1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: I've got some good news for wool and of course 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: we're using taxpayer money to finance bright ideas. Kee wee 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: wool Company, keep company rather, Wool Source has signed its 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: first commercial export order for its innovative wool particle products. 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: The deal is going to supply eight tons to a 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Japanese personal care company. Andrew Morrison is the chair of 7 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: Wool Research Organization of New Zealand and with us Morning, 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: Andrew Willing Heather here, I am, I'm well, thanks mate. 9 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: What's an innovative wool particle product? 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: A wall particle product? As look, we were charged with 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 2: the set, I said, for God's sake, we're struggling a 12 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: bit in the second. We've got some really good traditional products, 13 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 2: but can you go and find us some new uses, 14 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: some new markets and some new customers. So basically we've 15 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: been running about a seven year research program deconstructing strong 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: wall down to that molecular level and then finding applications 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: for it. So this was our first shipment going into 18 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: the personal care market. Particles are a precursor to air 19 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: absolute Holy Grails, which is powders in pigments. So yeah, 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: it's great break and getting their first ship there, and 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: pretty excited about that. 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: So are these guys in Japan sticking it in the 23 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: old cosmetics? 24 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, these are going into personal cares. We've done a 25 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: big bunch of research, you know, the the hydrolyzed carrat 26 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: and or the shampoo market's massive, the pet shampoo market 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: is massive. These particles we use, we're also working with companies, 28 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 2: you know, to infuse them into sort of a bier 29 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 2: retardancy capability and the built environment. These particles are precursors 30 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: to powders. Powders we use in the packaging coding for 31 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: sort of you know those cosmetic packaging or food grade packaging. 32 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 2: And then finally if we and we're well down the 33 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: path of cracking that market into the pigments market. You know, 34 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: pigment is a massive market forty billion US screen printing, 35 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: flexo printing, and digital printing. So we are using these 36 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: these deconstructed wall molecular particles to carry their pigments. So 37 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: pretty excited about that. 38 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: Do you know, Andrew, what this deal is worth for 39 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: the Japanese company? I mean, does it does it cover 40 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: off the three and a half million that the taxpayers 41 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: have put into this? 42 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: This is the startup. I mean the reality is now, 43 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: look this is their first shipment, so we've got a 44 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 2: we've got a sheep industry that's struggling out there. That's 45 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: why we're doing this work. You know, we have a 46 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 2: lot of talk around land use change trees on sheep farms. 47 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 2: Sheep beef state in New Zealand is about eighty percent 48 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: of the New Zealand sort of farming estate. For God's say. 49 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: You know, we've got two point six million hectors a dairy, 50 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: about eight million hectares of sheep and beep state. We've 51 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: got to make that set the profitaboard again. And that's 52 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: what we're doing here. So look, look this is a startup. 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: This is a five tech startup. This is the first 54 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: shipment and this only comes out of our pilot plant. 55 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: So we're just in negotiatings with partners around building our 56 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: first commercial facility build. So you know, this is a 57 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: long hall set of game and to be fair, this 58 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 2: is just the first run on the board today. 59 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: Good stuff. We'll best of luck with it. Sounds promising. 60 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: Andrew Morrison's Chair of All Research Organization of New Zealand. 61 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 2: For more or from the Mic Asking Breakfast listen live 62 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: to News Talk set B from six am weekdays, or 63 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 2: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio