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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Ryan

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Speaker 1: Bridge on hither duplicy Ellen Dreve with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: coverage like no one else to U saw senb.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, it is seven after four. Great to have

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Speaker 2: your company. The RMA reformers incoming. Will it be a

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Speaker 2: bazooka or will it be tinkering? The Chinese are following

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Speaker 2: a navy ship of ours. Why can't you just tap

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Speaker 2: your debit card and pay for a bus. We're live

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Speaker 3: After six, Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: I have had it with people running around pretending that

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Speaker 2: we are all going to solve the world's big global problems.

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Speaker 2: We're not. Just stop it. Australia's banning kids from social

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Speaker 2: media on Wednesday. They're going to be world leading and

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Speaker 2: doing this sounds very appealing, stop the brain rot, etc.

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Speaker 2: Except that kids will be kids and they will just

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Speaker 2: get around it. They will go They'll do the same

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Speaker 2: thing that I did when I lived in China using

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Speaker 2: Facebook and get around the big firewall. You use a VPN,

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Speaker 2: simply log into an app and piggyback off another country

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Speaker 2: Good luck with this actually working. Same goes for climate change.

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Speaker 2: Remember we were once world leading on climate Well, the

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Speaker 2: problem with being world leading is that you actually need

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Speaker 2: others to follow. Otherwise you're not world leading. You're just

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Speaker 2: global in nature, you need kumbaia from all corners of

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Speaker 2: the globe to address them. Look how that goes and

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Speaker 2: works for the UN. It doesn't, does it? You know that?

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Speaker 2: The truth of it is, if we really wanted to

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Speaker 2: each and every one of us tomorrow take phones off

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Speaker 2: will we? A pole out of Australia says seventy percent

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Speaker 2: with these global problems. Governments make a big song and dance,

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Speaker 2: do we. Bryan Bridge ninety two is the number to text.

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Speaker 2: It is nine minutes after four. SkyTV shares have been

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Speaker 2: same after the Netflix Warner Bros. Deals announced at the weekend.

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Speaker 2: But it affects Sky in New Zealand because a lot

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Speaker 2: How are you got to thank you? How much of

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Speaker 2: And then what happens after the deal ends? Does everything

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Speaker 2: Talks B four sixteen News Talks. There'd be great to

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Speaker 2: opening editorial there, except for Janie Graham and Sharon, there

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Speaker 1: Good Sport with TB BED with real time odds and

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, right home mates, black Cats. So the Wendy's

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Speaker 2: We've got a couple of days before the second Test.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now the Phoenix unfortunate. No one ever thought they

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Speaker 6: On Saturday, beautiful day, big crowd, lots of drama, lots

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on news Dogs. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 12: Some people operate without permission or illegally, and the fire

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Speaker 14: Afternoon, Good afternoon, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: So you've got this big social media the world is

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Speaker 15: Yeah, a third of parents they believe will not enforce it.

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Speaker 14: That's how they're saying it is going to work.

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Speaker 15: There is no confirmed technology, to be fair, Ryan, that

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Speaker 14: Are supportive of it, but most of them might do.

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Speaker 2: Anything about Ollie. Can you explain this to me, because

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Speaker 2: I know you've got young kids. If you know social

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Speaker 15: right that that's going to help me as a mum

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think parents don't like bring parents at the moment.

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Speaker 15: Could we even see Barnaby Joyce's leader of One Nation

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Speaker 14: He's got to get elected first. I realized that.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, two boxing day tests just so happened to be

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Speaker 14: If her husband wants to go to the Boxing Day

436
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Speaker 14: tests like I do, and like you probably do, Ryan,

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Speaker 14: well you go.

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Speaker 15: You got to pay your own way in our parliamentary

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Speaker 15: business on Boxing Day when you're already getting free tickets

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Speaker 15: from Cricket Australia. It's just not the greatest look in

441
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Speaker 15: the world, now, is it. She's done it on a

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Speaker 15: few occasions. The Sketers Reports Resort seems to also have

443
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Speaker 15: a bit of a whiff about it. Plus the fact

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Speaker 15: that she spent one hundred thousand dollars she and a

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Speaker 15: couple of colleagues from her office to go over to

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Speaker 15: New York to sprout this social media ban. There has

447
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Speaker 15: to be somebody in that office providing that check and

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Speaker 15: that balance before you start to submit those costings.

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Speaker 14: Sure it's in the rules, but again, does it pass

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Speaker 14: the pub test?

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Speaker 15: I think Australians and New Zealanders as today would say,

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Speaker 15: I don't think so, Sports Minister.

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't pass the sniff test at all. Oli,

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Speaker 2: thank you for that. Oli Peterson, our Australian correspondent. Time

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Speaker 2: is eighteen minutes away from five. That's got to be

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Speaker 2: three strikes. See elbows still defending her, but that's got

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Speaker 2: to be three strikes. Two tests and the ski resort.

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Speaker 2: That's a passion of behavior. Now, lots of people texting

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Speaker 2: in about the social media band Ryan lazy parents out

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Speaker 2: there that lead their kids on social media. Now, every

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Speaker 2: time I say this, I get flat because I don't

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Speaker 2: have kids. People go, wow, you don't have Kensame get

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Speaker 2: don't what it's like? Well tell me like as anyone

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Speaker 2: out there managed to stop their kids from using their

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Speaker 2: phones successfully? And how do you do that? I would

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Speaker 2: have thought you just don't buy them phones? But that's

467
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Speaker 2: what do I know? Who Am I just a childless

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Speaker 2: renter on the radio eighteen to five buried open next.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: She's gone quarter to five on news talks. You'd be Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Parents find it difficult to say no to social media

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Speaker 2: apps because the peers have them too. It's simple, they

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Speaker 2: have tantrums. Please help us by supporting a legal band,

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Speaker 2: says Rich. Honestly, just because if your child has a tantrum,

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Speaker 2: you give them what they want. That's what's wrong with

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Speaker 2: the world, isn't it? Very correct?

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Speaker 13: Ryan? Correct.

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Speaker 16: I know you're a childless man, but I'm a father,

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Speaker 16: receiven and I can tell you what. You get a

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Speaker 16: lot of tantrums that I have over the years about

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Speaker 16: trying to keep them off social media. It's virtually impossible.

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Speaker 2: But you just say no, don't buy them. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if they're that young, you don't buy them a phone.

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Speaker 16: You don't buy them and you give them. You know,

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Speaker 16: you've got to set parameters in place, and I always

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Speaker 16: have with television and that sort of thing. So, you know,

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Speaker 16: tantrums or not exactly.

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Speaker 2: Luxn's getting some flat not well, they've had the RMA discussion,

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Speaker 2: of course, that's coming tomorrow.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, and that's you know, this is significant really when

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Speaker 16: you think about it. I mean, I remember the law

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Speaker 16: professor Jeffrey Palmer bringing in the first RMA in nineteen

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Speaker 16: eighty nine. It wasn't enacted then, it was introduced, but

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Speaker 16: they lost the election, so it was enacted by a

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Speaker 16: person who would have read it word for word more

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Speaker 16: than three hundred pages. The original act was that was

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Speaker 16: Simon Upton for the National Party. He enacted the peace

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Speaker 16: of legislation. And now it's grind to over seven hundred pages.

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Speaker 16: I mean, and it's you know, it's not just the

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Speaker 16: volume of it, it's what it's done to virtually everything

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Speaker 16: in this country that you can't do without a permit. Well,

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Speaker 16: I've got to say that Chris Lackson was today doing

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Speaker 16: a selling campaign on what's what we're going to see tomorrow.

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Speaker 17: There will be less talking and filling in forms and

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Speaker 17: more building and more growing. And to give you a

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Speaker 17: sense of how radical our changes will be, officials estimate

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Speaker 17: that up to forty six percent of consent and permit

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Speaker 17: applications required under the current remay could be removed under

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Speaker 17: our new planning system based on twenty three twenty four volumes,

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Speaker 17: that represents between fifteen twenty two thousand consents that would

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Speaker 17: no longer be needed. Of course, what it means is

512
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Speaker 17: more houses, more wind farms, more supermarkets and more roads.

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Speaker 17: Homeowners will be able to build a deck or extend

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Speaker 17: their home without unnecessary costs.

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Speaker 3: And delays.

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Speaker 17: Farmers can spend more time on the farm and less

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Speaker 17: time on paperwork. Successive governments have tried to make changes

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Speaker 17: which have ended up being completely unworkable or merely tinkering

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Speaker 17: around their margins. What we're proposing tomorrow will be a

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Speaker 17: game changer, right.

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Speaker 2: It does sound that that's half consents basically wouldn't be needed.

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Speaker 2: Incredible They can go out and build a without having

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Speaker 2: touring it on because you know, you can barely fart

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Speaker 2: without needing a reason these days. Terrible. Yeah, no, Now

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Speaker 2: what do you make of the cost of thing? Do

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Speaker 2: you think people of tuning out to this near?

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Speaker 18: Well?

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Speaker 16: I think so actually, but not the press gallery at

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Speaker 16: Parliament and Chris Luxen sort of announced that, but you

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Speaker 16: heard and then there were no questions on it. I

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Speaker 16: mean I pulled out up to twelve minutes. They all

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Speaker 16: talked about Costa, who knew what and when? And Mark

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Speaker 16: Mitchell is now coming out and saying that Costa on

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Speaker 16: his interview yesterday on Q and A was talking at

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Speaker 16: a nonsense when he said that he had briefed him

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Speaker 16: on the mcskimming thing in October. Well it was November

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Speaker 16: that certainly, Mark Mitchell and I've known Mark Mitchell every

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Speaker 16: ever since he come into Parliament. He's very much a

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Speaker 16: straight shooter and he's not likely to fudge this. And

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Speaker 16: why would he He said he only knew in November,

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Speaker 16: and I'd take him out his word, and certainly Chris Lackson,

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Speaker 16: despite all the questioning from the gallery today, talk him

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Speaker 16: out his word as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Costa maucked up by blaming by throwing stones at

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Speaker 2: both Labor and National. That's right. He should have just

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Speaker 2: lobbed one and he would have had all the right

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Speaker 2: wingers on his side, no one.

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Speaker 16: But did you notice when he was asked the question

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Speaker 16: did you know was he right in saying what he said?

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Speaker 16: What the minister said? There was quite a hesitation before

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Speaker 16: he answered the question.

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Speaker 2: He was right. We're here from Hipkins on that soon

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Speaker 2: too on his side of the story. Now our warship's

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Speaker 2: being shadowed by the Chinese feet.

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Speaker 16: We've got a fleet, the a On naval vessel is

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Speaker 16: the biggest in our complement of goodness only knows how

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Speaker 16: many ships, but not a lot. And now we're being

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Speaker 16: followed around in the well. We went into the South

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Speaker 16: China Sea last month and went through the Taiwan straight.

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Speaker 2: Them.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well they're there essentially to look at what's going

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Speaker 16: on with North Korea and the missile testing and what

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Speaker 16: have you, So it will be part of the five

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Speaker 16: Eyes thing. But the Chinese, I mean, they really do

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Speaker 16: know how to let you know that they're watching. Remember

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Speaker 16: they were in our waters, not in our territorial waters,

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Speaker 16: but within our waters a couple of months ago. Well,

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Speaker 16: here they are a fleet following our one little worship.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to Jeffy Miller about that after five. Finally,

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Speaker 2: this is very sad news because, as you know how

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Speaker 2: close they were, Helen Clark's fathers passed away, Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 16: It was fascinating. The story about Helen Clark and her father,

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Speaker 16: I think is a great one because he was one

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Speaker 16: hundred and three when he died. And I was talking

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Speaker 16: to Helen very recently and she's always been down when

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Speaker 16: she's in the country down. And why he had a

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Speaker 16: dad's side and he lived at home, at his own home,

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Speaker 16: and why he one hundred and three years old. I mean,

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Speaker 16: he had a number of complications. But George was a

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Speaker 16: National Party supporter. When Helen joined the Princess Street branch

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Speaker 16: of the Labor Party and then went on to become

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Speaker 16: the Prime minister. And apparently George had a conversion on

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Speaker 16: the road to the Beehive. And obviously if your daughter

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Speaker 16: is a prime minister, you don't want to speak too

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Speaker 16: much about what your background politics would be.

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Speaker 2: No, you fall into mind a beautiful relationship there. She

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Speaker 2: would go down to why He Beach and make them

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Speaker 2: meals and put them in the freezer like she was

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Speaker 2: a very attentive.

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Speaker 16: And the thing is, I think always Ryan and I know,

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Speaker 16: having lost older relatives myself. The longer the bea like

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Speaker 16: her dad is. They're all alive and she's in her

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Speaker 16: mid seventies, the harder it is, I think on you

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Speaker 16: as a person to lose them.

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Speaker 2: Very Soper, that's politics. It's nine to five news Talks.

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Speaker 2: Be will hear from Hitkins hopefully before top of the.

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Speaker 1: R hard Talk. Bold takes big stories. It's the Mike

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Speaker 1: Hosking Breakfast when the.

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Speaker 15: Police Commissioner Andrew cost has finally given his version of events,

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Speaker 15: and he says Mark Mitchell knew about the allegations earlier

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Speaker 15: than they are admitting.

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Speaker 19: And Mark Mitchell, the police Minister's with us absolute nonsense.

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Speaker 20: Andrew Costa didn't voluntarily come and brief me. He was

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Speaker 20: told by the PSC to come and brief me. I

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Speaker 20: did not swallow the narrative that mc skimming was a victim.

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Speaker 20: I am a father of two daughters. Part of my

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Speaker 20: role as protecting people against the power of the state

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Speaker 20: when they buck up against it.

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Speaker 3: Christopher luxon Prime Minister.

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Speaker 14: What about Costa himself?

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Speaker 3: Does he have a future in the public service.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 17: By his own admission, he got his judgments wrong.

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Speaker 19: So you're open to having him back.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying it's not something I considered.

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Speaker 3: You haven't promised him any future jobs of.

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Speaker 1: Every night either, dupe for see Ellen on the Mike

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Speaker 1: Hosking Breakfast Back tomorrow at six am with Bailey's Real

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Speaker 1: Estate on news Togs.

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Speaker 2: There'd be five to five. We'll look at the R

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Speaker 2: and A reform after five o'clock tonight. Nicola willis on

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Speaker 2: the show after six and we'll ask her about Costa

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Speaker 2: because she obviously recommended him for appointment to the Social

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Speaker 2: Investment Agency. The whole mess is sort of sticking around

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Speaker 2: because of that, really, isn't it. So we'll ask her

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Speaker 2: a couple of questions now I'm getting you introduced you

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Speaker 2: now to a man named Adam Griffiths. You might have

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Speaker 2: heard of him. He's the interim head coach of Perth

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Speaker 2: Glory in the A League. This is football. He's keen

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Speaker 2: to become the permanent head coach. You see, and Perth

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Speaker 2: won the last three games, so he's making a pretty

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Speaker 2: good fist of it so far. Why am I telling

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Speaker 2: you about this? Well? As well as being a talented

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Speaker 2: football coach, this guy also apparently has the soul of

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Speaker 2: a poet. After the Glori's win over West in Sydney

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Speaker 2: on Friday night, Adam was asked about his prospects of

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Speaker 2: staying on as a permanent head coach. This is what

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Speaker 2: he said.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, this question comes up a lot, and I understand why.

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Speaker 21: Probably ask you guys to imagine a shared cliff two

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Speaker 21: undred meters higher and a mountain ghost sitting on it,

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Speaker 21: and he's eating some moss, some nutrients. But this mountain

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Speaker 21: goat he's been there for twenty five years. He knows

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Speaker 21: the terrain, he knows every little step that he needs

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Speaker 21: to take. He's seen others other mountain goats steping in

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Speaker 21: these places. Some are falling, some are still going.

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Speaker 19: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm just going to take a quick break. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I thought we might have to take a break, like

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Speaker 2: an intermission at the movies because the thing is so long.

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Speaker 2: But he continues. This reporter is standing around him while

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Speaker 2: this is all happening. He continues, So.

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Speaker 21: This mountain goat loves loves being on this mountain. He

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Speaker 21: loves the risk, he loves the decision making, he loves

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Speaker 21: everything about it being on this mountain. Right now, I

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Speaker 21: want you to forget about the mountain goat. Eraise it

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Speaker 21: from your memory, eraise it from your gray matter, delete it.

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Speaker 2: I am a lion, okay, good, And that, kids, is

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Speaker 2: why you don't do drugs.

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Speaker 13: And they're all like, yeah, okay, nobody understood that.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Honestly, the most bizarre sort of rant analogy

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Speaker 2: I think you've ever seen or heard in Football News

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Speaker 2: Talk z b RMA next.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, find the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on Hither Dupercy Ellen Drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand and the Power of Satellite Mobile News Talk ZIB.

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Speaker 2: Good Evening seven after five Drags to have your company

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Speaker 2: the resource Management Actors from nineteen ninety one. That's about

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Speaker 2: as long as we've been complaining about it. Tomorrow, the

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Speaker 2: big revamp of the rules will be announced. Alan McDonald,

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Speaker 2: as the head of advocacy for the Employer's Manufacturers Association,

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Speaker 2: joins us tonight. Ellen, good evening, Hi, Ryan, is have

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Speaker 2: you seen this? Have you been given a little heads up?

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Speaker 22: I've been working on this thing for eight years now,

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Speaker 22: so we've been working fairly closely with MFE and various

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Speaker 22: ministers along the way. So yes, I've seen what's in it,

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Speaker 22: but I can't talk about it yet.

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Speaker 2: I understand that. But can you give us this? Is

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Speaker 2: there going to be a blockbuster? Is this going to

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Speaker 2: be a bazooka or is it going to be more

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Speaker 2: tankering around the edges?

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Speaker 22: Definitely the bazooka.

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Speaker 2: What's changing, Well.

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Speaker 22: The old system is cumbersome, slow, inefficient, uncertain and very

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Speaker 22: expensive and the new system, if it works well, will

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Speaker 22: be none of those. And also the old system didn't

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Speaker 22: actually protect the environment, and we had the Environmental Defense

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Speaker 22: Society prove that for US about seven or eight years ago.

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Speaker 22: So the new one will have an enforcement agency and

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Speaker 22: national standards. So the councilors can't sort of add their

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Speaker 22: own seventy different interpretations of it, so hopefully it will.

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Speaker 22: Hopefully it will, I think give better protection to the environment.

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Speaker 22: Many people will not agree with that.

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Speaker 2: Can you get yeah, well that's true. Can you give

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Speaker 2: us an example of what you know how bad the

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Speaker 2: IMA is right now?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I can give you two really good ones. So

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Speaker 22: we've got a member who builds two bedroom beach batches

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Speaker 22: to be used in the way Catto. There are nine

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Speaker 22: councilors in the Way Catto. These things are identical. They

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Speaker 22: plug in at one end and everything flows out the

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Speaker 22: other end. He can have anywhere from about thirty or

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Speaker 22: forty pages of compliance up to something that looks like

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Speaker 22: about an inch and a half thick. So that's one

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Speaker 22: example of how inefficient it is. One of our other

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Speaker 22: members who runs a sawmill, very successful one down on

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Speaker 22: the Bay of twenty wanted to expand a building on

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Speaker 22: his site. So it's got all the air discharge, water discharge,

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Speaker 22: has kem, all of those things. It's already got those

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Speaker 22: existing permissions. Quarter of a million dollars to get a

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Speaker 22: consent just to expand the building on the site where

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Speaker 22: he's already doing all that stuff. It's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Makes you blood boiled. Tomorrow it's all over. We live

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Speaker 2: in Hope, Allan McDonald, head of advocacy for the AMA.

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Speaker 2: It's nine after five. Chinese very sensitive right now over

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Speaker 2: Taiwan thanks to Taker ech Ye who's the new Japanese

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister. And our Defense Force has kind of been

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Speaker 2: caught up in this. So they've revealed that one of

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Speaker 2: our navy ships was followed around by Chinese warships. Recently,

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Speaker 2: h Men's alto been patrolling international waters. This is close

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Speaker 2: to the East China Sea, close to the Yellow Sea,

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Speaker 2: helping to curb North Korea's nuclear bilistic missile programs. That's

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Speaker 2: what they were doing there, but the Chinese didn't like it.

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Speaker 2: So seven Chinese warships shadowed the New Zealand Navy, apparently,

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Speaker 2: according to the Defense Force, though they maintained a safe

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Speaker 2: and professional distance. Jeoeped. Political analyst Jeffrey Miller, is with

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Speaker 2: me tonight, Jeffrey, Good evening.

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Speaker 4: Good evening.

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Speaker 3: Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Unsurprising that the Chinese military keeping a close eye on us.

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Speaker 19: He's very unsurprising. I think I think that was always

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Speaker 19: going to happen. If you sail through the Taiwan straight,

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Speaker 19: New Zealand did it last year. Last time it was

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Speaker 19: accompanied by an Australian vessel. This time it seems to

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Speaker 19: have been alone. I'm no surprise at all that China

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Speaker 19: was keeping a close watch on what New Zealand navy

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Speaker 19: was up to.

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Speaker 2: It is the least offensive us doing it on our

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Speaker 2: own name. I've thought about that, and.

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Speaker 19: I think yes, in general, China takes the view that

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Speaker 19: when you undertake joint actions with other particularly with other

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Speaker 19: five Eyes countries, that's more provocative. So the fact New

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Speaker 19: Zealand was on its own possibly makes it a little

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Speaker 19: bit better in China's eyes. I don't know, though, And

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Speaker 19: you have to remember, after last year's incident that was

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Speaker 19: in September twenty twenty four, we then had the live

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Speaker 19: fire exercises by the Chinese ships in the Tasman Sea

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Speaker 19: that was in February, and that seemed to be I

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Speaker 19: guess a consequence of that, or retaliation to that incident

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Speaker 19: in fact of September twenty four. So you will wait

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Speaker 19: and see whether there's any further repercussion to what transpired

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Speaker 19: back earlier last month, did you free?

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Speaker 2: You will know We've had the US officials, some quite

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Speaker 2: senior US officials for years now saying this Taiwan situation

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Speaker 2: is going to kick off, and some of the even

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Speaker 2: gave a date. They said by twenty twenty seven, we

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Speaker 2: would see the Chinese either invade or blockade or quarantine

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Speaker 2: or whatever Taiwan by twenty twenty seven. Do you think

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Speaker 2: things are heating up? You know, are they reaching a

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Speaker 2: boiling point?

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Speaker 11: Well, in some.

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Speaker 19: Ways, yes, Overall, in the last few years things have

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Speaker 19: got hotter rather than colder, if you like, in terms

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Speaker 19: of geopolitical tensions. And yeah, I would say this year,

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Speaker 19: if you look at it holistically, we're actually in a

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Speaker 19: better place. We've got a trade truce between China and

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Speaker 19: the United States. Remember Donald Trump met with jijingping at

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Speaker 19: Apex back in what October and signed a trade truce

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Speaker 19: and stepped back from the brink with the tariffs. But

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Speaker 19: also I think when you look at New Zealand this year,

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Speaker 19: New Zealand has come to appreciate China more than perhaps

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Speaker 19: in recent years, and that's because of Donald Trump and

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Speaker 19: Liberation Day and all the tariffs. So we see, we

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Speaker 19: saw two meetings this year by Christopher Luxon with Jijiping

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Speaker 19: Luxan went to China back in June and then he

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Speaker 19: had a a quick meeting with him in South Korea

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Speaker 19: at Apex. And also you've got the top Todd McClay,

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Speaker 19: the Trade Minister. Winston Peters was in China just last month,

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Speaker 19: so there's been a lot of attention paid by New

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Speaker 19: Zealand to China. But the one exception here is Judith Collins,

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Speaker 19: the Defense Minister, who's taken a very hawkish positioning, and

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Speaker 19: she was up in Washington and mid Octobia and you

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Speaker 19: have to wonder whether she talked about what New Zealand

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Speaker 19: was going to do with the Taiwand Strait with her

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Speaker 19: counterpart Pete Hexseth. So you know there are some differences

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Speaker 19: obviously in the cabinet and there's a more hawkish side

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Speaker 19: and there's a more i think trade focused side.

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Speaker 2: Well that's hope. Everyone can call their jets. Jeffrey Miller,

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Speaker 2: geopolitical analyst. It is their team after five Bridge. By

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Speaker 2: the way, we'll talk to Nichola Willis after five tonight

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Speaker 2: because they reckon this is Todd McClay and Luxon reckon

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Speaker 2: that they will hopefully have some kind of deal outline

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Speaker 2: of a deal with India trade deal by Christmas. Now

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Speaker 2: the question is whether that involves Derry and that's obviously

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Speaker 2: the you know, that's the the thing we want more

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Speaker 2: than anything. Does it include dry or not? When asked

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Speaker 2: Nichola Will it's about that after sixth this evening. Now

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Speaker 2: I promised you this audio from Chris Hipkins, and now

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Speaker 2: we have it. So he's just done a stand up.

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Speaker 2: This is about the whole cost of situation, and Costa

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Speaker 2: saying I told Hipkins in the back of a Crown limo,

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Speaker 2: you know, a couple of years ago about the mix

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Speaker 2: skimming affair situation. I'm hearing this for the first time too.

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Speaker 2: This is Hipkins response.

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Speaker 12: I spent some time over the weekend just reflecting on

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Speaker 12: all of the conversations that I had with Andrew Costa

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Speaker 12: during the time that I was Minister of Police, and

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Speaker 12: I can recall no conversations in which this came up,

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Speaker 12: certainly not on the road trip that we did across

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Speaker 12: the country, nor at any other time. So I don't

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Speaker 12: know what he's referring to there, but he clearly never

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Speaker 12: provided me with any briefing on the allegations surrounding jevn

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Speaker 12: Mick skimming.

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Speaker 2: Wait, so I get a little bit suspicious when they

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Speaker 2: say I can't recall, because it gives you an out.

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Speaker 2: You can say, you know when someone comes with an

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Speaker 2: audio tape and says, actually, here's the audio me telling

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Speaker 2: you that, and you can say, oh, well, now I

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Speaker 2: recall it because you're playing it to me, but I

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Speaker 2: didn't recall it at the time. Just say it never happened.

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Speaker 2: It never happened. You would know this is his two

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Speaker 2: ic and he's saying, my two ic had an affair

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Speaker 2: with a young woman who was employed by police. You'd

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Speaker 2: remember that, wouldn't you surely? Five fourteen News Talks a

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Speaker 2: b You know how most companies at this time of

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Speaker 2: year put out a message to wish their customers a

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Speaker 2: merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Well there's one

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Speaker 2: company that's taking that end of your message to a

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Speaker 2: whole new level carpet mill. This Christmas. They're gifting two

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Speaker 2: Lucky Kiwi's brand new flooring throughout their entire homes. I know,

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Speaker 2: great price. We're talking up to ten thousand dollars worth

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Speaker 2: works and Getting yourself in the running is incredibly simple.

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Speaker 2: Just book of free, no obligation, measuring quote before December fifteenth,

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you want your new flooring in two

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Speaker 2: months or two years. You're still in to win one

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Speaker 2: of two ten thousand dollars prizes towards your flooring draw.

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Speaker 2: Winners will be announced before Christmas, so it could be

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Speaker 2: a double celebration for you this year. Carpet Mill has

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Speaker 2: been crafting quality carpets right here in New Zealand for

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Speaker 2: decades and they're a consumer trusted brand, So take a

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Speaker 2: look and get yourself in that draw. Head to carpetmil

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Speaker 2: dot co dot nz. Ryan Bridge, you're on news Talk

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Speaker 2: sebb Wellington is getting ready to ditch the snapper cards.

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Speaker 2: This is to get on your public transport on your

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Speaker 2: buses instead, you'll just need to tap and go with

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Speaker 2: your debit card or maybe your phone. It comes after

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Speaker 2: the rollout of the separate national ticketing solution that's been

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Speaker 2: delayed again sixteen years after first getting sign off. Do

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Speaker 2: you believe that? Of course you do. It's only just

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Speaker 2: reached christ Church and the Capitol is just sick of

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Speaker 2: waiting apparently. Darren Ponter is chair of Greater Wellington Regional

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Speaker 2: Council with me tonight, Darren good evening, Good evening, what's

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Speaker 2: wrong with Snapper?

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Speaker 23: There's nothing wrong with Snapper immediately, but it is now

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Speaker 23: because we have been waiting so long, it is now

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Speaker 23: end of life. It is now a product that is

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Speaker 23: soon not to be supported by the vendor, which means

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Speaker 23: that if it falls over, we don't have any basis

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Speaker 23: to collect fares.

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Speaker 5: That puts us at extreme risk.

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Speaker 23: And is this credit debit card system is basically an

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Speaker 23: insurance policy for us?

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Speaker 2: Now, why isn't the main policy? Why can't you just

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Speaker 2: use a credit debit card, tap and go thing? Anyway?

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Speaker 23: Well, we probably would have, but as you said, it

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Speaker 23: started sixteen years ago this conversation. And I suppose you

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Speaker 23: know the flip side to this is I am certainly

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Speaker 23: sick of telling Wellingtonians that they can't have what Auckland

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Speaker 23: has and what they can get when they get off

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Speaker 23: the plane in Brisbane, Melbourne or Sydney.

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Speaker 5: It has just got ridiculous and.

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Speaker 23: So we have made the call to lay out a

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Speaker 23: bit of money ourselves and get this system in place

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Speaker 23: in Willington by the thirtieth of March this year.

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Speaker 2: Does it cost to enable it to tap? You have

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Speaker 2: credit card, you debit cards, So.

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Speaker 5: That's that's going to cost us.

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Speaker 23: Five point five million dollars is a one off a

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Speaker 23: little bit as a as a one payment and for

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Speaker 23: the for the initial period that will have it. Remember,

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Speaker 23: the next ticketing system will hopefully still roll in in

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Speaker 23: about two years time. It will have some of the

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Speaker 23: technology that we are already going to deploy in advance.

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Speaker 2: Why why do we need a national ticketing system? If

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Speaker 2: you know everyone, well, most people have got a credit card,

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Speaker 2: a debit card or a phone that they can tap

889
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Speaker 2: and go with yep.

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Speaker 23: And and quite a lot don't and quite a lot

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Speaker 23: never never will have children, people with concession passes, community

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Speaker 23: services cards, et cetera. But even then, even if you've

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Speaker 23: got a credit card, you need some sophistication in the

894
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Speaker 23: back end to be able to tell the credit card, oh,

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Speaker 23: that person is a half fair, or that person is

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Speaker 23: a full fair, or that person gets a particular type

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Speaker 23: of discard, et cetera. And that's all about the back end.

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Speaker 2: What proportion of bus users or public transport users in

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Speaker 2: Wellington use cash at the moment, A very.

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Speaker 5: Small number about three percent.

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Speaker 23: I think the last time I looked, certainly on some

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Speaker 23: services we've taken cash off all together and now so

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Speaker 23: on our express services into the city, you can only

904
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Speaker 23: use the Snapper card at this stage.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, do you think we'll have this national ticketing

906
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Speaker 2: system up in place before you guys all get fired?

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Speaker 5: I'm not betting on it. I've been asking every now

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Speaker 5: and then.

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Speaker 23: I asked how long away is the next ticketing I'm

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Speaker 23: always told in irrespective of when it was, it's two

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Speaker 23: years away. So ask me that again in a year's time,

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Speaker 23: and the yards it will probably still be two years away.

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Speaker 2: And it may not be you. I'm asking, Darren, Thank you,

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Speaker 2: dak Darren Fonta chair of Greater Wellington Regional Council. Now

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Speaker 2: you know the ACC workers who are up in arms?

916
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Speaker 2: Well are they up and arms? Is at the union?

917
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Speaker 2: The union's upset that they are having to go to

918
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Speaker 2: work for more than two days a week. I know

919
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Speaker 2: it's outrageous. They've basically flipped the work week weekend thing

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Speaker 2: on its head, so you have five days at home

921
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Speaker 2: and two days at work and the ACC came out

922
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Speaker 2: and told staff we want you to be in the

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Speaker 2: office This is just awful what they've done three days

924
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Speaker 2: a week rather than two. Now at PSA not happy.

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Speaker 2: The PSA has now come out and done an extraordinary thing,

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Speaker 2: a stupid thing, I think. And they have gone to

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Speaker 2: the Commerce Commission and complained that this is a breach

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Speaker 2: of the Fear Trading Act because ACC advertised jobs from

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Speaker 2: June twenty three until July twenty five that explicitly promoted

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Speaker 2: working from home as a key benefit to working at ACC. Now, okay,

931
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Speaker 2: maybe you can mount an argument, except when you read

932
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Speaker 2: and this is from the PSA itself, even they say

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Speaker 2: they explicitly promoted working from home up to three days

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Speaker 2: a week. So to the PSA and to Flur Simons,

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Speaker 2: who runs the person read the t's and c's.

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Speaker 3: The name you trust to get the answers you need.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on either duplicy Ellen Drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand coverage like no one else.

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Speaker 2: News Talks V five twenty six. Look, this is not

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Speaker 2: the biggest issue in the world and exactly zero of us.

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Speaker 2: We'll be talking about this over the Christmas barbecues this summer.

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Speaker 2: Costa and the he said, he said story. But it

943
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Speaker 2: is a bit titillating, isn't it. And as I said

944
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Speaker 2: about this from the beginning, it's basically a game of trust,

945
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Speaker 2: and many people felt Costa was an unreliable witness during

946
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Speaker 2: COVID the Jacinda years, just a vibe you got when

947
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Speaker 2: you'd ask him questions during interviews, and the fact that

948
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Speaker 2: he now claims to be briefing ministers in the back

949
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Speaker 2: of Crown limos without writing anything down is especially about

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Speaker 2: his two ic having affairs with young women. Well, that

951
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Speaker 2: just ran the feeling for me personally. But what he

952
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Speaker 2: should have done, if he'd been really clever about this,

953
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Speaker 2: he's mister trick. Was not accused two MPs from different

954
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Speaker 2: parties of the same crime. What he should have done

955
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Speaker 2: was just initially accused one of them of lying. Just accused,

956
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Speaker 2: say Hipkins, and then everyone on the right would have

957
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Speaker 2: gone after Hipkins, given Costas and Street cred, but of Manna,

958
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Speaker 2: instead accusing both Hipkins and Mitchell. They both know they

959
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Speaker 2: need to rip him apart. Now he's got zero friends

960
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Speaker 2: and zero receipts. So the story is going nowhere quickly,

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Speaker 2: certainly not to your summer barbecue chat, Ryan Bridge, your

962
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Speaker 2: news Talk CB. And yet it does here's Hipkins a

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Speaker 2: little more from his stand up a few minutes ago.

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Speaker 12: I absolutely reject the claims that Andrew Costa is making

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Speaker 12: my press secretary at the time was in the car

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Speaker 12: with me. She also has no recollection of any such

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Speaker 12: conversation taking place. Those of you in the media will

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Speaker 12: know that people in those sorts of roles have a

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Speaker 12: fairly attuned heir to that sort of conversation, and she

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Speaker 12: has also has no recollection of any conversation and that

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Speaker 12: of that reckon of that nature taking place.

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Speaker 2: Hmm, okay, interesting, we have a we have a witness.

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Speaker 2: We have a witness in this case, do we have

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Speaker 2: time to tell people what he thinks about the summer break?

975
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Speaker 2: So what do you think about the summer break being

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Speaker 2: too long and it hurting business?

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Speaker 12: I think all New Zealanders are entitled to a break,

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Speaker 12: and to some extent, it actually makes sense for people

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Speaker 12: to all take a break at the same time, because

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Speaker 12: it means that you know, businesses know what to expect,

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Speaker 12: they can plan for that everyone gets a break and

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Speaker 12: then we could all come back and get back get

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Speaker 12: stuck into it, refreshed.

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Speaker 2: I think the problem is not that we take a

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Speaker 2: break when we come back. We just muck this around

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Speaker 2: at work, don't we. We don't do anything. Twenty eight

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Speaker 2: after five Nichola Willis here after six News talk ZB.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

989
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Speaker 1: your car on your drive home it's Ryan Bridge on

990
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Speaker 1: either duplicy Ellen drive with one new you see one

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Speaker 1: tenth of power of satellite mobile newstalks there be.

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Speaker 18: I can wait to sand those faces.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four away from Sexier on news Talks, they'll be

994
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Speaker 2: Nicola Willis after sex will get to the panel shortly.

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Speaker 2: Josie Bucganni Lamb here with us tonight. Over in Australia,

996
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Speaker 2: they had this like we had with petrol. Member to

997
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Speaker 2: Cindra doing broad in that thing and said you will

998
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Speaker 2: get discounted petrol because the cost of living is so bad.

999
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Speaker 2: The Australians did that with electricity and now they have

1000
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Speaker 2: just ripped it out from underneath Australian household. So they're

1001
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Speaker 2: going to be paying more for their electricity. And they're saying,

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Speaker 2: and look, no free lunch can last forever, I suppose,

1003
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Speaker 2: but they're saying that because the cost of living has

1004
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Speaker 2: come down, you know, inflation has come down from way

1005
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Speaker 2: high to they're now three four percent over in Australia,

1006
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Speaker 2: then that means that justified. But the cost of electricity

1007
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Speaker 2: itself hasn't come down, whereas petrol was fluctuating, and petrol

1008
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Speaker 2: came down because after the Ukraine thing happened. So there'll

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Speaker 2: be in a bit of a tight spot politically. I

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Speaker 2: would have thought doing that never a popular thing to

1011
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Speaker 2: take away freebe is it? Twenty three away from six

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Speaker 2: Rich Children's Commissioner is launching a campaign against child homicides.

1013
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Speaker 2: The Commissioner has written a letter directly to the country's

1014
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Speaker 2: one point two to three million children and asking adults

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Speaker 2: to sign it. Doctor Claire Uchmand is the Children's Commissioner

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Speaker 2: and joins me, Now, good evening, Good to have you

1017
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Speaker 2: on the show. So was the what's driving this? And

1018
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Speaker 2: particularly at this time of year? Is this a bad

1019
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: time of year for child abuse and child homicide?

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Speaker 24: Today I've launched a new nationwide campaign that's called Dear Children,

1021
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Speaker 24: and it is a message to all children in our

1022
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Speaker 24: country that they have a right to be safe. And

1023
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Speaker 24: I'm calling on all adults in New Zealand to actually

1024
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Speaker 24: protect that right for children and to do that fiercely

1025
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Speaker 24: because the reality is that not all children are growing

1026
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Speaker 24: up safe in our country. Often very young, they are

1027
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Speaker 24: dying by homicide in our country. It shouldn't be this way,

1028
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Speaker 24: and we shouldn't let it happen anymore. In fact, we

1029
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Speaker 24: want is the message that I'm sending through this campaign.

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Speaker 24: And in terms of the timing, Ryan, you asked about

1031
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Speaker 24: why now that's intentional. Last year, over the Christmas and

1032
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Speaker 24: New Year period, two children were killed by homicide, and

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Speaker 24: we have seen throughout the year more children die in

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Speaker 24: this way. We know that this time of year, coming

1035
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Speaker 24: up to Christmas and across the New Year and holidays

1036
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Speaker 24: can be a really stressful time, and so I'm reminding

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Speaker 24: all people in New Zealand to do more to look

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Speaker 24: out for children in their communities.

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Speaker 2: Claire, who are you talking to specifically? Because you know

1040
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Speaker 2: parents who abuse, you know, violently abuse their children and

1041
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Speaker 2: who kill their children. I don't imagine we'll be reading

1042
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Speaker 2: a letter from the Children's Commissioner. Is this to the

1043
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: neighbors who are listening to abuse?

1044
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Speaker 24: Well, actually this message is for all adults in New

1045
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Speaker 24: Zealand because we need a national conversation about this difficult truth,

1046
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Speaker 24: which is that not all children are growing up safe

1047
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Speaker 24: in our country, and we need a national commitment, and

1048
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Speaker 24: that starts with change at the grassroots level. Flex roots

1049
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Speaker 24: in our communities, as you say, for neighbors, family members,

1050
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Speaker 24: community members, to look out for children, to be alongside

1051
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Speaker 24: families and far no, especially when they're facing stress, to

1052
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Speaker 24: actually make it okay and normal, to create for help.

1053
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Speaker 14: For help.

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Speaker 2: I don' think anyone's going to disagree with you. It's

1055
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Speaker 2: awful our reputation and our statistics. But we've had this

1056
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Speaker 2: conversation so many times and nothing seems to change.

1057
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Speaker 24: Well, we have attempted to have this conversation in the past, Ryan,

1058
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Speaker 24: But what I have noticed in my work as Children's

1059
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Speaker 24: Commissioner when I meet communities around the country and when

1060
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Speaker 24: I share with them, for example, the reality that on

1061
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Speaker 24: average is three four to five weeks, one child in

1062
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Speaker 24: our country is killed on average by homicide, and that

1063
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Speaker 24: over the past decade, one hundred and thirteen children have

1064
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Speaker 24: been killed by homicide. When I share that reality with

1065
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Speaker 24: people and communities up and down the country, I've noticed

1066
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Speaker 24: that actually they're quite shocked about that. And so that's

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Speaker 24: why this campaign Dear Children is first and foremost about

1068
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Speaker 24: bringing awareness to this problem because collectively we first of

1069
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Speaker 24: all need to understand it is a problem, and then

1070
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Speaker 24: I hope we can really work together on that wikle

1071
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Speaker 24: of change to prevent.

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Speaker 7: This from hem.

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Speaker 2: What is your message, Not that they will be listening

1074
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Speaker 2: to this, but to any parent right now who's violently

1075
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Speaker 2: abusing their child, what do you want to say to them?

1076
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Speaker 24: My message to all adults in New Zealand is that

1077
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Speaker 24: all children have a right to be safe, that children

1078
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Speaker 24: should be safe and protected in all circumstances.

1079
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Speaker 2: If you're sorry, interrupted, if.

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Speaker 24: You're facing stress right now, is a parent and thinking

1081
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Speaker 24: that you are going to tune to violence, there is

1082
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Speaker 24: another way. I encourage you to reach out for help

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Speaker 24: because help is there and we must get more okay

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Speaker 24: with asking for help and with offering help.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think some people listening might be wondering why

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Speaker 2: you're addressing it to all parents. You know, is there

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Speaker 2: something wrong with saying to a parent who's using their

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Speaker 2: child stop it?

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Speaker 24: I really absolutely not. We need to be alongside all

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Speaker 24: parents to and including parents who are struggling, to offer

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Speaker 24: that help and support. But also we need a whole

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Speaker 24: of society culture change around this issue. So that's why

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Speaker 24: I'm putting this message out to all New Zealand adults,

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Speaker 24: because if we are serious about making a real change

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Speaker 24: on becoming a country where every child is growing up safe,

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Speaker 24: then that is going to take each and every one

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Speaker 24: of us. This is preventable and we can all play

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Speaker 24: our parts. So I encourage all people to go to

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Speaker 24: the dedicated campaign website bere children dot co dot nz,

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Speaker 24: show their support by signing this letter with me and

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Speaker 24: be part of this change together.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Claire Akmand, who's the Children's Commission, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Tonight eighteen to six the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, a name you

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Speaker 2: Josie beganing with us Tonight's CEO, Child Fund Josie good evening.

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Speaker 2: Hello and Liam here, lawyer and political commentator. Good evening

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00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: to you, Good even thoughts Josie on what we just

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Speaker 2: heard from Clear, Well, I mean I.

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Speaker 25: Work for an organization that works with children that when

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Speaker 25: we're called ChildFund, and we work in some of the

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Speaker 25: worst places where you know, kids are getting married at

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Speaker 25: fifteen or even younger. Sometimes there's all sorts of issues

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Speaker 25: around child looking after children. So I listen to this

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Speaker 25: and I go, look, the challenge is always I know

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Speaker 25: this from my own work. You've got to be clear

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Speaker 25: about what are the intervents that are effective. And I

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Speaker 25: worry that. I mean, the statistics are awful, and you

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00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 25: said that, Ryan, but I worry that something like a

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Speaker 25: campaign to stop child homicide is so vague and so

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Speaker 25: you know, it's something that everybody would agree with except

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Speaker 25: the people who are killing children. That you don't actually

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Speaker 25: am not clear what the intervention is. And unless you're

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Speaker 25: clear about it, then you can't.

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Speaker 7: Really have a dialogue or a debate about it.

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Speaker 25: So I mean to give you an example. If you

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Speaker 25: have a thing saying I commit to all children in

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Speaker 25: the world thriving and being and living nonviolent lives, great,

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Speaker 25: what does that mean If you go, I want to

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Speaker 25: extend paid parental leave because I think that'll make babies

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Speaker 25: safer for parents at home, then some people are going

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Speaker 25: to disagree with that, some people are going to furiously

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Speaker 25: agree with it, and you're going to have a debate

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Speaker 25: about whether this will make a difference. So unless you

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Speaker 25: can be specific about the intervention, you just end up

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Speaker 25: switching people off and as you said, Ryan, the people

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Speaker 25: are going out killing their childildren are not going to

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Speaker 25: be turned around by a campaign against child homicide.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Leam, I suppose it's part is it just sort

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Speaker 2: of part of the job that you have, the Children's Commission,

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Speaker 2: and this is the kind of stuff you do.

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Speaker 7: Well, maybe that that means the job maybe shouldn't exist,

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Speaker 7: But I mean I was just so frustrated, just serious

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Speaker 7: to hear that so like that it was to talk

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Speaker 7: about child's from side in a way that drained it

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Speaker 7: of all moral meaning.

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Speaker 26: That's what the views like, you know, it just it's

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Speaker 26: just to not even sum.

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Speaker 7: Up the you know, to the indignation to just denounce

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Speaker 7: those who hurt children to talk about it along like

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Speaker 7: a four year old doesn't need up in a coffee

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Speaker 7: a coffin because of any structural disadvantage, right, I mean

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Speaker 7: there there there's poverty all around the world and countries

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Speaker 7: have much worse poverty and much better child of your

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Speaker 7: statistics than to WeDo. And you know what we stuff

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Speaker 7: from this country is a lack of moral revulsion. And

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Speaker 7: until you actually have that public morality and that strong

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Speaker 7: moral sense, no letter campaign from Wellington is going to

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Speaker 7: make a deep one way or the other was it

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Speaker 7: was infuriating here then.

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Speaker 2: To you, all right, we're going to take a break.

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Speaker 2: I'll come back to you, josih on this. We'll take

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Speaker 2: a quick break. Text machines firing off as well. Back

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Speaker 2: in a second.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realtech, the only

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Speaker 1: truly global brand.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen to six News Talks. There'd be a huddle tonight,

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Speaker 2: Josie Bugani and Liam Here the Children's commissioned a letter

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Speaker 2: on child abuse and child homicide. Ryan, what a waste

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Speaker 2: of time, generalized, non targeted ad campaign, Ryan, Concentrate on

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Speaker 2: the ten percent who are the problem. Don't put us

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Speaker 2: in the same basket.

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Speaker 19: Ryan.

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Speaker 2: This is why commissioners are a waste of time. Josie,

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Speaker 2: you were about sorry I interrupted you for the break,

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Speaker 2: but you were about to reply to.

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Speaker 25: Liam You're allowed to have a break.

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Speaker 3: No, very very quickly.

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Speaker 25: I was just going to say that that I'm uncomfortable

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Speaker 25: about targeting this to dear children or you know, every

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Speaker 25: child in New Zealand. So we do a lot to

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Speaker 25: try and get what they said, you know, the voices

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Speaker 25: of children, to find out what children are going through

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Speaker 25: and so on. But to put the burden on children

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Speaker 25: to solve these kind of problems and to somehow say,

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Speaker 25: you know, we're going to make you know, we're going

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Speaker 25: to tell you about your rights, and you're going to

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Speaker 25: represent yourself and you're going to fight back against this.

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Speaker 25: I mean, what on earth could baby rude to stop

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Speaker 25: being killed? What could those three kids in sansm do

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Speaker 25: to stop being burnt to death by their father allegedly?

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Speaker 27: You know?

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Speaker 25: So, I think it's we tend to do this in

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Speaker 25: child focused organizations all the time. Yes, we have to

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Speaker 25: listen to children, but they are not responsible for solving this.

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Speaker 2: We are good point now, Andrew Costa and the whole

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Speaker 2: he said, he said, thing, Liam, are you are you

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Speaker 2: paying attentions? Toll? Well, I mean, and I know you are,

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Speaker 2: because it's what you do. But do you think most

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Speaker 2: people are paying attention at this point or we tuned out?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 7: I think you know that the people are finding tune

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Speaker 7: it out. I mean, well, people have made their judgment

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Speaker 7: about it already. The political fallout is more complicated than

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Speaker 7: the They're very bad and moral in discussions and the

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Speaker 7: moral problems. But I mean not to be a broken

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Speaker 7: record about it. But again, I just kind of think

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Speaker 7: there's a lack of morality. You know, we're sort of

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Speaker 7: I think we akin to be so sophisticated about people's

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Speaker 7: private lives, right but I mean Chris Supkins and Mark

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Speaker 7: Mark Mitchell, they knew that that mix Skivving was having

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Speaker 7: it had an affair, Okay.

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Speaker 10: Right now.

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Speaker 7: I know that we don't have to be judgmental about

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Speaker 7: people's private lives. But he's got it ord very constable.

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Speaker 7: This is a person who is a deputy commissioner. He

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Speaker 7: he could not uphold his oath to his wife. Why

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Speaker 7: do they think he has integrity to hold senior public office?

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Speaker 7: And I know that sounds very retrogame.

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Speaker 26: I think actually were and it sounds really.

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Speaker 14: Really harsh, I know, but we need to normalize I.

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Speaker 7: Think being judgmental about adultery because if you were, if

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Speaker 7: you if you lack integrity and those things, why would

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Speaker 7: we assume you have intiquity to other things?

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Speaker 2: I think there is something about a judge of character,

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Speaker 2: isn't there, Like if you're going to appoint someone for

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Speaker 2: a role, there is a judge a character thing, is there?

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Speaker 25: Josie, Yeah, as a much worse Catholic than Liam. I'm

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Speaker 25: immediately feeling guilty and I'm not quite sure why, but yeah,

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Speaker 25: I know what you're saying, Liam, But I actually think

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Speaker 25: Andrew cost has made it far worse because what he's

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Speaker 25: done now is present two competing narratives about the salacious story.

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Speaker 25: So the first is that, oh, yes, complaints weren't acted

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Speaker 25: on properly. It was negligence from my part. It wasn't intentional.

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Speaker 25: I didn't have all the information. We didn't take it

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Speaker 25: seriously enough. Then he says, as of the interview at

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Speaker 25: Q and A that actually he did take it seriously

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Speaker 25: enough to escalate it to ministers at the time. And

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Speaker 25: so then you go, well, hold on a minute. Obviously

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Speaker 25: you did think this was serious. That makes it more

1241
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Speaker 25: sinister that you didn't act.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And also you're briefing people in the back

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Speaker 2: of Crown limos with no notes. That's not great. Hey, finally,

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Speaker 2: office Christmas parties. We've got one here at ends in me,

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Speaker 2: but he's sort of half an interested in it. I

1246
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: think I don't know how much we're spending on it,

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Speaker 2: but apparently the days of the lavish, boozy ones are over.

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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised to hear this, are you Liam.

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Speaker 26: Well, no, not really, but that's not how I can't

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Speaker 26: my own business.

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Speaker 7: I mean we're small, we only have twenty one people.

1252
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Speaker 7: But just got the bill for OW on a Saturday

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Speaker 7: and it was you know, maybe cry a little bit,

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Speaker 7: but our people work really, really hard, you know, they

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Speaker 7: really hard the same year. And I do think actually

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Speaker 7: is as a good employer, I think you have got

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Speaker 7: your the patient to sort of reward people for the

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Speaker 7: hard work they've done in the year. At the blast

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Speaker 7: for the scene was count the pennies?

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Speaker 2: What was the bill?

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Speaker 7: That's commercially afraid.

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Speaker 2: Josie because normally, laugh, I've been to ones where they

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Speaker 2: give you one or two tokens for drinks stuff like that,

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Speaker 2: so boring.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, we did something incredibly family friendly and homely and

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01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 25: sort of you know, Ned Flanders Simpsons. We made our

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01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 25: own homemade pasta at a pasta place. But the thing

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Speaker 25: that I would like to get rid of entirely is

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Speaker 25: in the Secret Center stuff because everyone gets they don't want.

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Speaker 25: And actually that actually reminded me that someone in the

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Speaker 25: Secret Centers has got Grant Robertson's.

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Speaker 14: Book at our work do and it.

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Speaker 25: Reminds me of the difference between Rudolph's Knows and Grant's book.

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Speaker 25: One of them will be read this Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very good, very good, very good. Joseph, Acgarney

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Speaker 2: and Liam here on the huddle tonight. It is seven

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Speaker 2: minutes away from six. I've got a Yeah, we've got

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Speaker 2: a secret sand of thing that we do in one

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Speaker 2: of our families Christmases. And it's sort of like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they do they read the book that you give them,

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Speaker 2: Like are they that interested? One of them is a

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Speaker 2: former pilot and my partner's drawn this person's name and

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01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 2: he's going to get, you know, like a book to

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Speaker 2: do with planes. And I see he's probably got a

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01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 2: thousand plane books sitting at home. Does he really Is

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Speaker 2: he really going to read another one?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: Now I've given away who anyway, I've just ruined Secret

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Speaker 2: Center seven to six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio, powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Four to six News Talk zib Ryan. Doctors and nurses

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01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 2: and hospitals work super hard and they have no Christmas parties,

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Speaker 2: So get some perspective. Gosh, okay, all right, settle down.

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Speaker 2: What happens is we will go to our Christmas parties,

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Speaker 2: write ourselves off, and get ourselves in such a state

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Speaker 2: that the hospitals need to deal with us.

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Speaker 9: Which is why, Ryan, because Boggley knows that you and

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Speaker 9: me are the real problems there. So they've scheduled the

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Speaker 9: Christmas party to happen during our shift and preparing for

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Speaker 9: our show. So master struck from company management here.

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Speaker 2: That always happens to probably always it does. It always

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Speaker 2: happen to you as well. Every year I missed the

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Speaker 2: Christmas party for that reason or a reason like that.

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Speaker 13: They know what they're doing our busses.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just sort of take a hint. Someone else says, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: just give me the cash. This is secret Santa, just

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Speaker 2: give me the cash. By this time of year, you're

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Speaker 2: the last people I want to spend any more time with.

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Speaker 2: I hope you don't say that to your kids. You

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Speaker 2: know they don't want to. It's you might think it,

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Speaker 2: but don't say it. Right, it is coming up to seven,

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Speaker 2: you're on news talks, b try and be happy. It's

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Speaker 2: Christmas and Nichola Willis is here. There's a new poll

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Speaker 2: coming out in a couple of minutes. We'll have results

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Speaker 2: and reaction from the Finance minister. All aheads us talk

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Speaker 2: se B.

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Speaker 18: I want a wis Christmas done?

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Speaker 1: We're business meets inside the Business hour with breach and

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Speaker 1: mass motor vehicle insurance. Your futures in good hands, news talks,

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Speaker 1: there be good evening.

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Speaker 2: It's Monday. Great to have your company coming up. Before

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Speaker 2: seven we'll get to the UK. We'll talk about the

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Speaker 2: gondolas coming to Queenstown. Potentially they're a step closer. And

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Speaker 2: Shane Solly has your market right now. This poll from

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Speaker 2: TV and Z the Aryan Pole is all the reason

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Speaker 2: you need to know as to why you don't roll

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Speaker 2: the leader of your party, why Luckxeon's should still have

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Speaker 2: the job. National is up to on thirty six percent,

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Speaker 2: Labour is on thirty five. They're up three, act Is

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Speaker 2: on ten, up two, New Zealand first on nine steady,

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Speaker 2: the Greens down four on seven percent, Party Marti on one,

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Speaker 2: down two. So you've got National, Act and New Zealand

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Speaker 2: First day can govern together. Preferred Prime minister stakes Well,

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Speaker 2: Luxeon's actually up to on twenty three. Chris Ppkins is

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Speaker 2: up three, but he's on twenty one, so Luxon's still

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Speaker 2: out ahead. Chris Bishop registered for the first time at

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Speaker 2: two percent. Now you don't roll a leader when the

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Speaker 2: main contender is on two do you now? The interesting

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Speaker 2: thing about this poll, as previous said Sean, is that

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Speaker 2: in order for even if you don't trust Winston, you

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Speaker 2: think Winston will go with Labor, still only get to

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Speaker 2: fifty four seats, don't have enough to govern, so that

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Speaker 2: would require Winston having to go with Labor and the

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Speaker 2: Greens and potentially to Party Mardi, which I think is

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Speaker 2: a step too far. Nikola Willis is the Finance Minister,

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Speaker 2: joins us live good evening, Good evening, Ran you're happy

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Speaker 2: with those results.

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Speaker 28: Well, as we always say, polls go up and down,

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Speaker 28: and we're focused on doing the things to make sure

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Speaker 28: New Zealanders are better off. They can get ahead and

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Speaker 28: they've got strong public services and that's positive to see

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Speaker 28: that most New Zealanders, if they had the chance to

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Speaker 28: vote tomorrow, would re elect our current government.

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Speaker 2: So long as Winston goes with you.

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Speaker 28: Well, he is currently part of the government.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like you've made the right decision in

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Speaker 2: sticking with the Boss.

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Speaker 28: There was never a question about that.

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Speaker 2: Hey Costa So formerly obviously boss of Social Investment Agency.

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Speaker 2: What did you make of his interview over the weekend.

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Speaker 28: Ah, I'm not going to get into commenting on an

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Speaker 28: interview that was commenting on people's comments on a report

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Speaker 28: that was published. The clear thing is that the Independent

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Speaker 28: Police Complaints Authority found very clear failings at police under

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Speaker 28: mister Costa's leadership. He's reflected on that and I think

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Speaker 28: made the right decision to resign from his role as

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Speaker 28: the chief executive of the Public Social Investment Agency. And

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Speaker 28: as far as I'm concerned, that's the line that we

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Speaker 28: need to draw moving ahead. What's really important is that

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Speaker 28: police make the changes needed to ensure that if any

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Speaker 28: other young woman presents in the way that the woman

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Speaker 28: at the center of this complaint did, that she gets

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Speaker 28: treated a whole lot better.

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Speaker 2: The problem for you, though, Minister, is you recommended him

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Speaker 2: for this job.

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Speaker 3: Can you question?

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Speaker 28: So that is not a problem for me, Ryan, because

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Speaker 28: in fact, mister Costa was appointed on the twenty fourth

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Speaker 28: of September in twenty twenty four and the complaints about

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Speaker 28: Deputy Commissioner mc skimming we're not made until the tenth

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Speaker 28: of Octo. They were not referred to the until after

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Speaker 28: mister Costa's appointment had been But.

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Speaker 2: When did he start the job? Not until after you

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Speaker 2: were told?

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Speaker 28: Well, actually I was not told about the ins and

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Speaker 28: the outs of what mister Costa had or hadn't done.

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Speaker 28: In fact, what the IPCA were investigating was the way

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Speaker 28: that complaints about mix skimming were handled, and it was

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Speaker 28: appropriate that a full investigation take place before people leapt

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Speaker 28: to conclusions about what that investigation would say. Then a

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Speaker 28: report was published, the government acted swiftly to respond to

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Speaker 28: those conclusions. We've accepted all of its conclusions and mister

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Speaker 28: Costa has now resigned.

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Speaker 2: What's the public mean to think? I mean, you've got

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Speaker 2: a guy that you appointed for a job now saying

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Speaker 2: that one of your colleagues, Mark Mitchell, a minister, is

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Speaker 2: basically a liar. Who do we believe?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 28: I believe Mark Mitchell. So cost is lying, well, I

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Speaker 28: believe Mark Mitchell when he says that he was not

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Speaker 28: briefed are at the time.

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Speaker 2: Which means just say that you think cost is lying.

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Speaker 28: Well, I'm not going to get into a who said what,

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Speaker 28: except to say that I believe mister Mitchell.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I think that's clear enough. Hey, this

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Speaker 2: tax posonion campaign that they're going to launch apparently on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Are you worried about Do you know who's funding it?

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Speaker 2: Have you found that out?

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Speaker 28: No, I'm not worried about it. Look, democracy is people

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Speaker 28: have debates about the different ways of addressing issues. Clearly

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Speaker 28: Ruth Richardson wants a repeat of the Mother of All budgets. Well,

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Speaker 28: I'm not going to do that, and I make no

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Speaker 28: apologies for taking an approach which means that we are

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Speaker 28: getting the books back in balance, we are ensuring that

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Speaker 28: there's less extravagant spending by government. We are ensuring that

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Speaker 28: we'll get our debt down over time. That's the right

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Speaker 28: thing to do, but it's also the right thing to

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Speaker 28: do to keep delivering New Zealanders quality education services, quality

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Speaker 28: health services, more police on the front line, to ensure

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Speaker 28: that there is a social safety net. Now, Ruth Richardson

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Speaker 28: may want a slash and burn exercise, I don't. She's

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Speaker 28: absolutely welcome to campaign against this government's approach, but I

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Speaker 28: stand by it.

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Speaker 2: So you're not going to push the surpace out again?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean you have to hay for? You're

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Speaker 2: not going to push the surpace out again?

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Speaker 28: Well, I'm going to stick to the undertakings which our

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Speaker 28: government has made about retaining fiscal discipline, and I will

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Speaker 28: be publishing updated forecasts on what the books will look

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Speaker 28: like next week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but hang on that. You have said that twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty nine will be the ober gallex surplus. That'll be small,

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Speaker 2: but we'll get there. Are we not going to get there?

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Speaker 14: Well?

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Speaker 28: What I have said is that that's what the forecasts

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Speaker 28: showed at the last budget update, and I will share

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Speaker 28: the next forecast next week. And despite you being a

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Speaker 28: very good interviewer, Ryan, I'm not going to reveal what

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Speaker 28: the forecasts say a week early, just as I'm on

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Speaker 28: news talk z.

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Speaker 2: Beata, let's forget the forecasts. Do you stick by your

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Speaker 2: promise to get us back to surplus by twenty twenty nine?

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Speaker 28: In terms of our fiscal strategy, we retain the intention

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Speaker 28: to return to surplus, and what the forecasts will show

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Speaker 28: I will share next week.

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Speaker 2: So your commitment stands.

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Speaker 28: We are committed to returning the books to surplus, and

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Speaker 28: I will be sharing the forecast about what the books

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Speaker 28: will look like.

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Speaker 2: You know, I forget about yeah, no, no, forget about

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Speaker 2: the books. I'm asking you as a politician on the

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Speaker 2: promise you've made to return to surplus by twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: Is it happening or not?

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Speaker 28: Well, Actually, what I have had is a fiscal intention

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Speaker 28: which is part of our fiscal strategy, which has been

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Speaker 28: to return.

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Speaker 13: Not a promiseless.

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Speaker 3: We have always what is as intention.

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Speaker 28: Well, under the Public Finance Act, we need to set

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Speaker 28: out fiscal intentions about how we wish to manage the

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Speaker 28: public finances, and I've set an intention by which we

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Speaker 28: intend to reach surplus. You'll note that at the last

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Speaker 28: half year update we head downward revisions in the forecasts,

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Speaker 28: and at that point we also revised the ober gall

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Speaker 28: X measure. And we have intended always to keep to

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Speaker 28: our operating allowances, which are the discretionary spending choices. And

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Speaker 28: in fact, and this year's budget, we reduced our operating allowances.

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Speaker 28: But you can, in order to provide fiscal discip.

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Speaker 2: Books will say what the book, the forecast will say,

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Speaker 2: what the forecast will say. If you want to get

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Speaker 2: to surplus, you can get to surplus, you just cut more.

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01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 2: Are you going to do it or not?

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Speaker 28: I do not intend to cut my operating allowances further

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Speaker 28: than that which we published at the budget, so we.

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Speaker 2: Are at risk of delaying surplace.

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Speaker 28: Again, that is always the case that forecasts move up

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Speaker 28: and down, and that has an effect on when surplus

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01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 28: is posted or not. In fact, on average, in fifty

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Speaker 28: percent of cases, it's up to seven billion dollars out.

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Speaker 28: I will be publishing the forecasts transparently and openly next week,

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Speaker 28: and I will share those with New Zealanders at that point,

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Speaker 28: and I make this commitment to everyone listening. We will

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Speaker 28: be sticking to disciplined government spending. We will be retaining

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Speaker 28: our intention to get the books back to surplus, to

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Speaker 28: get debt leveling of spending the proportion of the economy reduces.

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Speaker 28: I will set that out very.

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Speaker 2: Lukes, is your sounding and slippery is a turn in

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Speaker 2: the spring rain?

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Speaker 28: Well, here's why. Because I announced these budgets sensitive market

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Speaker 28: sensitive pieces of data next week. There's a full lock

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Speaker 28: up at that point. If I ribble out some of

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01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 28: that information today in an undisciplined way, that is not

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01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 28: good for the market, that's not good for anyone. And

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Speaker 28: I will be sharing that information in full with all

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Speaker 28: New Zealanders next week. And when you interview me about

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Speaker 28: that next week, I will answer every single question in detail.

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Speaker 28: But what I'm not going to do is release the

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Speaker 28: details of that heartier update today.

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Speaker 2: Nikola, Well, I appreciate your time tonight, Finance Minister. It

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Speaker 2: is quarter past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duples see Alan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: B, News Talks B. It is eighteen minutes after six.

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Speaker 2: Shane Soli Harbor Esset Management for our market update Shane

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Speaker 2: good evening.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, get it right.

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Speaker 2: This Netflix Warner Brothers deal, obviously it's got regulatory hurdles

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01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 2: to go through, but the impact on our share market here.

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Speaker 29: Yeah. So obviously Friday Night Netflix and thatsal it had

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01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,799
Speaker 29: reached an agreement to acquire Warner Brothers. The deal potential

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Speaker 29: implications for Sky TV investor group here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 29: Sky obviously the exclusive distributor of Warner Brothers product, particularly

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Speaker 29: the HBO content that Warner Brothers producers through its Neon platforms.

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01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 29: So you know the risk is the Netflix acquisition of

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01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 29: HBO says it go more direct by passing Neon. Sky

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01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 29: interesting for Sky that HBO contract still runs out to

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Speaker 29: a twenty twenty seven, so a little way to go

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Speaker 29: investor group. These are. It's a cinema IT provider, and

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01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 29: obviously their customers may see Warner Brothers movies have shorter

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01:16:56,160 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 29: exhibition times at movies and go more to streaming. We

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01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 29: saw both shop prices down on the day, Ryan, Sky

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01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 29: TV shop price down eight percent to three dollars twenty

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01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 29: three versus share price down two point six percent to

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01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 29: two sixty five. Interesting twist, mister President. President Trump has

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01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 29: come out and said he'll be evolved and then of

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01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 29: your Netflix Warner Brothers deal. So we're going to stay

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Speaker 29: tuned for a few more developments.

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01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 2: I thenk Yeah, things are going to get a bit

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01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 2: spicy over there. What are the markets expecting? We've got

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01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 2: the US Fed Thursday? What are markets expecting?

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Speaker 29: Yeah, so the markets are priced in a quarter percent

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01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 29: point two five percent cut from the US Central Bank,

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01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 29: which is known as the FED, and if it comes through,

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01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 29: that would see their benchmark FED funds rate for from

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01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 29: three point nine percent to three sixty five, so quite

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01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 29: a bit higher than ours here and is on the

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01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 29: tone will be key Ryan, You know, is there potential

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01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 29: for walk cups in January or is it a more

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01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 29: measured approach? Markets recently run into this, So if we

1541
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 29: don't get a cup that will be a surprise for markets.

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01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 29: Maybe we get a cautious cut over the weekend. The

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01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 29: potential next FED chair Kevin Hassett said it maybe time

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01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 29: for the Feed to cautiously cut rates over the weekend.

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01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 29: So you know, that's definitely got a bit of a

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01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 29: there is a cut that maybe it's cautious.

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01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 2: Hey, what news we got coming locally this week?

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01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 29: Yeah, Tomorrow we've got the Reserve Bank of Australia cash

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01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 29: or target. You kind of wonder why it's relevant for

1550
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 29: us here. It is a big deal for a lot

1551
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 29: of our exporters and businesses that export into the services

1552
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 29: and goods into Australia. The market is weary of a

1553
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,839
Speaker 29: hawkish tone, I even potentially of a rate hikes. Wednesday,

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01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 29: we've got New Zealand net migration for October, remembering this

1555
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 29: has been quite weak, so if we see some stabilizations important.

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01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 29: We have also got the Helenstein's and Warehouse Group annual

1557
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 29: shareholder meetings on Wednesday, really important litmus test for what's

1558
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 29: happening in the real economy. Tuesday, we've got the third

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01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 29: quarter New Zealand manufacturing data fora and that has been

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01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 29: quite weak. So again, are we seeing a stabilization. We've

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Speaker 29: got Fontier, WIS, PACs AGMS Onday and on Friday we

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01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 29: wrap up within zone business in Z, manufacturing, purchasing manager

1563
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 29: in and card spinning for November. Really so important data

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01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 29: points as to whether the economy is finding a base.

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Speaker 5: What the outlook is a busy week for.

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Speaker 2: Newslaw Indeed, Shane appreciated Shane Sally harmb Brasset Management. It

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01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 2: is a six twenty one A click update. This is

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01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 2: you know, we've been watching the dairy price come down

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01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 2: in the global dairy trade options every second Wednesday you

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01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 2: wake up, well, I mean this is me at the

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01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 2: other end of the day, waking up, coming in and

1572
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 2: checking the numbers and they've been falling for eight consecutive

1573
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 2: auctions now and so's starting to have an effect on

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01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 2: farmer confidence. Rabobank's final, fourth and final for the year.

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01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 2: This is the Confidence Survey. Latest survey says forty percent

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01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 2: of farmers expecting performance of the broader agri economy to

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01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 2: improve in the year ahead. That's down from fifty one

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01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 2: percent in the previous quarter. Number expecting it to get

1579
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 2: worse is up from five percent to twelve percent. Now

1580
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 2: just a caveat. This is not end of days. This

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01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 2: is not the Doom's Day scenario. This is coming off

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01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 2: really high, in fact record high confidence level. So confidence

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01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: is still there. We're just to touch less bullish than

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01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 2: we were before, which is no surprise given where the

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01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 2: price is going. Twenty two after six News Talks MB.

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01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 3: Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on the Business Hour with maz Motor

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01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: Vehicle Insurance, Your futures in good.

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01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 3: Hands used Talks NB six twenty five.

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01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 2: Reading between the lines, I would think we're going to

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01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 2: have to push this well, based on what the hope

1592
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 2: will tell us next week, we probably will have to

1593
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 2: push the surpace out again. Is that what we're thinking.

1594
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 2: After the interviewed Nichola Willis and didn't like the tone

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01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 2: of it and says, Ryan cut it out. That was

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01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 2: rude to listen to. Normally, I love listening to you,

1597
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 2: not today. Another Dina says, well that was pretty disgusting.

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01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 19: Ryan.

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01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 2: Fancy speaking to Nicola like that, calling her a slippery turd. Now, technically, Dina,

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Speaker 2: what I did was read a text from Luke. Okay,

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01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,600
Speaker 2: I'm putting this on Luke Luke's that it sounded like

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01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 2: that what was being described was as slippery as a

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01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 2: turd in the spring rain. That's harmless. I know Nichola Willis,

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01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 2: and Nichola Willis is not going to be offended by

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01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 2: what Luke said. Okay, And besides, it's our job if

1606
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 2: we're going to push what other bigger issue do you

1607
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 2: want out there that we would ask hard questions about

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01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,759
Speaker 2: then getting back to surplus, which is what this government

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01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 2: was elected to do twenty six after six Now there's

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01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 2: no business like show business. Don't get your hopes up.

1611
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 2: I know what you know what this music is. We're

1612
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 2: not getting another season of Just Like That or another

1613
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 2: terrible sequel to the Sex and the City movies. But

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01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 2: the wedding bells have been ringing for Kim Cattrall. This

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01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 2: is Samantha from Sex in the City. So I put

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01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 2: you in my weird I Never Getting Married file, and

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01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 2: now I'm gonna have to take you out of that.

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01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 2: She's sixty nine years old, and she has revealed she

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01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 2: got hitched last week to her longtime partner, audio engineer

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01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 2: Russell Thomas, who was fifteen years younger than her. Thank

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01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:18,719
Speaker 2: you very much, so Art life, imitation, et cetera. Apparently

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01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 2: the ceremony was intimate, with only twelve guests in attendance

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01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 2: at the Chelsea Old Town Hall. Kim wanted nothing to

1624
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 2: do with the Sex and the City spin off series,

1625
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 2: just like that, but the show's costume designers styled her

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01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,799
Speaker 2: for the big day, so clearly she still has friends

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01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 2: from her on set days. She wore a deal suit

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01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 2: with champagne colored jacket and custom made hat and white

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01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 2: lace gloves. Very Samantha. The couple has been going out

1630
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 2: for almost ten years after Russell Thomas started following her

1631
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 2: on Twitter. There you go twenty seven after six News

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01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:50,879
Speaker 2: Talks have beat.

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01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's full

1634
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor

1635
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 1: Vehicle Insurance.

1636
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 3: Your future is in good hands. News Talks EBB.

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01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 2: Twenty five away from seven on NEWSTALKSB. We'll get to

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01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 2: the UK before seven o'clock. If you've been to Queenstown,

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01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 2: you'll know about the traffic. It's basically terrible. Well, I

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01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 2: mean it's terrible at the times you would expect traffic

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01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 2: to be terrible. And what the trick is to stay

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01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 2: at the Hilton across the Wakatipu and then get the

1643
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 2: boat over. That's the trick for young players. Anyway, Rod

1644
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,679
Speaker 2: Drury wants to solve all this. He's backing a quite

1645
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 2: a I think brilliant idea to get a gondola going

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01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 2: the length of Franklin Road. Well we go up the

1647
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 2: hill and then back down to the city center, but

1648
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 2: from the airport to Queenstown CBD, if that's what you

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01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 2: want to call it. He's backing it, and it's public transport.

1650
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 2: It would be privately funded about four hundred million dollars

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01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 2: I think mostly privately funded. Great idea. Don't need a car,

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01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 2: there's too many cars. Frankton Road has ten will have

1653
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 2: this year ten million car journeys on it and it

1654
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 2: doubles apparently the number wanting to use it every thirteen years,

1655
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 2: so big traffic problem. Gondola seems like a no brainer

1656
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 2: to me. And it's had today endorsement from the Infrastructure

1657
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 2: Commission for stage one of wanting to get onto the

1658
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:22,679
Speaker 2: fast track, so it basically has taken a little step

1659
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 2: forward in terms of wanting to get onto the fast track.

1660
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 2: I just say, get it done. Did you know if

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01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 2: you've been to Queenston recently. The roundabout that they're building.

1662
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 2: But by the BP, you know when you come out

1663
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 2: of the airport and you turn left to go into town.

1664
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 2: The roundabout situation that's happening, that's still happening and will

1665
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 2: apparently is a four year project. Guess how much that

1666
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 2: is going to cost. I was absolutely blown away when

1667
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 2: I heard this. It's going to cost two hundred and

1668
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:47,600
Speaker 2: fifty million.

1669
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 3: Dollars, Bryan Bridge.

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01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 2: I know smaller electricity retailers and generators are worried that

1671
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 2: impending reforms to the power market won't create the level

1672
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 2: playing for that we have been promised it will. The

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01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 2: Electricity Authority has proposed a non discrimination rule that will

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01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 2: force the gent tailors to play fear when they're deciding

1675
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 2: where to sell power to their own retail arms or

1676
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 2: to other retailers. The smaller players Octopus Energy, two Degrees,

1677
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 2: Electric key We and some other smaller players. They've now

1678
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 2: written to the EA saying this rule doesn't go far enough.

1679
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 2: Who are you Bert? Is Electric key We CEO? And

1680
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 2: is with me?

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01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 19: Now?

1682
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 2: Who are good evening?

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01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 27: Good evening? Ryan?

1684
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 2: How much further does it need to go? What do

1685
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 2: you want to happen.

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01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 27: Our proposal for the non discrimination obligations is that it

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01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 27: should apply to all the generation that the gentailers supply

1688
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 27: to their own retail arms. In the current form of

1689
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 27: these rules, it's only applying to what's called uncommitted capacity,

1690
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 27: which could end up being a very very small, insignificant

1691
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 27: amount out of the total volume, and that just doesn't

1692
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 27: create the level playing field that we need.

1693
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 2: Right what proportion of the output is it.

1694
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 27: We actually don't know the exact proportion, but it could

1695
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 27: be as low as zero if you interpreted the rules

1696
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 27: to their fullest extent. There is going to be more

1697
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 27: debate on this between the industry and the authority in

1698
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:30,520
Speaker 27: the coming days, but we think that effectively it's insignificant

1699
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 27: to create the level of competition that is going to

1700
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 27: create downward pressure on electricity prices for.

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01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,679
Speaker 2: Kiwis and the definition bit to Lucy Goosey for your liking.

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01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 2: By the sounds of it too, we are what about

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01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 2: this idea that instead, in terms of a consumer like

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01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 2: you know, I buy electricity, instead of them lowering the

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01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 2: price at which they charge the smaller retailers, they just

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01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 2: don't give themselves the same sweetheart deal and keep the

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01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,719
Speaker 2: price higher for all consumers across the board.

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01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 22: Yeah.

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01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 27: So what we think, Ryan, is that the problem and

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01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 27: I know that there has been a lot of commentary

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01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 27: from the gentail to say, hey, this is actually going

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01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 27: to push up the price of electricity for consumers because

1713
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 27: we are cross subsidizing it. We think the problem should

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01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 27: actually be flipped. Why are those contract prices that they're

1715
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 27: earning off this generation so high? So it's not that

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01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 27: reta that consumers the prices that they're paying should be higher.

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01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 27: In fact, they should be much lower because we can

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01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 27: see that the long run cost of this generation investment

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01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:48,879
Speaker 27: is actually around you know, forty to fifty dollars permega

1720
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 27: what are lower than what the contract market is. So

1721
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 27: what we think is what you need is rules to

1722
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 27: actually enforce the levels of competition that will bring those

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Speaker 27: content check prices down and then that's better for all all.

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Speaker 2: Kiwis Hell, we appreciate your time this evening. Who we

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Speaker 2: bought the electric key we CEO it is twenty to

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Speaker 2: seven newspalkers. You're news talks will get to the UK

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Speaker 2: a UK europe correspondent shortly. The lou Well we've seen

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Speaker 2: as we're going to be in that region. Anyway, I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you about the Louver Museum in Paris, so you

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Speaker 2: know they have the breaking terrible. Obviously the Crown jewels

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Speaker 2: gone in an instant. Well now they've got a water leak,

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Speaker 2: so they're open valve in the French music win. This

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Speaker 2: is about all you'll get at the Louver at the

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Speaker 2: moment because the water leak has damaged several hundred works

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Speaker 2: in the Egyptian department. Apparently three hundred to four hundred

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Speaker 2: works have been affected by this leak. And the problem

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01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 2: with this is same one with the breaking. The French

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01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 2: go and spend all of their budget. This is the

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Speaker 2: management at the museum go and spend all of their

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Speaker 2: budget on buying new art instead of actually fixing doing

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Speaker 2: what luck some would call the basics. Well, so fixing

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Speaker 2: the leaks in the roof, doing the repairs and the security.

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Speaker 2: They had a budget of one hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 2: dollars for repairs and they spent just three million euros.

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Speaker 2: Between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty four, just three million

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Speaker 2: euros were spent on repairs that needed to be done

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Speaker 2: of one hundred and fifty million dollar budget and same

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01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 2: went for security, very little when on the security that

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Speaker 2: they said that they needed. And what do you end

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Speaker 2: up with holes in the roof and the Crown jewels

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Speaker 2: missing nineteen.

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Speaker 1: To seven, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the

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Speaker 1: business hours with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor Vehicle insurance.

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Speaker 1: Your futures in goodas used talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: It is sixteen minutes away from seven Ryan. Can you

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Speaker 2: please tell me why the roundabout in Queenstown is going

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Speaker 2: to cost a quarter of a billion dollars. It's a

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01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 2: very good question. So here's the article that I was

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Speaker 2: reading earlier. Two hundred and fifty million dollar bill for

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Speaker 2: Queenstown Roundabout. This is from the fourth of April twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. The cost of upgrading the roundabout at the BP.

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Speaker 2: You'll know it if you've been there. This is Frankton

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Speaker 2: Road has swelled to a quarter of a billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: Transport Minister. This was Simme and Brown announced it back

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. The cost increased from one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifteen million to two hundred and fifty and the

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Speaker 2: project will take four years. He was reported as saying

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Speaker 2: they had chosen to prioritize it because it would unlock

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Speaker 2: housing flagged for development. This is it, Ladies Mile. Now,

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Speaker 2: what you're getting in addition to what was initially planned

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Speaker 2: was an expanded bus hub and some signals that were

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Speaker 2: being added to Joe O'Connell Drive to help make entry

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Speaker 2: and exit at the event center more efficient. Beyond that,

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Speaker 2: I can't see that there was much else added to it.

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Speaker 2: So why does a roundabout cost a quarter of a

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Speaker 2: billion dollars? Honestly, I can't answer that question. Brian Bridge

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Speaker 2: quarter to seven. Gavin Gray, a UK correspondent with US

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Speaker 2: Gavin good evening hither right now, there's a report outloaded

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Speaker 2: this week and to COVID nineteen support programs and how

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Speaker 2: much they've cost taxpayers, and.

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Speaker 11: It's looking pretty grim. It's going to be over twenty

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Speaker 11: two billion New Zealand dollars lost through fraud and error.

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Speaker 11: So the government set up something called the COVID Counter

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Speaker 11: Fraud Commissioner and he's releasing this report later on and

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Speaker 11: he's going to say that apparently frauds has exploited what

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Speaker 11: he's calling a golden opportunity to apply their unruly trade

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Speaker 11: with COVID era policies initiated by the previous Conservative government

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Speaker 11: and that's the big thing here. Of course, COVID happened

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Speaker 11: under the Conservatives. We now have a labor government and

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Speaker 11: those schemes were really meant to try and keep people

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Speaker 11: in work. So there was the furlough wage subsidy. Those

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Speaker 11: who were placed on furlough, we're given a subsidy top

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Speaker 11: up to their wage when employers dropped it, a bit

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01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 11: bounce back loans for companies, and also a program called

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Speaker 11: eat Out Help Out where they encourage people to go

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Speaker 11: into restaurants by setting a menu for ten pounds and

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Speaker 11: the government would contribute to ten pounds as well as

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01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,719
Speaker 11: well as one off grants. Now, they were all credited

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Speaker 11: with propping up the economy, but the criticism appears to

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Speaker 11: be the speed of the role out of financial support

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01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 11: was too quick and it lacked eligibility checks, which led

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Speaker 11: to widespread error and fraud. No doubt ministers at the

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01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 11: time would say we didn't have time to hang around,

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01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 11: people were losing their jobs, there was lockdown, etc. That

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Speaker 11: the scale of this fraud is truly shocking.

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Speaker 2: Messa. Did you say more than twenty billion.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, Well it's going to be sort of nearer

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Speaker 11: twenty four billion New Zealand dollars in totally.

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Speaker 2: We had a guy who's just been put in prison

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Speaker 2: here in New Zealand. He was one point eight million

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01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 2: dollars on which you basically stole from the Health department

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01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 2: here for services that were never actually delivered anyway, there

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01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 2: was obviously a lot of it going on. You've got

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Speaker 2: a similar problem in the UK that we have here.

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Speaker 2: This is young people unemployed in Government's got a bit

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Speaker 2: of a solution.

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Speaker 11: Yes, So the government is due to announce a little

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Speaker 11: later today a package of about one and a half

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Speaker 11: billion New Zealand dollars covering the next three years, which

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Speaker 11: will create apprenticeships in sectors including here we go, AI,

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Speaker 11: hospitality and engineering. Now these will be apprenticeships for people

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Speaker 11: under the age of twenty five at small and medium

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Speaker 11: sized business and these apprenticeships are going to be fully

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Speaker 11: funded as part of a package, removing a current five

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Speaker 11: percent that the bosses currently have to pay. And this

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Speaker 11: is all about a massive spike in the number of

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Speaker 11: people who are not in education, employment or training. In

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Speaker 11: other words, they are simply not doing anything with their time.

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Speaker 11: And that figure has remained stubbornly high in the UK at.

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Speaker 3: Almost one million.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 11: The fear is as this younger age group goes through

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Speaker 11: the decades and if they're still not in employment, education

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Speaker 11: or training, that will have a massive impact on tax

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Speaker 11: intake of course, which will have a massive impact on

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Speaker 11: pensions and other government spending. And so consequently, this government's

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Speaker 11: saying now wants apprenticeships to be looked at in the same.

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Speaker 3: Way of degrees.

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Speaker 11: I think I must have heard that about three or

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Speaker 11: four times from politicians in the last twenty years. But

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Speaker 11: also look to create these big three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 11: thousand training and work experience placements in total. We will

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Speaker 11: wait to see the announcement more fully and hear the

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Speaker 11: reaction from employers.

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Speaker 2: All right now to the loove, I was just telling

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01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 2: the listeners about the story out of Paris and so

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01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:42,759
Speaker 2: the roofs leaking. You know, these jewels are being stolen.

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Speaker 2: What do you think people in Paris do they are

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01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 2: they outraged about? What's the money that isn't being spent

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01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 2: on things like fixing roofs and dealing with security.

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Speaker 11: I think it's a national embarrassment as well. The President

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01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 11: has said as much and add to that list as well,

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01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 11: structural weaknesses, prompting the partial closure of one of the

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01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 11: galleries hosting Greek vases and offices. So I mean, if

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01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 11: it's been a few months of absolute shock for the

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Speaker 11: French people to have their you know, their national pride

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01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 11: dented in such a way. The Louver is the most

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01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 11: visited museum in the world, but now we learn that

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01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 11: three to four hundred works, mostly books, affected by this league. However,

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01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,759
Speaker 11: that's not the end of it. More books have been damaged,

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01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 11: we just haven't got the full count yet, caused by

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01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,720
Speaker 11: a leak discovered a couple of weeks back. But that

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01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 11: leak had been known for years, with repairs scheduled for

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01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 11: next year. And one of the things as well that's

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Speaker 11: happening run is that for New Zealand citizens non Europeans,

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01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 11: the entry fee is doubling. Let's hope they can sort

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01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 11: this out, although I have to say I think a

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01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 11: lot fewer people will be visiting the Louver. I think

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01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 11: it's now up to something like seventy New Zealand dollars

1870
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 11: to get in.

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01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 2: Well, givin thank you for that. Givin gray a uk

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01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,080
Speaker 2: corus on it it is ten to seven. See, I

1873
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 2: would still go for seventeen New Zealand dollars.

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01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 3: Would you.

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01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 2: I mean you're going to You're going all the way

1876
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 2: to the other end of the earth and you want

1877
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 2: to see the Mona Lisa, don't you? So you're still

1878
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 2: going to pay it, which is the same argument. You

1879
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 2: know people said here, oh, don't put a tourist tax old,

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01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 2: they'll never come. I don't think it's going to put

1881
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 2: people off at all. Are you're coming all that way,

1882
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 2: you might as well throw an extra fifty bucks in.

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01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 2: It is nine to seven News Talks VB.

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01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: It's the heather too for see allan drive full show

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Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZB.

1886
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 2: News Talks EDB seven minutes away from the seven. So

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01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 2: we've had a poll out tonight if you're just joining

1888
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 2: us the TV and Z variant pole. And basically it

1889
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 2: confirms that National should not have done a little pre

1890
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 2: Christmas dagger daggers in the caucus room and get rid

1891
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 2: of Luxen because the coalition would if held tomorrow, the

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01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 2: Coalition would win the election again, providing Winston goes with

1893
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 2: Labor and even if he even sorry, providing Winston goes

1894
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 2: and stays with the coalition. But even if he went

1895
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,479
Speaker 2: with Labor, they wouldn't have enough to govern alone. They

1896
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 2: would have to get support from to Party Marty and

1897
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 2: from the Greens and as Winston ever, like, I don't

1898
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 2: think you can trust him on going with Labour because

1899
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 2: he's done that before. We all know that. But would

1900
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,640
Speaker 2: he go with Labor to Party Marty and the Greens. No,

1901
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 2: he never would. So that's just not a scenario at

1902
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 2: this point that would actually bear any fruit or is

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01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 2: worth sort of consideration based on these numbers. Anyway, By

1904
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 2: the way, the Greens have their supports tanked down four

1905
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 2: percent from eleven to seven percent, and to Party Marty

1906
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 2: voters are just going you guys are just not serious.

1907
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 2: You're you know, you're a mess. Lowis result in five

1908
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 2: years for them, down on one percent for to Party

1909
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 2: Marty that's down two on their previous poll. You're on

1910
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:46,720
Speaker 2: News Talk c B. Thanks so much for all of

1911
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Speaker 2: your texts and all of your feedback this evening, very

1912
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 2: much appreciated. What are we going out? Well, I know

1913
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 2: who this is ants, who's Katy Perry, And I know

1914
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:57,560
Speaker 2: why you're doing it?

1915
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 13: Yeah, okay, why am I doing it?

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01:37:59,000 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 8: Right?

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01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 2: Just in their Instagram official.

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Speaker 13: They have gone Instagram official.

1919
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Speaker 9: That's right, the worst kept secret and celebrity and form

1920
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Speaker 9: of politician dating.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 9: So Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau appear to be an item.

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01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 9: They've shared a post where they've got lots of photos

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01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:14,800
Speaker 9: where they're all cuddling up and eating dinner together and

1925
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 9: doing other couple of things. And I think Justin in

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01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 9: the same post put a bunch of stuff from when

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01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 9: he met with the former Japanese Prime Minister Fumiokishi as well,

1928
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 9: So clearly he's just doing the what is it like

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01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,959
Speaker 9: for them? The autumn dump, just the autnance ig dump.

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Speaker 13: Just all there. Oh dating Katy Perry, Yeah, I went

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Speaker 13: to Japan, etcetera, etcetera. Next life update in three months everybody.

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Speaker 27: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they're well matched. I think they're both

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Speaker 2: like looking at they're both as hot as each other,

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Speaker 2: they're both as famous as each other.

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Speaker 9: I wonder, is is there like a famous person like

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Speaker 9: bumble or something where you just go around there is

1938
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Speaker 9: are you and it?

1939
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Speaker 13: No famous person?

1940
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Speaker 7: Know.

1941
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Speaker 2: I'm happily married and I'm not famous, and I'm from

1942
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Speaker 2: New Zealand, so even if I was, it's pathetic. However,

1943
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Speaker 2: there is and it's apparently it's just filled with only fans. People.

1944
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Speaker 13: Ah, they're certainly famous. Yeah, firework is the song we go.

1945
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Speaker 2: Have a great night everyone, Let you go.

1946
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Speaker 18: Boom you.

1947
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Speaker 13: Can as you show.

1948
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1950
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