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Speaker 1: More ankst around the planting of trees to help offset

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Speaker 1: our global emissions. Now Parliament's environment watchdog. This is Simon Upton.

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Speaker 1: You might remember the name from health years ago anyway.

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Speaker 1: In a new report he warns is only ten to

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Speaker 1: fifteen years left if changes aren't made. Basically is gunning

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Speaker 1: for carbon farming completely Removing the ability of plant trees

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Speaker 1: for credits is being proposed. Adjunct professor at the New

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Speaker 1: Zealand Climate Change Receipts Institute, Adrian Macy's backward. This is

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Speaker 1: Adrian morning to you. Does he have a point or

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Speaker 1: is he dreaming? Now?

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Speaker 2: He is a point? He does. Yeah, this is in

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Speaker 2: my view, this is a great report. It's a real

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Speaker 2: wake up corps gousa cliche.

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Speaker 1: Is anyone going to listen to it?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 1: Because planting trees are super easy and that's why we

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Speaker 1: planted so many.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, we've always seen that as a well well,

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Speaker 2: I say, successive government seen it as a get out

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Speaker 2: of jail free card member labeled it's a billion trees.

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Speaker 2: But in say, I would say, if you want to

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Speaker 2: use a metaphor, it's never been a get out of

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Speaker 2: jail free car. At the very most I'd see it

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Speaker 2: as a sort of suspended sentence, but you're going to

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Speaker 2: be recalled for jail a few years down the track,

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Speaker 2: so I think it's a very useful wake up. But

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Speaker 2: what he's actually saying is, for goodness sake, just just

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Speaker 2: have a proper look at this policy, not just from

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Speaker 2: the climate change point of view, where there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of skepticism about using trees to mop up carbon. So

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Speaker 2: go too, I'm talking about and have a look at

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Speaker 2: the pology is a massive issue for Zealand as a whole,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's very It's written in very plain

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Speaker 2: language for a report. I mean, it's much clearer than

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Speaker 2: anything you get out of governments, and he's done a

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Speaker 2: marvelous job because an ordinary average person could read that report,

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Speaker 2: even just for summary and see what's going on, which

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Speaker 2: I would say probably if you asked, if you ask

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Speaker 2: people to explain New Zealand's current policies around forestry, probably

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Speaker 2: could count on things. On one hand, any want to

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Speaker 2: give you a coherent explanation that's been all over the

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Speaker 2: place for years.

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Speaker 1: That is true. The current government is looking at planting

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Speaker 1: more trees on public land or conservation land by private entities.

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Speaker 1: So they're going against Simon's tide.

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Speaker 2: Well yes, currently, but I mean what he's saying is,

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Speaker 2: what he's really saying was is don't leave forestry in

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Speaker 2: the hands of climate policy people, because forest has got

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Speaker 2: so many applications for the whole of New Zealand, social implications,

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Speaker 2: economic implications, environmental land use, the future of local communities.

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Speaker 2: He has he has developed an idea which he's worked

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Speaker 2: on before, about using about seeing forest is more appropriate

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Speaker 2: for offsetting methane. Now, the reason for that is that

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Speaker 2: methane has not long lived, where a co two lives forever.

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Speaker 2: That I think is he could be useful for our

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Speaker 2: farming sector in the end. But the main message I

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Speaker 2: think is seeing all dimensions of forestry policy get your

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Speaker 2: act together. I mean this big issues coming for MARI too.

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Speaker 2: There's a big treat the White Eggi Tribunal inquiry where

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Speaker 2: currently our climate change where forestry has got a big

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Speaker 2: role to play. So that's it's going to be something

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Speaker 2: coming out of that too. I think it's going to

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Speaker 2: be relevant ya. It's just it's a call to be

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Speaker 2: to be coherent I think, and sensible and really by

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Speaker 2: the ball on the climate stuff.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. I dream. Appreciate your insight. I dream. I

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Speaker 1: cy ajan professor at the New Zealand Climate Change recearch

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Speaker 1: Institute and interesting of course. Simon Upton, if you remember

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Speaker 1: him from the Health dis is a net a conservative

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Speaker 1: of course, so he speaks a slightly different a liberal.

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Speaker 1: He's a net of old if you want to put

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Speaker 1: some polem political labels around it.

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