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Speaker 2: Gott a good afternoon. Welcome into Weekend Sport on News

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Speaker 2: Talks EDB. Saturday, June fourteen, Happy birthday, Steffi Graff. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jason Pine Show producer Andy McDonald. We're talking sport until

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Speaker 2: three Sunny. Bill Williams is in studio after two o'clock

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Speaker 2: this afternoon. He's going to fight Paul Gallon in Sydney

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Speaker 2: on July sixteen. Gonna find out all about that and

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Speaker 2: the very real beef between these two. First up today,

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Speaker 2: though where else but christ Church? The twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: Super Rugby Final will be played in the Garden City.

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Speaker 2: After an absolutely gripping game last night, Whol's.

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Speaker 3: Presentable The Crusaders a chun on it. I'm turning over

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Speaker 3: The Crusaders a chub don Y, the Crusade Judos.

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Speaker 2: And another one vice that us playing in the background.

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Speaker 2: Two tries for Will Jordan highlighting the Crusaders twenty one

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Speaker 2: fourteen went over the Blues. I'll meet the winners of

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Speaker 2: tonight's second semi final between the Chiefs and the Brumbies

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Speaker 2: and Hamilton twenty twenty four Well and truly now in

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Speaker 2: the rear view mirror for the Crusaders, their captain David

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Speaker 2: Harvili is standing by the chat with US match commentator

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Speaker 2: Nick Biorliff. He's got any voice left this hour as well.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts are welcome, of course, can anyone anyone beat

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Speaker 2: the Crusaders in christ Church? Only one more team is

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Speaker 2: school sport, in particular the case this week of five

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Speaker 2: year fourteens playing for the Marlboro Boys Verse fifteen. Now,

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Speaker 2: this feels to me to be a very easy fix,

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Speaker 2: but there may be contrary views. We'll unpack this after

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Speaker 2: one o'clock. How prevalent is this? What are you seeing?

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Speaker 2: Are there stories you can tell us about year fourteen's

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Speaker 2: of students coming back for year fourteen to complete their education.

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Speaker 2: But the lines get blurred, They get quite murky, even

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Speaker 2: you might say dodgy, when some of those year fourteens

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Speaker 2: we want to have a yarn about this afternoon, after one,

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Speaker 2: the US Golf Open has reached its halfway stage at

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Speaker 2: the tricky Oakmont Course in Pennsylvania. Just three players under

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Speaker 2: He shot three over in the second round, five over

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Speaker 2: Graham a Gars, Liam Lawson, two top ten finishers in

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Speaker 2: practice just in practice for Formula ones Canadian Grand Prix.

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Speaker 2: Cover that or for you and look ahead to qualifying tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: The race itself is on Monday morning, New Zealand Time.

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Speaker 2: Adam Peacock updating us on Australian sporting matters around one

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Speaker 2: forty five As per usual, Live I Sport This afternoon,

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Speaker 2: Big Game four in the NBA Finals underway at twelve

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Speaker 2: thirty Oklahoma City Thunder Indiana Pacers in Oklahoma City. The

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Speaker 2: Pacers lead the Best of seven series two to one,

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Speaker 2: and football's Chatham Cup has reached its third round. Bunch

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Speaker 2: The Crusaders' Homes Super Rugby playoff winning streak has been

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Speaker 2: extended to thirty one games. They've beaten the Blues twenty

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Speaker 2: one to fourteen and the semi final in christ Church,

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Speaker 2: What were the emotions when the turnover finally came. I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty pretty happy.

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Speaker 6: You're just thruly related for those for the boys that

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Speaker 5: And I thought that our full pack.

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Speaker 2: There seem to be some real genuine feeling in this one,

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Speaker 6: At the right time, certainly? I think you know that,

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Speaker 6: Either way in that first half, and then when we

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Speaker 6: He's a massive game driver for us, and you know,

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Rivers there, how much of you enjoyed watching

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Speaker 2: Three yellow cards last night. David All for head clashes

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you know, the the game of the moment,

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Speaker 5: It taking care of that.

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Speaker 6: It's yeah, obviously no one tries to go in there

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Speaker 2: But purely not.

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Speaker 6: I think there was just a yeah, I think there

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, a lot's being made of the Crusader's incredible unbeaten

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Speaker 2: home finals record. You've heard the stat thirty one straight

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Speaker 6: Now with others it's it's part of our history and

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Speaker 6: it's awesome to be able to have that, I guess,

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Speaker 6: But certainly when we're preparing for the week, that's got

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Speaker 2: And there's no doubt twenty twenty four was well below

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Speaker 5: And yeah, we've seen it. I see a bit of success.

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Speaker 2: Well, you've earned one more home game at Addington, You've

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Speaker 2: I think all right, just to finish it, I know

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Speaker 5: Look, honestly, it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 6: We've got what we're after their home final and.

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Speaker 5: The Metal of the op Opposition movie is still on.

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Speaker 6: Hell of a game, so.

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Speaker 2: Well, congrats on a hell of a game from your

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Speaker 5: Cheers, Thank you, and enjoy the weekend too.

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Speaker 2: You enjoy yours, David, I'm sure you well, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: Captain of the Crusaders. Very impressive guy. You can hear

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Speaker 2: Absolutely provide you the forum to do that if you

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Speaker 2: Absolutely brilliant semifinal, not a tryfest, not a forty nine

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Speaker 2: should be like that, an eighty seven minute slug fest

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Speaker 2: We should not fence them in three head clashes last night,

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Speaker 2: Hoskins Stitutu on Shae Fie hockey. I'm just I don't

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Speaker 2: Ethan Blackadder was told that he had to go off

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Speaker 2: to go off for an Hia, and he's like, what

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Speaker 2: which they should, they won't go to Christich's favorites. Nobody does.

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Speaker 2: He won. Teams have gone to the Garden City now

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Speaker 2: and none of them have managed it. Blues coach Vern

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Speaker 9: Yeah, a great intro. Jason, Yeah, good interview with David

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Speaker 9: Averli too, top man. I'm just I'm just pitching myself

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they look in the first half, I was, I

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 9: I know, well I nearly dropped them to Christia chist

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Speaker 9: So yeah, I said that joking leader someone after the game.

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Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, you're sort of waiting for golden point

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Speaker 9: I go back to two thousand and we played Canberra

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good on your graham. Good to chat to your mate.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Blues a week ago against the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: But they still, you know, kept on banging away for

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Speaker 2: the drama in the theater and the commitment of those

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Speaker 2: players on both sides, just the wholehearted commitment of both

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Speaker 2: sets of players is riveting to me. It is riveting

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Speaker 2: to me. Thanks for your text, though, Gary, I realize

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Speaker 2: it's not everybody's cup of tea. Twelve to twenty nine

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Speaker 2: call starting to starting to come, and please hold if

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Speaker 2: you are on hold at the moment, there will be

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Speaker 2: a spere line at some point in the next little while.

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Speaker 2: I think O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: nine two nine to two one text back in a moment.

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Speaker 1: The biggest things in sports are on weekend Sports with

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Speaker 1: Jason Pain and GJ. Gunnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home

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Speaker 1: builder news talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be twelve fifty two full border calls. Let's get

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Speaker 2: to them. Term of your chiefs win tonight, which they should?

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Speaker 2: What chance do you give them next weekend? In christ

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Speaker 2: H's mate.

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Speaker 11: Them every chance. I know we went down there this year.

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Speaker 11: I know we went down there this year and beat

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Speaker 11: them in and what a record they have thirty one

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Speaker 11: unbeating games.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 11: I can't think of any other sports team, professional sports

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Speaker 11: team in world sports there has a record like that

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Speaker 11: at home in the final series. The only team that

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Speaker 11: comes to mind is the All Blacks at Eden Park.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's that's actually, that's the one that jumped

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Speaker 2: into my mind, Tim as you were saying that. But

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Speaker 2: again that's test matches. But in terms of that of

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Speaker 2: that of finals football, when you're playing the best teams

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Speaker 2: with everything on the line, to go thirty one and

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Speaker 2: zero is astonishing stuff.

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Speaker 11: It's astonishing. And if you remember in nineteen ninety six

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Speaker 11: when this competition became professional, they finished last the Crusader.

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Speaker 12: Yes they were.

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Speaker 11: And then in nineteen ninety eight they went up talking

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Speaker 11: and won their first title and then won three in

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Speaker 11: a row on the road.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they'd go and win one in Canberra. From memory,

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Speaker 2: didn't that down and down and down in Dunedin as well?

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Speaker 11: I think that's right, that's right they did that. I

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Speaker 11: think they played the game a camera in the snow too.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was pretty cold that memory, it was. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: one one porter I think from memory. Yeah, but no,

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Speaker 2: you're right. It took them a while, didn't it, to

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Speaker 2: get the hang of having to play these games at home.

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Speaker 2: But then once they did, and and you know, as

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Speaker 2: we know thirty one and oh man, it's incredible. Was

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Speaker 2: so what do you reckon about your Chiefs tonight? You

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Speaker 2: reckon you'll be okay against the Brumbies.

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Speaker 11: Look, I agree with what you just said that the

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Speaker 11: Blues were banging on the line and that's what happened

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Speaker 11: to us last weekend. You know, we couldn't hold them.

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Speaker 11: I couldn't hold them out and we try to beat

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Speaker 11: them at their own game. But I think with the

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Speaker 11: Titi back in the starting run up and Jacobson back

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Speaker 11: with the for the Chiefs, I think we should be

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Speaker 11: too good the Brumbies, you know, the Australia's only really

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Speaker 11: they could upset us. But man, if we get through

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Speaker 11: what a final that will be final, that will be.

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Speaker 2: It is the final. Everybody wants Chiefs fans, Crusaders fans,

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Speaker 2: everybody listening to the show, I'm sure, and then they're

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Speaker 2: probably Brumbies fans listening, and you know, I don't know

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Speaker 2: that to be true, but I think everybody wants a

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Speaker 2: Crusaders Chiefs final. I think your boys would be okay tonight, mate,

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Speaker 2: Good to chat. Listen again next weekend, Mark, Hey.

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Speaker 8: Hey Piney, Yeah, will Goordan came out with a bit

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Speaker 8: of mungle last night, didn't he.

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Speaker 2: I actually thought that was interesting. Yeah, and David Havili

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Speaker 2: as well, who was famously calm, Like I say, after

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Speaker 2: Will Jordan scored his first try and got up and

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Speaker 2: he was he was up and about pumped up. And

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Speaker 2: then I saw Havevilli giving it to aj Lamb, which

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Speaker 2: I've never seen. I've never seen David Heavilly do that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think he Vidi's had a really good season.

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Speaker 8: That sort of puts in a few options for the

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Speaker 8: All Blacks.

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Speaker 5: I thought.

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Speaker 8: I thought last night it was quite good for the

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Speaker 8: All Blacks team because there's a lot of players playing

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Speaker 8: well there. And I thought to me, I thought the

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Speaker 8: Blues probably were a victim of the hard game against

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Speaker 8: the Chiefs last week. I thought that might have taken

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Speaker 8: out of them, and then they started really well. But

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Speaker 8: then you know, with the Crusaders doing the Crusaders thing,

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Speaker 8: they just sort of, yeah, finished over the top. I

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Speaker 8: just wanted to mention the yellow cards to me, there's

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Speaker 8: too much onus on the defensive player. You know, if

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Speaker 8: an offensive player runs in to the other person, to

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Speaker 8: the defender's head, it doesn't matter what the defender does

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Speaker 8: to mitigate it or what he positioned in he goes

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Speaker 8: to the bin. I mean, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 8: just because heads clash, Just because the heads are clashing,

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Speaker 8: there's no onnus on the attacking player to not hit

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Speaker 8: your head against the defender. It all goes on the

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Speaker 8: defender and they're getting And I thought that that last

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Speaker 8: yellow card was just as Justin Marshall said, it was

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Speaker 8: just an accident of rugby. And to me, if you're

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Speaker 8: going to do that all the time, it's really going

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Speaker 8: to have some negative offense on the game. And I think,

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Speaker 8: I think, and I know that they're trying to protect

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Speaker 8: the you know, the head, but you know, I think

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Speaker 8: it's gone a bit over the top and I think

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Speaker 8: there needs to be some sort of method. I don't

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Speaker 8: know how they do it, but just to stop that

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Speaker 8: that thing happening where if you're in it, because you

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Speaker 8: could get the you could get a position we're an

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Speaker 8: attacker runs and directly hits his head into the defensive

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Speaker 8: player to get them sent off. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: I know I'm playing Devil's advocating him.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, I do, because you're right, because there's you're

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Speaker 2: right the defender has to change their body position, but

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Speaker 2: there's no onus on the attacker to do exactly the

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Speaker 2: same thing. You're right, Mark, it's it's something which is yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is a bit of an anomaly, and three times

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Speaker 2: last night we saw it resulted in yellow cards. The

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Speaker 2: players will know the rules and David Avily, I think

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Speaker 2: was pretty diplomatic when he answered the question. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's got to be tough. Like I say, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what Hoskinstitutu was supposed to do at the end,

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Speaker 2: as you've said, and as yeah, as Justin Marshall said

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Speaker 2: on the television commentary last night. Thanks Mark, Brian, Hello.

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Speaker 13: Mate, okay man, how are you very good?

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Speaker 10: Brian?

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Speaker 14: I want to see Rob Penny do the breakdown after the.

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Speaker 2: Boys week, Brian, I think you'll be waiting a while.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't strike me as the break dancing type.

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Speaker 7: Well, it would be amazing, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 2: It would be it would be imagined if he did it,

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Speaker 2: that would be that would go yeah to night, it

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Speaker 2: would the guy. I'm stoked for Rob Penny. You know

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Speaker 2: he was under so much pressure last year and you've

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Speaker 2: got to you've got to say the Crusaders organization were

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Speaker 2: very courageous in the face of a lot of public

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Speaker 2: opinion to keep him on and it's proven to be.

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Speaker 15: The right way.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, but then again, it's not the coach on the

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Speaker 14: boys on the field's gonna he it on the field,

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Speaker 14: wouldn't them, is he?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 2: That's right, And he didn't have a lot of cattle

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Speaker 2: last year. And we've talked a bit about Will Jordan

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Speaker 2: this hour. I mean, Will Jordan makes a massive difference

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Speaker 2: to that team. I know one player doesn't make a team,

576
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Speaker 2: but doesn't he You know.

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Speaker 14: That last trial that Will Jordan got that.

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Speaker 16: I was sitting on the edge in my seat for

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Speaker 16: the whole time.

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Speaker 14: Because the Blues just how many time today try to

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Speaker 14: that they had to make the tackles for that last

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Speaker 14: few minutes.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Incredible. Yeah, it's incredible discipline and commitment, isn't it?

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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: But more Penny doing the breakdowns. Dick said, do you

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Speaker 14: know what, after we beat the Chiefs.

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Speaker 8: It will be just to make the night.

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Speaker 2: It would bright. Look, I wouldn't hold your breath, but

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Speaker 2: I love the way you're thinking, And wouldn't it be

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Speaker 2: amazing just see Rob Penny breakdance. Look, he and Raisa

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Speaker 2: strike me as very different types of people. Even when

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Speaker 2: the final was went last night, they had a shot

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Speaker 2: of the coach's box. You might have seen this, and

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Speaker 2: it was just a smile of quiet satisfaction from Rob Penny.

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Speaker 2: There wasn't you know, first pumping or elation there was

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Speaker 2: around them. I think a few of his assistant coaches

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Speaker 2: were quite pumped up by all. But he sat there

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Speaker 2: and watched the last seven minutes after the siren and

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Speaker 2: just waited and waited and waited, and then a little

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Speaker 2: smile of satisfaction. So breakdancing, don't know, Brian, good to

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Speaker 2: chet to you mate, Kevin high mate.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, look, I'd like to have a talk about the Blues. Yes,

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Speaker 17: now I'd like to know how come the Blues coach

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Speaker 17: has still got a job.

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Speaker 2: Well, they didn't win it last year, Kevin. To be fair,

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Speaker 2: they won Super Rugby last year.

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Speaker 17: Well yeah, that's right. But here's here's the thing. The

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Speaker 17: amount of penalties against the Blues last night was more

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Speaker 17: than the points on the board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure that's necessarily vern Cottor's fault. Kevin. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: I'll let you continue, but I'm not sure that's vern

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Speaker 2: Cotta's fault. And he looks, say they won it last year,

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Speaker 2: He's got them to win in a game of the

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Speaker 2: Grand Final this year. So you know, I think his records,

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Speaker 2: you know, speaks for itself in that regard.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, well it does. But then you know, I played

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Speaker 17: senior rugby for many, many years, so you know, not

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Speaker 17: a Novicet. But here's the thing. What sort of coach

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Speaker 17: would allow the side the Blues I'm talking about throughout

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Speaker 17: the season that whenness points on the board, take them now,

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Speaker 17: he never rectiplied that. And then Parrett doing these aimless

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Speaker 17: picks up the center of the field for the opposition

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Speaker 17: to kick them back and Priss to lose ground. Now,

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Speaker 17: what the hell that's been happening all season?

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Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, Kevin, I think I think his job will

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Speaker 2: be safe. I do have to move because I've got

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Speaker 2: to get Nick Buoley on the air from christ Urch.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, they'ld of a review. I thought the Blues

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Speaker 2: were absolutely superb last week and beating the Chiefs. Showed

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Speaker 2: an immense resilience to come back and beat the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: last weekend. And I thought they were well in last

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Speaker 2: night and look, but for that incredible defense from the Crusaders.

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Speaker 2: Would be having potentially a different conversation today. Appreciate you

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Speaker 2: called nineteen two one. We're back in a moment with Nebula,

635
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Speaker 2: our Crusaders commentator.

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Speaker 1: Get caught off side.

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Speaker 2: Weekend Sports with Jason Paine and GJ.

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Speaker 1: Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder news talks'd be.

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Speaker 2: The Crusade tenos.

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Speaker 18: What a heart stopper, No fighter, no here lists. But

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Speaker 18: it's the Crusaders who fight the way w don't they

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Speaker 18: fight the way here at christ Church?

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Speaker 2: At playoff Rugby.

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Speaker 18: They host the final next week they've been at the

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Speaker 18: Blues tweety what points to fourteen?

646
00:32:42,707 --> 00:32:45,787
Speaker 2: That is the voice of Nick Beiley, Well the the

647
00:32:45,827 --> 00:32:49,067
Speaker 2: slightly shattered voice of Nick Bili, a match commentator for

648
00:32:49,187 --> 00:32:53,467
Speaker 2: Crusader's home games, brilliantly capturing the action as always. You've

649
00:32:53,467 --> 00:32:56,027
Speaker 2: got a final to course, even nights from now, Nick,

650
00:32:56,107 --> 00:32:58,547
Speaker 2: will there'd be enough time for your voice to recover.

651
00:33:00,107 --> 00:33:03,187
Speaker 10: Good afternoon final. Yeah, I'm just that's a pretty croaky

652
00:33:03,267 --> 00:33:06,987
Speaker 10: nick Yillie there last night. A couple of blood lemon

653
00:33:07,027 --> 00:33:11,347
Speaker 10: and honey teas. Since then on back to normal. But

654
00:33:11,827 --> 00:33:14,547
Speaker 10: gee was on an occasion it was. It was hard

655
00:33:14,587 --> 00:33:17,027
Speaker 10: not to get caught up and the emotion and the

656
00:33:17,067 --> 00:33:21,107
Speaker 10: excitement of it. A couple of Titans just going toe

657
00:33:21,147 --> 00:33:23,667
Speaker 10: to toe, what was it thirty eight thirty nine phases

658
00:33:23,707 --> 00:33:26,947
Speaker 10: they're deep into injury time, could have easily gone to

659
00:33:27,027 --> 00:33:30,907
Speaker 10: extra time, but just what we want in semi finals

660
00:33:30,907 --> 00:33:32,227
Speaker 10: football is an absolute ripper.

661
00:33:32,307 --> 00:33:35,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, you captured a beautifully an absolute armrest. Well, none

662
00:33:35,067 --> 00:33:38,387
Speaker 2: of this forty seven thirty nine defense optional, Rugman, we've

663
00:33:38,467 --> 00:33:41,187
Speaker 2: seen at some stages of the round robin. What sense

664
00:33:41,227 --> 00:33:44,507
Speaker 2: did you get about the intensity lift in this game

665
00:33:44,547 --> 00:33:45,987
Speaker 2: compared to previous ones.

666
00:33:47,147 --> 00:33:50,227
Speaker 10: I was huge, and talking to some of the players postmatch,

667
00:33:50,947 --> 00:33:52,947
Speaker 10: they said it was right up there in terms of

668
00:33:52,987 --> 00:33:55,107
Speaker 10: super rugby sort of knocking on the door as to

669
00:33:55,187 --> 00:33:58,827
Speaker 10: what they come up with or come up against when

670
00:33:58,867 --> 00:34:01,067
Speaker 10: they put on an All Blacks jersey, which says plenty,

671
00:34:01,667 --> 00:34:03,947
Speaker 10: and it was right from the outset. Finally, I thought

672
00:34:03,947 --> 00:34:07,987
Speaker 10: the way that the Blues just started, after how they

673
00:34:08,027 --> 00:34:11,027
Speaker 10: performed in Hamilton the previous week, they were right up

674
00:34:11,067 --> 00:34:13,547
Speaker 10: for it early, jumping out to that fourteen mil lead.

675
00:34:14,347 --> 00:34:17,347
Speaker 10: Every collision, you know, they were just fighting to get

676
00:34:17,387 --> 00:34:20,667
Speaker 10: over the advantage line. Both teams big hits. Of course,

677
00:34:20,707 --> 00:34:24,547
Speaker 10: we saw a couple of unfortunate instances where you know,

678
00:34:24,907 --> 00:34:27,267
Speaker 10: body position wasn't great from the defender and there were

679
00:34:27,387 --> 00:34:31,067
Speaker 10: yellow cards. But it was just, yeah, it was Some

680
00:34:31,187 --> 00:34:33,547
Speaker 10: of the collisions were just you could almost hear them

681
00:34:33,627 --> 00:34:37,227
Speaker 10: up in the commentary position, and that just extended, it

682
00:34:37,347 --> 00:34:40,267
Speaker 10: spilled over even a couple of occasions where you know,

683
00:34:40,307 --> 00:34:42,867
Speaker 10: the emotions perhaps got the better of both teams, but

684
00:34:43,787 --> 00:34:47,467
Speaker 10: it was it was just something I haven't witnessed certainly

685
00:34:47,547 --> 00:34:52,347
Speaker 10: this season in terms of the intensity, the physicality, and

686
00:34:53,307 --> 00:34:55,067
Speaker 10: no doubt that will continue into next week.

687
00:34:55,147 --> 00:34:57,987
Speaker 2: Yeah, and driven by, as you say, the emotion. There

688
00:34:57,547 --> 00:34:59,787
Speaker 2: does seem to be some real feeling out there, a

689
00:34:59,867 --> 00:35:02,547
Speaker 2: number of skirmishes, the reef having to ask the captain

690
00:35:02,667 --> 00:35:05,987
Speaker 2: to calm their teams down. Soever Reese shushing the Blues

691
00:35:05,987 --> 00:35:09,627
Speaker 2: at the year is that theis Auckland Canterbury rivalry that

692
00:35:09,707 --> 00:35:12,187
Speaker 2: rugby has been built on for many decades in this

693
00:35:12,267 --> 00:35:14,427
Speaker 2: country actually real again.

694
00:35:15,347 --> 00:35:18,307
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a really interesting point you make, because I

695
00:35:18,347 --> 00:35:20,867
Speaker 10: get the sin so I got the sense pre game

696
00:35:21,107 --> 00:35:25,747
Speaker 10: that in this era of professionalism where you know everyone

697
00:35:26,027 --> 00:35:27,747
Speaker 10: or there's a lot of crossover, you know, in a

698
00:35:27,787 --> 00:35:30,907
Speaker 10: few weeks time with the All Blacks assemble and play France.

699
00:35:31,027 --> 00:35:34,787
Speaker 10: You know these guys are teammates, not rivals that that

700
00:35:34,947 --> 00:35:38,427
Speaker 10: had maybe dissipated a touch, but it did feel last

701
00:35:38,507 --> 00:35:41,947
Speaker 10: night like a throwback to the Halcyon days where there

702
00:35:41,987 --> 00:35:45,427
Speaker 10: was absolutely no love loss. You are my enemy and

703
00:35:45,467 --> 00:35:47,707
Speaker 10: I must get through you, and I will do everything

704
00:35:47,747 --> 00:35:50,547
Speaker 10: in my power to get the job done for my team.

705
00:35:50,627 --> 00:35:54,307
Speaker 10: And I know the crowd loved it. There was, you know,

706
00:35:54,307 --> 00:35:57,947
Speaker 10: a cacophony of booing when a Blues player would make

707
00:35:57,987 --> 00:36:02,587
Speaker 10: an era or a blunder, and just to just overwhelming

708
00:36:02,747 --> 00:36:05,987
Speaker 10: noise when the Crusaders did something well, and I think

709
00:36:06,027 --> 00:36:10,787
Speaker 10: they did feed off that rivalry of the glory days.

710
00:36:10,827 --> 00:36:13,747
Speaker 10: And actually, speaking of Crusader's coach Brad Moore back in

711
00:36:13,747 --> 00:36:15,667
Speaker 10: the day, you know he was one who was just

712
00:36:15,827 --> 00:36:19,027
Speaker 10: saying during the week in the build up that you

713
00:36:19,067 --> 00:36:21,307
Speaker 10: know he was there in nineteen eighty five at Lancaster

714
00:36:21,347 --> 00:36:23,387
Speaker 10: Park with Auckland wrestled with the Ran from the Shield

715
00:36:23,427 --> 00:36:26,107
Speaker 10: Away from Canterbury. You've got guys like Rob Penny, the

716
00:36:26,107 --> 00:36:29,747
Speaker 10: Crusader's coach, have been around that Canterbury and Crusader's environment

717
00:36:29,787 --> 00:36:32,627
Speaker 10: now for a long long time. So I think they

718
00:36:32,667 --> 00:36:38,147
Speaker 10: did lean into that red Blue Canterbary Auckland rivalry, and

719
00:36:38,227 --> 00:36:40,467
Speaker 10: I think it's probably fair to stay it, though there'll

720
00:36:40,467 --> 00:36:42,907
Speaker 10: be a bit of recency bias that there was another

721
00:36:43,027 --> 00:36:44,027
Speaker 10: chapter to that legacy.

722
00:36:44,187 --> 00:36:47,507
Speaker 2: Indeed, and so the Crusaders into another final, which they

723
00:36:47,547 --> 00:36:51,187
Speaker 2: will host. With every passing week, Neck twenty twenty four

724
00:36:51,347 --> 00:36:54,987
Speaker 2: seems more and more like an outlier and an inexplicable,

725
00:36:55,387 --> 00:36:59,747
Speaker 2: unexplainable outlier. What on earth happened there last year?

726
00:37:00,787 --> 00:37:03,507
Speaker 10: Well, funny you should say that. It was actually put

727
00:37:03,667 --> 00:37:08,067
Speaker 10: to Rob Penny that very question last week and his

728
00:37:08,227 --> 00:37:11,707
Speaker 10: simple answer was, well, we didn't have about a dozen players.

729
00:37:11,787 --> 00:37:14,707
Speaker 10: And the follow up question was is it as simple

730
00:37:14,747 --> 00:37:17,147
Speaker 10: as that? And he just said, yes, Look, I think

731
00:37:17,547 --> 00:37:20,547
Speaker 10: it goes a little bit beyond that. However, when you

732
00:37:20,667 --> 00:37:24,467
Speaker 10: take Will Jordan out for a season, He's scored two

733
00:37:24,547 --> 00:37:27,707
Speaker 10: tries last night, when you take Scott Barrett out for

734
00:37:27,827 --> 00:37:29,907
Speaker 10: the majority of a season, we take Cody Taylor out

735
00:37:29,907 --> 00:37:31,987
Speaker 10: for the majority of the season. The Crusaders were down

736
00:37:32,467 --> 00:37:35,547
Speaker 10: to their fifth choice, first five eighth, and we know

737
00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:38,747
Speaker 10: how critical that position is in terms of getting to

738
00:37:38,867 --> 00:37:43,147
Speaker 10: the final and lifting a super Rapie Trophy. It is

739
00:37:43,867 --> 00:37:48,147
Speaker 10: not necessarily an excuse, but it is important context around

740
00:37:48,347 --> 00:37:51,027
Speaker 10: the Crusaders twenty twenty four season. If you look even deeper,

741
00:37:52,067 --> 00:37:56,107
Speaker 10: there were six games last year, Piney that the Crusader's

742
00:37:56,187 --> 00:37:58,747
Speaker 10: lost by seven points or less, and that has become

743
00:37:59,627 --> 00:38:02,787
Speaker 10: such a staple of Crusader's rugby over the last three

744
00:38:02,827 --> 00:38:05,747
Speaker 10: decades that they find a way to win. Losing actually

745
00:38:05,787 --> 00:38:08,507
Speaker 10: became a habit after so many years of winning being

746
00:38:08,547 --> 00:38:11,747
Speaker 10: a habit. So look, they changed a few things. They

747
00:38:11,827 --> 00:38:14,747
Speaker 10: changed some personnel around the captaincy and the leadership group.

748
00:38:14,787 --> 00:38:17,147
Speaker 10: I think David Harvily has risen to that occasion. Not

749
00:38:17,667 --> 00:38:20,747
Speaker 10: to say that Scott Barrett hasn't still been a leader

750
00:38:20,827 --> 00:38:22,707
Speaker 10: up there for the Crusaders, but it's just easy to

751
00:38:22,747 --> 00:38:27,747
Speaker 10: workload off him, and there's just a real purpose to

752
00:38:27,827 --> 00:38:31,867
Speaker 10: turn things around after what happened last year. And look,

753
00:38:32,947 --> 00:38:36,427
Speaker 10: you've got to your hat to Crusaders at board level

754
00:38:36,467 --> 00:38:39,987
Speaker 10: land management too, for perhaps you know, making it, making

755
00:38:40,027 --> 00:38:43,507
Speaker 10: what could have been a difficult decision at least externally,

756
00:38:43,547 --> 00:38:46,147
Speaker 10: with all the noise and pressure going around, to stay

757
00:38:46,227 --> 00:38:48,947
Speaker 10: with Rob Penny and the status quo to back this

758
00:38:49,067 --> 00:38:52,067
Speaker 10: team and look where they are now. They're the proofers

759
00:38:52,107 --> 00:38:52,507
Speaker 10: in the pudding.

760
00:38:52,787 --> 00:38:57,387
Speaker 2: So the life cycle of the wonderful Apollo Projects Stadium

761
00:38:57,947 --> 00:39:01,387
Speaker 2: was extended by another week. I asked David Harvily this earlier,

762
00:39:01,467 --> 00:39:04,107
Speaker 2: this hour. I'll ask you as well. Will any part

763
00:39:04,147 --> 00:39:07,307
Speaker 2: of you be sorry to say good bye to Eddington?

764
00:39:09,227 --> 00:39:13,627
Speaker 10: Oh? The core of me? Won't I have to. I

765
00:39:13,707 --> 00:39:15,907
Speaker 10: tend to thaw out for a couple of hours after

766
00:39:15,947 --> 00:39:19,707
Speaker 10: being at a Polo Project stadium finding. But look, I

767
00:39:19,707 --> 00:39:22,267
Speaker 10: think Brad Moore actually made a really good point earlier

768
00:39:22,267 --> 00:39:24,747
Speaker 10: in the week, reflecting on the history of Polo Project

769
00:39:24,747 --> 00:39:28,267
Speaker 10: Stadium and adding to big picture would where would the

770
00:39:28,307 --> 00:39:31,787
Speaker 10: Crusaders be without what was formerly known as Ragpa League

771
00:39:31,827 --> 00:39:35,627
Speaker 10: Park posted twenty eleven earthquakes, with no Lancaster Park, no home.

772
00:39:36,867 --> 00:39:40,907
Speaker 10: They stood that stadium up in about one hundred days,

773
00:39:41,787 --> 00:39:46,387
Speaker 10: and there's been some cherished memories there. Yes, it's a

774
00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:51,307
Speaker 10: tough sell for the punter. It is extraordinarily cold, particularly

775
00:39:51,307 --> 00:39:55,587
Speaker 10: at this time of the year. But yeah, I think

776
00:39:55,627 --> 00:39:58,227
Speaker 10: I will miss parts of it based on the memories

777
00:39:58,267 --> 00:40:01,027
Speaker 10: that have been made there. But look, it goes without

778
00:40:01,067 --> 00:40:05,227
Speaker 10: saying undeniably so I cannot wait to be in that

779
00:40:05,307 --> 00:40:10,307
Speaker 10: central city enclosed arena to Kaha at this time next

780
00:40:10,387 --> 00:40:14,187
Speaker 10: year and move forward into a new chapter with a

781
00:40:14,587 --> 00:40:19,067
Speaker 10: permanent home for the Crusaders and Canterbury Sport and Canterbury Events.

782
00:40:19,107 --> 00:40:20,107
Speaker 10: It's going to be fantastic.

783
00:40:20,387 --> 00:40:23,147
Speaker 2: Well, a year ago you had to watch on as

784
00:40:23,187 --> 00:40:25,267
Speaker 2: other members of the Gold Sport commentary team got to

785
00:40:25,307 --> 00:40:28,747
Speaker 2: call finals matches. You will be last man standing in

786
00:40:28,787 --> 00:40:31,107
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, so the rest of the voice terrific

787
00:40:31,107 --> 00:40:33,107
Speaker 2: work last night. Look forward to your call of the

788
00:40:33,107 --> 00:40:34,547
Speaker 2: final seven nights from now mate.

789
00:40:34,907 --> 00:40:37,427
Speaker 10: Thank you fining. It's an absolute privilege and thanks to

790
00:40:37,427 --> 00:40:39,587
Speaker 10: the Crusaders doing their part so I can have that

791
00:40:39,667 --> 00:40:40,747
Speaker 10: on and next week. Can't wait.

792
00:40:40,787 --> 00:40:45,147
Speaker 2: Good on you, mate, mcdilly our Crusaders commentator. Another terrific

793
00:40:45,227 --> 00:40:47,307
Speaker 2: call from him and the team last night Seven to

794
00:40:47,347 --> 00:40:48,067
Speaker 2: one News Talks.

795
00:40:47,947 --> 00:40:52,507
Speaker 1: EDB analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World.

796
00:40:52,667 --> 00:40:58,827
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport with Jason Vye Call News Talks eNB. Question

797
00:40:58,867 --> 00:41:00,987
Speaker 2: from Louise on text money do you have any tackling

798
00:41:01,027 --> 00:41:04,107
Speaker 2: stats please for Nule, Blackadder, Barrett and Leo Willie from

799
00:41:04,147 --> 00:41:06,347
Speaker 2: last night. Well, thankfully, Louise and he's on the job.

800
00:41:06,347 --> 00:41:10,467
Speaker 2: Boby's dug them up Fletcher Newell eighteen tackles Scott Barrett

801
00:41:10,747 --> 00:41:16,707
Speaker 2: eighteen tackles Christian Leo Willie, twenty tackles Ethan Blackadder, Get

802
00:41:16,747 --> 00:41:22,787
Speaker 2: This twenty nine tackles Last Night twenty nine. A few

803
00:41:22,787 --> 00:41:24,467
Speaker 2: of those will have been at the end, but even

804
00:41:24,507 --> 00:41:27,907
Speaker 2: so that is a huge body of work. Thank you

805
00:41:27,987 --> 00:41:29,987
Speaker 2: for asking the question, Luise. Thanks for your calls and

806
00:41:30,027 --> 00:41:35,307
Speaker 2: your correspondence about last night's game. We'll we'll review chief

807
00:41:35,307 --> 00:41:39,107
Speaker 2: S Brumby's tomorrow on the show after one o'clock, Secondary

808
00:41:39,107 --> 00:41:44,427
Speaker 2: School Sport and Year fourteen's coming back to Play Secondary

809
00:41:44,467 --> 00:41:45,267
Speaker 2: school Sport.

810
00:41:46,827 --> 00:41:49,747
Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

811
00:41:49,827 --> 00:41:53,547
Speaker 1: on and after fields. It's all on Wee Jam Sport

812
00:41:53,627 --> 00:41:56,787
Speaker 1: with Jason Taine on your Home of Sport.

813
00:41:57,707 --> 00:42:01,907
Speaker 2: In New York, Sibby News Talk Sibby and a Weekend Sport.

814
00:42:01,947 --> 00:42:03,947
Speaker 2: Welcome into the show at seven past one on Jason

815
00:42:03,987 --> 00:42:08,067
Speaker 2: Pine with any McDonald alongside. We're a couple of final

816
00:42:08,107 --> 00:42:12,587
Speaker 2: texts about last night's game before we move on from

817
00:42:12,587 --> 00:42:15,347
Speaker 2: Glenn on the twenty twenty four Crusaders. Not enough, as

818
00:42:15,387 --> 00:42:18,507
Speaker 2: mentioned about the back office changes when Razer got the

819
00:42:18,507 --> 00:42:21,347
Speaker 2: top job, it wasn't just a coach the Crusaders lost,

820
00:42:21,707 --> 00:42:27,107
Speaker 2: it was the entire team around him. Then add in Whitelock, Richie,

821
00:42:27,147 --> 00:42:29,667
Speaker 2: mu Wonga, good Hue and Less they're moving on and

822
00:42:29,747 --> 00:42:32,427
Speaker 2: all the injuries dead right Glynn. Someone else has pointed

823
00:42:32,427 --> 00:42:36,067
Speaker 2: out to me that the Crusaders had to use upwards

824
00:42:36,067 --> 00:42:39,147
Speaker 2: of fifty players last year because of all the injuries

825
00:42:39,187 --> 00:42:42,747
Speaker 2: that they had. This year they've used just forty players.

826
00:42:43,027 --> 00:42:47,507
Speaker 2: So it's definitely a factor. And in Rob Enny's words,

827
00:42:47,867 --> 00:42:50,787
Speaker 2: as Nick Buley told us before, one the major factor

828
00:42:51,027 --> 00:42:56,947
Speaker 2: personnel and the other text is a question if I

829
00:42:56,987 --> 00:43:01,227
Speaker 2: can locate it heritors Den, says Pontier. If the last

830
00:43:01,227 --> 00:43:05,107
Speaker 2: game is at Apollo Project Stadium next weekend, where will

831
00:43:05,147 --> 00:43:10,227
Speaker 2: the Crusaders be playing between February and April, when Takaha

832
00:43:10,267 --> 00:43:12,587
Speaker 2: will still not be open. Denn, It's a good question.

833
00:43:13,347 --> 00:43:15,907
Speaker 2: I haven't heard an exact opening dates yet, and I

834
00:43:15,947 --> 00:43:19,347
Speaker 2: think anecdotally and christ Church people might be able to

835
00:43:19,347 --> 00:43:21,987
Speaker 2: help me out here or help us out here. Anecdotally,

836
00:43:21,987 --> 00:43:24,787
Speaker 2: it feels like they're ahead of schedule. I'm not saying

837
00:43:24,827 --> 00:43:28,947
Speaker 2: they'll be able to open in February when the Super

838
00:43:29,027 --> 00:43:32,107
Speaker 2: Rugby season starts, but it might not be too long

839
00:43:32,147 --> 00:43:35,067
Speaker 2: after that, And I would say, and I'm just spitballing here,

840
00:43:35,227 --> 00:43:37,787
Speaker 2: but I would say that what the Crusaders will ask

841
00:43:37,907 --> 00:43:41,987
Speaker 2: for is to have their away games front loaded next year.

842
00:43:43,187 --> 00:43:46,107
Speaker 2: We don't know what the opening event yet is at

843
00:43:46,707 --> 00:43:49,547
Speaker 2: the new stadium either at Takaha that hasn't been announced

844
00:43:49,587 --> 00:43:54,107
Speaker 2: yet either. There's a body of thought that it should

845
00:43:54,107 --> 00:43:58,147
Speaker 2: be a big concert, for example, rather than a sporting fixture.

846
00:43:59,187 --> 00:44:03,587
Speaker 2: Super Round, we know is being discussed to be held

847
00:44:03,587 --> 00:44:07,347
Speaker 2: in christ Church next year. Jack Mesley, CEO of super

848
00:44:07,427 --> 00:44:10,187
Speaker 2: Rugby Pacific, told us that on this very show that

849
00:44:10,707 --> 00:44:13,707
Speaker 2: they're targeting tech Kaha for super Round. Maybe that'll be

850
00:44:13,707 --> 00:44:16,067
Speaker 2: the first time we see rugby there. I think they'd

851
00:44:16,067 --> 00:44:17,787
Speaker 2: probably want to have a dry run before that, not

852
00:44:17,827 --> 00:44:19,147
Speaker 2: a dry run, but they won't have a game there

853
00:44:19,147 --> 00:44:21,827
Speaker 2: before they have super Around there, I would say. But

854
00:44:21,907 --> 00:44:23,747
Speaker 2: I think that that would be the answer that I'd

855
00:44:23,747 --> 00:44:27,067
Speaker 2: have den there might be other options. I wouldn't imagine

856
00:44:27,107 --> 00:44:31,267
Speaker 2: that the Crusaders would play anywhere else in christ Church

857
00:44:31,867 --> 00:44:35,187
Speaker 2: apart from tech Kaha in twenty twenty six. That's my

858
00:44:35,267 --> 00:44:37,627
Speaker 2: gut on it. I guess we'll find out more as

859
00:44:37,667 --> 00:44:40,267
Speaker 2: construction continues. Anyone who's been to christ Church and those

860
00:44:40,707 --> 00:44:42,987
Speaker 2: who are listening in from the Garden City will know

861
00:44:43,027 --> 00:44:45,467
Speaker 2: how good it looks right there in the central city.

862
00:44:45,507 --> 00:44:47,267
Speaker 2: You can't miss it now. It must be so exciting

863
00:44:47,547 --> 00:44:49,307
Speaker 2: to drive past it and look at it and think, Man,

864
00:44:49,347 --> 00:44:52,507
Speaker 2: next year we're going to be in that venue watching

865
00:44:52,547 --> 00:44:59,787
Speaker 2: sport with modern day comfort, a roof, you know, up

866
00:44:59,867 --> 00:45:05,027
Speaker 2: to date facilities, tremendous Kido Jason if spoken says this

867
00:45:05,107 --> 00:45:07,427
Speaker 2: text to some of the electri on that job and

868
00:45:07,467 --> 00:45:10,507
Speaker 2: their targets for the Crusaders first home game to be

869
00:45:10,547 --> 00:45:13,587
Speaker 2: played at the new stadium. They're very cagey about dates,

870
00:45:14,107 --> 00:45:16,107
Speaker 2: but they are firm in the belief that the first

871
00:45:16,147 --> 00:45:18,747
Speaker 2: home game will be played there. Thank you, thank you.

872
00:45:18,787 --> 00:45:20,747
Speaker 2: See all this is the good thing about the show.

873
00:45:21,987 --> 00:45:25,387
Speaker 2: We you know, we ask a question and normally there's

874
00:45:25,387 --> 00:45:29,707
Speaker 2: an answer. I love it. I love it. Eleven past one.

875
00:45:29,787 --> 00:45:33,827
Speaker 2: It was reported this week that Marlborough Boys College, one

876
00:45:33,827 --> 00:45:37,427
Speaker 2: of the top rugby schools in the South Island, has

877
00:45:37,587 --> 00:45:42,427
Speaker 2: five year fourteen students in their first fifteen squad this season.

878
00:45:42,907 --> 00:45:44,867
Speaker 2: For those of us of my generation and a bit

879
00:45:44,907 --> 00:45:49,267
Speaker 2: old who we're talking about eighth formers now, the year

880
00:45:49,267 --> 00:45:53,507
Speaker 2: fourteen phenomenon, which sees students return for a sixth year

881
00:45:53,507 --> 00:45:57,787
Speaker 2: of high school for sporting purposes, has long been a

882
00:45:57,947 --> 00:46:01,107
Speaker 2: source of contention in secondary school sport. In fact, the

883
00:46:01,267 --> 00:46:04,747
Speaker 2: practice was banned in rowing earlier this year after a

884
00:46:04,747 --> 00:46:07,787
Speaker 2: small number of schools allowed students to return to row

885
00:46:07,907 --> 00:46:10,787
Speaker 2: at the Marty Cup, the national championships. So they said

886
00:46:10,827 --> 00:46:12,987
Speaker 2: no more of that, but it still seems to be

887
00:46:13,067 --> 00:46:16,707
Speaker 2: going on in other sports including rugby. How widespread is it,

888
00:46:16,787 --> 00:46:18,787
Speaker 2: has it gotten better, has it gotten worse? And are

889
00:46:18,827 --> 00:46:21,707
Speaker 2: there any steps in place to prevent it. Let's bring

890
00:46:21,747 --> 00:46:26,147
Speaker 2: in principal at Wellington's wrong Attai College and Deputy Chair

891
00:46:26,427 --> 00:46:30,147
Speaker 2: of the College Sport Wellington Board, Kevin Carter. Kevin, thanks

892
00:46:30,147 --> 00:46:32,147
Speaker 2: for joining us on Weekend Sport. You've seen the story

893
00:46:32,187 --> 00:46:37,107
Speaker 2: concerning Malber boys. What was your initial reaction to the story.

894
00:46:37,147 --> 00:46:41,187
Speaker 19: First of all, well, there are a number of reasons

895
00:46:41,187 --> 00:46:44,187
Speaker 19: why kids actually come back to school for a year fourteen,

896
00:46:44,347 --> 00:46:47,787
Speaker 19: so it's not a new phenomenon that students are doing this.

897
00:46:48,627 --> 00:46:51,267
Speaker 12: I suspect it, just what's brought it to the attentions

898
00:46:51,347 --> 00:46:54,067
Speaker 12: to share? A number of a third of the office

899
00:46:54,067 --> 00:47:01,107
Speaker 12: fiveteen are year fourteen students. I mean The other flashboart

900
00:47:01,107 --> 00:47:04,907
Speaker 12: has been rowing, as you mentioned, where some schools have

901
00:47:04,987 --> 00:47:07,987
Speaker 12: had you know, I've out of a rowing eight as

902
00:47:08,067 --> 00:47:10,107
Speaker 12: year fourteen's and then they leave at the end of

903
00:47:10,147 --> 00:47:12,987
Speaker 12: Marty Cup. That does sound a bit dodgy, I think

904
00:47:13,027 --> 00:47:17,307
Speaker 12: to many people, and that's why the school's rowing community

905
00:47:17,987 --> 00:47:20,987
Speaker 12: has moved to sort of put an end to that

906
00:47:21,267 --> 00:47:23,987
Speaker 12: type of thing happening. But there are lots of legitimate

907
00:47:24,067 --> 00:47:26,467
Speaker 12: reasons why kids come back to year fourteen and in

908
00:47:26,507 --> 00:47:30,787
Speaker 12: particular academic ones. They don't have the qualification, they need

909
00:47:31,067 --> 00:47:33,667
Speaker 12: to do what they want to do in their next

910
00:47:34,427 --> 00:47:36,667
Speaker 12: stage of their life, and so they'll come back to

911
00:47:36,747 --> 00:47:39,947
Speaker 12: complete the qualification. And we've had students at my school

912
00:47:39,987 --> 00:47:44,587
Speaker 12: do that as well. Generally speaking, across sports teams, if

913
00:47:44,627 --> 00:47:47,667
Speaker 12: there is a year fourteen in a school team, there

914
00:47:47,747 --> 00:47:50,627
Speaker 12: might be one, and I don't think that's a problem.

915
00:47:50,867 --> 00:47:53,747
Speaker 12: It's when there's such a large number that it becomes

916
00:47:53,787 --> 00:47:54,427
Speaker 12: an issue.

917
00:47:54,587 --> 00:47:57,947
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't think anybody would would say that

918
00:47:57,987 --> 00:48:02,507
Speaker 2: coming back to complete academic qualifications at an academic institution,

919
00:48:02,707 --> 00:48:05,627
Speaker 2: a secondary school was that. There's nothing wrong with that, Kevin.

920
00:48:05,667 --> 00:48:09,547
Speaker 2: It's obviously it's I think the right course of action

921
00:48:09,747 --> 00:48:14,667
Speaker 2: for many students. Do you think there is, though I

922
00:48:14,707 --> 00:48:21,987
Speaker 2: don't know, you a practice of students being encouraged to

923
00:48:22,027 --> 00:48:26,307
Speaker 2: come back for that year fourteen with the intent of

924
00:48:26,347 --> 00:48:28,187
Speaker 2: them participating in sport.

925
00:48:29,227 --> 00:48:33,307
Speaker 12: Look, I couldn't comment on that. I have no idea.

926
00:48:33,627 --> 00:48:36,667
Speaker 12: I'd hate to think that that was happening if it was,

927
00:48:36,987 --> 00:48:40,627
Speaker 12: because it's wrong. It has to be about the academics.

928
00:48:41,467 --> 00:48:45,307
Speaker 12: There has to be some purpose in sports, not necessarily,

929
00:48:45,307 --> 00:48:48,627
Speaker 12: in my opinion, the right purpose for coming back to

930
00:48:48,667 --> 00:48:54,187
Speaker 12: school for another term or even you know, two thirds

931
00:48:54,187 --> 00:48:58,227
Speaker 12: of the or three quarters of a year. So I'd

932
00:48:58,307 --> 00:49:02,427
Speaker 12: hate to think that there were schools out there encouraging

933
00:49:02,507 --> 00:49:06,747
Speaker 12: students to come back solely to boost their sports team.

934
00:49:07,147 --> 00:49:10,627
Speaker 2: Are there any hard and fast rules around year fourteen's

935
00:49:11,187 --> 00:49:12,947
Speaker 2: participating in sport?

936
00:49:15,027 --> 00:49:18,267
Speaker 12: It's not hard and fast about year fourteens.

937
00:49:18,267 --> 00:49:19,227
Speaker 16: It's about age.

938
00:49:19,787 --> 00:49:22,507
Speaker 12: There are limits to the age that students can play,

939
00:49:22,587 --> 00:49:28,427
Speaker 12: although rowing has brought in some rulings on that and

940
00:49:28,507 --> 00:49:34,347
Speaker 12: the rugby age age limits have have been looked at

941
00:49:34,387 --> 00:49:38,107
Speaker 12: as well. So it's an age based thing. Is the

942
00:49:38,107 --> 00:49:42,947
Speaker 12: only is the only thing that restricts someone from So

943
00:49:43,027 --> 00:49:44,907
Speaker 12: you couldn't have someone who's twenty one playing in the

944
00:49:44,907 --> 00:49:46,027
Speaker 12: fear susteam for us.

945
00:49:46,107 --> 00:49:49,507
Speaker 2: No, No, of course not. But I mean, should there

946
00:49:49,547 --> 00:49:53,187
Speaker 2: be a rule. Should there be a rule, just for example, Kevin,

947
00:49:52,587 --> 00:49:56,827
Speaker 2: that once you've had you know that five calendar years

948
00:49:56,867 --> 00:50:00,067
Speaker 2: from your year nine year beyond that point you don't

949
00:50:00,067 --> 00:50:01,947
Speaker 2: play school sport. Would that work?

950
00:50:03,227 --> 00:50:06,747
Speaker 12: I'm sure that if that was put in place that

951
00:50:06,907 --> 00:50:12,187
Speaker 12: they'd be it would be able to be enforced, I think.

952
00:50:12,867 --> 00:50:15,347
Speaker 12: But the reality is, of course, let's not forget there's

953
00:50:15,347 --> 00:50:17,867
Speaker 12: not a lot of year fourteens, and it's only when

954
00:50:18,507 --> 00:50:22,947
Speaker 12: there seems to be this confluence of them in one

955
00:50:22,987 --> 00:50:25,987
Speaker 12: particular team that it seems to be an issue. So

956
00:50:26,107 --> 00:50:28,787
Speaker 12: if there was, you know, one player out of fifteen

957
00:50:28,827 --> 00:50:31,587
Speaker 12: and a verse fifteen who's in the year fourteen, is

958
00:50:31,627 --> 00:50:33,587
Speaker 12: there going to be a problem with that? Probably not,

959
00:50:34,027 --> 00:50:35,987
Speaker 12: But when there's five there might be seem to be

960
00:50:36,027 --> 00:50:36,627
Speaker 12: an issue.

961
00:50:37,147 --> 00:50:38,947
Speaker 2: Has this been something you've been aware of in the

962
00:50:38,947 --> 00:50:43,307
Speaker 2: Wellington region? This is a Marlborough example, but it's just

963
00:50:43,347 --> 00:50:46,347
Speaker 2: the latest example. Has there been Has there been similar

964
00:50:46,387 --> 00:50:48,747
Speaker 2: sort of things in the Wellington region and in your patch?

965
00:50:49,707 --> 00:50:51,187
Speaker 15: Not that I'm aware of.

966
00:50:51,947 --> 00:50:55,747
Speaker 12: Certainly in my time as principal at my school, I

967
00:50:55,747 --> 00:50:58,867
Speaker 12: think we may have had two year fourteens over the

968
00:50:58,907 --> 00:51:02,347
Speaker 12: sixteen years that I've been principal who have played firstive

969
00:51:02,347 --> 00:51:06,067
Speaker 12: teen several years apart, and they've all come back for

970
00:51:06,187 --> 00:51:11,027
Speaker 12: the academic reasons and bona fide pupils of the school.

971
00:51:11,387 --> 00:51:13,547
Speaker 12: I know there is at least one Wellington school that

972
00:51:13,667 --> 00:51:16,907
Speaker 12: does have a rule that they enforce themselves. There will

973
00:51:16,907 --> 00:51:20,267
Speaker 12: be no for year fourteens in our fear susteen and

974
00:51:20,307 --> 00:51:20,907
Speaker 12: good on them.

975
00:51:21,867 --> 00:51:26,027
Speaker 2: Would you like to see that even not necessarily you

976
00:51:26,067 --> 00:51:28,307
Speaker 2: know ingrained in law, but would you like to see

977
00:51:28,307 --> 00:51:29,787
Speaker 2: more schools follow suit in that way?

978
00:51:30,787 --> 00:51:33,947
Speaker 12: I think it is something for the schools to think

979
00:51:33,947 --> 00:51:40,307
Speaker 12: about themselves, whether it became a regulation, as I say,

980
00:51:41,587 --> 00:51:44,347
Speaker 12: if it prevents five or six in a rowing crew

981
00:51:44,587 --> 00:51:47,427
Speaker 12: or a rugby team, that's something that people may have

982
00:51:47,467 --> 00:51:47,907
Speaker 12: to look at.

983
00:51:48,587 --> 00:51:50,827
Speaker 2: When you're trying to attract students to your school and

984
00:51:51,147 --> 00:51:53,427
Speaker 2: I know you've got open days coming up, open evenings

985
00:51:53,427 --> 00:51:53,987
Speaker 2: coming up, and.

986
00:51:54,587 --> 00:51:55,547
Speaker 15: We're hours this week.

987
00:51:55,587 --> 00:51:58,027
Speaker 2: Oh there you go, well and always came to attract

988
00:51:58,347 --> 00:52:01,827
Speaker 2: attract new students to your school. How important is sport

989
00:52:02,147 --> 00:52:04,507
Speaker 2: and the offering of sport in that conversation?

990
00:52:05,547 --> 00:52:06,107
Speaker 15: Oh, look at it.

991
00:52:06,467 --> 00:52:10,347
Speaker 12: It's part of the wider picture of what happens at schools,

992
00:52:10,427 --> 00:52:13,947
Speaker 12: and you know, it is an important thing, and certainly

993
00:52:14,227 --> 00:52:16,627
Speaker 12: at our school it's something that you know, we encourage

994
00:52:16,667 --> 00:52:19,947
Speaker 12: kids to pay spots. Around eighty percent of our boys

995
00:52:20,387 --> 00:52:22,987
Speaker 12: play at least one sport for the school during the

996
00:52:22,987 --> 00:52:26,267
Speaker 12: course of the year, and so that's something we highlight.

997
00:52:26,307 --> 00:52:29,707
Speaker 12: And of course we also highlight, you know, the kids

998
00:52:29,707 --> 00:52:32,307
Speaker 12: that have done really well at sport, and when our

999
00:52:32,347 --> 00:52:36,427
Speaker 12: teams have done well, we highlight that as well. So, yeah,

1000
00:52:36,547 --> 00:52:39,307
Speaker 12: sport's an important part of that attraction, but no more

1001
00:52:39,347 --> 00:52:43,267
Speaker 12: important than the cultural aspects of the school and of

1002
00:52:43,307 --> 00:52:44,827
Speaker 12: course the academic ones as well.

1003
00:52:45,987 --> 00:52:51,627
Speaker 2: Is there ego at play in the secondary school sporting landscape, Kevin?

1004
00:52:51,667 --> 00:52:57,227
Speaker 2: You know, headmasters, principals, coaches chasing sporting success by whatever

1005
00:52:57,307 --> 00:52:58,907
Speaker 2: means is available to them.

1006
00:52:59,387 --> 00:53:03,987
Speaker 12: I'm sure that whether it's ego or some other marketing tools,

1007
00:53:05,027 --> 00:53:07,947
Speaker 12: that there is that happen, you know, scholarships being offered

1008
00:53:07,987 --> 00:53:12,067
Speaker 12: to students to change schools and play in the use

1009
00:53:12,107 --> 00:53:14,547
Speaker 12: of team and I mean it's one of the reasons

1010
00:53:14,587 --> 00:53:20,027
Speaker 12: we have new to school regulations across the whole New

1011
00:53:20,107 --> 00:53:24,467
Speaker 12: Zealand secondary school sporting scene that there are limits to

1012
00:53:24,507 --> 00:53:26,907
Speaker 12: how many new to school players there can be in

1013
00:53:26,947 --> 00:53:27,707
Speaker 12: sports teams.

1014
00:53:27,987 --> 00:53:30,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just explain that to us. So basically, you can't.

1015
00:53:30,907 --> 00:53:32,947
Speaker 2: You can't buy in for one of a better phrase,

1016
00:53:33,467 --> 00:53:36,587
Speaker 2: an entire sports team for a year thirteen year for example.

1017
00:53:37,227 --> 00:53:42,747
Speaker 12: No, you couldn't. You're different sports have different numbers that

1018
00:53:42,827 --> 00:53:47,347
Speaker 12: you can have in your squads on a match day,

1019
00:53:47,427 --> 00:53:50,307
Speaker 12: which which might be three or four for instance in

1020
00:53:50,347 --> 00:53:53,387
Speaker 12: a rugby In a rugby team here in Wellington, it

1021
00:53:53,547 --> 00:53:56,787
Speaker 12: is three players out of the squad of twenty two

1022
00:53:57,227 --> 00:53:59,347
Speaker 12: that can be new to the school. And by that

1023
00:53:59,867 --> 00:54:02,267
Speaker 12: it's within the last eighteen months of coming to the

1024
00:54:02,267 --> 00:54:03,747
Speaker 12: school and no more than that.

1025
00:54:04,267 --> 00:54:06,867
Speaker 2: And you talked before about you use the word marketing,

1026
00:54:06,867 --> 00:54:08,547
Speaker 2: which I guess it is. You know, you're marketing your

1027
00:54:08,587 --> 00:54:12,947
Speaker 2: school to prospective students, and I guess you're a competitive

1028
00:54:13,027 --> 00:54:15,347
Speaker 2: market Kevin. Where you are you got Scott's College just

1029
00:54:15,387 --> 00:54:17,707
Speaker 2: down the road, You've got Wellington College and Pats Town

1030
00:54:17,747 --> 00:54:21,827
Speaker 2: a Catholic school, and others as well. Is it competitive

1031
00:54:21,827 --> 00:54:24,107
Speaker 2: to try and get students, not just good sporting students,

1032
00:54:24,227 --> 00:54:25,707
Speaker 2: but good students to your school?

1033
00:54:26,267 --> 00:54:27,507
Speaker 15: Oh?

1034
00:54:27,547 --> 00:54:31,307
Speaker 12: Of course it is because all of our government funding

1035
00:54:31,467 --> 00:54:35,147
Speaker 12: is determined by the numbers of students we have. Our

1036
00:54:35,187 --> 00:54:39,587
Speaker 12: staffing is determined in the state sector, in state integrated sector,

1037
00:54:40,267 --> 00:54:42,187
Speaker 12: by the number of students we have in our school.

1038
00:54:42,507 --> 00:54:46,147
Speaker 12: And herefore marketing the school and getting kids through the

1039
00:54:46,187 --> 00:54:47,387
Speaker 12: gate is really important.

1040
00:54:47,787 --> 00:54:51,147
Speaker 2: Well, you will forever be Artie Savier's school, Kevin, not

1041
00:54:51,187 --> 00:54:52,987
Speaker 2: that I'm sure you use that as a as a

1042
00:54:53,027 --> 00:54:56,627
Speaker 2: marketing tool. You might, but you'll always be Artie Savia's school.

1043
00:54:57,107 --> 00:55:02,827
Speaker 12: We will. And Julian Saves and Winston Rufus there you go.

1044
00:55:02,947 --> 00:55:06,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an honor roll, honor roll, which is which

1045
00:55:06,227 --> 00:55:08,187
Speaker 2: is It's very impressive. Kevin, thank you for joining us

1046
00:55:08,227 --> 00:55:10,507
Speaker 2: this afternoon to add some perspective. I know our listeners

1047
00:55:10,507 --> 00:55:13,427
Speaker 2: will have a bit to say. I appreciate your time. Cool,

1048
00:55:13,507 --> 00:55:16,347
Speaker 2: thank you, No, thank you, Kevin. Kevin Carter a Wrongotai

1049
00:55:16,387 --> 00:55:19,747
Speaker 2: College Principal and Deputy Chair of the College Sport Wellington Board.

1050
00:55:20,547 --> 00:55:22,467
Speaker 2: Your chance to react now. I want to hear your

1051
00:55:22,507 --> 00:55:26,507
Speaker 2: stories and your reaction to this eight hundred and eighty

1052
00:55:26,627 --> 00:55:30,507
Speaker 2: ten eighty. As Kevin said, quite rightly, there are many

1053
00:55:30,867 --> 00:55:36,227
Speaker 2: legitimate cases of year fourteen students coming back to complete

1054
00:55:36,267 --> 00:55:40,827
Speaker 2: their education. But they are legitimate because of that reason.

1055
00:55:41,667 --> 00:55:46,147
Speaker 2: Education that's what a school is. It's an institution whose

1056
00:55:46,147 --> 00:55:49,867
Speaker 2: primary focus is to educate and prepare teenagers for the

1057
00:55:49,907 --> 00:55:55,027
Speaker 2: real world. Now, yes, of course, extra curricular activities, including sport,

1058
00:55:55,227 --> 00:55:58,947
Speaker 2: are an important part of that, and playing sport for

1059
00:55:59,027 --> 00:56:02,387
Speaker 2: your school is something that the vast majority of high

1060
00:56:02,387 --> 00:56:04,667
Speaker 2: school students take the opportunity to do. Kevin just said

1061
00:56:04,667 --> 00:56:07,467
Speaker 2: what eighty percent of his due and so WRONGATAI do it?

1062
00:56:07,667 --> 00:56:10,427
Speaker 2: I'd imagine at most schools it would be well over half.

1063
00:56:10,467 --> 00:56:14,307
Speaker 2: And I know many of us have very fond memories

1064
00:56:14,347 --> 00:56:18,107
Speaker 2: of representing our school on the sports field. I know

1065
00:56:18,227 --> 00:56:22,107
Speaker 2: I do. I often think heack to know the very,

1066
00:56:22,387 --> 00:56:25,267
Speaker 2: very poor cricket and football I played when I was

1067
00:56:25,267 --> 00:56:28,347
Speaker 2: at school. But it is a part of the school experience.

1068
00:56:28,387 --> 00:56:33,787
Speaker 2: Where it gets murky and dodgy is when students come

1069
00:56:33,827 --> 00:56:39,507
Speaker 2: back under the rationale of completing their education, play sport

1070
00:56:39,547 --> 00:56:43,307
Speaker 2: while they're there, and then mysteriously disappear after the season

1071
00:56:43,387 --> 00:56:46,187
Speaker 2: is over, with their education record not complete it or

1072
00:56:46,227 --> 00:56:52,027
Speaker 2: even improved. Another thing that putting year fourteens into sports

1073
00:56:52,067 --> 00:56:55,387
Speaker 2: teams does is blocks the way for year eleven, twelve

1074
00:56:55,427 --> 00:56:58,387
Speaker 2: and thirteens. For six and seven formers, those who are

1075
00:56:58,467 --> 00:57:02,147
Speaker 2: legitimately there from playing in those teams. Imagine having your

1076
00:57:02,747 --> 00:57:05,427
Speaker 2: path to a team that you've aspired to be a

1077
00:57:05,467 --> 00:57:13,907
Speaker 2: part of blocked by year fourteens. I honestly believe that

1078
00:57:14,027 --> 00:57:21,227
Speaker 2: in many cases this is largely about ego. Headmasters, sports coordinators, coaches,

1079
00:57:21,867 --> 00:57:25,147
Speaker 2: not all of them, but some who feel better about

1080
00:57:25,187 --> 00:57:28,627
Speaker 2: themselves if their sports teams are winning. Look, there is

1081
00:57:28,747 --> 00:57:32,467
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with wanting your school to be successful in

1082
00:57:32,547 --> 00:57:35,427
Speaker 2: everything they do, including the sport that they play. But

1083
00:57:35,507 --> 00:57:40,107
Speaker 2: when you're bringing back older students to achieve that success,

1084
00:57:40,147 --> 00:57:44,547
Speaker 2: that is ego driven, pure and simple. Nothing else that

1085
00:57:44,667 --> 00:57:49,827
Speaker 2: is entirely driven by ego. Now, surely this can be

1086
00:57:49,867 --> 00:57:54,667
Speaker 2: easily easily fixed. Easily fixed. Here it is you have

1087
00:57:55,147 --> 00:57:59,547
Speaker 2: five consecutive calendar years to play sport for your school.

1088
00:58:01,427 --> 00:58:03,827
Speaker 2: They start when you start secondary school in year nine

1089
00:58:03,947 --> 00:58:06,907
Speaker 2: in the third form, and they end five years later.

1090
00:58:07,267 --> 00:58:12,107
Speaker 2: And that includes switching schools five calendar years from the

1091
00:58:12,187 --> 00:58:14,427
Speaker 2: year that you start secondary school to play sport.

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00:58:14,507 --> 00:58:14,827
Speaker 15: That's it.

1093
00:58:16,667 --> 00:58:19,747
Speaker 2: Make that the blanket rule and enforce it and this

1094
00:58:19,867 --> 00:58:24,067
Speaker 2: problem stops immediately. Year fourteens can still come back, of

1095
00:58:24,067 --> 00:58:27,987
Speaker 2: course they can, and, as I say, legitimately to improve

1096
00:58:28,027 --> 00:58:33,547
Speaker 2: their education to complete their education, no problem, they don't

1097
00:58:33,547 --> 00:58:38,707
Speaker 2: play sport. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine

1098
00:58:38,667 --> 00:58:40,667
Speaker 2: to two on text. That's got the lines.

1099
00:58:40,867 --> 00:58:46,867
Speaker 20: Hello Simon, Hey Piny, good to hear this conversation. As

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00:58:46,907 --> 00:58:48,707
Speaker 20: you know, I had a little bit of an involvement

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00:58:48,747 --> 00:58:50,627
Speaker 20: in the Rongo Fife first eleven last year and the

1102
00:58:50,707 --> 00:58:51,227
Speaker 20: year before.

1103
00:58:51,747 --> 00:58:52,267
Speaker 2: Yep.

1104
00:58:54,107 --> 00:58:55,947
Speaker 20: Last year was a revelation when we went to the

1105
00:58:56,027 --> 00:58:58,947
Speaker 20: national tournament and saw the resources of some of the

1106
00:58:59,427 --> 00:59:03,347
Speaker 20: secondary schools in Auckland, you know, like the academies and

1107
00:59:04,187 --> 00:59:07,627
Speaker 20: the way that some school was set up, you know,

1108
00:59:07,707 --> 00:59:11,587
Speaker 20: to promote the foster football, which is which is a

1109
00:59:11,587 --> 00:59:15,827
Speaker 20: great thing. I agree with you that year that they

1110
00:59:15,827 --> 00:59:18,627
Speaker 20: shouldn't be yes here at four the ends. It should

1111
00:59:18,667 --> 00:59:24,067
Speaker 20: be an even balanced playing field. The thing with some

1112
00:59:24,267 --> 00:59:30,787
Speaker 20: colleges though, they attract their their sports people through the

1113
00:59:30,867 --> 00:59:34,107
Speaker 20: culture and the traditions, wrong size like that. It's like

1114
00:59:34,187 --> 00:59:38,267
Speaker 20: that with with both it's football and it's great at

1115
00:59:38,387 --> 00:59:42,467
Speaker 20: various other sports. And I think you heard how balanced

1116
00:59:42,467 --> 00:59:45,947
Speaker 20: and how fair and reasonable Kevin Carter is, you know,

1117
00:59:46,067 --> 00:59:49,667
Speaker 20: and that that attracts kids as well. But you're quite right,

1118
00:59:49,867 --> 00:59:53,267
Speaker 20: there are some principles and there are some coaches that

1119
00:59:53,907 --> 00:59:57,787
Speaker 20: go beyond what is fair and reasonable. It's hard to control.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you think a blanket rule should be in force? Simon?

1121
01:00:02,067 --> 01:00:04,907
Speaker 2: I know, And it sounded in talking to Kevin Carter

1122
01:00:04,987 --> 01:00:09,107
Speaker 2: as though schools enforce this internally, they make the decision themselves,

1123
01:00:09,107 --> 01:00:11,067
Speaker 2: and he talked about one school there that is said

1124
01:00:11,107 --> 01:00:13,787
Speaker 2: log at our school, Yeah, forteens don't play sport. That's

1125
01:00:13,907 --> 01:00:15,947
Speaker 2: a decision we've made. Do you think it would be

1126
01:00:15,987 --> 01:00:17,587
Speaker 2: helpful to have a blanket rule?

1127
01:00:18,747 --> 01:00:24,467
Speaker 20: Absolutely? Yeah, you know it's you mentioned, or I think

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Speaker 20: Kevin might have mentioned that one one player doesn't make

1129
01:00:27,267 --> 01:00:30,347
Speaker 20: a difference. One plan does make a difference at times,

1130
01:00:30,707 --> 01:00:32,547
Speaker 20: and if that that player happens.

1131
01:00:32,227 --> 01:00:32,507
Speaker 5: To be.

1132
01:00:34,067 --> 01:00:38,267
Speaker 20: Out of the range, you know, your your your, there

1133
01:00:38,387 --> 01:00:41,787
Speaker 20: is that imbalance, and I think that you know, having

1134
01:00:41,827 --> 01:00:45,467
Speaker 20: that that blanket rolling, I think would be a good thing.

1135
01:00:45,467 --> 01:00:50,267
Speaker 20: It would avoid all the other stuff that crops up.

1136
01:00:50,547 --> 01:00:53,027
Speaker 20: You know, it clarifies things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dead right, Simon. Good to chat to your mate,

1138
01:00:56,027 --> 01:01:01,987
Speaker 2: Go well, drive safe, always enjoy hearing your opinion. Text

1139
01:01:01,987 --> 01:01:05,787
Speaker 2: here that Auckland one A Principles have agreed to no

1140
01:01:05,947 --> 01:01:09,267
Speaker 2: year four teams playing from twenty twenty six. Okay, I

1141
01:01:09,307 --> 01:01:12,147
Speaker 2: can only assume that's true. Texts came through, can only

1142
01:01:12,187 --> 01:01:18,267
Speaker 2: assume that's true. If so brilliant, terrific so within the

1143
01:01:18,267 --> 01:01:20,467
Speaker 2: Auckland system, which seems to get the spotlight on it

1144
01:01:20,507 --> 01:01:23,347
Speaker 2: for trying to attract the best players not just from

1145
01:01:23,387 --> 01:01:25,667
Speaker 2: inside the Auckland region but from outside it as well.

1146
01:01:26,507 --> 01:01:30,747
Speaker 2: For them to have made that decision, kudos, great decision.

1147
01:01:31,907 --> 01:01:33,827
Speaker 2: And so maybe it is something that just gets made,

1148
01:01:34,627 --> 01:01:37,147
Speaker 2: you know, region by region to start with. Eventually it

1149
01:01:37,187 --> 01:01:41,507
Speaker 2: may well be that somebody and the Ministry of Education

1150
01:01:41,627 --> 01:01:45,067
Speaker 2: or whoever it might be, deems this worthy of a

1151
01:01:45,067 --> 01:01:51,707
Speaker 2: blanket rule. But I love that from the Auckland one

1152
01:01:51,787 --> 01:01:56,227
Speaker 2: A principles getting us getting so many texts through here

1153
01:01:56,267 --> 01:01:58,787
Speaker 2: about example saying this isn't new. I know it's not new.

1154
01:01:59,587 --> 01:02:01,067
Speaker 2: I know it's not new, but yeah, let's get to

1155
01:02:01,107 --> 01:02:02,187
Speaker 2: the lines. If you want to make your point, give

1156
01:02:02,227 --> 01:02:03,587
Speaker 2: us a yell. I eight one hundred and eighty ten

1157
01:02:03,667 --> 01:02:07,467
Speaker 2: eighty JF Hi here look.

1158
01:02:07,347 --> 01:02:10,387
Speaker 21: Going back, I used to play first fifteen back in

1159
01:02:10,427 --> 01:02:13,947
Speaker 21: the mid seventies for a school in Mikadow, and we

1160
01:02:14,027 --> 01:02:16,707
Speaker 21: used to last. One particular team we played. You know,

1161
01:02:16,747 --> 01:02:19,347
Speaker 21: these guys are about twenty and the laugh. Was that,

1162
01:02:19,467 --> 01:02:22,827
Speaker 21: you know, they're probably second two or three years doing school.

1163
01:02:22,867 --> 01:02:23,067
Speaker 4: Seed.

1164
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Speaker 21: My point is that if it's restricted to age, you know,

1165
01:02:28,507 --> 01:02:31,907
Speaker 21: it's apples with apples. It doesn't matter if they've been

1166
01:02:32,107 --> 01:02:36,027
Speaker 21: at school for six years, but for five years secondary school.

1167
01:02:36,027 --> 01:02:39,147
Speaker 21: But you know, if they're eighteen year olds playing eighteen

1168
01:02:39,187 --> 01:02:41,467
Speaker 21: year old or the maximum age is eighteen, that gets

1169
01:02:41,467 --> 01:02:42,987
Speaker 21: away with that problem.

1170
01:02:43,427 --> 01:02:45,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does it though, does it because you could

1171
01:02:45,547 --> 01:02:49,307
Speaker 2: you can be eighteen in your sixth year of secondary school.

1172
01:02:52,027 --> 01:02:55,227
Speaker 21: Yeah, I understand that, but again, the physicality, you know,

1173
01:02:55,787 --> 01:02:58,947
Speaker 21: growing up an eighteen year old is similar to any

1174
01:02:58,947 --> 01:02:59,827
Speaker 21: other eighteen year old.

1175
01:03:01,627 --> 01:03:05,787
Speaker 2: Yeah. I again, I'm not sure that's true. I've seen

1176
01:03:06,347 --> 01:03:09,227
Speaker 2: I've seen lot all shapes and sizes of fourteen year olds,

1177
01:03:09,227 --> 01:03:11,867
Speaker 2: fifteen year olds, sixteen year olds. I think that what

1178
01:03:12,827 --> 01:03:16,827
Speaker 2: I guess the heart of the issue, Jeff is if

1179
01:03:16,867 --> 01:03:19,787
Speaker 2: they are there for you know, to complete their education,

1180
01:03:20,587 --> 01:03:22,947
Speaker 2: you know, and it needs a sixthy year for them

1181
01:03:22,987 --> 01:03:27,147
Speaker 2: to do that, then great, do it. But if they're

1182
01:03:27,187 --> 01:03:30,427
Speaker 2: there for the express purpose or even you know, even

1183
01:03:30,467 --> 01:03:33,107
Speaker 2: if it's not made absolutely clear, but if they're there

1184
01:03:33,787 --> 01:03:36,427
Speaker 2: because the first fifteen coach or whoever it might be,

1185
01:03:37,387 --> 01:03:39,067
Speaker 2: thinks that their team has a better chance of winning

1186
01:03:39,107 --> 01:03:42,027
Speaker 2: rugby matches of that bloke's there, then that's the wrong reason.

1187
01:03:43,747 --> 01:03:46,347
Speaker 21: No, I agree with that it should be tied to

1188
01:03:46,427 --> 01:03:48,627
Speaker 21: scholastic ability as well as sports.

1189
01:03:48,947 --> 01:03:50,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, good man, Jeff, great to hear from you. Eight

1190
01:03:50,747 --> 01:03:53,467
Speaker 2: things indeed. Yeah, Look, there are many shapes and sizes.

1191
01:03:53,587 --> 01:03:56,187
Speaker 2: I'm sure anyone who's got teenagers or who has been

1192
01:03:56,227 --> 01:04:01,187
Speaker 2: around teenagers knows. You know, I remember our first fifteen,

1193
01:04:01,547 --> 01:04:03,067
Speaker 2: not that I was in it. I stayed well away

1194
01:04:03,067 --> 01:04:05,027
Speaker 2: from that, but I remember our first fifteen playing against

1195
01:04:05,067 --> 01:04:07,147
Speaker 2: teams and you know, is that the other team at

1196
01:04:07,187 --> 01:04:09,627
Speaker 2: full beards? You know, they're like they're like an All

1197
01:04:09,667 --> 01:04:12,747
Speaker 2: Black's front row. You know, these guys aren't our age.

1198
01:04:14,307 --> 01:04:17,947
Speaker 13: Jeremy, Hello, Yeah, hey fine, I just listening to your call.

1199
01:04:18,027 --> 01:04:23,867
Speaker 13: It's quite interesting the principle from Rogantide talking about academic

1200
01:04:23,947 --> 01:04:26,587
Speaker 13: correct and who their goal.

1201
01:04:27,067 --> 01:04:30,387
Speaker 8: Yeah, so here's a career now on Sport.

1202
01:04:31,067 --> 01:04:35,347
Speaker 13: Hurricanes two or fifteen rugby league. So if you're not

1203
01:04:35,427 --> 01:04:37,147
Speaker 13: quite on the pace and you come back for another

1204
01:04:37,227 --> 01:04:39,227
Speaker 13: year and three or fifteen, what's the difference.

1205
01:04:40,067 --> 01:04:42,627
Speaker 2: Well, I guess you've had five years to do it.

1206
01:04:43,227 --> 01:04:45,387
Speaker 2: And I know you'll say you've had five years to

1207
01:04:45,427 --> 01:04:47,747
Speaker 2: do the education stuff as well. It's an interesting point

1208
01:04:47,747 --> 01:04:49,707
Speaker 2: you make, Jeremy. Yeah, it's an interesting thing.

1209
01:04:49,827 --> 01:04:50,387
Speaker 13: I understand.

1210
01:04:50,467 --> 01:04:51,667
Speaker 8: You know, when you've got six.

1211
01:04:51,467 --> 01:04:54,707
Speaker 13: To eight players, that does seem suspect. But if you're

1212
01:04:54,827 --> 01:04:59,067
Speaker 13: just outside you know the selection process and you're told, mate,

1213
01:04:59,107 --> 01:05:01,787
Speaker 13: you just need more time, well back in the first

1214
01:05:01,787 --> 01:05:05,667
Speaker 13: fifteen rugby in the college but is very competitive. You know,

1215
01:05:06,707 --> 01:05:08,787
Speaker 13: it might lead you to a career in rugby.

1216
01:05:09,067 --> 01:05:11,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeremy, it's a very good point. Could you do

1217
01:05:11,427 --> 01:05:13,107
Speaker 2: that at club level? Could you go to a club

1218
01:05:13,147 --> 01:05:15,267
Speaker 2: and get that? I know, actually, as I say these words,

1219
01:05:15,307 --> 01:05:18,827
Speaker 2: I know that a lot of club rugby competitions don't

1220
01:05:18,827 --> 01:05:20,707
Speaker 2: have an under nineteen grade or even an under twenty

1221
01:05:20,747 --> 01:05:22,307
Speaker 2: one grade anymore, So maybe you've got to go straight

1222
01:05:22,387 --> 01:05:24,787
Speaker 2: to prems or whatever it is. It's a it's a

1223
01:05:24,947 --> 01:05:26,347
Speaker 2: very interesting point you make.

1224
01:05:27,147 --> 01:05:30,267
Speaker 13: Do you see a lot of club rugby played on

1225
01:05:30,307 --> 01:05:33,947
Speaker 13: sky Sport? I know you see first fifteen played, so

1226
01:05:34,107 --> 01:05:36,707
Speaker 13: you get you know, you get seen, don't you you do?

1227
01:05:37,067 --> 01:05:39,267
Speaker 2: Jeremy, Thanks for making the point, mate, I appreciate it

1228
01:05:39,347 --> 01:05:41,427
Speaker 2: very much. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty

1229
01:05:41,427 --> 01:05:43,507
Speaker 2: twenty nine to two back with more of your calls after.

1230
01:05:43,347 --> 01:05:47,227
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1231
01:05:47,587 --> 01:05:51,467
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1233
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1234
01:05:57,307 --> 01:05:59,387
Speaker 2: test coming through. Back to the line, Shorty Mackis says

1235
01:05:59,387 --> 01:06:02,427
Speaker 2: on text, nothing new Ponty. In the mid eighties, a

1236
01:06:02,467 --> 01:06:04,467
Speaker 2: school in Hawk's Bay had a front row heavier than

1237
01:06:04,507 --> 01:06:06,507
Speaker 2: the All Blacks, didn't lose a game in five years.

1238
01:06:06,747 --> 01:06:09,067
Speaker 2: Some of the players had kids running around the sidelines,

1239
01:06:09,107 --> 01:06:12,827
Speaker 2: and most of them had beards. Thanks Macca, I was

1240
01:06:12,867 --> 01:06:14,827
Speaker 2: in the seventh form at Marlbra Boys in two thousand

1241
01:06:14,867 --> 01:06:17,307
Speaker 2: and one, says this text. Part of the way through

1242
01:06:17,347 --> 01:06:20,867
Speaker 2: the year, some big eighth formers suddenly appeared occasionally in

1243
01:06:20,947 --> 01:06:23,467
Speaker 2: my classes. They were there solely to play rugby. The

1244
01:06:23,507 --> 01:06:26,547
Speaker 2: teachers turned a blind eye to their absence from most classes,

1245
01:06:26,587 --> 01:06:28,907
Speaker 2: and they didn't stay long enough to do exams. They

1246
01:06:28,947 --> 01:06:32,747
Speaker 2: didn't even wear uniform on the few classes they turned up.

1247
01:06:32,787 --> 01:06:34,387
Speaker 2: To thank you for your text. Keep them coming, Oh

1248
01:06:34,427 --> 01:06:36,387
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Hello John.

1249
01:06:37,707 --> 01:06:43,707
Speaker 15: Yeah Bie I went to Nelson.

1250
01:06:43,347 --> 01:06:46,787
Speaker 2: College, good school, good school.

1251
01:06:46,987 --> 01:06:53,827
Speaker 15: Nineteen sixty seven. It's a while back, isn't that.

1252
01:06:54,827 --> 01:06:58,227
Speaker 2: I look just a little not that much before my time? John?

1253
01:06:58,307 --> 01:07:00,787
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I look not that. I'm sure you

1254
01:07:00,827 --> 01:07:02,827
Speaker 2: have fond memories right.

1255
01:07:03,187 --> 01:07:12,427
Speaker 15: There, Neil. Last year they had the one hundredth Quadrangular

1256
01:07:12,587 --> 01:07:20,307
Speaker 15: tournament at Nelson and Nelson College won it at Nelson College.

1257
01:07:20,947 --> 01:07:21,227
Speaker 2: Yep.

1258
01:07:22,187 --> 01:07:22,507
Speaker 17: Right.

1259
01:07:22,947 --> 01:07:30,107
Speaker 15: And then so this year in about two weeks time,

1260
01:07:31,227 --> 01:07:37,667
Speaker 15: but it's a quadrangular tournament between Nelson College, Wellington College,

1261
01:07:37,987 --> 01:07:45,387
Speaker 15: longannu In Collegiate and Christ College. And this year it's

1262
01:07:45,467 --> 01:07:50,187
Speaker 15: at Christ College, and I'm going to go to it.

1263
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Speaker 2: Good on your John, any year fourteens, any year fourteens,

1264
01:07:56,147 --> 01:07:58,707
Speaker 2: and that Nelson College team or the other teams that

1265
01:07:58,747 --> 01:07:59,587
Speaker 2: you're aware.

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01:07:59,307 --> 01:08:04,427
Speaker 15: Of probably will be I suppose. I don't know. I

1267
01:08:04,467 --> 01:08:08,387
Speaker 15: don't agree with that, But anyway, that's the why it is,

1268
01:08:08,387 --> 01:08:08,747
Speaker 15: isn't it.

1269
01:08:09,347 --> 01:08:11,147
Speaker 2: Well it seems to be, John, It does seem to

1270
01:08:11,187 --> 01:08:12,707
Speaker 2: be all the best of your old school mate and

1271
01:08:12,747 --> 01:08:16,027
Speaker 2: the upcoming quadrangular. I know that they are yet highly prestigious.

1272
01:08:16,427 --> 01:08:19,067
Speaker 2: That and like I said before, there's nothing wrong with

1273
01:08:19,187 --> 01:08:23,067
Speaker 2: wanting sporting success for your school. There's absolutely nothing wrong

1274
01:08:23,107 --> 01:08:30,707
Speaker 2: with that within the framework that students who have been

1275
01:08:30,707 --> 01:08:33,427
Speaker 2: there for five years are involved in it, or five

1276
01:08:33,507 --> 01:08:38,787
Speaker 2: years or less are involved in it. You know, school

1277
01:08:38,787 --> 01:08:41,747
Speaker 2: sport is cyclical. Anyone who's watched it knows this. You know,

1278
01:08:41,827 --> 01:08:45,707
Speaker 2: a team that can be absolutely fantastic one year might

1279
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Speaker 2: be full of seventh formers, full of year thirteens, and

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01:08:47,667 --> 01:08:50,147
Speaker 2: they move on, and then it's the ones who are

1281
01:08:50,187 --> 01:08:53,107
Speaker 2: left the year twelves who become year thirteen's and everybody

1282
01:08:53,107 --> 01:08:56,347
Speaker 2: moves up a year obviously that they're then in charge

1283
01:08:56,347 --> 01:08:59,027
Speaker 2: of that team and its success from there on. That's

1284
01:08:59,067 --> 01:09:02,907
Speaker 2: why regeneration of senior sports teams at school is so important.

1285
01:09:02,947 --> 01:09:05,227
Speaker 2: You can't have a team full of year thirteens, let

1286
01:09:05,267 --> 01:09:08,547
Speaker 2: alone year fourteens, because how does that guarantee future success.

1287
01:09:08,747 --> 01:09:11,587
Speaker 2: You've got to keep on bringing these kids through to play.

1288
01:09:12,067 --> 01:09:14,507
Speaker 2: It's why every senior sports team needs to have or

1289
01:09:14,507 --> 01:09:17,307
Speaker 2: should have in my view, year eleven's in it. Not

1290
01:09:17,347 --> 01:09:20,067
Speaker 2: necessarily to get in big minutes or playing every week

1291
01:09:20,147 --> 01:09:22,707
Speaker 2: or that sort of thing, but starting to regenerate at

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01:09:22,747 --> 01:09:24,267
Speaker 2: the bottom end. And I know a lot of schools

1293
01:09:24,307 --> 01:09:28,227
Speaker 2: are very aware of this, that they have to ensure

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Speaker 2: that that you know their first fifteen, their senior basketball team,

1295
01:09:32,067 --> 01:09:35,107
Speaker 2: their senior netball team, whatever of my bay doesn't fall

1296
01:09:35,107 --> 01:09:38,267
Speaker 2: off a cliff because your team is full of year thirteens.

1297
01:09:38,387 --> 01:09:43,867
Speaker 2: And that's before you start talking about year fourteens. Mike says, Piney,

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01:09:43,867 --> 01:09:46,987
Speaker 2: I'm your age. We had fourth year fifths still at

1299
01:09:46,987 --> 01:09:50,267
Speaker 2: school eighteen nineteen years old playing rugby in the county's area.

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01:09:50,307 --> 01:09:54,427
Speaker 2: One guy as a father interesting texts through here. I

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01:09:54,507 --> 01:09:57,187
Speaker 2: worked for years at a central Auckland Catholic high school

1302
01:09:58,067 --> 01:10:00,467
Speaker 2: and our principal would have meetings with all the young

1303
01:10:00,667 --> 01:10:03,627
Speaker 2: year thirteens at the end of the year to encourage

1304
01:10:03,667 --> 01:10:07,107
Speaker 2: them to return to play rugby the following year. Most

1305
01:10:07,107 --> 01:10:09,907
Speaker 2: of these boys even had, you, we already even scholarship

1306
01:10:09,987 --> 01:10:13,827
Speaker 2: level Cambridge qualifications. He used to pretend they were back

1307
01:10:13,867 --> 01:10:16,227
Speaker 2: for academic reasons, but we all knew they were there

1308
01:10:16,227 --> 01:10:18,827
Speaker 2: for the rugby. Fact of the matter is most of

1309
01:10:18,867 --> 01:10:21,067
Speaker 2: these boys left school at the end of year fourteen

1310
01:10:21,507 --> 01:10:25,627
Speaker 2: and walked straight into professional setups like the Blues. So

1311
01:10:25,707 --> 01:10:29,227
Speaker 2: staying for year fourteen help their rugby careers, no doubt.

1312
01:10:29,667 --> 01:10:31,907
Speaker 2: If you do a survey of all professional rugby players

1313
01:10:31,907 --> 01:10:34,467
Speaker 2: in New Zealand, you'd be surprised at how many were

1314
01:10:34,507 --> 01:10:39,627
Speaker 2: year fourteens. It's an interesting point, but doesn't make it right.

1315
01:10:41,747 --> 01:10:45,867
Speaker 2: Is it the right reason to do it? To get

1316
01:10:46,947 --> 01:10:50,227
Speaker 2: a player onto the radar of a professional rugby franchise.

1317
01:10:50,987 --> 01:10:54,747
Speaker 2: Surely that's the club's job beyond school. And I know

1318
01:10:54,827 --> 01:10:56,107
Speaker 2: the point was made before that ain't a lot of

1319
01:10:56,147 --> 01:11:00,347
Speaker 2: club rugb beyond TV, but secondary school rugby is. But

1320
01:11:00,387 --> 01:11:02,387
Speaker 2: it feels to me as though once your year twelve,

1321
01:11:02,507 --> 01:11:06,987
Speaker 2: year thirteen, a seventeen eighteen year old be on the

1322
01:11:07,107 --> 01:11:14,067
Speaker 2: radar of the high performance sporting teams in your region. Anyway,

1323
01:11:15,387 --> 01:11:18,507
Speaker 2: it shouldn't need a year fourteen to do that. It

1324
01:11:18,547 --> 01:11:21,747
Speaker 2: shouldn't need a sixth year at secondary school for you

1325
01:11:21,827 --> 01:11:26,147
Speaker 2: to do that. Paul says, our son placed verse fifteen rugby.

1326
01:11:26,147 --> 01:11:28,987
Speaker 2: We had billets stay from another school. One was a

1327
01:11:29,067 --> 01:11:31,787
Speaker 2: year fourteen and he was very open about his reason

1328
01:11:31,867 --> 01:11:35,667
Speaker 2: for being back, purely for exposure and to get scouted,

1329
01:11:35,827 --> 01:11:39,667
Speaker 2: and indeed he had received interest from some NPC unions.

1330
01:11:40,627 --> 01:11:45,627
Speaker 2: Others we have hosted have been scouted by Australian League teams. Look,

1331
01:11:45,787 --> 01:11:49,427
Speaker 2: I think we all know it's happening. We all know

1332
01:11:49,467 --> 01:11:52,907
Speaker 2: it's happening, but I'm not sure it makes it right.

1333
01:11:54,667 --> 01:11:56,787
Speaker 2: I feel like if you've made it through your five

1334
01:11:56,867 --> 01:12:00,867
Speaker 2: years of school and you need a sixth year to

1335
01:12:00,947 --> 01:12:04,827
Speaker 2: catch the eye, then get that sixth year at club level.

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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two niney two.

1337
01:12:10,947 --> 01:12:14,387
Speaker 2: On text, Steven says, gooday, Jason, just off to watch

1338
01:12:14,427 --> 01:12:18,267
Speaker 2: Easton against kay Tier the final in the mong Nui

1339
01:12:18,467 --> 01:12:20,627
Speaker 2: sub Union in the beautiful far North. What a part

1340
01:12:20,627 --> 01:12:24,107
Speaker 2: of the country that is probably about as grassroots as

1341
01:12:24,187 --> 01:12:27,227
Speaker 2: rugby gets. I would say twenty degrees in sunny should

1342
01:12:27,227 --> 01:12:30,867
Speaker 2: be a ripper. Good on you, Stephen, enjoy that nineteen

1343
01:12:30,907 --> 01:12:32,427
Speaker 2: to two. We'll take it. Come back and talk some

1344
01:12:32,467 --> 01:12:33,787
Speaker 2: Australian sport with Adam.

1345
01:12:33,547 --> 01:12:38,547
Speaker 1: Peacock, the big issues on and after fields Call OH

1346
01:12:38,587 --> 01:12:41,867
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekends fort with Jason Fine

1347
01:12:41,947 --> 01:12:45,907
Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunnerhmes New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News

1348
01:12:45,907 --> 01:12:47,067
Speaker 1: Talks at Baby.

1349
01:12:47,147 --> 01:12:49,507
Speaker 2: News Talks ABS sixteen to two. Get real, Piney says

1350
01:12:49,507 --> 01:12:52,107
Speaker 2: this test, get real. Club rugby is dead. The only

1351
01:12:52,147 --> 01:12:54,547
Speaker 2: pathway to professionalism is from school. If you don't get

1352
01:12:54,547 --> 01:12:57,147
Speaker 2: picked up straight out of school, most of today's kids

1353
01:12:57,187 --> 01:12:59,827
Speaker 2: just stop playing as they see their chance has gone.

1354
01:12:59,867 --> 01:13:03,067
Speaker 2: And they're not wrong because club rugby provides no pathway

1355
01:13:03,107 --> 01:13:05,667
Speaker 2: to a career in rugby. That may well be true.

1356
01:13:05,987 --> 01:13:07,667
Speaker 2: That may well be true. But what I would say

1357
01:13:07,707 --> 01:13:10,787
Speaker 2: as a counterpoint is, if you are dedicated to a

1358
01:13:10,867 --> 01:13:15,307
Speaker 2: career in rugby, you have three senior years at secondary school.

1359
01:13:15,347 --> 01:13:18,347
Speaker 2: If indeed secondary school rugby is the pathway to the

1360
01:13:18,387 --> 01:13:21,507
Speaker 2: professional game, or part of it, you have three years

1361
01:13:21,547 --> 01:13:27,067
Speaker 2: there in which you can impress, improve and stake your

1362
01:13:27,107 --> 01:13:32,347
Speaker 2: claim for a professional sporting career. Why would you need

1363
01:13:32,387 --> 01:13:37,027
Speaker 2: another year? Maybe it's just that you're not good enough

1364
01:13:37,067 --> 01:13:42,067
Speaker 2: for it. One Australian correspondent Adam Peacock with us, as

1365
01:13:42,107 --> 01:13:43,307
Speaker 2: your week been, mate.

1366
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Speaker 22: Good pinty good. Played a ripping golf day yesterday and

1367
01:13:48,587 --> 01:13:50,627
Speaker 22: up the North coast, so yeah, it's been.

1368
01:13:51,787 --> 01:13:53,627
Speaker 2: That's one. It's good that you go to golf as

1369
01:13:53,667 --> 01:13:56,227
Speaker 2: your as your gauge of a good week. I love that.

1370
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Speaker 2: I love that absolutely. What do you do well? Normally?

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01:14:00,547 --> 01:14:02,827
Speaker 2: Something similar actually, but my goal's nowhere here as good

1372
01:14:02,867 --> 01:14:03,227
Speaker 2: as yours?

1373
01:14:03,387 --> 01:14:03,507
Speaker 12: Hey?

1374
01:14:03,547 --> 01:14:07,027
Speaker 2: Can we talk actual sport with the elite players? Cricket

1375
01:14:07,387 --> 01:14:10,667
Speaker 2: World Test Championship finalist Raightio South Africa. After the first

1376
01:14:10,667 --> 01:14:12,667
Speaker 2: two days, twenty eight wickets fell. I thought this is

1377
01:14:12,707 --> 01:14:15,907
Speaker 2: all over on day three, but the opposite overnight. South

1378
01:14:15,947 --> 01:14:18,267
Speaker 2: Africa now just needs sixty nine to win with eight

1379
01:14:18,347 --> 01:14:22,507
Speaker 2: wickets still in hand. Can Stark, Hazelwood and Cummins conjure

1380
01:14:22,627 --> 01:14:24,547
Speaker 2: some magic for you and turn this around.

1381
01:14:25,827 --> 01:14:29,387
Speaker 22: Again to a miracle the way that Ada Markrom played

1382
01:14:29,627 --> 01:14:35,227
Speaker 22: in particular overnight, And no, I they can actually because

1383
01:14:35,507 --> 01:14:37,587
Speaker 22: this is I've been paying a bit of attention to

1384
01:14:37,667 --> 01:14:41,187
Speaker 22: county cricket in the past few months since it's been on,

1385
01:14:41,387 --> 01:14:44,107
Speaker 22: and the wickets have had a bit of spice early

1386
01:14:44,187 --> 01:14:46,627
Speaker 22: and then flattened right out, and there's been some big,

1387
01:14:46,747 --> 01:14:50,547
Speaker 22: big scores and yeah, the five hundreds and the likes

1388
01:14:50,547 --> 01:14:53,587
Speaker 22: of South Africa've obviously not only taken advantage of the

1389
01:14:53,627 --> 01:14:56,467
Speaker 22: wicket kind of flattening out, but played bloody well in

1390
01:14:56,587 --> 01:14:59,307
Speaker 22: front of that attack. So yeah, if they get these runs,

1391
01:14:59,547 --> 01:15:01,667
Speaker 22: they totally deserve it, and they've done it in style.

1392
01:15:01,867 --> 01:15:03,707
Speaker 22: And Steve Smith mon't be out there either because he

1393
01:15:04,307 --> 01:15:06,867
Speaker 22: badly shattered one of his fingers. He could be out

1394
01:15:06,907 --> 01:15:10,347
Speaker 22: for a matter of months after dropping a catch, and yeah,

1395
01:15:10,427 --> 01:15:11,147
Speaker 22: going off the field.

1396
01:15:11,267 --> 01:15:13,507
Speaker 2: Oh Man talk about insult to injury, so he dropped

1397
01:15:13,507 --> 01:15:16,547
Speaker 2: a catch and wrecked his finger at the same time.

1398
01:15:17,387 --> 01:15:21,947
Speaker 22: Compound compound disflication of it was it's pretty gruesome. So yeah,

1399
01:15:22,667 --> 01:15:24,427
Speaker 22: they're meant to be going to the West Indian or

1400
01:15:24,467 --> 01:15:25,747
Speaker 22: they are going to the West did this for a

1401
01:15:25,827 --> 01:15:29,027
Speaker 22: three Test tour, but it sounds like Smith and they'll

1402
01:15:29,027 --> 01:15:31,427
Speaker 22: be cautious with him because obviously we wanted for the Ashes,

1403
01:15:31,507 --> 01:15:33,867
Speaker 22: but he won't be back in this Test match, which

1404
01:15:34,467 --> 01:15:35,987
Speaker 22: like all he's going to do is field anyway.

1405
01:15:36,107 --> 01:15:37,827
Speaker 5: But yeah, probably missus.

1406
01:15:37,867 --> 01:15:39,267
Speaker 22: The Windy's too all right.

1407
01:15:39,227 --> 01:15:42,107
Speaker 2: Day four underway at Lord's tonight our time, let's go

1408
01:15:42,187 --> 01:15:45,107
Speaker 2: to state of Origin. Our second game is on Wednesday

1409
01:15:45,187 --> 01:15:47,387
Speaker 2: night in Perth. The New South Wales comfortable when is

1410
01:15:47,387 --> 01:15:49,947
Speaker 2: in game one the Maroons? Can they keep the series

1411
01:15:49,987 --> 01:15:53,267
Speaker 2: alive in Perth for Game three back in Sydney.

1412
01:15:54,027 --> 01:15:55,947
Speaker 22: Yeah, they've got a bit of a I suppose it's

1413
01:15:55,947 --> 01:15:57,347
Speaker 22: a bit of a boost with the fact that Mitch

1414
01:15:57,427 --> 01:16:00,667
Speaker 22: Moses PingER car for training this week so he won't

1415
01:16:00,707 --> 01:16:03,187
Speaker 22: play in the harms alongside Nathan Clear He promam messed

1416
01:16:03,227 --> 01:16:06,707
Speaker 22: for Queensland. Jerome Lewi, the guy that Cleary one Grand

1417
01:16:06,787 --> 01:16:09,507
Speaker 22: Finals alongside and was a big reason why Penrith's had

1418
01:16:09,827 --> 01:16:12,707
Speaker 22: a lot of their success recently has come into the side,

1419
01:16:12,787 --> 01:16:16,227
Speaker 22: so it's not really losing a lot. The big controversy

1420
01:16:16,307 --> 01:16:18,787
Speaker 22: this week was everyone giving it to Queensland for not

1421
01:16:19,027 --> 01:16:21,427
Speaker 22: sticking with their captain, but they had to make a

1422
01:16:21,467 --> 01:16:24,747
Speaker 22: decision around Daily Cherry Evans because there was someone waiting

1423
01:16:24,827 --> 01:16:28,067
Speaker 22: in the wings in Tommy did and the North Queensland

1424
01:16:28,107 --> 01:16:31,147
Speaker 22: half back. So yeah, Billy and Queensland have copped it

1425
01:16:31,267 --> 01:16:34,747
Speaker 22: for their pick and stick mentality going out the window,

1426
01:16:34,827 --> 01:16:37,547
Speaker 22: but really, when you look at him with a bit

1427
01:16:37,587 --> 01:16:39,947
Speaker 22: of clarity, it is actually probably the right cause. So

1428
01:16:41,227 --> 01:16:43,627
Speaker 22: it's made for a good week of banter this week.

1429
01:16:43,707 --> 01:16:44,987
Speaker 22: But looking forward to the game next.

1430
01:16:44,907 --> 01:16:47,227
Speaker 2: Wednesday, indeed, I mean you've watched a lot of Daily

1431
01:16:47,347 --> 01:16:50,427
Speaker 2: Cherry Evans obviously and still a terrific player. Will he

1432
01:16:50,907 --> 01:16:52,747
Speaker 2: play Origin again or is that said for him?

1433
01:16:53,267 --> 01:16:55,587
Speaker 22: Unless it didn't gets injured in this game, I can't

1434
01:16:55,587 --> 01:16:59,227
Speaker 22: see him playing the rest of this series, and then

1435
01:16:59,347 --> 01:17:01,307
Speaker 22: next year he'll be a year older and he's already

1436
01:17:02,107 --> 01:17:05,267
Speaker 22: a bit long in the tooth, so it's in all

1437
01:17:05,347 --> 01:17:07,787
Speaker 22: probably you never say never with Origin because injuries do

1438
01:17:07,947 --> 01:17:11,147
Speaker 22: happen in rugby league, but in all probability here has

1439
01:17:11,147 --> 01:17:12,387
Speaker 22: played his last Origin game.

1440
01:17:12,507 --> 01:17:13,987
Speaker 2: All right, well, I look forward to game two on

1441
01:17:14,027 --> 01:17:17,587
Speaker 2: Wednesday night, hopefully the series stays alive. And finally to

1442
01:17:17,627 --> 01:17:19,587
Speaker 2: the soccaro's great to have you join us at the

1443
01:17:19,627 --> 01:17:22,587
Speaker 2: World Cup. I have not a sentence I thought i'd

1444
01:17:22,627 --> 01:17:24,547
Speaker 2: ever say, but good to have you join us.

1445
01:17:24,987 --> 01:17:27,027
Speaker 22: Yeah, second time ever we're going to go to a

1446
01:17:27,067 --> 01:17:30,307
Speaker 22: World Cup together, which is pretty cool. So after South

1447
01:17:30,347 --> 01:17:33,387
Speaker 22: Africa twenty ten, yeah, look at a great result in

1448
01:17:33,467 --> 01:17:37,467
Speaker 22: Saudi Arabia. It's got a little dicey in the first half.

1449
01:17:37,587 --> 01:17:41,387
Speaker 22: If they scored two halfway through the first half, they

1450
01:17:41,507 --> 01:17:43,547
Speaker 22: needed to score five Saudi Arabia, it could have got

1451
01:17:43,627 --> 01:17:46,627
Speaker 22: interesting that we withstood that and then came up with

1452
01:17:47,507 --> 01:17:50,027
Speaker 22: another victory. So Tony Popovich, since he's taken over in

1453
01:17:50,107 --> 01:17:53,427
Speaker 22: World Cup qualifiers, undefeated, and it gets us to the

1454
01:17:53,507 --> 01:17:56,747
Speaker 22: World Cup twelve months ahead of schedule, which is so

1455
01:17:57,227 --> 01:17:59,587
Speaker 22: so happy for us because usually in the last couple

1456
01:17:59,587 --> 01:18:02,947
Speaker 22: of editions it's been basically the last qualified. So now

1457
01:18:03,027 --> 01:18:07,347
Speaker 22: they can plan accordingly, Polish can go and you know,

1458
01:18:07,587 --> 01:18:10,387
Speaker 22: really look at the friendlies we need and play the

1459
01:18:10,467 --> 01:18:12,107
Speaker 22: games that we need and have the training that we

1460
01:18:12,227 --> 01:18:14,707
Speaker 22: need to come together as a unit at the World Cup,

1461
01:18:14,787 --> 01:18:17,267
Speaker 22: and I think we can get out of the group

1462
01:18:17,667 --> 01:18:19,707
Speaker 22: with the style of football we played because it is

1463
01:18:19,987 --> 01:18:23,467
Speaker 22: a it's a compact, defensive style of football which gets results.

1464
01:18:23,547 --> 01:18:27,427
Speaker 22: And yeah, hopefully we can go there like you guys

1465
01:18:27,507 --> 01:18:29,227
Speaker 22: and play some knockout football.

1466
01:18:29,387 --> 01:18:31,947
Speaker 2: He still cops a bit of stick, doesn't he, Tony Poppers. Yes,

1467
01:18:31,987 --> 01:18:34,467
Speaker 2: to say, unbeaten a soccer as coach guiding the team

1468
01:18:34,507 --> 01:18:36,987
Speaker 2: to the World Cup with a year to spare as

1469
01:18:37,387 --> 01:18:40,267
Speaker 2: playing style that that gets them a little bit of criticism.

1470
01:18:40,787 --> 01:18:41,947
Speaker 8: Yeah, it does, but.

1471
01:18:42,147 --> 01:18:48,067
Speaker 22: That's like that's on the label. If you're shocked at it, well,

1472
01:18:48,427 --> 01:18:49,267
Speaker 22: don't be shocked at it.

1473
01:18:49,627 --> 01:18:50,147
Speaker 5: It should be.

1474
01:18:50,707 --> 01:18:54,307
Speaker 22: And it's hard international football. It's like these guys that

1475
01:18:54,507 --> 01:18:56,667
Speaker 22: like your team, they're flying in from the Northern Hemisphere.

1476
01:18:56,707 --> 01:18:59,867
Speaker 22: You've got thirty six hours sometimes to put it together

1477
01:19:00,947 --> 01:19:02,467
Speaker 22: on the pitch what you want to do with them.

1478
01:19:02,507 --> 01:19:06,147
Speaker 22: So it's one training session. It's it's really difficult. So yeah,

1479
01:19:06,387 --> 01:19:08,787
Speaker 22: going to come up firstly with defensive principles that are

1480
01:19:08,787 --> 01:19:10,267
Speaker 22: going to make your heart to beat, and then on

1481
01:19:10,387 --> 01:19:12,587
Speaker 22: top of that you can add a few layers. But

1482
01:19:12,787 --> 01:19:16,547
Speaker 22: that's what povilsh does and yeah, it's a proven success

1483
01:19:17,107 --> 01:19:20,547
Speaker 22: for the Soccer US this time around. The greater question

1484
01:19:20,707 --> 01:19:23,427
Speaker 22: is not in the in the realm of Tony Pobris.

1485
01:19:23,507 --> 01:19:25,387
Speaker 22: Whats style of football or are we providing for the

1486
01:19:25,467 --> 01:19:27,507
Speaker 22: national team And that's a whole other question.

1487
01:19:28,307 --> 01:19:31,107
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you've caught up with the whispers that there.

1488
01:19:31,387 --> 01:19:34,227
Speaker 2: You know, there's windows, obviously international windows between now and

1489
01:19:34,707 --> 01:19:37,227
Speaker 2: the World Cup in June of next year. September of

1490
01:19:37,307 --> 01:19:40,027
Speaker 2: this year, there's a window and there's talk of a

1491
01:19:40,107 --> 01:19:43,027
Speaker 2: trans Tasman doubleheader, a game here, a game over there

1492
01:19:43,067 --> 01:19:46,347
Speaker 2: that probably suits us more than it suits the Soca Rus.

1493
01:19:46,467 --> 01:19:48,507
Speaker 2: But I mean, surely we can make that happen.

1494
01:19:49,227 --> 01:19:51,707
Speaker 22: It's gon'd be good. I'd love that. Yeah, it's a

1495
01:19:52,627 --> 01:19:56,187
Speaker 22: great idea, so minimal travel. We fell out of stadium,

1496
01:19:56,227 --> 01:19:58,707
Speaker 22: you fell out of stadium and we get into it

1497
01:19:58,827 --> 01:20:01,627
Speaker 22: in the sporting sense. Great writers, I can't see a

1498
01:20:01,667 --> 01:20:03,187
Speaker 22: downside that. Hopefull it does happen.

1499
01:20:03,307 --> 01:20:05,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope. So always great chatting Australian sport with you, Adam.

1500
01:20:05,867 --> 01:20:07,787
Speaker 2: Have a great week mate, We'll artchet again next Saturday.

1501
01:20:08,187 --> 01:20:09,947
Speaker 22: You too, fine chess mate, No, thank you mate.

1502
01:20:09,987 --> 01:20:13,667
Speaker 2: That's Adam Peacock, our regular Australian correspondent joining us every

1503
01:20:13,667 --> 01:20:16,187
Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon about this time here on Weekend Sport on

1504
01:20:16,227 --> 01:20:17,707
Speaker 2: News Talks AB where it's nine.

1505
01:20:17,587 --> 01:20:20,987
Speaker 1: To two from breaking down the Hail Mary's and the

1506
01:20:21,187 --> 01:20:27,267
Speaker 1: Epic Fails Weekend Sport with Jason Zin News Talk ZENB.

1507
01:20:27,627 --> 01:20:30,747
Speaker 2: News Talks HEB six away from two. Another text three

1508
01:20:30,787 --> 01:20:33,067
Speaker 2: here on our topic from earlier in the hour about

1509
01:20:33,067 --> 01:20:35,147
Speaker 2: secondary school sport, et cetera. I just like to touch

1510
01:20:35,187 --> 01:20:37,427
Speaker 2: on a previous call a message. It says there are

1511
01:20:37,467 --> 01:20:39,267
Speaker 2: lots of kids at school who are just playing sport

1512
01:20:39,347 --> 01:20:41,507
Speaker 2: to have fun, and for them to have to compete

1513
01:20:41,547 --> 01:20:43,627
Speaker 2: with players who are spending another year to try and

1514
01:20:43,707 --> 01:20:47,747
Speaker 2: kickstart professional careers is a bit unfair to those regular kids.

1515
01:20:47,827 --> 01:20:50,027
Speaker 2: As you've said, you've got five years to play. If

1516
01:20:50,027 --> 01:20:51,747
Speaker 2: you need more training than maybe you don't have the

1517
01:20:51,827 --> 01:20:55,187
Speaker 2: right dedication in saying that. If players are coming back

1518
01:20:55,227 --> 01:20:58,147
Speaker 2: to improve their grades to further their education and they

1519
01:20:58,227 --> 01:21:00,507
Speaker 2: want to play sport as well, then I think that's

1520
01:21:00,547 --> 01:21:03,227
Speaker 2: fine if they're getting the grades to match. I went

1521
01:21:03,267 --> 01:21:05,587
Speaker 2: to a good school and we had lots of scholarship players,

1522
01:21:05,667 --> 01:21:09,587
Speaker 2: but they had to sell in the classroom as well. Yeah. Look,

1523
01:21:10,027 --> 01:21:13,947
Speaker 2: and I guess that's the difficulty, isn't it That when

1524
01:21:13,987 --> 01:21:17,787
Speaker 2: you're at school you should be encouraged, I think, anyway,

1525
01:21:17,867 --> 01:21:21,987
Speaker 2: to be part of every part of that school, academic

1526
01:21:22,107 --> 01:21:26,107
Speaker 2: and extra curricular. And look, if you're coming back to

1527
01:21:26,267 --> 01:21:30,187
Speaker 2: complete your education as a year fourteen and sport us

1528
01:21:30,227 --> 01:21:32,547
Speaker 2: in something that you're wanting to pursue as a career

1529
01:21:33,307 --> 01:21:36,667
Speaker 2: that you you know, you have any great dedication to,

1530
01:21:36,867 --> 01:21:39,387
Speaker 2: but it's still something you like to get involved in,

1531
01:21:39,587 --> 01:21:42,667
Speaker 2: then that avenue probably should be open for you, maybe

1532
01:21:42,747 --> 01:21:44,387
Speaker 2: to play. And it might be that you you know

1533
01:21:44,507 --> 01:21:46,667
Speaker 2: that you make the first fifteen, but you're not an

1534
01:21:46,667 --> 01:21:49,147
Speaker 2: absolute star in that team or something like that, or

1535
01:21:49,187 --> 01:21:51,387
Speaker 2: you want to play second fifteen or just social rugby.

1536
01:21:52,147 --> 01:21:54,547
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't deny a year fourteen a place

1537
01:21:54,627 --> 01:21:57,547
Speaker 2: in the choir, do we. If they want to come back,

1538
01:21:57,587 --> 01:22:00,867
Speaker 2: they're looking to finish their education, they need an extra year.

1539
01:22:01,307 --> 01:22:05,347
Speaker 2: We let them sing in the choir, don't we. Extracurricular?

1540
01:22:05,787 --> 01:22:08,307
Speaker 2: I know it's a from kettle of fish, but yeah,

1541
01:22:08,347 --> 01:22:11,507
Speaker 2: it's a fascinating topic and one I'm sure we will

1542
01:22:11,547 --> 01:22:14,627
Speaker 2: revisit again at some stage. Just on four to two,

1543
01:22:14,787 --> 01:22:17,347
Speaker 2: updating you from the NBA Finals where it's Game four

1544
01:22:17,427 --> 01:22:21,387
Speaker 2: between the Indiana Paces and Oklahoma City Thunder. The Pacers

1545
01:22:21,467 --> 01:22:24,907
Speaker 2: lead to one, and they lead at halftime in Game four.

1546
01:22:25,347 --> 01:22:28,667
Speaker 2: Just to slenderly those sixty fifty seven. They had a

1547
01:22:28,707 --> 01:22:30,867
Speaker 2: two point advantage at quarter of time and a three

1548
01:22:30,907 --> 01:22:33,627
Speaker 2: point advantage at half time. Okay, see this is their

1549
01:22:33,667 --> 01:22:37,587
Speaker 2: home court or is it an Indiana And it's an Indiana, Sorry,

1550
01:22:37,747 --> 01:22:40,587
Speaker 2: my mistake. It's an Indiana. So the Pacers can go

1551
01:22:40,707 --> 01:22:43,707
Speaker 2: three to one ahead in this series on their home floor.

1552
01:22:43,827 --> 01:22:46,707
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, see, perhaps a little bit up against it.

1553
01:22:46,747 --> 01:22:49,387
Speaker 2: We'll keep an eye on that for you. After two o'clock,

1554
01:22:49,547 --> 01:22:54,107
Speaker 2: joined in the studio by Sonny Berl Williams. Big fight

1555
01:22:54,187 --> 01:22:56,267
Speaker 2: coming up home against Paul Gallon next month. They'll tell

1556
01:22:56,347 --> 01:22:57,467
Speaker 2: us all about it. After two.

1557
01:22:59,067 --> 01:23:01,907
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1558
01:23:02,347 --> 01:23:03,507
Speaker 1: and after fields.

1559
01:23:04,027 --> 01:23:04,627
Speaker 23: It's all on.

1560
01:23:04,707 --> 01:23:08,907
Speaker 1: WI James Ford with Jason on your home of sports.

1561
01:23:10,147 --> 01:23:10,387
Speaker 20: Talk.

1562
01:23:10,467 --> 01:23:14,107
Speaker 2: Symby, Hello there, welcome into the show. Welcome back to

1563
01:23:14,187 --> 01:23:16,987
Speaker 2: the show. It's seven past two. This is weekend Sport

1564
01:23:17,027 --> 01:23:19,947
Speaker 2: on News Talk, said b Sonny. Bill Williams is here.

1565
01:23:21,387 --> 01:23:24,467
Speaker 2: He's with us very shortly to chat about his upcoming

1566
01:23:24,547 --> 01:23:27,707
Speaker 2: fight against Paul Gallon. It seems to have taken an

1567
01:23:27,747 --> 01:23:31,467
Speaker 2: age to get here this fight. It will finally take

1568
01:23:31,547 --> 01:23:35,827
Speaker 2: place mid next month in Sydney. Sonny Bill on the

1569
01:23:35,907 --> 01:23:38,107
Speaker 2: show very shortly. Also this hour, we'll get you to

1570
01:23:38,147 --> 01:23:40,827
Speaker 2: the US Golf Open. Whereas you heard, wayno saying the

1571
01:23:40,867 --> 01:23:44,627
Speaker 2: news play here has been suspended. Only a few players

1572
01:23:44,667 --> 01:23:49,227
Speaker 2: to all out on course brute of a course. Only

1573
01:23:49,427 --> 01:23:51,987
Speaker 2: three players in the red numbers, Only three players under par,

1574
01:23:52,467 --> 01:23:56,707
Speaker 2: Sam Burns, JJ Spawn, Victor Hovlin, everybody else even par

1575
01:23:57,467 --> 01:24:01,347
Speaker 2: or below. Ryan Fox will make the Cup five over,

1576
01:24:01,867 --> 01:24:05,147
Speaker 2: so he'll play round three and four of the US Open.

1577
01:24:06,667 --> 01:24:11,587
Speaker 2: And Liam Lawson's had a good day in practice at

1578
01:24:11,627 --> 01:24:15,947
Speaker 2: the Canadian Grand Prix. He's inside the top ten or

1579
01:24:16,187 --> 01:24:18,427
Speaker 2: was inside the top ten in both practice sessions in

1580
01:24:18,547 --> 01:24:23,987
Speaker 2: terms of lap time. Qualifying Tomorrow races on Monday. Our

1581
01:24:24,027 --> 01:24:26,227
Speaker 2: Formula one expert out of the New Zealand Herald, Alex

1582
01:24:26,267 --> 01:24:28,667
Speaker 2: Powell on that oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1583
01:24:28,707 --> 01:24:30,427
Speaker 2: is our number. Call us at any time to make

1584
01:24:30,467 --> 01:24:32,187
Speaker 2: a point nine two ninety two if you would prefer

1585
01:24:32,267 --> 01:24:34,387
Speaker 2: to do that by text and we'll keep eyes on

1586
01:24:34,427 --> 01:24:36,467
Speaker 2: the live basketball as well. They're underwe in the second

1587
01:24:36,507 --> 01:24:40,787
Speaker 2: half Indiana and Okay see Game four of the NBA Finals,

1588
01:24:41,427 --> 01:24:44,627
Speaker 2: Indiana with a sixty to fifty seven halftime lead as

1589
01:24:44,667 --> 01:24:47,547
Speaker 2: they look to go three one ahead and bring themselves

1590
01:24:47,587 --> 01:24:49,267
Speaker 2: to match point. I guess you'd call it if we

1591
01:24:49,307 --> 01:24:52,747
Speaker 2: want to mix our sporting metaphors. But as we always

1592
01:24:52,787 --> 01:24:54,907
Speaker 2: do it around about this time on weekend sport, as

1593
01:24:54,947 --> 01:24:58,147
Speaker 2: we tick towards nine pass two, let's get you up

1594
01:24:58,187 --> 01:24:59,587
Speaker 2: to date with some of the stuff that might have

1595
01:24:59,707 --> 01:25:03,067
Speaker 2: escaped your attention, some of the things you might have

1596
01:25:03,187 --> 01:25:06,507
Speaker 2: missed in the last little while, in case you missed it.

1597
01:25:07,387 --> 01:25:10,347
Speaker 2: Starting in France and one of the big build ups

1598
01:25:10,467 --> 01:25:15,027
Speaker 2: to Cycling's Tour de France, Tae Pagacha has sent out

1599
01:25:15,067 --> 01:25:17,027
Speaker 2: a big warning shot to his rivals.

1600
01:25:17,507 --> 01:25:21,427
Speaker 24: He's already taken one stage of the Criterion Todo Forday

1601
01:25:21,787 --> 01:25:24,707
Speaker 24: and this is about to be the second one. At

1602
01:25:24,747 --> 01:25:27,707
Speaker 24: the top of the Coach de la Cry, there are

1603
01:25:27,867 --> 01:25:32,067
Speaker 24: tears on the faces of the opposition for Gatcha punishes

1604
01:25:32,147 --> 01:25:35,267
Speaker 24: the two stage wins for the world champion.

1605
01:25:35,507 --> 01:25:38,787
Speaker 2: Here, Bagacha leads the Dauphine with two stages to go

1606
01:25:39,267 --> 01:25:42,787
Speaker 2: to the NRL. The Gold Coast Titans flipping the script

1607
01:25:43,507 --> 01:25:45,947
Speaker 2: and running out to a big win over Manly Beryl

1608
01:25:46,187 --> 01:25:47,987
Speaker 2: is in front of the post for it.

1609
01:25:48,507 --> 01:25:54,067
Speaker 25: Conor pulled candle in and away Randol SCO's.

1610
01:25:53,627 --> 01:25:54,827
Speaker 9: Gonna Gold Coast.

1611
01:25:56,107 --> 01:25:57,507
Speaker 10: A first jack of the.

1612
01:25:57,627 --> 01:26:02,507
Speaker 25: Year for Chris Reynold, and boy has he deserved that.

1613
01:26:02,707 --> 01:26:06,147
Speaker 2: Tonight a twenty eight to eight win Water bounce back

1614
01:26:06,587 --> 01:26:09,987
Speaker 2: from their thirty point loss last weekend. The Titans to

1615
01:26:10,147 --> 01:26:13,827
Speaker 2: cricket the World Test Championship Final has gone into its

1616
01:26:13,867 --> 01:26:17,467
Speaker 2: fourth day. South Africa find themselves on the verge of

1617
01:26:17,627 --> 01:26:23,067
Speaker 2: victory thanks to our heroic innings from Aiden, Markram ticked

1618
01:26:23,187 --> 01:26:26,187
Speaker 2: leg side, crept all the way to the to andrew

1619
01:26:26,587 --> 01:26:33,987
Speaker 2: a magical Markroum hundred his eighth in Tasma's cricket and

1620
01:26:34,227 --> 01:26:38,067
Speaker 2: left South Africa going to win this game. It will

1621
01:26:38,227 --> 01:26:42,387
Speaker 2: be his most important. South Africa now just sixty nine

1622
01:26:42,507 --> 01:26:45,467
Speaker 2: runs away from victory, eight wickets in hand. Markram still

1623
01:26:45,467 --> 01:26:48,867
Speaker 2: there unbeaten on one hundred and two. His skiper Timber

1624
01:26:49,107 --> 01:26:52,707
Speaker 2: Thevooma is there on sixty five not out and across

1625
01:26:52,827 --> 01:26:58,347
Speaker 2: the Atlantic, fern Allen also playing and heroic innings He

1626
01:26:58,507 --> 01:27:01,587
Speaker 2: wasn't there for quite as long, but one hundred and

1627
01:27:01,907 --> 01:27:05,947
Speaker 2: fifty one in Major League Crickets twenty twenty competition.

1628
01:27:09,067 --> 01:27:15,707
Speaker 18: It's a world record for phananen number of sixes nineteen

1629
01:27:16,347 --> 01:27:17,227
Speaker 18: and it takes.

1630
01:27:17,027 --> 01:27:23,427
Speaker 2: Him to one hundred and fifty his nineteenth maximum. Oh yeah,

1631
01:27:24,667 --> 01:27:28,187
Speaker 2: fast hands, head down and fetch it please.

1632
01:27:29,307 --> 01:27:32,947
Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world

1633
01:27:33,147 --> 01:27:38,307
Speaker 1: weekends for it with Jason Pine, they call eighty US talks.

1634
01:27:38,067 --> 01:27:41,867
Speaker 2: Envy eleven minutes past two. It's a fight that's been

1635
01:27:42,147 --> 01:27:45,147
Speaker 2: ten years in the making but is finally about to happen.

1636
01:27:45,227 --> 01:27:49,947
Speaker 2: After a decade of verbal jabs back and forth. Kiwi

1637
01:27:50,067 --> 01:27:53,947
Speaker 2: Cross Code sporting legends Sonny Bill Williams and Australian rugby

1638
01:27:54,027 --> 01:27:56,747
Speaker 2: league hard man Paul Gallon will finally meet in the

1639
01:27:56,787 --> 01:28:00,747
Speaker 2: boxing ring at Kudos Bank Arena in Sydney on Wednesday,

1640
01:28:00,907 --> 01:28:05,387
Speaker 2: July sixteenth from seven thirty New Zealand Time, powered by

1641
01:28:05,507 --> 01:28:08,787
Speaker 2: Minuka Fuel. The fight will be live an Excuse exclusive

1642
01:28:08,867 --> 01:28:11,347
Speaker 2: rather in New Zealand on pay per view from Sky

1643
01:28:11,547 --> 01:28:16,067
Speaker 2: Arena and Sky Sport. Now two time Rugby World Cup winner,

1644
01:28:16,107 --> 01:28:20,187
Speaker 2: two time NRL Premiership winner, Super Rugby Champion twenty sixteen

1645
01:28:20,227 --> 01:28:23,987
Speaker 2: Olympian and boxer Sonny Bill Williams is with us in

1646
01:28:24,067 --> 01:28:27,307
Speaker 2: the studio. Thanks for stopping in, Sonny. This seems to

1647
01:28:27,347 --> 01:28:29,827
Speaker 2: have taken an age to arrive. Why has this taken

1648
01:28:29,947 --> 01:28:30,867
Speaker 2: so long? This fight?

1649
01:28:32,347 --> 01:28:37,307
Speaker 25: Yeah, I don't know, man, it's I think over the years,

1650
01:28:37,347 --> 01:28:39,067
Speaker 25: he's taken a lot of punch puts at me, his haying,

1651
01:28:39,107 --> 01:28:40,747
Speaker 25: I'm this, I'm mad. I don't want to fight on

1652
01:28:40,827 --> 01:28:43,227
Speaker 25: But to be honest, and to be quite frank, man,

1653
01:28:43,267 --> 01:28:45,027
Speaker 25: when I was playing for the All Blacks for those years,

1654
01:28:45,067 --> 01:28:47,387
Speaker 25: I don't really think about getting back into the boxing ring.

1655
01:28:47,507 --> 01:28:51,707
Speaker 23: So probably just timing. I guess, you know, life's about time,

1656
01:28:51,787 --> 01:28:54,227
Speaker 23: and so we're here right now and I'm bloody excited

1657
01:28:54,267 --> 01:28:55,107
Speaker 23: to get in the ring with them.

1658
01:28:55,227 --> 01:28:56,747
Speaker 2: How do you feel about Paul Gallon?

1659
01:28:59,787 --> 01:29:00,147
Speaker 23: I don't know.

1660
01:29:01,267 --> 01:29:04,467
Speaker 25: It's hard because over the years, obviously he's thought about

1661
01:29:04,507 --> 01:29:06,547
Speaker 25: me a lot, call him out, call him out out

1662
01:29:06,907 --> 01:29:09,907
Speaker 25: every chance he has. But I've never really thought about him, honey,

1663
01:29:10,027 --> 01:29:13,107
Speaker 25: until now at the press conference where I finally got

1664
01:29:13,147 --> 01:29:16,267
Speaker 25: to speak some truth about him. Where where when my

1665
01:29:16,387 --> 01:29:20,827
Speaker 25: old mate then decided not to turn up, I think

1666
01:29:21,227 --> 01:29:24,507
Speaker 25: that's when all the emotions kind of come out because

1667
01:29:25,747 --> 01:29:26,347
Speaker 25: over the years.

1668
01:29:26,507 --> 01:29:29,147
Speaker 23: No, not really, he's not. I don't really have a

1669
01:29:29,187 --> 01:29:31,907
Speaker 23: poster in my house of poor or anything like that.

1670
01:29:32,027 --> 01:29:35,027
Speaker 2: Bro, he didn't come to the pre fight press conference.

1671
01:29:35,307 --> 01:29:36,027
Speaker 2: What did you make of that?

1672
01:29:36,747 --> 01:29:39,307
Speaker 25: I just think that's what type of individual he is,

1673
01:29:39,347 --> 01:29:41,027
Speaker 25: and how he looks at me and my people that

1674
01:29:41,307 --> 01:29:44,667
Speaker 25: you know, obviously he thinks he's better than us. I've

1675
01:29:44,707 --> 01:29:46,987
Speaker 25: been in dressing rooms with these type of characters before,

1676
01:29:47,027 --> 01:29:50,107
Speaker 25: where they love to suck suck up all the oxygen

1677
01:29:50,587 --> 01:29:54,107
Speaker 25: and then if you speak, you know, you're not really heard.

1678
01:29:54,747 --> 01:29:58,467
Speaker 25: So I think for me it was a reflection of

1679
01:29:58,547 --> 01:30:05,787
Speaker 25: him thinking that myself Polynesians are dummies in his eyes,

1680
01:30:05,947 --> 01:30:09,787
Speaker 25: you know. And and we held the press conference together.

1681
01:30:10,427 --> 01:30:12,827
Speaker 25: It was actually better with probably with Adam there, But

1682
01:30:13,067 --> 01:30:15,587
Speaker 25: at the same time, it was quite disappointing because I

1683
01:30:15,627 --> 01:30:16,787
Speaker 25: had a few questions I wanted.

1684
01:30:16,587 --> 01:30:17,067
Speaker 23: To ask him.

1685
01:30:17,667 --> 01:30:19,107
Speaker 2: Well, I guess you could ask them in the ring

1686
01:30:19,147 --> 01:30:20,747
Speaker 2: when you get in there in a month or so.

1687
01:30:21,027 --> 01:30:22,627
Speaker 2: You haven't been in the ring for a while, three

1688
01:30:22,707 --> 01:30:25,747
Speaker 2: years since your last fight. Yeah, I say. The only

1689
01:30:25,787 --> 01:30:27,027
Speaker 2: opponent you would have come back.

1690
01:30:26,907 --> 01:30:30,107
Speaker 25: For it had to be big. Look, I was retired, man.

1691
01:30:30,187 --> 01:30:32,027
Speaker 25: We tried to make this fight happen three years ago

1692
01:30:32,107 --> 01:30:35,387
Speaker 25: after I lost to Mark Caun't. I'm a realist, you know,

1693
01:30:35,987 --> 01:30:38,667
Speaker 25: I'm I'm not. I didn't make my name in the

1694
01:30:38,667 --> 01:30:41,587
Speaker 25: boxing ring. I'm not a boxer, but you know I'm

1695
01:30:41,747 --> 01:30:45,987
Speaker 25: athletic enough to be able to get in there and

1696
01:30:47,747 --> 01:30:52,387
Speaker 25: you know, win some fights. So I think the reason

1697
01:30:52,427 --> 01:30:54,627
Speaker 25: why this scrudge match is so big is because of

1698
01:30:56,267 --> 01:30:58,867
Speaker 25: you know, the animosity that's been brewing for the last

1699
01:30:58,947 --> 01:31:01,187
Speaker 25: ten years. And like I said, every opportunity he has,

1700
01:31:01,867 --> 01:31:05,467
Speaker 25: he's taking digs at me. So after the Mark can't fight,

1701
01:31:05,587 --> 01:31:07,107
Speaker 25: like I said, we tried to make the fight happen.

1702
01:31:07,147 --> 01:31:09,667
Speaker 25: It got right down to the final while final hurdle

1703
01:31:12,107 --> 01:31:14,867
Speaker 25: pretty much almost gonna announce it. And he's come back

1704
01:31:14,907 --> 01:31:16,467
Speaker 25: and said he wanted a bigger piece of the buy

1705
01:31:16,547 --> 01:31:19,347
Speaker 25: instead of fifty to fifty. So that was the question

1706
01:31:19,427 --> 01:31:20,907
Speaker 25: I wanted to ask at the press conference. What have

1707
01:31:20,947 --> 01:31:22,547
Speaker 25: you been doing in the last three years? You know,

1708
01:31:22,667 --> 01:31:24,747
Speaker 25: what are all these rumors? What are these people calling

1709
01:31:24,827 --> 01:31:26,867
Speaker 25: me about saying that you're on performance hunting drugs?

1710
01:31:27,467 --> 01:31:27,627
Speaker 6: You know?

1711
01:31:28,747 --> 01:31:31,107
Speaker 23: And that's the worry that I had because the last.

1712
01:31:31,027 --> 01:31:33,347
Speaker 25: Three years I've been training for life and when you

1713
01:31:33,507 --> 01:31:35,707
Speaker 25: train for when you're training to get in the ring,

1714
01:31:35,747 --> 01:31:38,227
Speaker 25: it's a different field, of different buzz, of different mentality.

1715
01:31:38,347 --> 01:31:44,307
Speaker 25: So going from going from changing nappies to you know,

1716
01:31:44,547 --> 01:31:46,947
Speaker 25: potentially get in the ring and punching someone in the

1717
01:31:46,987 --> 01:31:49,747
Speaker 25: faces being quite easy because of the animosity that there

1718
01:31:49,827 --> 01:31:50,467
Speaker 25: is between me and.

1719
01:31:50,507 --> 01:31:52,547
Speaker 2: Poor I was going to ask about that because having

1720
01:31:52,587 --> 01:31:54,107
Speaker 2: been out of the ring for so long, how long

1721
01:31:54,187 --> 01:31:56,507
Speaker 2: does it take to get fight fit again.

1722
01:31:57,867 --> 01:31:58,467
Speaker 23: I'm not too sure.

1723
01:31:58,547 --> 01:32:01,507
Speaker 25: You know, people think, okay, because I've had a few fights.

1724
01:32:02,347 --> 01:32:04,707
Speaker 25: I'm a full time boxer. I've had ten fights over

1725
01:32:04,947 --> 01:32:10,947
Speaker 25: in fifteen years. So for me, it always come easy

1726
01:32:11,027 --> 01:32:13,187
Speaker 25: because it was at the end of a season, for example,

1727
01:32:13,307 --> 01:32:16,107
Speaker 25: and I was naturally like I was almost there fitness wise.

1728
01:32:16,747 --> 01:32:21,427
Speaker 23: Now three years out of doing.

1729
01:32:21,587 --> 01:32:24,507
Speaker 25: Professional sport, it's been really tough. The mind and the

1730
01:32:24,587 --> 01:32:27,987
Speaker 25: heart is there, but the body has been struggling quite

1731
01:32:27,987 --> 01:32:31,827
Speaker 25: a bit. So I think that's the difference when you

1732
01:32:31,907 --> 01:32:34,147
Speaker 25: get a little bit older, my bro. So, yeah, this

1733
01:32:34,627 --> 01:32:36,147
Speaker 25: camp has been really, really tough.

1734
01:32:36,707 --> 01:32:38,667
Speaker 2: Eight two minute rounds. Does that suit you?

1735
01:32:40,307 --> 01:32:40,507
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1736
01:32:40,587 --> 01:32:42,667
Speaker 25: I think it's it's more of an equalizer. You know,

1737
01:32:42,747 --> 01:32:44,707
Speaker 25: there's been enough. There's been a lot said about the

1738
01:32:44,787 --> 01:32:49,507
Speaker 25: two minutes, especially from my old mate. But to be honest,

1739
01:32:49,507 --> 01:32:51,667
Speaker 25: I don't know anyone anything, you know, when they came

1740
01:32:51,747 --> 01:32:53,947
Speaker 25: to me, I had these rumors. I had these phone

1741
01:32:53,987 --> 01:32:56,067
Speaker 25: calls saying, you know, he's been in the ring, he's

1742
01:32:56,147 --> 01:32:58,667
Speaker 25: on these things that you should get on which I

1743
01:32:58,707 --> 01:33:01,987
Speaker 25: will never touch. And you're going to get a phone

1744
01:33:02,027 --> 01:33:04,587
Speaker 25: call two weeks later, our copper phone call about it. Well,

1745
01:33:04,627 --> 01:33:06,867
Speaker 25: if you want me to get off my couch, you

1746
01:33:06,947 --> 01:33:09,667
Speaker 25: want me to change my mindset for training to life,

1747
01:33:09,707 --> 01:33:13,027
Speaker 25: to training to fight, well, these are the these are

1748
01:33:13,067 --> 01:33:15,587
Speaker 25: the boundaries that I need that to be in place.

1749
01:33:15,907 --> 01:33:18,027
Speaker 25: And obviously the two minutes are there. But the drug

1750
01:33:18,107 --> 01:33:21,067
Speaker 25: testing story hasn't happened, happened, so I'm not too sure

1751
01:33:21,107 --> 01:33:22,907
Speaker 25: what's happening there. He's come out, he said he'll take

1752
01:33:22,947 --> 01:33:26,507
Speaker 25: drug he'll be drug tested, but nothing's happened. No Asada

1753
01:33:26,507 --> 01:33:29,787
Speaker 25: has called me, No one's wrong me about your whereabouts,

1754
01:33:29,827 --> 01:33:32,387
Speaker 25: And that's what usually happens in a professional sitting.

1755
01:33:33,347 --> 01:33:34,147
Speaker 23: So yeah, it's.

1756
01:33:35,547 --> 01:33:38,227
Speaker 25: It's one of those things where I think that the

1757
01:33:38,307 --> 01:33:40,547
Speaker 25: people involved understand that there may be a chance that

1758
01:33:40,707 --> 01:33:42,187
Speaker 25: something might come up and then the fight will be

1759
01:33:42,267 --> 01:33:43,827
Speaker 25: caught off. So for me, it's it's a bit of

1760
01:33:43,827 --> 01:33:45,067
Speaker 25: an equalizer, you know what I mean.

1761
01:33:45,267 --> 01:33:47,267
Speaker 2: So, do need that to happen before you'll fight them?

1762
01:33:47,347 --> 01:33:48,827
Speaker 2: Or are you just going to acpect?

1763
01:33:50,547 --> 01:33:52,267
Speaker 25: I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think

1764
01:33:52,267 --> 01:33:55,107
Speaker 25: it's going to happen, to be honest, And that's hence

1765
01:33:55,147 --> 01:33:57,667
Speaker 25: the reason why I was adamant and having these two

1766
01:33:57,707 --> 01:34:00,467
Speaker 25: things in place. So one of them is being ticked off.

1767
01:34:00,587 --> 01:34:03,347
Speaker 25: So we're going to get in the ring and find out.

1768
01:34:04,147 --> 01:34:05,827
Speaker 2: Is that your last fight is just the last hurrah?

1769
01:34:06,067 --> 01:34:06,267
Speaker 19: Yeah?

1770
01:34:06,387 --> 01:34:10,027
Speaker 23: I think so ber, I think man, I think so bro.

1771
01:34:11,387 --> 01:34:12,827
Speaker 2: My how's the final five kids?

1772
01:34:12,867 --> 01:34:12,987
Speaker 8: Man?

1773
01:34:13,067 --> 01:34:13,587
Speaker 2: How are you going?

1774
01:34:14,067 --> 01:34:14,267
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1775
01:34:14,347 --> 01:34:17,907
Speaker 25: Everyone's good man, it's five kids, it's five blessings. It's

1776
01:34:18,027 --> 01:34:20,187
Speaker 25: the hardest job in the world, but it's the most

1777
01:34:20,227 --> 01:34:22,987
Speaker 25: rewarding job in the world, you know. So I've gone

1778
01:34:23,147 --> 01:34:26,587
Speaker 25: up to Gold Coast. I'm training in Joy's camp along

1779
01:34:26,707 --> 01:34:31,347
Speaker 25: with his father, and it's been tough. But for me,

1780
01:34:32,747 --> 01:34:36,067
Speaker 25: I needed to step away from you know, I'm naturally

1781
01:34:36,107 --> 01:34:38,147
Speaker 25: a soft teddy behbro, So I needed to get into

1782
01:34:38,227 --> 01:34:42,667
Speaker 25: that mental state where it's be killed because my last

1783
01:34:42,747 --> 01:34:44,907
Speaker 25: fight I looked at Mark like just one of the

1784
01:34:45,107 --> 01:34:46,587
Speaker 25: sorts one of the brothers. Okay, we're gonna get in.

1785
01:34:46,627 --> 01:34:47,587
Speaker 25: We're gonna have a bit of a fight.

1786
01:34:47,707 --> 01:34:47,867
Speaker 6: You know.

1787
01:34:48,507 --> 01:34:51,587
Speaker 23: Nah, that's not gonna happen like that. So that's why

1788
01:34:51,587 --> 01:34:53,387
Speaker 23: I've taken myself out of.

1789
01:34:55,107 --> 01:34:58,907
Speaker 25: My family environment and I'm up there training, training hard daily,

1790
01:34:59,587 --> 01:35:00,627
Speaker 25: just really to give this.

1791
01:35:00,707 --> 01:35:01,467
Speaker 23: Guy a good hiding.

1792
01:35:02,227 --> 01:35:03,547
Speaker 2: And it's just the Warriors year.

1793
01:35:04,267 --> 01:35:07,227
Speaker 23: I hope, So, man, I hope. So I think let's

1794
01:35:07,347 --> 01:35:09,867
Speaker 23: let's see a Warrior's bulldogs. Fine, good one, wouldn't it.

1795
01:35:11,347 --> 01:35:13,827
Speaker 2: Well, before that can happen, we look forward to Wednesday,

1796
01:35:13,907 --> 01:35:17,027
Speaker 2: July sixteen. You and Paul Gallon in the ring in Sydney, Sonny,

1797
01:35:17,067 --> 01:35:18,747
Speaker 2: thanks for stopping in. All the best for the month

1798
01:35:18,787 --> 01:35:21,867
Speaker 2: they head and for the fight on July sixteen. Ask

1799
01:35:22,147 --> 01:35:23,867
Speaker 2: thanks man, take care now you take care as well.

1800
01:35:23,907 --> 01:35:26,227
Speaker 2: That's Sunny Bill Williams joining us in studio. So there

1801
01:35:26,227 --> 01:35:28,747
Speaker 2: you go. Kudos. Bank Arena, Sydney, Wednesday July sixteen, from

1802
01:35:28,787 --> 01:35:32,347
Speaker 2: seven thirty It's New Zealand Time Minuka fuel powering the fight.

1803
01:35:32,387 --> 01:35:34,627
Speaker 2: It's available live and exclusive here in New Zealand on

1804
01:35:34,707 --> 01:35:37,707
Speaker 2: pay per view from Sky Arena and Skysport. Now, look,

1805
01:35:37,787 --> 01:35:40,587
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say I'm the biggest boxing fan going around.

1806
01:35:41,307 --> 01:35:44,587
Speaker 2: But I reckon, I'll have a look at this. I reckon,

1807
01:35:44,627 --> 01:35:46,587
Speaker 2: I have a look at it. Paul Gallon. I saw

1808
01:35:46,667 --> 01:35:50,067
Speaker 2: lots of lots of footage of him during the week

1809
01:35:50,107 --> 01:35:51,787
Speaker 2: as I was getting ready to have a chat to

1810
01:35:51,787 --> 01:35:55,187
Speaker 2: Sonny Bill Williamson. Yeah, he's He's like granite, isn't he.

1811
01:35:55,267 --> 01:35:57,427
Speaker 2: You know, he's a he's a hard man. He is

1812
01:35:57,467 --> 01:35:59,747
Speaker 2: a hard man. But I can tell you Sonny Bill

1813
01:35:59,787 --> 01:36:02,347
Speaker 2: Williams is in is in pretty good shape as well.

1814
01:36:02,387 --> 01:36:05,107
Speaker 2: I can tell you. I'll just be I think it's

1815
01:36:05,907 --> 01:36:09,707
Speaker 2: be interesting to see what happens. Sonny just said he's

1816
01:36:09,707 --> 01:36:11,627
Speaker 2: not a boxer. And a lot of these guys, you know,

1817
01:36:11,707 --> 01:36:13,947
Speaker 2: they obviously, Paul Gallon made his name in rugby Lee

1818
01:36:14,787 --> 01:36:17,827
Speaker 2: Sonny Bill Williams and rugby le again rugby, but they've

1819
01:36:18,427 --> 01:36:21,947
Speaker 2: become boxers at the back end of their sporting careers

1820
01:36:22,027 --> 01:36:23,427
Speaker 2: and here they are set they have a go at

1821
01:36:23,427 --> 01:36:25,347
Speaker 2: one of those one of those where you hear them.

1822
01:36:25,747 --> 01:36:28,507
Speaker 2: You used to hear them talk a lot, you know,

1823
01:36:29,067 --> 01:36:30,947
Speaker 2: Paul Galliman say yeah, Sonny, Bill Williams, I want to

1824
01:36:30,947 --> 01:36:32,747
Speaker 2: fight you, and Sonny was so well, I'm here, let's

1825
01:36:32,787 --> 01:36:34,947
Speaker 2: do it. But it never came to pass, and you

1826
01:36:35,067 --> 01:36:37,947
Speaker 2: kind of wonder whether time it had moved on it

1827
01:36:38,067 --> 01:36:39,627
Speaker 2: wasn't going to happen because it wasn't going to happen

1828
01:36:39,667 --> 01:36:42,867
Speaker 2: now would never happen. But this July sixteen, Wednesday, July sixteenth,

1829
01:36:43,067 --> 01:36:47,667
Speaker 2: looking forward to to seeing what happens. It'd be interesting

1830
01:36:47,667 --> 01:36:49,027
Speaker 2: to hear thoughts if you want to phone them through

1831
01:36:49,227 --> 01:36:51,467
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine, two ninety two

1832
01:36:51,827 --> 01:36:55,787
Speaker 2: on text. The two minute rounds is interesting that there's

1833
01:36:55,827 --> 01:36:58,347
Speaker 2: been a bit of comments about that, whether that devalues

1834
01:36:58,427 --> 01:37:01,187
Speaker 2: this in any way, Like, I don't know, two minutes

1835
01:37:01,227 --> 01:37:03,307
Speaker 2: still a long time. Eight two minute rounds. Yeah, it's

1836
01:37:03,347 --> 01:37:06,987
Speaker 2: not twelve three minutes or anything close to that. As

1837
01:37:07,027 --> 01:37:10,427
Speaker 2: I say, I'll be having a look at it. Seventy

1838
01:37:10,467 --> 01:37:14,027
Speaker 2: one sixty four Indiana lead. Okay, see in game three?

1839
01:37:14,827 --> 01:37:18,707
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, game number is? What are we up to?

1840
01:37:18,827 --> 01:37:19,307
Speaker 2: Game four?

1841
01:37:19,787 --> 01:37:20,307
Speaker 12: Game four?

1842
01:37:20,387 --> 01:37:23,587
Speaker 2: Thank you Andy. Game four of the NBA Finals. Seventy

1843
01:37:23,627 --> 01:37:26,587
Speaker 2: one sixty four Indiana Pacers lead. They're in the third quarter,

1844
01:37:28,267 --> 01:37:30,427
Speaker 2: quite early in the third quarter, still seven minutes to go,

1845
01:37:30,667 --> 01:37:34,227
Speaker 2: so plenty of time. The Indiana crowd are enjoying themselves

1846
01:37:35,227 --> 01:37:39,667
Speaker 2: as they watch their pacers look to take a three

1847
01:37:39,707 --> 01:37:43,307
Speaker 2: to one lead and move to within one victory of

1848
01:37:43,507 --> 01:37:46,347
Speaker 2: claiming the NBA Championship. Okay, see, with plenty of time

1849
01:37:46,387 --> 01:37:49,427
Speaker 2: to get themselves back into this one, and then we

1850
01:37:49,507 --> 01:37:52,827
Speaker 2: will definitely obviously have a Game five regardless of what happens,

1851
01:37:52,867 --> 01:37:55,827
Speaker 2: and that will be back in Oklahoma City, that is

1852
01:37:56,027 --> 01:38:01,907
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, back in Oklahoma City, and then we basically

1853
01:38:01,947 --> 01:38:05,147
Speaker 2: alternate from here. This is the second straight game in

1854
01:38:05,347 --> 01:38:09,307
Speaker 2: Indiana to the first two were in Oklahoma City, and

1855
01:38:09,387 --> 01:38:12,307
Speaker 2: then we just alternate from here. So Tuesday, Game five,

1856
01:38:12,667 --> 01:38:17,267
Speaker 2: Game six if required as Friday, and then a decide

1857
01:38:17,267 --> 01:38:21,147
Speaker 2: in game seven again if required, would be on Monday,

1858
01:38:21,387 --> 01:38:24,987
Speaker 2: Dune the twenty third, two twenty two. It is our

1859
01:38:25,027 --> 01:38:28,067
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two niney two

1860
01:38:28,587 --> 01:38:33,147
Speaker 2: is our text line, Steve, Hello mate, how are very good?

1861
01:38:33,227 --> 01:38:33,507
Speaker 15: Steve?

1862
01:38:35,107 --> 01:38:35,227
Speaker 10: Hey?

1863
01:38:35,267 --> 01:38:36,867
Speaker 7: I thought this was a serious sports show.

1864
01:38:36,947 --> 01:38:37,147
Speaker 5: Grave.

1865
01:38:40,227 --> 01:38:42,667
Speaker 7: What do you guys covering with these old men Sunny

1866
01:38:42,707 --> 01:38:46,067
Speaker 7: Boy Williams and Paul Gillon. They'ren't even real boxes, bro,

1867
01:38:46,227 --> 01:38:48,067
Speaker 7: you know what I mean? He doesn't speak for the

1868
01:38:48,587 --> 01:38:50,787
Speaker 7: for the salmon people. I don't know what he's on about.

1869
01:38:51,547 --> 01:38:51,707
Speaker 12: You know.

1870
01:38:51,827 --> 01:38:55,747
Speaker 7: It's an absolute joke, you know. So it's probably over

1871
01:38:55,787 --> 01:38:58,387
Speaker 7: here just pumping the fight to make you some money.

1872
01:38:58,467 --> 01:39:00,907
Speaker 7: But he doesn't speak for the symn moons, bro, I'll

1873
01:39:00,947 --> 01:39:03,907
Speaker 7: say that now for free. He's a has been gone.

1874
01:39:03,987 --> 01:39:06,227
Speaker 7: It's all about money and that's all of That's all

1875
01:39:06,387 --> 01:39:06,587
Speaker 7: it is.

1876
01:39:07,067 --> 01:39:09,787
Speaker 5: It's a joke, So I take it you.

1877
01:39:09,867 --> 01:39:11,307
Speaker 2: I'd be tuning in then, Steve.

1878
01:39:11,827 --> 01:39:14,307
Speaker 7: I had broke and I'll be following it. And I

1879
01:39:14,467 --> 01:39:17,227
Speaker 7: just thought, this is just a couple of old boys

1880
01:39:17,587 --> 01:39:19,707
Speaker 7: trying to make some extra coin off the fact of

1881
01:39:19,867 --> 01:39:24,667
Speaker 7: some hardworking people of some bers hype story that really

1882
01:39:24,707 --> 01:39:26,747
Speaker 7: doesn't matter. I mean, these guys are nowhere near and

1883
01:39:26,987 --> 01:39:31,387
Speaker 7: I you know the IB for w A or WBC rankings, Well,

1884
01:39:31,427 --> 01:39:34,067
Speaker 7: what's you were talking about them?

1885
01:39:34,227 --> 01:39:34,347
Speaker 5: There?

1886
01:39:34,627 --> 01:39:39,547
Speaker 7: They're absolute joke, you know. I mean, day over take it.

1887
01:39:39,627 --> 01:39:42,987
Speaker 7: Actually take both of them out one round, one round each.

1888
01:39:43,507 --> 01:39:46,547
Speaker 7: So it's just a waste of people's time. And it's

1889
01:39:46,547 --> 01:39:49,147
Speaker 7: all about Sonny Bill Williams getting attention for himself. And

1890
01:39:49,827 --> 01:39:51,787
Speaker 7: if he really wanted to fight Paul Galli.

1891
01:39:53,507 --> 01:39:56,107
Speaker 2: Oh he's gone. We just lost. We just lost. I

1892
01:39:56,187 --> 01:39:58,267
Speaker 2: did not do I did not cut you off on purpose.

1893
01:39:58,627 --> 01:40:00,987
Speaker 2: I did not do that. I was enjoying that chat.

1894
01:40:02,827 --> 01:40:05,627
Speaker 2: We just seemed to lose Steve there. My apologies to

1895
01:40:05,707 --> 01:40:09,267
Speaker 2: that for that. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1896
01:40:09,427 --> 01:40:11,787
Speaker 2: is our number nine two ninety two on text two

1897
01:40:11,827 --> 01:40:15,147
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1898
01:40:15,227 --> 01:40:18,227
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1899
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1900
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1901
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1902
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1903
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1904
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1905
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1906
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1907
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1910
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1911
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1912
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Speaker 1: One Crouch Hold engaged weekends for with Jason Time and GJ.

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1914
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Speaker 1: talks A Bailey.

1915
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Speaker 2: Two twenty seven play has officially been suspended for the

1916
01:41:15,587 --> 01:41:18,787
Speaker 2: day at the US Golf Open due to dangerous weather

1917
01:41:18,947 --> 01:41:22,867
Speaker 2: and darkness. Thirteen players haven't quite completed their second rounds.

1918
01:41:23,107 --> 01:41:27,387
Speaker 2: Among them is the currently sixth placed South African Thristan Lawrence,

1919
01:41:27,507 --> 01:41:31,107
Speaker 2: who's on the final hole. Sam Burns leads by one shot.

1920
01:41:31,147 --> 01:41:33,707
Speaker 2: He's three under par after firing the low round of

1921
01:41:33,747 --> 01:41:37,267
Speaker 2: the championship a brilliant five under sixty five. Ryan Fox,

1922
01:41:37,307 --> 01:41:39,667
Speaker 2: of course, beat Sam Burns in a playoff at the

1923
01:41:39,707 --> 01:41:42,227
Speaker 2: Canadian Open last week. The key we is set to

1924
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Speaker 2: make the cut. Ryan Fox is five over Pars, so

1925
01:41:45,867 --> 01:41:49,427
Speaker 2: the cut is projected to be seven over. Rory McElroy

1926
01:41:49,467 --> 01:41:50,987
Speaker 2: going to be there as well, but he's six over.

1927
01:41:51,027 --> 01:41:53,827
Speaker 2: Scottish Sheffler four over, so that gives you an indication

1928
01:41:53,947 --> 01:41:58,747
Speaker 2: of the course. Someone who won't be there. Veteran Phil Mickelson.

1929
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Speaker 26: Just mess it would have been his twenty seventh made

1930
01:42:04,067 --> 01:42:07,347
Speaker 26: cut at the US Open, tying m with Sam Snead

1931
01:42:07,947 --> 01:42:13,787
Speaker 26: and Hale Irwin for the second most. But as it

1932
01:42:13,907 --> 01:42:17,307
Speaker 26: stands right now, Nicholson is on the outside looking in

1933
01:42:18,067 --> 01:42:23,627
Speaker 26: and will that be his last trip around as a

1934
01:42:23,707 --> 01:42:30,507
Speaker 26: competitor at a US Open. What a career for Phil Nicholson, truly,

1935
01:42:30,587 --> 01:42:33,627
Speaker 26: the only thing missing on his resume is the United

1936
01:42:33,667 --> 01:42:36,747
Speaker 26: States Open. He has done so much in this sport,

1937
01:42:37,907 --> 01:42:40,267
Speaker 26: and you are looking at a man who's most likely

1938
01:42:42,307 --> 01:42:44,667
Speaker 26: walking off the course at a US Open for the

1939
01:42:44,787 --> 01:42:46,267
Speaker 26: last time in his career.

1940
01:42:46,467 --> 01:42:49,187
Speaker 2: Yes, a bit a swite for Phil Nicholson, as he

1941
01:42:49,267 --> 01:42:52,227
Speaker 2: otherwise is grime. I guys has been watching on with

1942
01:42:52,387 --> 01:42:55,667
Speaker 2: interest and analyzing things. He joins US now grime just

1943
01:42:55,787 --> 01:42:59,107
Speaker 2: three players in the rid numbers. Could this tournament be

1944
01:42:59,187 --> 01:43:00,467
Speaker 2: won with an overpass score?

1945
01:43:02,307 --> 01:43:05,427
Speaker 16: Well, it was back in two thousand and seven Jason

1946
01:43:05,467 --> 01:43:09,507
Speaker 16: Wyn Anghel Cabrera won the US Open with a score

1947
01:43:09,547 --> 01:43:12,547
Speaker 16: of five over pars, so that wouldn't be surprising at all.

1948
01:43:13,107 --> 01:43:16,747
Speaker 16: I think the only thing that might actually change that is,

1949
01:43:16,907 --> 01:43:21,587
Speaker 16: as you mentioned, torrential rain late in the day, storms overnight,

1950
01:43:22,187 --> 01:43:23,947
Speaker 16: so there will be more rain, but we don't know

1951
01:43:24,067 --> 01:43:26,747
Speaker 16: how much that will soften the course up. How to

1952
01:43:26,987 --> 01:43:30,587
Speaker 16: continue to get firmer and faster. I think the odds

1953
01:43:30,667 --> 01:43:35,107
Speaker 16: on where that even par or worse would win. But

1954
01:43:35,307 --> 01:43:37,987
Speaker 16: now I think this opens the door for a few

1955
01:43:38,027 --> 01:43:40,747
Speaker 16: more guys to hold some fairways. And if you can

1956
01:43:40,827 --> 01:43:44,187
Speaker 16: hold the fairways, you can hit good shots into the greens.

1957
01:43:44,427 --> 01:43:47,307
Speaker 16: They will definitely be softer and a bit slower. So

1958
01:43:47,427 --> 01:43:49,387
Speaker 16: I wouldn't mind betting there'll be a couple of low

1959
01:43:49,467 --> 01:43:52,507
Speaker 16: scores out there tomorrow that will really stir things up

1960
01:43:53,067 --> 01:43:56,987
Speaker 16: heading into the final round, and possibly Scotty Cheffler or

1961
01:43:57,187 --> 01:44:02,187
Speaker 16: John Brahm or Brooks Kapta or Jordan Steif. Maybe the

1962
01:44:02,307 --> 01:44:04,867
Speaker 16: guys that post low numbers that come from behind.

1963
01:44:05,907 --> 01:44:08,227
Speaker 2: Give alluded to it there. But what does make this

1964
01:44:08,427 --> 01:44:09,187
Speaker 2: course so tough?

1965
01:44:11,587 --> 01:44:17,027
Speaker 16: Well, first of all, it slopes the fairways off and

1966
01:44:17,107 --> 01:44:19,947
Speaker 16: slope left to right to left. You're not hitting at

1967
01:44:19,947 --> 01:44:24,627
Speaker 16: a flat target. The greens are incredibly firm and fast

1968
01:44:25,547 --> 01:44:29,307
Speaker 16: run at speeds even when amateurs are playing club events

1969
01:44:29,707 --> 01:44:33,107
Speaker 16: at eighteen Would you believe they've actually run them when

1970
01:44:33,107 --> 01:44:35,387
Speaker 16: you consider that we put on greens that are about

1971
01:44:35,427 --> 01:44:38,787
Speaker 16: ten and the PGA two puts on greens about twelve

1972
01:44:38,867 --> 01:44:43,987
Speaker 16: and Augusta maybe thirteen, so they are severe. And then

1973
01:44:44,067 --> 01:44:48,067
Speaker 16: you toss in the bunkering, which is very penal and

1974
01:44:48,627 --> 01:44:51,507
Speaker 16: put five and a half inch rough on the golf course.

1975
01:44:52,067 --> 01:44:55,387
Speaker 16: So it's a nightmare. If you miss the fairway or

1976
01:44:55,467 --> 01:44:58,107
Speaker 16: you miss the green, you're in rough up to your

1977
01:44:58,147 --> 01:45:01,147
Speaker 16: ankles just trying to hack it out to get into

1978
01:45:01,187 --> 01:45:04,827
Speaker 16: the bunkers. Often you're impeded from going forward as much

1979
01:45:04,867 --> 01:45:08,187
Speaker 16: as you want to. So every single shot on this

1980
01:45:08,347 --> 01:45:12,347
Speaker 16: golf course is a challenge and it just wears it people,

1981
01:45:12,507 --> 01:45:16,147
Speaker 16: grinds them down. You've seen even Scotti Scheffler lose his

1982
01:45:16,307 --> 01:45:20,067
Speaker 16: temper and pound his club down after hitting an indifferent shot.

1983
01:45:20,507 --> 01:45:23,987
Speaker 16: Rory McElroy smashed one of the team markers, so there's

1984
01:45:24,027 --> 01:45:27,067
Speaker 16: all sorts of weird things going on. Even Shane Lowry

1985
01:45:28,187 --> 01:45:30,067
Speaker 16: picked up his ball on the green to clean it

1986
01:45:30,147 --> 01:45:33,347
Speaker 16: and forgot to market because he was so frazzled in

1987
01:45:33,427 --> 01:45:37,587
Speaker 16: his head. So it just gets to you. And it

1988
01:45:37,787 --> 01:45:42,227
Speaker 16: is recognized as America's hardest golf course. The members are

1989
01:45:42,347 --> 01:45:46,147
Speaker 16: proud of that, and there's a very good argument that

1990
01:45:46,267 --> 01:45:48,307
Speaker 16: it might be the hardest in the world day in.

1991
01:45:48,427 --> 01:45:51,747
Speaker 2: Day out, And isn't that what I guess many of

1992
01:45:51,867 --> 01:45:54,427
Speaker 2: us would like to see Graham, the world's best golfers

1993
01:45:54,947 --> 01:45:57,187
Speaker 2: challenged by the world's toughest golf course.

1994
01:45:59,307 --> 01:46:02,467
Speaker 16: Well, there's two schools of thought. One is that why

1995
01:46:02,547 --> 01:46:06,587
Speaker 16: would you embarrass these players who are the elite goals

1996
01:46:06,627 --> 01:46:08,387
Speaker 16: in the world and you're turning them into, you know,

1997
01:46:08,507 --> 01:46:12,027
Speaker 16: looking like club golfers. And the USGA says, we're not

1998
01:46:12,427 --> 01:46:17,907
Speaker 16: trying to punish good players, We're just trying to identify them.

1999
01:46:18,147 --> 01:46:21,427
Speaker 16: So you can take the argument either way you want.

2000
01:46:21,467 --> 01:46:24,067
Speaker 16: But if you turn up at a US Open, particularly

2001
01:46:24,507 --> 01:46:28,387
Speaker 16: some of the harder courses, this one in particular, you

2002
01:46:28,507 --> 01:46:33,107
Speaker 16: can expect a grinding experience. There's nobody that bounces out

2003
01:46:33,107 --> 01:46:34,827
Speaker 16: of here full of energy. Let me tell you that.

2004
01:46:37,067 --> 01:46:39,347
Speaker 2: I guess another way of asking the question, if this

2005
01:46:39,627 --> 01:46:42,507
Speaker 2: wasn't a major, how many of these guys would front

2006
01:46:42,587 --> 01:46:43,307
Speaker 2: up for this tournament.

2007
01:46:46,547 --> 01:46:49,347
Speaker 16: Well, there are some guys who like a challenge, so

2008
01:46:50,507 --> 01:46:52,547
Speaker 16: you would find that you get a pretty decent fit.

2009
01:46:52,787 --> 01:46:54,947
Speaker 16: But there'd be other people that just couldn't be boved

2010
01:46:54,987 --> 01:46:58,467
Speaker 16: because you know, they know they just don't have the

2011
01:46:58,587 --> 01:47:01,427
Speaker 16: game to deal with it. But the US Open is,

2012
01:47:02,347 --> 01:47:04,427
Speaker 16: you know, it is the mental grind of the year.

2013
01:47:05,227 --> 01:47:06,107
Speaker 15: The Masters says.

2014
01:47:06,987 --> 01:47:10,667
Speaker 16: Springtime in America, the launch of the official golf season

2015
01:47:10,907 --> 01:47:13,827
Speaker 16: best presented golf course in the world every year. The

2016
01:47:13,947 --> 01:47:16,987
Speaker 16: PGA is a very fair championship, I would say as

2017
01:47:16,987 --> 01:47:21,467
Speaker 16: a major. The British Open is still raw and blustery

2018
01:47:21,547 --> 01:47:24,747
Speaker 16: and played on the Lynx courses on the ocean, and

2019
01:47:24,867 --> 01:47:27,147
Speaker 16: the weather can be a big factor. And the US

2020
01:47:27,267 --> 01:47:31,387
Speaker 16: Open is just sheer hell and it's four days of grinding.

2021
01:47:32,587 --> 01:47:34,907
Speaker 2: Ryan Fox is there, of course, and he's having a

2022
01:47:35,067 --> 01:47:36,747
Speaker 2: wonderful time of things, as we all know, with a

2023
01:47:36,787 --> 01:47:39,267
Speaker 2: couple of wins in the last month or so. Five over,

2024
01:47:39,427 --> 01:47:42,427
Speaker 2: he's probably a bit far back to contend. What would

2025
01:47:42,427 --> 01:47:44,907
Speaker 2: be a good result for him in rounds three and four.

2026
01:47:46,547 --> 01:47:48,707
Speaker 16: Well, I don't think he is too far back to contend.

2027
01:47:49,987 --> 01:47:53,347
Speaker 16: I think with this rain and if they get more overnight,

2028
01:47:53,427 --> 01:47:57,627
Speaker 16: I mean it was torrential belting down that is definitely

2029
01:47:57,667 --> 01:47:59,547
Speaker 16: going to soften up the course, which is going to

2030
01:47:59,587 --> 01:48:03,147
Speaker 16: make it play differently from the first two days. Now,

2031
01:48:03,547 --> 01:48:05,067
Speaker 16: if you hit it in the rough, it's going to

2032
01:48:05,147 --> 01:48:07,387
Speaker 16: be bad or worse because the ruff's going to be

2033
01:48:07,787 --> 01:48:10,947
Speaker 16: high and even more juicy. But if you can keep

2034
01:48:10,987 --> 01:48:12,907
Speaker 16: it in play in a softer fair way helps you

2035
01:48:13,027 --> 01:48:15,667
Speaker 16: do that. You know, it wouldn't surprise me if we

2036
01:48:15,747 --> 01:48:18,147
Speaker 16: see a couple of sixty five or sixty six is

2037
01:48:18,227 --> 01:48:21,507
Speaker 16: there and really turn this thing on its head. And

2038
01:48:22,027 --> 01:48:26,147
Speaker 16: I would say any player from plus five on going

2039
01:48:26,227 --> 01:48:28,947
Speaker 16: into tomorrow's round, if conditions hold up the way I

2040
01:48:29,107 --> 01:48:33,147
Speaker 16: just described, is not without a chance. Because the players

2041
01:48:33,187 --> 01:48:36,667
Speaker 16: that are under par at the moment, Burns, JJ Spawn,

2042
01:48:36,867 --> 01:48:40,707
Speaker 16: and Victor Holin, none of those are one major championships before.

2043
01:48:41,107 --> 01:48:44,187
Speaker 16: This is new territory for them. Hovelin has performed well

2044
01:48:44,347 --> 01:48:46,667
Speaker 16: in the past and has won big events on the

2045
01:48:46,707 --> 01:48:50,827
Speaker 16: PGA too, but his game is very much a daily consideration.

2046
01:48:51,347 --> 01:48:54,467
Speaker 16: He's very erratic at this stage of his career, so

2047
01:48:54,627 --> 01:48:57,507
Speaker 16: there's not a lot of experience on top of the leaderboard.

2048
01:48:57,587 --> 01:48:59,507
Speaker 16: So you can bet the guys like cheff for at

2049
01:48:59,547 --> 01:49:04,107
Speaker 16: plus four, John Rammitt plus four and others like kept

2050
01:49:04,147 --> 01:49:07,307
Speaker 16: Cred plus two are going in with a lot of

2051
01:49:07,547 --> 01:49:09,507
Speaker 16: high hopes into that third round.

2052
01:49:10,307 --> 01:49:14,867
Speaker 2: It makes Sam Burn's second round astonishing, doesn't it. Sixty five?

2053
01:49:14,947 --> 01:49:17,427
Speaker 2: You mentioned they might be sixty five once the weather

2054
01:49:17,507 --> 01:49:20,867
Speaker 2: plays apart, But to shoot sixty five today, that's some round,

2055
01:49:20,947 --> 01:49:21,227
Speaker 2: isn't it.

2056
01:49:22,907 --> 01:49:26,387
Speaker 16: Yeah. I like Sam Burns a lot. His best friends

2057
01:49:26,427 --> 01:49:29,187
Speaker 16: with scottis Scheffler, and you know gets over shattered in

2058
01:49:29,267 --> 01:49:33,027
Speaker 16: that relation relationship. Although he has beaten Cheffler in a

2059
01:49:33,107 --> 01:49:36,507
Speaker 16: PGA Tour event before. He is the number one putter

2060
01:49:36,587 --> 01:49:39,027
Speaker 16: on the US Tour this year. That's why he's where

2061
01:49:39,067 --> 01:49:41,427
Speaker 16: he is. If he can keep the ball in play,

2062
01:49:42,307 --> 01:49:44,827
Speaker 16: he's one of the guys that I won't say he's comfortable,

2063
01:49:44,947 --> 01:49:46,907
Speaker 16: but he's one of the guys that can deal with

2064
01:49:47,027 --> 01:49:50,627
Speaker 16: the speed and undulation of these grants, which he showed

2065
01:49:50,707 --> 01:49:52,827
Speaker 16: with that sixty five today. Now it'll be hard to

2066
01:49:52,867 --> 01:49:55,427
Speaker 16: follow that up for him tomorrow. As I said, the

2067
01:49:55,467 --> 01:49:58,787
Speaker 16: pressure is going to really be on. But he deserves

2068
01:49:58,827 --> 01:50:00,787
Speaker 16: to be where he is, there's no question about that.

2069
01:50:01,667 --> 01:50:03,667
Speaker 2: And Phil Mikol said, we heard some audio there before

2070
01:50:03,707 --> 01:50:06,307
Speaker 2: of him missing the cut will be.

2071
01:50:06,667 --> 01:50:07,187
Speaker 7: For him.

2072
01:50:09,467 --> 01:50:14,187
Speaker 16: Well fifty five on Sunday here, which is Father's Day

2073
01:50:14,347 --> 01:50:19,027
Speaker 16: in the United States. His exemptions have run out. His

2074
01:50:19,227 --> 01:50:22,267
Speaker 16: last exemption for this event was when he won the PGA,

2075
01:50:23,027 --> 01:50:26,307
Speaker 16: the PGA Championship, what was it five years ago, just

2076
01:50:26,387 --> 01:50:30,587
Speaker 16: before he went to live So he's facing either a

2077
01:50:30,707 --> 01:50:34,387
Speaker 16: special invite from the USCA, and they'd been asked about

2078
01:50:34,427 --> 01:50:36,227
Speaker 16: that and they said, well, we'd prefer him to try

2079
01:50:36,267 --> 01:50:39,827
Speaker 16: and qualify. So that's his other path because winning on

2080
01:50:39,867 --> 01:50:41,907
Speaker 16: the Lift Tour doesn't get you in the US Open.

2081
01:50:41,987 --> 01:50:45,027
Speaker 16: But he can go to Open qualifying and try and

2082
01:50:45,067 --> 01:50:47,507
Speaker 16: get him that way. Or he might just say, look,

2083
01:50:47,947 --> 01:50:50,867
Speaker 16: I've played what is it, thirty one of them or

2084
01:50:50,947 --> 01:50:54,227
Speaker 16: something or other, been runner up six times. It's not

2085
01:50:54,387 --> 01:50:57,907
Speaker 16: in my destiny. That'll be it. So it'll be his decision.

2086
01:50:58,107 --> 01:50:59,707
Speaker 16: But it's not going to be easy for him to

2087
01:50:59,747 --> 01:51:01,667
Speaker 16: get in now because he's either going to have to

2088
01:51:01,747 --> 01:51:05,187
Speaker 16: get lucky or work all the way through qualifying events.

2089
01:51:05,827 --> 01:51:09,427
Speaker 2: All right, Always appreciate your analysis and your insight. That's great.

2090
01:51:09,507 --> 01:51:12,507
Speaker 2: Magas joining us to run an eye over the first

2091
01:51:12,587 --> 01:51:16,427
Speaker 2: couple of rounds of the US Open at the very

2092
01:51:16,587 --> 01:51:21,867
Speaker 2: very challenging Oakmont Course in Pennsylvania. Play officially suspended for

2093
01:51:21,947 --> 01:51:24,547
Speaker 2: the day due to dangerous weather and darkness. Sam Burns,

2094
01:51:24,987 --> 01:51:27,667
Speaker 2: we just talked about their leeds by one shot three under.

2095
01:51:27,987 --> 01:51:30,747
Speaker 2: He shot a sixty five in a second rounder. Here

2096
01:51:30,907 --> 01:51:35,507
Speaker 2: is his philosophy on on taming the savage set up

2097
01:51:35,707 --> 01:51:36,347
Speaker 2: at Oakmont.

2098
01:51:36,907 --> 01:51:38,547
Speaker 27: You know, for this golf course, you really just have

2099
01:51:38,627 --> 01:51:41,107
Speaker 27: to free it up. It's too hard to try to

2100
01:51:41,147 --> 01:51:43,747
Speaker 27: guide it around here, and you're gonna hit some of

2101
01:51:43,827 --> 01:51:45,547
Speaker 27: the rough. You're gonna hit someone in some bad spots,

2102
01:51:45,867 --> 01:51:48,147
Speaker 27: you know, you might as well do it authority. So yeah,

2103
01:51:48,227 --> 01:51:50,547
Speaker 27: it's gonna be a fun weekend. Yeah, and fun is

2104
01:51:50,587 --> 01:51:52,667
Speaker 27: one way of describing it. He knows he's not safe.

2105
01:51:52,747 --> 01:51:56,707
Speaker 27: Sam Burns at this legendarily tough course. I mean there's

2106
01:51:56,787 --> 01:51:59,147
Speaker 27: no there's no just kind of give me hole. There's

2107
01:51:59,187 --> 01:52:00,947
Speaker 27: no haul where you can just kind of get up

2108
01:52:00,987 --> 01:52:01,547
Speaker 27: there and just hit.

2109
01:52:01,587 --> 01:52:01,627
Speaker 19: It.

2110
01:52:01,787 --> 01:52:04,387
Speaker 27: Acquires a lot of focus on every shot. Every shot

2111
01:52:04,507 --> 01:52:07,107
Speaker 27: is difficult, you know, it's just pretty He takes him.

2112
01:52:07,307 --> 01:52:10,067
Speaker 2: That is Sam Burns who Ryan Fox beating that playoff

2113
01:52:10,347 --> 01:52:13,587
Speaker 2: last weekend at the Canadian Open. So Ryan Fox will

2114
01:52:13,747 --> 01:52:16,747
Speaker 2: make the cut. It is projected to be seven over.

2115
01:52:17,507 --> 01:52:21,427
Speaker 2: He is five over the card after his first two rounds.

2116
01:52:21,467 --> 01:52:24,467
Speaker 2: He shot a seventy two yesterday. That's two over seventy

2117
01:52:24,507 --> 01:52:26,587
Speaker 2: three today. Just have a quick look at his round

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Speaker 2: today and see how it played out. So he had

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01:52:29,747 --> 01:52:33,987
Speaker 2: bogie's on one, two and six, Ryan Fox. But then

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01:52:34,067 --> 01:52:38,307
Speaker 2: Birdie ten, another bogie at eleven, Birdie at thirteen, Bogie

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01:52:38,307 --> 01:52:41,307
Speaker 2: at fourteen, Berdie at fifteen, and the bogie at the last.

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01:52:41,907 --> 01:52:46,467
Speaker 2: So very much a title of the tape as far

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01:52:46,627 --> 01:52:51,227
Speaker 2: as the as far as this golf course is concerned.

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01:52:51,267 --> 01:52:54,507
Speaker 2: But as Graham said, maybe he's not too far back

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01:52:54,587 --> 01:52:58,547
Speaker 2: to contend anybody within seven or eight shots. With the

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01:52:59,627 --> 01:53:02,347
Speaker 2: weather coming and maybe things softening up a bit, who knows.

2127
01:53:02,747 --> 01:53:04,547
Speaker 2: So look forward to seeing how Ryan Fox goes. He's

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01:53:04,547 --> 01:53:07,467
Speaker 2: playing the weekend at a major. I mean, it's a

2129
01:53:07,507 --> 01:53:11,067
Speaker 2: pretty good ticking in the box, isn't it. Nearly halftime

2130
01:53:11,267 --> 01:53:16,587
Speaker 2: in Game four of the NBA Finals Series, Indiana with

2131
01:53:16,667 --> 01:53:19,147
Speaker 2: an eight point lead over OKCE eighty six seventy eight.

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01:53:19,227 --> 01:53:22,547
Speaker 2: They lead as we approach three quarter time, remembering that

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01:53:22,627 --> 01:53:24,227
Speaker 2: Indiana can open up a three to one lead in

2134
01:53:24,267 --> 01:53:27,227
Speaker 2: the series if they get this victory on their home court.

2135
01:53:27,227 --> 01:53:30,267
Speaker 2: They have to go to Oklahoma City to win in five,

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01:53:30,507 --> 01:53:32,027
Speaker 2: or could come back and win it in six. But

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01:53:32,067 --> 01:53:33,707
Speaker 2: at the moment eighty six to seventy eight ahead, with

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01:53:34,307 --> 01:53:38,547
Speaker 2: time almost up in the third quarter, twenty to three,

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01:53:38,867 --> 01:53:42,427
Speaker 2: whomen come back. It's to Liam Lawson and his really

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01:53:42,507 --> 01:53:46,467
Speaker 2: impressive day in free practice for the Canadian Grand Prix.

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Speaker 2: Our motorsport expert Alex Powell going to break it down

2142
01:53:49,507 --> 01:53:50,147
Speaker 2: for us after.

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Speaker 1: This, would you be the TMO have your say? On

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason

2145
01:53:57,227 --> 01:54:01,267
Speaker 1: Pine and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder

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01:54:01,387 --> 01:54:02,347
Speaker 1: News Dogs they'd.

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01:54:02,187 --> 01:54:05,307
Speaker 2: Be seventeen to three. Liam Lawson's log two top ten

2148
01:54:05,387 --> 01:54:08,547
Speaker 2: finishers in practice for Formula ones Canadian Grand Prix. The

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01:54:08,627 --> 01:54:12,147
Speaker 2: Key with Racing Balls driver finished eighth and tenth respectively

2150
01:54:12,467 --> 01:54:14,427
Speaker 2: on the first day of the race weekend.

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01:54:15,107 --> 01:54:18,227
Speaker 28: It's positive as close as usual at the moment. Personally,

2152
01:54:18,267 --> 01:54:20,067
Speaker 28: it's been a fun day. It's a cool track. It's

2153
01:54:20,107 --> 01:54:23,147
Speaker 28: been a place of once it come to you for

2154
01:54:23,187 --> 01:54:25,387
Speaker 28: a long time. So just very very close. We need

2155
01:54:25,467 --> 01:54:28,987
Speaker 28: to keep pushing the limits and finding everybody speed we can.

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01:54:29,067 --> 01:54:31,747
Speaker 2: Qualifying tomorrow morning. The race itself goes at six on

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01:54:31,947 --> 01:54:34,667
Speaker 2: Monday morning, New Zealand Time. Let's bring in our Formula

2158
01:54:34,707 --> 01:54:37,747
Speaker 2: one expert from the New Zealand Herald, Alex Powell. Alex,

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01:54:37,787 --> 01:54:40,347
Speaker 2: thanks for stopping and how happy will Liam Lawson be

2160
01:54:40,547 --> 01:54:42,827
Speaker 2: with his day afternoon?

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01:54:42,907 --> 01:54:45,387
Speaker 29: Piney hope you will. I think he will be content

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01:54:45,547 --> 01:54:47,467
Speaker 29: with his day. But it's also you do have to

2163
01:54:47,547 --> 01:54:49,347
Speaker 29: look at practice with a grain of salt that you

2164
01:54:49,507 --> 01:54:51,707
Speaker 29: don't win anything on a Friday.

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01:54:52,107 --> 01:54:55,187
Speaker 2: Tell us about that, because I I am interested to

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01:54:55,267 --> 01:54:59,667
Speaker 2: know how accurate and indicator practice is to the way

2167
01:54:59,827 --> 01:55:01,947
Speaker 2: that a weekend might play out for somebody.

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01:55:03,027 --> 01:55:06,067
Speaker 29: So generally, practice one you get to grips with the

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01:55:06,107 --> 01:55:08,467
Speaker 29: trad and what your strategy might be, how you set

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01:55:08,507 --> 01:55:12,347
Speaker 29: your car up. Practice two is generally quite a good

2171
01:55:12,387 --> 01:55:14,307
Speaker 29: indicator of how qualifying's going to be because it'll be

2172
01:55:14,387 --> 01:55:17,107
Speaker 29: similar conditions, the time of the day it's raced, and

2173
01:55:17,187 --> 01:55:19,067
Speaker 29: everything you've learned you've just come in from a session

2174
01:55:19,107 --> 01:55:22,107
Speaker 29: before that. In terms of how a race relates to practice,

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01:55:22,147 --> 01:55:24,187
Speaker 29: I mean, it's very rare that you see anything like

2176
01:55:24,227 --> 01:55:26,307
Speaker 29: that because just the conditions of a race are different

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01:55:26,347 --> 01:55:28,387
Speaker 29: to anything you get in the sport anywhere else.

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01:55:28,667 --> 01:55:31,547
Speaker 2: So just for clarity during practice, are they all out

2179
01:55:31,547 --> 01:55:33,547
Speaker 2: there together? Are there fewer cars on the track? How

2180
01:55:33,587 --> 01:55:34,067
Speaker 2: does it work?

2181
01:55:34,427 --> 01:55:36,467
Speaker 29: So you get an hour an hour to where you

2182
01:55:36,707 --> 01:55:39,107
Speaker 29: basically do whatever you want. Not all cars will be

2183
01:55:39,187 --> 01:55:40,507
Speaker 29: on the track at the same time, but that is

2184
01:55:40,547 --> 01:55:43,547
Speaker 29: a possibility you can do. You know, you control something

2185
01:55:43,587 --> 01:55:45,587
Speaker 29: with your wing or your tires or you fuel load,

2186
01:55:45,987 --> 01:55:48,067
Speaker 29: come back into the perch, make a couple of changes,

2187
01:55:48,107 --> 01:55:49,627
Speaker 29: and then go back out. You've got an hour to

2188
01:55:49,707 --> 01:55:50,547
Speaker 29: do whatever you.

2189
01:55:50,587 --> 01:55:53,787
Speaker 2: Want and what each lap is timed, and that's what

2190
01:55:53,907 --> 01:55:56,627
Speaker 2: we find with these results. Of course they don't mean

2191
01:55:56,667 --> 01:55:59,467
Speaker 2: anything to do they but that's how your track lap

2192
01:55:59,547 --> 01:56:01,787
Speaker 2: times and how we're Williams today.

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01:56:02,387 --> 01:56:04,027
Speaker 29: So generally at the end, towards the end of a

2194
01:56:04,067 --> 01:56:06,587
Speaker 29: session you'll have what you'll call a push lap where

2195
01:56:06,627 --> 01:56:10,787
Speaker 29: you'll just try and set the fastest time. I thought

2196
01:56:10,947 --> 01:56:13,187
Speaker 29: Liam Lawson was very good today. There was a very

2197
01:56:13,227 --> 01:56:16,427
Speaker 29: good battle between Isaac Hadjar and Liam. They finished, you know,

2198
01:56:16,827 --> 01:56:20,027
Speaker 29: a couple of tenths apart each time. Obviously, this season

2199
01:56:20,147 --> 01:56:23,187
Speaker 29: has basically been the story of Liam being out driven

2200
01:56:23,347 --> 01:56:26,067
Speaker 29: by Hadjar, and again this is only practice. We might

2201
01:56:26,147 --> 01:56:27,987
Speaker 29: know what's going to happen tomorrow in the race. But

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01:56:28,387 --> 01:56:30,427
Speaker 29: for me today it felt as close as it's been

2203
01:56:30,547 --> 01:56:33,027
Speaker 29: between them, and that I'm reading is a really good

2204
01:56:33,067 --> 01:56:35,027
Speaker 29: sign because we know that Liam's had a bit of

2205
01:56:35,027 --> 01:56:36,547
Speaker 29: a knock this year with what happened to him at

2206
01:56:36,587 --> 01:56:38,707
Speaker 29: Red Bull, and it wasn't going to be enough. It

2207
01:56:38,747 --> 01:56:40,187
Speaker 29: was going to be a winning out his confidence back.

2208
01:56:40,267 --> 01:56:42,547
Speaker 29: But the issue is that in that time Hadjar has

2209
01:56:42,627 --> 01:56:45,467
Speaker 29: just really been probably the standout driver on the whole grid,

2210
01:56:45,587 --> 01:56:46,547
Speaker 29: not just at racing balls.

2211
01:56:46,987 --> 01:56:50,387
Speaker 2: Do you think that Liam uses that either openly or

2212
01:56:50,547 --> 01:56:52,867
Speaker 2: privately as a motivator as well.

2213
01:56:53,987 --> 01:56:57,867
Speaker 29: I think he's very motivated as is. It's not I've

2214
01:56:57,907 --> 01:56:59,907
Speaker 29: covered Lim since he was seventeen years old, and he's

2215
01:56:59,907 --> 01:57:03,587
Speaker 29: always been very aware of the sacrifices that other people

2216
01:57:03,627 --> 01:57:05,187
Speaker 29: have made to get him to where he is. Like

2217
01:57:05,267 --> 01:57:07,707
Speaker 29: his parents sold his tap else when he was young

2218
01:57:07,787 --> 01:57:10,427
Speaker 29: to fund his gokarting career and it only gets more

2219
01:57:10,467 --> 01:57:11,187
Speaker 29: expensive after that.

2220
01:57:11,267 --> 01:57:12,227
Speaker 23: So he knows.

2221
01:57:13,507 --> 01:57:15,827
Speaker 29: What's at stake and that's not just unique to lem

2222
01:57:15,867 --> 01:57:17,747
Speaker 29: Laws and that's a trait that most drivers out of

2223
01:57:17,787 --> 01:57:19,987
Speaker 29: New Zealand share because we're not a very big country.

2224
01:57:20,067 --> 01:57:23,107
Speaker 29: We don't have the benefactors that are prepared to put

2225
01:57:23,187 --> 01:57:25,587
Speaker 29: millions of dollars into a kid to get them to

2226
01:57:25,747 --> 01:57:29,267
Speaker 29: F one. So whether or not being dropped by Red

2227
01:57:29,307 --> 01:57:31,107
Speaker 29: Bull is just another motivator forum.

2228
01:57:31,947 --> 01:57:34,747
Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably for him to say and not us. I,

2229
01:57:35,587 --> 01:57:38,467
Speaker 2: as you've said, are taking these Oh I'm taking these

2230
01:57:38,627 --> 01:57:41,587
Speaker 2: results with a grain of salt because they are only practiced.

2231
01:57:41,587 --> 01:57:44,027
Speaker 2: But I have to go down to nine to find

2232
01:57:44,187 --> 01:57:46,227
Speaker 2: max for stapping. Is that significant or not?

2233
01:57:46,907 --> 01:57:46,947
Speaker 12: So?

2234
01:57:47,107 --> 01:57:50,187
Speaker 29: Red Bull have actually had a very bad run of

2235
01:57:50,227 --> 01:57:54,467
Speaker 29: Friday practices all season. Yeah, so generally that car is

2236
01:57:54,587 --> 01:57:57,747
Speaker 29: so temperamental the RB twenty one that only really maxims

2237
01:57:57,787 --> 01:58:00,067
Speaker 29: get anything out of that Friday. They'll try and try

2238
01:58:00,107 --> 01:58:02,147
Speaker 29: a few things and learn what works and what doesn't work.

2239
01:58:02,387 --> 01:58:04,947
Speaker 29: They'll churn it up overnight and then the Saturday, so

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Speaker 29: Sunday morning our time will be when you really see

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01:58:07,547 --> 01:58:09,627
Speaker 29: what it is and through practice three and into qualifying.

2242
01:58:10,067 --> 01:58:11,987
Speaker 2: Just while we're on max for step and he collided

2243
01:58:11,987 --> 01:58:14,347
Speaker 2: with George Russell the Spanish Grand Prix couple of weeks ago,

2244
01:58:14,547 --> 01:58:18,387
Speaker 2: issued with three points on his super license, which basically

2245
01:58:18,507 --> 01:58:21,067
Speaker 2: means he's one more infringement away from a race.

2246
01:58:21,187 --> 01:58:21,387
Speaker 6: Band.

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01:58:21,667 --> 01:58:23,747
Speaker 2: I think he's got two races to avoid that before

2248
01:58:24,027 --> 01:58:26,187
Speaker 2: some of the points drop off over a twelve month period.

2249
01:58:26,787 --> 01:58:29,987
Speaker 2: If he were to drop out for a race, who

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01:58:30,027 --> 01:58:31,027
Speaker 2: would take his seat.

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01:58:31,947 --> 01:58:34,747
Speaker 29: It's very interesting and there's a lot of chat around

2252
01:58:34,787 --> 01:58:36,867
Speaker 29: who's going to do that. So from the people I've

2253
01:58:36,907 --> 01:58:39,747
Speaker 29: spoken to, Red Bull don't at the moment have a

2254
01:58:39,827 --> 01:58:42,147
Speaker 29: clear preference one way the other out of Liam Lawson

2255
01:58:42,227 --> 01:58:46,507
Speaker 29: or Isaac Knja. It's understood that Liam's experience in the

2256
01:58:46,627 --> 01:58:49,747
Speaker 29: RB twenty one and combined with hajjarz An experience in

2257
01:58:49,827 --> 01:58:53,987
Speaker 29: Formula one would mean Lawson is actually slightly ahead if

2258
01:58:54,027 --> 01:58:56,747
Speaker 29: they did need to make that change. However, the real

2259
01:58:57,067 --> 01:58:59,467
Speaker 29: I mean red Herring and all this is in Betwel.

2260
01:58:59,747 --> 01:59:02,347
Speaker 29: Earlier this week, Arvid Limblad, who is an F two

2261
01:59:02,467 --> 01:59:04,947
Speaker 29: driver with Red Bull was given dispensation to get his

2262
01:59:05,027 --> 01:59:07,627
Speaker 29: super license early. So super licenses what you need to

2263
01:59:07,827 --> 01:59:09,827
Speaker 29: be qualified to get into F one. It's actually sort

2264
01:59:09,827 --> 01:59:11,387
Speaker 29: of like an anti max for stap And rule that

2265
01:59:11,427 --> 01:59:13,187
Speaker 29: the Fire have bought in because of Stappen was in

2266
01:59:13,267 --> 01:59:15,427
Speaker 29: that car at sixteen, so they brought in the super

2267
01:59:15,467 --> 01:59:16,747
Speaker 29: license rule that you have to be eighteen to get

2268
01:59:16,747 --> 01:59:19,707
Speaker 29: Limblad Scott has at seventeen. Red Bull Wine have done

2269
01:59:19,747 --> 01:59:22,307
Speaker 29: that for no reason. You know they will very clearly

2270
01:59:22,347 --> 01:59:24,827
Speaker 29: have a plan. So whether or not that's limb Bladd

2271
01:59:24,867 --> 01:59:26,707
Speaker 29: comes in later this year for a race or two.

2272
01:59:26,747 --> 01:59:28,907
Speaker 29: Here they're like what Brendan Hartley got when he came

2273
01:59:28,987 --> 01:59:31,387
Speaker 29: in and would that be at the expensive lim Mawson?

2274
01:59:31,387 --> 01:59:33,587
Speaker 29: Would that be expensive Yuki Sonoda, and then you see

2275
01:59:33,627 --> 01:59:36,387
Speaker 29: Isaac cantcha and move up. It's all a bit musical chairs.

2276
01:59:37,227 --> 01:59:40,227
Speaker 29: So to answer your question in short I think in

2277
01:59:40,387 --> 01:59:44,547
Speaker 29: the unlikely event that Stappan gets banned, I would like

2278
01:59:44,627 --> 01:59:47,667
Speaker 29: to think Liam Lawson would get another shot, And that

2279
01:59:47,827 --> 01:59:49,307
Speaker 29: seems to be how the cards are falling at home.

2280
01:59:49,347 --> 01:59:51,147
Speaker 29: But we just don't know anything could happen over these

2281
01:59:51,187 --> 01:59:51,827
Speaker 29: next couple of days.

2282
01:59:51,907 --> 01:59:53,547
Speaker 2: Of course, as you alluded to, and as we all know,

2283
01:59:53,747 --> 01:59:56,907
Speaker 2: Liam started the season with Red Bull dropped into the

2284
01:59:57,027 --> 02:00:00,867
Speaker 2: Racing Bulls team. Yuki Sonoda took that seat. How's he

2285
02:00:00,987 --> 02:00:02,627
Speaker 2: going not flash?

2286
02:00:02,707 --> 02:00:04,547
Speaker 29: And you do fail for Yuki like he is a

2287
02:00:04,587 --> 02:00:06,867
Speaker 29: good driver, like all these guys these I mean, in

2288
02:00:06,987 --> 02:00:08,867
Speaker 29: theory the twenty best drivers in the world, but you

2289
02:00:08,947 --> 02:00:11,067
Speaker 29: put anyone next to Max Forstappen and they're just going

2290
02:00:11,107 --> 02:00:12,907
Speaker 29: to struggle because of the way that team set up.

2291
02:00:13,027 --> 02:00:15,027
Speaker 29: And like Yuki has become a bit of a figure

2292
02:00:15,067 --> 02:00:17,147
Speaker 29: of fun for Kiwis as you know, the guy that

2293
02:00:17,707 --> 02:00:19,427
Speaker 29: I don't know. As a coping mechanism, we just try

2294
02:00:19,427 --> 02:00:21,027
Speaker 29: and tear him down to make our guy feel a

2295
02:00:21,067 --> 02:00:23,827
Speaker 29: bit better. But it's not very nice to see guys

2296
02:00:23,827 --> 02:00:27,067
Speaker 29: struggle like he started last in Spain, and like we

2297
02:00:27,267 --> 02:00:28,347
Speaker 29: know he's a better driver than that.

2298
02:00:29,507 --> 02:00:33,627
Speaker 2: And in a wider sense. PS Three Norris, the two

2299
02:00:33,667 --> 02:00:36,067
Speaker 2: McLaren drivers one and two and the driver's standings at

2300
02:00:36,067 --> 02:00:39,267
Speaker 2: the moment they're they're opening up quite the gap, aren't

2301
02:00:39,267 --> 02:00:42,147
Speaker 2: they back to for Stapan and then George Russell and

2302
02:00:42,227 --> 02:00:44,267
Speaker 2: the Mercedes are the McLaren's just faster.

2303
02:00:44,867 --> 02:00:46,987
Speaker 29: Yeah, I mean there's nowhere around it that they just

2304
02:00:47,147 --> 02:00:50,307
Speaker 29: have a very good car in combination with two very

2305
02:00:50,347 --> 02:00:52,547
Speaker 29: good drivers. And then ps three everything year about him.

2306
02:00:52,547 --> 02:00:54,547
Speaker 29: So Pstre raced in Formula two at the same time

2307
02:00:54,587 --> 02:00:57,267
Speaker 29: as Lem Lawson. The whole point of Formula two is

2308
02:00:57,387 --> 02:00:59,267
Speaker 29: everything is supposed to bears, even as it can be,

2309
02:00:59,747 --> 02:01:02,787
Speaker 29: so that you get things like reverse good races where

2310
02:01:02,987 --> 02:01:05,147
Speaker 29: just to level the playing field. Oscar Pstre was so

2311
02:01:05,347 --> 02:01:07,507
Speaker 29: far in front of everyone else in that championship it's

2312
02:01:07,587 --> 02:01:10,227
Speaker 29: not even funny. So if he isn't the world champion

2313
02:01:10,467 --> 02:01:12,307
Speaker 29: in a few months time, whilst a few months at

2314
02:01:12,307 --> 02:01:14,227
Speaker 29: the end of the year, I would be very surprised.

2315
02:01:14,587 --> 02:01:16,747
Speaker 2: How often has Liam raced the circuit before?

2316
02:01:17,227 --> 02:01:19,907
Speaker 29: Never So Formula two and for me three don't really

2317
02:01:19,947 --> 02:01:22,267
Speaker 29: go to Canada. It's quite expensive to move everything around,

2318
02:01:22,307 --> 02:01:23,907
Speaker 29: so when you go to places like the Americas in

2319
02:01:23,907 --> 02:01:26,907
Speaker 29: the Middle East, you don't really get the same calendar

2320
02:01:26,987 --> 02:01:29,267
Speaker 29: sharing that you'd get with F one. So this will

2321
02:01:29,307 --> 02:01:31,187
Speaker 29: be his first proper race in a single seater at

2322
02:01:31,227 --> 02:01:31,587
Speaker 29: this track.

2323
02:01:31,947 --> 02:01:36,187
Speaker 2: And in terms of the race itself, how challenging is

2324
02:01:36,267 --> 02:01:39,067
Speaker 2: it to pass? How challenging or not is it to

2325
02:01:39,147 --> 02:01:42,027
Speaker 2: move up the field if you qualify outside the top ten?

2326
02:01:42,387 --> 02:01:44,027
Speaker 2: Could you be in the top ten during the race?

2327
02:01:44,067 --> 02:01:46,147
Speaker 2: What's the situation with the track in that regard?

2328
02:01:46,667 --> 02:01:48,827
Speaker 29: So Canada is quite it's not a I mean, the

2329
02:01:48,867 --> 02:01:50,547
Speaker 29: way the cars are built now, they're so big, so

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Speaker 29: overtaking is quite difficult in general. But Canada has three

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Speaker 29: drs zones where you can open your back wing up

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Speaker 29: if you're in a one second of the card front

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Speaker 29: of it gives you a little bit of a boost

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Speaker 29: to go past them. So Canada's got three of those,

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Speaker 29: which in theory means it's good for overtaking. However, we

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Speaker 29: know that as we've seen in places like Imila, in

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Speaker 29: place like Monica, when Monico's the lawn to itself. But

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Speaker 29: overtaking this year hasn't really been at a premium, so

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Speaker 29: we will just have to wait and see how they go.

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Speaker 2: All right, So qualifying nice and high is I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's it sounds stupid to always, but yeah, always good

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Speaker 2: to qualify as highup the grid as you can. So

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Speaker 2: are we looking at Liam in the top ten and

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Speaker 2: qualifying tomorrow fingers.

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Speaker 29: Crossed, fingers cross from as always he had. That's actually

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Speaker 29: been quite a frustration from the season, I think, because

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Speaker 29: he is generally very good over one lap, but for

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Speaker 29: whatever reason, something will just go against them and he's

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Speaker 29: you hear him when he speaks afterwards, and he'll know

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Speaker 29: exactly what went wrong, and it's just when they keep

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Speaker 29: piling up like that, like we saw Monico when he

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Speaker 29: when he called f the top ten, like finally he

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Speaker 29: had a week end where everything just went his way

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Speaker 29: and that's when he got his best finished. Like that's

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Speaker 29: not a coincidence. So if he can have everything sort

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Speaker 29: of go fall in his favor, then there's no reason

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Speaker 29: why he can't get resolve like we saw Daniel Ricardo

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Speaker 29: last year in that same car qualified first.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, let's hope for similar things for Liam

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Speaker 2: Lawson tomorrow morning. Thanks for your analysis and your expertise

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Speaker 2: this afternoon. Alex really appreciate it. Jess Bloney, Now, thanks mate,

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Speaker 2: that as Alex Powell read him at ensaid here co

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Speaker 2: dot MZ is excellent coverage of Formula One, including Liam Lawson.

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Speaker 2: So third practice is tomorrow around four to thirty New

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Speaker 2: Zealand time, that's am and then qualifying from eight tomorrow

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Speaker 2: morning and then we'll find out where Liam is on

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Speaker 2: the grid for the race itself six o'clock Monday morning,

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Speaker 2: New Zealand time. It is seven and a half to three.

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Speaker 2: News Talks INB.

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Speaker 1: The scoop for the track field and the court on

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Speaker 1: your home of sort weekends for it.

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Speaker 2: Where's Jason Vine News Talks NB four to three. That's

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Speaker 2: the show. We're back tomorrow midday to three including a

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Speaker 2: big look at whatever happens tonight and Hamilton chiefs V

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Speaker 2: Brumby's thanks for listening, Thanks Jena McDonald for producing as always,

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Speaker 2: what's our exit songs that I mate.

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Speaker 30: Well Piney of course, it's twenty years since Michael Campbell

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Speaker 30: did the amazing feed of winning the US Open, so

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Speaker 30: we went back twenty years on the New Zealand Music

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Speaker 30: Charts number one at the time. Oh we were a

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Speaker 30: sad bunch back then, but the number one song was

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Speaker 30: Lonely by Acon, so that's what's I don't know what

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Speaker 30: was up with our mental health back then. But that's

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Speaker 30: all right, that's the song we're going out with.

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Speaker 2: Don't mind it. See tomorrow midday folks, Well.

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Speaker 2: Mister so loly, so loly, so lo.

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