a planetary issue.

1151
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 29: It's an existential threat to all of us. And I

1152
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 29: think that you know, while he finds some of this

1153
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 29: report extreme, people have to be told the extent of

1154
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 29: the problem and the risks we all face. You know,

1155
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 29: until we get the public on side with the threat

1156
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 29: that climate change causes, we're not going to change anything.

1157
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 29: And so yes, there will be some extreme rhetoric from

1158
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 29: time to time, but it's sort of necessary to ram

1159
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 29: home the extent of the problem.

1160
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Speaker 3: David, what do you think there was a wee be

1161
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 3: agreed with there?

1162
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Speaker 30: Not most of it, because I think what gets ignored

1163
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 30: is the reality we do like selling our food overseas

1164
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 30: as well as to.

1165
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 27: Us, but if we're not doing our bit, there will

1166
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 27: be protectionist barriers go up.

1167
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 30: People will say, Nope, if you're not doing anything, we're

1168
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 30: not going to buy from you, and that's going to

1169
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 30: hurt the rural sector too. Where I think he is

1170
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 30: right is we can't rely on just planting trees because

1171
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 30: here's the problem. Heather pine trees last for thirty years.

1172
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 30: Carbon and the environment lasts for somewhere between eight hundred

1173
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 30: to two thousand years, and you just can't reduce you know,

1174
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 30: you can't lock them up for two thousand years of land.

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Speaker 27: So we do it.

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Speaker 30: You have a pretty hard conversation about how do we

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Speaker 30: reduce emissions because just planting trees isn't really going to

1178
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 30: be a long term solution those.

1179
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 3: Protection of barriers, David, that you were talking about is

1180
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 3: that in the EU agreement.

1181
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 30: The EU especially has shown that that that.

1182
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 3: And what other agreements are, What other agreements have those

1183
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 3: protectionist barriers.

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00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 30: Well, it's not so much that there's both what governments

1185
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 30: may do, but there's also consumer The.

1186
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 3: Consumer thing is a fallacy, it doesn't happen. So it's

1187
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 3: just the EU agreement. And the EU agreement sucks anyway

1188
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: for our productive sector. So who cares?

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Speaker 30: Yeah, you don't want to be the one country in

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00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 30: the sort of developed world, especially who's not seen to

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00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 30: be pulling your Well.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to be, are we, David, Because the

1193
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 3: US is going to pull out all together, so it's

1194
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 3: gonna be two of us.

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Speaker 27: But well, no, that's true about the US is a

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00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 27: big country. It can't be bated. We can be Yeah,

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Speaker 27: fair enough.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Mike, what do you make of the course for

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Speaker 3: Uni j goo See to lose her job?

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Speaker 29: Well, look, this is a really sad and there's a

1201
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 29: peem here today. It's a horrific issue and it's a

1202
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Speaker 29: heartbreaking issue. Look, I think it's about time that somebody

1203
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 29: in government or at the top of the public sector

1204
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 29: in this country put their hand up intok responsibility for

1205
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 29: an issue like this. We're very good in this country

1206
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 29: at ducking responsibility, and it would it'd be a really

1207
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 29: powerful gesture if Erna actually offered her resignation. Now it

1208
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 29: would come down to the government, to the minister, whether

1209
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 29: or not they accept it, and they accept or reject

1210
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 29: it appropriate, but just the offer of resignation would be

1211
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 29: sort of signed from the highest levels that these issues

1212
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 29: are just appalling and traumatizing and shocking and that something

1213
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 29: is going to change. As I say, we model ourselves

1214
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 29: on the Westminster model style of government, and under that model,

1215
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 29: the buck normally stops with the minister. But it's not

1216
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 29: all part of our culture like it is in the

1217
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 29: UK and elsewhere, and so I think it would be

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00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 29: a gesture if she at least offered to go.

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Speaker 3: All right, David, I want you to take on it.

1220
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Speaker 3: We'll get her and come back from the break at sixteen.

1221
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Speaker 2: Away from six the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International

1222
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Speaker 2: Realty elevate the marketing of your Home.

1223
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Speaker 3: Back of the Huddle, Mike Monroe, David Farrett David. I

1224
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 3: can understand the idea of making somebody accountable like Una Jegosi,

1225
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 3: but the only reservation I have is that she was

1226
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 3: acting in the crownspus interest, which is her job, so

1227
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 3: it seems unfair maybe to make her responsible. And also

1228
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 3: if you go for a quick fix like that, you

1229
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 3: get satisfied walk away and don't actually fix the actual problem. Potentially,

1230
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Speaker 3: what do you think I.

1231
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 27: Need to both defend and condemn her?

1232
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Speaker 30: Are you the thing that she shouldn't resign over this

1233
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 30: because she wasn't just that his chief at Z of

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00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 30: Gunment Agency, but she's.

1235
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Speaker 27: The lawyer for the government. Her job was to do

1236
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 27: what the clients say. Don't blame the lawyer, you need

1237
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 27: to blame the people who instructed the lawyer. So in

1238
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 27: that regard, I don't think she should reside.

1239
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Speaker 30: I don't think she should reside for her prosecution guidelines terrible.

1240
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I can agree with you on that, but that.

1241
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Speaker 27: Once for you is responsible for she wrote them. They're

1242
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 27: awful taken back. But no, on this one, I think

1243
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 27: you have to.

1244
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 30: Be careful about leaking the clients escape responsive for the law,

1245
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 30: the why the public service, the ones who actually ran

1246
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 30: the institutions. That's where I think you want to see

1247
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 30: more of their accountability.

1248
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't you think, Mike, doesn't that make sense? I

1249
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 3: mean you need to go after the people who are

1250
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 3: actually responsible for this.

1251
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1252
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 29: True, But it's the people at the top her ultimately responsible,

1253
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 29: isn't it. You know, I'm an important thing here is

1254
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 29: like David says, it's about redress and doing something about it.

1255
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 29: But sometimes in politics, you know, gestures are important, and

1256
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 29: there's people here who feel really aggrieved that you know

1257
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 29: that Juggo's aggressively through everything at legal challenges to try

1258
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 29: and shut them up, and at the end, she is

1259
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 29: at the top of the tree and she's responsible. So

1260
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 29: that's that's why I maintained that, you know, we have

1261
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 29: to demonstrate to those survivors that we have heard them

1262
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 29: and we take this pretty seriously. And a resignation is

1263
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 29: offered and it'll probably be declined by Collins and that's fine,

1264
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 29: but performance of offerings important.

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01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Listen, David, I am coming around, especially after the

1266
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 3: story about the truck and the KINDI and the stuff

1267
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: that's gone on with eleven year old killed at a

1268
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 3: school with cars going to fuss and stuff I'm coming

1269
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 3: around to the idea of dropping the speed limits around kids,

1270
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: even if it inconveniences us A wee bit. Am I

1271
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 3: going mad?

1272
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 30: You're not getting mad, But depends what you mean by

1273
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 30: around kids around schools. Absolutely, But if you're saying every

1274
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 30: residential road in New Zealand must be down to a

1275
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 30: three y k's, then I think you are gain about mad.

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Speaker 27: I think at the end, you know it has to

1277
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 27: be what suitable.

1278
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Speaker 3: But how do we make our neighborhood safe? David? How

1279
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 3: do we You've got little kids, how do you make

1280
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 3: them safe so that you feel comfortable about sending the

1281
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 3: dudes out on their bikes.

1282
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 30: Well, actually it's more about the quality of the road

1283
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 30: than about the speed they go at either, do you

1284
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 30: hear your fifty k's?

1285
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 27: There is danger there. So I think it's actually comes

1286
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 27: back to what's appropriate for that road. The thing is

1287
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 27: a lot most residential roads do you seek is.

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01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 30: Fine, but they're feeder roads and they're the roads that

1289
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 30: get everyone into the main highways, et cetera. Then you're

1290
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 30: going to have real congestion effects from that. So some

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01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 30: suburban roads, absolutely all of them.

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01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 3: Know, Mike, what do you think?

1293
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 29: I tend to agree that this is This is not

1295
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 29: one of those areas where you know, one one size

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01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,439
Speaker 29: fit's all, one roll fit's all. It's got to come

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01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 29: down to the sort of built up nature of the area,

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01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 29: the quality of the road around schools cleanly.

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Speaker 15: It's important.

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01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 29: But you know all the data and all the science shows.

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01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 3: Sorry, Mike, are you doing the dishes?

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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 27: I am cooking dinner because I.

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01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 30: Has COVID, so I've got the kids, so I am

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01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 30: actually cooking around They.

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01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 15: All mumity tasking.

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01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 27: Is fine, cheriso and pumpkin risotto.

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Speaker 3: How old are they?

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01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: How old are the kids?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 27: Not the tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow.

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01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 3: That is impressive. There is that, Mike. That is a

1313
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 3: good palette for a five year old, isn't it.

1314
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 29: I'm very impressed. Yeah, I've got I've got I've got

1315
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 29: grandkids and they're only very little. But yeah, you're setting

1316
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 29: a high standard for the for me, for the future there.

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01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, geez, I got to tell you what. I tried

1318
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 3: to snick a carbonara in the in the dude the

1319
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 3: other day and he flat out he said to me,

1320
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Speaker 3: I don't like it. I like bolanaise.

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01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 29: So they all loved the younger one.

1322
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 30: We did take to a buffet dinner the other day,

1323
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 30: and you know you've got fifty dishes to choose from,

1324
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 30: you had twelve bread rolls.

1325
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 3: And the people, the people charging you for that, were like,

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01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: this is the best deal ever. Yes, bread guys, listen,

1327
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Speaker 3: thank you as always really appreciated the pair of you.

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01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 3: That's Mike Monroe and David farre a huddle this evening,

1329
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 3: eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: Red or Blue, Trump or Harris? Who will win the

1331
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: battleground states.

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Speaker 2: The latest on the US election is Heather Duplicy Alan

1333
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected these talks.

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Speaker 1: It'd be.

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Speaker 9: Heather.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to tell you this, but I'm going to

1337
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 3: be around to fit you for your special white jacket shortly,

1338
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 3: because slowing cars down around schools is a great idea

1339
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 3: when there are kids coming to and from school to

1340
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 3: somewhere else, but not at eleven at night or the

1341
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 3: other insane hour. Is that reducing the speed limit to

1342
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 3: thirty around schools? Twenty four by seven introducers. Sadly lots

1343
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 3: of people seem to need the special white jacket. I'm

1344
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 3: with you on there. I like the variable speed limits.

1345
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 3: I like the variable speed limits where you know, you

1346
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 3: only slow down the cars at the times of night

1347
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 3: that you need to and stuff like that, especially when

1348
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 3: you've got you know, like out in the back of

1349
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 3: Pocoe or Pirata. That new school, I don't know if

1350
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 3: you've seen it, synt ignacious, the New Catholic School. Well,

1351
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 3: I mean that's just on like a bloody like dirt road,

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01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 3: isn't it. What's not really a do it road? Is

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01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 3: this just a back road though, isn't it? And there's

1354
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 3: no point you need you to Why would you be

1355
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 3: going thirty there all of the time. It's fine just

1356
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 3: around school hour. So I'm with you on that. I

1357
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 3: don't know, I'm gonna have to think about this. I'm

1358
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 3: gonna have to think about this. So I do think

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01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 3: we need to slow the cars down. We need to

1360
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 3: get the kids out on their bikes and stuff. Anyway, listen,

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Speaker 3: A and Z. It's not every day that I give

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01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 3: props to a bank, but I'm gonna give props to

1363
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 3: A and Z because it appears that they are the

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01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 3: only of the big Australian owned banks that has some

1365
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 3: decency and common sense around the climate thing. You will

1366
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 3: recall we've been talking about it Westpac, BNZ and ASB

1367
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 3: have all set these reduct these targets for how they

1368
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 3: need they really the banks really need, really need the

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Speaker 3: dairy farmers in this country to reduce their emissions because

1370
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Speaker 3: that's what the banks are into now. So they have

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Speaker 3: decided the banks have to reduce the emissions and not ASP. Sorry, Westpacer,

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01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 3: B and Z both are going harder on our local

1373
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 3: dairy farmers. So the key we dairy farmers have to

1374
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 3: go harder on the emissions than the Australian dairy farmers,

1375
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 3: because that's fair, isn't it. Anyway, A and Z props

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01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 3: to you.

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Speaker 7: A and Z.

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01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 3: They were like, nah, we're not going to do it.

1379
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 3: We're just not gonna do this. Reason is at the

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01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 3: moment we're not setting a dairy target because we don't

1381
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 3: see the pathway clearly for our dairy customers to reducing emissions,

1382
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 3: which is basically to say, we can't see how they're

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01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 3: going to do it, so we're not going to introduce

1384
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 3: the target. So there's a bit of climate madness that

1385
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 3: we managed to avoid it. Fortunately, thank god, farm Mack

1386
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 3: is in Farmack's and Farming's gonna cop it tomorrow morning

1387
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 3: on some radio stations. I think FARMAK has killed its

1388
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 3: Marori Advisory group, so they had I don't know when

1389
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 3: this lot was set up, but a group was set

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Speaker 3: up to advise FARMAC on how to do the right

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Speaker 3: thing by Mary. Specifically because Farmak went down that path

1392
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 3: you might recall, they decided to pull a Bennett. The

1393
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 3: chairs put out a statement said now they've got rid

1394
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 3: of this. Now they don't need the Mary Advisory Group.

1395
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 3: They've got a bunch of arrangements in place already. They've

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Speaker 3: got the four old Swayze's one, the trotting cop is

1397
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 3: there two years in a row now in christ Church.

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Speaker 3: Well done anyway, they've got the four Marty Health professional bodies,

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Speaker 3: they've got EWE Marty Partnership Boards. They've got a Mary

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Speaker 3: Health Advisory Committee with inside the Ministry of Health. So

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01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 3: they're getting heaps of advice already. Don't need the special lot.

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01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 3: Misory Board coach here not happy about this because this

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01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 3: was a dedicated service with the others not dedicated to Farmac. Also,

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01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 3: their other job is being forgotten about here, which is

1405
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 3: that they meet with MARDI staff at Farmac and there

1406
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 3: aren't many of them, and they say We're just concerned

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01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 3: from a cultural safety perspective in terms of who will

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01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 3: be looking out for them. So anyway, watch they're going

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Speaker 3: to get in trouble for doing that. Next up, Stuart Davison,

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Speaker 3: Dairy Insights consultant on Fonterra's plans to maybe not go

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01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 3: for a straight trade sale on the old Anchor and

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01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 3: all the other brands and consumer brands, but go for

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Speaker 3: an IPO. Get us taken on it shortly, News dogs

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Speaker 3: there be.

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Speaker 2: We're business and meets Insight the Business Hour. We're the

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Speaker 2: head of Duplessy Allen and my Hr on news talks

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01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 2: at b.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, Retail New

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01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 3: Zealand is going to talk us through whether this is

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Speaker 3: going to be a bummer or a bumper Christmas sale

1421
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 3: this year. They're with us after half bus six. Brad

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01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 3: Olsen on with Trump's really going to do the tariffs also,

1423
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 3: Jamie McKay and and de Brady. It's coming up eight

1424
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 3: past six now. It turns out instead of a straight

1425
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 3: trade sale, Fontira is now considering an IPO to sell

1426
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 3: off its consumer brands. We're talking the likes of Anchor, Mainland,

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01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 3: Carpety and so on Fonterra's has had significant interest in

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01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 3: buying these brand Stewart Davison Izidaari Insights consultant Haste Stuart, Hi,

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01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. Listen, before we even get

1430
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 3: into like the machinations of this thing, good idea to

1431
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 3: get rid of the consumer brands, do you think?

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01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 15: Yeah?

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01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 31: I think it is from the strategy that the Fonterra

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01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 31: team is presented to sharehold.

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01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 15: Does it kind of make sense?

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Speaker 31: You know, they want to simplify the core business of Fontira,

1437
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 31: which is proceeds and newtel Milk, into ingredients and food

1438
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 31: service goods, which they do really good, really well. And

1439
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 31: you know palm Off will hand off the more complex,

1440
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 31: fast moving consumer goods business that is the consumer arm

1441
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 31: of Fontira.

1442
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 3: Right because they don't have to know how to really

1443
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 3: leverage these brands properly. But is it that complicated?

1444
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 31: Stewart, Well, I think, you know, we zoom out a

1445
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 31: little bit and look at the size and scale of

1446
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,959
Speaker 31: Fonterira globally. You know they've got the hands reasonably filled

1447
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 31: with the ingredients and food service part. You know, to

1448
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 31: put a perspective, it's news's biggest business, full stop. And

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01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 31: then you know, zoom a little bit further. It's got

1450
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 31: all the markets across the world, it's got offices everywhere,

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01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 31: and that's just the ingredients.

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01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 15: Could you keep that portional scale going.

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01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 31: So there's a lot going on, and I think they've

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01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 31: admitted to you know, they've got too many balls in

1455
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 31: the air to really give the consumer side a good

1456
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 31: going going at and so you know, parming off to

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01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 31: someone else to really put some effort into it and

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01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 31: focus on makes a.

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01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 15: Lot of sense.

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01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 3: Why would they consider instead of a straight trade sale,

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01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 3: which I think we all assume they would do, why

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01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 3: would they consider.

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01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 14: An I P O.

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01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 31: Well that's a really good question. Actually it's kind of

1465
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 31: a bit of an exciting option for the market too.

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01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,480
Speaker 31: So you know, taking it from farmer owned.

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Speaker 15: Cooperative consumer business to then.

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01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 31: Offering up to the IPO market and putting it back

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01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 31: on the listed market, it's pretty exciting, you know for

1470
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 31: those farmers that you know complained when this option came

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01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 31: up or the management thought about it, and now they

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01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 31: can actually have a they can never stab at only

1473
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 31: this business as well.

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01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 15: You know, those farmers can when they get their capital.

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01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 31: Return container around and go and buy some of this

1476
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 31: IPO if it gets listed, and then for everyone house

1477
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Speaker 31: in New Zealand, for example, they can have a share

1478
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 31: of this business if it meets their requirements.

1479
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 15: And then also you know, for institutional.

1480
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 31: Vestors as well, to get a bit of an exposure

1481
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 31: to the world of theory consumer goods. It's it's quite

1482
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 31: an exciting opportunity if it's presented well, it could be

1483
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 31: quite a good opportunity.

1484
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 3: But Stuart, am I reading this wrong. In my head,

1485
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 3: an IPO means Fonterra retains some ownership of it.

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01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 31: Yeah, Camp, Yeah, there's definitely a portion that Fonterra could

1487
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 31: keep fifty one percent or forty percent.

1488
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 15: You know, you roll the dice and pick a number.

1489
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 15: But the end of the day, they can.

1490
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 31: Also know IPO hold for the whole period and then

1491
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 31: slowly eat their way out of it too. So at

1492
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 31: that point, you know, once we get over that whole period,

1493
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 31: which is all all determined by the exchange and the

1494
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 31: company and ownership and the investment bank that underwrites it,

1495
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 31: you know, that can all.

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01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 15: Be figured out in future in due course. But Voluntier

1497
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 15: might want to keep control of the two considering you know.

1498
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 31: What they've told us that there's going to be supply

1499
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 31: agreements in the background with whatever they do in the

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01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,839
Speaker 31: consumer business space to make sure that that milk produced

1501
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 31: by New Zealand farmers continues to find those brands.

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01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 3: I see they've also decided to retain. They were going

1503
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 3: to sell, but they're not going to anymore. A very

1504
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: small China consumer business and then also a Saudi manufacturing factory. Why.

1505
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 15: Yeah, Well, these are questions I don't have the exact

1506
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 15: answer for, but I mean those are very important markets

1507
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 15: for them for both.

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01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 31: So I mentioned they're probably small enough or have some

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01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 31: value to the ingredients space or the food service space,

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Speaker 31: you know, to complement the existing businesses there, or that

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Speaker 31: the businesses they look to retain going forward.

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Speaker 3: Stuart, thanks for the insights. Appreciated that. Stuart Davison, Dairy

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Speaker 3: Insights Consultants. Do you remember, just just taking you back

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Speaker 3: into the gas crisis that we had in winter? Do

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01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 3: you remember when Methodics shut down its operations and it's

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01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 3: sold gas to Contact and Genesis so we could keep

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01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 3: the lights on, And then we were asking Contact and

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Speaker 3: Genesis and the government how much did they paying them?

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Speaker 3: Shadied want to talk about it? Well, we do now

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01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 3: have a fair idea potentially, because method X has released

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01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 3: the financial report for the three months to September and

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01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 3: revealed that in that period when they had the shutdown

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01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 3: of the methinex plants, they got paid seventy five million

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01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 3: or thereabouts New Zealand dollars. Now, some back of the

1525
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 3: envelope calculations have been done by the guys at Business

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01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 3: Desk can know how all this stuff works, and they

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01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 3: reckon that that implies a price of eleven dollars twenty

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01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 3: two a giga duel of gas. Now that's actually a

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01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 3: bargain for Contact and Genesis if you look at it

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Speaker 3: one way, because at the time, the spot gas prices

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Speaker 3: were trading as high as fifty bucks a giga jewel.

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Speaker 3: So if you can get something that's going for fifty

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01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 3: bucks on the open market for only eleven bucks, you're

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01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 3: doing pretty well, aren't you. And also, at the same

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01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 3: time bargain for methinex because gas prices normal times like

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01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 3: now on the spot market are seven bucks, right, so

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01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 3: they're selling it for eleven bucks, so they make it

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01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 3: okay on that and they would have bought it way

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01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 3: cheaper than what you're paying on the spot market because

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01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 3: they buy bulk and they buy it ahead of time,

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01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 3: so they would have made it absolute blinking killing on it. Anyway.

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01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 3: The problem, though later on we find out for Genesis

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01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 3: and Contact was not long after they made this deal,

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01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 3: desperate to keep the lights on, there was a lot

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01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 3: of rain, and so the Methadex deal basically, very temporarily

1546
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 3: is the gas shortage, because all of a sudden we

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01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 3: didn't actually need all that much gas anymore. We had

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01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 3: heaps of hydro. So that didn't work out that well

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Speaker 3: for them, but at the time seemed like a good one.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 2: Analysis from the experts, bringing you everything you need to

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01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 2: know on the US election. It's The Business Hour with

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01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy, Allen and my Ehr Solution for busy SMEs used.

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Speaker 1: Talks, it'd be.

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Speaker 17: Um.

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Speaker 8: You know what.

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Speaker 3: I loved that Toby Williams interview from Federated Farmers so

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01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 3: much just before that. I think we're gonna have a

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Speaker 3: little chet to Jermy McKay about it. Has he listened

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Speaker 3: to it?

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Speaker 5: Laura?

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Speaker 3: Can you tell him to No's he heard it live?

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01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 3: Didn't he is? He's a listener? Okay, you're Jamie MacKaye

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Speaker 3: standing by ready to talk to us about that very shortly,

1565
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 3: so standby as well please. Sixteen past six Now economists

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Speaker 3: are warning that we may have to downgrade our economic

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01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 3: outlook as a result of Donald Trump's election because analysts

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Speaker 3: from BMI, which is part of Pitch reckon, we're going

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01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 3: to lose ten percent of growth two percent growth down

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Speaker 3: to one point eight percent next year. Brad Olson is

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Speaker 3: in for Metrics principal economis and with us Now. Hello Brad, Hello,

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Speaker 3: nice to have you in the studio. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: coming in.

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Speaker 25: Brad.

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Speaker 3: Is this based entirely on the prospect of him doing

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Speaker 3: the tariffs?

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Speaker 12: I don't think it's just the tariffs. The tariffs do

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01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 12: make a bigger part, and certainly longer term. I think

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01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,560
Speaker 12: we're almost more worrying because if the US puts on

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01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 12: a tariffs, doesn't buy as much overseas, there's not as

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01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 12: much need for overseas to produce stuff. Therefore there's not

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01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 12: as many manufacturing jobs overseas, and they don't have money

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Speaker 12: that they then spend on our stuff. But I think

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Speaker 12: also importantly, if Trump then comes through with some of

1585
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 12: the tax cuts in that that he wants to bring through.

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01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 12: Most expectations from US economists is that that would be inflationary. Therefore,

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01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 12: next year there's not as much need for the Federal

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01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 12: Reserve to cut interest rates back, so there's not as

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01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 12: much economic growth coming forward if that's the case, if

1590
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 12: interest rates have to stay higher. So I think it's

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01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 12: a combination of the tariffs, but also of his other

1592
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 12: economic policies that would almost drive too much short term

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01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 12: economic growth in the US, which would cause an inflation

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01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 12: to be higher, and then interest rates.

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Speaker 3: And then how much of it also, I mean, because

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01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 3: he's really he I mean, he is intending to make

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01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 3: life very difficult for China. Right, How much of this

1598
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 3: is squeezing China's economy, which we're reliant on.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean that's a big enough part of it,

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Speaker 12: particularly when the Chinese economy is not doing great to

1601
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 12: start with, right. But I think also interesting, I mean,

1602
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 12: the question for me is how quickly does this come through?

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01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 12: And it's been fascinating the last day or so looking

1604
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 12: at some of Trump's cabinet picks. He's picked, you know,

1605
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 12: the head of the EPA, He's picked someone to run

1606
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 12: the border, He's picked by the likely buz. Sounds that

1607
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 12: are secretary of State, no Treasury secretary yet or anything

1608
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 12: like that. So I do sort of wonder if he's

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01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 12: made it a bit clearer. He wants to do stuff

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01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 12: around environmental regulation, he wants to change border settings and

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01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 12: what have you. He doesn't seem like he wants to

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01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 12: go gung ho. You know, first minute of his presidency

1613
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 12: will be tariff. So this might be a slightly more

1614
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 12: delayed impact coming through on the economy. It might not

1615
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 12: hit day one.

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Speaker 3: I do not believe he's going to do the tariffs.

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01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 3: I just I think the reason being that he says

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01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff that is designed like any deal waker, right,

1619
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 3: you say a lot of stuff up front, you freak

1620
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 3: people out, and then you soften your position and then

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01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 3: you strike the deal. And I just wonder if the

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01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 3: tariffs are that. And I think because I think that

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01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 3: when he thinks it through and realizes, as has been

1624
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 3: pointed out to me, how much of our stuff go

1625
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 3: as componentry goes into other things, and what the impact

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01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 3: that that's going to have, I don't think it's going

1627
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 3: to be a good idea for him.

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01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 12: Well, but this is the challenge, right, does he believe

1629
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 12: that he's going to do it. No one's got that

1630
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 12: certainty either way, because I guess the other risk is

1631
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 12: that he sort of doesn't do it immediately, everyone drops

1632
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 12: their guard and then all of a sudden, bang he

1633
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,640
Speaker 12: puts twenty percent tariffs on and so that unexpectedness I

1634
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 12: think is causing a little bit maybe not volatility, just

1635
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 12: everyone's questioning at all. And I think also he's been

1636
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 12: pretty clear as an incoming president he wants more manufacturing

1637
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 12: in the US, and tariffs would do that to a degree.

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01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 12: It would still cost the economy overall, but if he

1639
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 12: does want to get some of those blue collar, you know,

1640
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 12: manufacturing jobs back, and that could be a way to

1641
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Speaker 12: do it.

1642
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 3: Bred We're going to talk to retail New Zealand in

1643
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 3: about well maybe like fifteen minutes or thereabout. It's about

1644
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 3: what they're expecting for the upcoming Christmas season because the

1645
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 3: credit can't spending was pretty flat last month.

1646
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 12: What do you reckon, Well, we got a new card

1647
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 12: spending today which actually so sort of a continued flattening off,

1648
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,560
Speaker 12: maybe a little bit of a boost coming through in

1649
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 12: the seasonally adjusted numbers. It's not enough to sort of

1650
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 12: call this a Christmas bonanza yet, but maybe some slightly

1651
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 12: better news, those interest rates staying to have an impact.

1652
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 12: I think the thing we'll all be waiting for is

1653
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 12: those Black Friday sales that come through some of the

1654
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 12: cyber Monday stuff like are people spending or not? Because

1655
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 12: I keep hearing people that sort of say, if the

1656
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 12: special isn't good enough, if there's not enough deals going around,

1657
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 12: I'm still not buying. So maybe some early signs, but

1658
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 12: I don't think it's enough to make for a great Christmas.

1659
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't look like it. So have you done

1660
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 3: that thing that everybody does where you can bin and

1661
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 3: work with a Coldplay concert?

1662
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 12: I very much have. I am happy. I've got some

1663
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 12: work meetings in the next couple of days, but I've

1664
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 12: also got an appointment with Coldplay tomorrow night with you

1665
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 12: and a few other people by the ound.

1666
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to be there. We're going to be

1667
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 3: raging out together, aren't we.

1668
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 12: It's going to be good.

1669
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 3: You've a big Coldplay fan or what I am?

1670
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 12: I mean fix you as my go to I'm not

1671
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 12: the most upbeat song in my life, but maybe that

1672
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 12: fits with the dismal science of economics that you know,

1673
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 12: a little bit downbeat. Every now and then, but I

1674
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 12: will try and fix you with the economics overall.

1675
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, why don't we get Adrian to

1676
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 3: listen to fix you instead of what he's trying to

1677
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 3: do to the economy.

1678
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 12: I think that a sky full of stars might be

1679
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 12: more apped at points.

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01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 3: Oh jeez, is there a song about trees? Because I

1681
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 3: don't believe it does identify as one of them.

1682
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 12: The scientist's clocks and otherwise, but yeah, I'm not sure

1683
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 12: about trees.

1684
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 3: Jeez, Hey, enjoy the concert and thanks for coming and

1685
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 3: really appreciate it. That is Brad Olsen Informetric's principal economists.

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01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 3: It's twenty one perst six.

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01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: The Rural Report on heather do for see allan drive

1688
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: all right.

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01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 3: Six twenty three. So this was Toby Confederated Farmers talking

1690
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 3: about the Climate Change Commission's plans for how we're going

1691
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 3: to meet our climate targets, new ones that are coming

1692
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 3: at us, including fifteen percent We've got to go out

1693
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 3: and shoot fifteen percent of the dairy couse, twenty four

1694
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 3: percent of the sheep and beef, and we need to

1695
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 3: plant a whole bunch of a whole bunch of trees.

1696
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 3: Apparently enough trees to cover all of Gisbon and all

1697
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 3: of Hawk's Bay, and then we're still looking for more land.

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01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 7: Absolutely ridiculous. And we've just been through a winter where

1699
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 7: people couldn't afford to buy and his head and beef

1700
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 7: and lambs. We apported Australian stuff, So everybody's you know,

1701
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 7: shocking amazing. I mean that's just if they're ware to

1702
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 7: heap with this, they're no one in his eddit is

1703
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 7: ever going to be able to buy our dairy, our

1704
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:26,719
Speaker 7: beef and our lamb is going to be too expensive

1705
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 7: for them. So we're going to start becoming a net

1706
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 7: food importer, which is just absolute madness.

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01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 3: Jamie mckaye Hosts of the Countries with Us.

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01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 32: Hello Jamie, Hello, Heather Thoughts, Well come with Toby. To

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01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 32: be perfectly honest, those numbers are a bit are a

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01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,759
Speaker 32: bit of an eye opener, aren't they? Twelve to fifteen

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01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 32: percent fewer dairy couse. Just remember New Zealand, if you're

1712
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 32: listening to this, what's going to get us out of

1713
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 32: the economic hole? It's probably a nine dollars fifty or

1714
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 32: a ten dollar payout. So the last thing we want

1715
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 32: to do, and I want to be environmentally friendly about

1716
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 32: this too.

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01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 7: Head.

1718
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 32: The last thing we want to do is a nation

1719
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,799
Speaker 32: has reduced our dairy heard I would think by fifteen percent,

1720
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 32: not to mention eighteen to twenty four percent for sheep

1721
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 32: and beef soock, and they'll be the real losers from

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01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 32: this suggestion. I know that Toby Williams is very, very

1723
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 32: passionate about protecting some of that rolling hill country land.

1724
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 4: Look, it's an.

1725
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 32: Absolute shame that some of it is going to trees.

1726
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 32: And I'm not against trees, but at the moment, aid

1727
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 32: is the carbon credits. But b there isn't a great

1728
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 32: return for logs at the moment.

1729
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 4: And once we.

1730
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 32: Plant this and trees heather, it takes a lot of undoing.

1731
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 32: You're talking about a thirty year cycle from planting to harvest.

1732
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 32: And even then you just can't go and plant grass

1733
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 32: after pine trees have been there for thirty years. The

1734
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 32: pine needles are very acidic, and you have to do

1735
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,560
Speaker 32: a whole lot of things to soil without complicating it

1736
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:56,879
Speaker 32: before you can move that back to pasture.

1737
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1738
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 3: Well, here is hoping that some common sense prevails in

1739
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 3: this a particular part of the world. But on common sense,

1740
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 3: how about a and Z being the one bank that's

1741
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:06,839
Speaker 3: not going to introduce the climate targets.

1742
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 32: I'm very pleased about that. And the reason I'm pleased

1743
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 32: and I think whoitness has taken over here because it's Westpac,

1744
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 32: B and Z ASB and my mates at Rabobank have

1745
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 32: all set twenty thirty reduction targets. I think they should

1746
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,560
Speaker 32: be butting right out of it. And A and Z, interestingly,

1747
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 32: Heather and it was good to hear their chief executive

1748
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 32: Antonia Watson, come out and save this. They have the

1749
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 32: biggest rural portfolio of all the banks because back in

1750
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 32: the day, A and Z combined with the National Bank,

1751
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 32: and if you go back one step further, they took

1752
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 32: over the Rural Bank, which had the biggest rural portfolio.

1753
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 32: So you know Antonia Watson saying, at the moment, we're

1754
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 32: not setting a dairy target, and the reason is that

1755
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 32: we don't see a pathway clearly for our dairy customers

1756
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 32: to reducing emissions. We're waiting on new technology, we're waiting

1757
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 32: on new science, We're waiting for all these solutions. In

1758
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 32: my humble opinion, and I said this to Todd Charteris,

1759
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 32: chief executive of Ravo Bank on my show on Monday.

1760
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 32: I think the banks have gone woke. They need to

1761
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 32: butt out of this. This is a government decision, not

1762
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 32: a bank decision. And if the processes want to put

1763
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 32: on a levy at process at the processor level, let

1764
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 32: them do that. But if I want to change farmer behavior,

1765
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 32: and I'm bloody banging on a I'm repeating myself and horrifically,

1766
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 32: just give the farmers a premium for zero carbon or

1767
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 32: reduced carbon produce and they will change they're farming practice

1768
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 32: to suit. It's a really simple equation, it.

1769
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 3: Really is, Jamie, thank you very much. Enjoy your evening

1770
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 3: as Jamie McKay host to the Country Heather. I am

1771
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 3: with Toby and Jamie. Climate commissioner idiots what the Climate

1772
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 3: commission is a very clever man. But the Climate Commissioner, unfortunately,

1773
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 3: I think, strikes me as somebody who's a single issue zalot.

1774
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 3: And if you're a single issue zalot, like if you

1775
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 3: are obsessed with just this one thing, you don't really

1776
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 3: care about the unintended consequences of it, you have got

1777
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 3: to have more going on, do you know what I mean?

1778
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 3: You've got to have a little bit more in your repertoire.

1779
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 3: It's a French word. We're only pronouncing it in English now,

1780
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 3: aren't we remember that? Remember that last night. I'm going

1781
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 3: to regret that. I'm going to tell you why. I'm

1782
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 3: going to regret that very shortly. Stand by for that

1783
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 3: and then also Retail New Zealand YEP headlines.

1784
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 2: Next, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business

1785
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 2: Hour with Heather Dupless and my HR the HR solution

1786
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 2: for busy SMEs on news talksb You know, y'all.

1787
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 3: Get to the French pronunciation just to take end of

1788
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 3: Brady's going to be with us shortly as well. Heather,

1789
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,759
Speaker 3: you are showing how much you underestimate how ignorant Donald

1790
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 3: Trump is. This is basically my argument that I don't

1791
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 3: believe that he's going to do the tariffs. This is fair,

1792
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 3: This is a fair thing. The thing about Donald Trump

1793
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 3: is we don't know. Like with anybody, remember remember this

1794
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 3: about Donald Trump. He's a guy who likes to strike deals, right,

1795
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 3: this is why. And if you put that at the fundament,

1796
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 3: like if you put that at the heart of your

1797
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 3: understanding of Donald Trump, a lot of what he does

1798
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 3: make sense. My husband, as you know, has complete Trump

1799
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 3: arrangement syndrome. Honestly, you can't even talk about it at home,

1800
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 3: not unless you're going to prepare yourself to like set

1801
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,560
Speaker 3: aside fifteen minutes for a dissertation on it. Because the

1802
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 3: man just like he just he just loses his mind

1803
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 3: of a Trump. But and the latest thing that he's

1804
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 3: very upset about is he's found an old clip that's

1805
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 3: really old. It's from like the last time Donald Trump

1806
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 3: was the president. He's found an old clip of Donald

1807
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 3: Trump sitting in a room with Nancy Pelosi and I

1808
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 3: think Chuck Schumer is there, and maybe I think Pence

1809
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,919
Speaker 3: is there as well, and Trump is just giving Pelosi

1810
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 3: the hardest time on earth, Like he is being rude

1811
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 3: to her and Chuck Schumer and they are sitting there

1812
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,600
Speaker 3: taking it and sort of talking back and stuff. And

1813
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 3: the husband is just like, how can you treat people

1814
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 3: like this? He's like his mind is blown. But what

1815
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 3: you need to understand is Trump is a deal guy.

1816
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 3: So he's gone in there and he's giving them a

1817
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 3: hard time and he's talking at them for the cameras

1818
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 3: in order to create a performance and to strike a deal. Right,

1819
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 3: And if you kind of understand that, then you can

1820
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 3: make a lot of sense of what he's doing. And

1821
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 3: this is why I retain hope that he will not

1822
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 3: do the tariffs, because I think that the tariffs are

1823
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,560
Speaker 3: as opening gambit, the threat of the tariffs, that's the

1824
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 3: opening gambit from a deal breaker, a deal maker rather

1825
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 3: deal broker, and hopefully, hopefully, hopefully he softens his position

1826
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 3: and settles after that, because you know, you don't go

1827
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 3: in with your you don't go in with your actual deal,

1828
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 3: do you. You go in with your hard case and

1829
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 3: then you soften it. So fingers crossed. Of course, the

1830
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,719
Speaker 3: alternative is that Allan is correct and he's just ignorant,

1831
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 3: and I'm not factoring that. In twenty two away from seven,

1832
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,639
Speaker 3: here the dupless out well retailers continue to struggle along

1833
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 3: because we're still watching all the money we spend electronic cards.

1834
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 3: Spending data show to one point one percent fall in

1835
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 3: October compared to last October, and September was also down

1836
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 3: nearly six percent. Carolyn Young is the chief executive at

1837
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 3: Retail New Zealand and with.

1838
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 24: Us are Carolyn Cure, Heather, thanks for having me, Yeah.

1839
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. So when you look at this

1840
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 3: are you bracing yourselves for a bit of a stink

1841
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 3: Christmas period?

1842
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 25: Oh?

1843
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 8: Look, I'm in two minds.

1844
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1845
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 8: My heart is saying, come on, we can get our

1846
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 8: confidence back at consumers and let's get out there and

1847
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 8: support a local retailers. But my head is saying, you know,

1848
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 8: it's probably going to be a tough period over the

1849
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 8: next four or five weeks as we work our way

1850
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 8: through to Christmas. It's not far away now, and consumer

1851
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 8: confidence is still relatively subdued.

1852
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 3: Do you think, well, I mean, we still have one

1853
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 3: more one more OCR cut at the end of this year.

1854
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 3: I don't think towards the end of this month.

1855
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:52,799
Speaker 25: Is it possible?

1856
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, is it possible that it gives people a little

1857
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 3: phillip and just that extra a little bit to spend.

1858
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 8: Look at its ball. Banks usually have cut their rates

1859
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 8: prior to the Reserve Bank because they're anticipating what's going

1860
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 8: to happen. The challenge of courses is our people in

1861
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 8: the process where they are looking at refixing their mortgage,

1862
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 8: and if they're not, it's that lag factor that's the

1863
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 8: key key piece here. And what we do know is

1864
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 8: that all of the economists are forecasting, are really strong

1865
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 8: twenty twenty five. The question is when will it turn.

1866
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 8: Will it be February, will it be March, will it

1867
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 8: be April. But we're expecting early twenty twenty five to

1868
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 8: see a turn, and we really just have to survive

1869
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 8: those next four or five months to get us there.

1870
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 3: So what happens if it's tight for people? Right, It's

1871
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 3: not as if we just pretend Christmas doesn't happen. Do

1872
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 3: we just go out and buy smaller gifts?

1873
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 8: That's what we're seeing. We're absolutely seeing at the moment

1874
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 8: that the average sale price is down across the country

1875
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:55,560
Speaker 8: and so people are making spending, but it's spending a

1876
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 8: small amount of what they had been in the past.

1877
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:01,759
Speaker 8: I think families will make decisions around what they spend

1878
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 8: on and whether that's on essentials to have a great

1879
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 8: Christmas barbecue or a ham or whatever. It might be

1880
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 8: one of those special treats, and they may decide to

1881
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 8: spend this on presents and gifts for potentially oults or

1882
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 8: parts of the family. So, you know, we know that

1883
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 8: it's tough out there and people will need to make choices.

1884
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 3: He are you getting anywhere with Wellington City Council and

1885
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 3: putting the brakes on the Golden mart.

1886
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 8: It's a really interesting creation headed because we have been

1887
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:31,560
Speaker 8: trying to engage with Wellingam City Council and they just

1888
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 8: recently canceled a meeting on us. It was forecast for

1889
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 8: this week, So pretty disappointed was we were at at

1890
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 8: the moment. But we're still pushing ahead and making sure

1891
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 8: that we speak out on behalf of retailers and hospitality

1892
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 8: around what it is that we need in the city

1893
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 8: for it to be thriving, and that's certainly not more

1894
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 8: disruption for two or three years.

1895
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck with that. I really hope you guys

1896
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 3: get your way with it. It's Caroline Young, who's the

1897
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 3: chief executive at Retail New Zealand. Heather, it's l J. Here.

1898
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 3: I was listening to you last evening. I'm thinking you're

1899
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 3: gonna have to walk back on the pronunciation. Think thing

1900
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 3: okay here, So this is what happened. So my year

1901
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:11,919
Speaker 3: seven English teacher was listening last night from South Africa

1902
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 3: and this is the point at which I vowed that

1903
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 3: I would never ever do another French pronunciation again, because

1904
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,600
Speaker 3: I'm speaking English and I you know frenchhip. I mean

1905
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 3: habits of dicks to us, aren't they If you think

1906
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 3: if you've ever been to France and spoken English, they

1907
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 3: give you a hard time. So I'm gonna give them

1908
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 3: a right back to them. So I was like, whatever

1909
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:32,600
Speaker 3: le crousee, it's le crousette whatever was speaking English. She

1910
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 3: said to me, you know, valet valet fiallet filette. I

1911
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 3: thought that I had. I thought I had some I

1912
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 3: thought I had a good pattern going here. She sent

1913
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 3: this to me. Hither, I look forward to hearing you

1914
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 3: trying to pronounce in English only the following words de

1915
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:54,879
Speaker 3: ja voas, deja vous, cheffieur, chauffeur, bouquettes, bouquy.

1916
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 4: Hmm, what was it?

1917
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 3: What was how do you pronounced sabotage again as so subbottage? Yeah,

1918
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 3: obviously you.

1919
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 28: Know what, And I mean you just completely left out

1920
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 28: the middle U in chauffeur as well, So that'd be chowfur,

1921
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 28: wouldn't it chow foreer.

1922
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 3: Oh chow fa. Yeah, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about,

1923
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 3: because at the moment, what I am doing is some

1924
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 3: sabotage of the language. When I run on run out

1925
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 3: on the field for the first time, for the all blacks,

1926
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 3: which will be a site for everybody I will be

1927
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 3: doing my debut and so many other words. She's pointed out,

1928
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 3: hang out the white flag, Heather, and I have to

1929
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 3: be honest with you at this stage, I am regretting

1930
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 3: the highly principled stance that I took on my English

1931
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 3: pronunciation yesterday. So I feel as if I'm going to

1932
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 3: have to back down on this, but I'm going to

1933
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Speaker 3: hold on to some of them and i am going

1934
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Speaker 3: to bastardize it. So what you will notice is that

1935
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Speaker 3: I will make an effort to really stuff up a

1936
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Speaker 3: French word in English. So I'm going to do a homage.

1937
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 3: When everybody says, oh, that's a homage, it's a homage. No,

1938
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Speaker 3: it's a homage, and I'm going to have a reproach

1939
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Speaker 3: mod or whatever. I'm just going to to make it

1940
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 3: so you understand it, but you also enjoy how much

1941
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 3: I'm sticking it to.

1942
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Speaker 28: The stow we've gone from. I'm going to completely redefine

1943
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Speaker 28: how we pronounce the English language too. I'm just going

1944
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Speaker 28: to deliberately mist pronounce a couple of words. Yeah, I

1945
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 28: suppose that's about the spirit of compromise.

1946
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Speaker 3: Really, it's the art of the deal. Like Donald Trump

1947
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Speaker 3: seven teen away from seven.

1948
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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1949
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Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Hither Duplicy Allen and my HR

1950
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Speaker 2: the HR solution for busy smy on News Talk ZB

1951
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Speaker 2: here the.

1952
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Speaker 3: What about Restaurant? I think you understood that, Thank you,

1953
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Speaker 3: Meghan fourteen away from seven. Int Brady UK corresponding with us.

1954
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Speaker 18: Now, hey, hello Heather, great to speak to you again.

1955
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Speaker 3: So about the rugby Oh, here we go? So, I mean,

1956
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Speaker 3: what happened.

1957
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Speaker 18: Look, we've taken a collective decision in Ireland to let

1958
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Speaker 18: others be the best team in the world for three

1959
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Speaker 18: years and then in the fourth year of the cycle

1960
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Speaker 18: we go and actually win something.

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Speaker 32: So next, the.

1962
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Speaker 3: Opposite of how you normally play, which is that you

1963
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Speaker 3: play you play really poorly in the off years. No,

1964
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Speaker 3: you play really well in the off years and poorly

1965
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Speaker 3: in the on years. So you've switched the technic. You're

1966
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Speaker 3: gonna win the Rugby World Cup, are you?

1967
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Speaker 18: Well? Look, look we need to get past quarter finals,

1968
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Speaker 18: but no, fair play, fair play to your guys, absolutely brilliant.

1969
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Speaker 18: But then we move on.

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Speaker 15: We move on.

1971
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Speaker 18: As I said to your dear producer Laura. Just now,

1972
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Speaker 18: we're not the History channel.

1973
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Speaker 3: With a news channel. Hear it up, Hey, listen, why

1974
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Speaker 3: did Stamer go to Paris mamas to day?

1975
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Speaker 18: So this was painted out as a big deal. You know,

1976
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Speaker 18: British Prime Minister being in France for the first time

1977
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Speaker 18: for Armstace Day since Winston Churchill. Would you believe nineteen

1978
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Speaker 18: forty four he stood with Charlot Degaul eighty years ago.

1979
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Speaker 18: But you know instantly you can say Keir Starmer was

1980
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Speaker 18: not there for history. He was not there for Armstae Day.

1981
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Speaker 18: He was there to get some private time at Macron,

1982
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Speaker 18: to sit down behind closed doors and say, right, what

1983
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Speaker 18: are we going to do about Trump? That's what yesterday

1984
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 18: was all about. So Starmer spent the entire day in

1985
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Speaker 18: Paris and they will have talked about how to deal

1986
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 18: with Trump. What's coming in January? Are trade tariffs coming

1987
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 18: our way in Europe and obviously the UK is now

1988
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Speaker 18: not part of the European Union and that is a

1989
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Speaker 18: big worry. If Trump starts kind of knocking trade tariffs

1990
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Speaker 18: around Europe, it's a problem for everyone. And also the

1991
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Speaker 18: war in Ukraine. What's he going to do there? Is

1992
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Speaker 18: he going to continue his support so Starmer and Macron

1993
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Speaker 18: have a very good relationship. Starmer was working privately behind

1994
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Speaker 18: the scenes before he got elected. He actually got an

1995
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Speaker 18: audience in Paris prior to you know, when he was

1996
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Speaker 18: leader of the opposition. So make no mistake, he is

1997
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Speaker 18: a serious man and Trump is going to be a

1998
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Speaker 18: serious issue for Europe as he is for everywhere else.

1999
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we were just talking about Donald Trump

2000
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Speaker 3: just a few minutes ago. Actually, And the thing about

2001
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is he's a guy who makes deals, right,

2002
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 3: so you've got to bring something to the table. So

2003
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 3: Stamer is basically what if a Stamer wants he has

2004
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,720
Speaker 3: to brings up in order to try for that, doesn't.

2005
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Speaker 18: He Absolutely he's a transactional politician. And you know he

2006
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 18: even wrote the book The Art of the Deal. Well, unfortunately,

2007
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 18: the main thing Trump wanted out with the UK was

2008
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 18: a state visit with Queen Elizabeth. The second he's had that,

2009
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:18,520
Speaker 18: she's gone, and you just wonder what else this country.

2010
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Speaker 4: Has to offer him.

2011
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Speaker 3: Is he not interested in Charles?

2012
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Speaker 27: I don't think he is.

2013
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Speaker 18: I think I think look what they'll do is they'll

2014
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Speaker 18: offer him another state visit, and they're already making plans

2015
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Speaker 18: to have him speak in Parliament, and I think privately,

2016
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 18: behind the scenes, what they're working on is his ego.

2017
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Speaker 18: How come you know we can say you can say that.

2018
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 18: You know, he's already said that he was Queen Elizabeth

2019
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 18: the Second's favorite president ever. Apparently she told him that directly.

2020
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Speaker 18: You know, we can absolutely I was her favorite president ever.

2021
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 18: She told me to my face, you can totally believe,

2022
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 18: you know, these conversations that one person isn't around to

2023
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:52,680
Speaker 18: this dispute.

2024
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 1: I think.

2025
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Speaker 18: I think what we'll do is say to him that,

2026
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 18: you know, come and speak in Parliament. It's amazing, it'll

2027
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Speaker 18: you be the most beautiful president ever. But in the meantime,

2028
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Speaker 18: please don't put any tart of some British goods going

2029
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Speaker 18: to America.

2030
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Speaker 3: Yeah, jeez, I'll tell you what. It's quite a thing

2031
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 3: to invite him to speak there just for his ego,

2032
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Speaker 3: isn't it. Tell me about this breakthrough in the cold.

2033
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Speaker 18: Case in Ireland, So a young woman, Jojo Dollard, twenty

2034
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Speaker 18: one years of age, exactly twenty nine years ago, the

2035
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Speaker 18: weekend just gone, she vanished. She had been socializing in

2036
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Speaker 18: Dublin and she missed the bus, and she had decided

2037
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,679
Speaker 18: to hitchhike all the way back down to rural county

2038
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 18: kick Kenny. Now, the last interaction she had with anyone,

2039
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Speaker 18: she had run a family friend from a telephone box

2040
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 18: a coinbox at the time, and she was hitchhiking and

2041
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 18: she said, don't worry, don't worry, someone's pulled in. I've

2042
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 18: got a lift. She was never seen again. Now at

2043
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,640
Speaker 18: the weekend police put out an appeal and it was

2044
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 18: all about her last movements and the fact that she

2045
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Speaker 18: had a Sony Walkman, a white and green Sony Walkman

2046
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Speaker 18: with her and it was from Mark the anniversary. Well

2047
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,720
Speaker 18: out of nowhere. They have now made an arrest. A

2048
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 18: man in his fifties has been arrested on suspicion of

2049
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Speaker 18: murder and it is an extraordinary development. This is a

2050
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Speaker 18: case that Ireland has pretty much been obsessed with what

2051
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:17,959
Speaker 18: happened Jojo Dollard. He's in custody, a man is being questioned.

2052
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Speaker 18: Let's see what happens. But God help her family twenty

2053
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Speaker 18: nine years of not knowing what happened.

2054
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Speaker 4: Jojo jeesz.

2055
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you what and thank you very much, mate,

2056
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Speaker 3: really appreciate this. Inando Brady, we'll talk to you in

2057
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 3: a couple of days our UK correspondent do you know what? Okay,

2058
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 3: do you know what. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna

2059
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 3: deal with this right now. I regret what I said

2060
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 3: about the French words. I went of half cocked because

2061
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 3: this text closes it for me. What's my surname? Duplasy?

2062
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 3: What is that French? How am I pronouncing it in French?

2063
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 3: Aren't I? So I'm just a dick. So I'm just

2064
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:51,559
Speaker 3: going to own that now. As you know, there has

2065
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 3: been moving right along. As you know, there's been a

2066
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,599
Speaker 3: lot of post post election analysis trying to figure out

2067
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 3: why the pulse has got it so wrong with the

2068
01:35:58,120 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 3: Donald Trump and they didn't see that he was coming

2069
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 3: through in the way that he was. One of the

2070
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 3: most interesting observations I reckon was from the Guardian over

2071
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 3: the weekend. Now I haven't had a chance to talk

2072
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 3: about it. It didn't have a chance, Yes that I've

2073
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 3: got a little bit of a moment now to talk

2074
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 3: about it. What the Guardian. This is the Guardian's editorial.

2075
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 3: It was called lessons for the Left in wake of

2076
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 3: damning defeat, and the lesson that they have taken for

2077
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 3: the left is that you can't assume people will vote

2078
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 3: for the left or the candidate from the left just

2079
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 3: because they have boobs or brown skin. And they write

2080
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 3: this black Latino, Native American and younger voters on whose

2081
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:33,640
Speaker 3: support has Democratic rival. The Vice President Kamala Harris at

2082
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 3: Pinder Hopes also went for Trump in larger than anticipated numbers.

2083
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 3: It's plain on this showing at least that membership of

2084
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 3: racial and ethnic minorities can no longer be blithely assumed

2085
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:50,679
Speaker 3: to translate into support for a progressive left agenda. Welcome

2086
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,639
Speaker 3: to the idea that we don't all vote the same

2087
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 3: because we're all brown or women. But isn't that interesting

2088
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 3: that The Guardian's view, which is one of the most

2089
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:03,879
Speaker 3: I would say kind of I was a most prominent

2090
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 3: left leaning newspapers in the world. The Guardian's view is

2091
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:11,000
Speaker 3: that it was assumed that you, if you belong to

2092
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 3: a certain racial or ethnic minority, you would simply vote

2093
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,879
Speaker 3: for the progressive left wing agenda. But now you can't anymore.

2094
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy? I mean, I'm glad they figured that

2095
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:20,839
Speaker 3: out in twenty twenty four, because geez, you know, imagine

2096
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:22,760
Speaker 3: if they'd held on to that for longer, but well,

2097
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 3: welcome to the idea. Individuals seven away from seven getting

2098
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:28,680
Speaker 3: ready for a.

2099
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:31,799
Speaker 1: New administration in the US, What will be the impact?

2100
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 2: It's The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Myhr.

2101
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 2: The HR solution for busy SMEs, new stalks ab. Whether

2102
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 2: it's macro micro or just playing economics, It's all The

2103
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Speaker 2: Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my Hr.

2104
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Speaker 1: The HR Solution for busy SMEs, U stalks ab.

2105
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 3: The cold Player's lame and even more overrated than you two.

2106
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 3: It's for tasteless people who just listen to mainstream radio

2107
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 3: hits lame. Dave, Thanks Dave. So there was an interesting

2108
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 3: article today. I thought about why it's harder to make

2109
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 3: friends as adults, which I mean, I think we've all

2110
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 3: realized by now as a fact, right, Like if you

2111
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 3: think about your friendship or all of your friends, like

2112
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 3: most of us would would say most of my friends.

2113
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 3: Most of my friends are friends who I made at

2114
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 3: school or at university. I was lucky, or maybe in

2115
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 3: your early twenties when you sort of start the workforce

2116
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 3: and you're still going to the clubs, you know what

2117
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 3: I mean. But after that, once you're in your late

2118
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Speaker 3: twenties and thirties, not so much anymore anyway. The reason

2119
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 3: for it this solves the conundrum apparently, is because we

2120
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Speaker 3: don't have a third place in our lives. So we

2121
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 3: have house that we live in, we have work that

2122
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 3: we go to, but we don't have that third place anymore.

2123
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 3: So if you were at school, your third place, I

2124
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 3: guess esh would have been going to school, or maybe

2125
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 3: going to soccer after school, or where you were still

2126
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:58,680
Speaker 3: in your early twenties, going to the club whatever. But

2127
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 3: now you don't have those anymore. So as a result,

2128
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of people are setting up clubs, not

2129
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 3: like club clubs likedoft doff clubs, but like you know,

2130
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 3: like speed friendship dating clubs and stuff like that, book

2131
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:11,599
Speaker 3: clubs and stuff like that so you can go out

2132
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:13,680
Speaker 3: and make some more friends. So interesting, isn't that That

2133
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 3: solves that riddle?

2134
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Speaker 28: And I will just say doft doff clubs are a

2135
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 28: very good third space as well. I would definitely attest

2136
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:22,240
Speaker 28: to that car wash by Rose Royce to play us

2137
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 28: out tonight, because we've just been talking mean things about

2138
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Speaker 28: car washes all all day, and I feel like we

2139
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 28: need to you know, maybe celebrate them and they don't

2140
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 28: all try and eat your car. Surely plenty of them

2141
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 28: work around the like, what we're wrong with this car wash?

2142
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 28: The Peprilla one at Z station in Lyndwood. Yeah, I

2143
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 28: have no idea.

2144
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Speaker 3: It was the previous car washer, perfectly sensible experience for

2145
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 3: the person in it, and then it was just the.

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Speaker 28: Swing was the monster one. It'd be great if we

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Speaker 28: would come on and answer these questions, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, z Z because we are speaking English America, Okay,

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Speaker 3: just to kind of just keep with that thing going anyway,

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Speaker 3: so we get over the French that we're not going

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Speaker 3: to do that anymore. Most of my surname and I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna see tomorrow used to.

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