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Speaker 1: First, Barry soapers here. Hey, Barry, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Right now they wipe it at to trust investigations over

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Speaker 2: and it's avoided de registration, but there'll be some changes.

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Speaker 3: Yes. Indeed, this investigation has been going on since twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: so it's a very long one and the wipe area

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Speaker 3: of trusts it's like an octopus. It's got tentacles and

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Speaker 3: so many parts of the charitable business and that's why

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Speaker 3: I think they found it really difficult to deal with

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Speaker 3: in terms of de registering it because a lot of

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Speaker 3: people would suffer as a result of that. As I

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Speaker 3: understand it. John Tammerherry, who's the CEO of the trust

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Speaker 3: and the Trust may be parting ways, but that's what

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Speaker 3: I understand. It's, like I said, a long running investigation

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Speaker 3: and hundreds of thousands of dollars have been made to

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Speaker 3: donations to political parties, to the campaigns and to the

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Speaker 3: campaign of the chief executive, John Tamaherry when he ran

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Speaker 3: for the mayoralty. Here now Charlotte Stanley, who's the Director

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Speaker 3: and Regulated Charity Services. She announced the conclusion of the

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Speaker 3: six year probe, saying that regulators had forced Wiperira to

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Speaker 3: make significant government governmental and structural changes. What they are though,

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Speaker 3: we don't know, so the statement didn't provide any details

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Speaker 3: of what they are. Now you may remember, and I

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Speaker 3: was astounded by it that the wiper Era's financial reports

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Speaker 3: for the year to June twenty twenty three, they're only

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Speaker 3: published last year. They revealed that Tama Harry had repaid

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Speaker 3: three hundred and eighty five thousand dollars that owed to

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Speaker 3: the Trust. But it was made quite easy to repay

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Speaker 3: that money because the key management personnel, of whom Tama

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Speaker 3: Harry is the most senior, had that year received a

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Speaker 3: pay increase of seventy seven percent, and that means they've

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Speaker 3: become the New Zealand's highest paid charity executives, all earning

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Speaker 3: over five hundred thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: The mind boggles, Well, the mind does boggle.

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Speaker 3: I think. I don't think we've heard the last of

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Speaker 3: this yet, but there will be governmental and other changes

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Speaker 3: to the Trust and structural changes, and you'd have to

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Speaker 3: say not before time.

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Speaker 1: No, exactly. Well, we'll look forward to your update on

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Speaker 1: that tomorrow. Berry.

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Speaker 2: Now we've got the agermin debate happening in Parliament. Anything

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Speaker 2: interesting so far?

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, it's the wrapping up. Chris Luxen's on his feet,

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Speaker 3: you know, thanking the cleaners, all the sundry at Parliament,

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Speaker 3: the messengers and what have you. So it's not particularly

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Speaker 3: exciting at the moment. The most exciting part today though,

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Speaker 3: will be the gallery party that follows the winding up.

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Speaker 3: And I won't be there because here there's doing hosking

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Speaker 3: in the mornings, which means.

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Speaker 1: Poor you, Barry.

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Speaker 2: I have to yeah, well, you know you've been to enough.

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Speaker 3: Your family comes first, Ryan, And indeed I have been

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Speaker 3: to many, many of them.

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Speaker 2: I used to avoid them because it was you don't

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Speaker 2: want to get go there and then get to to

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Speaker 2: tipsy and then you know some people remember people would

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Speaker 2: fall over and fall into the ice backet.

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Speaker 3: I could tell.

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Speaker 1: So, man, your stories will be shagging and just terrible.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to be one of those people. No,

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Speaker 1: but Labors Labor candidate's views have been highlighted in Parliament.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is interesting and you may remember the economist

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Speaker 3: Craig Rennie. He was selected to buy Labor to be

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Speaker 3: the candidate in Wellington Bays, which is a new electorate.

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Speaker 3: Now he's of course since he left Grant Robertson's office

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Speaker 3: as his advisor has been working for the Council of

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Speaker 3: Trade Unions. So Nikola Willis has been reading a book

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Speaker 3: written by Ready and says if he wins the seat

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Speaker 3: for Labor, his views differ significantly from Treasury and wonders

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Speaker 3: whether labor would go along with them.

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Speaker 4: He says this work suggests the debt limits should in

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Speaker 4: fact be around eighty to ninety percent of GDP, and

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Speaker 4: he cites Supreme Party's analysis showing that the debt limit

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Speaker 4: should in fact be up to one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 4: four percent of GDP. And this author doesn't think savings

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Speaker 4: are necessary, says New Zealand does not face fiscal constraints

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Speaker 4: and thinks the debt could be a lot higher, could.

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Speaker 3: Be a bit of spending if Craig Ready his way.

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Speaker 1: It's been an unhappy Christmas for some Barry wants this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well apparently the Greens Chloe Swarbrick and the Maori

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Speaker 3: Party's Debbie no Riwapaka. We're told on Monday by emergency

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Speaker 3: food providers that there's not enough to go around this Christmas.

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Speaker 3: It's an issue that Reward Packer took up with the

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister in Parliament this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Is here aware that community providers of KAI have had

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Speaker 2: to stop advertising their services because they cannot meet demand.

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Speaker 5: What I'm aware of is that many New Zealanders will

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Speaker 5: put into a very difficult situation because of economic mismanagement

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Speaker 5: and vandalism from a Labour Green's government. There's the government

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Speaker 5: working very hard to make sure there is opportunity being

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Speaker 5: created and growth in our economy.

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Speaker 3: That's not putting food on the table, but.

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Speaker 1: It's not No, maybe a marmite sandwich.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's it in an apple.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget Barry Soaper politics.

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