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Speaker 1: So teacher unions are having another crack at the government's

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Speaker 1: overhaul of the curriculum. The PPTA has got its annual

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Speaker 1: conference on this week and they've released to survey revealing

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Speaker 1: that most of the secondary school teachers there aren't happy

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Speaker 1: with the NCEEA Level one roll out with us now,

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Speaker 1: as Education Minister Erica Stanford, Erica, good.

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Speaker 2: Morning, good morning, he of the how I see, I'm well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I see you had to go and chance

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Speaker 1: to them yesterday or the other day. Did they give

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Speaker 1: you a warm reception? Was it a bit rough.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday? And actually it was an exceptionally good conception. I

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Speaker 2: had a great time. They were wonderful. I going very

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Speaker 2: very well with Chris Abercrombie and the PPTA, and to

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Speaker 2: be set at them technically, the grumblings that they're having

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Speaker 2: at the moment is not with a curriculum, because there

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Speaker 2: is no curriculum. It's with the NCEEA changes to Level one,

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Speaker 2: and that is aimed at the previous government, and I

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Speaker 2: agree wholeheartedly with them. When I came into office last year,

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Speaker 2: I saw some results that showed that well over half

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Speaker 2: of schools felt not prepared or only somewhat prepared for

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Speaker 2: next year's level one saw this and then I started

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Speaker 2: building calls from Principles and Features saying we don't know

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Speaker 2: what to teach next year because there are no subject

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Speaker 2: learning outcomes, we don't have any exemplars. So we had

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Speaker 2: six weeks to scramble with the subject associations to write

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Speaker 2: subject learning outcomes over Christmas. Associations did an amazing job

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Speaker 2: and push ENZQA to get those exemplars ready that weren't

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Speaker 2: going to be ready till May. This was a disastrous

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Speaker 2: rollout by the previous government of NA. Well, we did

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Speaker 2: those subject learning outcomes and we did the exemplars and

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Speaker 2: the the sector of the pustle next year to make

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Speaker 2: a few changes which we have around the types of

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Speaker 2: assessments we've moved to do that. The bigger problem has

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Speaker 2: only really come to light at the back end of

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Speaker 2: this year with the fact that they don't like the

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Speaker 2: big slots of small smaller, fewer, sorry larger fewer, bigger

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Speaker 2: standards rather than smaller and fewer stands, which we moved

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Speaker 2: away from. So I've been in contact with the lots

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Speaker 2: of Principles and they said there's nothing much you can

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Speaker 2: do for next year. But I've put together a group

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Speaker 2: of experienced principles from around the country who are now

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Speaker 2: at working at pace on MCEA changes and what we

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Speaker 2: can do. I've also asked to Ero to write a

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Speaker 2: full report on what happened with Level one rollout and

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Speaker 2: INCA overall. It's coming to me in November, but I've

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Speaker 2: seen the early indications and it's pretty damning.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, best of luck dealing with this. Eric is Stanford,

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