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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: Tim Southey has linked up with his former Black Caps

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Speaker 2: captain Brendon McCullum as part of England's coaching staff across formats,

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Speaker 2: taking on a short term contract as specialist skills consultant.

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Speaker 2: Tim Southey of course, retired from international cricket after England's

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Speaker 2: two to one series win here in New Zealand in December,

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Speaker 2: ending a sixteen year career that included a national record

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Speaker 2: seven hundred and seventy six wickets across international formats. Tim

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Speaker 2: Southe is with us. Tim, I want to talk about

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Speaker 2: your new role in a moment, but with the benefit

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Speaker 2: of some time and space to reflect a few months

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Speaker 2: to reflect on your international career, how do you look

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Speaker 2: back on it in general terms?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was an honor to represent his owner.

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Speaker 4: Is all I ever wanted to do is a kid,

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Speaker 4: was to play sport and to be to do it

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Speaker 4: for things Yland and across through formats for a for

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Speaker 4: a long period of time, it was an etflute pleasure

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Speaker 4: and a joy to represent our country on the world stage.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, there was some some tough times through that

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Speaker 4: through that period, there's some some good times, but but

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Speaker 4: it's it was just a real, real honor to do it.

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Speaker 3: It was a child of dream and I was very

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Speaker 3: fortunate to be able to do it.

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Speaker 4: And I've got nearly seventy years of memories to so,

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Speaker 4: I guess look back on for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 3: So it's yeah, a real, real privilege to have been

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Speaker 2: Are there any things that you are especially proud of.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think just just being able to represent our country.

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Speaker 3: And to be able to do it in the world stage.

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Speaker 4: And I guess for such a small country, such a

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Speaker 4: proud sporting country, and the things that we're able to

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Speaker 4: achieve the side during that time what was pretty special.

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Speaker 3: We boxed above our.

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Speaker 4: Weight so of times, and yeah, it's just a privilege

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Speaker 4: just the the ability and the chance to represent his

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Speaker 4: a long period of time, and the friendships you make

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Speaker 4: and the memories you create during that time are things

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Speaker 4: that will will have it you forever.

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Speaker 2: As you're playing, are you able to, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: enjoy the success, be proud of the success as it's happening.

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Speaker 2: Or you know, with games coming thick and fast in

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Speaker 2: both formats or all three formats in your case, are

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Speaker 2: you just sort of onto the next pretty much, and

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Speaker 2: it might actually take a bit of time, you know,

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Speaker 2: even than the years ahead for you to actually reflect

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Speaker 2: on what you achieved.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess even now you sort of you have

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Speaker 4: But it's like I say, you've got the memories that

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Speaker 3: But I think in the moment you enjoy it. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you learn from the bad, you enjoy the good

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Speaker 4: and keep trying to improve. But the amount of games

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Speaker 4: it was I guess hard too. But you had moments

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Speaker 4: able to look back on and reflect and move forward

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Speaker 4: as well and enjoy those moments. I think you've got

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Speaker 4: to enjoy those those small moments as well throughout throughout

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Speaker 4: throughout your career. And like I say, they went all

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Speaker 4: all good times. But I think the tough times make

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Speaker 2: Cricket is a game that can take you, as you've mentioned,

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Speaker 2: on a bit of a roller coaster sometimes. What were

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Speaker 2: your strategies for dealing with the times that that didn't

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Speaker 2: go quite the way that you would have hoped.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think been so young coming to the side, you

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Speaker 4: So it's something I guess you accept and you always

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Speaker 4: a lot, especially early on, and each time you come

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Speaker 4: I just want to want to be a little bitter

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Speaker 2: Were you stats driven numbers driven during your career.

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Speaker 4: Not particularly, I think you have a Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 4: it's a game that's numbers are such a big part

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Speaker 4: of They certainly drive me, but you're sort of you're

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Speaker 4: aware of of of stats, and especially nowadays with with

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Speaker 4: But it certainly wasn't something that that I was driven by.

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Speaker 2: So you got a new gig now at the moment anyway,

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Speaker 2: a short term gig with England Special Skills consultant. That

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Speaker 2: sounds pretty lash. How did this come about?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was an opportunity that it presented itself and

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Speaker 4: had I had lunch with Brendan and he he he

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Speaker 3: A way at the at the highest level.

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Speaker 4: It's a game that's given me everything that I've gotten

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Speaker 4: So I looked at it and spoke to Brendan and

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Speaker 4: and had to how to think about it, And yeah,

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Speaker 4: I looked at the bowlers and the side that the

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Speaker 2: So what does the role specifically involved? What are you

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Speaker 3: Just we're.

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Speaker 4: With with the bowlers, helping, helping out way we had

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Speaker 4: just working with their bowlers, trying to I guess, trying

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Speaker 2: As Brendan McCullum the coach the same as Brendan McCullum

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Brendan mcallums a pretty pretty sort of solid,

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Speaker 3: He doesn't doesn't change too much.

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Speaker 4: He's done great things, see great things for us as

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Speaker 4: That the success we had under him and the success

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Speaker 4: So he's been an unbelievable way of managing people and

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Speaker 2: And well, your your role with England has start a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's obviously early on, it's it's a different

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Speaker 4: But I guess you take take joy and take pleasure

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Speaker 3: But it's certainly certainly.

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Speaker 4: A nice feeling when you work with someone and you

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Speaker 4: it's it's it's different but it's it's also nice and

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Speaker 4: like I said, it's great to be able to give

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Speaker 2: And you've still got white ball commitments obviously Birmingham Phoenix

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Speaker 2: can you see yourself going into coaching full time?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't too too sure what.

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Speaker 4: Where the where the path of take me post post cricket,

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Speaker 4: and this is obviously an opportunity to to get.

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Speaker 3: A monkst coaching and give it a go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, still got a couple of playing commitments in around

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Speaker 3: As well to still be still be able to play

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Speaker 4: And yeah, it's I've got time to I guess figure

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon you'll ever move completely away from the game,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: So that's all I've known since I was eighteen years old,

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Speaker 4: It's a game I love, it's a game I care about.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I honestly don't know the answer to that

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Speaker 2: All right, we've got plenty of time to think about that.

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Speaker 2: You've got a bit of coaching, but of playing still

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Speaker 2: to go. Look all the best for the rest of

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Speaker 2: to catching up once you back home. Thanks for that, pony,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Tim, Tim Southie there joining us out of England.

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Speaker 2: Good to get the chance to catch up first time.

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Speaker 2: I think of Jttletim since his international retirement. So obviously

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Speaker 2: plenty going on for Tim Soudy in that coaching role

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Speaker 2: and then on with some more white ball cricket. So

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Speaker 2: his career will be Elong Gate. It'd be interesting to

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Speaker 2: see where he ends up, Tim Saudi, whether it's a

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Speaker 2: coaching gig, perhaps in one of these white ball franchises

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Speaker 3: They siding me.

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Speaker 2: Plenty of jobs at the moment, don't there for cricket coaches.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, good to get the chance to catch up

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Speaker 2: with Tim Southe.

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