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Speaker 2: Good afternoon seven minutes after four Helen Clark on Trump

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Speaker 2: and Gaza. After five this evening. David Seymour on Whitehungey

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Speaker 2: to the person who's just checked in chest text into

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Speaker 2: the show to say, please don't spout on about the

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Speaker 2: unemployment rate this afternoon. Don't worry. There will be one

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Speaker 2: interview on the unemployment rate and we will do that

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Speaker 2: at five point fifteen this evening. And New Zealand is

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Speaker 2: getting a new coal lounge for business and first class

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Speaker 2: passengers to keep us great unwashed out. I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: all about that. Plus Dan Mitchison in the in the

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Speaker 2: US and Gavin Gray in the UK.

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Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to know what to take seriously with Trump,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. He makes threats as a negotiating tactic. So

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Speaker 2: is this just one of those. Today's pledge to take

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Speaker 2: over Gaza and replace it with a riviera of the

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Speaker 2: Middle East sounds absurd. He says, It'll be filled with

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Speaker 2: people from all over the world, like a New Dubai.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be beautiful. The US will take over

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Speaker 2: and quote own it, bulldoze the rubble and lack of Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: Gaza will rise from the ashes with more jobs than

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Speaker 2: you could ever need. This is a truly bizarre situation

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Speaker 2: and if it sounds fanciful and ridiculous, that's because it is.

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Speaker 2: And it would completely upend eighty odd years of general

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Speaker 2: agreement on how the region was to operate after World

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Speaker 2: War Two? So is this a tactic to scare himas

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Speaker 2: is he serious? Would the world let this happen? The

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Speaker 2: UN considers Palestine an independent state, including the occupied Palestinian

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Speaker 2: that now? And what does it mean for the two

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Speaker 2: state solution that everyone talks about. ALBINIZI, I can tell

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Speaker 2: you has just given a presser. His line is, we

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Speaker 2: he's in touch, we'll let you know. It's a tightrope

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Speaker 2: to walk this one. No country wants to criticize the

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Speaker 2: guy who's lobbing tariffs around the world like grenades. But

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Speaker 2: there's also no way you can allow the US to

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Speaker 2: just roll into the Middle East with bull bulldozers to

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Speaker 2: build a new hotel chain and set up some Starbucks

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Speaker 2: in the McDonald's. Here's the thing about Trump. I followed

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Speaker 2: what he promised. He has huge support amongst veterans and

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Speaker 2: the military for his peace through strength approach, and that

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Speaker 2: means basically that his mouth does the fighting, not men

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Speaker 2: and women in uniform. And they'll be hoping that today's

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Speaker 2: talk is just that. Using words like taking over has

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Speaker 3: Brian Bradley ten after.

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Speaker 2: Four news talks there b to the bombshell announcement from

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Speaker 2: the UK. Now a group of experts are claiming that

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Speaker 2: convicted British serial killer Lucy Letbee didn't murder a single

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Speaker 2: oh right, thank you for being with me. First of all,

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Speaker 4: The conviction was based that they were dosed with insulin

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Speaker 2: So the argument to be made, and I could understand

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't know nurse murderers, and these convictions are probably

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Speaker 4: an interesting field of our sociological study and their own right.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupissy Alan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 2: Nineteen after four News Talks ZIB, Darcy, Walter Groves, who

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Speaker 2: was sport Darcy Good afternoon.

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Speaker 5: Ryan, Good afternoon to yourself.

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Speaker 2: TJ Perrenar the protest, the Hakka, We've had the full

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Speaker 6: What's your take that you use any situation you can

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Speaker 7: That's not right.

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Speaker 5: I just think it shows I know he is very

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Speaker 2: I don't think because the guys that they had no

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Speaker 5: They had no idea about what he was actually So

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Speaker 5: I don't think the message was a bad message, but

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Speaker 5: I'm going to walk. So it puts New Zealand Rugby

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Speaker 5: Do we let him do it and risk blowback or

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Speaker 2: It is indeed Super Rugby has done this big season launch.

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Speaker 5: No, and if you look at the Crusaders, and I'd

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Speaker 2: That'd be four twenty six. Trump and Nitinya who have

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Speaker 8: It should not go through a process every building and

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Speaker 8: Instead, we should go to other countries of interest with

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Speaker 8: It's envision world people living there, the world's people. I

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Speaker 2: Twenty four away from five year, news Talk said B

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Speaker 2: are so. Quarter to four unemployment numbers out five point

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks. He'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Trump has shocked the world and the press pack announcing

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Speaker 8: The US will take over the Gaza Strip and we

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Speaker 8: and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded

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Speaker 2: International commentators are struggling to work out exactly what the

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Speaker 10: This is an intractable part of the world, and if

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump Junior has been making headlines as well. He

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Speaker 2: Twenty one to five. Dan Mitchison is stateside for US.

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Speaker 2: Dan Good afternoon.

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Speaker 12: Hey Brian, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: What are we thinking about Trump and the Gaza plane?

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Speaker 12: You know, I think there's some clarification going on with

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Speaker 2: Yes, so he's not talking about any kind of military reaction.

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Speaker 2: He's just talking about developing Gaza. Who's that? But he's

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Speaker 2: I mean, how's that going to happen?

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Speaker 12: I mean that these are all good questions right now.

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Speaker 12: I mean he's saying that that that you know, he

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Speaker 12: He said where they they wouldn't want to return. Maybe

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Speaker 12: The place has been hell? And I think he said

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Speaker 12: do what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: It's a brimocracy, that's what it is. Dan He yes, Hey,

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Speaker 2: what's what's Biden been up to lately?

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Speaker 12: Well, he's got himself an agent. Actually, he had this

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Speaker 12: agent before a few years ago for a Creative Artists agency,

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Speaker 12: which is what a lot of the big name Hollywood

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Speaker 12: people have. Former President Obama is repped by this agency,

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Speaker 12: so is his wife. And when he had him the

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Speaker 12: first time around back and I think it was between

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Speaker 12: two twenty seventeen and twenty twenty, they published a book

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Speaker 12: and that was kind about it.

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Speaker 3: And you look at.

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Speaker 12: What Biden is going to do, and you're kind of wondering, well,

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Speaker 12: what can he offer?

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Speaker 9: I mean when.

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Speaker 12: President Obama left office, I mean he was working with Netflix,

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Speaker 12: and he had television specials, and he went podcasts and developing.

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Speaker 12: I mean, it might be fun to imagine Biden as

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Speaker 12: his Hollywood star, but I think really this agency's going

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Speaker 12: to focus more on publishing books and maybe some speaking engagements.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say the writing would be about

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Speaker 2: the only thing that he's got, the only avenue he's

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Speaker 2: got left to tell his stories. Do you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? I mean, the idea of a four hour

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Speaker 2: ted talk or something just probably isn't practical at this point,

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Speaker 2: is it. Yeah, not with his former president now. Dan,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for that. Great to have you

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Speaker 2: on the show. Dan Mitche and our US correspondent, just

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Speaker 2: gone sixteen minutes away from five to Long on the

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Speaker 2: short of it, we don't really know what Trump's plans

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Speaker 2: are for Gaza, but it sounds like it sounds bad,

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Speaker 2: but it may not actually be that bad. Helen Clark

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Speaker 2: on that after five News Talk, say'd be very sober next,

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Speaker 2: and actually some great audio of Seymour and Guy Williams

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Speaker 2: going at it at WAITANGI just gone sixteen away from

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Speaker 2: five News Talks, said be so m Fat had put

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Speaker 2: a statement out Winston Peters has directed us to m FAT.

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Speaker 2: They've put a statement out on Trump and his Gaza

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Speaker 2: speech today. They're saying basically nothing. It's the same line

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Speaker 2: that the Australians that Albanezi gave for that press conference

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Speaker 2: not so long ago. New Zealand is following the range

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Speaker 2: of discussions closely. While we won't be commenting on every

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Speaker 2: proposal that has put ford, New z anim will continue

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Speaker 2: to work with our partners to encourage a stable and

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Speaker 2: prosperous Middle East, et cetera, et cetera. New Zealand's long

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Speaker 2: standing support for a two state solution is on the record.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centric cre to check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: Barry Sobers here, Hey Berry, good afternoon.

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Speaker 13: Run.

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Speaker 14: The Palestinian people would be dancing in the rubble, wouldn't

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Speaker 14: they with Donald Trump moving in turning it to the

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Speaker 14: riviera of the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: His your clients said, I mean it's I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: hard to know with Donald Trump exactly what's going on,

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Speaker 2: but it's not a military intervention thing. It's more of

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Speaker 2: a development, a development opportunity by the sound of it.

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Speaker 2: Hey Seymour. Feelings the feeling the heat of white'hanging well.

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Speaker 14: You'd have to say, wouldn't you, Ryan, If you're a

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Speaker 14: seat to write politician going to White Tangey, you've got

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Speaker 14: to be something about masochist.

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Speaker 7: I mean, we.

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Speaker 14: Saw Stephen Joyce having a duldo thrond at him once,

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Speaker 14: we saw Don Brush having mud slung at him. We

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Speaker 14: saw John Key being roughed up, remember that spat at

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Speaker 14: Well today the Treaty Settlement's bill. Did David Seymour know

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Speaker 14: good at all? And I think you know, Chris Luxon

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Speaker 14: made the right decision and staying away from the place.

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Speaker 14: If these people can't listen to argument, then what's the

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Speaker 14: point of the politicians being there. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 14: it's great for the opposition politicians because they can turn

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Speaker 14: up and say, look, we'll do everything for you. And

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Speaker 14: indeed Labor did do a lot for Mardy in terms

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Speaker 14: of appeasing.

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Speaker 7: Their every wish.

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Speaker 14: But now that we've got to suffer the consequences of that.

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Speaker 2: To be fair to everyone on them, and I though

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Speaker 2: not everybody agreed with the action that they took taking

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Speaker 2: away that microphone, did they? So there was a commander

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Speaker 2: who brought it back he's obviously disagreement about the behavior

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Speaker 2: that went on.

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Speaker 14: Well, the behavior towards David Seymour was very bad indeed,

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Speaker 14: but it wasn't just the moldy behavior towards David Seymour.

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Speaker 14: He certainly did feel the flat from Marty. But the

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Speaker 14: most inflammatory exchange came from the former partner of Disgrace

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Speaker 14: Green's MP Goldris Garriman, a fellow by the name of

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Speaker 14: Guy Williams.

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Speaker 11: Ever listen touring Poison in One's Ears a quote from

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Speaker 11: Hamlet about putting mistruths in people's minds, and I believe

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Speaker 11: that's what people have done about my bill.

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Speaker 15: Well, a lot of people saying that's what you're doing,

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Speaker 15: you're spreading misinformation.

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Speaker 9: Well can you give them an example.

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Speaker 15: Ah, you're trying to say that Maldia causing divisions and

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Speaker 15: racist when it seems like that's what you're doing.

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Speaker 11: No, I've never said that at all.

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Speaker 9: I've said this, don't lie to me. No, I've never

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Speaker 9: said that at all.

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Speaker 11: That's why you're not a real journalist, these guys are

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Speaker 11: you actually get some sense of hope in your life.

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Speaker 11: That's what will improve the relationship for all New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Does not just Marty.

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Speaker 15: You don't really believe this though, like you're saying, I'm

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Speaker 15: not a real journalist. But even I can see through

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Speaker 15: this bullshit like you're spinning shit, you're started about you.

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Speaker 11: It's worse than that. You're not even a real comedian.

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Speaker 11: You know when I when I grew up as a

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Speaker 11: kid in this country, comedians for fun. They were clever,

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Speaker 11: they were was he what's gone wrong?

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Speaker 7: I'm all right, yeah, I know the only.

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Speaker 14: Person honestly, and do you know what he did? The

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Speaker 14: David Smurray does have a pretty good sense of humor.

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Speaker 14: He then turned to Simon Wilson from The Herald and said, look,

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Speaker 14: I'll take a question from you, sir. Things have got

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Speaker 14: to be desperate. So I was quite funny. I mean,

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Speaker 14: you know, I mean he did turn what was a

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Speaker 14: completely offensive situation into something that I thought was quite funny.

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Speaker 2: That is that is that's that's really tickled me this time.

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Speaker 2: I actually went to university with guy Williams. He lived

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Speaker 2: in the room next to me for about a year.

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Speaker 2: He's a nice guy. He actually wanted to be a

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Speaker 2: politician when he was going to get there by that

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Speaker 2: sort of Hey, Shane Jones Meanwhile, he might be a

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Speaker 2: bit hangover from his party last night. He's saying, we'll

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Speaker 2: take your money off your white tangy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, what.

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Speaker 14: Jane Jones is saying. And as you say, he didn't

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Speaker 14: come out of party of four hundred and fifty people

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Speaker 14: last night, so he wouldn't been feeling that well this morning.

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't have thought.

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Speaker 14: But he says, there's something seriously awry about the architecture

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Speaker 14: of the whole day and how it shakes down. And

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Speaker 14: I think, you know, most reasonable people, although every year

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Speaker 14: we say the same thing, you know, we see a

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Speaker 14: repeat year after year after year. I think it's a

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Speaker 14: good idea. And I remember, you know, Helen Clark, she

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Speaker 14: broke away from the Treaty grounds and took her presence

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Speaker 14: elsewhere on Waitangi Day. And I think, you know, if

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Speaker 14: this sort of behavior continues, then you'll find more politicians

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Speaker 14: following suit. But it was incredible that Shane Jones handed

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Speaker 14: out ten million bucks today to the Waitangi National Trust.

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Speaker 14: Now that's the organization that keeps up the Treaty ground

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Speaker 14: and organizes the Waitangi festivities, so it's a lot of money.

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Speaker 14: And he said that he'll be a a word to

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Speaker 14: his caucus and maybe looking at the decision that he

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Speaker 14: made this morning and announced, maybe overturned. I don't think

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Speaker 14: that's going to happen at all. But never there's it's

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Speaker 14: all Shane sounding off. Obviously had a good night last night.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like he did, ye, Arry, thank you very

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Speaker 2: much for that, Very Soper. That is News Talks Hebb,

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Speaker 2: Senior political Correspondent's it's actually a great day to go

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Speaker 2: Barriers because you've been up there many times. But the

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Speaker 2: day on White Tangy Day proper because all of the

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Speaker 2: huha happens the day before.

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Speaker 7: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: White Day's like a festival up there. It's beautiful.

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Speaker 14: The day itself is great. It's the porphyry for the

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Speaker 14: politicians the day before where everybody vents their spleen. I

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Speaker 14: just think the argument should be better. And turning their

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Speaker 14: backs on David Seymour and trying to out Singer's words

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Speaker 14: and taking the microphone away from him is simply ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Very Soper, you're on News Talks Hebb. It's just gone

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Speaker 2: seven to five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the time questions to the newspeakers, the Mike Hasking.

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Speaker 16: Breakfast the social housing resets on. They're selling the ones

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Speaker 16: worth a lot in rebuilding new ones for less. The

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Speaker 16: Housing Minister Chris Bishop is with us the debt issue

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Speaker 16: they carry. How quickly does that get sorted?

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Speaker 17: The debt will be about one point eight billion dollars

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Speaker 17: lower in three to four years time than it was

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Speaker 17: four past to be, which is good. They will still

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Speaker 17: carry debt, but of course we have to fund all

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Speaker 17: of that debt as tax pay.

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Speaker 18: I mean, KAO should not.

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Speaker 17: Be building massively expensive ornate departments with Juliete balconies and

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Speaker 17: all sorts of baldians.

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Speaker 2: Where were there?

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Speaker 3: Where were the board that you've got rid of?

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Speaker 2: Will they quit?

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Speaker 16: Were they under riding instructions? Or were they incompetent?

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Speaker 17: I mean, all I can say is we changed the board.

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Speaker 17: That was one of the first recommendations for the independent review.

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Speaker 16: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike asking breakfast with

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Speaker 16: the Rain drove the last news talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Just gone four away from five on Newstalk ZB So

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Speaker 2: Kanye West and his girlfriend when they stole the show

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Speaker 2: at the Grammys yesterday, we told you all about that. Well,

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Speaker 2: turns out he's now lost thirty five million dollars in

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Speaker 2: contracts in Japan after the stunt, he was meant to

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Speaker 2: do two shows at the Tokyo Dome in May, but

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Speaker 2: they have decided that they've just canned it. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have thought, honestly, given what is the Grammys and the

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Speaker 2: artists that perform at the Grammys and would put their

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Speaker 2: stuff on MTV and on the internet. The stuff that

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Speaker 2: they wear in their music videos is pretty much naked.

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Speaker 2: So what I mean, what is the big outcry? I

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Speaker 2: honestly cannot understand this. If it was at the White

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Speaker 2: House and she turned up naked, I would understand, But

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Speaker 2: the Grammys come on, everyone's basically tits out there anyway. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: thirty five million dollars is what he's lost from that,

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Speaker 2: and he's tweeted most Googled person on the planet called

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Speaker 2: Earth we own the Grammys. He got what he want,

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Speaker 2: I suppose. Helen Clark and David Seymour after the news, Yes, Sir, I.

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Speaker 3: Dream on it, buddy, Mimmy jam.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture? Brian Bridge on hither Duplicy Ellen Drive

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Speaker 1: with One New Zealand Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 7: That'd be good evening.

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Speaker 2: It is five oh seven. Great to have your company

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Speaker 2: this evening. Things turn pretty heated when politicians turn up

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Speaker 2: at White tang You Today, David Seymour's microphone was taken

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Speaker 2: away halfway through his speech. Protesters turns their back on him.

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Speaker 2: At one point he's with me now minister, hello, hey Royan.

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Speaker 2: So how did today go?

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Speaker 11: It depends how you measure it. I thought some people

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Speaker 11: behaved in ways that really let themselves down and unfortunately

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Speaker 11: gave a bad impression of the Maori world. Others I

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Speaker 11: thought behave very well. I count amongst them short one

657
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Speaker 11: to actually brought the microphone back to me twice. And overall,

658
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Speaker 11: I think what's important to me at least is that

659
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Speaker 11: you know you can take away my microphone, you can

660
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Speaker 11: turn your back, you can do a war dancer in

661
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Speaker 11: my face, or whatever you like. At the end of

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Speaker 11: the day, the one thing I didn't hear was a

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Speaker 11: compelling argument for why our treaty should not be interpreted

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Speaker 11: as an agreement that gives us all equal rights under

665
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Speaker 11: one parliament that is obliged to uphold all of our

666
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Speaker 11: rights equally. And in that sense, it was a failure,

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Speaker 11: but it gives me more encouragement to keep promoting the

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Speaker 11: Treaty principles.

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Speaker 2: Bill Shane Jones seemed to suggest that it would take

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Speaker 2: some money off them because of the way they behaved.

671
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Speaker 2: Is that a bit far?

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Speaker 11: Look, the one thing I will say about that is

673
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 11: that the White Tonguey Trust bought a lot of people

674
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 11: don't realize this, but it's like Cornwall Park and Auckland.

675
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 11: It's not a public thing. It's a privately owned piece

676
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 11: of land. It's a museum. They keep the grounds and grut,

677
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 11: the Treaty House, the Mariah in great condition, and they

678
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 11: make a huge effort to try and make this day work.

679
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 11: It's not them that are ruining it. Ten million dollars

680
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 11: to keep the place up to scratch for the whole country.

681
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 11: I think we should be a bit wary of blaming them,

682
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Speaker 11: the other ones trying to make it better.

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Speaker 2: David seymore, Happy White Dangy.

684
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Speaker 11: Day, Happy White Dangy Day to you two.

685
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Speaker 2: All right, just gone. Nine minutes after five.

686
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Speaker 3: Ray and Bridge.

687
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: Trump says the US will take over Gaza, move Palestinians out,

688
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 2: and develop the land. He spoke after meeting with Benjamin

689
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Speaker 2: Nettin Yahu at the White House a few hours ago.

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Speaker 8: The US will take over the Gaza Strip and we

691
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Speaker 8: will do a job with it too. We'll own it,

692
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 8: get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out, create

693
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Speaker 8: an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs

694
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Speaker 8: and housing for the people of the area.

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Speaker 2: Robert Patman's with me this evening. I tag it Uni

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Speaker 2: international Relations. Robert, good evening, Oh.

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Speaker 19: Good evening.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 2: Are you taking this seriously?

700
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: Well, you have to.

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Speaker 19: Take it seriously in the sense that mister Trump represents

702
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 19: the most powerful office in the world and the most

703
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 19: powerful country, and even by his eye opening stadens, it's

704
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Speaker 19: a very shocking statement, and you know, a clean break

705
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Speaker 19: with previous American policy towards the Middle East region and

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Speaker 19: particularly towards the Israeli Palestinian conflicts since the Oslo Cords

707
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Speaker 19: of the early nineties. So you know, it's difficult at

708
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Speaker 19: the moment to be optimistic about the impact of such

709
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Speaker 19: a statement.

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Speaker 2: He's saying that they because it's about at one point

711
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: eight million Palestinians currently in Gaza, He's saying, or we

712
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 2: could just move them to neighboring countries. But the neighboring

713
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: countries don't.

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Speaker 19: Want them, and then he says, oh, but they will

715
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Speaker 19: after I've spoken to them.

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Speaker 7: But that's not the point.

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Speaker 19: The point is what gives America the authority to forcibly

718
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 19: displace people living in a territory when they've lived there

719
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 19: for some time. And it's an arbitrary act in many respects,

720
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Speaker 19: and it seems to be a further step away from

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Speaker 19: achieving a solution which America and New Zealand both stood for,

722
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Speaker 19: which is a two state solution. So yeah, it's a

723
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Speaker 19: worrying development and it's going to do nothing to ease

724
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Speaker 19: the negotiations the second phase of the a greed cease fire,

725
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Speaker 19: which is just coming up for discussion between Israel and Hamas.

726
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Speaker 19: So it's likely to escalate rather than diminished tension.

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Speaker 2: Well I wonder, yeah, because that second phase that you're

728
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: talking about, and you've got Israel saying we're not going

729
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Speaker 2: to agree to the second phase unless the leaders of

730
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Speaker 2: Hamas agree to leave Gaza. They're not going to do that,

731
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Speaker 2: are they. So we're basically going back to war.

732
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Speaker 19: No, I mean, they're not going to do that. And

733
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Speaker 19: mister Nietna, who please notice what is missing from mister Netna,

734
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Speaker 19: whose narrative and that is any desire to address the

735
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Speaker 19: issue of the Palestinian desire for self determination for twenty

736
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Speaker 19: five years, Mister Ntner, who has adopted a position which

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Speaker 19: is directly odds with the position of his major backer,

738
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Speaker 19: the United States, which does one of two states solutions.

739
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Speaker 19: Mister Niesi, who you know, following that horrendous Hamis terrorist attack,

740
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Speaker 19: has never identified what he sees as the end goal

741
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Speaker 19: of the air and ground offensive that's occurred during the

742
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Speaker 19: last fifteen months. So you know that issue is at

743
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Speaker 19: the root of the problem. And it doesn't seem like

744
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 19: mister Trump is actually applying too much thinking about how

745
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Speaker 19: can tensions in the region be resolved as opposed to

746
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Speaker 19: be transplanting them elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: Patman, thank you very much for your time. I take

748
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Speaker 2: Auniversity International Relations twelve minutes after five, changing gears completely.

749
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Speaker 2: So a story caught my eye today out of Dunedin.

750
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Speaker 2: They reckon it costs forty cents to flush. Every time

751
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 2: you flush a public toilet in Dunedin, it will cost

752
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: you forty cents. How do they know that, Well, they've

753
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: done the numbers in this article, so they've got the cleaners,

754
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: and they've added up the cost. You've got eighty toilets,

755
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Speaker 2: you've got five hundred cleans per week, the cost is

756
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Speaker 2: eleven dollars fifty per clean and you've got an annual

757
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: budget for their public toilets in Dnedin of one point

758
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Speaker 2: one million dollars. Stay with me, it's not just about Dunedin.

759
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: Then they get to Hamilton, similar number of lows there.

760
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Speaker 2: What's the budget one million dollars. Then they get to

761
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Speaker 2: christ Church. Now they've got a lot more loose because

762
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Speaker 2: they've got a lot more people, one hundred and ninety

763
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Speaker 2: four lows. What does that cost? One point four million dollars?

764
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Speaker 2: And then they get to Wellington and mark my words,

765
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Speaker 2: seventy nine lows. So the same number of lows as

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Speaker 2: the same number of lows and poohs as Dunedin and Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: What is the cost five point six million dollars. Now

768
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Speaker 2: I am open to Wellington City Council coming on tonight

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Speaker 2: and saying no, that includes the cost of I don't

770
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Speaker 2: even know what could that possibly include the cost of?

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Speaker 2: You know, are there diamonds coming out of the toilet?

772
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Speaker 2: Are they golden crusted? Tell me Wellington, because at five

773
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Speaker 2: point six million dollars for seventy nine toilets that I

774
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Speaker 2: don't even know what the flush rate the flush conversion

775
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Speaker 2: would be on that, but that doesn't sound great fortune.

776
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Speaker 2: Fourteen after and most of it doesn't go into pipes anyway,

777
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Speaker 2: because you don't even have them. Fourteen after five news talks,

778
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Speaker 2: there'd be inflation. With Jerry Kunicks five seventeen news talks,

779
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Speaker 2: there'd be Helen Clark won't be with us. That's why

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Speaker 2: we spoke to Robert Patman on Gaza. We were unable

781
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Speaker 2: to contact her, Unfortunately, unable to get hold of her

782
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Speaker 2: at that time. I just thought I'd let you know

783
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Speaker 2: because lots of you are texting in. Another says on

784
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Speaker 2: the toilet's Ryan all the byes. I won't repeat the

785
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: word you wrote. All the bs coming out of Wellington.

786
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: Of course, it'll be more expensive to use their toilets

787
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: there right. The unemployment rate's gone up five point one

788
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Speaker 2: percent in the final quarter of twenty twenty four, up

789
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Speaker 2: from four point eight percent in the September quarter. Unemployment

790
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Speaker 2: now the highest it's been since September twenty twenty, that's

791
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Speaker 2: when it was five point two percent. Keep we Bank

792
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Speaker 2: Chief economist Jared Curves with me, Jared, good evening, Good evening.

793
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Speaker 2: So this is what everyone was expecting. Does that mean

794
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Speaker 2: we can continue expecting that the interest rates will come

795
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Speaker 2: down in two weeks?

796
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Speaker 20: Yeah, exactly. It came in line with expectations, but to

797
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 20: be fair, expectations are pretty miserable and it was an

798
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Speaker 20: ugly report, and it does suggest the Reserve Band needs

799
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Speaker 20: to do more to put this economy into recovery mode.

800
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Speaker 2: More than what they told us they'd do, in other words,

801
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Speaker 2: more than half a percent.

802
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 20: Absolutely. I think they'll deliver fifty in February, but we're

803
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Speaker 20: thinking about where they end this year. They're telling us

804
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 20: they'll cut to three and half percent. We're telling them

805
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 20: that we think they need to cut to three percent.

806
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: By when the end of the year.

807
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Speaker 20: Yeah, by the middle of this year, end of this year.

808
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Speaker 20: The main point is that interest rates are still restrictive.

809
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 20: The restraining households, they're restraining businesses. We've seen it in

810
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Speaker 20: the labor market. It's time, it's time to take some

811
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Speaker 20: of that pressure off.

812
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: Is there a point where you get so far in

813
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 2: a rut you can't even begin to see your way out,

814
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: And is that where we are now in terms of

815
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: consumer confidence in spending.

816
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Speaker 20: We were definitely in quite a rut last year. We

817
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Speaker 20: are somewhat optimistic that things turn around this year. I

818
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Speaker 20: think there's always a way to sort of dig your

819
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 20: way out of problems, and we certainly will do that.

820
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Speaker 20: It just takes more action from our policy makers growth.

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Speaker 2: I've been looking at the numbers from the Reserve Bank

822
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Speaker 2: and from Treasury. They reckon, we're going to go. This

823
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: is Treasury from half a percent growth through till June,

824
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: so barely registering to three point three percent by June

825
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. Does that sound highly optimistic to you.

826
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Speaker 20: That's kind of in line with what we're expecting. You know,

827
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Speaker 20: these rate cuts come through, they'll feed through over the

828
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Speaker 20: next six months. You're working off a very low base,

829
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 20: so very low levels, and you start seeing a recovery

830
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Speaker 20: into twenty and twenty six. And yeah, we're sort of

831
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 20: pitching the idea that we'll see two to three percent

832
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Speaker 20: growth rates into twenty and twenty six. It's definitely possible,

833
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Speaker 20: and you know, something we hope that we will see.

834
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Speaker 2: I certainly hope we do.

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Speaker 7: Two.

836
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time, Jared, Jared kirk Kievybank

837
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Speaker 2: chief Economists with US on news Talks there b time

838
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Speaker 2: is twenty after five. I'll tell you what I think

839
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: about White TANGI next plus Ol Salvador. So this is

840
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: the country that's got a mega prison, forty thousand prisoners

841
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: all in one place. No windows in the cells, by

842
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 2: the way, So thank you lucky. If you're at Port

843
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 2: m or m or right now or out at Witty,

844
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: no windows in the cells, and they are offering to

845
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: take some US citizens, albeit convicted criminals. I'll give you

846
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Speaker 2: the deats on that.

847
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Speaker 1: Shortly informed inside into today's issues. It's Ryan Bridge on

848
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Speaker 1: hither dupericy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

849
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Speaker 2: News talk said be five twenty three. Anyone who may

850
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 2: have had reservations about lux and ditching Whiteangy this year

851
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: can put them to bed safely. David Seymour had his

852
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: mic taken away from him while he was speaking this afternoon,

853
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: which is odd because he was invited to speak as

854
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Speaker 2: a representative of the government there today. To be fair,

855
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: a senior Cormartur gave his mic back a short time later.

856
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 2: It was more of a lone wolf thing. It looked

857
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: like that to me anyway, But Seymour was booed and

858
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: people swore at him as he left. Apparently all of

859
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 2: this is to say, you can see why Luxon didn't

860
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: want a bar of it. But at the same time

861
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: it's all a little bit silly. I know there's strong

862
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 2: on both sides of the Principal's bill, but this all

863
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: looked a little bit childish earlier in the day, and

864
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: yesterday there were some brilliant and impassioned speeches from the

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Speaker 2: pipe Eye, so it shouldn't be discounted completely just because

866
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Speaker 2: of one guy. And one day. Seymour's a big boy.

867
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Speaker 2: He won't care too much about this stuff. And looking

868
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: at it from afar, you can't help it feel like

869
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: you didn't miss much being there today, did you. Now.

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Speaker 2: I've been north many times to report on Wyetangy, and

871
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Speaker 2: it is always the day before where things kick off.

872
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: I am heading north tomorrow once things have settled down,

873
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: to soak in the warm Northland sun and the warm

874
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 2: Northland hospitality, and I encourage anyone who hasn't been up there,

875
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: not the day before, when the politicians are there and

876
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: the screaming and the shouting and the drama and the

877
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: cameras go on white Tangy Day proper. It's like a festival.

878
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: It's great fun, and I encourage you all to do

879
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: it twenty five after five am.

880
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: The bridge.

881
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: Now our salvage or the place you don't want to

882
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: be x. We had the opportunity to go to Ol

883
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: Salvador once and I said no because it's very dangerous.

884
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: Went around, you know, went to Guatemala and Hondura, which

885
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: is still quite dangerous. But our Salvador is like the

886
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: apex of danger. It's the hot spot. So they have

887
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: a mega prison there with forty thousand prisoners, right. And

888
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: the president is much loved by his people because he's

889
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: rounded up all the gang members and he's put them

890
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: in this one prison. And he's come up with a

891
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: smart idea, he has said to Trump, because old Marco

892
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 2: Rubio has been visiting on his wee Latin American tour.

893
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 2: He's come up with an idea. We will take your

894
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 2: prisoners from the States, even if they're US citizens, your criminals,

895
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: if they are convicted, we will take them here. But

896
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 2: we'll just charge you a fee. And what they reckon

897
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: they can do doesn't say exactly what the fee is.

898
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,479
Speaker 2: And that you can imagine what the human rights groups

899
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: are saying. They're all up in arms, but he's rounded

900
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 2: all these gangsters up, put them in prison. Seems to

901
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: be working under emergency powers. Don't know what the fee is,

902
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 2: but he reckons that even with just a few American

903
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: visiting prisoners, they can pay for the whole system. That's

904
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: how cheap it is to run. No windows of course

905
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: in those jails, and I don't imagine there's much in

906
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: the way of food. But streets are safe. The president

907
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: who did this most recent election, eighty five percent of

908
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: people voted for him because for the first time in years,

909
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: they are walking around the streets without gang violence. I mean,

910
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: obviously there's going to be issues with who's he rounded up,

911
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: you know, and were they all guilty of what he

912
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: said that they are? But there you go, there's a

913
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: way to make some money out of the Yanks. Twenty

914
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: six After five News Talks, z'b will talk TJ. Pettinada

915
00:47:43,320 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: after newsuis.

916
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

917
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: drive home, it's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duplessy allan drive

918
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand Let's get connected.

919
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 3: News Talks a'd be.

920
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: If you're feeling down, I follow make you happy.

921
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 3: A bee.

922
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: Good evening. Twenty five minutes away from the Sex year

923
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Speaker 2: Old News talks abs with cruise into White Tangy Day tomorrow.

924
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 2: Lots of text on Our Salvador, Ryan, you're a woos.

925
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: We went to our Salvador fifteen years ago, against all

926
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Speaker 2: the advice, had a day there and thoroughly enjoyed it.

927
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Speaker 2: We did see a youp with a machine mounted on

928
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Speaker 2: the machine gun mounted on the back, arm police everywhere

929
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Speaker 2: with semi automatic shotguns. Quite an experience, but glad we

930
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: did it, Ryan, I just went to our Salvador, says

931
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: this Texter, and it is super safe now that all

932
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 2: the gang members have been locked up. The people loved

933
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: the new president. Far safer than all the surrounding countries. Now, apparently,

934
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Speaker 2: don't bag Ol Salvador. I wasn't bagging Ol Salvador. I

935
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: was just saying there's a mega prison there in which

936
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Speaker 2: they house forty thousand people with no windows. I mean,

937
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: that's and what do I care? Twenty four to Sex

938
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Speaker 2: News Talks.

939
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 3: That Beig cryan Bridge.

940
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Speaker 2: Right, We're going to talk about TJ. Paranara Senior. All

941
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: Blacks coaches and NDED rugby staff have all said they

942
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: felt blindsided by his protest before his final hucker last November.

943
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 2: You remember that he ignited controversy making a statement right

944
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: before the Hacker that most of us have interpreted as

945
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: a criticism of the act Party's treaty Principal's Bill. Members

946
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: of the management and playing group have told The Heralds

947
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Speaker 2: Gregor Paul that they didn't give TJ permission to politicize,

948
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Speaker 2: as the hacker in Gregapool is with me this evening.

949
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Speaker 9: Good, good evening.

950
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: So did anyone know exactly what he was going to do?

951
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 21: I don't think it's strictly clear that there was an

952
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 21: exact or specific mention of you know, here's exactly what

953
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Speaker 21: I will see when I lead the hacker. My understanding

954
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 21: is that TJ was fairly consistent with a broadbrush view

955
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Speaker 21: that he wanted to provide what he called a message

956
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 21: of unity, and no one really inquired overly as to

957
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 21: you know, what specifically that would entail.

958
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: Do you think they should have?

959
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 17: Oh?

960
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 21: I think there's yes, that there's clearly you know, procedural

961
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 21: or protocol faults internally within the All Blacks.

962
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, if you go through what happened piece by piece.

963
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 21: I mean that it should have been brought up earlier

964
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Speaker 21: in the week at a leaders meeting, you know, it

965
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 21: should have been put in front of the whole team

966
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 21: to form a view upon. And again, even even when

967
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 21: management became a way late in the piece just before

968
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Speaker 21: kickoff that TJ was adamant he wanted to say something.

969
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 21: Even then, there were options available to management to either

970
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 21: remove him as the hacker leader if they were uncomfortable,

971
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Speaker 21: or you know, or remove him entirely from the match

972
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Speaker 21: day twenty three if that's what they felt the risk

973
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Speaker 21: of the scenario of him saying something I'm sanctioned was

974
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Speaker 21: going to be.

975
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: So here's the problem I've got. So you've got this

976
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: story that's come out, so finally we're getting the kind

977
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: of the insight on what really went down. But at

978
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 2: the time afterwards, there was a big show of unity

979
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: from the playing and the coaching group. You know, everyone

980
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 2: was honky dory after it happened. So why the show

981
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: of unity afterwards?

982
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 21: Yeah, good question. I'm not sure they were hunky dorry.

983
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 21: I think they made a decision between certainly the captain

984
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 21: Scott Barrett and the coach Scott Robertson took a view that, look, TJ.

985
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 21: Perrinara has been a wonderful servant of rugby, that he's

986
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 21: a highly respected figure. He's been a warrior, you know,

987
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 21: he's deeply admired and respected in the team and in

988
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 21: the international rugby game.

989
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 9: And he was making his last appearance.

990
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 21: So they took a view that they didn't feel that

991
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 21: they wanted to sully his reputation despite the fact they

992
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 21: were disappointed at the way things had gone that night,

993
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 21: that they could do their level base to support him

994
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 21: or to not give away that you know, warhead really happened.

995
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 9: He was moving off into Japan.

996
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 21: They could deal with this internally, you know, over over

997
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 21: the summer, they could work out what went wrong, how

998
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 21: they can improve that. You know, systems will need to

999
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 21: put in place to make sure it doesn't happen again.

1000
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 9: And they didn't need to tarnish TJ. Paranaur's reputation.

1001
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 21: But you know, in the end, well that might be

1002
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 21: a kind of noble and admirable thing that they wanted

1003
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 21: to do that that does need to be, you know,

1004
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 21: a public address of the issue, because it clearly it

1005
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 21: doesn't matter what your politics are clearly it was divisive.

1006
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 21: Clearly it disunited people and the All Blacks are all

1007
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 21: about unity themselves internally, but they're a team that feels

1008
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 21: that they're there to unite the country as well, that

1009
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 21: the people's team, So that kind of thing can't continue

1010
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 21: for them.

1011
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 9: They can't divide people.

1012
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: Gregor, thanks for that really interesting report. Gregor Paul and

1013
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: zed Herald Rugby writer. It has just gone twenty one

1014
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Speaker 2: away from Sex.

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1016
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Speaker 1: global exposure like no other.

1017
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Speaker 2: Joining us tonight fellow Riley Iron Duke, Partner's former boss

1018
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: of business in zed Hi Phil.

1019
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 7: In the Capitol.

1020
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: Great to have you joining us from the Capitol. And

1021
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: Jack Tamer is here, host of Q and A and

1022
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: Saturday Morning. Hey Jack, welcome back. Hey right, good to

1023
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: have you. Let's start with TJ. Phil. What is this

1024
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 2: was a really interesting story from Gregor Paul and the Hill.

1025
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 2: We've just spoken to him. What did you make of it?

1026
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 7: Yeah? I think that's correct. A break from Gregor?

1027
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 9: Is it?

1028
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 7: Well done for him? I just thought, you know, it's

1029
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 7: the old story that sportsman, no matter how famous, there

1030
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 7: and he's a Wellington icon, TJ Pire and Arioso. I've

1031
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 7: clapped and supported him for many, many years and I

1032
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 7: still do. But it just goes to the point that sportsman,

1033
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 7: sportsmen and women need to understand they're not actually cultural icons,

1034
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 7: they're not actually politicians. They're there to entertain the public

1035
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 7: and play sport. And if he wants to say something

1036
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 7: into a microphone, that's fine, I'll take that on the

1037
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 7: on the basis that it's given. But to take what

1038
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 7: should be the most unifying thing for all New Zealand,

1039
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 7: it's the all Blacks Hakker and the words said before

1040
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 7: that is making a political statement that he and he

1041
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 7: alone seemed to want to make. I just don't think

1042
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 7: that that's right. And I think Greg's right to break

1043
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 7: the story and for people to actually criticize the team

1044
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 7: a bit for not doing not doing all their best

1045
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 7: to make sure that didn't happen. So, you know, it's

1046
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 7: a sad end to what was a great career because.

1047
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: Jack, the thing is with the Haker, it's you perform

1048
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: it together. You've kind of got no choice in the matter, right,

1049
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: And for him to say something that had so much

1050
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 2: meaning without telling his teammates, I think that's a little uncol.

1051
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 22: Well, it sounds like he did raise it with his teammates.

1052
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 22: The extent to which he raised it and actually articulated

1053
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 22: the message he was going to be sharing is probably

1054
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 22: up to debate. So I suppose if you look at

1055
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 22: it from the other side, all Blacks management, the team

1056
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 22: senior management, did know before they walked out on the field.

1057
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 22: At least some of them knew that TJ was going

1058
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Speaker 22: to be going off script compared to most of his

1059
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 22: other performances leading the Harker.

1060
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Speaker 9: They did have an.

1061
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 22: Opportunity if they were really profoundly concerned about the message

1062
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 22: he was going to be sharing, to pull him either

1063
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 22: from that role or from the matchday squad. It would

1064
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 22: have been an extreme call, but if they really felt

1065
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 22: that strongly, I suppose that was available to them. And

1066
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Speaker 22: you know, I pushed back a little bit on the

1067
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 22: pedestal thing and sport people in politics. I know that

1068
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 22: not everyone likes it when sports people speak up, but

1069
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Speaker 22: we as a society are the ones who give them

1070
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Speaker 22: these incredible, big platforms. And when you give someone a platform,

1071
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 22: in my view, you can't really pick and choose what

1072
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Speaker 22: they decided.

1073
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Speaker 9: To do with it.

1074
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Speaker 22: And you know, if TJ would expect to have an

1075
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Speaker 22: All Blacks we Are after this, if he was expecting

1076
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 22: to be in leadership positions in New Zealand Rugby after this,

1077
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 22: well then he might duly expect some consequences from that decision.

1078
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 22: But ultimately, we as a society decide to put these

1079
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 22: people on pedestals, and I think it's on us when

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00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 22: they decided to use that attention.

1081
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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Jack, except for it was on

1082
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: work time, you know, like when you're when you're doing

1083
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: the If he was tweeting up a storm in the weekend,

1084
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 2: well I don't really care. But Phil, I you know,

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Speaker 2: for me, that's where it sort of crosses into work territory.

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Speaker 7: That's exactly right. I agree with Jack. If he wants

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Speaker 7: to say something about whatever he wants to say, he

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Speaker 7: wants to be you as to say, the Earth flat, Well,

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Speaker 7: that's fine, I'll take it on I'll take it on

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Speaker 7: advice because I know he's not an expert on estrophysics,

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Speaker 7: you know. But but when he does it in the

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Speaker 7: middle of what should be the most unifying act by

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Speaker 7: anybody in New Zealand, the or Black Zacker, I can't

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Speaker 7: think of many more unifying acts than that, then then

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Speaker 7: I do think it's wrong and he should have actually

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Speaker 7: been more respectful of the traditions of the Hacker, of

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Speaker 7: the fact that the All Blacks are a big unifier

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Speaker 7: and if you wanted to start after the game, it's fine.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he's jack right about that. If he's a celebrity,

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Speaker 7: he's well known, he's got a platform, he can say

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Speaker 7: what he likes. But I think during the.

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Speaker 2: Hacker Fellow Riley and Jack tam on the huddle this evening,

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Speaker 2: I both of them, I'm sure go to the Cory Lounge.

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Speaker 2: So we'll talk about that and we'll talk about Trump

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Speaker 2: and Gaze.

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Speaker 1: It's all ahead the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International

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Speaker 1: Realty elevate the marketing of your home.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen away from six Fellow'riiley and Jack Tame on the huddle.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, guys. So Jack, I'll start with you because

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Speaker 2: obviously you were US correspondent. You were there for a

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Speaker 2: portion of when Trump was in first time round, and

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Speaker 2: he's come out today and said he's going to take

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Speaker 2: whatever this means, take over Gaza and build. What did

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Speaker 2: you read? What are you thinking when you're listening to that.

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Speaker 22: Ah, I mean I actually just try and temper my

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00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 22: shock and outrage a surprise with Donald trump announcements, because

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Speaker 22: he does have a habit of going zero to one

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Speaker 22: hundred and then pulling back a fee bit. That the

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Speaker 22: tariff stuff this week is quite a good example. A

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Speaker 22: righty comes out and says I'm going to put in

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Speaker 22: these massive tariffs, and everyone goes, oh my god, the

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Speaker 22: stock market's freak out, and then two days later he

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Speaker 22: actually pears it all back. I'm not saying who does

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Speaker 22: that all the time, but you know, I think it's

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Speaker 22: a pretty extreme suggestion for Gaza, and it's unlikely to

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Speaker 22: go anywhere for several main reasons. Number one, I can't

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Speaker 22: see Jordan in Egypt very happily taking all of the

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Speaker 22: Palestinians have sadly been stuck in Gaza for this time.

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Speaker 22: And number two, I think looking at the likes of

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Speaker 22: some of the other Golf states for their reaction, it

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Speaker 22: gives you a good steer as to where the Americans

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Speaker 22: are likely to go. So keep in mind that the

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Speaker 22: Americans prioritize their relationship with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia before

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Speaker 22: the October ninth, Attacks had been looking at normalizing its

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Speaker 22: relationship with Israel. They now say they won't be normalizing

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Speaker 22: relationships with Israel until Palestine has its own states. So

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Speaker 22: I can only imagine that if Trump were to push

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Speaker 22: ahead seriously, whether like this and Gaza and get Israeli support,

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Speaker 22: someone like the Saudi's would come in and ex it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's Sadi has already come out and

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00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 2: said they don't like, they don't like the idea. Phil

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Speaker 2: It sounded to me like almost like it was more

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Speaker 2: of less of a of a geopolitical land grab and

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Speaker 2: more of a development opportunity.

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Speaker 7: Well exactly, I mean there's a we just need to

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00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 7: I think he spoke clumsily, and I looked at it.

1147
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 7: I thought I could seal the reaction from it. But

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00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 7: there's actually a precedent for all this, and after the

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00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 7: second one, what's called the Marshall Plan, when the United

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Speaker 7: States invested heavily in the redevelopment and and and the

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Speaker 7: rebuilding of Europe. And that that worked out, Okay, didn't it?

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean? And I think there's a

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00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 7: peace pre He says, you know, well, we'll clear it out,

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Speaker 7: We'll sort of it, and I think that's the property

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Speaker 7: developer speaking. Actually. I think he's saying, we can actually

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Speaker 7: rebuild this, And I take that level in many ways

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00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 7: that you're not trying to defend it, because I don't

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Speaker 7: think it'll happened even then. But let's be clear. I mean,

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Speaker 7: there are there that's rebuilding the Gaza strip and creating

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Speaker 7: new businesses, new employment opportunities, even if some of them

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Speaker 7: are on tourism, might actually be a good idea, and

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Speaker 7: maybe we should think about that rather than simply returning

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Speaker 7: to some sort of warlike state. So I take him

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Speaker 7: at that level, but I don't take him much. I

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01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 7: don't take him very seriously at that level, because even

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Speaker 7: that is, to Jack's point, is simply not going to occur.

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Speaker 7: There's so much interest in the rest of the Gaza story,

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Speaker 7: and economic development is not even close to being a

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Speaker 7: part of that story. He also said, remember when he

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Speaker 7: was visiting Kim John Wan, I think in North Korea.

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Speaker 7: He said of some of the shorefront he was landing

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Speaker 7: in the plane and he said, that'll make for some

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Speaker 7: great condos. You know, you can take the property developer

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Speaker 7: out in New York, New York, He's always going to

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Speaker 7: be a property developer. So I think that's that's what

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Speaker 7: he's really talking about. I think, and I don't think

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Speaker 7: it'll be taken seriously. But I don't think he's talking

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Speaker 7: about occupying Palestine with US soldiers and kicking Palestinian people out.

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Speaker 7: I don't think that's actually what he's meaning.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so either.

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Speaker 7: Jack.

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Speaker 2: Are you a Cory Lounge user?

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01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 23: I am a coach go lands use it, and I'm

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01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 23: one of these people who like I'll own it. I

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01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 23: just kind of resort to a childlike state, you know,

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01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 23: like a child at a birthday party.

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Speaker 22: It's this kind of pathetic thing. We go in there,

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Speaker 22: and I think, for goodness sake, I go down to

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01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 22: countdown and buy a wedge of cheap breath for four dollars,

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Speaker 22: And yet here I am having my seventh serve.

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Speaker 9: What have I become?

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Speaker 22: And yes, I take solace from the fact that when

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Speaker 22: it comes to unutifying behavior, I'm still probably in the

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Speaker 22: upper quartile of well behaved people in the Kodu club.

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Speaker 22: I cannot believe the speed with which otherwise successful and

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Speaker 22: dignified people seem to throw any shred of dignity away

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Speaker 22: in that room.

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Speaker 2: Tell me, well, pray, tell what's it like in there, Philip,

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Speaker 2: because I think here's the thing. I'm too cheap. Like

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Speaker 2: I don't know whether you get it as part of

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01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 2: your work package, Jack, but I'll be talking to your

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01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: offline after this about it. I don't. But what does

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01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 2: it cost? It's like, what is it eight hundred dollars

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01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 2: these days or seven hundred dollars or something. I'm too

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01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 2: cheap to fork out for that, phil I'd rather be

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01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: outside getting macas or something.

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Speaker 7: Personally, I was, I was just I was just reflecting

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Speaker 7: on the people, the lack of dignity, and occasionally when

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01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 7: I need a glass of whye, I lacked the dignity

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01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 7: jilms that are pushing through, waving through the crowds and

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01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 7: backpack and saying let me let me at the rose.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, but actually, well I haven't paid for it

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Speaker 7: for a long time. The reason is I fly stay frequently.

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Speaker 7: I'll be flying. It's a very very frequent fly of

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Speaker 7: nuw Geral for thirty on years now. So they give

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Speaker 7: it to me for free and then itself and I fly.

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Speaker 7: But I can assure your listeners that it's it's a

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Speaker 7: pretty grim place, particularly Friday afternoon, the domestic lounge place

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01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 7: on their suits and so on.

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Speaker 22: When you've when you've been a member of the of

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Speaker 22: the Delta Club, I can assure you it's a whole

1222
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 22: lot better than three of the international functions.

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Speaker 7: No, that's true, but I think But my point, Ryan

1224
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Speaker 7: is that if any zyal On thinks they're going to

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Speaker 7: make things better by coming up with a bigger, better,

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Speaker 7: brader lounge, I think they've got a bit more work

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Speaker 7: to do, certainly for customers like me where Frankly, I've

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Speaker 7: been flying the regularly for studies, and every time I

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Speaker 7: get on the plane, every time I walk into one

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01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 7: of those lounges, they treat me astleff on my first

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Speaker 7: time fly. They don't know who I am, They've got

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Speaker 7: no idea. So they've really got to work if they

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Speaker 7: want to actually get customer loyalty. They certainly don't even

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01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 7: need from me if they want to get customer and

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Speaker 7: they're going to have to treat people better as regular

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01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 7: flyers and new lounges and flash new stuff like that's

1237
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 7: not going to cut it.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what? You need a T shirt that

1239
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 2: says don't you know who I am they solve the problem.

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01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: You know, one day.

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01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 7: A petrol stations away might spend a bit of time

1242
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Speaker 7: there too.

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Speaker 2: One day it'll all be ai, there'll be no people

1244
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,479
Speaker 2: there and they will know who you are.

1245
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 7: Right, that'll be a that'll be worriesome.

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Speaker 2: Oh goodness me all right, Hey, thank you guys, very much,

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01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 2: lovely to have you on. Just before White Tangy fellow,

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01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 2: rileygh Iron juke partner's former boss of Business n Z

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01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 2: and Jack Tame Proud Cardo, member host of Q and

1250
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Speaker 2: A and Saturday Morning. I should really just stop being

1251
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: a tight up and get myself a membership, shouldn't I?

1252
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 2: But then the thing is you have to then also

1253
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 2: get the Air New Zealand flight, so there's no point

1254
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: in having caught it if you're going to sometimes get

1255
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 2: a jet Star flight, which I sometimes do because the

1256
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 2: price differential was so mad that I would go pay

1257
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 2: for the thirty nine dollars Jet Star flight rather than

1258
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 2: the two hundred and twenty dollars in New Zealand. One

1259
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Speaker 2: is that just me? I think that's a practical reasonable approach.

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Speaker 2: Seven minutes away from seven News Talks EB.

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by News Talks EBB.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to just gone four minutes away from six.

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Speaker 2: Sorry about that, didn't realize we were back. Lots and

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01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 2: lots of texts coming in on TJ, Peter Andara. A

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Speaker 2: lot of people disagreeing with Jack, who was on the

1267
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Speaker 2: panel earlier on the Huddle talking about you know the

1268
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 2: fact that he could if you're a celebrity, you should

1269
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: be able to do and say whatever you like was

1270
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Speaker 2: the gist of his point. Someone says, cripes, can you

1271
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Speaker 2: imagine Sam Caine busting out a monologue on opposing a

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Speaker 2: capital gains tax before the hacker or at a press

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Speaker 2: conference postgame. Seriously, there is a time and a place,

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Speaker 2: says this texter. Lots of text as well. On the

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Speaker 2: Cory Club, people think that I should Why aren't I

1276
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 2: member of the Curry Club? Am I not earning enough money?

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01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 2: It's a choice, isn't it? I mean it's what is it?

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred dollars something like that for a year. The

1279
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Speaker 2: question is do you travel enough on air New Zealand

1280
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Speaker 2: to justify using it? And my answer to that question

1281
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Speaker 2: is no. Unfortunately, coming up to six o'clock here on

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Speaker 2: News Talks event.

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Speaker 2: Good evening seven after six. Great to have your company

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Speaker 2: a Google. They are under investigation by China. Why we'll

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Speaker 2: tell you with Milford Asset Management. That's coming up inside

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Speaker 2: the next half an hour. Also, we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about what we revealed on Monday. The government's looking at

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Speaker 2: a corporate tax cut for potentially for multinationals coming to

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. Our Geneti training from The Herald's got more

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Speaker 2: on that inside the next half hour as well. Right now, though,

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Speaker 2: federal government devices, and there are security concerns over China's

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Speaker 2: foray into the AI market, so the Aussie government's done it.

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Speaker 2: Taiwan has banned the software as well. We haven't yet.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three we banned TikTok, which is China's owned.

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Speaker 2: So will we follow suit here? Should we follow suit here? Well,

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Speaker 2: let's go to strategy psychologist and AI commentator Paul Diagnan,

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Speaker 2: who's with me. Good evening and great to have you

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Speaker 2: on the show. Do you think what Australia has done

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Speaker 2: is the right move?

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Speaker 18: Yes, very definitely, But you need to distinguish between There's

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Speaker 18: two things happening here, slowly complicated. There's the basically the

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Speaker 18: deep Seek software itself, and that can be run on

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Speaker 18: Chinese service or it can be run on other servers.

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Speaker 18: So the thing to ban at the moment is it

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Speaker 18: running on Chinese service. So if you just download the

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Speaker 18: app on your phone and start using it, all that

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Speaker 18: information goes to China and they're actually the privacy policy

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Speaker 18: says that if the government asks them, they'll they'll give

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Speaker 18: them information. So you certainly wouldn't want public servants using

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Speaker 18: that and feeding any kind of sensitive information through to China,

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Speaker 18: so that there's that issu. A bit separate issue is

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Speaker 18: if you run it, if we run it, for instance,

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Speaker 18: in New Zealand, and that's an issue of whether the

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Speaker 18: actual software itself is safe. And already Microsoft is actually

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Speaker 18: running deep Sea on its servers. Because it's open source software,

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Speaker 18: anyone can do it, so that points to the fact

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Speaker 18: that probably when it's run on your own service in

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Speaker 18: New zemn for instance, then it would be safe. So

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Speaker 18: you want to make that distinction.

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Speaker 2: How do you know the difference?

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Speaker 18: Well, well, first of all, you would know you would

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Speaker 18: if you well, you'd have to be assured that it

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Speaker 18: was running on local service. So if the Microsoft one,

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Speaker 18: for instance, in fact, actually the Microsoft ones aren't necessarily

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Speaker 18: based in New Zone, but if you went through the

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Speaker 18: Microsoft and they used deep Sea via the Microsoft interface,

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Speaker 18: and then you would know that it wasn't hosted in

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Speaker 18: China because they would tell you that, if you know

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Speaker 18: what I mean. So, yes, you fear enough that from

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Speaker 18: the user's point of view may not know. But at

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Speaker 18: the moment, if the user just downloads onto your phone

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Speaker 18: deep Seak and starts using it, it is actually hosted

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Speaker 18: in China. So that version of it, so a special

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Speaker 18: version of a sort of KEP secured and looked after,

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Speaker 18: you'd know that you'd be using it, because you'd have

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Speaker 18: to go to some effort to get into the special version.

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Speaker 2: Paul, have you downloaded it?

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Speaker 18: Look? I downloaded it and then I didn't sign on

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Speaker 18: because I know, no, this is madness. So I've got it.

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Speaker 18: I actually put it on my phone just I thought, oh.

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Speaker 19: This is cool.

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Speaker 18: I'm going to use that, and then I thought no

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Speaker 18: about to register my name, I thought, I really don't

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Speaker 18: want to tell because the thing is, I'm a psychologists, right,

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Speaker 18: So there's sort of different types of information. And the

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Speaker 18: fascinating thing about a chat bot is you start talking

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Speaker 18: to it almost like as a person, and in a sense,

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Speaker 18: it can kind of profile. You know, the Chinese had

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Speaker 18: no interest in profiling me, but it does. You know,

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Speaker 18: it's really one. As soon as you know all the

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Speaker 18: different things that someone may ask a chat blot it

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Speaker 18: starts to it can if someone wanted to get quite

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Speaker 18: a sort of a personality psychological profile of you. So

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Speaker 18: I think you need to be very careful about the

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Speaker 18: ones that you use and they don't use. As for

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Speaker 18: the average punter, if they want to download it and

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Speaker 18: they don't care, you know, they don't think it's on

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Speaker 18: is looking very closely at them, they may decide to

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Speaker 18: do that, but I'd be careful about what you say

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Speaker 18: to it in terms.

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Speaker 2: Of what can they look at. I mean, what you've

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Speaker 2: just said is actually quite interesting you. Some people might

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Speaker 2: start talking to it like they would a friend or

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Speaker 2: a partner and tell them maybe some intimate things about themselves,

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Speaker 2: things that could be used potentially by a Chinese government,

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Speaker 2: and if you're a federal employee then perhaps that's not

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Speaker 2: such a great thing.

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Speaker 18: Well, absolutely be a disaster of anyone who's foolish enough

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Speaker 18: to do that. But even at a more subtle level,

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Speaker 18: it kind of gets you know, like at the moment

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Speaker 18: that companies track what we do, what advertisements we look at,

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Speaker 18: and what sites we go to, all that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 18: but really the interaction of a chatbot is sort of

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Speaker 18: another layer of where if someone sought to, they could

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Speaker 18: really quite you know, kind of profile you at a deep,

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Speaker 18: almost psychological level, because they would know everything that you're

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Speaker 18: interested in and they would know you almost your interaction styles,

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Speaker 18: so they could even so obviously the Chinese government's not

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Speaker 18: going to be doing that with the average person in

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Speaker 18: New Zealand. And this is a concern for any any

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Speaker 18: software service that's based overseas, any AI system based overseas.

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Speaker 18: And what this raises us as question what's called data sovereignty,

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Speaker 18: which is really important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just before we go, I wanted to just ask

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Speaker 2: how you got into this because you're a psychologist, but

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Speaker 2: then you're AI, you've got an interest in AI. How

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Speaker 2: did you get the two become one.

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Speaker 18: Well, most up until now, I've had quite an interest

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Speaker 18: in it, But up until now it's kind of been

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Speaker 18: pouring from the psychological point of You can't psychoanalyze a spreadsheet,

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Speaker 18: for instance, can you. The fascinating thing about AI is

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Speaker 18: it's kind of like this intelligent entity has come into

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Speaker 18: the world. So as a psychologist, I find it fascinating

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Speaker 18: because suddenly we've got this whole new entity and you

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Speaker 18: can actually give it psychological tests. You know you can,

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Speaker 18: you can you can actually treat it in a lot

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Speaker 18: of the ways in which we actually think about people

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Speaker 18: as a psychologist, So that's really good. My interest came from.

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Speaker 18: Plus I've also been a golden software startup, et cetera,

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Speaker 18: et cetera.

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Speaker 2: So have you actually treated an AI bot for like

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Speaker 2: mental illness or something.

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Speaker 18: It's not got to that level yet, but I meant,

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Speaker 18: but I think, see what I think will happen. These

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Speaker 18: things are getting more and more powerful, and you know

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Speaker 18: that you know that what's going to happen at some

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Speaker 18: stage the kind of culture wars, and it's already happening.

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Speaker 18: The culture wars will move into the type of AI

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Speaker 18: system that people are using and we know that Elon

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Speaker 18: Musk is set one up which has a certain flavor

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Speaker 18: to it, and he says chat he has got a

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Speaker 18: different favor, So we will we will be sort of

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Speaker 18: analyzing the personality of these ones and you could kind

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Speaker 18: of pick and choose which one's more attuned to your

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Speaker 18: kind of world view. So we will get to that stage.

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Speaker 2: Will people fall in Can people no longer do they

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Speaker 2: no longer need real life relationships? Can they fall in

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Speaker 2: love with an AI spot?

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Speaker 18: This is I think absolutely definitely. This is a fascinating area.

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Speaker 18: So some people say this is bad and dangerous, and

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Speaker 18: obviously if you do fall in love with the bot.

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Speaker 18: What happens with Replica was the interned, all the bots

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Speaker 18: off and a hold. Other people have their heart's breaking.

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Speaker 18: But some people say it's bad, and you can understand

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Speaker 18: why they say it's bad. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 18: in modern society, there's a lot of lonely people out there,

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Speaker 18: and some of them would argue, well, you know, I

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Speaker 18: don't have come people coming around knocking on the door

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Speaker 18: wanting to talk to me, and I've got this thing

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Speaker 18: to me, So if you don't like it, that's your problem.

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Speaker 18: But basically, I'm finding out'm getting on really quite well

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Speaker 18: with it. So so as if everything with AI is

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Speaker 18: kind of a game changer, we're into a new world

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Speaker 18: where we're going to have to think about a lot

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Speaker 18: of the assumptions that we had in the old world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, goodness me, Paul, you've given us a lot to

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Speaker 2: think about. Strategy psychologists and AI commentator Paul Dagnan with

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Speaker 2: us this evening. Sex wouldn't be great with it with

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Speaker 2: a AI robot floppy disk.

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Speaker 3: It's the Heather Duple.

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Speaker 2: Six seventeen. News Talk said be lots of people in

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Speaker 2: response to that interview on AI and relationships, basically a

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Speaker 2: relationship with an AI bot, lots of people are saying

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Speaker 2: watch the movie. Her Ben says, very good, a guy

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Speaker 2: falls in love with an aios. So I'll have to

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Speaker 2: watch that this weekend. Thank you, Ben. Right. Nicola Willis

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Speaker 2: has spent the past three days hinting at changes to

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Speaker 2: company taxes. It all started when I asked her about

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Speaker 2: it on Monday.

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Speaker 9: We're not as competitive as we used to be.

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Speaker 5: We can't take tax off the table because it could

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Speaker 5: make a difference to our competitiveness.

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Speaker 20: We always have to balance that against our other pressing needs.

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Speaker 2: We are at twenty eight percent, Singapore is at seventeen,

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Speaker 2: and Ireland, which we love to compare ourselves to, at

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Speaker 2: eleven and a half percent. From memory, since then, the

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Speaker 2: Finance Minister has been leaving a few more clues in

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Speaker 2: janetips Trainey is the heralds Wellington business editor. She's with

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Speaker 2: me tonight, good evening.

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Speaker 24: Good evening, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: What else is the Finance minister insane?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 24: I had a chat to Nichola Willis after you did,

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Speaker 24: and I asked her about the foreign Investment fund tax regime.

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Speaker 24: Now this sounds awfully dry and boring, but the Inland

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Speaker 24: Revenue has actually been consulting on tweaking these tax rules. Now,

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Speaker 24: these tax rules mean that if you have more than

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Speaker 24: fifty thousand dollars invested in offshore entities and companies and shares,

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Speaker 24: you could be penalized with the way you have to

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Speaker 24: pay tax. So rather than pay tax on the dividend

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Speaker 24: income that you receive, you pay tax on a certain

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Speaker 24: portion of what your investment is worth. So it's a

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Speaker 24: bit like a wealth tax. You know, you pay tax

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Speaker 24: on the value of the investment, even if you're not

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Speaker 24: actually getting any money from that investment. Now, the concern

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Speaker 24: among some people is that that rule could deter wealthy

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Speaker 24: migrants from staying in New Zealand all Kiwis who have

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Speaker 24: earned lots of money overseas and invested overseas from returning

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Speaker 24: back here, you know, because migrants are more likely to

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Speaker 24: have more money invested overseas, and if the tax burden

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Speaker 24: on them is you know, fairly heavy handed due to

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Speaker 24: these rules, then that could cause them to leave. And

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Speaker 24: you know, same with kis, if they have a bunch

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Speaker 24: of money invested in offshore companies, that could prevent them

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Speaker 24: from from coming back to New Zealand. There's a bit

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Speaker 24: of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a really interesting point. I mean, as

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Speaker 2: you say, fifth, we haven't heard much about fifth, but

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Speaker 2: for those people, it would be hugely beneficial if the

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Speaker 2: rules were to.

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Speaker 24: Be changed, Yeah, for sure. And I mean it's a

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Speaker 24: tricky one because for a lot of people you might

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Speaker 24: be thinking, well, if you have more than fifty thousand

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Speaker 24: dollars invested offshore, then you know, you don't really need

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Speaker 24: a tax break. You know, you're probably doing okay. But

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Speaker 24: if the government does want to attract wealthy foreigners to

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Speaker 24: New Zealand, which it says it does, then then this

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Speaker 24: is something that could be changed.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 24: I took to Robin Walker, who's a Deloitte tax partner,

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Speaker 24: and she said it could be changed so that you

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Speaker 24: actually just pay tax on the income you receive rather

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Speaker 24: than paying tax on a certain portion of your investment.

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Speaker 24: Nikola Willis said that she was receptive, that was the word,

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Speaker 24: receptive to hearing concerns and possibly making a change. I

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Speaker 24: believe a whole bunch of people have actually submitted to

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Speaker 24: the ID on this, so it's definitely a live issue.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 24: The Finance Minister also spoke to me a little bit

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Speaker 24: about potentially phasing in any tax changes. So she said

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Speaker 24: that she should make announcements at the budget on May

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Speaker 24: twenty second, and she suggested whilst she wanted to look

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Speaker 24: at some tax settings in the here and now, there

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Speaker 24: could also be some phasing. So you know, I'm reading

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Speaker 24: into I'm reading into it a lot, but that could

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Speaker 24: suggest she might they might signal something at the budget

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Speaker 24: but only implement it in the future, because of course,

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01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 24: you know, the books are not in good shape and

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01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 24: they'll be cognizant that if they're providing any tax breaks,

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Speaker 24: then you know, will that actually generate enough economic growth

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Speaker 24: and then enough additional tax revenue to not put the

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Speaker 24: books further in the read.

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Speaker 2: And it's how quickly that can happen too, isn't it? Jenay,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for that excellent reporting. Jane chip Strainey,

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Speaker 2: who's with us in New Zealand Herald Wellington Business Editor.

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Speaker 2: I reckon what they will do. Here's my money, here's

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Speaker 2: my line in the stand. I reckon they will go

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Speaker 2: with faster depreciation on manufacturing technology because it's it's growth,

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Speaker 2: it's higher paying jobs and its wealth creation. Twenty two

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Speaker 2: after six News Talk ZB where with Milford.

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Speaker 1: Next approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan

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Speaker 1: Bridge with the Business Hour and Mass Insurance and investments.

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01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 1: Grew your wealth, Protect your future newstalks EDB six.

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Speaker 2: T four News Talks ZB. So we've got US companies

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01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 2: reporting their results. Last week we've got covered Microsoft, we

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01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 2: covered Meta. Since then, we've had both Apple and Google.

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Bachelor from Milford Asset Management is with me. Hey, Stephanie, Hi,

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Speaker 2: Ryan steph Starting with Google, China has started an anti

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01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 2: trust investigation. Tell us, what is that about? What's going on?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, so last night China retaliated to Trump's tariffs by

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Speaker 25: saying that they would put levies on some US goods,

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Speaker 25: but they also announced that they would investigate Google for

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01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:17,759
Speaker 25: alleged anti trust violations. Now, Google doesn't operate any search

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Speaker 25: services in China. They pulled out back in twenty ten

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01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 25: that Chinese companies like Timu and she And for example,

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01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 25: they do advertise on Google to access international consumers. And

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Speaker 25: Google also provides its Android operating system to Chinese smartphone makers.

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01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 25: So there hasn't actually been any detail on what exactly

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01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 25: they're going to investigate. So at this stage, it's still

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01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 25: a little bit of a wait and see.

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Speaker 2: Okay. At the same time, we've had the Google's results

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Speaker 2: reported and we've seen a sell off what seven percent down?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, lots lots going on, so shares that they're down

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01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 25: about seven percent post the result, and it was due

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Speaker 25: to a couple of things. The advertising revenue actually came

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Speaker 25: in better than expected, so there was a very strong

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01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 25: retail holiday season, but the cloud revenue was slower, grew

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Speaker 25: slower than the market expected, and that's a little bit

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Speaker 25: of a concern because at the same time, they're continuing

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Speaker 25: to invest more and more in building out that cloud infrastructure.

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Speaker 25: So the market was thinking that they might spend somewhere

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Speaker 25: in the realm of sixty billion dollars next year on

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01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 25: this cloud capex, and the company said it would be

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Speaker 25: more like seventy five billion, So investors are a little

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01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,600
Speaker 25: bit worried as to whether they'll actually be able to

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01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:31,879
Speaker 25: generate a decent return on that investment.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, what about Apple? They've come back with results.

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Speaker 25: Right, Yeah, So they reported end of last week, and

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01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 25: the expectations for Apple had actually fallen going into the results,

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01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 25: so it actually met that low that lowered bar, but

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Speaker 25: it was a little bit underwhelming and shares were down

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01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 25: kind of half percent. So iPhone sales were sluggish. China

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01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 25: sales was still very weak. But the CEO talked up

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Speaker 25: a lot its new AI system called Apple Intelligence, which

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01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 25: they think has a lot of potential going forward. But

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Speaker 25: I think that the market is still a little bit

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01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 25: skeptical on that one.

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Speaker 2: How's Apple faring given Trump's tariffs on China? How's that

1585
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 2: affecting Apple? Because a lot of their stuff that they

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01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 2: put in their phones comes from China.

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Speaker 25: Right, Yeah, that's right. So about ninety percent of iPhones

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01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 25: are assembled in China, so any phones going from China

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01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 25: into the US would then be subject to the new

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01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 25: ten percent tariffs. And so when that news on the

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01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,799
Speaker 25: tariff came out, shares fell three and a half percent.

1592
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 25: But interestingly, the last time Trump put tariffs on China,

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Speaker 25: he actually gave Apple an exemption because he didn't want

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Speaker 25: to risk moving market share away from US Apple to Samsung,

1595
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 25: which is a South Korean company, And in exchange for that,

1596
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 25: Apple committed to manufacturing the mac Pro domestically in the US.

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Speaker 25: So it'll be interesting to see if something similar happens

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Speaker 25: this time. But still days on that one.

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Speaker 2: All right, Stephani, wait and see. Thank you very much

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Speaker 2: for that. Twenty eight minutes after six, that's Stephanie Bachelor

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Speaker 2: from Milford. You're on News Talk SEDB.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's Macro, microbe or just playing economics. It's all

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01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:24,560
Speaker 1: on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and players insurance

1604
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 1: and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future Use talks B.

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01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 2: Twenty four minutes away from seven, you're on News Talk ZEBB.

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01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 2: We're going to get to London shortly, a UK correspondent

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01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray is standing by Lots to talk about with him.

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01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 2: Trump's pulling out of agreements, multinational agreements quicker than a

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01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:55,919
Speaker 2: rat upper drain pipe, left right and center. Paris gone,

1610
01:22:56,120 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 2: the World Health Organization gone, USA all in limbo An

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01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 2: No staying out of it because Biden already got out

1612
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 2: the first time. The Human Rights Council staying out of

1613
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 2: it because Biden got out there after what happened in Gaza.

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01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,799
Speaker 2: Now today UNESCO. I've always had a bit of a

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01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 2: soft warm feeling towards UNESCO, just because they do the

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01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 2: UNESCO World Heritage Sites and they're beautiful places to see.

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Speaker 2: The funding for UNESCO from America is now under review,

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Speaker 2: and the funding for the United Nations more generally now

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01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 2: under review. I'm just hoping, and I saw an article

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Speaker 2: today that he doesn't start looking at the Five Eyes

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Speaker 2: network because we know we're near two percent of GDP

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Speaker 2: on defense. Are we twenty three away from seven Bridge

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Speaker 2: Rich good news this evening if you don't want to

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01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 2: sit in a packed airport lounge, air New Zealand is

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01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 2: looking at a new luxury lounge for elite flyers. They're

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Speaker 2: being tight lipped about the idea. It was floated apparently

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01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 2: at an invested day presentation and if it looks anything

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01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 2: like what Quantus offers could include restaurants style dining and

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01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 2: three massages, wouldn't that be nice? Aviation commentator Irene King

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Speaker 2: is with me, Irene, good evening.

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Speaker 25: Good evening.

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Speaker 2: So a lounge is a lounge is a lounge, but

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Speaker 2: some are beautiful and some are crowded? Is here in

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01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: New Zealand's lounges two crowded? Now?

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Speaker 19: I think?

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01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 12: So?

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Speaker 25: I mean that's reality. I think you know, for the

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Speaker 25: volumes that are going through them, use how much?

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01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 2: How much extra do you charge to put on a

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01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 2: fancy lounge? And if you can, you do you just

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01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 2: do one at one airport? Or do you is there

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Speaker 2: any an expectation that you would have one everywhere?

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Speaker 25: Look, I've seen this concept floated about four or five times,

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01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 25: and I've seen it as executed once here in New Zealand.

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01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 25: So I think in per degree they're just flying a kite.

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01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 25: But when they did execute it, it was so exclusive

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01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 25: that hardly anyone knew where it was. I didn't saw it.

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01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 25: I knew it gifted and it was just intended to

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01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 25: be for the very high ball high, you know, high

1650
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 25: worse travelers. So most people were excluded and most people

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01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 25: ended up in the normal lounge, and so the normal

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01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 25: lounge became very crowded. This particular lounge that they did

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01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 25: put in place lasted from remby about two years. And

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Speaker 25: that's because it's just not the demand here in New

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Speaker 25: Zealand for that level of exclusivity.

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01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 2: Right, how much would it cost?

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01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 25: Very expensive?

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01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 6: How much would it.

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Speaker 2: Cost you to put it on? Because you've got to

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01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 2: staff it all the time too, don't you.

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Speaker 25: Oh? Absolutely, And you know you're competing with Emirates which

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01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 25: already has a high end lounge in Auckland and you

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01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,879
Speaker 25: know anything and just can offer the first class service.

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01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:05,759
Speaker 25: You know, they just don't compete with the like savem

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01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:11,759
Speaker 25: rates and so the patronage is very low. The cost

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01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 25: were very high. You know, you do anything at Auckland

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Speaker 25: Airport and the costume now in the league and like

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Speaker 25: I say, it only lasted about two years because the

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Speaker 25: demand just.

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Speaker 18: He wasn't there.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Irene, thanks for that. Irene King Aviation commentated with

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Speaker 2: us time just gone twenty one minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 3: On Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: So Donald Trump, as I said, pulling out of everything, left,

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Speaker 2: right and center, and today we had China heading back

1676
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 2: over the terraff So what's happened here is quite interesting.

1677
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 2: China's hit back at this stage it is just a threat,

1678
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 2: so you'll see all the headlines saying Beijing is fighting

1679
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 2: back and they're saving tariffs at this stage. They won't

1680
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 2: come into force until the tenth of February, so we

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01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 2: still have a good five days up our sleeve for

1682
01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:59,640
Speaker 2: these two to slog it out and try and come

1683
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 2: up with a resolution, which I think is the point, right.

1684
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 2: You come up with your strong position and retaliation, and

1685
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 2: then you get on the phone and you start talking.

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01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:12,600
Speaker 2: There is a cool schedule between Washington and Beijing for

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01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 2: later this week. It is hoped they can come to

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01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 2: some resolution. Then at the moment, what they're proposing is

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01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 2: pretty meek when you consider what the Yanks have thrown

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01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 2: at them. Fifteen percent tariff on coal and liquefied natural gas,

1691
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 2: ten percent tariff on crude oil, agricultural machinery, and large

1692
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 2: engine cars. So the Yanks have gone with a ten

1693
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,839
Speaker 2: percent across the board, and China's come back with a

1694
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 2: fifteen or ten percent on selected items. Nineteen away from

1695
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 2: seven News Talks.

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01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 1: ZB, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business

1697
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: Hour with Ryan Bridge and plans insurance and investments, Grew

1698
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 1: Your Wealth, Protect Your Future Newstalks.

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01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 2: EDB seventeen away from seven on News Talk ZB. Gavin

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01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 2: Gray's are UK correspondents with us this evening. Hi Gavin, Hi,

1701
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 2: there are great to have you on. Let's talk about

1702
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 2: this situation in Sweden after the shooting. Did told the

1703
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 2: is rising? What led to this? Do we know?

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01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 13: No, we don't so. At the moment, eleven have died.

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01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 13: Plenty more sadly are in hospital. We believe a couple

1706
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 13: of them are critical. We don't know the motive. The

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Speaker 13: perpetrator is dead. The police say they think he acted alone.

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01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 13: They have no idea for the motive, as I said,

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01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 13: and they said he was not known to them beforehand.

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Speaker 13: So investigations continue at various addresses. It's thought they've gone

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01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 13: into addresses linked to the perpetrator in Orabro, which is

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01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 13: roughly two hundred kilometers west of Stockholm, the capitol. But

1713
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 13: the police saying that officers had been shot at and

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01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 13: that was according to one report, police saying no officers

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Speaker 13: had not been shot at. Did the perpetrator kill himself

1716
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 13: or was he killed? All these things still up in

1717
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 13: the air. The one thing that we learn though, is

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01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 13: although it has been called a school, the Centrist for

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01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 13: students over the age of twenty, and it offers school

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Speaker 13: courses as well as Swedish classes for immigrants. Now, I

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01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 13: don't want to immediately jump to conclusions here, but we've

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01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 13: seen things similar in other parts of Europe. I don't

1723
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 13: know if that's the case here. They also do vocational

1724
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:19,639
Speaker 13: training and programs for people with intellectual disability, so it's

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01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 13: a wide ranging educational establishment and the police working on

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01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 13: that motive.

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Speaker 2: Okay, interesting Kevin Centerini beautiful place, the Greek carl and

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01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 2: we all know, we all love it. But there hasn't

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01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 2: been a big earthquake there year, and yet people are

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01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 2: being evacuated. Are they still evacuating now? What's going on?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 13: They are, and that is because although there's not been

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01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 13: one big earthquake, there have been three hundred earthquakes in

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01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 13: one forty eight hour period run and that's why locals

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01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 13: are absolutely terrified. Frankly, six thousand people have left the

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01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,639
Speaker 13: ferry By Island. A couple of thousand more it's thought

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01:29:55,760 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 13: have flown by plane. So roughly ten thousand residents, it's

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01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 13: been estimated, have left this relatively small island, and you know,

1739
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 13: just that fear of what next. Santorini is a small

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01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 13: island population just fifteen thousand, so it really is emptied

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01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 13: out because of the fears of this. Of course, it

1742
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 13: does welcome millions of tourists every year, but it is

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01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 13: on this what's called the Hellenic Volcanic Arc, a chain

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01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 13: of islands created by volcanoes. The last major eruption their

1745
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 13: nineteen fifties. But huge concern about the frequency of these earthquakes,

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01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 13: and while as I said, none have been damage causing,

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01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 13: there are certainly concerns that they seem to be getting

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01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 13: stronger and if anything, more frequent.

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01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 2: Kevin, have you done your text return?

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01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: You?

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01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 18: Ah? I have?

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01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 13: Do I get a big tick in the box and

1753
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 13: a gold star? I am, however, among the majority, but

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01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 13: you would be amazed Ryan, how many people have failed.

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01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 13: One point one million people have missed the deadline for

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01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 13: filing their annual tax returns here in the UK. What

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01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 13: does that mean, Well, it means they'll automatically get a

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01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 13: two hundred and twenty New Zealand dollar fine for missing

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01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 13: the cutoff period unless they can provide a valid excuse

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01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 13: for failing to file like in hospital et cetera, et cetera.

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01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 13: But amazingly thirty one thousand left it to the final

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01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:21,799
Speaker 13: hour before the deadline. Eleven point five million did complete

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01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 13: it all on time. But this could be a big

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01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 13: money generator for the government here with these people missing

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01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 13: the deadlines. It's amazing. I think it's just at an

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01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 13: unfortunate time of year having to get it in before

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01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 13: the thirty first of January. These figures out now about

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01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,839
Speaker 13: who's missed it, but certainly the charges and the fines

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01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 13: can be pretty big, so something you can't write off

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01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 13: against a future tax return either.

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Speaker 2: Gevin, thank you for that. Great to have you on

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01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 2: as always. Givin Gray, a UK correspondent thirteen minutes away

1773
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 2: from seven on News Talks.

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01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 3: It being Bryan Bridge.

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01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 2: Now I suppoke to you actually before I get to this,

1776
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 2: a lots of your ticks on the Cardu club Ryan,

1777
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 2: I'm with you on the Kodoo club charges. You need

1778
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 2: to go at least three date night. Oh what is

1779
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 2: this saying that's at least three date nights for the

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01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 2: cost of a kudo, which is about eight hundred dollars

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01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 2: a year. He said, that's at least three date nights

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01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 2: and if you only fly once or twice a year,

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01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,679
Speaker 2: it's not worth it. It's not being tight. It's been smart,

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01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 2: says Muzzies. I agree with you, Ryan. I was an

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01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 2: elite member of Kodoo Club years ago, and I don't

1786
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 2: see how elite people would have the time to lounge

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01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 2: around as I didn't. Ah Well, I love that one.

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01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:37,599
Speaker 2: Gary says, if you kept the lounge for only business

1789
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 2: and first class passengers, they wouldn't be that busy, and

1790
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 2: then there's no need to build a new one. The

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01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 2: Kardoo Lounge is for anyone that pays a fee. Wrong, Gary,

1792
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 2: that's interesting. You're basically saying kick the plebs out, aren't you.

1793
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 2: That's that's the long and short of what you're saying.

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01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 2: Because if you can just buy an ordinary ticket, in fact,

1795
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 2: you can do a save a fair and all you

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01:32:58,040 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 2: have to do is pay eight hundred dollars a year

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01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 2: and you get into the lone. Honestly, this what's wrong

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01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 2: with the airport. If you only fly once or twice

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01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 2: a year and you know, and you're not doing lots

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01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 2: of long haul and you're just going down to I

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01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 2: don't know, to topor or you're going to Wellington or

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01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 2: Queenstown or whatever. What's the harmon sitting in one of

1803
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 2: our airports for an hour. It's not. It's not like

1804
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:26,679
Speaker 2: you know, Mumbai, is it. It's not, it's not. It's

1805
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:30,679
Speaker 2: pretty clean, it's pretty sanitary. Everything's all right. I actually,

1806
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 2: I just don't see the problem. Eleven minutes away from seven, News.

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01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:36,759
Speaker 3: Talks ebb Ryan Bridge.

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01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 2: Yes, it is still eleven minutes away from seven. We'll

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01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 2: be back in just a moment.

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01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 1: It's the heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show

1811
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZBB.

1812
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 2: Eight away from seven on News Talk ZBB. Just before

1813
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:56,720
Speaker 2: we come up to the top of the air, I

1814
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 2: thought I mentioned Jesse Eisenberg. Do you know who he is?

1815
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 2: He played Mark Zuckerberg and the Social Network, that movie

1816
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 2: about Facebook. He has come out today and I just

1817
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 2: I don't know why I've been getting really annoyed by

1818
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:13,680
Speaker 2: musicians and actors recently, but I just have it's just

1819
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 2: a sort of visceral reaction that I'm having. Maybe it's

1820
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 2: because it's a word season. So we're hearing a lot

1821
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 2: from them. But he's come out and he said, because

1822
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg has dropped the fact checkers on Facebook and

1823
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 2: gone a little bit trumpy, this actor, Jesse Eisenberg, has

1824
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 2: come out and said I don't want to be associated

1825
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 2: with somebody like that anymore. He said, this guy, as

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01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:38,679
Speaker 2: in Zuckerberg, is doing things that are problematic. Dude, you're

1827
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:42,719
Speaker 2: an actor. Your job, like your job, is to try

1828
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 2: and portray somebody. It doesn't mean you endorse them. What

1829
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 2: about people who play Hitler? I mean, do they have

1830
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 2: to you know what I mean? Do they have to

1831
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 2: come out and do an interview and say I'd like

1832
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 2: to distance myself from Hitler. No, you're acting. We understand that. Anyway.

1833
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 2: This is what had to say to a magazine in

1834
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 2: the last couple of days. Oh actually sorry, now this

1835
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 2: is him from the movie The Social Network of Tribute.

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01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 3: You have part of my attention, You have the minimum amount.

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01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 5: The rest of my attention is back at the offices

1838
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 5: of Facebook, where my colleagues and I are doing things

1839
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 5: that no one in this room, including and especially your clients,

1840
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 5: are Intellectually, you're creatively capable of doing.

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01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 2: So there you go. If you remember the movie, it

1842
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 2: was actually quite good. But I just think if okay,

1843
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 2: fair enough, if you're going to make a comment like that,

1844
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 2: you're going to make a stand like that, Are you

1845
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 2: going to give your appearance fee to charity or something?

1846
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:36,800
Speaker 2: You know, if you really don't want to be associated

1847
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 2: with the movie, of course you're not. Man. A lot

1848
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:41,799
Speaker 2: of people have got a lot of opinions on Corero Lounge,

1849
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:45,720
Speaker 2: don't they. I'm surprised how many people actually go there, kuld.

1850
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 2: It is a waste of time, no preferential treatment and

1851
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 2: rubbish food. Spend the eight hundred dollars on a nice

1852
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 2: meal when you get to your destination, says Matt. And

1853
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 2: now this is unless you're traveling internationally. You don't have

1854
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 2: time for the corow lounge. And she want to waste

1855
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 2: time in that round it's small and classless. Jeez, you

1856
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 2: don't hold back, do you? Just coming up to six

1857
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 2: minutes away from seven, I'm going to enjoy my white

1858
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 2: time your day tomorrow. I can tull you that much.

1859
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 2: I hope you do too. And what are we going

1860
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 2: out to? This evening?

1861
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 26: Smile by Lily Ellen to play us out and it's

1862
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 26: not a happy one. Unfortunately. According to People magazine, Lily

1863
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 26: Allen has separated from David Harbor. They've been married for

1864
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 26: four years. David Harbor is the one. If you ever

1865
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 26: watched Stranger Things, he's the sheriff, at least in the

1866
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 26: first season. I'm not caught up on the whole thing,

1867
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 26: but yeah, apparently they've been married for four years. But

1868
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 26: People magazine reports that they have separated, and Lily Allen

1869
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 26: has been talking recently in interviews and stuff about how

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01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:47,560
Speaker 26: she's not in the good place lately and how she's spiraling.

1871
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 26: So suddenly it looks like that's taken a toll on

1872
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 26: her relationship. But there you go, Lily Allen, smile to

1873
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,719
Speaker 26: play us out night. That's a nice, cheery well listen

1874
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 26: to a public holiday, isn't that that?

1875
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:58,919
Speaker 2: Happy note? Thank you, Thanks for all of your feedback

1876
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,559
Speaker 2: in your techs and your emails. Just speak everyone. We'll

1877
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 2: see you again on Monday.

1878
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:05,799
Speaker 6: Alone.

1879
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 27: It's sunny because you're feeling alone.

1880
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 6: I see you cry.

1881
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 11: It makes me smile, Yeah, it makes me smile.

1882
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 27: Help, yes, but then I just start, I know I

1883
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 27: had and smile. Whenever you see me, you say that

1884
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 27: you want me Bay, and I tell you it don't

1885
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 27: mean Dige, No, it don't.

1886
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 10: Mean that.

1887
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 11: I could stop laughing.

1888
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 27: No, I just couldn't help myself. I see you missed

1889
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 27: up my mental health.

1890
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 12: I was my own well.

1891
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 27: Oh so lost bat Man. But with a little help

1892
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 27: from my friends, I found a light in the tune

1893
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 27: at the end. Now you're calling me up on the

1894
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 27: phone so you can have a little line. And it's

1895
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 27: funny because you're feeling in a love.

1896
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 3: You see your car.

1897
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:16,839
Speaker 2: It makes me smile.

1898
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 11: Yeah, it makes me smile.

1899
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 2: Stop being a bad but is that?

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01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 27: But then I just start and the way SI.

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01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 24: See you Cary.

1902
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 27: Makes me smile, like say, it makes me smile, stop

1903
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 27: being bad?

1904
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 11: But that I love.

1905
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 2: But then I just start.

1906
01:38:58,680 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 24: A father.

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01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:24,120
Speaker 1: Getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Ryan Bridge on

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01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 1: Hither Duplicity Allen Drive with One New Zealand Let's get

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01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:32,839
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01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:35,720
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