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Speaker 1: Barry so Per, senior political correspondence with US High Barry.

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Heather Barry, what do you make I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're going to need a significant inquiry into what's going

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Speaker 1: on here with the Marti Party, aren't we.

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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, it's got to be more than Statistics New

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Speaker 2: Zealand who were in charge, of course of the censors. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: any political party that uses what is private information to

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Speaker 2: get the names of people in the area that they

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Speaker 2: then contact. This is the allegation. Nothing's been proven yet,

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Speaker 2: although a lot of people have come out that were working.

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Speaker 1: There's a cody. I mean, there's something to answer, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Basically, the MP she won the seat by forty two

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Speaker 2: votes over Penny. Now if I was I'd be certainly

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Speaker 2: looking at the count again at least and why was

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Speaker 2: it that way? So and she if these allegations were proven,

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Speaker 2: she would have to leave parliament, I would imagine, and

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Speaker 2: there would be a by election there because it's you know,

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Speaker 2: it was a seat that was won by her. But Hipkins,

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Speaker 2: says Chris Hipkins, he was interviewed this morning about it.

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Speaker 2: He said, essentially, if there is any improper behavior or

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Speaker 2: improper conduct, then it's important that we find out exactly

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Speaker 2: what happened, and I think it's very important as well.

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Speaker 2: He said though, and it's a fair point. He didn't

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Speaker 2: want any mud eye to stop helping Mardi get vaccinated

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Speaker 2: and apply for an electoral role or fill out Census

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Speaker 2: Fords forms, but he said there has to be clear

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Speaker 2: delineations and you can underscore that one. There's no doubt

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Speaker 2: about that. The Labor leader says. The inquiry into the

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Speaker 2: allegations to basically extend, has to extend further than statistics.

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Speaker 3: New Zealand the Electoral Commission certainly need to be involved

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Speaker 3: because any any allegations of impropriety in terms of what

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Speaker 3: candidates have done, that needs to be closely looked at.

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Speaker 3: Step New Zealand need to be involved in making sure

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Speaker 3: that no data that was collected as part of the

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Speaker 3: census was then used for a different purpose that it

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Speaker 3: wasn't intended for, So that's important. I think we now

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Speaker 3: need to add Health endz into the list as well,

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Speaker 3: so to make sure that vaccine data, you know, people's

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Speaker 3: personal health information hasn't been inappropriately used. And then the

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Speaker 3: final entity is ultimately the police. If the Electoral Commission

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Speaker 3: find that you know there's an illegal practice has been

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Speaker 3: engaged in terms of the campaign, then that's a matter

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Speaker 3: for the police. So I think all four of those

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Speaker 3: entities need to be involved in making sure that what's

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Speaker 3: happened here is all completely legitimate and above board.

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Speaker 2: Ye see, it's going to be very difficult for Labor

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Speaker 2: this one because they can't really afford to alienate the

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Speaker 2: Moldi Party because they're likely to need them unless they

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Speaker 2: win the seats back themselves. But to need them in

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Speaker 2: a coalition arrangement election, well, totally.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand going to elect that particular.

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Speaker 2: Flavor Labor would be unelectable.

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Speaker 1: So Labour needs to crush them.

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Speaker 2: Labour needs well, it needs to do I think Chris

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Speaker 2: Hopkins was sort of attempting to do there, to take

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Speaker 2: it at arm's length. Christopher Lakson, who of course is

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Speaker 2: a NWE well was a NUE. He said the allegations

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Speaker 2: were serious and they certainly deserved to be investigated. So

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Speaker 2: you've got the two leaders of the two main parties

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Speaker 2: saying investigations have to take place. Statistics in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: really has to become part of what is a.

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Speaker 1: Much wider investigation, and the reason there has to be

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Speaker 1: a wider investigation, I would think as well, is because

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Speaker 1: some of these these government agencies who gave the money

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Speaker 1: may in fact be embarrassed about their relationship with some

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Speaker 1: of these parties, and so may not, you know, it

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Speaker 1: may not be in their best interests to actually necessarily

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Speaker 1: do a massive investigation, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: And there were complaints laid to the likes of the

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Speaker 2: Electoral Commission, and they for some reason seemed to say, well,

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Speaker 2: nothing to see. Commission should have they should have nipped

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Speaker 2: it right in the b which is what their jobs have.

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Speaker 1: Waved a lot through. By the looks of things. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I was under the impression that the inter Ryland of fairies,

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Speaker 1: we were just sort of dealing with drawings when we

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Speaker 1: canceled it, but much much more. The engines had already

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Speaker 1: been built and tested.

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Speaker 2: Well. There was a written parliamentary question to the State

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Speaker 2: Owned Enterprises Minister Paul Goldsmith, and he was asked what

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Speaker 2: work had been completed on the ferries. He basically Kubrale

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Speaker 2: advised eighty seven percent of drawings for the two ships

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Speaker 2: had been submitted. Goldsmith said, but the first ship, basically

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Speaker 2: the engine room had been built on the sounds of it,

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Speaker 2: and the second ship the similarly, there were a lot

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Speaker 2: alternators had been built and tested and accepted. Safety and

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Speaker 2: controlled systems for both ships had been tested and accepted.

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Speaker 2: The dockyard apparently also blasted in primes some metal for

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Speaker 2: later stages in the construction.

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Speaker 1: So we're not going to come out without this costing

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Speaker 1: us a pretty penny.

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Speaker 2: We've got a contract break fee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the biggest problem is you can imagine this will

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Speaker 2: be hundreds of millions of dollars and yet we still

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Speaker 2: have to replace these fairies. May I'll show you that

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Speaker 2: we have to build births on either side.

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Speaker 1: It might have actually been smart just to carry on

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Speaker 1: with the thing. At the end of the day. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: this is turning into this government's Auckland light rail, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: Where a whole bunch of money are spent, you get nothing.

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Speaker 2: You feel how I feel for the likes of Kiwi

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Speaker 2: Roll because you can imagine them going to South Korea, yeah,

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Speaker 2: talking to the people that they had signed the contract with,

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Speaker 2: only to turn up on February the eighth and saying no,

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Speaker 2: it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Barry, thank you, very much. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent.

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