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Speaker 1: The much debated after eight Tim and Katy by the

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Speaker 1: way for Friday, the much debated youth boot camp starting

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Speaker 1: next month. The surprise though, is the offenders won't be

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Speaker 1: detained for as long as we thought. The leaked email

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Speaker 1: from rang A Tamariki says they'll be in camp for

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Speaker 1: just three months. The other nine they'll be in community

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Speaker 1: with family involvement in one on one mental support. Billy

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Speaker 1: Grahame Youth Foundation did a review on the military boot camps.

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Speaker 1: The chief executive, David Graham, is with us on this. David,

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Speaker 1: very good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Mike.

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Speaker 1: Broadly speaking, a boot camps an answer or some sort

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Speaker 1: of answer.

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Speaker 2: What we know historically from the literature review that we

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Speaker 2: commissioned from Impact Lab last year is that in the

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Speaker 2: short term up to eighteen months, there was a reduction

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Speaker 2: in reoffending. After that two year period that went down

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Speaker 2: to mill pretty much, and so reoffending kicked back off

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Speaker 2: after that two year period.

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Speaker 1: So it works until it doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it works in the short term. The challenge that

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Speaker 2: we've got is that unless we get that transition period wide,

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Speaker 2: and this is what all boils down to, and this

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Speaker 2: is not just with the young offenders. If we don't

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Speaker 2: get the transition right from a residential environment back into

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Speaker 2: the community, it's just too difficult for these young people

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Speaker 2: to stay on the on the straight.

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Speaker 1: And there is that a family thing, because I note

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Speaker 1: in this the in contact with family if they come

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Speaker 1: from dodgy families, isn't that part of the problem.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it is. Yeah, dodgy families. You could, boy

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Speaker 2: could dig down to that. I think that it's not

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Speaker 2: just that though, if I think about the work we've

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Speaker 2: been doing out of the Nine Boxing Academy for a

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Speaker 2: long time now, and the research shows that if you've

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Speaker 2: got a good community, an attractive hook, that brings that

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Speaker 2: young person into that community. So box young person of

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Speaker 2: the young person's choosing to engage in the environment, that's

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Speaker 2: the trick. But they want to be there. Will they

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Speaker 2: catch the bus, will they walk down the street because

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Speaker 2: they want to be in that environment. That's that's the case.

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Speaker 2: And they want into that environment. And there's a good

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Speaker 2: social setting there, all the positive air pressure, they've got

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Speaker 2: adults that they respect and look up to. It's actually

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Speaker 2: surprising how yes all of that, that the family environment

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Speaker 2: might not be so hot or it says that over

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Speaker 2: the long run, young people engage in those types of activities.

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Speaker 2: I actually end up doing all right for the most part.

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Speaker 1: The one on one mental support. I'm reading the iring

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Speaker 1: and Tama Ricky think they said it's got to be

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Speaker 1: the same person, one on one, same person. I like

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Speaker 1: that and that seems to make sense. Is that fair?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's not easy to build trust with these young people,

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Speaker 2: and you're not fair enough. If you look at the

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Speaker 2: lives that these Kiudse have had to lead and the

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Speaker 2: things I've been exposed to, it's not very easy to

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Speaker 2: build trust with them. And so if we can establish

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Speaker 2: that through these military academies or history, any means, you

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Speaker 2: want to protect that at all costs, and that's going

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Speaker 2: to be central. I think from the information that we

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Speaker 2: can see, that can be central to supporting that transition.

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Speaker 2: If we've got a trusted person that can engage with

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Speaker 2: this young person, support them throughout the residential component and

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Speaker 2: then back into their communities, then at least on paper,

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Speaker 2: I think that's not looking too bad.

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Speaker 1: Good. Okay, we'll see how it goes because it starts

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Speaker 1: next month and there will be plenty of interest in it.

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Speaker 1: David appreciated. David Graham, who's Billy Graham Youth Foundation Chief Executive.

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