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Speaker 1: Jonathan Kursley, US corresponding with us A Jonathan.

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Speaker 2: O. I've known to everybody across New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Now tell me what you'll take is. We've got this

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Speaker 1: meeting in less than fifteen hours. Now do you think

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a bust or are we

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Speaker 1: going to get something out of it?

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's going to want something out of it, but

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Speaker 2: it's hard to see how he gets anything out of

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Speaker 2: it without Voladimir Zelensky at the table, because Ukraine's made

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Speaker 2: its position abundantly clear that it's not going to hand

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Speaker 2: over anything without actually being present. I mean, under Ukrainian law,

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Speaker 2: any sort of ceasepy deal has to go through their

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Speaker 2: parliament anyway. So it's hard to see exactly what comes

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Speaker 2: out of the summer that is now due in just

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Speaker 2: a matter of hours time. Donald Trump will leave, will

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Speaker 2: leave for Anchorage, Vladimir Putin will arrive, They will hold

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Speaker 2: these talks. They will then disappear in inside their delegations,

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Speaker 2: and then, according to Russian media, there are plans for

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Speaker 2: a joint media conference. It cast your mind back to

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Speaker 2: Helsinki summit back in twenty eighteen. The two of them

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Speaker 2: stood side by side at a joint press conference. Then

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Speaker 2: that was the last time they have done so. And

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Speaker 2: on that occasion, Donald Trump sided with Vladimir Putin rather

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Speaker 2: than the CIA as to whether or not Russia had

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Speaker 2: interfered in the twenty sixteen election. So there's going to

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Speaker 2: be a lot of eyes if that press conference goes

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Speaker 2: ahead on the body language between the two, the answers

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Speaker 2: to the various questions that they may give. But I

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Speaker 2: think crucially you've got to watch this one on one summit. First,

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Speaker 2: they will have interpreters in the room. What is the

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Speaker 2: exchange going to be like between them or the cameras

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Speaker 2: are there? The handshake takes place, This is just an

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Speaker 2: extraordinary moment in history because here you have, for the

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Speaker 2: first time in a decade or so, a Russian president

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Speaker 2: on American soil. It is quite simply extraordinary, given too

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Speaker 2: that the ICC warrants that are out against Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 2: means he can't go to other various countries. The United

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Speaker 2: States doesn't recognize the ICC. So they've allowed him in

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Speaker 2: to hear and they're welcoming him to Alaska, which I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you ever look at them mainland between Alaska and Russia,

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Speaker 2: you can see the geography reason as to why they've

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Speaker 2: picked this venue. It's some eighty five kilometers from the

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Speaker 2: edge of Alaska to the edge of Russia. But it

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Speaker 2: is going to be critical this meeting tomorrow. But it's

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Speaker 2: hard to see what conclusions can come out of it

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Speaker 2: unless Donald Trump can get something specific from Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 2: that he can very quickly get to voladimirs Alenski, in

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Speaker 2: which case this talk of the second summit, well, that

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Speaker 2: may take place, and that is going to be the

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Speaker 2: critical juncture because that is when Ukraine is going to

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Speaker 2: have a seat at the table, and that is when

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Speaker 2: and imagine the optics of that voladimires Alenski, Vladimir put

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Speaker 2: and Donald Trump all in the same room, staring at

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Speaker 2: each other from across a table or from across wherever

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Speaker 2: they may be seated or standing. It is just going

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Speaker 2: to be quite simply extraordinary because there's plenty at stake

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Speaker 2: in this, for Ukraine, for Europe, for the United States,

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Speaker 2: and for much of the world too. Because you can

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Speaker 2: imagine China is going to be watching the outcome of

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Speaker 2: this very very closely with its plans to want to

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Speaker 2: retake completely control. So one Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's a very fair point, do you think. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've laughed about the fact that Donald Trump wants the

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Speaker 1: Nobel Peace Prize, but if he manages to broke receease

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Speaker 1: fire deal here, does he actually deserve it.

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Speaker 2: If he can end the Russia Ukraine War, then I

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Speaker 2: think he would very much firmly have a footing on

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Speaker 2: a nomination at least anyway and seriously been considered by

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Speaker 2: the Nobel Peace Prize committee. He says he is a peacemaker,

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Speaker 2: a deal maker. He says that he has ended six

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Speaker 2: conflicts since his presidency began, but ultimately there are two

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Speaker 2: he had his heart set on two. He had his

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Speaker 2: mindset on Russia Ukraine he said he could solve in

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours, and the conflict between Israeli Jamas. Neither

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Speaker 2: of those have been resolved as of yet. So those

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Speaker 2: are clearly conflicts that he wants to look into. This

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Speaker 2: is why you've seen him look at issues between other

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Speaker 2: nations in Africa, between India and Pakistan. He wants to

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Speaker 2: be seen as a peacemaker president. This is clearly the

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Speaker 2: legacy that he wants to get. Give the question, really,

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Speaker 2: I think in the short term is going to be

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Speaker 2: Can this conflict somehow find a way to an end,

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Speaker 2: because ultimately Vladimir Putin is also going to try and

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Speaker 2: sweep talk Donald Trump. He's going to try and get

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Speaker 2: something out of him. He knows that he's got to

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Speaker 2: up his own game against the American president who's expressed

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Speaker 2: his own frustrations with him. So there's going to be

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Speaker 2: have to be a little bit of give and take.

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Speaker 2: The question is, though, what is Donald Trump prepared to

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Speaker 2: give and what is he going to take to Ukraine

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Speaker 2: and to Europe? Is the outcome of whatever this summit

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Speaker 2: comes to tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, very quickly? Were you? Were you absolutely thrilled

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Speaker 1: with what Tata announced?

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Speaker 2: Tata's announcement was astonishing, wasn't it that? I think we've

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Speaker 2: got twelve tracks on the album. We've got October three

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Speaker 2: market in your calendar's swifties you already have, and then

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Speaker 2: imagine yourselves another tour, maybe maybe an era's documentary. Can

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Speaker 2: we see that in the works?

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Speaker 1: Who knew? Who knew? That you went over there and

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Speaker 1: you've come back. Yeah, you're going to come back. A

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Speaker 1: Taito fan, Thank you so much, Jonathan, appreciate it. Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Kearsley US Correspondence.

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