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Speaker 1: The All Blacks are facing a big text test this

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Speaker 1: weekend as the first match and the Bladderslow Cup gets

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Speaker 1: underway against the Wallabyes in Sydney. It's been almost two

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Speaker 1: weeks since the back to back losses against South Africa,

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Speaker 1: so what's going wrong and do they have time to

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Speaker 1: fix it all? Of course Australia is not looking that

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Speaker 1: great themselves, are they? And Kirkpatrick is the former All

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Speaker 1: Blacks captain. I who do you think is going to win?

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Speaker 2: You can you can say what you like about the

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Speaker 2: previous games, but this is just a different one altogether.

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Speaker 2: And so if the All Blacks can start like they

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Speaker 2: did against the spoon Box and Joeburt, I think we've

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Speaker 2: you know, wet a good chance, but you know my

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Speaker 2: take half a game to sort of wear them down

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Speaker 2: or get on top of them. Who knows, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's just a you know, this game now is about

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Speaker 2: it's about physicality and so the team that's up on

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Speaker 2: or will you say, up for it on the day, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they are the ones that will come out. So it's

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Speaker 2: sort of you know, it's yeah, there's I say fifty

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Speaker 2: to fifty, but we'd like to think it might be better

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Speaker 2: than that. But the point you start predicting too much

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Speaker 2: is on most cases are pretty wrong.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad we've got you on the line, And

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Speaker 1: how do you rate raise us so far? How's he doing?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look, he's had you know, he's got the newest

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Speaker 2: team with those guys that retired after the World Cup,

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Speaker 2: and those guys are there for a long time, so

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Speaker 2: you know, there was a pretty good team bonding in

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Speaker 2: that team, and this one's you know, a new new

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Speaker 2: era just about. So yeah, it was wasn't always going

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Speaker 2: to be easy, not going over the Salaga for two

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Speaker 2: in a row there. I mean, that's that's a pretty

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Speaker 2: big call. So you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't judge raises.

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Speaker 2: You know, if it's so far, it's too early yet.

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Speaker 2: What don't these guys are? You know, they'll settle into

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Speaker 2: a pretty good, pretty good team. I think that you know,

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Speaker 2: the teams. I don't think you figured a better team

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Speaker 2: than this, I would have thought. So it's really how

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Speaker 2: they come out on the day and how the opposition

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Speaker 2: sort of play against them. We don't you know, they

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Speaker 2: don't know. They're trying to work out each other what

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Speaker 2: they might be doing or what they could do, but

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Speaker 2: it doesn't always work out that way either, so it's

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Speaker 2: you know, what they're going to play with in front

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Speaker 2: of them. That's a sort of a modern sort of cliche.

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Speaker 3: In summer, you would say you're positive, cautiously optimistic about

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Speaker 3: the state of rugby and New Zealand. You think, give

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Speaker 3: it some time, let them better, and they've got the

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Speaker 3: right team. The coach will get there and eventually we'll

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Speaker 3: get one over South Africa.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, you know, I think you know,

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Speaker 2: we're in New Zealand. If you look at NTC and

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Speaker 2: Super Rugby, you know the teams want to play an

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Speaker 2: open game. I don't. It's not you know, I think

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Speaker 2: there could be a better game to play. Goodness the

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Speaker 2: rules and such that it's combative. There's no space anymore,

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Speaker 2: and it's all about taking it up and trying to

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Speaker 2: get over the advantage line with you know, with Savage,

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Speaker 2: with their big men. It's sort of about size, which

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Speaker 2: is not what the game is really all about really,

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Speaker 2: to be honest. It's about running into space like we

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Speaker 2: did in you know, Post ninety six.

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Speaker 1: And that was the n Kirkpatrick, former All Blacks captain

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Speaker 1: with US twenty three minutes after five. That game. You

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Speaker 1: can hear on Newstalk, said B tomorrow.

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