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Speaker 1: New Zealand and Ozzie have committed to working in lockstep

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Speaker 1: like never before over security issues. Christopher Luxen and Elbow

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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi have wrapped up their bilateral meeting in Canberra

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Speaker 1: and they've agreed to activate the alliance if either nation

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Speaker 1: faces a severe cyber attack with US now on. This

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Speaker 1: is international geopolitical analyst Jeffrey Millerhe.

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey, good evening here.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the cyber attack thing?

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Speaker 2: It is interesting. I mean, look this change to news

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Speaker 2: Edan's independent foreign policy, I mean independent foreign policy is over.

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Speaker 2: Christopher Luxe and courted a nonsense last night at the

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Speaker 2: Lower Institute in Sydney. But these changes are revolutionary and

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Speaker 2: revolutionary at the same time. And each time these two

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Speaker 2: leaders meet with seeing something new, and so this is

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Speaker 2: what was unveiled today and it's just really turning everything

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Speaker 2: up or notch each time, and very much in opposition

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Speaker 2: to China. And that's the elephant in the room and

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Speaker 2: all of this that New Zealand really is on the

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Speaker 2: collision course with China now and it's becoming clearer and clearer.

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Speaker 2: Heads He's been a.

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Speaker 1: Cue used of exa. This is Christopher Luxon of exaggerating

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Speaker 1: how bad things are in that speech last night. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that's fair?

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Speaker 2: No? I think Look, that speech was very very hawkish

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Speaker 2: that he gave last night, and in the Q and

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Speaker 2: A he was equally hawkish. And he, you know, in

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Speaker 2: the Q and A afterwards, he drew a straight line

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Speaker 2: between Ukraine and Asia and he was asked afterwards by

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Speaker 2: journalists about this, and he mentioned Taiwan and then tried

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Speaker 2: to take it back and walk it back. And I

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Speaker 2: think there's a lesson there for Christopher Luxe. And he

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Speaker 2: does speak very quickly. He talks very quickly, and he

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Speaker 2: likes to answer very quickly. But some of these things

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Speaker 2: really really matter, and words matter hugely in diplomacy. You've

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Speaker 2: got to be very very careful with your choice of words.

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Speaker 2: Beijing will be listening very closely to what he says,

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Speaker 2: and you know, you just have to be I think

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Speaker 2: you have to be a little bit more subtle here

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Speaker 2: with some of these things, because there could be real

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Speaker 2: consequences here for New Zealanders. New zealands biggest trading partner

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Speaker 2: is China, thirty eight billion dollars worth of two way trade,

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Speaker 2: and all of that could be at stake here.

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey is so good to talk to you mate. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much. Jeffrey Miller, international geopolitical analyst. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you caught what Jeffrey just said. There was

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Speaker 1: like you just said it, but it's quite a serious thing.

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Speaker 1: Could put New Zealand on a collision course with China,

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Speaker 1: so keep an eye on more commentary on that.

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