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Speaker 1: A two year inquiry into our policing system has found

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Speaker 1: bias and structural racism. It found Maldi men are more

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Speaker 1: likely to be stopped, tasted and prosecuted than Parkiher criminal lawyer,

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Speaker 1: Steve Cullen, is with us now. Steve, Hi, Hey, Heather,

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Speaker 1: have you seen any evidence of this?

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Speaker 2: Oh? No, it's to be friend. It's a rather bizarre

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Speaker 2: allegation to allad systemic bias throughout the entire New Zealand

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Speaker 2: police community. Is an enormously serious assertion. You'd want it

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Speaker 2: to be substantiated by clear and unambiguous evidence, wouldn't it?

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Speaker 1: Is there no evidence?

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Speaker 2: Well, there might be individual cases that might seem to

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Speaker 2: head as a bias in relation to maybe one of

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Speaker 2: the parties involved in the case, but that doesn't support

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Speaker 2: an allegation of fundamental corruption within the police nation wide,

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Speaker 2: systemically against an entire race and culture. And in fact,

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Speaker 2: that struck me the fact that the Commissioner of Police

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Speaker 2: has called for this report, that's making that public speaks

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Speaker 2: for itself against that very type of suggestion.

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Speaker 1: Steve, I don't even know how you reached up not you,

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Speaker 1: they reached some of these conclusions. They say that unconscious

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Speaker 1: bias increases the chance of Maori being prosecuted by eleven percent.

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Speaker 1: How do you even quantify eleven percent?

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Speaker 2: Yes, you need to see the statistics, which is we

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Speaker 2: know these lies, damn licensed statistics. What basis did they

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Speaker 2: use to make this type of allegation. I spoke with

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Speaker 2: a couple of colleagues within the police force and when

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Speaker 2: they stopped laughing, they said, people don't seem to realize

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Speaker 2: the police actively sought to recruit people of married heritage

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Speaker 2: into the force. That was extremely successful. People should be

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Speaker 2: made aware what proportion of the force is actually of heritage?

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Speaker 2: What proportion are the ranks a MARII There are a

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Speaker 2: lot of sergeants and the senior ranks and Maria the

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Speaker 2: assistant commission in Auckland's Mari. We're a assistant commissioner's nation.

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Speaker 2: Why do you marry the chief district court judges of

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Speaker 2: Mara culture. It's absurd. They've never been so ethnically diverse.

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Speaker 2: Another policeman's comment was they targeted initially married in Asian, Indian, Polynesian, Fijians,

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Speaker 2: Fijian Indians and now the folks is on the rainbow community.

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Speaker 2: And that officer's comment was they now acknowledge participate in

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Speaker 2: the range of cultural celebrations from d Wali to individual

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Speaker 2: language celebrations. Who's teaching the people of Fijian background, or

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Speaker 2: Indian background, or Philippine or Malaysian or Polynesian background, or

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Speaker 2: the Maori members of the force to be systemically biased

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Speaker 2: against Maori. It's ridiculous when you have regard to the

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Speaker 2: number of senior officers within the force who are murray

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Speaker 2: and we all are aware of and familiar with that

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Speaker 2: type of personnel within the police force.

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Speaker 1: Steve, it's good to talk to you. Thank you mate.

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Speaker 1: That's Steve Cullen, the criminal lawyer.

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