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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks AB Mike Cardle.

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Speaker 2: He's travel correspondent. He's here this morning.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good morning, Jack.

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Speaker 4: I was just saying to Libby since Antonio Prebble was

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Speaker 4: on your show a couple of weeks ago with Francesca,

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Speaker 4: I have become totally addicted to Outrageous Fortune.

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Speaker 2: Oh have you really did? You watched it back in

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Speaker 2: the day, though, didn't you?

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Speaker 4: Well, I was saying to Libby, I didn't actually watch

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Speaker 4: season one or two when it was first on, So

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Speaker 4: I've been in a major retro mode Jack with my

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Speaker 4: viewing lately. And yeah, oh man, it's such vintage New

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Speaker 4: Zealand television.

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Speaker 2: Is excellent New Zealand TV. Yeah. I should actually go

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Speaker 2: back and watch it as well, because I loved it

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Speaker 2: when it was on I watched it or when it

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Speaker 2: was on. But yeah, it's obviously right. Yeah, been a

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Speaker 2: little bit of we've at a time between drinks, so yeah,

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Speaker 2: go thing to go back. I mean, it is, like

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Speaker 2: you say, it is kind of vintage dare we use

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Speaker 2: that word iconic New Zealand TV. Anyway, we're focusing on

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Speaker 2: Windermere in the UK's Lake District this morning. Is this

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Speaker 2: the kind of England's most popular national.

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Speaker 4: Park, No doubt about it, Jack, I reckon it's Blighty's

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Speaker 4: answer to Queenstown Lakes or Towpoor because it's just this vast,

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Speaker 4: watery and outdoors you play grand in the Cumbrian countryside.

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Speaker 4: It's got craggy mountains, it's got scenery glore, it was

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Speaker 4: recently crowned with World Heritage status, and it's overrun with tourists.

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Speaker 4: And the one thing I do really want to hammer

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Speaker 4: is do not go there in the summer peak. Don't

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Speaker 4: go there today or tomorrow because the holiday hordes they

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Speaker 4: swarm like midges. I was there in May and it

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Speaker 4: had been probably thirty years since I was last there.

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Speaker 4: So when I was there in May, it was just

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Speaker 4: pitch perfect, like the weather, the spring weather sparkling and

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Speaker 4: just no crowd.

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Speaker 3: So dodge that peak season.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, yeah, that's very good to know. Where is

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Speaker 2: a good base though if you do dodge it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I would say, because the district sprawls for

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Speaker 4: like hundreds of square kilometers, you really want to find

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Speaker 4: a central location. And Bonus on Windermere would be my

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Speaker 4: pick it's a very perky tourist town. It's got all

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Speaker 4: the tourist trappings, but it's actually really easy to reach,

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Speaker 4: so for example, you can train there from London. And

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Speaker 4: in fact I loved this when I was in Windermere.

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Speaker 4: William Wordsworth he actually penned a pollen because he was

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Speaker 4: so pissed off with the railway arriving into Windermere back

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Speaker 4: in the eighteen forties, and his poem says, is then

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Speaker 4: no nook of English ground secure from rash assault. And

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Speaker 4: his name pops up all over the lake district. His

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Speaker 4: legacy is everywhere. In fact, if you go to Gabra

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Speaker 4: Park in the Lake district, that is where you will

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Speaker 4: find that vast drift of daffodils which inspired a certain poem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, so what is quite what is so distinctive

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Speaker 2: about Lake Windermere.

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Speaker 4: It's the big Daddy. So this is England's largest lake.

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Speaker 4: So a big, glossy, deep blue body of water stretches

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Speaker 4: for miles. Grab a kayak, grab a rowboat, take a

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Speaker 4: cruise and just marinate yourself in the bucolic glory of

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Speaker 4: the of the scenery.

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Speaker 3: It is so gorgeous it could be new Zealand.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's just so fabulously spectacular. The big point

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Speaker 4: of difference, you've got all that old world architecture. So

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Speaker 4: all along the lakefront of Windermere there are these stately

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Speaker 4: stone country manners and they all like huddle around the

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Speaker 4: lake edge like safari animals at the watering hole. So

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Speaker 4: that's when you know it's not New Zealand. But the

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Speaker 4: landscape is really so blissful. Jack I can certainly understand

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Speaker 4: why the Princess of Wales spent so much time there

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Speaker 4: as part of her cancer recovery. It is just a

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Speaker 4: therapeutic place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wonderful. So for Beatrix Potter fans, what should

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Speaker 2: you prioritize? What would you recommend they check out?

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Speaker 4: Ah, you could go potty on the Potter Trail. Her

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Speaker 4: footprints are everywhere, So first of all, I would say

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Speaker 4: check out ray Castle because that's where she holidayed as

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Speaker 4: a child, and that captured her imagination and her lifelong

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Speaker 4: love affair with the lake district. She's got two homes

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Speaker 4: and if you have kids in tow, definitely treat them

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Speaker 4: to the World of Betricks Potter, which is sort of

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Speaker 4: like part theater, part museum, but it's where Peter Rabbit

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Speaker 4: and Jemima Puddle Dark and friends, they all come to life. Remarkably,

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Speaker 4: jack Potter went on to own fourteen farms in the

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Speaker 4: Lake district, and she bequeathed all that farmland and her

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Speaker 4: homes and all the royalties from her box to the trust.

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Speaker 4: So she is quite the gift that keeps on giving.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing. So what about Grassmere?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just north of Lake Windermere. Grassmere is your quintessential

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Speaker 4: chocolate box village. And this is where Wordsworth lived, so

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Speaker 4: you can go and see his home, the creeper Clad

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Speaker 4: Dove Cottage, and his whole family are actually.

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Speaker 3: Buried in the church graveyard.

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Speaker 4: The best of all for sweet treats, the village is

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Speaker 4: home to Grassmere Gingerbread. Now, I don't think your dime

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Speaker 4: it doesn't gingerbread biscuit because Grassmere Gingerbread is a British

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Speaker 4: icon and it's this quite novel spicy sweet cross between

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Speaker 4: a biscuit and a cake. I reckon it's more like

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Speaker 4: a moosley bar. Yeah, so you know, it's sort of crispy,

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Speaker 4: crumbly and chewy all than one. And this was invented

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Speaker 4: by a victorian baker in Grassmere and for over a

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Speaker 4: century it's now been produced and sold from the old

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Speaker 4: village schoolhouse and Grassmere where Wordsworth was actually a teacher.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, make a beeline for the gingerbread shop. It

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Speaker 4: really is quite Moorish.

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Speaker 2: And this is like really good hiking country, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely Yeah, there are tails for all trails for all tastes.

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Speaker 4: If you want to knock off England's highest peak scoref

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Speaker 4: our Pike, that's in the neighborhood, so it tops out

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Speaker 4: about a thousand meters, so you will need a reasonable

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Speaker 4: level of fitness. Make it a half day jaunt. Beautiful scenery.

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Speaker 4: I actually think if you want something a little shorter

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Speaker 4: and sweeter, go for a place called wind Letter. This

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Speaker 4: is forest bathing on a fabulous scale. So wind Letter

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Speaker 4: is this mountain forest just out of Keswick, and it

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Speaker 4: is just so dense, this forest, and it's a tangle

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Speaker 4: of pine trees, spruce and large. It's a very fragrant

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Speaker 2: Wirky fines.

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Speaker 4: Well, if I said to you Jack, shall we go

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Speaker 4: to the Pencil Museum.

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Speaker 2: Again?

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Speaker 3: It probably wouldn't blow your hair back with it. The

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Speaker 3: Pencil Museum.

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Speaker 2: Ill, I'm open minded famously, as you know.

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Speaker 4: I've found this quite fascinating. So this is in Keswick,

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Speaker 4: close to the Winletter Forest and it's a wee gym

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Speaker 4: because it does such a good job just walking you

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Speaker 4: through the history of pencils. And the reason it's in

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Speaker 4: Keswick is because they had these huge graphite deposits. So

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Speaker 4: for hundreds and hundreds of years the local farmers around

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Speaker 4: Keswick would use graphite to mark the sheep right, which

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Speaker 4: sort of gave rise to Keswick's pencil factories. And then

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Speaker 4: it was the friend too later mixed graphite with clay

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Speaker 4: which produced the likes of Ye your trustee HB.

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Speaker 3: Pencil. I now know so much about pencils, Jack.

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Speaker 2: It'd stuff like it is always amazing and it's the

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Speaker 2: stuff you remember when you travel, don't.

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Speaker 3: You think it's true? It is?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very good.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you so much, Mike. We're going to put

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Speaker 2: all of your tips for exploring Windermere in the UK

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Speaker 2: s Lake District and the Pencil Museum up on the

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