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Speaker 1: The international student numbers are up seventy three thousand enrollments

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Speaker 1: between January and August this year. That's up twenty four

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Speaker 1: percent compared to the same period last year. The numbers

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Speaker 1: are up six percent on twenty twenty three. Totals already

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Speaker 1: still not back to pre COVID levels, though we are

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Speaker 1: seven percent shy of that. Jeff bilbra Is with Education

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. This is a Crown entity set up to

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Speaker 1: promote us basically as a study destination to the world.

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Speaker 2: Jeff, good morning, good morning, how are you today, Thanks

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Speaker 2: leaving me on the show.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you here. This is obviously a big

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Speaker 1: export earner for us. Why, yes, the numbers are good,

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Speaker 1: but why aren't we back to you or doing what

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Speaker 1: the Aussies are doing and beating their pre COVID levels.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, the first thing to note is that in

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Speaker 2: just two terms that we've had more enrollments than we

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Speaker 2: had in all of last year. So that's a good

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Speaker 2: thing to celebrate. Regarding the Australians, what happened and to

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Speaker 2: the Canadians to some extent, what happened during the pandemic

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Speaker 2: is both countries decided to use international students as are

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Speaker 2: economic consentive to help their economy local economies, and they

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Speaker 2: both developed what were quite welcoming policies for international students.

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Speaker 2: Sadly that had not good effects in both countries. And

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Speaker 2: what we're now seen is both Canada and Australia are

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Speaker 2: bringing in cats to international students. In Canada, the student

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Speaker 2: experience was particularly poor and there were reports of students

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Speaker 2: having to use food beats and some sleeping rough and

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Speaker 2: in Australia they lost public support for international education. Now

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Speaker 2: we haven't had either of those experiences the New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Our research suggests that over eighty percent of international students

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Speaker 2: rate their experience very highly and by far the bulk

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Speaker 2: majority of New Zealand is more than seventy percent. Still

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Speaker 2: have very positive experiences and positive perceptions of New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: So both Australia and Canada had very welcoming policies. They

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Speaker 2: got lots of students and it's caused them problems shutting down.

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Speaker 1: But they did get the cash too, didn't they. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's the outside to it. I suppose cats that you're

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Speaker 1: talking about that Australia is going to put in will

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Speaker 1: they benefit us?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? So what's happened now is that the Australian and

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Speaker 2: the Canadian policies look a lot more like us. So

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Speaker 2: if you think of it as a running race, they

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Speaker 2: might have had a bit of a head start before,

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Speaker 2: but now they're back at the starting line alongside us,

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Speaker 2: and so we're starting to see a lot of interest.

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Speaker 2: The agent networks that we have offshore teams work with

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Speaker 2: them daily. They're telling us that there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: interest in New Zealand. We'll do a brand health monitor

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Speaker 2: and we've just got some initial results. I can't give

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Speaker 2: you the numbers, but I can tell you that it's

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Speaker 2: positive and it looks like some of the awareness that

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Speaker 2: we're getting and some of the interests is at the

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Speaker 2: expense of the Australian. So definitely it's a good period

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand. But I think we need to recognize

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Speaker 2: that the sort of the steady growth that we've had

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Speaker 2: over the past three years since the border has reopened

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Speaker 2: has been to the benefit of both the sector and

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Speaker 2: the student and the sect that has been able to

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Speaker 2: build their capacity back steadily and the students experience has

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Speaker 2: continued to be good through that period.

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Speaker 1: Without a sort of rip shit and bustling like Australia

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Speaker 1: and Canada have done. Jeff, My words, not yours, Jeff, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for being on the very Ryan

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Speaker 1: Jeff Pilb, who is with education in New Zealand. For

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