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Speaker 1: Jason Wool's our political editors with us. Now, Hey, Jason, afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 1: No decision on the Privileges Committee in the hakker.

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Speaker 2: No, not yet.

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Speaker 3: We were told by Committee Chair Judith Collins just moments ago,

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Speaker 3: or right about half an hour ago, that the committee's

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Speaker 3: decision has been delayed till eight thirty pm tomorrow. In fact,

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Speaker 3: that's when they're going to be meeting, So it's likely

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Speaker 3: going to be a lot after eight thirty tomorrow. A

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Speaker 3: lot of this is because you know, the House ran

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Speaker 3: a little bit long today, so the meeting was pushed back.

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Speaker 3: But just moments before the Privileges Committee was supposed to

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Speaker 3: meet Ti Party Marty, who the Privileges Committee is meeting

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Speaker 3: about about the hakka in the House. During the first

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Speaker 3: reading of the Treatise Principal's Bill, Tiparty Marty actually leaked

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Speaker 3: a recommendation from the Privileges Committee about what some of

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Speaker 3: the things that they're considering in terms of the punishment.

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Speaker 1: So is that what their poll is that they're running

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Speaker 1: on the Facebook page.

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Speaker 3: So they're doing it a bit tongue in cheek to say,

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Speaker 3: I wonder what it's going to be. So basically the

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Speaker 3: options are So the MP's before the committee are Hannah

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Speaker 3: Rapti Mighty Clock, and it says that her punishment that

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Speaker 3: the committee is looking into severely censuring her by the

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Speaker 3: House or suspending her from the House for seven days.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to Debbie Nadi Wapaka, the options are

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Speaker 3: the same, but the suspension for seven, fourteen or twenty

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Speaker 3: one days, and it's the same for Arawi way Tity,

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Speaker 3: So you're not allowed to do You're not allowed to

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Speaker 3: do this. The Privileges Committee is like Vegas. What happens

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Speaker 3: in Privileges Committee stays in Privileges Committee.

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Speaker 2: So they're not happy that this has been leaked.

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Speaker 3: My colleague Azaria Howe spoke to Judith Collins before she

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Speaker 3: went in and specifically asked her about what Ti Party

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Speaker 3: Mardi had posted.

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Speaker 1: This is not something we've seen before. I have just

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Speaker 1: seen a copy of that through to the Privileges Committee.

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Speaker 3: Somebody else that was there that was not happy is

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Speaker 3: one Winston Raymond Peters.

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Speaker 1: Oh just shows the contemporal parliamentary process, that's what that shows.

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Speaker 3: So I think that if they were kind of on

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Speaker 3: the fence as to the suspension between seven and fourteen

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Speaker 3: or twenty one days before. I think this has really

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Speaker 3: helped push them over the edge a little bit. So

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Speaker 3: hopefully we'll get something to tomorrow and you'll remember how

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Speaker 3: the tomorrow was supposed to be the day that Tea

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Speaker 3: Party Marty had its own sort of Privileges Committee adjacent hearing,

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Speaker 3: which is it has no legal binding and it doesn't

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Speaker 3: supersede what the Privileges Committee is supposed to do. I've

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Speaker 3: heard nothing about it. I've been trying to get in

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Speaker 3: contact with Tea Party Marty all day to get some

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Speaker 3: information on that one, but so far not a sausage.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Explain to me, though, why is why would Debby and

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Speaker 1: the Raweri be suspended for face it? Why are they

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Speaker 1: facing a harsher punishment than Hannah.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think it would be the preceding and this

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Speaker 3: is I'm just speculating. And again I mean me even

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Speaker 3: commenting on this leak is it could be seen as

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Speaker 3: a breach of privilege here.

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Speaker 2: So this is just my punishment.

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Speaker 3: Well clearly not, but essentially because of all the subsequent

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Speaker 3: breaches to their Privileges committee.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this isn't the first time that they've done

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Speaker 2: something that they're not supposed to.

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Speaker 1: So is it that that Hannah's getting in trouble for

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Speaker 1: the Hukker, But they're getting in trouble for the Hakker

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Speaker 1: and just their history.

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Speaker 3: That's what That's what I would think. And technically they're

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Speaker 3: not in trouble for the Hakker. They're in trouble for

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Speaker 3: standing on the House floor and approaching David Seymour. But

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Speaker 3: there's a lot that we have to infer because Privileges

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Speaker 3: Committee are so secret secret, in hush.

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Speaker 1: Hush, jeez. People are getting themselves tied up and knots

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Speaker 1: of this pay equity thing, aren't they.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's something that you would imagine that the

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Speaker 3: government would come under enormous scrutiny for. The unions were

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Speaker 3: out in force today as with the opposition. Have a

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Speaker 3: listened to what Chris Hopkins had to say in the

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Speaker 3: House today.

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Speaker 4: Why should women across New Zealand be the sacrificial lambs

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Speaker 4: in this year's budget being told they have to acceed

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Speaker 4: lower pay for the same value work compared to their

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Speaker 4: male counterparts.

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Speaker 3: And Carmel Sapaloni's deputy was also quite fired up in

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Speaker 3: the House.

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Speaker 1: I think anyone should be mistaken. This is a war

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Speaker 1: on woman, Madam Speaker.

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Speaker 3: So essentially this is Brook van Velden announcing a major

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Speaker 3: overhaul of the pay equity regime once the legislation has passed,

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Speaker 3: and it's happening in the House right now under urgency.

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Speaker 3: It will make it tougher for people to take pay

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Speaker 3: equity claims that twenty twenty regime allowed in sectors with

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Speaker 3: large female workforces to argue that they were under paid

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Speaker 3: relative to similar work done in sectors dominated by men.

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Speaker 3: Now here's Luxon explaining why the government's doing this.

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Speaker 4: Well, what we're doing here is we're making sure that

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Speaker 4: we actually have a process that's more robust, workable and sustainable.

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Speaker 4: We're making the act and the practice has moved away

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Speaker 4: from what it was intended to deal with sex based

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Speaker 4: discrimination and to a much broader set of issues around

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Speaker 4: labor market conditions and other things.

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Speaker 2: So essentially it's not fit for purpose.

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Speaker 3: And listen, you could tell that the government was really

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Speaker 3: worried about this one today because Luxon actually fronted up

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Speaker 3: to what we call the bridge run on Tuesday, which

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Speaker 3: is we grab the ministers before they go into the House.

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Speaker 3: He isn't usually come to that one, but he came

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Speaker 3: today just to answer some questions. It was very helpful

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Speaker 3: of him. And meanwhile, Nicola Willis, Judith Collins, Louise Upston,

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Speaker 3: and Nicola Grigg along with Ericus Stamfit all turned up

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Speaker 3: together in as sort of a joint press conference to

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Speaker 3: say why it was that they were supporting this bill.

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Speaker 2: So they're very much feeling the pressure on this.

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Speaker 1: Without all the ladies. Hey, thank you for that, appreciated Jason.

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Speaker 1: That's Jason Walls, our political editor. For more from Heather

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