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Speaker 1: Devin Grays at UK Europe correspondent, the Archbishop of Canterbury

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Speaker 1: has fallen on his sword.

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Speaker 2: Gevins after well a lot of criticism and also frankly

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Speaker 2: some dwindling sport over the last twenty four forty eight hours.

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Speaker 2: Justin Welby had really faced huge pressure to resign because

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Speaker 2: it emerged last week following a very lengthy report that

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Speaker 2: he didn't follow up really rigorously enough on reports that

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Speaker 2: somebody who was quite senior within the Church of England

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Speaker 2: or associated with it was a child abuser and had

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Speaker 2: committed quote abhorrent abuse of more than one hundred boys

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Speaker 2: and young men. John Smith was his name. It was

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Speaker 2: a British barrister. He was abusing boys that he met

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Speaker 2: at Christian summer camps in the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: he is round believed to be the most prolific serial

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Speaker 2: abuser associated with the Church of England. And basically there

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Speaker 2: was a report out and it quite clearly showed that

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Speaker 2: although Justin Welby had looked at that, he had assumed

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Speaker 2: that when it was sent to the police for investigation,

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Speaker 2: that was kind of the end of the matter, and

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Speaker 2: the end of his responsibility. It wasn't and now many

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Speaker 2: people say he quite simply did nothing really about it,

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Speaker 2: and lots of people believe he should have followed up

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Speaker 2: that report with much much greater action, much more decisiveness.

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Speaker 2: And today, as you say, he's fallen on his sword.

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Speaker 1: Sue Gray, who did that report into Boris Johnson and

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Speaker 1: his partying during COVID, then gets chief staff for Starma,

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Speaker 1: then gets basically the boots and given this booby prize

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Speaker 1: job of special invoid to nations and regions. We've got

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Speaker 1: an update on her this morning.

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Speaker 2: Yes, which lots of people I sense her enemies will enjoy.

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Speaker 2: And the news is that she won't actually be taking

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Speaker 2: up that new appointment. As you say, Sue Gray became

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Speaker 2: a household name. She led the government's internal inquiry into

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Speaker 2: the party gate scandal that was, of course, Boris Jrenson

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Speaker 2: and associates within the CIVI Service enjoying drinks and parties

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Speaker 2: when the rest of us were told that we should

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Speaker 2: not be socializing anyway. Her inquiry pretty much put paid

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Speaker 2: to his premiership and she left the Senior Civil Service.

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Speaker 2: It then became clear to become a senior advisor to

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Speaker 2: the leader of the then opposition party that is now

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Speaker 2: the party of government. She was initially pointed to the

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Speaker 2: newly created role after departing Secure Starmer's chiefs of staff

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Speaker 2: last month. That was her original appointment chief of staff.

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Speaker 2: Apparently lots of headlines said that she was getting more

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Speaker 2: money than lots of people, including the Prime Minister. She

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Speaker 2: resigned from that saying she risked becoming a distraction. She

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Speaker 2: was then given another job, which was effectively to look

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Speaker 2: at the role of the regions and nations. She didn't

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Speaker 2: attend the first meeting. We were told she was taking

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Speaker 2: a break, and now we're being told she's not taking

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Speaker 2: the job at all. As I said, run there will

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Speaker 2: be lots of people with a big smile on their

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Speaker 2: face tonight who think that she rather irresponsibly form anyway,

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Speaker 2: brought down the then Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I can just imagine the smiles on the

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Speaker 1: faces of those conservatives. The big question, of course, is

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Speaker 1: who is going to take this most important job of

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Speaker 1: special envoy to nations and regions. It sounds like the

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Speaker 1: type of job you could get a garden gnome to do.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, for.

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