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Speaker 6: Well, A very good morning and welcome along to the
Speaker 6: Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with Peak wolf Camp. That's
Speaker 6: me the Resonant Builder, and we're here to talk about
Speaker 6: all things building and construction. And that's her fairly broad
Speaker 6: sort of base on which to build a show, because
Speaker 6: we can talk about literally building, the mechanics of it,
Speaker 6: the actual physical activity involved in it, what you need,
Speaker 6: the material you need, the trades people you might need
Speaker 6: to do it. We can also talk about I guess
Speaker 6: that sort of structural framework in terms of legislation, so
Speaker 6: there are rules and guidelines around what you can build
Speaker 6: where you can build it. A lot of that is
Speaker 6: actually up for grabs at the moment in the sense
Speaker 6: that there are moves of foot at a government level
Speaker 6: to change the types of buildings, the size of buildings
Speaker 6: that we might be able to build without necessarily requiring
Speaker 6: a building consent. We had quite a conversation about that
Speaker 6: last week on the show, and then during the week
Speaker 6: obviously little pieces of information and little discussions happen, particularly
Speaker 6: around that topic. And I've been part of a couple
Speaker 6: of those, number of them that were held while Building
Speaker 6: z which is a sort of trade based building expo
Speaker 6: that was on what was it Tuesday Wednesday here in
Speaker 6: Auckland was on and there I went to a couple
Speaker 6: of seminars which were interesting in themselves, and then had
Speaker 6: an opportunity to cat up with a whole bunch of
Speaker 6: people that some I knew, some that I was introduced to,
Speaker 6: and certainly front of mine for a lot of people
Speaker 6: was this new proposed legislation or the draft document, the
Speaker 6: discussion document that's out at the moment around hey, look
Speaker 6: what about if we removed the requirement to get a
Speaker 6: building consent for buildings a granny flat up to sixty
Speaker 6: square meters, only one of them per property, etc. Etc. Etc.
Speaker 6: So there's some interesting stuff in that as well. We
Speaker 6: can talk about that, but we can also talk about
Speaker 6: the practicalities. What are you what are your projects at
Speaker 6: the moment, What tasks do you want to try and
Speaker 6: get done. I think I mentioned that I had one,
Speaker 6: well one of a number of jobs on my list
Speaker 6: as well, which, to be fair, I didn't get round
Speaker 6: to this week. It's on the list for tomorrow. I'll
Speaker 6: definitely go and sort out a floorboard that's developed a
Speaker 6: split in it alongside an addition, so that'll be a
Speaker 6: little bit of crawling around underneath the floor to do.
Speaker 6: I presume I'm going to have to do some solid
Speaker 6: blocking underneath it, and then I figured out a way
Speaker 6: of sort of repairing the floorboard without taking it out.
Speaker 6: To be fair, I'm just going to fill it full
Speaker 6: of a POxy. But it's kind of my working plan
Speaker 6: at this stage. See that's part of the process as well.
Speaker 6: You have to plan the work that you need to do.
Speaker 6: I popped into the Razine store picked up some of
Speaker 6: the repair care product that I use quite a lot
Speaker 6: in preparation for this little job tomorrow. And because it's floorboards,
Speaker 6: I'll make sure I put my kneepads in the in
Speaker 6: the truck before I head off to work tomorrow as well.
Speaker 6: So if you've got a project on oh, eight hundred
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. If you
Speaker 6: would like to text you, I'm more than welcome to
Speaker 6: do exactly that. It is nine two nine two. And
Speaker 6: if you'd like to send me an email, You're welcome
Speaker 6: to do that as well. It's Pete at newstalksb dot
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Speaker 6: Happy happy Matariki to you as well. A beautiful day
Speaker 6: in this part of the country anyway, to celebrate Mantadiki
Speaker 6: on Friday. So a nice long weekend with some really
Speaker 6: lovely weather is a lovely bonus at this time of year.
Speaker 6: If you've got a project that you'd like to talk about, Oh,
Speaker 6: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 6: The lines are open. We're going to have a couple
Speaker 6: of guests, actually one guest coming into the studio later
Speaker 6: on in the program. So now's a really good time
Speaker 6: to call because we're going to, like I say, we're
Speaker 6: going to have those guests. Bryce McDermott, who I bumped
Speaker 6: into at build en Z. He was working on the
Speaker 6: razine stand and we had a brief opportunity for a
Speaker 6: quick face to face catch up. Given that he's contributed
Speaker 6: to this show for almost ten years, it was nice
Speaker 6: to sort of catch up with him in person, a
Speaker 6: bit of a chat and discuss a few bits and pieces.
Speaker 6: Bryce will be with us. I'm just trying to figure
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Speaker 6: two him at seven forty five this morning and then
Speaker 6: after eight o'clock. One thing that I realized during the
Speaker 6: last couple of weeks is obviously we have a new
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Speaker 6: I wonder if in the last ten years of the
Speaker 6: show have we ever actually specifically talked about solar as
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Speaker 6: I don't know that we actually ever have as one
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Speaker 6: eight o'clock this morning, and then of course at eight
Speaker 6: point thirty we're into the garden with the rid climb
Speaker 6: past as usual. So that's my long winded way of saying,
Speaker 6: if you've got a question, call now. Oh eight hundred
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Looking forward
Speaker 6: to chatting with you again this morning about all things
Speaker 6: building construction. Actually had a couple of people come up
Speaker 6: to me while I was at Building Z to sort
Speaker 6: of carry on discussions that they'd heard on the radio.
Speaker 6: That might not be the opportunity today, but if you've
Speaker 6: got a question of a building nature, you should call
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Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
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Speaker 7: Good morning Pete, happy not ukey to you and to.
Speaker 6: You indeed, indeed, thank you Pete.
Speaker 7: I'm replacing some joinery in an existing dwelling, and I
Speaker 7: have building consent because it's larger than what was there. Actually,
Speaker 7: it's two dwellings. One of them has HIV and it's
Speaker 7: quite dry. But the existing dwelling in that has single glaze,
Speaker 7: nonfirmly broken. It's nineteen seventies, and I have to put
Speaker 7: in a matching type of joinery, which I won't do.
Speaker 7: I want double blaze, yep, but I don't need to
Speaker 7: do thermally broken. And I'm trying to decide about Lowe.
Speaker 7: One joinery fabricator has suggested that if I put Lowe
Speaker 7: in that dwelling, it's going to increase the amount of
Speaker 7: sort of condensation and moisture on the aluminium because it's
Speaker 7: not thermally broken, and it will push the moisture towards
Speaker 7: the joinery, whereas if I just do double blaze and
Speaker 7: not low E, it's not going to have that effect.
Speaker 7: I'm quite confused.
Speaker 6: It's a fascinating I can sort of understand the logic
Speaker 6: behind the conclusion that they've reached in presenting you with
Speaker 6: that summary. Let's say, so that's true. Interesting, I actually
Speaker 6: did a little I didn't experiment this week like proper
Speaker 6: science using and showing the difference between single glazing and
Speaker 6: double glazing. So we had this little booth that had
Speaker 6: two heat lamps, so identical heat lamps in adjoining booths, right,
Speaker 6: separated by a petition, and in front of each of
Speaker 6: them we could put in different types of glass. And
Speaker 6: then in front of that. So outside of this little
Speaker 6: contraption was a radiometer, which is a little glass bubble
Speaker 6: basically with a fan in it, and when heat hits
Speaker 6: the blade of the fan, it's reflective and it will
Speaker 6: generate energy and that will get the blades it's four
Speaker 6: blades in this little fan to spin like an animometer, right,
Speaker 6: so like a little wind vane if you've have seen
Speaker 6: them spinning, and so they would both be still like,
Speaker 6: not moving. Then you'd turn on the heat lamps and
Speaker 6: then you'd see the rate at which each one spun
Speaker 6: depending on how much heat was coming through the glass.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 6: And one of the pieces of glass that we had
Speaker 6: in there, it was some high performance double glazing, which
Speaker 6: included low E so and E is emissivity, which is
Speaker 6: the way in which heat transfers through the glass, right,
Speaker 6: So if you get low emissivity, it reduces the amount
Speaker 6: of heat transfer through the glass. And then you add
Speaker 6: that to double glazing, which just by having two pieces
Speaker 6: of glass separated by a spacer creates that effect anyway,
Speaker 6: because obviously heat moving through two pieces of glass goes
Speaker 6: through the first part, hits the spacer that reduces the emissivity,
Speaker 6: and then it has to go through another piece of glass.
Speaker 6: But if you up the speck on that by going
Speaker 6: low E, you get even less emissivity, i Less heat
Speaker 6: transfer through the glass. And in what your joiner is
Speaker 6: saying is okay, if not a lot else chain and
Speaker 6: we put low E glass into this one single frame,
Speaker 6: and we've still got conventional aluminium jowinery, and the distinction
Speaker 6: being new aluminium jowinery most likely needs to be thermally
Speaker 6: broken in order to comply with H one standards of
Speaker 6: the Building Code because they've increased. But if you're doing
Speaker 6: only replacing one or two windows, you know, like practically
Speaker 6: I would say it's a little bit absurd to get
Speaker 6: you to put in thermally broken jowinery and low E
Speaker 6: in that one window when you don't have it anywhere
Speaker 6: else in the house. Now you could do it because
Speaker 6: you go, well, maybe later on I'll change it, and
Speaker 6: I don't want to have to change the joinery again
Speaker 6: later on. But realistically, changing one piece of joinery in
Speaker 6: a total building envelope is not going to make a
Speaker 6: significant change to the overall performance of the building. Those
Speaker 6: windows will perform better, but the rest will continue to
Speaker 6: perform as they are. And I suppose what he's saying
Speaker 6: there is to go Okay, if you put low eglass
Speaker 6: in there, heat will still want to do what heat does,
Speaker 6: which is equalize. So if it's warm inside cold outside,
Speaker 6: it will want to equalize and it will find a pathway,
Speaker 6: and that pathway will become your standard non thermally broken
Speaker 6: aluminium and that's where you'll see condensation. But it feels
Speaker 6: like a sort of worse and worser type of situation.
Speaker 6: You know that. Okay, So you get a choice basically,
Speaker 6: do I want some condensation on my glass or do
Speaker 6: I want it on the aluminium? And if you want
Speaker 6: to sort of share the deficit around, then you will
Speaker 6: go for standard double glazing plus and your existing unbroken
Speaker 6: standard aluminium jowinery, and then you'll get a little bit
Speaker 6: of condensation on both of them. If you went for
Speaker 6: lower glass, then you'll have more condensation on the aluminium
Speaker 6: and less on the glass.
Speaker 7: Oh that's really helpful.
Speaker 6: Actually, I mean sorry, that seems like not quite a long.
Speaker 6: I mean there's a little bit in that, and I
Speaker 6: can I mean, look, I would like the performance difference.
Speaker 6: And again I have done some presentations recently we have
Speaker 6: actually drilled down into the detail, right, so you know
Speaker 6: what's the difference between. So, by way of example, if
Speaker 6: you had a piece of single glazed standard aluminum joinery
Speaker 6: and you compared that same window to one that was
Speaker 6: either thermly broken or if you had timber or uPVC
Speaker 6: as the frame, and then you had high performing low
Speaker 6: eglass in it, the effectiveness of the high performance joinery
Speaker 6: versus the standard is almost a factor of ten. It's
Speaker 6: almost ten times more efficient than what you would have
Speaker 6: in So we know that it works. And again, going
Speaker 6: back to my little experiment, which thankfully we filmed and
Speaker 6: that'll be available online sometime in the future, you can
Speaker 6: you can measure what you can't see, which is which
Speaker 6: was the benefit of doing this little experiment, right, because
Speaker 6: we go to people, Okay, well, if you upspec your
Speaker 6: glazing the glass in your windows there is a benefit.
Speaker 6: And then you go, well, hang on, glass is glass, right,
Speaker 6: I look through it. How do I know that it's
Speaker 6: actually working?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 6: Well, here we can show you. This is what happens
Speaker 6: in a physical sense when heat transfers through the glass.
Speaker 6: It's getting that little radiometer to spin way faster than
Speaker 6: the one next to it.
Speaker 7: I'm interested in keeping keeping the heat in. Yeah, a
Speaker 7: little bit of condensation on the joint on the aluminium
Speaker 7: doesn't room it, but the glass when it gets commensasion
Speaker 7: on it is quite annoying. But I am planning probably
Speaker 7: you know, five years, maybe I might do some retrofit
Speaker 7: double glazing on the other joinery in the drying. Now,
Speaker 7: these there's two dwellings involved, so one of them tends
Speaker 7: to get moisture than the other. The one with the
Speaker 7: HIV doesn't seem to get moist at all. And I'm
Speaker 7: thinking that ought to have the low e because that's
Speaker 7: just a small window going to a large branch lader
Speaker 7: now and there's not many windows and the rest of it.
Speaker 7: So I think it makes sense there because that's going
Speaker 7: to be the majority.
Speaker 6: But in your case, then the benefit of the HIV
Speaker 6: is that you've got air movement, right, and that helps
Speaker 6: raise the temperature a little bit. So again, condensation is
Speaker 6: moisture laden air collecting on a cool surface, right, So
Speaker 6: if you've got single glaze single glazing like most of
Speaker 6: us do at home, that inside surface of the glass
Speaker 6: will cool down because of course the outside temperature. When
Speaker 6: I drove to work this morning, I looked at the
Speaker 6: dam on the MASDA and it was nine degrees outside, right,
Speaker 6: So it's not cold inside my house. I glanced at
Speaker 6: the thermometer on the way out. It's probably about eighteen
Speaker 6: degrees right, So you've got nine degrees outside eighteen degrees inside.
Speaker 6: The point at which those two temperatures are meeting is
Speaker 6: the glass, and so the world wants to equalize, and
Speaker 6: so my glass is going to get cold because it's
Speaker 6: colder outside than inside. And if I didn't keep the
Speaker 6: heat up, if the house wasn't relatively dry, then I'd
Speaker 6: start to see condensation on those windows. That's where it meet.
Speaker 6: That's where it's evident. There's always moisture in the air,
Speaker 6: but when it hits a cold surface, that's where it commensates.
Speaker 6: And in some cases you know, if you go into
Speaker 6: some houses that have little or no insulation in the wall,
Speaker 6: then the wall itself, if you put your eaving you
Speaker 6: can feel it. Sometimes you put your hand on the
Speaker 6: wall and you can feel that the wall is cold.
Speaker 6: And so in those situations you'll actually get condensation on
Speaker 6: the on the walls, on the plaster board walls, not
Speaker 6: just on the glass.
Speaker 7: Right, So to summarize, and I'm just trying to I'm
Speaker 7: trying to make sure I get the get the right
Speaker 7: information from me here because it's a little Yeah, sure,
Speaker 7: if I put low e, it's going to reduce condensation
Speaker 7: on the glass, but it's going to push it to
Speaker 7: where the moist to where the temperature can equalize, which
Speaker 7: is the aluminium.
Speaker 6: Well, I think that's what the guy is telling you,
Speaker 6: and I can see a certain logic in that. My
Speaker 6: sense is if if there's it often comes down to
Speaker 6: dollars as well. Right, So you know, is it worth
Speaker 6: investing in the low e glass, which we know is
Speaker 6: better than standard double glazing, which is then better than
Speaker 6: good old fashioned single glazing. And if you were thinking
Speaker 6: of doing more work in the future, I suppose investing
Speaker 6: in the upgrade is an investment in the future as well.
Speaker 6: If you were quite clear that you were never going
Speaker 6: to do anything else to the rest of the house,
Speaker 6: then I would say put the double glazing in, because
Speaker 6: you'll get the benefit from that, but it may not
Speaker 6: overall be worth spending the money to upgrade to low
Speaker 6: E And that's just being reasonable and practical. You know
Speaker 6: there is a benefit to doing it, but you've got
Speaker 6: to look at the overall project as well and be
Speaker 6: realistic about what you're going to achieve by doing it.
Speaker 6: And again, the reason that doing one part of an
Speaker 6: overall thermal envelope is for exactly that reason. What we're
Speaker 6: trying to create is a thermal envelope, right, So we
Speaker 6: want to ensure that we're trapping heat inside our houses
Speaker 6: and keeping cold out enveloping the space that we inhabit. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: because what are your walls like?
Speaker 7: So one of them has insulation in because it was
Speaker 7: built in two thousand and six, and that has four
Speaker 7: other windows, but one of the windows is in question,
Speaker 7: and then it's going to have a large ranch slider
Speaker 7: and then there are or there's another ranch slider which
Speaker 7: is not double blaze, so that has a lot of
Speaker 7: existing joinery, and it has a heat pump and it's insulated.
Speaker 7: The other dwelling does not have insulation. It's nineteen seventies.
Speaker 7: It has a heat pump. But this is pretty much
Speaker 7: the only piece of joinery in the room. There are
Speaker 7: two adjacent rooms with very small windows, and I'm thinking
Speaker 7: that one should have the low e because it's the
Speaker 7: major piece of joinery and to upgrade the others isn't
Speaker 7: going to be much in the future.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So it becomes a percentage. It becomes a percentage game, right,
Speaker 6: And that's why you know, as we get more and
Speaker 6: more of our houses have more and more joinery in it, right,
Speaker 6: we want the use and we want that connection to outside,
Speaker 6: so we team we have Traditionally, if you think about
Speaker 6: older buildings, they don't have as much space taken up
Speaker 6: by joinery whereas we do today. So again, if you're
Speaker 6: you might say, look, twenty five percent of my wall
Speaker 6: is glazing, in which case it makes sense to make
Speaker 6: that glazing as thermally efficient as possible because it's so
Speaker 6: much of a wall. So I'm circling back, and I
Speaker 6: think you were heading there as well. If it's if
Speaker 6: in your case, the ranch slider is a big part
Speaker 6: of that exterior surface, then it would pay to make
Speaker 6: that as efficient as possible, which is the low e.
Speaker 7: Yeah, what I felt was not efficient was to go
Speaker 7: with theirmally broken because even if I upgrade later on
Speaker 7: the rest of the joinery, it's never going to be
Speaker 7: somally broken. The retrofited, double glazed correct. And the cost
Speaker 7: difference there thermally broken was massive. Is that much for
Speaker 7: the low e? It isn't. I want to make the decision.
Speaker 6: Okay, it sounds like you're on track, or hopefully we've
Speaker 6: discussed you know, this is where these are permutations, right,
Speaker 6: This is a little bit of this and a little
Speaker 6: bit of that. But the great thing about I found
Speaker 6: for our discussion is that you're you're obviously aware that
Speaker 6: you've got all of these different components that when combined,
Speaker 6: give you better performance. But you know, we can't focus
Speaker 6: on sort of a one fixed solution like typically if
Speaker 6: if we're after warm, dry comfortable, we've got to be
Speaker 6: looking at all of these elements that combine in our
Speaker 6: houses to create warm, dry comfortable, and it's it's never
Speaker 6: just one thing.
Speaker 7: No I am aware of that couldn't been listening to.
Speaker 9: You for a long time.
Speaker 6: Very kind of you.
Speaker 7: To say, you make a lot of sense.
Speaker 6: Have a great day, you too, very much. Pleasure all
Speaker 6: the best bother that your news talks, he'd be, yes,
Speaker 6: it does. I suppose this is one of the things
Speaker 6: that I actually really really love about buildings is that
Speaker 6: they are, in a sense incredibly simple. Buildings for us
Speaker 6: as human beings are shelter, right, a basic human requirement
Speaker 6: for us to be able to thrive, let's say, is
Speaker 6: to have shelter. And then from the basic requirement for
Speaker 6: shelter through to actually being really really healthy and good
Speaker 6: for us, warm, dry, comfortable, then we start to get
Speaker 6: add layer upon layer upon layer of detail, and detail
Speaker 6: is complexity, and then the combination of all of those
Speaker 6: elements is where it does get really really complicated, which
Speaker 6: is good. That's what science is about. And yeah, it
Speaker 6: was a great little experiment that we did actually this week.
Speaker 6: Because it is tremendously difficult to You can look at diagrams,
Speaker 6: you can think about it, you can theorize about what
Speaker 6: happens when I've got heat on one side of glass
Speaker 6: and I want to know how much is getting through
Speaker 6: and how can I tell and so you put a
Speaker 6: radiometer in front of it, and the physical evidence of
Speaker 6: the heat moving through the glass. It was good fun.
Speaker 6: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Speaker 6: I better take a break. It is six thirty four
Speaker 6: at NEWSTALKSB your news Talk's EDB and eight hundred eighty
Speaker 6: ten eighty is the number to call quick text before
Speaker 6: you go to the calls. Is there a requirement to
Speaker 6: have an extraction fan or a range hood in a
Speaker 6: kitchen when renovating an old property under the Building Code?
Speaker 6: Thanks short answer is, interestingly enough, no, So the Building
Speaker 6: Code requires ventilation in a kitchen area, but not necessarily extraction. So,
Speaker 6: for example, if you have an opening window that's reasonably
Speaker 6: close to where you're cooking takes place, then that satisfies
Speaker 6: the requirements of the Building Code as it currently stands.
Speaker 6: Interestingly enough, the if that property is used, however, as
Speaker 6: a residential tenancy. The residential tenancy the Amendment Act Healthy
Speaker 6: Home standards mean that you must have extraction in a
Speaker 6: kitchen and it doesn't necessarily have to be a range hood,
Speaker 6: which is a little bit perverse as well. So you
Speaker 6: could theoretically achieve compliance with the healthy home standards by
Speaker 6: adding an extractor to a kitchen area like you would
Speaker 6: in a bathroom, It doesn't necessarily, as I understand, it
Speaker 6: have to be arrange hood saying all of that range
Speaker 6: hoods are good and I think kind of essential. So
Speaker 6: if there's an opportunity to put an arrange hood, you
Speaker 6: won't regret it. So even if you're not required to
Speaker 6: do it, they are a really good idea. Plenty of evidence,
Speaker 6: plenty of data about their usefulness in terms of controlling
Speaker 6: internal moisture. So if you're like I was cooking last night,
Speaker 6: I had a pot on the stove bubbling away ready
Speaker 6: for the pasta to go into. That's a lot of
Speaker 6: steam and the extra that we have is able to
Speaker 6: direct that outside, So efficient extraction from kitchens makes a
Speaker 6: significant difference in terms of controlling internal moisture in my house,
Speaker 6: saying that maybe my fan my extractor needs a bit
Speaker 6: of a clean because later and we had a couple
Speaker 6: of people over last night and someone started writing their
Speaker 6: name on the window in the living room because there
Speaker 6: was a little bit of condensation. So maybe I didn't
Speaker 6: turn the extractor on early enough, or more likely I
Speaker 6: need to clean out the filters. Oh, eight hundred eighty
Speaker 6: ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 9: Hey, Donna, Hi, I wonder if you could help me.
Speaker 10: I wanted to know if you know of a really
Speaker 10: good sense in concept in Auckland.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 6: Look, I don't in the sense that I you know,
Speaker 6: I know lots of trades people and that sort of thing,
Speaker 6: but I in terms of actual Ah yeah, look, I
Speaker 6: tell you what the best way of doing it is
Speaker 6: in your area. Undoubtedly there's been some fences that have
Speaker 6: been built recently so as to try and and go
Speaker 6: maybe knock on the door. And I've done this when
Speaker 6: we saw a color, to be fair, when we saw
Speaker 6: a color that we really liked right on a house
Speaker 6: and just went up, knocked on the door and went,
Speaker 6: love that color. Do you mind sharing with us what
Speaker 6: it is? And in the same way that if someone's
Speaker 6: recently had a fence done, and ideally the contract should
Speaker 6: leave their name on it if they're proud of their work.
Speaker 6: The other option is if you go to your local
Speaker 6: hardware store, particularly if it's a smaller one, go down
Speaker 6: to the trade desk there. In some cases people will
Speaker 6: leave their cards. So one of the trade places that
Speaker 6: I go to on the wall, there'll be a pile
Speaker 6: of business cards, right, and then you can always talk
Speaker 6: to the people who are there and go, hey, look
Speaker 6: who would you recommend? So I think having a look
Speaker 6: around the area see if someone's done some work that
Speaker 6: you like. Actually, I was talking with friend this week
Speaker 6: and they had someone come and do some fencing at
Speaker 6: their place ahead of a new build, and whoever it
Speaker 6: was had decided pretty much to leave their tape measure
Speaker 6: at home. So when they looked at the finished product,
Speaker 6: the posts were all at different centers. So some posts
Speaker 6: were like two meters apart and then another one was
Speaker 6: up to two point seven meters apart, and then oh
Speaker 6: so yeah, don't get that fencing contractor no.
Speaker 10: I have another quick question. Sure you know the Healthy
Speaker 10: Home standard, Yes, installation does it just have to be
Speaker 10: in the ceiling or does it have to be under
Speaker 10: floor as well?
Speaker 6: The requirement is for it to be in the ceiling
Speaker 6: and in the underfloor if they are accessible, so it's
Speaker 6: quite clear. So if for example, it's unsafe or impractical
Speaker 6: or impossible to get underneath the floor, which is the
Speaker 6: case in some houses, then there's no requirement to do it.
Speaker 6: I think if you were to do what let's say
Speaker 6: the house is one hundred square meters, so thousand square foot,
Speaker 6: it would be probably a couple of grand to do
Speaker 6: the underfloor and about the same to do the ceiling.
Speaker 6: What is out there at the moment, which I'm surprised
Speaker 6: is still around, is there are some quite good subsidies
Speaker 6: at the moment. So again, if you just doing an
Speaker 6: Internet search for insulation subsidy or insulation upgrade or something
Speaker 6: like that, undoubtedly you'll strike on this. And I know
Speaker 6: again I was at a function the other day talking
Speaker 6: with a few people and they'd had their house insulated
Speaker 6: and had been able to use the subsidy and it
Speaker 6: was really cheap basically, so not a bad time to
Speaker 6: do it. There's still subsidies out there for retrafftingulation, no
Speaker 6: trouble at all.
Speaker 9: Thank you.
Speaker 6: Actually, that's giving me an idea. Thank you very much, Donna,
Speaker 6: much appreciated. Take care. And I just going back to
Speaker 6: the question about finding a contractor, I reckon that's not
Speaker 6: a bad way of doing it. One is, obviously to
Speaker 6: find work that's been done recently that looks like it's
Speaker 6: been done professionally. The other way of doing it is
Speaker 6: to go to hardware stores or a timber merchant. Maybe
Speaker 6: go down the back if it's a large, big barn
Speaker 6: type store, go down to the trade store, find someone
Speaker 6: who looks like they've worked there for a little while,
Speaker 6: and go, look, I'm looking for a contractor who could
Speaker 6: come and give me a quote for that. And they'll
Speaker 6: know who's good basically, they'll know whose work is tidy,
Speaker 6: they'll know who's work sufficient. They'll know who pays their
Speaker 6: bills on time, which is always a good sign, and
Speaker 6: that might be the best person to get. But yeah,
Speaker 6: my friend's had a bit of a shock when they
Speaker 6: looked at the fence and realized that whoever done the
Speaker 6: work had just kind of randomly set out the post.
Speaker 6: Maybe there was something in the way or a tree
Speaker 6: stump or something like that. But you'd be a little
Speaker 6: bit peeved. I suspect, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 6: The lines are open for you. As I mentioned, we've
Speaker 6: got Bryce McDermott, our painting expert from Razine, joining us
Speaker 6: in about an hour's time after eight o'clock, which I
Speaker 6: know is still a wee way away. We're going to
Speaker 6: be talking. Take a deep dive into solar, which we've
Speaker 6: never done to my recollection on the show. So solar panels,
Speaker 6: how do they work? What's the upside, what's the potential downside,
Speaker 6: what's the durability, what's the performance?
Speaker 11: Like?
Speaker 6: Is having a battery a good idea? How do you
Speaker 6: get them installed? All of these things will go through
Speaker 6: in detail with Marlon from Lightful Solar, who'll be joining
Speaker 6: me after eight o'clock this morning. So that's a long
Speaker 6: winded way of saying, now is a really good time
Speaker 6: to call. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
Speaker 6: to call? Lines are open for you right now. Eight
Speaker 6: hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call text
Speaker 6: on this whole thing around the insallation. So this is insallation.
Speaker 6: Let's say for healthy Homes standards morning, I have pumped
Speaker 6: mattress like insight oh so like a fiber essentially done
Speaker 6: about twenty years ago in the ceiling for insulation. Do
Speaker 6: I have to replace this to upgrade to current insulation standards?
Speaker 6: Sometimes twenty years ago it might be worth just testing
Speaker 6: it to see what material it is and testing it
Speaker 6: to make sure that there's nothing hazardous in it. If
Speaker 6: it's not hazardous and it's been blown in. What will
Speaker 6: happen over time is it will settle, and as it settles,
Speaker 6: it lose it loses its effectiveness, its performance as an insulator.
Speaker 6: But everything that I've read would suggest that unless you
Speaker 6: really really want to, there's no actual requirement to remove it,
Speaker 6: you're better off leaving it there because it will still
Speaker 6: achieve some are value that you know, maybe when it
Speaker 6: went in it achieved one point eight or something like that.
Speaker 6: Now it's settled a bit, it might achieve one one
Speaker 6: or something similar. So the best thing to do, if
Speaker 6: it's not hazardous, it's not toxic in some way, then
Speaker 6: leave it there and simply lay new insulation over the
Speaker 6: top of it. So you take the benefit that you've
Speaker 6: already got of the existing insulation and add more to
Speaker 6: it to bring it up to standard. Bearing in mind
Speaker 6: that the current standard for the Building Code, if you
Speaker 6: take the what they call a schedule method, so you
Speaker 6: just go to the table in the building Code and
Speaker 6: go right, what's my ceiling insulation. It's got to be
Speaker 6: R six point six. That's the requirement across the country
Speaker 6: for every single ceiling. Personally, professionally, I think that's absurd
Speaker 6: and I can't find anyone who knows anything about building
Speaker 6: science that goes, actually R six point six is a
Speaker 6: real advantage even in colder climbs. Anything above R five
Speaker 6: typically is actually not really adding a great deal more benefit.
Speaker 6: I don't know where they got the R six point
Speaker 6: six from. I know that it freaked out the industry.
Speaker 6: And because basically to get our six point six into
Speaker 6: a ceiling space, you need to have about three hundred
Speaker 6: millimeters of space. And if you think about a traditional
Speaker 6: truss that comes down with a top cord running over
Speaker 6: the top plate, you might only have one hundred millimeters
Speaker 6: of space there, in which case you either have to
Speaker 6: have these funky heel trusses where suddenly you're pushing up
Speaker 6: the top cord much higher to try and get your
Speaker 6: insulation right to the outside, or you do a discount
Speaker 6: for saying, actually, I don't necessarily need three hundred millimeters
Speaker 6: around the perimeter. That can be less, but and then
Speaker 6: it kind of balances out with more insulation in other places.
Speaker 6: But basically the schedule method, they should have just ditched
Speaker 6: this schedule method and said you've either got to do
Speaker 6: calculation or modeling for your thermal performance of a renovation
Speaker 6: or a new build, get rid of the schedule method.
Speaker 6: But that's it's another hobby horse that I like to
Speaker 6: ride from time to time. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
Speaker 6: eighty is the number to call. If you've got a
Speaker 6: question of a building nature, you are more than welcome
Speaker 6: to call. We're talking about insulation, we're talking about finding contractors,
Speaker 6: and in fact that might be something we'll talk about
Speaker 6: a little bit with Bryce, our painting expert, Because, to
Speaker 6: be fair, across the country, contractors, builders, plumbers, electricians, train layers, painters,
Speaker 6: everyone involved in the building trade is not as busy
Speaker 6: as they have been. So if you're in a position
Speaker 6: where you've got a project and you can fund it
Speaker 6: right now, now's not a bad time to be going
Speaker 6: out to the market looking for definitely more competitive prices
Speaker 6: and even margins basically being squeezed. It's not necessarily a
Speaker 6: great situation. But if you're a person that wants to
Speaker 6: get a project done and you looked at doing it
Speaker 6: a couple of years ago and were put off by
Speaker 6: kind of where labor rates were, where margins were, how
Speaker 6: difficult it was to get a contractor. Seriously, now's not
Speaker 6: a bad time to be looking for a contractor a
Speaker 6: couple of quick texts as well. Hey Pete, I've got
Speaker 6: the existing tiled bathroom. I want to retile it. Obviously
Speaker 6: it'll need to be waterproofed in the shower the existing one.
Speaker 6: Does it require a building consent? I would say that
Speaker 6: if it's an existing tiled bathroom and you're not going
Speaker 6: to change the shape of it, it's already got a
Speaker 6: waterproof membrane there, and it's got tiles affixed to the
Speaker 6: floor into the walls for example. Obviously, when you pull
Speaker 6: those tiles off, you're going to damage the existing waterproofing,
Speaker 6: which means that you'll need to either replace the waterproofing
Speaker 6: or go over the waterproofing. I actually wonder whether, given
Speaker 6: that there's already one, let's presume that the work already
Speaker 6: had a building consent, then you could argue that it's
Speaker 6: like for like, and that would that's permissible and to
Speaker 6: schedule one. So I'd say, if it's an existing tiled
Speaker 6: shower and it's got waterproofing there and you take the
Speaker 6: tiles off redo the waterproofing, I don't know that you
Speaker 6: would necessarily require a building consent essentially for maintenance. Oh
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call. Hey, Sarah,
Speaker 6: good morning, good morning. Now are you I'm very well?
Speaker 6: Thank you? How can I help?
Speaker 11: Please?
Speaker 12: Do you tell me I have tried it scrubbing that
Speaker 12: my cat has been coming in. My cat's been coming
Speaker 12: in my window right, and here's to jump the front.
Speaker 12: Paws fell on the brick wall.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the window still which is bricked, and they're dirty
Speaker 9: footprints on the brick wall.
Speaker 12: Is there in special please.
Speaker 6: Or so essentially it'll be a little bit of dirt
Speaker 6: and someone that's that's accumulated there under the poor prints
Speaker 6: of your cat. I would think that a standard exterior
Speaker 6: house wash like a and there's there's a bunch of
Speaker 6: them on the market, and so you just do a
Speaker 6: pre application of that, so it soak the area with
Speaker 6: house wash and then wash it off. Maybe not even
Speaker 6: with a water blaster. You could just agitate with a
Speaker 6: stiff broom and then rinse off with water and that
Speaker 6: would probably do it. There are like often brick layers
Speaker 6: will use spirit assaults or hydrochloric acid to clean down
Speaker 6: brickwork when they finish, but that's more about removing the cement.
Speaker 6: The semonititious material. So I think in your case, where
Speaker 6: it's just regular build up of grime because that's where
Speaker 6: the cat comes in and out of the house, then
Speaker 6: I would say just a regular exterior house. Wash, agitate
Speaker 6: and rinse. That'll job done, no trouble at all. You
Speaker 6: have a good day, all the best. Then in through
Speaker 6: the window. So obviously you no cat door. I'm thinking
Speaker 6: we've got a cat at home as well. Put a
Speaker 6: cat door in in and out. Well no, actually, a
Speaker 6: cat's decided now that it's much more fun to sit
Speaker 6: on the window sill and looking through the window and
Speaker 6: wait for us to come and open the window, rather
Speaker 6: than wandering another five and a half meters and then
Speaker 6: through the cat flap. Seems to be his latest party trick.
Speaker 6: Morning Peak. I've got a nineteen eighties dwelling with hardy
Speaker 6: plank cladding. The corner soakas are rusting. They've been nailed
Speaker 6: down under the plank above, so we can't remove them.
Speaker 6: What are our options please from Chrissy. What I would
Speaker 6: do is you remove the rusted area, not too aggressively
Speaker 6: because you don't want to go through the soka or
Speaker 6: something like that. You can apply a rust converter which
Speaker 6: will neutralize the rust and then top it with an
Speaker 6: appropriate primer so you can get rust killed. Primers basically
Speaker 6: do that and then overcoat with your top coat thereafter,
Speaker 6: good little task to do actually, and I know getting
Speaker 6: them out is difficult, right he Oh, we're almost seven o'clock.
Speaker 6: We've got news sport and whether we'll come back with
Speaker 6: more of your calls straight after the news. You can
Speaker 6: call us now on eight hundred and eighteen eighty. Your
Speaker 6: up as a little bit of music, why not.
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Speaker 6: Your news talks the b and Pete Wolf camp with
Speaker 6: you this morning. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
Speaker 6: is the number to call quick text Actually, Pete, how
Speaker 6: do kitchen fan exhaust get cleaned? You know someone who
Speaker 6: loves cooking, and obviously if you're cooking particularly certain types
Speaker 6: of food. There might be lots of oils and fats
Speaker 6: and that sort of thing. It's it's not really the fan.
Speaker 6: There's always if you look inside at your extractor, there'll
Speaker 6: be some drop down filters that will come out and
Speaker 6: they can be cleaned. I've typically, when I've got round
Speaker 6: to doing it, and I probably don't do it often enough,
Speaker 6: I'll take the filters out. I'll use like a de
Speaker 6: greaser went and forget and worked well for me, and
Speaker 6: then I'll soak them for a period of time. Some
Speaker 6: of them you can put in the dishwasher and use
Speaker 6: the cycle of the dishwasher to clean them out. I
Speaker 6: probably would put them in on their own and then
Speaker 6: put them back in, and it is they are way
Speaker 6: more effective. It doesn't take much to clean them, and
Speaker 6: it's way more effective when you do. Hey. Another quack
Speaker 6: text as well, pete looking for good Tradeye try visiting
Speaker 6: the local RSA great place to find out who's the
Speaker 6: best and how to contact them. Cheers from Phil interesting
Speaker 6: thought to be fair? Why not?
Speaker 7: Hey?
Speaker 6: Another quick text Morning, We've got nineteen eighties Lockwood home.
Speaker 6: On the ceiling in the bathroom, there's a black stain
Speaker 6: from the moisture. Could this be sanded to remove? And
Speaker 6: if so, what would be a good coating paint or polyurathane.
Speaker 6: I tell you what I might hold on to that text,
Speaker 6: because that sounds like the perfect question for Brice McDermott,
Speaker 6: our painting expert, who'll be joining us at around seven
Speaker 6: forty five this morning, so Bryce will be around. If
Speaker 6: you've got any specific painting questions, then text them through
Speaker 6: now and I'll put them to one side and we'll
Speaker 6: see what Bryce has to say about a question like that. Oh,
Speaker 6: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 6: Frank A very good morning to you.
Speaker 13: It's good morning, Pete.
Speaker 6: Morning Frank.
Speaker 13: I have a question for you about painting, and I
Speaker 13: also have a thing about the lady that wanted to
Speaker 13: do a bit the fencing. Yeah, no, and okay. In
Speaker 13: one of my flats, which is insulating the top in
Speaker 13: the bottom. I had a phone call the other day
Speaker 13: from the lady that's in there, and she said the
Speaker 13: painting is flaking off the roof in flat in both
Speaker 13: the bedrooms. But it's not flaking in the lounge or
Speaker 13: the kitchen anywhere else. Only in the two bedrooms. And
Speaker 13: I'm wondering if because it's all locked up, something's or what.
Speaker 6: Interesting a place that I look after. And we had
Speaker 6: persistent issues with like it had been relatively recently repainted,
Speaker 6: and yet the paint was starting to peel from the
Speaker 6: ceiling in the bathroom and that ended up being an
Speaker 6: issue around. The extractor was okay, but there was insufficient
Speaker 6: airflow into the bathroom it for it to go efficiently.
Speaker 6: So I ended up going in there drying it thoroughly,
Speaker 6: cleaning it really thoroughly, let that dry completely. Then I
Speaker 6: did pigmented Cela, and then I did two top coats
Speaker 6: of a new water born enamel product, and thus far
Speaker 6: I did that probably almost twelve months ago. It's lasted
Speaker 6: quite well, so I think for you and I'll run
Speaker 6: it past Bryce as well. In those bedrooms, it'd be
Speaker 6: interesting to go up and see what condition the insulations in.
Speaker 6: It'd be interesting to know whether there might be a
Speaker 6: slow leak or something like that that's that's making that
Speaker 6: area a little bit damp. And then and then yeah,
Speaker 6: possibly and it may also be And this is one
Speaker 6: of those things. I was looking at a presentation the
Speaker 6: other day just around the need to ventilate our houses.
Speaker 6: That it seems like somewhere along the line, we've kind
Speaker 6: of forgotten what our parents did. Maybe you and I,
Speaker 6: who are slightly older, still remember this. But you know,
Speaker 6: any any opportunity, if the day was halfway decent, you
Speaker 6: just open the windows, open the house up, let fresh
Speaker 6: air into the house, on as many opportunities as you can.
Speaker 6: And seemingly these days people just don't tend to do
Speaker 6: that as much.
Speaker 13: So that if they heat the bedrooms up in the
Speaker 13: cold weather and close up everything.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look that sensible at night because you
Speaker 6: want to retain the heat. But you know, on a
Speaker 6: on a if you're in Auckland, the last couple of
Speaker 6: days have been beautiful, right, We've had the back doors open,
Speaker 6: just allowing some ventilation, and then as as soon as
Speaker 6: you can feel the temperature change inside the house, you go, okay,
Speaker 6: well now it's time to close it up. I want
Speaker 6: to keep that. I want to retain that heat that
Speaker 6: I've built up during the day, but that that positive
Speaker 6: benefit by having some airflow and some ventilation is huge.
Speaker 6: And the other thing is, look, maybe it's just old
Speaker 6: paint work and it's just reached the end of its life,
Speaker 6: and perhaps the lounge was painted later. It's kind of
Speaker 6: hard to know, but I would check the insulation, I
Speaker 6: would check the ventilation, see how they're using the room,
Speaker 6: and then if you do go and repaint it. I'd
Speaker 6: be really inclined to use a pigmented seiler as you
Speaker 6: first come. Yeah good, can't go wrong.
Speaker 13: At the same flats, I had a fence blow down
Speaker 13: in the storm. Oh yeah, And I looked up and
Speaker 13: I found a ground that under landscaping and fencing and
Speaker 13: they were not that far away from it. So we're
Speaker 13: in you know, Papakura area, And I rang up and
Speaker 13: got the manager there isn't it. It was Board of
Speaker 13: Fencing and he sent a couple of guys out to
Speaker 13: have a look at it. And the next couple of
Speaker 13: days he rang me with a quote and I accepted it.
Speaker 13: He sent them around. They did a fantastic job. But
Speaker 13: the best part of the whole deal was the cost.
Speaker 13: It wasn't over cost, and I heavy shone number if
Speaker 13: the lady would like it. I looked up his card
Speaker 13: that they had given me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, brilliant. I'll tell you what. I'll pass you back
Speaker 6: to Tyler, my producer and tyra rather and if you
Speaker 6: could just leave the number and if that other caller
Speaker 6: wants to call back, if they're in the same roughly
Speaker 6: the same region, that's great because I recommendations like that
Speaker 6: firsthand are the best possible recommendations you can get.
Speaker 13: So that's great, And I'll listen to the painting question
Speaker 13: when a painter comes in. Absolutely, thank you very much.
Speaker 6: My pleasure. Have a great day, Frank, all the very best.
Speaker 6: Take care, Bobby quick texts before the break morning, Pete.
Speaker 6: We've got a twenty year old plus corrogated fiberglass roofing
Speaker 6: on a pergola that we want to replace. Bits of
Speaker 6: the fiberglass appear to be coming out. The role was
Speaker 6: put on in one piece ten meters long. I'm now
Speaker 6: worried that removing it will flick fiberglass shards into the garden.
Speaker 6: How can it be done safely? Sou from Fanngaparur. Typically,
Speaker 6: let's hope that they're fixed in with screws. So essentially
Speaker 6: I would be getting a decent quality ladder, ideally a
Speaker 6: platform ladder, and then work your way in from one end,
Speaker 6: essentially reaching over, undoing the screws, starting to roll the
Speaker 6: sheeting back up and then carry on removing the screws,
Speaker 6: rolling the sheet up, removing screws, rolling the sheet up,
Speaker 6: and possibly once the roll gets to a certain size,
Speaker 6: you might just want to run a sharp knife through
Speaker 6: it and probably just cut straight through it take that down.
Speaker 6: The other thing is, if you are worried about fiberglass
Speaker 6: shards going into the garden, is to put drop sheets
Speaker 6: or mesh down into the garden so that anything that
Speaker 6: does fall outside of the area that you're working in
Speaker 6: you can simply collect that up in a drop sheet
Speaker 6: and then shake that out, collect that up and dispose
Speaker 6: of that as well. And just by the way, that
Speaker 6: sort of roll roofing material is still available now. So
Speaker 6: of course the benefit of it is is that let's
Speaker 6: say you've got a six meter wide veranda, you can
Speaker 6: buy a six meter roll. If it's a ten meter one,
Speaker 6: you can get a ten meter roll. As I understand it,
Speaker 6: I've never installed it myself, but it just means that
Speaker 6: you don't have all those joins, which is actually a
Speaker 6: pretty nifty idea. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 6: the number to call if you've got a question of
Speaker 6: a building nature get in now, because to be fair.
Speaker 6: At around seven forty five we're going to be talking painting,
Speaker 6: and after eight o'clock we're going to take a deep
Speaker 6: dive into solar panels. So if you've got a question,
Speaker 6: you should give us a call right now. Oh eight
Speaker 6: hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call. I
Speaker 6: made a comment earlier in the program, just around I'd
Speaker 6: spent a couple of days at Building Z, which was
Speaker 6: a kind of real trade focused building exhibition number, and
Speaker 6: they do a number of seminars which was interesting. They
Speaker 6: had a number of people who were like CEOs of
Speaker 6: large building companies like south Base and CMP and who
Speaker 6: else was there one other company as well, talking about
Speaker 6: you know, where the market's at at the moment, and
Speaker 6: the fact that some of those rates that skyrocketed COVID
Speaker 6: and post COVID have started to come down. So I
Speaker 6: made the comment that, hey, look, if you are in
Speaker 6: a position where you can fund a project right now,
Speaker 6: now's not a bad time to be in the market
Speaker 6: looking for pricing and so on. Tony Sex through peak
Speaker 6: as an electrician of nearly forty years, the costs of
Speaker 6: being in business only goes up each year, and now
Speaker 6: I'm getting tire kickers wanting small jobs done cheaply, and
Speaker 6: I expect to work for nothing and give them the
Speaker 6: materials at cost just to get some work at a loss.
Speaker 6: May as well shut up shop, Tony. I agree with you. No,
Speaker 6: you shouldn't be doing jobs at cost, and yes, I
Speaker 6: agree with you. Costs of being in business do seem
Speaker 6: to go up all the time. Compliance costs are going up.
Speaker 6: You know the amount that we know you would have
Speaker 6: paid your GST the other day. All of these sorts
Speaker 6: of things continue, right, So I'm not suggesting that you
Speaker 6: should be doing jobs at below cost, although that happens
Speaker 6: when the market starts to turn effectively, companies are looking
Speaker 6: to just buy work to keep their guys going, to
Speaker 6: keep the doors open. It's not a great situation, and
Speaker 6: it's not surprising that in that environment we get a
Speaker 6: lot of liquidations and we're seeing any number of those
Speaker 6: at the moment. But at the same time, some of
Speaker 6: those crazy rates that were out there again talking to
Speaker 6: a quantity survey who's been on the show, Andy from
Speaker 6: cost Consultants, you know, at one stage square meter rate
Speaker 6: for block work shot up from about four hundred and
Speaker 6: forty bucks a square meter to about eight hundred and
Speaker 6: eighty or eight hundred and sixty dollars a square meter.
Speaker 6: Now that's come back down almost to those you know,
Speaker 6: over time levels. So again that's what I'm talking about,
Speaker 6: that some of those really really high level rates have
Speaker 6: dropped back. One of the guys at the conference on
Speaker 6: the weekend was talking about, you know what you would
Speaker 6: pay typically for structural steel, and they do it on
Speaker 6: a per ton basis, that's dropped considerably, two and a
Speaker 6: half thousand dollars down to about sixteen hundred dollars a
Speaker 6: ton for structural steel. Now, so again I stand by
Speaker 6: my point. Now is not a bad time. And you know,
Speaker 6: if the government was half way smart, now's not a
Speaker 6: bad time to carry on doing some of those building projects.
Speaker 6: All those schools that need work, gets some very sharp
Speaker 6: pricing right now. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 6: then I'm going to call Charlie.
Speaker 9: Good morning, Hi, good morning, how are you good?
Speaker 6: Things good?
Speaker 9: I just wanted to ask you a question I've been living.
Speaker 9: I book my little apartment in two thousand and four,
Speaker 9: and I think the building was built in the late seventies.
Speaker 9: What I'm trying to ask is that in my shower
Speaker 9: they had a new head shower put in, but they
Speaker 9: didn't cover the hole in the wall when the shower
Speaker 9: comes out of and I'm just wondering if I'm going
Speaker 9: to get rot in there.
Speaker 6: Certainly, if in the shower area they haven't sealed around
Speaker 6: the penetrations, then I would say, yeah, that's poor workmanship. Basically,
Speaker 6: I mean, you don't want holes and gaps around where
Speaker 6: fittings are changed. Now, if it's around the actual shower rows,
Speaker 6: then you've got the shower rows coming out of the wall,
Speaker 6: and then the head is that, so you're not practically speaking,
Speaker 6: you're not going to get a lot of moisture going
Speaker 6: back right. It's the showers aiming downwards right, So to
Speaker 6: get water to go uphill, you'd have to be splashing
Speaker 6: around in there quite vigorously. I would have thought to
Speaker 6: get it to go uphill, But same thing. It's not
Speaker 6: a great thing. And in a bathroom area, which is
Speaker 6: typically a fairly damp space with a lot of internal moisture,
Speaker 6: you don't want openings that allow moisture to penetrate into
Speaker 6: the building envelope, into the actual inside of the wall.
Speaker 6: So ideally you'd either, and it might be as simple
Speaker 6: as taking the fitting off because there'll be a threaded connection,
Speaker 6: and then putting a flange over there that seals the penetration,
Speaker 6: and then putting the fitting back on. You probably want
Speaker 6: to get a plumber to do that, but that's the
Speaker 6: sort of thing. And then you know, overall, I think
Speaker 6: bathroom's really important that we've got ventilation and extraction into bathrooms.
Speaker 6: And I actually think that having some heat in a
Speaker 6: bathroom just to keep the temperature up helps mold at bay.
Speaker 6: So even the temperature that you get from a heated
Speaker 6: towel rail, I know they can seem like a bit
Speaker 6: of a luxury item, but having a heated towel rail
Speaker 6: in a bathroom just keeps the temperature up, and I
Speaker 6: think that keeps the mold at bay as well.
Speaker 14: I've got issue.
Speaker 9: You got a head to rail?
Speaker 6: Yeah, and do you typically just leave it on or
Speaker 6: do you only use it only?
Speaker 9: I actually turn it on when I put towels on
Speaker 9: meat dry, So that's once every evening, I suppose.
Speaker 6: Yes. I mean, look, I tell you what's what is
Speaker 6: actually quite useful too for heated towel rails, Because you know,
Speaker 6: I'm going to counter what I just said, which is
Speaker 6: they're great to have there because they keep the temperature
Speaker 6: up in the bathroom, but also if it's you're using
Speaker 6: energy when you don't necessarily need it. A lot of them.
Speaker 6: Now you can add a timer to them, so for example,
Speaker 6: it'll turn on let's say five o'clock in the morning
Speaker 6: till eight o'clock, so that if you have a shower
Speaker 6: in the morning, your towels will be nice and warm,
Speaker 6: and then it won't run for the rest of the
Speaker 6: day and you might set it to turn on again
Speaker 6: in the evening, and that that's a much more efficient
Speaker 6: use of it. And these these sorts of timers are
Speaker 6: relatively easy to install. Now your electrician will know about them.
Speaker 9: Fantastic.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no trouble at all. H You have a great day.
Speaker 6: Chae all very best. Take care by you A news talks.
Speaker 6: It is seven twenty six, eight hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 6: eighty is the number to call morning peak. My apartment
Speaker 6: roof space is only about four hundred milimeters deep. I
Speaker 6: want to change my bathroom extractor fan, but in the
Speaker 6: roof space I can only see the tubing, so there's
Speaker 6: no actual fan or motor in sight. Let's assume that
Speaker 6: there is one there. It might be located midway, which
Speaker 6: is not that useful in terms of getting to it
Speaker 6: to upgrade it or to repair it later on. Like
Speaker 6: if it's located, let's say it's a five meter run
Speaker 6: from the intake in the bathroom to the exhaust on
Speaker 6: the exterior of the bill. Let's hope that it does
Speaker 6: exhaust to the exterior of the building. And if you
Speaker 6: do an inline fan and you locate it midway, but
Speaker 6: there's no way of servicing it. I the only way
Speaker 6: to get to it is cut a hole in the ceiling.
Speaker 6: That's not great design. I found. Now with apartments, there's
Speaker 6: a lot more services engineering goes on, so you know, durability, maintenance,
Speaker 6: replacement is all sort of designed in. You might not
Speaker 6: get that, but that's a real challenge if you if
Speaker 6: you can't see any motor. I presume that there's a switch,
Speaker 6: right if you turn the switch on, can you hear something?
Speaker 6: And if you can hear something, then there's got to
Speaker 6: be a motor there somewhere, in which case, now it's
Speaker 6: a question of finding it. And ideally you'd want a
Speaker 6: minimum of one hundred and fifty miliducting and ideally semi
Speaker 6: rigid rather than flexible. I think they're more efficient and
Speaker 6: if it's a longer run, possibly even two fans to
Speaker 6: ensure that the extraction works well. Oh eight hundred and
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty the number to call Brian. A very
Speaker 6: good morning to you. Good things.
Speaker 8: Hey, I have talked to you before and have listened
Speaker 8: through your chats about instlations. So we did have the
Speaker 8: under floor installation done. We've got obviously up and the
Speaker 8: roofing area probably still got to do. The moisture brea
Speaker 8: has still yet to be done, but we've still got
Speaker 8: quite a bad condensation. We're up here in tor Bay
Speaker 8: and Auckland and I'm just wondering because we have got
Speaker 8: a moisture master as well, but it doesn't really seem
Speaker 8: to be working that well. I'm just we're just thinking
Speaker 8: about going to either a DVS or HRV is maybe
Speaker 8: a better solution. Do you have any comments about that?
Speaker 8: I know you don't typically dismiss products per se, you
Speaker 8: may have a bit of a bend towards one versus
Speaker 8: the other type of thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think again, if you do a little bit
Speaker 6: of reading, you'll find now that there are. There's actually
Speaker 6: a whole heap of information now around ventilation systems. And
Speaker 6: the reason it's become more and more important essentially, and
Speaker 6: why there's more discussion about them is that increasingly, as
Speaker 6: we build, we're building much more air tight buildings. Right, So,
Speaker 6: if you're doing a and this isn't talking about necessarily
Speaker 6: passive house, where that's the intent of passive houses to
Speaker 6: make the building air tight and you can do blower
Speaker 6: door tests on it and those sorts of things. This
Speaker 6: is just in general if you're building specifically, if you're
Speaker 6: doing like a rigid air barrier, whether that's a ply
Speaker 6: word or an OSB board or a fiveber cement sheet
Speaker 6: or whatever. If you're doing a rigid air barrier, you're
Speaker 6: taping all the joints, you're putting in decent quality joinery,
Speaker 6: you're doing an air seal around the perimeter of the joinery.
Speaker 6: We're making our houses reasonably air tight, still a way
Speaker 6: to go to be genuinely air tight, but pretty good.
Speaker 6: And then in those situations there if you're completely reliant
Speaker 6: just on opening windows for ventilation, then on those times
Speaker 6: when you don't open the windows, you are going to
Speaker 6: have problems with internal moisture and so on. So there's
Speaker 6: that's long way of saying there's a lot of information
Speaker 6: out there at the moment, and a lot of that
Speaker 6: focuses on systems that draw fresh air from outside, circulate
Speaker 6: it through a heat exchanger, and then push it into
Speaker 6: dry areas of the house, so living rooms, bedrooms, and
Speaker 6: then the intakes for that system are from what we
Speaker 6: typically call wet areas or moist areas, so kitchens, bathrooms,
Speaker 6: laundries and so that way, it's almost like a balanced pressure.
Speaker 6: So there's air being driven into the house, and then
Speaker 6: it's being extracted from those areas where we want to
Speaker 6: remove that moist air, and then it's being expelled to
Speaker 6: the exterior. So I have an older one of those systems,
Speaker 6: it's not like that. So I'm drawing air from the
Speaker 6: roof space and it's essentially being pushed into the house,
Speaker 6: and then it relies on my house leaking air, which
Speaker 6: it does because it's a nineteen oh five villa, right,
Speaker 6: there's gaps and cracks everywhere despite my best efforts to
Speaker 6: put insulation in. So that system is drawing air from
Speaker 6: the roof space, pushing it into the house, and then
Speaker 6: it's basically leaking out. It's not a terribly efficient way
Speaker 6: of doing it right. It relies on a house leaking air.
Speaker 6: So again, if we look, if I was in your situation,
Speaker 6: I was looking at upgrading, I would want something that
Speaker 6: drew air, fresh air from outside, filtered it, possibly went
Speaker 6: through a heat exchange, and then extracted it in a
Speaker 6: very deliberate manner to exterior. Again, that will make a
Speaker 6: big difference.
Speaker 8: Okay, so do you want do you want to drop
Speaker 8: us the name of someone that does that?
Speaker 6: Look if you want to go top quality. Then I
Speaker 6: talked to Steeble Oltron, who actually have a showroom in
Speaker 6: Barry's Point Road. I was talking with Grant, who's one
Speaker 6: of the owners or works there at Building Z on
Speaker 6: the weekend or during the week. Rather the other systems,
Speaker 6: I've noticed they've started to expand the scope of what
Speaker 6: they do to include I guess if I was looking,
Speaker 6: I would be My criteria would be does it draw
Speaker 6: fresh air from outside? Does it expel to outside? And
Speaker 6: I think if it's not doing that, then you're talking
Speaker 6: about a system that pushes air into your building and
Speaker 6: relies on the building leaking to get rid of it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, house was built in ninety five.
Speaker 5: House was built in ninety five.
Speaker 8: So what was the name?
Speaker 6: Yeah, on Various Point Road in Takapuna, so not too
Speaker 6: far from you as well. And then Zender is another
Speaker 6: really top quality system. But you know, it was like
Speaker 6: I went out to a basically a low carbon house
Speaker 6: that was built the other day and they had a
Speaker 6: very very you know, well designed, well installed ventilation system
Speaker 6: and it was key to the performance of that house
Speaker 6: given how airtight the house was. Which won't be your house.
Speaker 8: So no, that's right.
Speaker 6: No, I'm not denigrating your house. I'm just that's and
Speaker 6: this is where again it's fascinating. If you do a
Speaker 6: blower door test, which is a device where you essentially
Speaker 6: close all the doors and windows, seal up things like
Speaker 6: extractor fans and outlets, and then in the front door
Speaker 6: or in a door, you install a blower and you
Speaker 6: push air into the house and you can measure how
Speaker 6: many air exchanges, so you calculate the volume of the house.
Speaker 6: It's a cubic meterage, and then you push air into
Speaker 6: it and you can measure how many air exchanges per
Speaker 6: hour you might have. And most New Zealand houses might
Speaker 6: be around nine to ten air exchanges per hour, which
Speaker 6: means the house is basically just leaking air. A new
Speaker 6: build done without too much attention to air tightness and
Speaker 6: all the rest of it might achieve five or six.
Speaker 6: If you want to focus on air tightness, you might
Speaker 6: get that down to two or three. And if you're
Speaker 6: looking for passive, how standard you're at about I think
Speaker 6: it's about point six or something like that. Yeah, So
Speaker 6: it's interesting numbers.
Speaker 8: Yes, so quick questions and HIV. They don't draw in
Speaker 8: fresh air and expel them out.
Speaker 6: Some of some of these systems do so.
Speaker 8: Again, if because we're not because we're not looking for
Speaker 8: top of the line, we're just looking for something that's
Speaker 8: a general price, a good system.
Speaker 6: And to be fair, anything is better than nothing. Right,
Speaker 6: let's start there. Let's be practicing anything's better than nothing.
Speaker 6: But ideally, and like I say, I think both of
Speaker 6: those companies have moved to systems now where they're drawing
Speaker 6: from outside and pushing it to outside, and that's really
Speaker 6: really important.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and they reasonably cost effective to run doing the
Speaker 8: heat exchange of things. I thought they were quite they
Speaker 8: could they could lift your electricity price up reasonably well.
Speaker 6: The idea of the heat exchange is that it extracts
Speaker 6: heat from the warm air that's being expelled from the house, right,
Speaker 6: So some of those systems add heating elements to the ducting. Again,
Speaker 6: unless the ducting itself is insulated, then you're actually if
Speaker 6: you're adding heat at one point and it's traveling along
Speaker 6: a standard piece of flexible ducting and coming out five
Speaker 6: meters away, and that ducting is uninsulated, I suspect that
Speaker 6: most of the heat that you've generated will be lost
Speaker 6: by the time it gets to the outlet. So again,
Speaker 6: if they are saying it's got a heating element to it,
Speaker 6: you'd expect to see insulated ducting.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, all right, probably.
Speaker 6: More questions than answers, but I again, oh, drawing from
Speaker 6: outside expelling to outside, that would be my minimum.
Speaker 8: Yep, great stuff, an.
Speaker 6: All the best, Take care B. You a new stork,
Speaker 6: se B do we Yeah, we should take a break.
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Speaker 6: The'd be Bryce coming up after the break, but right
Speaker 6: now we're taking your calls. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 6: ten eighty is the number to call, Actually just quick
Speaker 6: text that's just popped in. Is there a rule of
Speaker 6: thumb for the ratio of the number of guttering ie
Speaker 6: downpipes for the roof size? Yes there is, but you're
Speaker 6: off the top of my head. I think it's about
Speaker 6: sixty square meters, but I just go and check on
Speaker 6: the building code. But yes, there is a guidance there
Speaker 6: as to the side of the down pipes for the
Speaker 6: catchment area and the number of down pipes as well.
Speaker 6: Owen a very good morning to you.
Speaker 5: Oh, good morning, paint morning. I just wanted to ask.
Speaker 5: I've got a painted long run roof and in one
Speaker 5: section particularly, the nails are sort of loosening off it.
Speaker 5: You can bang them back down and to loosen back
Speaker 5: off again. I'm told the danger is if I try
Speaker 5: and put them out, you know, putting a bar under there.
Speaker 5: I can leave a dent there, which just accentuates issues
Speaker 5: if as far as you know, maybe water getting in
Speaker 5: and so sort of a double question one is is
Speaker 5: there a way I can get those out without damaging
Speaker 5: out and even replace them with screws or bigger nails
Speaker 5: or whatever. And the other one is which paint if
Speaker 5: they're starting to just deteriorate it, but you know, not
Speaker 5: correate a little bit of just around in the hles,
Speaker 5: but the rest.
Speaker 6: Of the roof is actually reasonable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and I could just repaint that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, is it corrugated iron? It's that profile or is
Speaker 6: it a different profile.
Speaker 5: It's sort of a long run sort of a profile
Speaker 5: on it rather than a.
Speaker 6: Wavy Okay, all right, yep, I.
Speaker 5: Thought it was color steel, but someone took a lock
Speaker 5: it and goes no paint.
Speaker 6: That's all right. Yeah. Look, the key to it is
Speaker 6: having like obviously there's pearlins that run. The pearlins are
Speaker 6: underneath the iron, right, and that's where the nails are
Speaker 6: fixed down into. So what you want to do is
Speaker 6: put a block into that trough next to where the
Speaker 6: nail is and then get either a crowbar or a
Speaker 6: lot of roofing guys use two hammers, so you use
Speaker 6: one hammer with the claw to get underneath the nail head,
Speaker 6: and then you hit the face of that hammer with
Speaker 6: the other hammer to drive it in right. So rather
Speaker 6: than try and strike the hammer and get it spot
Speaker 6: on and get underneath the nail, you just put the
Speaker 6: forks either side or either side, tap it in, and
Speaker 6: then leave it onto a block, right, and that should
Speaker 6: stop any damage. The other really nifty tool that I've
Speaker 6: seen that a guy made was a set of vice
Speaker 6: scripts welded to a slide hammer, you know, like a
Speaker 6: what panel Beyters used.
Speaker 5: In the back of my mind, yeah, and I've.
Speaker 6: Seen a guy use one, and I thought that's a
Speaker 6: piece of genius. He obviously was able to do a
Speaker 6: little bit of welding, so he got this vice script
Speaker 6: welded it to the sliding part or the shaft of
Speaker 6: a slide hammer, and then he could fasten the vice
Speaker 6: script onto the head and then just slide the weight
Speaker 6: along the shaft and bang pull the nail straight up.
Speaker 6: So The whole point of trying to get the nail
Speaker 6: out as straight as possible is you don't want to
Speaker 6: increase the size of the hole, right, So if you
Speaker 6: are tearing and levering at the nail rather than lifting
Speaker 6: it straight up, if you're pulling it sideways or up
Speaker 6: and down, what you'll do is you'll tear the hole
Speaker 6: that's already through there, and then when you go and
Speaker 6: a replacement in, you'll find that it won't cover all
Speaker 6: of the gap. So yeah, and then look, I did
Speaker 6: it on a little job not that long ago. I
Speaker 6: pulled out a whole bunch of nails. I used a
Speaker 6: block and a crowbar and a hammer to get the
Speaker 6: nails out, pulled them straight up, replaced them with a
Speaker 6: roofing screw that was a little bit longer and the
Speaker 6: slightly wider diameter, And so you could tell that you've
Speaker 6: got good purchase into the perlin. And then around the
Speaker 6: there you can just use some rust cool paint and
Speaker 6: then do a roofing paint over the top.
Speaker 5: Ye cool paint. And then the only that's welding a
Speaker 5: pair of vice grips onto a slide hammer. That's probably
Speaker 5: about the only saying that my welding would be certified.
Speaker 5: You can want to hang off the green canyon on it.
Speaker 6: Your welding sounds a little bit like mine. And given
Speaker 6: that my dad was a welder, he would be horrified
Speaker 6: see the state of some of the welding that I do.
Speaker 6: I should have spent more time in the factory with
Speaker 6: him back in the day. A nice of you to
Speaker 6: call all the best take care of I'm just looking
Speaker 6: at some dramatic pitches out of Germany at the moment. Obviously,
Speaker 6: Euro the UAFA Euro twenty twenty four games are on,
Speaker 6: so Germany is playing Denmark. The match has been suspended
Speaker 6: due to the weather and there is literally golf size
Speaker 6: golf ball size hail crashing down onto the pitch, so
Speaker 6: the fans are desperately trying to stay dry, but the
Speaker 6: players have actually been removed from the pitch such as
Speaker 6: the weather. I guess it'll wow. There's some dramatic pictures anyway,
Speaker 6: Love and the football. I got to say, it's a
Speaker 6: bad excuse to stay up when you wake at four
Speaker 6: o'clock in the morning and just watch football. I even
Speaker 6: went and bought myself a brand new flag. My old
Speaker 6: Dutch flag was as well worn and maybe just a
Speaker 6: little bit small. So I've gone out and brought a
Speaker 6: significantly bigger Dutch flag that I can fly when the
Speaker 6: Dutch team are playing. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten.
Speaker 6: I know, Actually no more calls right now, text messages
Speaker 6: questions for Bryce. We will be talking to Bryce after
Speaker 6: the break news talks'd be and our painting expert Bryce
Speaker 6: McDermott joins us bright nearly, good morning and lovely to
Speaker 6: bump into you the other day building z Ed. Okay, Bryce,
Speaker 6: there we go? Sorry, mate, there we go? Got you now? Hey,
Speaker 6: nice pumping into you at Buildiing z Ed. Hello. Ah,
Speaker 6: now hang on, I'll tell you what. Just stay on
Speaker 6: the line. I might just get rid of that and
Speaker 6: we'll do it that way. Bryce, have we got there?
Speaker 11: We go?
Speaker 6: Got you now? Sorry mate, I'm for some reason with
Speaker 6: conference I couldn't bring you up there. He really nice
Speaker 6: to catch up with you at Builldiing z Ed And
Speaker 6: I know the razine stand was there? Great location, smack
Speaker 6: bang on the corner. There lots of people to chat to.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and squarely into people wandering around with crauisine umbrellas.
Speaker 6: Fair. I had a couple of people come up to
Speaker 6: me and go, I hear these umbrellas. Where do I
Speaker 6: go to the umbrellas?
Speaker 11: Umbrellas are so popular?
Speaker 6: Go around see when mat bryce He'll give you one,
Speaker 6: No problem at all. Oh, how brilliant. I just hit
Speaker 6: of our questions today and we've got a bunch of
Speaker 6: them to look at. I mentioned earlier about you know,
Speaker 6: getting trades people perhaps to come and do work now,
Speaker 6: because look, to be fair, things are not always that busy.
Speaker 6: Now is not a bad telling to find trades people.
Speaker 6: Is that kind of your experience.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean there's there's plenty of work that can
Speaker 11: be done, and you know, at this time of the year,
Speaker 11: even though it's cold and horrible as interiors just begging
Speaker 11: to be done, and a little bit of planning and
Speaker 11: stuff like that. You know, you can also booking something
Speaker 11: for later in the year, which normally is a very
Speaker 11: busy time. Everybody decided, right, something done anyway, So call
Speaker 11: the local trade goes and just get them going.
Speaker 6: Yeah, now's a good time to get into it. And
Speaker 6: here we go. Here's the first one. I've stripped down
Speaker 6: window sills back to timber, sanded undercoat and repainted. But
Speaker 6: by next year they've started flaking off and require redoing
Speaker 6: any suggestion. So someone sounds like they've done everything right,
Speaker 6: but obviously something's not working.
Speaker 11: It depends what the timber is. Perhaps if it's a
Speaker 11: native timber like coat matt I something like that, or
Speaker 11: maybe they've used an oil based undercoat, which doesn't generally
Speaker 11: work on that sort of timber. You'd probably be better off
Speaker 11: using a correct undercoat. But I'm just guessing at the moment.
Speaker 6: Yeah, actually similar, and I know that it's it's kind
Speaker 6: of count intuitive, isn't it. Like I'm a little bit
Speaker 6: old fashioned, and I would typically like to use an
Speaker 6: oil based primer if I've got beer timber, especially outside,
Speaker 6: and yet for some types of native timber matt I
Speaker 6: in particular, it doesn't respond well. It just doesn't work.
Speaker 6: So in that case you've got to go for a
Speaker 6: waterborne primer. Yeah.
Speaker 11: So I mean, yeah, you can put the waterbe primer on,
Speaker 11: but if you still, you know, really think that you
Speaker 11: should have an oil based one over the top, you
Speaker 11: can put one over the top of the acrylic inndicate.
Speaker 6: You just need that layer, right, So that first layer
Speaker 6: might have to be waterborne, and then the top layer
Speaker 6: you could then overcoat that with an oil based Yep, okay, awesome,
Speaker 6: similar conversation or similar text message. We've just stripped one
Speaker 6: hundred and ten year old curry villa back down to beer.
Speaker 6: Would timber is an excellent condition? Would you use an
Speaker 6: oil based undercoat or is the razine quick dry the
Speaker 6: best undercoat to use there?
Speaker 11: I would go for a quick dry in same sort
Speaker 11: of confect Yeah. There is a product of ours called
Speaker 11: timber lock as well, which you could use on stripped
Speaker 11: you know, fairly old timber, which is you know, it's
Speaker 11: an oil based product, but it's basically a polyester resin,
Speaker 11: but it helps bind up the timber fibers. You could
Speaker 11: use that and then put the quick dry over the
Speaker 11: top of that. It's just a very very thin timber
Speaker 11: preserve conditioner type thing. So yeah, you could consider that,
Speaker 11: but if it's a really good condition, then the quick
Speaker 11: dry would be absolutely fine.
Speaker 6: Ah. Interesting, Okay, So you would go from beer, you know,
Speaker 6: like and I've done the same thing stripped back the
Speaker 6: house back to beer timber. You'd go in a water
Speaker 6: borne as a primer, and then possibly then go for
Speaker 6: an oil base over the top and then swap back
Speaker 6: to or no, the tell me more about the timberlock
Speaker 6: because it's I'm not terribly familiar with it.
Speaker 11: It's a very thin, watery substance, especially good for old cedar,
Speaker 11: which right my house was it still is, and it
Speaker 11: just just binds up the timber fibers and gives you
Speaker 11: a good surface for painting. It sounds like a bit
Speaker 11: of a misnomer. Don't use oil based on dating timbers.
Speaker 6: Yeah like that.
Speaker 11: But again, if the timber is in really good sound condition,
Speaker 11: then you probably don't need it, right, It's just another
Speaker 11: thing that you know, you can consider it to use.
Speaker 6: Brilliant. Now, someone who wants I want to repaint my
Speaker 6: brick house fair enough, I've got some left over paving paint.
Speaker 6: Can I use this? Thanks for your professional advice. I'll
Speaker 6: leave that one to you.
Speaker 11: Uh, depends on sort of saving paint. If it's an
Speaker 11: old oil based saving paint, I would probably just use
Speaker 11: it for the purpose that it was intended.
Speaker 6: Right, That's a very diplomatic way of putting it. But
Speaker 6: if you did want to paint brick, so it's bear
Speaker 6: exposed brick and you want to do you know, funky
Speaker 6: the house up, make it a bit more modern. So
Speaker 6: if you're painting bear unpainted brick, where do you start.
Speaker 11: Well, if it's not glazed brick, then by giving it
Speaker 11: a good moss and mold treatment and just to get
Speaker 11: all the moss and liking and stuff out of the
Speaker 11: ears of the pointing and things like that. Give it
Speaker 11: a good water blasting after that, and then I would
Speaker 11: go for the good old sure seal.
Speaker 6: Okay, So sure seal is your first coat, yeah, yep.
Speaker 11: And then a couple of coats of Well, there's a
Speaker 11: number of things you can use. You could use a
Speaker 11: good old lumber cider. You could use X two hundred
Speaker 11: if you want a bit more sort of water pressing
Speaker 11: qualities or whether witness as they say, uh yep, start
Speaker 11: with the sure seal and awhere you go.
Speaker 6: If you're painting bricks, would you like, I suppose if
Speaker 6: they're relatively smooth, you know, like the old fashioned clinker
Speaker 6: bricks would be really hard to paint. But a traditional
Speaker 6: sort of commons, right, a standard brick roller and then
Speaker 6: cut in the joints or just a really fluffy roller
Speaker 6: and that'll get into all the water joints.
Speaker 11: Yeah, one of those big huge lambs will sleep.
Speaker 6: Right, okay.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and you know, just you know, it'd take a
Speaker 11: little bit of work to to you know, to work
Speaker 11: the painting, but yes, that's a good thing, you know,
Speaker 11: working it into the actual substrate itself.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, In a quick one. Here, best product to use
Speaker 6: for cleaning killer decks. It's it's currently unstained, so just
Speaker 6: bear killer decking. You know, it gets that sort of
Speaker 6: moss and mold on it over a period of time.
Speaker 6: What's a good way of that.
Speaker 11: Yeah. We have a product called Timber and Dick wash yep,
Speaker 11: which you know, you mix you mix it in the
Speaker 11: ratio with water and give it a good scrubbing and
Speaker 11: then rinse it off straight away and it should actually
Speaker 11: bring the timber up quite nicely.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's available in store yep.
Speaker 11: It also opens up the timber fibers and allows you know,
Speaker 11: the timber to accept staying quite.
Speaker 6: More readily, if you if you then wanted to go
Speaker 6: down that path. Bryce is always fantastic advice and all
Speaker 6: of those products available at the Razine Color Store, and
Speaker 6: good advice from the team there as well. Again, Bryce,
Speaker 6: much appreciated, Thanks very much for your time this morning.
Speaker 6: After the news we're talking Sola yeah, with news talks,
Speaker 6: he'd be We're back final hour of the show. Pete
Speaker 6: wolf Camp resident build it with you this morning. Marlin
Speaker 6: from Life Force. Sola is with me in the studio.
Speaker 6: But Gray, you've been waiting patiently. So quick call from you, sir, question, Yeah,
Speaker 6: go for it?
Speaker 14: Are you there, Peter?
Speaker 6: I am great?
Speaker 11: Go for it? Oh yeah.
Speaker 14: Now I've got a building. It's ten meters high, and
Speaker 14: I wanted in. With the storms we've had up north here,
Speaker 14: especially up in Kaiko, the tear lighters have broken off,
Speaker 14: and I'm wondering how I could go about repairing it
Speaker 14: all to see what's you know, how much I need
Speaker 14: and to do the job safely. Look, we've got any suggestions, but.
Speaker 6: My best suggestion would be get a professional to come
Speaker 6: and do it. You know, ten meters up clear light
Speaker 6: you know, I know there was an instant not that
Speaker 6: long ago where a young worker fell through a clear
Speaker 6: light panel and suffered terrible injuries. I think, you know,
Speaker 6: it's high risk work at high heights, so I would
Speaker 6: be going around finding a local roofing contractor. I don't
Speaker 6: think I'd want to be up ten meters high trying
Speaker 6: to figure out what's going on, so time for the professionals.
Speaker 6: I think on that one, Gray, all the very best
Speaker 6: to you. Now that's a nice segue because suddenly we're
Speaker 6: talking about roofs and typically where do we put solar panels?
Speaker 6: We put them on the roof. So it's my great
Speaker 6: pleasure today to welcome Marlin from Life for Solar to
Speaker 6: come into the studio. And we spoke earlier in the week.
Speaker 6: And what I'm very aware of a couple of things.
Speaker 6: One is, in the ten years of doing the show,
Speaker 6: I don't think we've ever talked specifically about solar, so
Speaker 6: we're well overdue. And the other part is that some
Speaker 6: of the stuff that I know about solar is probably
Speaker 6: a little bit out of date and that the technology
Speaker 6: has moved on. So welcome, lovely to see you, Thanks
Speaker 6: for coming in. So let's start with as best you
Speaker 6: can describe it in ways that even I would understand.
Speaker 6: How does a solar panel work? So we've got this thing,
Speaker 6: we put it on the roof and magically seemingly generates electricity.
Speaker 6: What happens, all right?
Speaker 15: So with a solar essentially what you're doing is you're
Speaker 15: converting the Sun's energy and usable energy in the home.
Speaker 15: And the way that that happens is you will have
Speaker 15: an inverter in your home which converts the DC electricity
Speaker 15: from the sun to AC electricity that you can use
Speaker 15: in your home.
Speaker 6: So DC and what So what happens when the sun
Speaker 6: strikes the panel? It creates energy by agitating elements or
Speaker 6: getting electrons to move around.
Speaker 15: I would say, so, yeah, okay, I don't know the
Speaker 15: exact techniquogy. Yeah, that's thefation of how that works.
Speaker 6: So once once we've installed a solar array, we can
Speaker 6: then take that energy and use it inside the house.
Speaker 6: So for you guys, because you're doing installs on a
Speaker 6: weekly basis, daily base list, what's the process If someone
Speaker 6: goes I'm thinking about getting solar, where do they start?
Speaker 15: So the first thing that they would do is inquire
Speaker 15: with a solar company yep, and from there you'd typically
Speaker 15: do a consultation to figure out exactly what will work
Speaker 15: on your roof. So, as we know, every roof is
Speaker 15: different in terms of the orientation than the roof material,
Speaker 15: so every home is different in terms of what they
Speaker 15: can achieve with solar. Right, So the first step would
Speaker 15: be getting a consultation with the solar provider.
Speaker 6: And when you're looking at that, what's really really important?
Speaker 6: Is it orientation, is it roof shape? Is it potential
Speaker 6: for shading? Like what are the main things that you
Speaker 6: look at when you're assessing for Solar?
Speaker 15: So a little bit of everything really okay. So ideally
Speaker 15: you'd have a decent amount of space because panels are
Speaker 15: actually quite large that you can't really tell when you're
Speaker 15: looking at it from the street, but they're around two
Speaker 15: meters by one point two meters in size for each panel,
Speaker 15: so you need to have enough space for one. In
Speaker 15: terms of the orientation, north is obviously the best, however,
Speaker 15: we are so do east and west facing roofs. Sometimes
Speaker 15: we'll do some on the east, some on the west
Speaker 15: as well.
Speaker 6: Right, And we'll come to that because actually, let's discuss
Speaker 6: it now. One of the things that I know from
Speaker 6: solar from let's say ten to fifteen, even twenty years ago,
Speaker 6: is that the way in which the panels were arrayed
Speaker 6: on the roof, if some panels weren't working to their optimum,
Speaker 6: they might be shaded by a tree or by a chimney,
Speaker 6: or in this case where some might be facing east
Speaker 6: and some might be facing west, it seemed to degrade
Speaker 6: the overall performance of the entire system, whereas today that's
Speaker 6: not the case.
Speaker 15: So with that, so you're Invertera, essentially will have a
Speaker 15: couple of inputs, right, so if you're doing east and west, yes,
Speaker 15: it have one array in one input and the other
Speaker 15: array on another input. So they're not affecting each other,
Speaker 15: those two separate.
Speaker 6: Arrays, Whereas maybe years ago, and we're talking you know,
Speaker 6: like I say, fifteen twenty years ago, if they were
Speaker 6: all connected together, then one part was not working well,
Speaker 6: it would have reduced the performance. That would make an
Speaker 6: appreciable difference to the amount of power that you can
Speaker 6: generate from your solar array. The advances and technology.
Speaker 15: Yes, definitely, Yeah, there's been a lot of advances over
Speaker 15: the last few years.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 15: Panels are of a higher efficiency, higher wattage, and yeah,
Speaker 15: you can just you can generate a lot more than
Speaker 15: what you used to be able to in the past.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: The other thing that seems to have changed is, let's
Speaker 6: say the longevity of the panels. And I know in
Speaker 6: discussing with homeowners again years ago, they'd go, okay, so
Speaker 6: I'm going to invest X number of dollars I might
Speaker 6: save this amount on a weekly basis or a monthly
Speaker 6: basis on my power bill. So maybe after five or
Speaker 6: six years I would have recouped my investment, but then
Speaker 6: my panels have kind of reached the end of their
Speaker 6: life at that point as well. Was that's probably not
Speaker 6: unfair to say that that was part of solar fifteen
Speaker 6: twenty years ago to day. And even with your panels,
Speaker 6: that's a twenty five year warranty on the panels.
Speaker 15: That's correct. Yes, so the product warranty on panels is
Speaker 15: a lot longer than what it used to be. Yeah,
Speaker 15: it's twenty five years on the product for the panels
Speaker 15: that we use, as well as a thirty year warranty
Speaker 15: on the performance of them. So over that thirty year
Speaker 15: period they'll lose eighteen percent efficiency and they still have
Speaker 15: eighty two percent left to go after that thirty year period.
Speaker 6: But that's a dramatic step forward in terms of if
Speaker 6: you imagine what it was like, you know that you'd
Speaker 6: get five seven years out of panels and now you're
Speaker 6: getting twenty five thirty years.
Speaker 15: That's it is huge, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Massive step forward in terms of some of the practicalities
Speaker 6: around the install are there roofs and situations where it's
Speaker 6: just not practical to install.
Speaker 15: There are a few situations, yes, So one would be
Speaker 15: membrane roof, right, yeah, and understandably, yeah, in order to
Speaker 15: get the mounting onto membrane roofs to costly endeavor, sure,
Speaker 15: you know, you have to get custom plates put on,
Speaker 15: which can really blow out the cost and mean that
Speaker 15: you're not going to be saving as much or the
Speaker 15: return on investment will be a lot longer as a result.
Speaker 6: How I would say though that if you did have
Speaker 6: a membrane roof and you knew you wanted to install solar,
Speaker 6: you could incorporate you know, some brackets into the design
Speaker 6: or mounting panels, you know, as part of it. So
Speaker 6: it's definitely doable. Doing it later is a little bit
Speaker 6: more difficult, so typical sort of corrigated iron roof, concrete
Speaker 6: tile roof, no problem.
Speaker 15: No problem. Another one that is a little bit difficult,
Speaker 15: in one that we don't do it lightful solar anymore
Speaker 15: is clay tile, okay, and that the reason for.
Speaker 6: That is just it's so fragile, that's right. Yeah, And
Speaker 6: again clay tiles a little bit old now and a
Speaker 6: lot of them would be reaching the end of their
Speaker 6: life anyway. So in terms of like let's say as
Speaker 6: a homeowner, you go, actually, I'm interested in solar and
Speaker 6: you go, okay, I've reached out to a company to
Speaker 6: provide me with the estimate. They've done their assessment. It's
Speaker 6: actually practically achievable. Where do I What happens after that
Speaker 6: in terms of when it hands over to your team,
Speaker 6: for example, for the install, what's the install process?
Speaker 11: Like?
Speaker 15: Okay, so the first step is getting a DG application
Speaker 15: with the lines company. This is essentially just telling the
Speaker 15: lines company that hey, this home is going to get
Speaker 15: SOLER on the roof.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 15: The process for that takes three to four weeks after
Speaker 15: this has been approved, which almost universally is approved. Once
Speaker 15: that's approved, then you'd get installed. So what that timeline
Speaker 15: looks like depends on how the company, how busy they
Speaker 15: are in your region, that kind of thing could be
Speaker 15: a couple of weeks after that DG application. After that,
Speaker 15: you would get inspected by an independent inspector to just
Speaker 15: ensure that the work is up to scratch yep. After that,
Speaker 15: you would have your meter change to an import export
Speaker 15: meter with your energy provider. Right, and once that's done,
Speaker 15: the system is livened, and you'll be harnessing the power
Speaker 15: of the sun.
Speaker 6: Okay, so there's some checks and balances and that in
Speaker 6: terms of like the electrical inspector who actually has to
Speaker 6: do the work on the board. They're independent, let's say,
Speaker 6: of the installer in all cases, in.
Speaker 15: Most cases, so they inspect the work. Yes, they don't
Speaker 15: do the electrical word, it would be electricians from the providers.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So in terms of getting the power, let's say
Speaker 6: that you're generating from your new solar panels on the
Speaker 6: roof down to the board. What's the typical process there.
Speaker 15: So we'd have our installers run conduit typically from the
Speaker 15: panels down to the inverter, which in most cases is
Speaker 15: near your switchboard.
Speaker 6: And in some cases that's typically exterior, so that hence
Speaker 6: the conduit. Or if you can find a pathway through
Speaker 6: the house, is that doable as well?
Speaker 15: That is also doable, yes, right, So it really comes
Speaker 15: down to what each customer is wanting. Yes, some don't
Speaker 15: want to see it external conduit and then happily have
Speaker 15: it run inside. Others don't want it run inside and
Speaker 15: so they prefer the external cond Right. It really is
Speaker 15: an individual basis.
Speaker 6: And that cabling that comes from the panels down to
Speaker 6: the board, that's standard electrical cable. It's not anything unexpected
Speaker 6: or you star tricky or anything like that. It's a
Speaker 6: good old, good old cable. Okay. And then and I
Speaker 6: guess once you've gone through the regulatory stuff and the
Speaker 6: meter has changed, Actually, could you just step me through
Speaker 6: what's the difference between let's say, a standard meta like
Speaker 6: the one that I have at home, and one that
Speaker 6: is both import export.
Speaker 15: So your standard meter is just important, right, So it's
Speaker 15: just calculating what you're using on a day to day basis.
Speaker 15: An import export meter also captures what you're sending back
Speaker 15: to the grid if your solar is generating more than
Speaker 15: what you're using in the.
Speaker 6: House, right, Okay, and she let's pick up on that.
Speaker 6: We're going to take a short break and have a
Speaker 6: look at the impact of having a battery. So if
Speaker 6: you can combine solar panels and generation with storage on site,
Speaker 6: I think that feels like it's a game changer as well.
Speaker 6: So we'll come back. Marlon from Light Force solar is
Speaker 6: with me in the studio. If you want to flick
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Speaker 6: Your newstalk said, been with me in the studio Marlon
Speaker 6: from lightfour solar quick text. That's come through couple of things.
Speaker 6: One is, in terms of optimum performance from the panels,
Speaker 6: there is maintenance required. So what typically is the maintenance
Speaker 6: for solar panels.
Speaker 15: So they're pretty low key in terms of the maintenance
Speaker 15: that's required. I'd say you'd want to clean them maybe
Speaker 15: once a year. There are situations where it might be
Speaker 15: prudent to clean them every six months.
Speaker 9: Yep.
Speaker 15: That would be if your roof's really low pitched so
Speaker 15: that the rain isn't self cleaning the panels.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 15: Another would be if you have a lot of large
Speaker 15: trees nearby that might be dropping debris onto the panels.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 15: Usually it's a little bit of a visual inspection, see
Speaker 15: if there's stuff on the on the panels, if there
Speaker 15: is a clean if not, typically once a.
Speaker 6: Year, and that cleaning process is like, can you use
Speaker 6: like a chemical pre wash on them or a light
Speaker 6: sort of soapy water. What's what's involved?
Speaker 15: Yeah, so best would be just soapy water, soft bristled brush.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, and then rinse off obviously, So you do
Speaker 6: actually need to get up in close to the panel
Speaker 6: in order to sort of eduitate with a soft broom. Yes, okay,
Speaker 6: and no worries about using a broom on the panel.
Speaker 6: I mean they're fairly durable, aren't they. Yeah, they are okay,
Speaker 6: all right, But obviously there's a safety thing there around
Speaker 6: working safely on your roof with water. But hey, it's
Speaker 6: definitely doable now a couple. This is always the tricky one,
Speaker 6: isn't it. What's the cost? Right? And this has come
Speaker 6: from a text, so just a rough idea on price.
Speaker 6: They are saying, Chris, who sent through the text with
Speaker 6: the rough idea of price, We've got the perfect roof.
Speaker 6: So I'm guessing they've got a great big roof that
Speaker 6: faces north readily able to install solar panels. There rough
Speaker 6: prices and that's all we can expect on that.
Speaker 15: Yeah, So I'll just qualify it briefly as well that
Speaker 15: every home is very different in terms of what they're
Speaker 15: using and what they would need out of solar. So
Speaker 15: in terms of a rough price, it can range from
Speaker 15: ten to twenty five thousand dollars if you're just getting
Speaker 15: solar panels, yep. If you're adding a battery onto that
Speaker 15: you're starting probably at around thirty thousand and going up
Speaker 15: from there.
Speaker 9: Yep.
Speaker 6: Okay, Now, the batteries are I'm going to call them
Speaker 6: relatively new. I know that they're not. But let's say
Speaker 6: in the last five to ten years, the cost of
Speaker 6: them has dropped dramatically, as these things do with technology,
Speaker 6: the performance has gone up. What's the benefit of adding
Speaker 6: a battery to your solar array?
Speaker 15: So there are a couple of benefits. So one of
Speaker 15: them is that a lot of people aren't working from
Speaker 15: home anymore as well, so you're using a lot of
Speaker 15: your power, usually in the mornings and evenings, right, So
Speaker 15: having a battery means that you will fill that battery
Speaker 15: and then use your battery when you're at home using power.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 15: Another very important part of it is having a battery
Speaker 15: in the case of a red outage, which yep, a
Speaker 15: lot of people have been experiencing exilience, especially recently, there
Speaker 15: have been a lot of situations where having a battery
Speaker 15: would have been very good, you know, like, yeah, for
Speaker 15: that energy independence.
Speaker 6: And then I suppose if you're a little bit smart
Speaker 6: with your appliance use, you can then program appliances, you know,
Speaker 6: with a timer to make use of some of that
Speaker 6: battery storage as well. That's correct, Yeah, okay, Actually just
Speaker 6: a thought on that. So on a really rainy, overcast,
Speaker 6: miserable winter's day, what's the impact of overcast and rainy
Speaker 6: conditions on power generation from solar?
Speaker 15: So, yes, yeah, so you won't you won't generate as
Speaker 15: much power. There will still be a little truckle coming through,
Speaker 15: but it will be reduced.
Speaker 6: To be expected in the same way that you're not
Speaker 6: generating overnight. If it's dark, then solar panels are not
Speaker 6: working in terms of Now here's another text as well.
Speaker 6: Not sure if us, but do I need a building
Speaker 6: consent for solar?
Speaker 15: That's a good question, and in nearly all cases no, yep.
Speaker 15: The only time when the consent is really required, or
Speaker 15: the only times that I've heard of it coming up,
Speaker 15: are for heritage buildings.
Speaker 6: Okay, in terms of its impact, So that's more around
Speaker 6: resource consent. What's it going to look like to have
Speaker 6: panels on an older house?
Speaker 5: That's right?
Speaker 6: Okay? Is that common?
Speaker 15: That's pretty rare? Okay, there are some places in Mount Eaton,
Speaker 15: let's say, where they don't want panels on the road frontage. Yes,
Speaker 15: and so you'd have to have them on the back.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I mean it would be such a small
Speaker 6: number of houses across the country that it's negligible, isn't it.
Speaker 6: That's right, And just I'm thinking about the guys doing
Speaker 6: all the people doing the install. In most cases, you're
Speaker 6: able to work without necessarily having full scaffolding and so on.
Speaker 6: All of your teams would be I guess, rope qualified
Speaker 6: and all the rest of it. So you're up there
Speaker 6: moving around, not necessarily requiring a full scaffold, needs protection
Speaker 6: and so on. Yep, that's correct, but fully compliant.
Speaker 15: Yes, that's right. So it depends on the roof, how
Speaker 15: high up it is whether we'll need scaff edge of protection. Yes,
Speaker 15: if it's low, lower pitched low single story, yep, than
Speaker 15: just ropes and harnesses.
Speaker 6: Yet, right, increasingly we're starting to see sort of three
Speaker 6: story walk ups, right in terms of in urban areas
Speaker 6: and semi detached houses and so on. Single story, double story,
Speaker 6: three story doesn't really make any difference in terms of
Speaker 6: the instore we've done them all, Okay.
Speaker 15: It does really depend, you know, like the extra cost
Speaker 15: of scaffolding sometimes sure limitation yep, you know, but yep,
Speaker 15: we'll do it.
Speaker 6: There is, Yeah, I mean there's a reasonable investment in
Speaker 6: it in terms of I think one of the things
Speaker 6: that is when we're talking about making our houses more
Speaker 6: eco friendly, right and more energy efficient. We're often talking
Speaker 6: about over a period of time, but typically New Zealanders
Speaker 6: might move on average, we move every five years, right,
Speaker 6: So setting up a system that's going to last for
Speaker 6: thirty years when we stay in our houses for five
Speaker 6: do you think that there's a benefit or there's something
Speaker 6: reflected in the value of that property by having solar
Speaker 6: for the next owner?
Speaker 15: Absolutely? Right, Yeah, So if you're saving fifty to sixty
Speaker 15: percent off your power bill, yep, that is a very
Speaker 15: good incentive when someone is coming to buy your home
Speaker 15: that you can show them this is what we've been saving. Yes,
Speaker 15: of the solar system that's on the roof, it does
Speaker 15: add value to the home for that reason.
Speaker 6: And the numbers are real because I was at a
Speaker 6: house the other day that had solar installed and had
Speaker 6: a battery and okay, it was summer time, but I said,
Speaker 6: what's your power bill? And it was three dollars ninety
Speaker 6: eight for the month, And those that's not uncommon.
Speaker 15: I take it it's not uncommon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, remarkable. Hey, Marlon, thank you very much for joining
Speaker 6: us in the studio. It's been great for me because
Speaker 6: it's the first time we've had a chance to get
Speaker 6: stuck into solar in a deep dive. If people want
Speaker 6: to know more, what's the website.
Speaker 15: It's dot lightforce, dot co, dot nz.
Speaker 6: Perfect Again, really appreciate your time, take care, Thank you
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