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Speaker 1: Joe McKenna, How are you great, Mike, how are you well?

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Speaker 1: Indeed you got the Christmas lights up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're starting to pop up. Get a hunting it

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Speaker 2: into the mood.

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Speaker 1: I love it now. This was a lot of interests

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Speaker 1: are saying before a lot of interest in Australia over this.

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Speaker 1: So I can't remembers that the mother or the father

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Speaker 1: is Australian, one's British, one's Australia.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have an Australian mother, Catherine Birmingham from Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: And the husband that we're talking about is Nathan Trevillion.

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Speaker 2: He's from Bristol. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So they're out in the woods doing their off grid thing.

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Speaker 1: But really, you don't want to eat a lot of

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Speaker 1: these weird mushrooms because you leaned up in the hospital.

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Speaker 1: Next thing, the Italian authorities are knocking on your door.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. They bought this property, just a

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Speaker 2: little farmhouse in Abruzzo, east of Rome in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: They came to the attention of the authorities a year

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Speaker 2: ago in September when they were foraging for mushrooms. They

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Speaker 2: all fell ill and went to hospital and the Carabinieri

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Speaker 2: police have been monitoring them social services and last week

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Speaker 2: a local court children's court removed the children from the

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Speaker 2: parents and they are being held in a shelter in

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Speaker 2: a different part of Abruzzo until the appeal goes through

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Speaker 2: the courts, probably in the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: How angsty do people get about these sort of things,

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Speaker 1: rights of the parents', rights of the state, all that

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Speaker 1: sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's incredible, Mike, what this has been like in Italy.

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Speaker 2: The whole country seems to be obsessed with this case

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Speaker 2: right now. One hundred and fifty thousand people have signed

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Speaker 2: a petition online support for the family, including the far

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Speaker 2: right leader Matteo Salvini from the League. The Deputy Prime Minister,

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Speaker 2: he compared the case to a kidnapping. The Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: Georgia Maloney expressed alarm about the case. Today the Justice

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Speaker 2: Minister Carlo Nordio threatened disciplinary measures against the judges if

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Speaker 2: they're found to have acted incorrectly. And this is part

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Speaker 2: of a bigger fight between the government and the judiciary.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, of course, speaking of governents who've been voting down

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Speaker 1: south now, the opposition have done well. The opposition have

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Speaker 1: been expected to do well in the southern part or not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. I'm taking it fairly cautiously that

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are saying this is bad news

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Speaker 2: for Maloney. But in these regions Campagna and Pulia, the

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Speaker 2: center left parties were expected to win. They did win.

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Speaker 2: But when you look at the map overall, it's a

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Speaker 2: three all draw now, and I think it is pause

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Speaker 2: for thought for the Prime ministry if she does want

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Speaker 2: to look at a reelection, just what that means for

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Speaker 2: her nationally? Ok?

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Speaker 1: When she du for an election nationally, So.

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Speaker 2: She's three years in, we've got another two years. It's

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Speaker 2: a five year term.

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Speaker 1: Got ages to things ago brilliantly or disastrously? Who would

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Speaker 1: know this? Now? I do need your expertise here because

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Speaker 1: I'm reading about this femicide thing. Is this win and

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Speaker 1: I mean the vote was unanimous, But is this symbolic?

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Speaker 1: Is this window dressing or do this something tangible happen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Good question. How do you prove that the murder

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Speaker 2: of someone is related to their sexual identity, their gender?

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that. It looks very much like

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Speaker 2: a symbolic gesture. It's unusual to see all the MPs

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Speaker 2: uniting and voting unanimously was approved on the day that

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Speaker 2: internationally is dedicated to stop violence against women. So they're

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Speaker 2: doing all the right things, but what does that really

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Speaker 2: mean on the ground. I think the experts are saying,

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Speaker 2: we need more education, we need to change the way

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Speaker 2: young boys are thinking.

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Speaker 1: Of course, So who would rule I mean, so someone

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Speaker 1: gets murdered, who would rule this has been a femosite

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Speaker 1: as opposed to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it would be up to the courts, obviously,

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Speaker 2: to say that this has been a femicide, this murder.

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Speaker 1: Would you be charged with gmicide do you know? Or

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Speaker 1: just murder?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Unclear, but it says it's a law on femoside.

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Speaker 2: So interesting, it's not quite clear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems odd, all right, Joe, nice to catch

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Speaker 1: up with you. Thanks my Joe McKenna. In Italy, of course,

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Speaker 1: the reason because Maloney drove it, so it came from

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Speaker 1: the top, and the point being from now on Italy

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Speaker 1: will record every murder of a woman that is motivated

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Speaker 1: by her gender as femicide. But you've got to cross

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Speaker 1: the line somewhere judicially or legally on the motivation, which

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Speaker 1: makes it I suggest, probably more symboly For more from

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