1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: There was so much democracy unfolding in front of us 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: this past week, from Romania to Australia, to Singapore, Canada 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: and the United Kingdom. We need to tap into some 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: serious brain power and work through what it all might mean. 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Nick Bryant these days, you will remember, resides in Australia, 6 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: and he resides in Australia at least in part because 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: America wasn't the same place as when it was when 8 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: he arrived from Britain. Wrote a very good book about that, 9 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: in fact, called When America Stopped Being Great. So let's 10 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: get into it. Nick Bryant's back with us. 11 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: Mate. How are you, Mike, I'm good. How are you. 12 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: I'm extremely well. Did you see elbow coming the way 13 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: he did on Saturday night? 14 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: Well, it was certainly a big trump efat here in 15 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 3: Australia as it was in Canada. I mean, I think 16 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 3: he was the real beneficiary of Trump's first one hundred days. 17 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 3: I mean Peter Dutton, the opposition leader, obviously thought he 18 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: was going to be the beneficiary of what he saw 19 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: at Trump's inauguration as this global right wood vibe shift. 20 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: But as the one hundred days went on, it became 21 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: more apparent that Australia wanted to use its uniquely Australian 22 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 3: model of democracy to elect an emphatically Australian prime minister. 23 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: And I think one way of interpreting the labor landslide 24 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: Mike is a rejection of Americanization and a collective act 25 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 3: of Australianization. I think that's one of the key things. 26 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 3: And they've really gone for a very authentic Australian. Australian 27 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: prime ministers, a very Australian tend to do well. Bob Pork, 28 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 3: John Howard, Anthony ALBERESI. 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: Do you see him as more popular than many people 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: saw him prior to the whole Trump thing in the 31 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: election campaign, because up until that point my reading was 32 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: Dutton was a contender, may not win, but he was 33 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: a contender, and people found a lot of things wrong 34 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: with Elbow and what he was doing with Australia. 35 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Anthony Alberzi runs the risk of sort 36 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 3: of misinterpreting this result as a kind of massive personal 37 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: mandate for him and a sign of his popularity. 38 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: I really think it was a reject of the other side. 39 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: I mean, sure ALBERONIZI ran a strong campaign there, were 40 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: none of the errors that there were three years ago. 41 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 3: It was an effective message that looked at the future 42 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: when Peter Dutton was kind of litigating the past. But 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 3: I really think the Trump effect was key here because 44 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: so much of the sort of liberal rhetoric at the 45 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: beginning of campaign, which doesn't seem to think would work, 46 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: came back to haunt them. I mean, not least that 47 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: comment about working from home for federal employees, which had 48 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: an echo of what Elon Musk was saying and what 49 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 3: Donald Trump was saying, that became as facile as the 50 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: Liberal Party's nuclear policy. You know, when he went after 51 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: the Canbury bureocracy again there was a kind of echo 52 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: of what Elon Musk was doing with Doge and I 53 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: think this is kind of really hurt Peter Dunton, and 54 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 3: of course he became the sort of Pierre of Australian politics, 55 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 3: losing his seat, as as the Canadian Conservative Leona did 56 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: as well. 57 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: The interesting thing about Canada is an elect in Karne 58 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: and so your argument about Australia true, turbo charge it 59 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: for Canada, but what have they elected. This is a 60 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: bloke who's never been in politics before, so they elected 61 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: a guy who Yay. We like him because he does 62 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: he's going to stand up to Trump. But Kenny, because 63 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 1: do we don't know anything about him? 64 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was really amazed how that a Khne sort 65 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: of came on as a campaign during this campaign. 66 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: I mean, he's not the most charismatic a man. 67 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: I mean he's a very technocratic I mean British people 68 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 3: know obviously because he was the governor of the Bank 69 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: of England during Brexit and he was a real stabilizing presence, 70 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: and I think that's one of the key things. And 71 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: I think that's one of the key things in Australia 72 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: as well, Mike. I mean, I think that's why there 73 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: is a linkage between the two. Because the most powerful 74 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: force in politics in twenty twenty four was anti incumbency. 75 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: One of the major Trump effects is to kind of 76 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: neutralize that and actually to turn incumbent see into an advantage, 77 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: the idea that a ton of global chaos and market 78 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: chaos that you. 79 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: Back somebody you know. 80 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: Now, Mark Carney is particularly well placed to kind of 81 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: benefit from that because he is such a kind of 82 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 3: master of the economy. He wasn't only the governor of 83 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 3: the Back of England, he was also the Governor of 84 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: the Bank of Canada and that helps that financial expertise. 85 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: And I think Alberan Easy, who you thought was going 86 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 3: to be a victim of anti incumbency six months ago, 87 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: has ended up being a beneficiary of incumbency as far 88 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: as so. 89 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: To counter your argument though Canada, yes, we get Australia, 90 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: we get Singapore to a individual story, but the same 91 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: thing applies. How do you then and Romania you can 92 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: dismiss because Eastern Europe's a strange block of countries, But 93 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: how do you explain Farage over the weekend? 94 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: He's yeah, I think that's really fascinating. You asked me that, 95 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: and I've got an answer for you. You know, Nagia 96 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 3: Farrage did lead the Reform Party to storming victories last 97 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: week in the local action. 98 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: It ended up gaining control some local councils. 99 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: It wrenchs the parliamentary seat from Liverpool from labor on 100 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: the fringes of Liverpool in Runkle with a massive, a 101 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 3: massive seventeen percent swing. You know, Farage has a charisma 102 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 3: that doesn't lacks and an understanding of political showmanship that 103 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 3: the Canadian Conservative leader didn't have. But my hunch is 104 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 3: that a kind of Australian populist with Arrage like skills 105 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 3: or an as Canadian populist with Farage like skills would 106 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: struggle because the political cultures are very different. In Brittany, 107 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,119 Speaker 3: you had Boris Johnson. You know, the Brits have shown 108 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 3: that they're prepared to go for a prime minister who's 109 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 3: kind of populist, charismatic, unconventional, somebody with a lot of 110 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 3: journalistic entertainment value that I don't think is what Canadians want. 111 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 3: That is certainly not what Australians want. I think there's 112 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: a kind of rejection of a kind of it's just 113 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 3: not the Australian way to have that kind of demagoguery. 114 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 3: It kind of violates the tall Poppy syndrome to begin with, 115 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: and I think something similar probably operates in New Zealand 116 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: as well. 117 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: So nicka earlier on this morning, we had the former 118 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: Prime Minister John Key on the program. He was the 119 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: one who initiated the terror or the deals here for 120 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: the film industry, got Peter Jackson to make Lord of 121 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: the rings here, we cut some tax and seen terms 122 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. The reason I asked that 123 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that is because Trump, of course one 124 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: hundred percent for movies on that he's right. So in 125 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: other words, that he wants to rebalance dealings with the world, 126 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: he's right because countries have taken business away from us, 127 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: taken business away from America. And yet all of the 128 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: rest of it, the madness, the nuttiness, how do you 129 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: explain it. 130 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 3: I think it's almost as if he wants to take 131 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: America back to the nineteenth century. 132 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: I mean, it seems that so many things that have. 133 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: Kind of guaranteed and made America's pre eminence in the 134 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: post war world, the international trading system which America created, 135 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: the international rules based order which America created, the scientific 136 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: trailblazers at the university, these amazing governmental medical institutions that 137 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: are packed with the greatest scientists in the world, that 138 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 3: sort of underscored its innovative and technical dominance. It's almost 139 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 3: like he wants to get rid of all of that 140 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: and returned to a country. And he said this in 141 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: his inauguration when he talks about America returning to being 142 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: an expansionist country as it was in the nineteenth century. 143 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: He missed it at the time because he ended that 144 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 3: centence by saying We're going to plant the stars and 145 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: stripes on Mars, and then Elon Musk went bonkers and 146 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: that was a headline. But it was worth rereading the 147 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: inaugural address because it shows how Donald Trump Kanner doesn't 148 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: really want America to be as it was in the 149 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: twentieth century, which is internationalist and interventionists. He wants it 150 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: to be like it was in the nineteenth century, the 151 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: Gilded Age, when there were tariffs, when there was an 152 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: income text, when there's a very small government, you didn't 153 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: have to finance it with income taxes, when America had 154 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: antagonistic relationships, it didn't have an alliance system, it didn't 155 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: have this kind of technical dominance at the beginning. That's 156 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: one way that I interpret these first one hundred days. 157 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 3: And his new hero, his new sort of historical crush, 158 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: is William McKinley, this guy that was called the Napoleon 159 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: of tariffs. And you know, he always has loved Andrew Jackson, 160 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 3: which again was a nineteenth century president who wrote roughshodo 161 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: over Congress and who wrote roughshod over the Supreme Court. 162 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: That's the kind of America that he sees is great. 163 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: I think, and that's what he's tried to take America 164 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 3: back to. 165 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: But the problem with the statistics, and you saw the 166 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: GDP the other day, they're going backwards and they've got midterms, 167 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: and when that goes wrong for him and he's a 168 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: lamed up president, at some point that must register that 169 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: things aren't the way they're supposed to be in his mind. 170 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 171 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: And what we're learning, I don't think the market's a 172 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 3: moderating influence on Trump because they go up and down, 173 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: and indeed a lot of the sort of reverses that 174 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 3: we saw in Liberation DWN it's aftermath have been recovered 175 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 3: by the end of April. But what does affect him, 176 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: and what is obviously a moderating influence, is the bomb market. 177 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 2: You can't mess with the bomb market. And Scott Bessen 178 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: told him this, and sure, you know, he inherited a 179 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: really strong economy. 180 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: You know, the Biden economy was coming good, and he's 181 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 3: turning it to a very bad economy. And that's really interesting, Mike, 182 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: because I think, you know, some of his supporters will 183 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: support him up to a point. What will always struck 184 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: me when I went into the brast belt, I went 185 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 3: into the farm belt. Talk to people who are being hit. 186 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: Trump supporters who are being hit by the tariffs. They 187 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: were prepared to support Trump even though it hit their 188 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 3: bottom line because they just wanted somebody to fight for them. 189 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 3: It was kind of they were making a cultural choice 190 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: that was against their kind of economic self interest. But 191 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: you know, their patience doesn't last forever, and I think 192 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: that's one of the problems they're facing Trump. 193 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: In regards to the media, I'm reading this morning out 194 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: of Australia Guinea. Ryan Hart's blaming and this goes back 195 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: to Australia blaming what she calls the lift media and 196 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: very short. People are very short on understanding. What's your 197 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: take on how the American media is covering Trump, in 198 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: whether they've learned anything from Trump? 199 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: Somebody asked me, Yeah, somebody asked me to book festival 200 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: Mike where the journalists are afraid? 201 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: The other day. 202 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 3: I don't know any journalists that's afraid. Certainly know my 203 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: colleagues in the BBC are afraid. Are any of my 204 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 3: friends that I knew in places out in New York 205 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: Times to the Washington Post. What I do worry about 206 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 3: is that the owners of some of these big media 207 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 3: organizations are afraid. 208 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 2: They're frightened of Trump, They're frightened of what he can do. 209 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: You know, we saw the. 210 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 3: Chief of sixty minutes resign because he felt that paramount, 211 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 3: the owner of sixty minutes and CBS, which is trying 212 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: to do this big murder at the moment that could 213 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: be scuffered by Trump, was being interventionists and interfering, and 214 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 3: that was wrong. 215 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: And that's what worries me. 216 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: You know, watching that inauguration, it's great people watching, isn't it, 217 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 3: But it's always great power watching as well. And to 218 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 3: see those kind of heads of the big tech companies, 219 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: the princes of Silicon Valley, the jeff bezos Is and 220 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: the Zuckerbergs given better seats than incoming senior members of 221 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: the Trump administration, you know, it was deeply worrying. And 222 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 3: I think they've made a calculation based on two things. 223 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 3: A they're worried what the Trump administration could do to them, 224 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: and B they've looked at the election result, where Trump 225 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 3: became the first Republican in twenty years to win the 226 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 3: popular vote, and they think, well, he's more representative American 227 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 3: than we thought it was, so we better reflect that 228 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 3: in our policies. But I wonder now whether you know 229 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 3: the tanking of his approval ratings, the instability in the economy. 230 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 3: You know, a corporate America that basically capitulated at the 231 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: start of the Trump administration might start showing a bit 232 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 3: more backbone. 233 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to have you on the program mate, 234 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: We'll catch up again soon. Appreciate it very much. As 235 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: Red Nick Bryan out of Australia in the early hours 236 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: or early issu hours of a Tuesday morning. For more 237 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks 238 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: it'd be from six a m. 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