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Speaker 1: Boot camps are back for young offenders. This is the

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Speaker 1: second pilot, starting Monday, ten teenagers. Last time, six of

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Speaker 1: the ten participants reoffended while they were on the program.

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Speaker 1: One of them died in a car accident sadly.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: A review acknowledged the extent of the reoffending, but also

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Speaker 1: noted the seriousness and the frequency of the offending had

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Speaker 1: reduced for those in the pilot when compared to a

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Speaker 1: control group. Aaron Hendry is youth development worker and Kickback

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Speaker 1: co founder with me this morning. Hey Aaron, Hey sure,

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Speaker 1: I man, good, thank you. So. Look, it's not perfect,

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Speaker 1: but none of these things are, but it sounds like

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Speaker 1: there might be a glimmer of hope there.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think if we stood back and loot of

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Speaker 2: the evidence and expertise around, you know what really works

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Speaker 2: for kids, we wouldn't be we wouldn't be going ahead

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Speaker 2: with another boot camp. Basically, essentially, what we're trying to

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Speaker 2: do is make an already flawed child prison system work.

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Speaker 2: We're putting millions of dollars into this project for a

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Speaker 2: very small cohort of young people. At the same time,

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Speaker 2: we're pulling the resources out of the community that are

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Speaker 2: essentially needed to prevent children from needed to come into

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Speaker 2: the justice system in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Where are the resources being pulled from these millions?

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Speaker 2: Look, look, what we're seeing, at least in the community

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Speaker 2: is a real lack of access to housing. There's a

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Speaker 2: real lack of you know, intensive support for FINO for children,

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Speaker 2: and the kickback the kids that keep back serves that

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Speaker 2: these are the kids that are on their pathway to

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Speaker 2: the justice system, right These are children that are experiencing homelessness,

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Speaker 2: that are sleeping rough you know, the youngest wood men

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Speaker 2: is nine, starting to steal to survive, starting to get

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Speaker 2: into really like dangerous situations and doing some pretty dangerous stuff. Right.

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Speaker 2: There is not the resources in the community right now

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Speaker 2: to adequately respond to those children with the speed that

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Speaker 2: they need that response. And that has gotten a lot

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Speaker 2: harder over the last couple of years. And so what

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Speaker 2: our government should be doing and have been advised to do,

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Speaker 2: is start to really invest in our community so we

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Speaker 2: can do that early intervention really really well. And where

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Speaker 2: is that where there is a need for you know,

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Speaker 2: a far more intensive reproound support that that is done

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Speaker 2: within local communities, within final environments, and we provide the

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Speaker 2: support both to Fino and to Tamaitiki and Tonga. Right,

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Speaker 2: one of the concerning things I think we have around

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Speaker 2: the extend of the second boot camp, right, so we've

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Speaker 2: we've extended it now so three months to six months.

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Speaker 2: That's going to be resource intensive. But what we know

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Speaker 2: is where the boot camp has failed is in the transition.

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Speaker 2: So the government knew this coming into it, where they

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Speaker 2: struggle as a transition. Now that that's that's the resources

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Speaker 2: around housing support, addressing poverty, addressing what's going with a

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Speaker 2: final home, access to disability support, final support, all those

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Speaker 2: sort of things. That investment supports early intervention and it

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Speaker 2: supports transition, but we aren't seeing a real significant increase

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Speaker 2: in the resources to go into that transition. We always

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Speaker 2: know that in a real secure environment like the you know,

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Speaker 2: like the boot camps, like other child prison models, you're

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Speaker 2: going to reduce advanisure in that short period of time

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Speaker 2: while they're in they're in the care.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned a nine year old that you're looking after

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Speaker 1: that's stealing to survive or about to stay stealing to survive.

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Speaker 1: What's where's why is where is the nine year old living?

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Speaker 1: And why aren't they getting money?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So we meet, we meet a range of children. Right,

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Speaker 2: so we had you know, almost twenty percent of the

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Speaker 2: children that we met over the young people we serve

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Speaker 2: over last year, we're under fifteen, right, So these are

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Speaker 2: kids that they're FINO often really struggling in poverty, housing

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Speaker 2: and security, homelessness themselves. You know, many of the children

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Speaker 2: that we see coming through our doors that are in

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Speaker 2: those situations have some form of disability, form of disability.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this nine year old, I mean, it's quite a

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Speaker 1: shocking example. You've raised this nine year old. So where's

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Speaker 1: mum and dad? Where are they living?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Look, I won't speak about like very specific circumstances,

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Speaker 2: but what I'll say in terms of the context of

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Speaker 2: the children that we about the context of the children

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Speaker 2: that we meet, including you know, kids as young as

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Speaker 2: there is that that often the FINO themselves are in

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Speaker 2: politic they're often experiencing homestide, and the many many times

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Speaker 2: the talking and the families that we're talking about really

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Speaker 2: love their kids and are trying to do the best

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Speaker 2: they can to support them. But the real comp six

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Speaker 2: stuff happening for those children, and the support for the

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Speaker 2: final who just is not there and know I said before,

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Speaker 2: you know that they're consume around faced and other disabilities.

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Speaker 2: Some parents are just really struggling to understand how can

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Speaker 2: we support our child with all the stuff that they've

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Speaker 2: gone through and they don't have the adequate support something

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Speaker 2: from the children we're talking about right now, Yeah, looking

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Speaker 2: like needing life long support and those resources aren't in

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Speaker 2: place for them.

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Speaker 1: I've got to live there, Aaron, We've got to run.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Hendri, youth development worker. Kickback co founded for more

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