1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Time out to wrap the political week with The New 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Zealand Herald. Deputy Political editor Thomas Coglan is back with 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: US Guilder to be so. Casey Costello has released her 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: long awaited independent advice. What did you think? 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 2: Uh, it's. 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, come on, come on, that's I 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 3: mean really, I mean, how do you how many of 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: the five bits of advice on heated tobacco products didn't 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 3: even mention heated tobacco products. 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: Yes, it's a it isn't she hasn't made a compelling 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: case for it. I'm sort of I'm struggling to find 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: so this week. I've been struggling to find comparisons. I 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: remember during the pandemic, when things are moving very fast, 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 2: you'd occasionally get at a press conference. Ashley Bloomfield, who 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: was very well read, would say, oh, I you know, 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: I read this that there's an interesting paper published in 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: the Lance a couple of days ago about this, And 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: you know that was always very impressive because he had 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: a very busy job and somehow managed to find time 20 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: to read a medical journal. So it's not the issue 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: at stake here is not too much so that I 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: guess she went out and got her own advice, because 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: sometimes you do that. Of course I should. Bloomfield was 24 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 2: a public servant, not a minister, so it's quite different. 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, the issue is that that the quality of 26 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 2: the advice is not quite what she uh led us 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: to believe. I guess, and I you know, the it 28 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 2: is sort of a grab bag of I mean some, 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: as you say, some articles that didn't mention head of 30 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: tobacco products, others that seemed to be less relevant to 31 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: New Zealand. There's one from Japan. But the Japan, I think, 32 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: is a different different, slightly different circumstances. I've banned other 33 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: forms of cessation tools like we have done, so it's 34 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: not vaking. So it's not it doesn't seem to be 35 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: quiet the kind of get out of jail free card 36 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: that she perhaps presented it to be. And certainly, you 37 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: know when you're when you're dealing with, when you're when 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: you're when you're comparing it with a vice from officials 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 2: who themselves have synthesized the available evidents. The officials didn't 40 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: invent the events. They found it themselves as well. It 41 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: just didn't it didn't quite seem to justify who sort 42 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: of well I had my own advice, which was the 43 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: justification for offering this text card. 44 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: Now a lot of new rules came into play this week, 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: so no more free COVID tests, key truder stuff changes 46 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: and parking penalties are increasing. 47 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: Yes, so these are these people who public who who 48 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: pudon me? These for people who park in disabled car parks, 49 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: those the fines have increased. That you're up to seven 50 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars now, I mean, this seems like 51 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: something that I can't I mentionine anyone disagreeing with probably 52 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: fairly popular. I I note that a lot of the 53 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: National Party's social media accounts are sort of tweeting it 54 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: and posting it. I think that sort of expecting a 55 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: fairly I suppose it's said the sort of bit more 56 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: benign end of the tough on crime rhedirectly that the 57 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: government's trying to push out. It's very difficult to I mean, 58 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: it's a it's an annoyance. I think of a lot 59 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 2: of a lot of people, even people who don't sort 60 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 2: of interact with the uh, the disabled community, when you 61 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: see people using those car parks who really shouldn't be 62 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 2: so I think that's probably unlikely to come up against 63 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: them too much pushback. Also some other positive changes. Some 64 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: of those cancer medicines that the government belatedly funded have 65 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: have have become available, so Keytruder from the first of 66 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: the month, and that's sort of a part of the 67 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: first of a longer roll out of those of those 68 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: medicines that were that were funded not on the budget 69 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: but but after the budget as part of that that long, 70 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: that long saga. 71 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: And Christopher Luckxon hit back at what were described as 72 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: the politics of envy over his house sales. 73 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: Yes, so Christopher Luxon owned a He owned an apartment 74 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: in Wellington, as many in peas do. When he became 75 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: Prime Minister, he was able to move what he had 76 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: the right to move into Premier House. Obviously that that 77 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: whole saga transpired. It needed some central some renovations to 78 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 2: bring it up to standard. He claimed that that continue 79 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: to claim his allowance to live in his apartment and 80 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: then you know there was the drama around around back. 81 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: So he is moving into Premier House now he's moved 82 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: in over the weekend. That meant that he decided to 83 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: sell his apartment earlier. This was pub med last month. 84 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: He sold it. He made a nice capital gain on 85 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: that apartment of about exactly one hundred and eighty thousand 86 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: dollars minus sales fees. And he made some renovations. And 87 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: Labor has used that to play into this debate that 88 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 2: they are starting around the fairness of the tax system. Obviously, 89 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: Labor Labor sort have been trapped in this discussion about 90 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 2: the fairness of the tech system for nearly fifteen years now. 91 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: I think and and and they seem much better at 92 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: sort of discussing it than next to doing anything about it. 93 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: Obviously they had sex years in government and decided not 94 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: to touch those issues. But but Christopher lux And has 95 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: head back at at at Labor kind of using it 96 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: like that. And and And said, you know, he admitted 97 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 2: to being a wealthy guy. Obviously not you know, not 98 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: not that that was any surprise to anyone. And And 99 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: in a series, I mean it was mainly I think 100 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: mainly an interview on news Stars be actually where he 101 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: just used, I suppose some some inopportune language to sort 102 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: of describe the level of of comfort in which he lives. 103 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: I think it's it's he struggles with this issue. I 104 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: think it might be something over the summer break that 105 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 2: he sort of has some media training on. I think 106 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: just in future it was possibly something he might need 107 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: to man is slightly better than he does at the moment, 108 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: more elegant language. 109 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, thank you so much. Thomas really appreciate it. 110 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: Havey good weekend. 111 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: That is Thomas Coglan, the New Zealand Herald Deputy political editor. 112 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: It's twenty one past six. 113 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to 114 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 3: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 115 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.