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Speaker 1: The glow from the secondary teacher's pay deal has VTUS

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Speaker 1: pretty quickly because now the primary Principles back in the ring.

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Speaker 1: They've rejected the government's four point six pay rise, a

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Speaker 1: four point six percent pay rise, and they want what

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Speaker 1: the secondary principles got, and what they got was a

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Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars curriculum change, a balance. Karl Vasov, the

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Speaker 1: principal of robin Dale Primary School A Carlvaso, joins me,

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: Get the Carl good and how are you today?

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Speaker 1: Good? Now, there's going to be some people out there

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Speaker 1: who get no pay rises at all and think, wow,

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Speaker 1: four point six was pretty good, So what was wrong

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Speaker 1: with it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think what it is saying through is that

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Speaker 2: we've been fighting for a long time to get recognition

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Speaker 2: so that we can attract, retain and support principles to

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Speaker 2: do the best job they can for their communities. And

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Speaker 2: quite frankly, we've just had enough of just being told

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Speaker 2: or here this will do, merry Christmas, go away, and

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Speaker 2: so the principles have drawn the line in the sand

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Speaker 2: the NCDO Principles that I belong to and just said

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Speaker 2: that's just not enough to acknowledge the work that we

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Speaker 2: we do every day.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so have you got a percent? I bet you won't,

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Speaker 1: But what sort of percentage would make you happy?

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Speaker 2: What we want is we just want acknowledgement that at

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Speaker 2: the moment we're going through some huge changes and trying

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Speaker 2: to implement these changes in our communities at a pace

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Speaker 2: that keeps up.

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Speaker 1: So, oh dear, have we dropped off? Carl Vaso? Are

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Speaker 1: you still with me or not?

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Speaker 2: I know our community is best and when you're changing

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Speaker 2: the curriculums at such a huge rate at a fast pace,

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Speaker 2: we've got to balance a whole lot of things in

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Speaker 2: our schools to ensure that it's it's effective, that it

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Speaker 2: relates to our kids.

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Speaker 1: Can I get this?

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Speaker 2: It go at whatever rate the government has in their

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Speaker 2: heads about what we're worth inside our communities, we're worth

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Speaker 2: a lot, not just monetary, but you know, support wise

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Speaker 2: all right, you know, community.

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Speaker 1: So what we're what we're talking about here not necessarily

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Speaker 1: is a four point six percent pay rise, but you want,

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Speaker 1: and your your union says as a crushing load to

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Speaker 1: change the curriculum and the secondary school Principle has got

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Speaker 1: a fifteen thousand dollars curriculum change allowance. So if you

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Speaker 1: just got that, would you walk away happy?

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Speaker 2: What I would go away from seeing if that was

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Speaker 2: on the table is that they've acknowledged the work that

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Speaker 2: we do as a principle in my community. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm focused. I've got a low socio economic community, lots

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Speaker 2: of community people that struggle to make ends meet. So

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Speaker 2: for me to continually ask for more and more and more,

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Speaker 2: it's not a really good reflection sometimes. But what I

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Speaker 2: am focused on is that whoever comes after me is

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Speaker 2: equipped with and acknowledged with the right skills and you know,

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Speaker 2: re enumerated in a way that you know, acknowledges the

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Speaker 2: work that they do. So fifteen thousand dollars that the

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Speaker 2: secondary principles got, would you not think that that is

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Speaker 2: fear that the primary principles get it?

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Speaker 1: Well, look it's got a name, and it's a curriculum

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Speaker 1: change allow and so what would that fifteen thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: be used for? And would it help you change the

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Speaker 1: curriculum or not? I mean, I think we're talking at

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Speaker 1: cross purposes here. You're wanting to be valued, Carl, I

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Speaker 1: value you. Well, I'm just talking about I'm just talking

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Speaker 1: about the money that will stop you complaining.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think we're complaining, Andrew. I think what

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Speaker 2: it is is that it's an amount of money that

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Speaker 2: acknowledges that the change that principles are leading in their schools.

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Speaker 2: And so we've got a new curriculum just like the

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Speaker 2: secondary principles. They're implementing change to NCA. We're implementing change

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Speaker 2: to English, structured literacy programs in our school, structured numeracy

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Speaker 2: programs in our schools, trying to change the way in

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Speaker 2: which we teach these things. And we're leading schools, you know,

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Speaker 2: the same size as secondary schools. Secondaries are bigger, no doubt,

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Speaker 2: but they've got a larger staffing allowance that we don't

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Speaker 2: get sometimes when you look at the staffing and the

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Speaker 2: way schools are stuff, you're funded on the size of

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Speaker 2: the shoe size of your kids.

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Speaker 1: All right, Carl, thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 1: Canvasso is the principle of Rowandale Primary School. For more

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