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Speaker 1: Now as we know, this is what mentioned yesterday. There

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Speaker 1: is only one doctor in the country who will have

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Speaker 1: the permission to prescribe those magic mushrooms. David Seymour yesterday

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Speaker 1: didn't want to tell us who it was. But the

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Speaker 1: guy is out at himself. He is Professor Cameron Lacey

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Speaker 1: at Olimbia's Health in christ So let's have a chat.

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Speaker 1: Dam high, Cameron cured Heather, why do you out yourself?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's been a long time coming, a lot of

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Speaker 2: work and very little for people who have been following

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Speaker 2: this film to work out thought twice.

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Speaker 1: David Seymore was reluctant to name you yesterday because he

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Speaker 1: thought you were going to get swamped by calls. Have

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Speaker 1: you been.

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Speaker 2: Yes. It's frcazing to see the response and deal of interest.

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Speaker 2: I think it speaks to to the demand and eagerness

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Speaker 2: with which people have been following this field for some time.

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Speaker 1: Cameron, I saw quite an astounding number today. It was

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Speaker 1: about it suggested that thirty to forty percent of people

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Speaker 1: who suffer from DEPRESSI normal. If we consider you know,

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Speaker 1: like normal, normal help would not assist them and so

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Speaker 1: they would need to look to something like this in

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Speaker 1: the number is something like two hundred and eighty three

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Speaker 1: thousand people. Is that about right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is an enormous number of people who have

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Speaker 2: from insuring residual symptoms and sometimes severed depression for many years,

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Speaker 2: who have helped or minimally helped or have to endure

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Speaker 2: long terms of DART effects with standard treatments.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And so if they were to go through the

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Speaker 1: magic mushroom treatment, would it necessarily help them?

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Speaker 2: Well? Overseas research suggests that about two thirds of people

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Speaker 2: will have a significant response or improvement with a psarocyber

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Speaker 2: assisted psychotherapy. So that's a substantial improvement in the likelihood

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Speaker 2: of recovery. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And is it for as a lifelong cure or is

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Speaker 1: it for a couple of years?

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Speaker 2: We only have recent to about two years follow up,

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Speaker 2: but it looks like for those that do have a

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Speaker 2: good response that tend to remain well.

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Speaker 1: And Cameron, it sounds like it's quite an involved thing,

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Speaker 1: Like you don't just get some magic mushroom pills to

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Speaker 1: take home.

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Speaker 2: Do you. No. This is a resource intensive treatment that

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Speaker 2: requires a course psychotherapy combined with a dosing session which

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Speaker 2: is eight hours duration. Supported by myself and Professor Marie Crow.

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Speaker 2: So it is a resource intensive exercise.

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Speaker 1: Do you basically put people through a full trip?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very significant experience. People describe the experience

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Speaker 2: of psilocybin as one of the most significant events in

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Speaker 2: their lives, and they can have very significant spiritual and

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Speaker 2: emotional experiences and insights about themselves, connectiveness to the world

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Speaker 2: and others during that time.

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Speaker 1: Cameron, how does it work?

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Speaker 2: Do it?

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Speaker 1: Why does it change things for people when normal treatment doesn't.

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Speaker 2: So, there's a number of theories about how it works,

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Speaker 2: both from the recept level through to default mode networks

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Speaker 2: and the brain to psychological theories which I tend to

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Speaker 2: favor because they're easier to understand. And that is that

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Speaker 2: the insights that people have during the experience can change

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Speaker 2: the perception of themselves, the connectionsness to others, and then

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Speaker 2: through the psychotherapy following that, you are then able to

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Speaker 2: leverage those insights gained and creating meaningful change.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff, Hey, Cameron, thanks so much, appreciate it. Professor

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Speaker 1: Cameron Lacey, who's the psychiatrist who prescribes the magic mushrooms.

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