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Speaker 2: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Associate Energy

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Speaker 2: Minister Shane Jones on the fuel price shooting up, Greg

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Speaker 2: Smith of Generate on the stock markets tumbling down, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to tell you about mining asteroids.

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Speaker 3: Heather Dupericy Allen, Look, I.

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Speaker 2: Know that we're all going to have different points at

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Speaker 2: which we think media reaction to a news story gets silly.

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Speaker 2: But for me, it was this morning members of the

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Speaker 2: media chasing the Prime Minister through Wellington Airport asking him

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Speaker 2: whether he was considering resigning and if he has the

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Speaker 2: full support of his caucus. To me, seems a little

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Speaker 2: bit silly, silly because it's not as if he's gone

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Speaker 2: to ground for the last four days, is it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he was on morning media this morning, he did two

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Speaker 2: radio intervis and at least one TV appearance appearance and

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Speaker 2: is also going to front for a post cabinet press

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Speaker 2: conference which should be kicking off now. So they're not

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Speaker 2: star of opportunities to talk to the Prime Minister without

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Speaker 2: chasing him through a crowded hall. It also creates the

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Speaker 2: impression of drama where really no drama exists. There is

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Speaker 2: no coupe. All of his ministers are backing him publicly. Privately, yeah,

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Speaker 2: maybe a little less so, but publicly they are. Luxon

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Speaker 2: is the leader until he has talked out of being

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Speaker 2: the leader, and there's no indication that that's happening either.

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Speaker 2: In short, nothing is happening in the short term.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: If I have to try to understand why the media

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Speaker 2: wanted to chase him through the airport, maybe it's because

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Speaker 2: they sense that things have shifted, and that is true.

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Speaker 2: Since the poll on Friday morning that put the National

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Speaker 2: Party at twenty eight percent, two things have changed. The

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Speaker 2: first is that ministers who previously gave complete backing too

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Speaker 2: Luxon are now privately doing it with a caveat. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I support him, there's a butt, but he is quite

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Speaker 2: bad at taking advice. But he made a bad call

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Speaker 2: with X, y Z whatever. They've dropped their full confidence

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Speaker 2: in him. That tells me something is going on in

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Speaker 2: their heads. The second thing is that he has now

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Speaker 2: entered I think publicly dead man walking territory, every bad

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Speaker 2: poll from here on in, every big mistake that he

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Speaker 2: makes from here on in, and he will we'll revive

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Speaker 2: talk about his leadership. And that is a slow bleed

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Speaker 2: out for a leader. It ends in one of two ways,

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Speaker 2: a spanking on election day or the leader finally calling

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Speaker 2: it quits and going now. I think he's in that space.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the coalition government loses the election at

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Speaker 2: this rate, but I think the National Party comes back

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Speaker 2: as a mini version of itself and that's not a

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Speaker 2: good thing for them.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that electoral prognosis is what's got the media so

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Speaker 2: excited that they're chasing him through the airport. That though,

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Speaker 2: I think is a medium term thing today, I think

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Speaker 2: the brief excitement of the weekend and just before the

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Speaker 3: Heather duplusy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Nine two ninety two is the text number now. Athletics

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Speaker 2: New Zealand says we've got a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: dilemma on our hands that we're going to have to

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Speaker 2: Commonwealth Games. We need somewhere to put the track and

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Speaker 2: field and apparently none of our existing venues are up

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Speaker 2: to snuff. Now Cam Mitchell is in India. He's the

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Speaker 2: Athletics New Zealand Chief executive. High Camp on what's wrong

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Speaker 6: Oh, look, the facilities I guess are more based around

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about what is actually happening on the

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Speaker 6: Look, it's a bit of both, I mean predominantly, I

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Speaker 6: But I guess it more sits around the fact that

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Speaker 2: So this is this doesn't sound like a complete build.

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Speaker 7: Yep, that could be one option.

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Speaker 6: But you know, ideally from our perspective, you know, having

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Speaker 6: something we would love to have. So you know, Mount

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Speaker 6: Smart was obviously the home of athletics, but was converted

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Speaker 7: Broadcasts and those sorts of things.

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Speaker 6: So certainly the broadcast infrastructure and lighting infrastructure required for broadcast.

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Speaker 6: So every venue has got its own quirk and little challenges,

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Speaker 6: that's something that we're keen to sort of work. You know,

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Speaker 6: there is this National Sports Facility Strategy being developed by

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Speaker 6: making sure that we're around the table and that athletics

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Speaker 6: it's probably viewed in a different light to what it

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Speaker 6: has been in recent times. You know, we're a sport

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Speaker 6: that's on the move, we're starting to attract larger audiences.

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Speaker 7: We've now got a TV product in place.

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Speaker 6: So I think they're really good conversations for us to

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Speaker 7: You know, facilities do.

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Speaker 6: Create great experiences for fans and also I guess the

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Speaker 2: I mean, how do you write your chances that you're

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Speaker 2: like you're probably you're probably out of luck on that.

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Speaker 6: What do you think, Oh, look, I think we'll see

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Speaker 6: you know, and just reflect on that.

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Speaker 7: But you know, what do you expect from available to

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Speaker 6: Then clearly we'd be looking at how we can work

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Speaker 2: What are you expecting out of that strategy?

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Speaker 7: Look, I guess the home of Athletics would be great

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Speaker 7: for us.

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Speaker 6: There's there's no short track in New Zealand, so short

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Speaker 7: Australasia doesn't have a short track.

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Speaker 6: So that also creates new event opportunities for this part

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Speaker 6: So I guess you know, in terms of that facility

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Speaker 6: but we've certainly had really positive dialogue through the process. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: and we'll wait and see. I mean, the rarey for

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Speaker 6: and then there's going to have to find a solution

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Speaker 6: whether that be temporary or permanent for athletics, because I

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Speaker 6: think most if not all of the other sports actually

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Speaker 7: Athletics is probably the only one where that isn't the case.

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Speaker 3: Hey, did you watch the cricket I did.

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Speaker 7: Yes, Yes, I'm obviously in India.

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Speaker 6: Flew out on Saturday nights straight after the athletics, so

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Speaker 6: was very gracious and defeat as I'm over here trying

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Speaker 6: to strengthen our ties within their athletics and we're sort

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Speaker 6: of just trying to firm up our partnership with them.

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Speaker 2: All good, ok, Hey, thank you very much for talking

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Speaker 2: to us out of India. Cande's cam Mitchell Athletics New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Chief executive Primus is holding the post cabinet press

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Speaker 2: conference at the moment. He's just announced a Ministerial Oversight

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Speaker 2: Group on Economic Security with a focus on oil and gas,

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Speaker 2: which is going to be chaired by Nikola Willis now.

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Speaker 2: Part of the reason for this is, of course, what's

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Speaker 2: we need to brace for three dollars. We're gonna have

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Speaker 2: a little chat about this later on, but that is

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Speaker 2: So could they have done anything differently this morning?

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Speaker 8: Well, I guess the only thing they could physically have

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Speaker 8: done is batted first upon winning the toss. But that's

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Speaker 8: very much hindsight. Being twenty twenty and all of the

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Speaker 8: information going into the game was the best strategy would

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Speaker 8: be if you won the toss to send your opposition

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Speaker 8: in because bowling's a bit more difficult later on in

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Speaker 8: these games as the lights go down. But look, I

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Speaker 8: got up at what to watch this game at two

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Speaker 8: thirty this morning, and by about three o'clock India had

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Speaker 8: just think it's one of those where India just absolutely

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Speaker 8: They've had good wines and semi finals before the black Caps.

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Speaker 2: Hey Piney, thank you very much. Really appreciate it. Jason

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions, it's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 11: Too, Prime Minister is well us, did you spend any

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 11: The other headline was pressure is mounting? Is the pressure mounting?

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Speaker 12: No, there's pressure in this job every day, but my

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Speaker 11: Do the media then literally make this stuff up.

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Speaker 3: You have to ask them.

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Speaker 12: As a politician criticizing the media, that's just a fruitless exercise.

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Speaker 12: To nowhere.

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Speaker 11: You will be the leader of the National Party and

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Speaker 11: therefore the Prime Minister up until election day of November seven.

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Speaker 3: Hand on part and.

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Speaker 11: On heart absolutely back tomorrow at six am the Mike

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Speaker 11: Hosking Breakfast with a Vida News Talk zb.

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Speaker 1: Hard questions strong opinion, Heather dupic Ellen Drive with One

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Speaker 2: Bad news if you have got investments in the markets.

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Speaker 2: Markets are finally tumbled in response to the Iran war.

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Speaker 2: So the INZIDEX fifty is down three percent in mid

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Speaker 2: Greg Smith of Generate after five o'clock. One of the

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Speaker 2: I actually think there's a case for her to do it.

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Speaker 2: I will talk about that later on and we will

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Speaker 2: talk to her about that after six o'clock. Of course,

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Speaker 9: Here, he is okay with that.

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Speaker 12: We're happy to take any questions. Sorry, just so we

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Speaker 2: Other the mistakes of Monday. Apparently with the journal is

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Speaker 2: asking too many questions all at once. Decide for yourself

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Speaker 2: if that was a mistake of Monday. Anyway, Barry sopa

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Speaker 2: Therefore the media chases Luxan through the airport. Would look,

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Speaker 15: Can care.

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Speaker 3: Digging deeper into the Das headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage.

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Speaker 3: Like no one else news talks. They'd be.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: Barry Sooper has been watching the post cabinet press conference.

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Speaker 2: He'll be with us in ten minutes time. Iran has

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Speaker 2: you about hither. The media have never given lucks in

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Speaker 2: but the media love him. If that's not biased, What

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: What Taba Kabanet, the son of Ali Kamene, has been

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Speaker 15: He has the same mindset and low the sign can

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Speaker 2: Israel's you and ambassador says this changes nothing.

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Speaker 16: It's pretty that in the matter, if you did the

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Speaker 16: and the policy of this vigim is the same policy

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Speaker 16: to promote the terror, to sow chaos, to acquire nuclear capabilities.

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Speaker 2: Over in Australia, it's Black Monday on the stock market.

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Speaker 2: Oil prices have led to the worst day on the

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Speaker 17: Boyd Liberation Day, the market dropped eleven percent over a

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Speaker 2: And finally.

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Speaker 15: To a Jurassic Fuck.

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Speaker 2: Well it's not really dinosaurs, but same said. Two species

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Speaker 2: of possum thought extinct for six thousand years have turned

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Speaker 1: Nemoa International Correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of

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Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Oliver Peterson ABC Perth Radio Drive presenters with us, Hey, OLLI.

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Speaker 9: Head, I got a bone to pick with you and

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Speaker 9: Raylean Ramsey.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, go on.

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Speaker 18: Then, well, Zach Lomax Rugby League reject designed for the

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Speaker 18: Western Force, and if I was the Hurricanes, I'd.

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Speaker 9: Be absolutely well shaking in the boots.

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Speaker 18: Let's just put it like that, because this Friday night

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Speaker 18: he's going to dominate the Hurricanes when he makes his

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Speaker 2: Come on, Lomax, So why was he rejected by the NRL.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, he's gone of the Force and they were

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Speaker 2: Ye will do you reckon?

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Speaker 18: But come on, I'm just trying to give the Western

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Speaker 3: You know what.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind it though, do you. But the problem is, Ollie,

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Speaker 9: Here and have go with the Wars on Friday.

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Speaker 3: Mate.

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Speaker 18: I'm getting I'm getting on the Wars. I've decided I'm

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Speaker 18: know he's only sort of holding that position till Luke

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Speaker 18: Metcalf gets back.

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Speaker 9: But gee, they are good.

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Speaker 2: Go the Wars, I know, well, I mean look, it's

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Speaker 2: better for you. The wars are better than the wast

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Speaker 2: and force. I like what you did that, So you're

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Speaker 2: welcome to come and join us. Now, listen, what is

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Speaker 2: going on in the ax that you people freaking out?

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Speaker 9: Oh big time?

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Speaker 18: I mean the market as you and I talk now

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Speaker 18: has just lost one hundred and twenty billion that's right,

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Speaker 18: one hundred and twenty billion with a bee in value

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Speaker 18: and it's still going to trade for another two hours

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Speaker 18: and twenty one minutes today. Now Brent crude has skyrocket

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Speaker 18: as much as twenty five percent today, so it's US

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Speaker 18: one hundred and fifteen dollars a barrel. It's our worst

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Speaker 18: day since Liberation Day in April of last year, all lords,

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Speaker 18: as I said, off one hundred and twenty billion dollars

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Speaker 18: in value, and we're all just sort of gnuttering our

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Speaker 18: fingernails at the moment. The A six two hundred down

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Speaker 18: and four point two percent as we speak now, and

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Speaker 18: the oil price if you look at it over the

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Speaker 18: last month, the chart, I mean, we go back to

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Speaker 18: the start of this month at seventy dollars a barrel

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Speaker 18: as we talk right now, at surge past one hundred

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Speaker 18: and fifteen dollars a barrel.

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Speaker 2: That is quite extraordinary, that little line upwards in the

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Speaker 2: last few days as wild a. Yeah, okay, now, so

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Speaker 2: what is it that the Coalition is worried about if

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Speaker 2: they want to have a new level of vetting for

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Speaker 2: migrants from some countries.

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Speaker 18: So what they're looking to do is they're going to

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Speaker 18: consider forcing people who appeal their visa cancelations to do

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Speaker 18: so in their country of origin rather than granted bridging visas.

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Speaker 9: Now, this is something.

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Speaker 18: Which has been quite interesting at the moment because clogging

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Speaker 18: up not only the courts, but it's cloging up obviously

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Speaker 18: all of our Pacific islands as well with Australians or

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Speaker 18: want to be Australians who are trying to appeal that

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Speaker 18: process and that can now take years and years and years.

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Speaker 18: So what the Coalition is trying to do, and it's

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Speaker 18: quite complicated, but effectively change the legislation going back to

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Speaker 18: the sixties I think it's the fifties in fact, which

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Speaker 18: would mean that somebody would potentially return to their country

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Speaker 18: of origin while waiting for their application to be processed

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Speaker 18: or maybe overturned. Whether or not the Opposition is able

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Speaker 18: to do that. Well, that would be obviously a stroke

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Speaker 18: of the pen from the Parliament. But this is at

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Speaker 18: the moment also being looked at by various different agencies

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Speaker 18: around the world, the likes of the United Nations, etc.

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Speaker 18: Saying you know, the Australians obviously have a responsibility to

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Speaker 18: people who might be coming to their country and not

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Speaker 18: forcing them back into countries where they have fled for

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Speaker 18: whatever reason it may be. So this is something that

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Speaker 18: obviously Angus Taylor is trying to wean back that one

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Speaker 18: nation vote again, Heather, He's got that bi election in

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Speaker 18: Farah at the moment that he's keeping a close eye

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Speaker 18: on Susan Lee's former seat, the polls pointing towards a

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Speaker 18: one nation vote. So these are the sorts of policy

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Speaker 18: areas that the Coalition is trying to dance in at

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Speaker 18: the moment to we a very disaffected, disenfranchised Australian voter.

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Speaker 2: Now what's Jbhifi done.

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Speaker 18: Well, what they've done is on sold these ideas of

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Speaker 18: additional warranties to people that they actually don't need. Under

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Speaker 18: Australian consumer law, you know, if something breaks you by

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Speaker 18: four thousand dollars television, it breaks within two years, it

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Speaker 18: should be repaired or replaced. They've been selling basically junk

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Speaker 18: warranties to say you can have this, you know, for five, six,

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Speaker 18: seven years. One of the big law firms here, Morris

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Speaker 18: Blackburn's taking them on saying effectively they're not worth the

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Speaker 18: paper they're printed on or the text message that you receive.

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Speaker 9: And there's a bit to that.

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Speaker 18: Like the Consumer Agency and watchdogs around the States and

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Speaker 18: the territories here in Australia tend to agree. So I

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Speaker 18: reckon this one might have a little bit of success

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Speaker 18: getting those every junt warranties that you don't need or

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Speaker 18: because you think you need it right now, but doesn't

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Speaker 18: everybody you don't sell.

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Speaker 2: You this crap and you just no lead in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: You just got to say no.

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Speaker 9: Now, yeah, well that's right, you got to say no.

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Speaker 18: But you know, you think I've bought a four thousand

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Speaker 18: dollars TENV if I've pay another couple of hundred bucks

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Speaker 18: to make sure it doesn't break in ten years, I'll

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Speaker 18: do it.

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Speaker 9: But you don't need it to right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose you've got to note you've got to

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Speaker 2: listen to Consumer New Zealand. Ollie, thank you appreciated. Oliver

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Speaker 2: Peterson ABC Perth Radio Drive presenter eighteen away from five

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Speaker 2: hear the duple So on the petrol tax. I think

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Speaker 2: probably what the government is up to is they're not

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Speaker 2: going to drop the petrol tax. But if you recall correctly,

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Speaker 2: they are going to raise the petrol tax by about

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Speaker 2: twelve cents from next year. It sounds like they might

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Speaker 2: not do that. Avolystent to Nikolaullis, Finance Minister.

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Speaker 13: Well, we haven't legislated for that change yet and I

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Speaker 13: think it's appropriate that before we do so, we take

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Speaker 13: into account the latest market conditions and what's happening for

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Speaker 13: the petrol price at the pump, and that's what we

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Speaker 13: will do. So Cabinet will give consideration to that issue

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Speaker 13: when we have better information now.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough in a wise move, But the problem is

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Speaker 2: it doesn't do anything that's next year, don't do anything

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Speaker 2: for what's going on right now. In twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 2: barisop will talk us through it when he's with us

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Speaker 2: seventeen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centrics Credit check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Greg Smith degenerate will be with us after five o'clock

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Speaker 2: and just talk us through the tumble on the n

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Speaker 2: ZX right now, fourteen away from five and Barrisober, senior

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Speaker 2: political correspondent, is with us. High Barry, good afternoon, howther right,

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Speaker 2: So I'm imagining that Chris Luxon got lots of questions

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Speaker 2: on the leadership business.

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Speaker 19: Well, no, I've just come from the news conference now

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Speaker 19: and it is over half an hour and they just started,

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Speaker 19: and of course he's repeated what he has said, well

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Speaker 19: what he said on the station on Friday afternoon, that

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Speaker 19: he's not looking over his shoulder, he's not developing the

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Speaker 19: Battle of Britain, twitch he's getting on with business. And

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Speaker 19: when they asked him about that in the press conference today,

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Speaker 19: he said that's exactly what he's going to do and

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Speaker 19: certainly seemed to have the backing of Nichola Willis, who's standing.

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Speaker 19: I guess her career really depends on Chris Luxon and

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Speaker 19: she was standing beside him. But it was a bit

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Speaker 19: of a scrum for the politicians coming down to Wellington

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Speaker 19: for Parliament today, the media waiting out at the airport

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Speaker 19: for them, and I mean a stuff headline said watch

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Speaker 19: Luxe and avoids question on arrival and Wellington. Well, he's

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Speaker 19: already said what he was going to say. You know,

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Speaker 19: are you worried about your leadership being maybe compromised by

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Speaker 19: your performance last week? Well, of course he's already said

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Speaker 19: that he doesn't feel it is, and would seem by

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Speaker 19: all the politicians that were interviewed on the way in.

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Speaker 19: But it's the old story, isn't it that you, as

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Speaker 19: leader of the last person to know if there's a

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Speaker 19: plot against you. But no, no, there's not. No, No,

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Speaker 19: absolutely there's not. But what I'm saying is that, you know,

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Speaker 19: a leader can always sound confident right up until the

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Speaker 19: caucus vote. There's a caucus tomorrow. But I don't think

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Speaker 19: anything like that will happen. I think the National Party

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Speaker 19: will look realistically at these figures, say it's a bloody

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Speaker 19: tough time and with the Middle East crisis now being underway,

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Speaker 19: it's going to make it even tougher for them. I

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Speaker 19: think they acknowledge that, although they say we're in pretty

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Speaker 19: good shape on many aspects of the economy at the moment,

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Speaker 19: so if it's a short term war, we'll be much

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Speaker 19: better off. But of course, the public already finding the

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Speaker 19: price at the petrol pump. At some bowsers have gone

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Speaker 19: up already.

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Speaker 14: And yet we have.

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Speaker 19: Almost a month storage in place. So wine Earth petrol

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Speaker 19: companies can put up their prices to over three dollars

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Speaker 19: now is beyond me because they've been assured that they'll

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Speaker 19: have a supply. We also have a deal with Singapore

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Speaker 19: that was negotiated quite recently where Singapore will supply us

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Speaker 19: with emergency fuel in situations like this and we'll supply

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Speaker 19: them with food. So we've got to back up in Singapore.

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Speaker 2: So when you say three dollars, you are talking about premium,

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Speaker 2: not assumed ninety one. Do you think that the media

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Speaker 2: chasing the Prime Minister through the airport today was just over.

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Speaker 4: The top, Well, yes, I do, because you know he

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Speaker 4: had already said he'd been on done all the media

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Speaker 4: rounds this morning, was on this program, he was on

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Speaker 4: the Radio New Zealand program in the morning, so he's

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Speaker 4: done all the rounds.

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Speaker 14: He's been nice.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, what's the point. But you know they door stopped

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Speaker 19: Judith Collins on the way through the airport as well.

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Speaker 19: She stopped and said he's got nothing to worry about.

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Speaker 19: The Caucuses on board with him, So you know it's

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Speaker 19: a bit of it's not a storm in a teacup

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Speaker 19: because a twenty eight point four rating the opinion polls

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Speaker 19: is certainly not a good place for the National Party

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Speaker 19: to be. But I'm always of the view, with the exception.

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Speaker 2: Of the war, that it will be in the media

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Speaker 2: are behaving on Monday as they should have behaved on Friday, Right,

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Speaker 2: this is Friday story. We've already tied a bow on

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Speaker 2: the thing and it's over, and then two three days

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Speaker 2: later we're getting him chased through the airport. That should

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Speaker 2: have happened on Friday. Anyway, does it sound to you

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Speaker 2: like the government is not going to cut petrol tax,

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Speaker 2: but is going to stop the pedal petrol tax increase

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Speaker 2: of twelve cents for next year.

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Speaker 19: Well, they haven't legislated for it yet, so it's got

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Speaker 19: it's got to be passed in legislation before they can

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Speaker 19: increase it by twelve percent. Don't forget there was a

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Speaker 19: freeze on it for some time. Jasin Dardurn, I think

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Speaker 19: it was in twenty twenty two or something. She in

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Speaker 19: fact reduced the petrol tax by twenty five cents a liter.

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Speaker 2: As temporary though.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, oh absolutely, it's temporary, And that's what Luxem was

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Speaker 19: asked about today. But Nikola willis standing by his side.

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Speaker 19: She says there will be no petrol tax reductions in

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Speaker 19: the short term.

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Speaker 13: I think this is a time for politicians to tell

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Speaker 13: the truth, which is there is no easy answer on that,

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Speaker 13: because if we are to suddenly reduce petrol tax, actually

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Speaker 13: every taxpayer pays for that, and they pay for that

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Speaker 13: in a couple of ways. They pay for that both

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Speaker 13: in terms of reduced activity on our roads, but potentially

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Speaker 13: they also pay for that and increase borrowing, increased interest costs,

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Speaker 13: and increased debt. So what New Zealanders can expect from

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Speaker 13: us is that we will weigh that sensibly in order

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Speaker 13: to deliver the best medium term security for New Zealanders.

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Speaker 19: So it's in abeyance actually at the moment, you could say,

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Speaker 19: and it depends on the length of this Middle Eastern

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Speaker 19: debarcle just when it finishes. And if it's over in

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Speaker 19: a couple of weeks, then I think we'll be looking

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Speaker 19: much better.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that they will rethink that? I mean,

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Speaker 2: is this an absolute flat no to the petrol tax cut? No,

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Speaker 2: it's not, okay.

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Speaker 19: I mean, you know, this is election yere and the

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Speaker 19: public is suffering enough now and they've got a big

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Speaker 19: petrol bill to pay as well. I think the government

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Speaker 19: won't wear that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, barr thanks very much, appreciate it. Barry So for

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Speaker 2: Senior political correspondent. Eight away from five on Christopher Luxean,

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Speaker 2: do you know what I actually think, having listened back

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Speaker 2: to his interviews this morning, having caught it basically everything

661
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Speaker 2: that he's done, all the MPs and stuff, that I

662
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Speaker 2: think everybody is doing a pretty admirable job of just

663
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Speaker 2: falling into line saying the right things. There's is always

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Speaker 2: the odd one. There's always the odd one, isn't there

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Speaker 2: who just angles it? On Friday it was Nikoler, Today

666
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Speaker 2: it was Catherine wed Oh.

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Speaker 18: I think that Christopher Luxon is a perfect crime minister

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Speaker 18: at the moment.

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Speaker 9: He's doing a.

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Speaker 20: Fantastic at timent. He is doing a really really good job.

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Speaker 2: And is there a moment No, he is at the

672
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Speaker 2: moment in our government, he is the best prime minister

673
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Speaker 2: that we have at the moment in our government, he

674
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Speaker 2: is the best prime inns. That is too many qualifications, mate,

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Speaker 2: It's not full throated anyway, We'll just leave it. Do

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Speaker 2: you know what the emergency huddle that we were supposed

677
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Speaker 2: to have on Friday, we're reconvening, but in their normal slot,

678
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Speaker 2: so it's no longer an emergency huddle. It's just a

679
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Speaker 2: stock standard DDLE. We will have Trisherson and JOSEPHC. Garney

680
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Speaker 2: and they have been waiting since Friday five o'clock when

681
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Speaker 2: they were bumped by the Prime Minister for their opportunity

682
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Speaker 2: to say something, so they will be with us at

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Speaker 2: twenty to six. Also going to talk, by the way,

684
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Speaker 2: in the next half hour about what's going on with

685
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Speaker 2: people learning today. L Marty, it's just going through the roof.

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Speaker 2: Last year, twenty three hundred and eighty two students were

687
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Speaker 2: taught the curriculum through trell Mary more than half the time.

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Speaker 2: That is up seventy one percent in the last twenty

689
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Speaker 2: five years. In two thousand was only sixteen thousand odds students. Also,

690
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Speaker 2: close to five hundred students are learning today at levels

691
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Speaker 2: three to six of Marty Immersion, which is to be honest,

692
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Speaker 2: I mean we're not talking about anything particularly like intense here.

693
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Speaker 2: It's basically songs and greetings at the start all the

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Speaker 2: way through to about twelve and a half hours of

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Speaker 2: language learning a week. That is the highest recorded figure

696
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Speaker 2: the problem that we've got, which has always been the

697
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Speaker 2: problem that's been predicted, is that while the demand goes

698
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Speaker 2: up at the supply of the teachers doesn't match. So

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Speaker 2: quite what we do there when I'm not sure, we're

700
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Speaker 2: going to talk to? Stacey Morrison, who's a Mardi language expert,

701
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Speaker 2: beat us in twenty minutes time on that. Also, the

702
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Speaker 2: Mayor of Wellington, Andrew Little. Now I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you recall me talking about this last week, but Wellington

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Speaker 2: City Council is starting to agitate low level and I

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Speaker 2: bet they're going to ramp this up. But they want

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Speaker 2: to see the government start to pay rates in Wellington

707
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Speaker 2: because government buildings around the country are exempt from paying rates.

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Speaker 2: So it's parliament, it's the obvious things like parliament, but

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Speaker 2: it's also school buildings and hospitals and government departments in

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Speaker 2: their commercial buildings. It sounds like it's it's quite a

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Speaker 2: chunk of cash, like it might be about two hundred

712
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Speaker 2: million dollars in councils around the country, so it'll affect

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Speaker 2: every council that has a school in it anywhere. Talk

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Speaker 2: to Andrew Little, Labor. Labor is saying they may consider

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Speaker 2: changing the law if they make it into government to

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Speaker 2: no vender, which obviously is not going to happen, but

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Speaker 2: it'll put pressure on this government. Andrew Little is with us.

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Speaker 2: After half past five, New Stalks.

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Speaker 3: B dressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duper ZL and drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: to coverage like no one else.

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Speaker 3: Newstalks B.

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Speaker 5: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Prices, we finally started responding today in a significant way

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Speaker 2: to the US war on Iran. We're going to start

726
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Speaker 2: with oil prices. They have broken through the one hundred

727
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Speaker 2: US dollars marked today for the first time since twenty

728
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Speaker 2: twenty two. Now the national average at the petrol pump

729
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Speaker 2: is about two dollars sixty odd. We are being worn

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Speaker 2: to brace ourselves for three dollars a liter. Associate Energy

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Speaker 2: Minister and Resources Minister Shane Jones is with us now.

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Speaker 21: High Shane, Hi, Good afternoon, folks.

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Speaker 2: The AA is warning that it may get as high

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Speaker 2: as four dollars a liter. Is that likely?

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Speaker 21: Well, what we did as of today stood up a

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Speaker 21: responsible group of ministers with the best quality of advice

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Speaker 21: surrounding us. I don't want to jump to conclusions we

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Speaker 21: did suffer price increases and the putin Ukraine hostilities broke out,

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Speaker 21: and we're just going to be very well prepared to

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Speaker 21: deal with any eventuality.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this group of ministers, this Ministerial Oversight Group on

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Speaker 2: economic security with a focus and on oil and gas.

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Speaker 2: What are you supposed to do? What are you looking at?

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Speaker 21: Well, we need high qual regular information not only from

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Speaker 21: the big field users but the fuel importers and obviously

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Speaker 21: our own bureaucracy. And also we need good quality taining

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Speaker 21: to access to fertilizer for our agricultural sector and that's

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Speaker 21: also hampered by the closure of the strait. And on

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Speaker 21: top of that, we need high quality information and respect

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Speaker 21: of logistics, shipping, supply lines and shipping arrangements. This needs

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Speaker 21: to be stood up asap.

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Speaker 2: And what is the power that you guys will have

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Speaker 2: to affect any change.

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Speaker 21: Well, there are a range of statutes, and I am

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Speaker 21: Paris have thought we should ever use them. But in

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Speaker 21: the future, if the situation really does deteriorate, then the

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Speaker 21: Minister of Resources of my good self we actually do

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Speaker 21: have to respond in the event that the International Energy

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Speaker 21: Association requires us to move toward a rationing model. But

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Speaker 21: we don't believe we're there in any man or of form.

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Speaker 2: We've got what twenty eight days of oil in this country,

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Speaker 2: twenty nine days worth on ships? What happens after that?

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Speaker 21: Well, you raise a damn good question. After the refinery

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Speaker 21: was closed down and we lost over three hundred and

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Speaker 21: fifty million elitter capacity to store additional fuel, we are

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Speaker 21: dependent on the just in time model. That is what

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Speaker 21: the oil companies and the labor government did to New

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Speaker 21: Zealand four or five years ago.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but what happens after the twenty nine days worth

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Speaker 2: of oil on the ship's gets here? Have we got

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Speaker 2: more on order?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 21: We have a system which is administered through the International

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Speaker 21: Energy Association, where we have the ability to call on

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Speaker 21: fuel that is stored in Japan, America and various other places,

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Speaker 21: including an arrangement with Singapore that we can call for

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Speaker 21: some of their fuel to be released and sent to

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Speaker 21: New Zealand, but we have yet to exploit that option.

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Speaker 2: Do you support the decision not to cut the fuel tax?

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Speaker 21: Oh, it's just ty hoe. I mean it was cut

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Speaker 21: in the past, and any politician who cuts the tax

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Speaker 21: fu is are very difficult to re establish it. But

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Speaker 21: I think I if I understand. The Minister of Finances said, well,

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Speaker 21: we'll monitor it very closely. And look, if we're going

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Speaker 21: to cut the fuel tax and you've got a whole

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Speaker 21: bunch of people doing the hacker, they want four lane

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Speaker 21: highways everywhere. Well the doos got to come from somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Fair point, Shane, thank you very much, appreciate it. Shane Jones,

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Speaker 2: Associate Energy ministan Resources Minister. It's eleven past.

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Speaker 3: Five ever do for see Ellens.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll go down to the markets. The NZX

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Speaker 2: has closed down nearly four percent on the day. What's

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Speaker 2: happened over in Australia on the ASX has been described

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Speaker 2: as a blood bath. Greg Smith is an investment specialist

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Speaker 2: that generate wealth and KI we save and is with

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Speaker 2: us high Greg, Hi, what brought this on is at

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Speaker 2: the oil price?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all about the aid price as you're just

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Speaker 5: talking of Shane about Yeah, up twenty five percent today.

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Speaker 5: The all price was that That means it's risen seventy

801
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Speaker 5: percent since the conflict began a week ago and really

802
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Speaker 5: just disuppose those fears over our old faux inflation being stoked.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, the the New zeal market was down three

804
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Speaker 5: point two percent. We've actually held up pretty well over

805
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Speaker 5: the past week or so, but that all changed today.

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Speaker 5: Really was nowhere to hide. So he had travel stocks

807
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Speaker 5: and transport stocks they will are, but yeah, everything was

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Speaker 5: sort of taking a bit of a bath, including Frish

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Speaker 5: and Pikal Healthcare and that's our biggest company, down four

810
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Speaker 5: point six percent. But yeah, certainly all really resting with

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Speaker 5: what happened to the your price today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how worried to you about inflation as a result

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Speaker 2: of what you're seeing?

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Speaker 5: Well, looking the all price stays where it is or

815
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Speaker 5: even goes hi, that is going to be problematic for inflation.

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Speaker 5: I suppose you know that the big unknown is what

817
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Speaker 5: happens with the strait of humus. I suppose it would

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Speaker 5: point out that, you know, a lot of people have

819
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Speaker 5: been talking about this being like the seventies, the all crisis.

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Speaker 5: It's certainly not that we're seeing a political risk premium

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Speaker 5: being priced into oil. There's obviously various options for oil

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Speaker 5: coming from elsewhere, so that the straight counts around about

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Speaker 5: twenty percent worlds oil in terms of transport. Obviously, Trump

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Speaker 5: wants to get that going again. Iran they need oil revenues,

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Speaker 5: so they'll be having interest there and also yeah, we

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Speaker 5: can get all from other places. And also the US

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Speaker 5: something like back in the seventies is now a net

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Speaker 5: export of bill and it has shells. So yeah, I

829
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Speaker 5: mean it's concerning, and obviously we want to see the

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Speaker 5: oil price head back down, but yeah, current levels, it

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Speaker 5: certainly would do a bit to stoke inflation. But I

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Speaker 5: think look, it's also important here that those maybe that

833
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 5: are looking at their key we saber just to realize

834
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Speaker 5: what the market is doing in terms of the market.

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Speaker 5: Stock market reaction is not accounting for what is happening,

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Speaker 5: but what might happen. And I think we could easily

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Speaker 5: see things turn if even there was some sort of diplomacy.

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Speaker 5: I think the other big thing today was obviously Iran

839
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Speaker 5: has a new leader. Obviously Trump isn't backing down, So

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Speaker 5: that's sort of just perhaps pushed out the timeline a

841
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Speaker 5: bit for it's being resolved. Obviously the US are still

842
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 5: stinking to the narrative of weeks rather than months.

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Speaker 2: Do you think we're being completely rational here or is

844
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Speaker 2: this a little bit of the jittery stuff, you know,

845
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Speaker 2: like wild reactions to anything at the moment, because we're

846
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Speaker 2: a bit panicky.

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, we're remembering that stock markets and investors have

849
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Speaker 5: dealt with lots of crises before. Yeah, including warts. So

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Speaker 5: if you look at the Ukraine War, we had a

851
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Speaker 5: similar move in the oil price. We had a similar

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Speaker 5: move down the shear market. It lasted a little bit longer,

853
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Speaker 5: but you look at markets, they do recover, they get

854
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 5: past these crises. If you look at the U S

855
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 5: and P five hundred, the biggest index in America, that's

856
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 5: up around about eighty percent since the Low's posts Russia's

857
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Speaker 5: invasion of Ukraine. So really important to get some perspective.

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Speaker 2: Here, yeah too, right, Hey, Greg, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Appreciated Greg Smith, investment specialist to generate wealth and key,

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Speaker 2: we say, but we'll also talk to Shane Soley Harbor

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Speaker 2: Asset Management. He'll give us another update in about an

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Speaker 2: hour's time, fourteen past.

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Speaker 3: Five, Heather, do for CLA.

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Speaker 2: Right, here's something for you to keep an eye out tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: For I'm hearing that the Royal Commission of Inquiry into

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Speaker 2: how Chippy and Justin and Grant and all their mates

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Speaker 2: handled COVID towards the latter end is out tomorrow. I

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Speaker 2: am also hearing that in particular, it is not good

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Speaker 2: for Chippy. Now, bearing in mind obviously that I'm hearing

870
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Speaker 2: things because this is you know, this is what's going around,

871
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: and this is what people want you to hear. Just

872
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Speaker 2: bear that in mind. But from what I understand, there

873
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Speaker 2: will be decisions that will be discussed in this Royal

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Speaker 2: Commission of Inquiry that can be sheeted straight back to Chippy.

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Speaker 2: And they are decisions that we may not be altogether

876
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Speaker 2: stoked about. And I'm guessing that given that Auckland went

877
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: through the worst of it, it's going to be Auckland

878
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: as who are largely going to be a bit pussy

879
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: with him tomorrow. Anyway, I think keep an eye I

880
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: think I think it may land later in the day,

881
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: so keep an eye out for that. Also, this will

882
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: be some reprieve I would think for the National Party,

883
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: given what they have gone through in the last bit,

884
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: that the focus will be shifting back to the other Chris.

885
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: This is as this is read Chris rather than Blue

886
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: Chris quarter past. Just to reminder, Andrew Little is going

887
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: to be with us on just how much money he

888
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: thinks he can get out of the government if you

889
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: force his government buildings to pay rates with us after

890
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: half past it's eighteen past five at the minute. Now

891
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: we've got the data to back up the vibes. There

892
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: really has been a huge increase in kids and adults

893
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 2: learning Toda al Mari and learning in today al Mari.

894
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: So last year more than twenty eight thousand school kids

895
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: were taught the curriculum more than half the time in

896
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Speaker 2: the language, and that is up seventy one percent on

897
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Speaker 2: twenty five years ago. Mali Language advocate Stacey Morrison is

898
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Speaker 2: with us now. Stacey, Hello, Kyoder, So am I right

899
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: in thinking that all up? It's about sixty percent of

900
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Speaker 2: school kids who are learning something, even if it's just

901
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: a song.

902
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 22: Yeah, Well, the numbers that we're talking about, as you say,

903
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 22: are from twenty five years ago, so it's a big jump.

904
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 22: And those are kids who are in a more i

905
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 22: guess a bilingual unit kind of level. So the levels

906
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 22: go up from six to level one is when they're

907
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 22: in almost immersion eighty one to ninety nine percent. But

908
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 22: what we're talking about is the kids who are at

909
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 22: level three, which is about you know, seven to twelve

910
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 22: hours in a week, and then level five is just

911
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 22: when it's a separate subjet. Level six is when they

912
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 22: just have a little bit.

913
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Speaker 14: So in terms of.

914
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 22: How many kids, I mean, they're still two hundred and

915
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 22: fifty thousand kids they have no Tedel Mahdi education at all,

916
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 22: but it is obviously there's I guess what you've really

917
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 22: pointed out is there's a biggest spike in schools that

918
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 22: we sort of call a English medium or mainstream school

919
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 22: having a bilingual unit or a really good delivery of

920
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 22: Tedel Mahdi.

921
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: I'm imagining that part of the problem here and why

922
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: these numbers can't go up much faster is because we

923
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: just don't have enough teachers.

924
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, that's one of the things I guess. But

925
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 22: you know, you don't have to be a Maori teacher

926
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Speaker 22: or even a fluent Maori speaking teacher to teach a

927
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 22: little bit. So that's what we saw when they did

928
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 22: have the program Tahio Tedel that was to help teachers

929
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 22: at every level to engage wherever they were, so it

930
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Speaker 22: kind of boosted their confidence to bring in a bit. So,

931
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Speaker 22: like you say, if it's just songs, anyone can do that.

932
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 22: You don't need affluent Maori speaking Marty teachers to do that.

933
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 22: So it's about I guess, how a school can be

934
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Speaker 22: quite creative and meet their community in terms of where

935
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Speaker 22: they want to be, in terms of having a little

936
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Speaker 22: bit of their and a little bit of culture at

937
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Speaker 22: the school.

938
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Stacey. If what we want to get to though,

939
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Speaker 2: is proper, proper bilingualism across the country. These are not

940
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: these numbers aren't high enough, are they?

941
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 13: No, they're not.

942
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 22: You're completely right, and so well as I say, I

943
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 22: do think it's an everybody thing, not just the teachers

944
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 22: who are already their influence.

945
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: So one thing is valuing bilingualism.

946
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 22: And I love the fact that you've pointed out it's

947
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 22: about bilingualism because there's a lot of benefits of that,

948
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 22: and about half the people in the world are bilingual

949
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 22: at least, So the benefits of those transferable skills that

950
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 22: kids get when they have got that mental gym happening

951
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 22: of learning across languages, first of all, we need to

952
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 22: value at that, and then we can go, okay, so

953
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 22: how are we going to do that so that we

954
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 22: know our kids are having an education that's really seated

955
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 22: in coming from this country, and then they're bilingualism and

956
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 22: the inspirable skills can go right across the education and

957
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 22: then their professional life as well. So first of all

958
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 22: we have to value it and then we have to

959
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 22: resource it.

960
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Stacy, thanks very much, really appreciate your time, mate,

961
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: look after yourself. That's Stacey Morrison, Mardi Language Advocate here

962
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: to ask Shane Jones why the fuel prices go up

963
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: overnight when it's already bought and paid for? Heither, If

964
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 2: we have twenty eight days of fuel brought out the

965
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: cheaper price, why did the price go up last Friday?

966
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 15: Heither?

967
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: I'm interested to know why we've got stocks of twenty

968
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: eight days and twenty nine on the way. Why are

969
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: fuel prices increasing? I cannot tell you the number of

970
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: texts coming in along exactly the same line. You know

971
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: the answer to this. It's what the AA calls the

972
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: rocket and feather. Right the minute the price goes up,

973
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: the fuel guys rocket the price up, and when the

974
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 2: price comes down, they feather the price down really slowly

975
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: so they can make extra money out of you. You

976
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: know what's happening. You know it's happening. Five twenty one.

977
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 2: We'll deal with the fuel tax next.

978
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first, Heather Duplicy Ell

979
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: and Drive with One New Zealand and the power of

980
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: satellite mobile news talk said be.

981
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: Five twenty four. Now at the moment, the government is

982
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: shutting down any talk of cutting the petrol tax right

983
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: as we've covered in the show, and this is in

984
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 2: response to the Iran war driving up the oil price.

985
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: But I think that this is something that they should

986
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: keep open as a possibility depending on what happens next.

987
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: Oil prices have spiked this morning. I've already told you

988
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: they've broken through the one hundred US dollars a barrel

989
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: for the first time, that mark for the first time

990
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: in four years. It's now sitting around one hundred and

991
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: sixteen US dollars a barrel. It's up seventy percent since

992
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: the air strike started, up nearly twenty five percent a

993
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: day alone. Ninety one in this country is sitting at

994
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: two dollars sixty odd that's the national average. We're being

995
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: told to brace for it going through the three dollar

996
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: mark in the coming days. That's forty cents a liter

997
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 2: more than it is now. And apparently four dollars a

998
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: barrel is a possible. Four dollars a liter is a possibility. Now,

999
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: I think a cut in the petrol tax, if it

1000
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: gets to these kinds of levels, is wise for two reasons.

1001
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 2: The first is actually the most important one, which is

1002
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: that Keiwis will need it. Petrol going up that much

1003
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: drives up the price of everything, including your groceries, to

1004
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: serve us. If we are suffering, they have to respond.

1005
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: But secondly, it's smart politics for the coalition government because

1006
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: the less money that voters have in their pockets come

1007
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: election day, the heart of the incoming government is going

1008
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: to be punished at the ballot booth. But and it

1009
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: is a big butt. Cutting the petrol tax is expensive.

1010
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: A when Jacinda did it, remember it was twenty five

1011
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: cents a leader. She shaved off that cost close to

1012
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: three quarters of a billion dollars. Our country is broke

1013
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: because she did stuff like that. We are spending more

1014
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: than we are earning. The only way to make this

1015
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: thing work is to cut something else to pay for it,

1016
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: and that takes political courage. And I'm not sure that

1017
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: I've seen any evidence thus far that Nikola Willis has

1018
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: the kind of political courage that she needs to cut

1019
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: something in one place in order to fund something in

1020
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: another place. And this is why so many of us

1021
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: have put so much pressure on her to get the

1022
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 2: books in order, because you need money in the bank

1023
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: for when something like this happens, when you've got a

1024
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 2: war in the Middle East creating a shock that spikes

1025
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: up the petrol price. So I think the government may

1026
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: have to keep its options open depending on where the

1027
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: petrol price goes, and that isn't if a big if.

1028
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 2: Depending on where the petrol price goes, they may have

1029
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: to have something in the back pocket to be able

1030
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: to respond.

1031
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 3: Heather Duplessy, we'll talk.

1032
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: To the Huddle about it when they're with us. We're

1033
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: also going to talk to Nikoluilis. He'll be with us

1034
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: after six o'clock.

1035
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 7: Now.

1036
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: I was driving down the road the other day was

1037
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: actually Saturday. It was around about five o'clock in the afternoon,

1038
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 2: half plus five, and at the top of wif you

1039
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: know Ponsonby Road, at the top of Western Park, which

1040
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: is across from from the Wilworth Supermarket, it was a

1041
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 2: bit of a gathering going on. I'm assuming it was

1042
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: a bunch of Iranian expats because they had the flags

1043
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: out and they were partying to a song which caught

1044
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: my attention. Because the song sounded a lot like.

1045
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 9: This Atola am in a.

1046
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 3: Is dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead?

1047
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 17: Are you usual?

1048
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 2: Are you people close as you're driving down the street,

1049
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: You're like, are they Is that a song? Are they

1050
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: excited about somebody being dead and they're actually singing about that?

1051
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: Yes they are. So I just want to point this

1052
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: out to you because while the rest of us are

1053
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: tying ourselves up and not about whether the air strikes

1054
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: were legal or not, there is a group of people

1055
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: directly affected by what's going on in that country. What

1056
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: pretty stoked about it?

1057
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need,

1058
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: it's Heather Duplicyl and drive with one New Zealand coverage

1059
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: like no one else used talks that'd be me.

1060
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 2: Most of us are tying ourselves up and knots over

1061
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 2: the legality of the warts. Just the vocal handringing minority,

1062
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: very vocal huddles standing by, Gonna be with us shortly.

1063
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: And of course we've got nikolaulas as per on a

1064
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: Monday after six and we'll chat to her about the

1065
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: possibility of the tax cuts. Bury the fuel now onto

1066
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: something else entirely and is twenty five away from six.

1067
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 2: By the way, Labor is considering changing the law to

1068
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: force government buildings to pay rates to city councils. This

1069
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: is obviously if they win the November election. At the moment,

1070
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: none of the government buildings, Parliament, schools, hospitals pay any rates.

1071
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: Wellington has been agitating for this to change. In the

1072
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: mayor is Andrew little High Andrew, how much would it

1073
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: bring in for Wellington City Council.

1074
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 23: For Willington look, depending on whether they pay the residential

1075
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 23: rate or the commercial rate, could be anywhere between five

1076
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 23: million dollars and nearly seventeen million dollars. And they'll probably

1077
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 23: be a mix of residential, commercial or possibly a special rate.

1078
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 23: But the gains would be significant for a council of

1079
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 23: our size.

1080
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you just check them all on commercial rates

1081
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 2: if they are in the commercial precinct.

1082
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 23: If some are in residentially. If you think about schools

1083
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 23: they used for what forty weeks a year type of

1084
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 23: thing and residential areas, so you could justify something there.

1085
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 14: Many of the other buildings are in the city areas,

1086
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 14: so commercial rates might be justified.

1087
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 23: I think the point is that there's a lot of

1088
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 23: infrastructure that we're providing two Crown owned buildings that that

1089
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 23: are not paying their way.

1090
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: Is it a point of frustration for you?

1091
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 23: Oh, when you look at the value that it represents.

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Speaker 23: You know, we're in the process of doing the work

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Speaker 23: to set our budget. We're trying to cut as much

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Speaker 23: cost out of the budget and find other sources of revenue.

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Speaker 23: There ain't much other sources of revenue, so we're all

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Speaker 23: sort of cost cutting that is sensitive. But if we

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Speaker 23: can find other sources of revenue, that stuff makes a difference.

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Speaker 23: So what it ends up doing is bringing down rates

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Speaker 23: for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I was going to ask, is this would

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Speaker 2: you use it to pay down debt or would you

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Speaker 2: actually drop the rates increases for residents to go towards.

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Speaker 23: Keeping the rates increase levels as low as possible so

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Speaker 23: everybody gets to share the benefit of it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now I see the Labor Party is considering this.

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Speaker 2: Is this a serious thing?

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Speaker 5: As far as I know.

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Speaker 23: I saw saw the spokesperson telling you Tiquity saying that

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Speaker 23: that I understand they're doing their policy development because they

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Speaker 23: keep telling us they will have announcement soon. But good

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Speaker 23: on them if they are. I think this is something

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Speaker 23: that should be considered. I'm not the only saying this.

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00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 23: There are other mes saying this, as indeed they have

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Speaker 23: been for many years. I just think it's a question

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Speaker 23: we have to step up to. I don't think councils

1116
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 23: can go much longer carrying the cost of infrastructure for

1117
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 23: these Crown buildings without getting something back for it.

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Speaker 2: Have you raised it with the current government and what

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Speaker 2: have they said.

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Speaker 23: I haven't had a discussion with him about it, but

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Speaker 23: it will no doubt came up in future discussions.

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Speaker 2: Andrew, thank you very much and bestive luck with that.

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Speaker 2: That's Andrew Little, Wellington City Mayor. Twenty two away from

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Speaker 2: six the huddle.

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Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name you can

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00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 2: And we're joined on our huddle by Tris Shearson Shearson,

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Speaker 2: Willis pr and Joseph Agunni, the chief executive Child Fund,

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Speaker 2: who were so great gracious, took it so graciously when

1130
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Speaker 2: they were stood down as the emergency huddle on Friday.

1131
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Speaker 24: The flashing red light and went back to the afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Did you think actually on that subject, which is the

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Speaker 2: lux and leadership thing that happened on Friday, Trisha, I

1134
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: thought it's probably got a bit silly to have the

1135
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Speaker 2: media chasing him through the airport on Monday when the

1136
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Speaker 2: thing is already wrapped up and done by Friday afternoon.

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Speaker 24: Yes, I mean I thought it became very clear that

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00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 24: it's not a coup, it's a competence issue. And for

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Speaker 24: that reason, over the weekend, the whole thing, you know,

1140
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 24: went quiet. So yeah, I didn't think it had the

1141
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 24: excitement level today that would require chasing through Parliament. I mean,

1142
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Speaker 24: if it was a cup you would have seen leaking

1143
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 24: out over the weekend, you would have already by today

1144
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 24: we would have names in a ring. And unless you

1145
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Speaker 24: have an organized group in caucus or including backbenches who

1146
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 24: are doing the numbers, then this is actually a story

1147
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 24: I think about competence and authority of the Prime minister,

1148
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 24: and one bad poll is not a death certificate for him.

1149
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 24: But what it is is several missteps like he continues

1150
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 24: to make over time. They are eroding the view and

1151
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 24: his competence, and they're eroding his authority.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think, true, Joseph.

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00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean all that's since Friday is that we

1154
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 25: know when he came on your show, and we got

1155
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 25: pushed aside quite rightly that all that's changed is we

1156
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 25: know he's fighting, so he's making a decision that he's

1157
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 25: not letting go. It might not be his decision in

1158
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Speaker 25: the end. And you're right, this isn't really just about

1159
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 25: one bad poll. It is about that sort of sinking

1160
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 25: feeling you have that he's just not quite up to it.

1161
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Speaker 25: And I'm not sure that he's said anything between Friday

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00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 25: and now, and he's done a whole media around today

1163
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 25: that will have changed anybody's minds about that. So his

1164
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 25: line has been I'm not here.

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Speaker 2: I don't care about Poles.

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Speaker 25: I'm here for your children and your grandchildren. Well, that's

1167
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 25: not why you're unpopular. I mean, you know, we're not

1168
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 25: looking at an opposition that's there, you know, not for

1169
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 25: your children and grandchildren. So I'm not sure that he's

1170
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 25: put people's minds at rest that he can articulate a

1171
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Speaker 25: vision for the country, that he can sail a ship

1172
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Speaker 25: in stormy seas and reassure us that he's not going

1173
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 25: to sink the good ship New Zealand. And I set

1174
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 25: up this that they've announced they've set up this thing

1175
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 25: called something like the Economic supply chain security advisory body

1176
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Speaker 25: Good doesn't quite have the ring of Cobra in the

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Speaker 25: UK or epic fury or something like. So you know

1178
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 25: he's done that, that's okay, but it's just you know,

1179
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 25: he's got the work, ethic, the decency of a prime minister,

1180
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 25: he just doesn't have the character.

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Speaker 2: So the question is, Trish, whether you think that they

1182
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: are going to go to the election with him National?

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Speaker 24: What do you think again, in the absence of somebody

1184
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 24: actively doing the numbers, And here's my question Mark, I

1185
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 24: just am not convinced that anyone in National has got

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Speaker 24: the stomach for that at the moment. I mean, there

1187
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 24: was everyone's talked about that.

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00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: But so then what you're arguing is that the populan

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Speaker 2: because remember the reason that this is even a thing

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Speaker 2: is because at twenty eight percent, they lose twelve MPs, right,

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00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: they lose Nikola Willis, they lose Paul Goldsmith, depending on

1192
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: how the electorates shape up. Now, are they really going

1193
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: to go to the the election sitting on levels like

1194
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: this and being like unresigned to my fate. It's absolutely fine.

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Speaker 24: Well, well I did the number. I did a bit

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Speaker 24: of a breakdown of the numbers on that over the weekend,

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Speaker 24: and in fact, as usual, where the where the nervousness

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Speaker 24: should be is those electric MPs who are in marginal

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Speaker 24: seats and do not have the list cover, so you're

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Speaker 24: actually talking quite low down the list. And again one

1201
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Speaker 24: of my observations over the last little bit is that

1202
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Speaker 24: as our politics have changed, I think there is a

1203
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Speaker 24: decrease in the capability around staging a coupe. These things

1204
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Speaker 24: they are really tough, they are really hard, and you know,

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Speaker 24: I just am not convinced that within national there is

1206
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Speaker 24: the stomach to go again right now without something really

1207
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 24: fundamental happening. And I and I also think that just

1208
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Speaker 24: one of the things that is in the back of

1209
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Speaker 24: my mind though, And we saw it today with Luxin

1210
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 24: at the press conference his line today, which was, you know,

1211
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 24: on Friday, the media went a little bit bananas frankly

1212
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Speaker 24: around this. So in my view, where he consistently loses

1213
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 24: is he hasn't built a relationship with the media. He's

1214
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Speaker 24: put a whole lot of focus on going direct on

1215
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Speaker 24: social media that isn't and hasn't worked. He needs to

1216
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 24: rebuild a relationship with the press callery. He needs to

1217
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Speaker 24: start listening to the feedback of his team, which is fundamental,

1218
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Speaker 24: and I understand that's what's driving a lot of the

1219
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 24: frustration right down from his office through the beehive, is

1220
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 24: that he's not a person who can take advice and

1221
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 24: he's look.

1222
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Speaker 25: I mean, he's one stumble away from a bunch of people,

1223
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Speaker 25: all of whom we know, the names, we know, ready

1224
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 25: to pounce. And the thing is, even you watch him

1225
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 25: today on the post cabinet press conference, you're waiting for

1226
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Speaker 25: him to say something think that might stumble or not

1227
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Speaker 25: quite get right. And then of course every time one

1228
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Speaker 25: of those ministers walks out their front door, walks into

1229
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 25: their office, they're going to be stopped by the media

1230
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 25: and the first question will be are you do you

1231
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 25: have Does a preme minister have your full support? And

1232
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 25: the answer will be something like, it's today, the Prime

1233
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 25: Minister has my full support. Oh not tomorrow. Well, I

1234
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 25: couldn't be any clearer. So you're just going to get

1235
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 25: this over and over again. And look, I just think

1236
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 25: the confidence is just dropped and I don't know how.

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00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: You get that back.

1238
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Speaker 25: And the right track, ron track is not in the

1239
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 25: government's favor, and I just think they're going to go. Look,

1240
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Speaker 25: one final statistic I'll give you about this time in

1241
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 25: the electoral cycle was when Mark Carney rolled Justin Trudeau

1242
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 25: in Canada wipped out pretty well.

1243
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: Okay, take a break, come back and talk about fuel tax.

1244
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: Sixteen away from six.

1245
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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only

1246
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: truly global brand.

1247
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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle, Joseph Ganni and Tricius

1248
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: and Josie do you reckon they should keep option of

1249
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: a fuel tax cut open?

1250
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 21: Oh?

1251
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 13: You know, yes, and no.

1252
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Speaker 25: I do think it's slightly ironic that the Taxpayers Union

1253
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 25: is in effect calling for a subsidy for the government

1254
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 25: to subsidize drivers and you know, they calling for a

1255
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 25: a tax cut and inverted commas. But it's actually a subsidy,

1256
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 25: isn't it. And so the problem is though you know,

1257
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 25: it's a temporary measure and you're basically asking future taxpayers

1258
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 25: to pay for it. It's a big borrow iou from

1259
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Speaker 25: the future. And I don't think. I don't think it's

1260
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Speaker 25: the right thing to do right now. I do wonder,

1261
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 25: you know, this could be over quite quickly, or it

1262
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 25: could drag on you know, this is the nature of

1263
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 25: war now, it's drones, it's robotics, it's it's autonomous weapons

1264
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 25: that could just sort of drag on without necessarily impacting

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00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 25: supply chains further than a few weeks.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 25: I don't know, so no, I don't think it's the

1268
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 25: right thing to do now. But yeah, thanks Taxpayers Union

1269
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Speaker 25: for calling for government subsidy, big government go. Well, I'm

1270
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 25: going to give a bouquet to the government here. I

1271
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 25: thought this was smart politics their press conference today. Number One,

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Speaker 25: to really take back the narrative on this whole I

1273
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 25: run situation in the uncertainty. Number one, to sort of

1274
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Speaker 25: move the PM off to the side and have this

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Speaker 25: focused on Nicola Willis. And I think the message that

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Speaker 25: they were trying to send to New Zealanders is we

1277
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Speaker 25: get this as serious and we are really serious about it.

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Speaker 25: So they've put in this Ministerial Oversight Committee.

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Speaker 21: Great.

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Speaker 24: The other thing that I the other thing that I

1281
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Speaker 24: really like today was when Nikola Willis was asked about

1282
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Speaker 24: the field lowering the field tax, she immediately said, you know,

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Speaker 24: we cannot go to short term sugar hits. We know

1284
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Speaker 24: what happened last time under the previous labor government when

1285
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Speaker 24: they were you know, sugar hitting all over the place,

1286
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Speaker 24: whether it was petrol tax or whatever else. And I

1287
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Speaker 24: think the one thing that is terrible in politics is

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Speaker 24: when you do a sugar hit today and you continually

1289
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Speaker 24: put off the big stuff because we haven't got any

1290
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Speaker 24: money again. Yeah, and I really like the fact that

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Speaker 24: Willis today was being the grown up in the room

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Speaker 24: and actually saying to.

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Speaker 2: People it's hard.

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Speaker 24: There's a very tough situation and I'm not going to

1295
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Speaker 24: go now and make a make a move like this.

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Speaker 14: I really liked it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it does make it harder for them at the election,

1298
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 2: though it doesn't. I mean, oh yeah, well and hold

1299
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Speaker 2: till November.

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Speaker 24: But as a voter, I want a government who does

1301
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Speaker 24: hard stuff so I can evaluate the trade offs.

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Speaker 2: They are really honest about it.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to be immediately negative about the story

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Speaker 2: about side L Mahrdy in schools, Joseph, but I can't

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Speaker 2: help her get there because I mean, while the numbers

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Speaker 2: are fantastic, if you've got like twenty eight thousand kids

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Speaker 2: learning it, learning the curricul that's not enough. It's just

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Speaker 2: like if we have dreams of being bilingual I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to get there with numbers like that.

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Speaker 25: Well, and also they're struggling to get too teachers because

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Speaker 25: they can't pay them in that which you know, again

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Speaker 25: comes back to the whole ability to pay good teachers more.

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Speaker 2: And if you can speak to Elmari fluently, the money

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Speaker 2: that you can make in consulting to government departments is eyewater.

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Speaker 25: So you've got to pay teachers more. And you know

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Speaker 25: that's only the unions have got to get behind that.

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Speaker 25: And part of the problem is I look back at

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Speaker 25: my kids who are at school, you know, relatively recently,

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Speaker 25: and you know, we're paying teachers to teach them about

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Speaker 25: American civil rights movement. Great, but I'd rather pay them

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Speaker 25: to learn to real or I'd rather pay them something

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Speaker 25: in New Zealand rather than paying them to learn about

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Speaker 25: you know, the Vietnam War or something.

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Speaker 2: So that's the problem.

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Speaker 25: If you if you can't pay them enough, we're not

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Speaker 25: going to get enough teachers and we're not going to

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Speaker 25: teach more kids to re or Mary. And actually we

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Speaker 25: feel really proud of that, right, We feel proud when

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Speaker 25: we've you know, managed to speak a bit of Mari

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Speaker 25: or you know, go overseas and you know, we know

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Speaker 25: we can do a wiater and a bit of a mehi.

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Speaker 2: And overseas trips, isn't.

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Speaker 19: What do you think?

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Speaker 24: Well, I'm throwing at the bouquets here, but I'm going

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Speaker 24: to give you a big bouquet to termin in high

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Speaker 24: school because when I was in the third form in

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Speaker 24: nineteen eighty six, I just ticked over forty years before

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Speaker 24: you do the calculation and fourth form in nineteen eighty seven,

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Speaker 24: we had those first two years where today was compulsory

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Speaker 24: and in my my education at high school, that is

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Speaker 24: one of the things that I appreciate the most. It

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Speaker 24: was absolutely fantastic. I think having a problem with the

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Speaker 24: pipeline of teachers is a much better problem for New

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Speaker 24: Zealand than having a problem with demand. I think it

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Speaker 24: shows how much we are into this as a country.

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Speaker 24: I think it's a fantastic things and it's it's.

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Speaker 2: Going to be slow going.

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Speaker 24: Well it is slow than it was, but also don't remember,

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Speaker 24: you know, remember the base that we're coming off. It's

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Speaker 24: slow going, but we have made fantastic progress and you know,

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01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 24: we know what the problem is, so we just need

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Speaker 24: to turn the spotlight on it. Are doing relentlessly positive.

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Speaker 2: Well do it, do it exactly, Let's let's do it.

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Speaker 2: N Sorry about that. I was throw and apologize.

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Speaker 4: Ladies.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much for coming in. It's great to chat

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Speaker 2: to you. Trishus and Joseph ac Garney are hud of

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Speaker 2: this evening. Seven away from five.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's five away from six. Listen. This sounds this

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01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 2: sounds kooky and like it's not real, but apparently it

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Speaker 2: is quite real. It's becoming realistic, the idea of mining

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Speaker 2: asteroids for you know, the critical minerals and so on.

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Speaker 2: In fact, it's so advanced that they're now talking about

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Speaker 2: how we regulate this as an industry out in space.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk to a woman who's actually who's

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Speaker 2: panicking about setting rules around this. He'll be with us

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Speaker 2: after half past six. I said I would tell you

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Speaker 2: a little bit about the new Iranian leader. So it's

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Speaker 2: the son as I told you earlier of Ali Harmony.

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Speaker 2: The Telegraph in the UK has revealed a little bit

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Speaker 2: about him. Apparently he and his wife. This is going

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Speaker 2: to sound like a weird place to start the story,

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Speaker 2: so I apologize, but where he and his wife had

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Speaker 2: fertility issues in the late nineties and he got so

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Speaker 2: panicked about trying to have an air have an air

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Speaker 2: be born to him that he thought for a brief

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Speaker 2: hot moment about leaving his wife, but the wife sorted

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Speaker 2: it out, took everybody off to London to undergo fertility treatment.

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Speaker 2: It cost them two point two million New Zealand dollars,

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Speaker 2: so they traveled there with a huge crew. This is

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Speaker 2: why it's so expensive. They had twenty bodyguards, three of

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Speaker 2: her maids. Her mum came along two of her maids.

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Speaker 2: As you do, rented a floor at the Sheraton Grand

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Speaker 2: Hotel in Park Lane for two months, did the treatment,

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Speaker 2: and with them came a serial killer named said mummy,

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Speaker 2: who was a good maid of his. Sounds like came

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Speaker 2: mainly because it was a maid of his, but also

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Speaker 2: apparently may have known a little bit about the English

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Speaker 2: speaking world or something, because he helped him out in London.

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Speaker 2: Apparently he was responsible, says The Telegraph, sometimes directly, other

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Speaker 2: times as a planner and supervisor for the killings of

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Speaker 2: numerous intellectuals and political dissidents from nineteen eighty eight and

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, known as the chain murders of Iran.

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Speaker 2: The whole trip was the seat. The trip ended up

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Speaker 2: being reasonably successful because as a result of the fertility treatment,

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Speaker 2: the wife then went on to give birth to a son.

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Speaker 2: Trouble is that son and that wife were killed along

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Speaker 2: with the dad, as in the granddad of the boy

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Speaker 2: Ali harmony and the strikes last weekend. So if there

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Speaker 2: was any hope that the new one who's been ushered

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Speaker 2: in as the supreme leader would be any different, not

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Speaker 2: judged judging by the company that he keeps as in

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Speaker 2: a bit of a serial killer. Probably not, And as

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Speaker 2: I said earlier, probably a bit angry at the states

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Speaker 2: we're taking out his entire family. Anyway, Nikola Willis is

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Speaker 2: going to be with us next on everything, including lead

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Speaker 2: leadership issues. In the National Party news talks, he'd beat.

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Speaker 8: Our voice.

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Speaker 3: I heard this say.

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Speaker 1: What's up, what's down? What were the major calls and

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Speaker 1: how will it affect the economy? The big business questions

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour, We're they had the duplicy Allen

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Speaker 1: and Mas insurance and investments, your futures, goodheads U storfs B.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up in the next hour Shane Soley

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Speaker 2: is going to talk us through the oil price and

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01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 2: the implications of the spike. A law lecturer on why

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Speaker 2: we need rules for asteroid mining. Yep, it's a real thing.

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Speaker 2: And Gavin Gray is with us out of the UK

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Speaker 2: at seven pass six and with us now as per

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Speaker 2: usual on a Monday is Nikola Willis the Finance Minister.

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Speaker 2: High Nikola, Good evening, Heather. How do you rate the

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Speaker 2: possibility that we will have to ration fuel?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 13: At the stage we have good fuel security. We have

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Speaker 13: around twenty nine days worth a fuel stock in the

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Speaker 13: country and a similar amount on the water on its

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Speaker 13: way here, so there's no immediate threat to fuel security.

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Speaker 13: We've stood up our response group to that, so we're

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Speaker 13: working with industry to monitor that very closely. We're also

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Speaker 13: members of the International Energy Agency that if there were

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Speaker 13: to be a global shock to fuel security, has a

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Speaker 13: number of options with hout steps in to act.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So apart from apart from the fact that you

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Speaker 2: got have the powers to ration fuel if necessary, what

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Speaker 2: else can you do?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 13: Right now we can assure New Zealander is that there's

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Speaker 13: enough fuel for at least sixty days and then beyond that,

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Speaker 13: of course, fuel companies will be responsible for having their

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Speaker 13: own audism and ensuring that that can come to New Zealand.

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Speaker 13: And we are members of the International Energy Agency, which

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Speaker 13: will have the options of increasing supply tickets for future

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Speaker 13: supply to come in. And of course as part of

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Speaker 13: our monitoring, there are always options down the line if

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Speaker 13: there's not abundant fuel in the world, but we haven't

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Speaker 13: given consideration to specific proposals there yet because there's no

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Speaker 13: need to at this stage.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what I'm trying to get to is because and

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Speaker 2: I asked Shane Jones a similar thing and didn't get

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Speaker 2: an adequate response. I mean, it sounds very cool that

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Speaker 2: you guys have set up a ministerial oversight group, but

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Speaker 2: what actually are you doing apart from just your jobs.

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Speaker 13: Well, we have an incident management group at the Ministry

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Speaker 13: for Business and what they do is they work with

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Speaker 13: the fuel importation companies that retailers fuel users to understand

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Speaker 13: what the picture is looking like. So if they were

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Speaker 13: to say, look, we're actually having difficulties getting future orders

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Speaker 13: of fuel, we would have very advanced warning of that

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Speaker 13: and that would provide us time to respond well.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that basically just what happens with the energy ministry anyway,

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Speaker 2: Like you didn't have to set up this group, This

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Speaker 2: is just running a country.

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Speaker 13: Well, the particular thing that happens is we work much

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Speaker 13: more closely with industry fuel importers and retailers to be

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Speaker 13: getting real time information about what they're seeing happening in markets,

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Speaker 13: and then we engage with our international counterparts, so Australia,

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Speaker 13: the US and others, to understand what their likely responses

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Speaker 13: are to that. As you appreciate, they have options in

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Speaker 13: terms of OPEC, in terms of which oil supplies they

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Speaker 13: release into the global market and how they ensure that

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Speaker 13: fuel is able to reach countries around the world, because

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Speaker 13: of course it's in everyone's interests that there aren't global

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Speaker 13: fuel shortages.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to I've got a surprise a number

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Speaker 2: of texts that have actually surprised me at just how

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Speaker 2: many techts I'm getting raising concerns about how fast the

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Speaker 2: oil companies, that the petrol companies are moving to push

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Speaker 2: up the price. Are you monitoring what's going on there

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Speaker 2: that they're not just going to gouge us?

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Speaker 13: Yes we are, And overnight we've asked the Commerce Commission

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Speaker 13: to step up it's monitoring of what's happening with fuel pricing.

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Speaker 13: Of course, we do expect there will be market movements

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Speaker 13: as those global prices increase, but this should not be

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Speaker 13: an opportunity for fuel companies to gouge or to make

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Speaker 13: unreasonable hikes in prices. So the Commerce Commission are watching

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Speaker 13: that carefully and they stand ready to act if we

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Speaker 13: do see perverse market behavior.

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Speaker 2: Oka Now, have you actually decided that you will delay

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Speaker 2: the tax the tax increase on the fuel price for

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Speaker 2: next year or are you just considering this?

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Speaker 13: Well, I've simply acknowledged that Cabinet has not yet considered

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01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 13: the legislation that would be required to affect that increase,

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Speaker 13: and when we do give consideration to that, we will

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Speaker 13: need to be mindful of market conditions at the time.

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Speaker 13: So simply as part of being a responsible government, we

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Speaker 13: would have to look at, well, what's happening with petrol

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Speaker 13: prices across the economy and what does that mean. And

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Speaker 13: I'm just being an adult and saying the consequences of

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Speaker 13: not increasing petrol tax would be that there's less money

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Speaker 13: available to maintain the roads, to rebuild roads after major

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Speaker 13: weather events, less money available to build the new roads

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Speaker 13: that New Zealanders want to see. So we would have

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Speaker 13: to weigh that up at the time based on the

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Speaker 13: best information we have, and that's several months away that consideration.

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Speaker 2: And is it a hard no to cutting the fuel

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Speaker 2: excise tax or just a no for now?

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Speaker 13: It's not something we're considering at this time. I'm mindful

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Speaker 13: that petrol tax hasn't increased since twenty twenty and the

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01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 13: last government when it did affect what was meant to

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Speaker 13: be a short term reduction in the fuel price, ended

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Speaker 13: up extending that it came a big cost around a

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Speaker 13: billion dollars. And again we're just being realistic about the

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Speaker 13: fact that that would have an impact both either in

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Speaker 13: terms of debt or it would have an impact in

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Speaker 13: terms of road maintenance. So we need to weigh that

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Speaker 13: up because short term gain could equal medium term pain.

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Speaker 13: And it is too early for us to have a

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01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,839
Speaker 13: knee jerk reaction to what has been a considerable spike

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Speaker 13: in oil prices in recent days. We need to keep

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01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 13: monitoring the situation. We're not actively considering fuel subsidies at

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Speaker 13: this time.

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Speaker 2: Have you got to the stage yet where you are

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Speaker 2: having to rethink anything in your budget, which is in

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Speaker 2: a couple of months.

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Speaker 20: No.

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Speaker 13: What I did get late last week was the preliminary

1530
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 13: fiscal forecasts based on what we've seen since the December update,

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01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 13: and that was painting a much rosier picture than I

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01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 13: presented to you in December. What that showed was that

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01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 13: we were on track to have a better operating value.

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Speaker 2: But what has happened in Iran, And that's fine and

1535
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 2: I'm aware of that, but what has happened in Iran

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01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 2: has changed things potentially from here on. And have you

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01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 2: had any indication you may have to rethink the budget?

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01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 2: Was it too early?

1539
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 13: I have absolutely had an indication that if this crisis

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01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 13: is prolonged and continues, and these very high oil prices

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01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 13: are sustained four months or even longer, that will have

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01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 13: an effect on inflation here at home.

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01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 2: When do you have to mean, You've got two months

1545
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 2: and the budgets happening, So when do you have to

1546
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 2: start thinking about whether you rework the budget?

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01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 13: I get my final economic forecasts on the first of April,

1549
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 13: so that's when I know what is the outlook for

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01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 13: the New Zealand economy, and there will be time at

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01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 13: that juncture to assess for given that, what does that

1552
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 13: mean for the spending decisions that the government makes for

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01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 13: this year's budget? So there will be time to react

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01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 13: to that if need be.

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01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 2: Okay, Nikolas, why didn't you fully back Chris Luxon on Friday?

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01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 3: I did?

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01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 2: You didn't. You were asked if I had the right guy?

1558
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 2: You were asked, is he the right guy? And you

1559
01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 2: didn't say yes.

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Speaker 13: He had the backing of the National Party caucus.

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01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 2: I said, yes, do you want to try again there? Yes?

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Speaker 13: And I heard you fiscim the interview late last week,

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01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 13: and I thought, actually that you were being quite an

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01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 13: imaginary artist in terms of your reading between lines that

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01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 13: simply weren't things that I said. I was very clear

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01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 13: that not only does the Prime Minister have my backing,

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01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 13: he has the backing of our entire National Party caucus,

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01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 13: he has the backing of our government, and he is

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01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 13: doing an excellent job. And to try and read anything

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01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 13: other than those precise statements into what I said, I

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01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 13: think is just mischief making.

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01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 14: Well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've been around long enough to know exactly

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01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 2: what you were doing by not answering that question directly.

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01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 13: And I've been around long enough to see mischief making

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01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 13: by the media for many, many years. And as much

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01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 13: as you're accusing me of list, you were not immune

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01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 13: from it.

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01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 2: Are you accusing me now?

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01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 13: How Yes, because I backed the Prime Minister. I am

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01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 13: loyal to the Prime Minister and that's exactly what I

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01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 13: laid out on Friday.

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01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,799
Speaker 2: All right, is this coming up at caucus tomorrow?

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01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 13: Well, we don't discuss what we discuss at caucus. Caucus

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01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:13,560
Speaker 13: as a private meeting where we discuss upcoming policy, legislation

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 13: and other issues of the day.

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Speaker 2: All right, nick Ella, thank you very much for the

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01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 2: time appreciated. It's called Nikola Willis Finance Minister. Quarter past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by Newstalks EBB. Approaching the numbers

1591
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: and getting the results. It's Heather Duplessy Allen on the

1592
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: Business Hour with maths, insurance and investments. Your futures in

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01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: good hands, US talks EDB.

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01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 2: Heather. The Commerce Commission will do absolutely nothing. The fuel

1595
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: companies pull this truck every single time that oil price

1596
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 2: is spike. Then there's the public complaints on talkback for

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01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 2: a few weeks, and then eventually we all move move on.

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01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 2: I'm disgruntled, but submissive. I agree, and it's going to

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Speaker 2: play out the way it always has, but they will

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Speaker 2: probably be a little bit more careful and rocketing the

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01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 2: price up because everybody's watching so closely at the minute. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: that's what I'd like to think. Nineteen past six, and

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01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 2: on that very subject, we have Shane solely harbor asset

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01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: management with US high Shane, I have that. Okay, where's

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01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 2: the oil price at now? How does this compare with

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Speaker 2: previous events?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, it's really moving quite quickly. So today it's

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01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 14: closing about one hundred and fifteen dollars per barrel. That's

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01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 14: for brint, up sixty percent from the twenty twenty seventh

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Speaker 14: of February, which is the day before the fair strucks.

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01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 14: Last time we saw this Heather was back in twenty

1612
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 14: ten twenty fourteen, which is the hour of spring disruptions.

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01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 14: Difference this time around is these are the attacks on refineries.

1614
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 14: It seen an increase in gas prices and crackspreads. It's

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01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 14: the cost of turning a barrel in the world into jetfill.

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01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 14: For example, it's about ten times up, so quite a widening.

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01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 14: Normally we see the worst early on until we see

1618
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 14: the scope and the breadth of the disruption. But look,

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01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 14: it's nobody's interests for the straits of homes to be closed,

1620
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 14: but they are, they affected, they are. So we to

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01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 14: see a bit of a demand and supply response. Historically

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Speaker 14: above one hundred dollars a barrel, we start to see

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01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 14: demand turning off, and we also start to see the

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01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 14: US releasing some of its strategic reserves. So look, it's

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01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 14: going to be pretty dynamic. But how high energy prices go,

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Speaker 14: how long they stay out about it, that will impact

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01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 14: the global economy, central bank policy responses, and how investment

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Speaker 14: markets go. At the moment, people are taking the negative view.

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01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:28,759
Speaker 2: Okay, talk me through what you're seeing in the capital markets.

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01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 14: So long term bond yards that doesn't get talked about

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01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 14: a lot. This is the like ten year government bond

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01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 14: yards in the US, they've gone up by zero point

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01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 14: two percent to about four point one Here in New

1634
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 14: Zealand they're up about zero point three five percent to

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01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 14: four point seven percent. That means we're all paying a

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01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 14: bit more for borrowing. So the cost of borrowing money

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01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 14: is gone up for particularly businesses and consumers. Over time,

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01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 14: Shear markets actually have been relatively you know, the risk

1639
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 14: hasn't come through quite as much. S and P five

1640
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 14: hundred down to two percent from its pre strike price,

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01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 14: but the futures of a night here they're looking like

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01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 14: they're going to be down about two percent. We've seen

1643
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 14: some really big moves in other markets that they're sort

1644
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 14: of secondary markets. The career market, for example, is down

1645
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 14: eighteen percent, Japanese market down twelve percent from before that

1646
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 14: pre strike level. They're both very oil intensive importers, so

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01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,560
Speaker 14: they're more exposed. Europe down about seven locally. Here in

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01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 14: New Zealand we're about four point six percent down from

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01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 14: that pre strike level. Today a bit of a soft day,

1650
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 14: down three point one percent, led by weakness and companies

1651
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 14: like Fishing and Bugle health Care and A two which

1652
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 14: have been strong performance before this, and then travels sensitive

1653
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 14: companies like Upen Airport and bind Se set of companies

1654
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 14: like in fratill and Gentiles. But New Zealand we tend

1655
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 14: to be a little less volatile. We're more defensive, so

1656
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 14: not surprising to see us do less bad.

1657
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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thank you very much. Shane has always appreciate

1658
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: your time, mate. That's Shane Soley of harbor asset management

1659
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 2: worth mentioning as well. Of course, the price of aviation

1660
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 2: fuel has spiked, so that's going to get two six

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Speaker 2: twenty two.

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01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

1663
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 1: on the business hour with the DUP, SLA and MAS

1664
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: insurance and investments.

1665
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Speaker 3: Your futures in good hands us talk ZB local Z.

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01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 2: In West Aalkland diesel has gone from a dollar ninety

1667
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 2: nine to two dollars forty in the past two days.

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01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,640
Speaker 2: That must be for diesel already in the country and

1669
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: no reason for that. Listen on the old greenwashing thing.

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01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 2: I actually I feel a little bit.

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01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 14: Do I feel torn?

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01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 2: No, I just enjoy it. I quite like the businesses

1673
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 2: getting done at the minute with allegations of greenwashing, because

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01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 2: I never really enjoyed the fact that we all got

1675
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 2: so weird about the climate and pretended that we were

1676
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 2: doing for the climate when we really weren't doing anything

1677
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 2: for the climate. The latest business to get in trouble

1678
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 2: is Mazda in trouble with the old climate the climate

1679
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 2: lawyers who are making a bit of a nuisance of

1680
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,600
Speaker 2: themselves for these businesses. What Mazda has done allegedly is

1681
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 2: They've got this promotion that they've been running in New

1682
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 2: Zealand called Driving Good and they promised that if you

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01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 2: bought a car, they would donate five trees to a

1684
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 2: tree planting charity to offset the CO two emissions of

1685
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,600
Speaker 2: the car for the five year warranty period. The problem is,

1686
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 2: according to the lawyers for Climate Action, they say that

1687
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 2: you actually need forty one thousand native trees to cover

1688
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 2: the emissions of a c X five for five years,

1689
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 2: not five trees. So they are off to the Advertising

1690
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 2: Standards Authority on allegations of greenwashing. And I'm going to

1691
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 2: be keeping an eye on it for you and updating

1692
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 2: you as this goes along. Six twenty six.

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Speaker 3: There's no business like show business, Nicka.

1694
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 2: So it's been a little bit of a scary day

1695
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 2: for Rhanna because her Beverly Hail's home was the target

1696
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 2: of a daylight drive by shooting. A woman in her

1697
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 2: thirties was arrested at the scene for allegedly firing bullets

1698
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 2: from her car at the singer's home at around one

1699
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 2: o'clock in the afternoon in La The suspect then drove

1700
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 2: off in a white Tesla. She was found about half

1701
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 2: an hour later in a shopping center car park. Radio

1702
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 2: dispatch said the woman had her hair and braids, wore

1703
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 2: a cream colored blouse. In the outside of her car

1704
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 2: was dirt. It's been reported the weapon used was an

1705
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 2: AR fifteen style rifle. Rhianna was in the house at

1706
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 2: the time, but there's no word on where her husband,

1707
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 2: Asap Rocky, or the couple three kids were. Only one

1708
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 2: bullet actually penetrated the wall of the mansion. Luckily no

1709
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 2: one was hurt. A local reporter was there on the scene.

1710
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 14: Quiet Street in Beverly Hills.

1711
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 9: This is as close as we can get right now.

1712
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 9: Tons of undercover police here, investigation still ongoing.

1713
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 14: Yeah, helicopters above.

1714
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:29,799
Speaker 2: And then he talked to one of the singer's neighbors

1715
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 2: who said he heard about ten.

1716
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:34,759
Speaker 9: Shots, probably ten shots.

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01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 26: Wow.

1718
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that happened for Rhianna today. So whatever happened

1719
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 2: in your day, it probably wasn't nearly as horrific more

1720
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 2: exciting as Rihanna's day was. Right onto the asteroids mining. Now,

1721
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 2: I know, if I say to you asteroid mining, you

1722
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 2: think this is ridiculous and what are you even talking about?

1723
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 2: But we are at the stage with asteroid mining that

1724
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 2: we apparently need some rules. We'll get you across that next.

1725
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 1: On the way, everything from SMEs to the big corporates,

1726
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: the business hour with head, the duper salt and mass,

1727
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: insurance and investments, your futures in good hands, us talks.

1728
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 21: It'd be.

1729
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 3: You don't have to got and oh god, I get.

1730
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 2: You're able to get us out of the UK and

1731
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 2: ten minutes time. Read in to this what you will.

1732
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: But Methanex has written down its business here in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: the methanol business in Taranaki to zero. It's booked a

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Speaker 2: seventy one million US dollar non cash impairment reducing the

1735
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 2: New Zealand cash generating unit to a recoverable amount of

1736
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Speaker 2: nil in its annual report. Think you know what that means?

1737
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Speaker 2: Twenty five away from seven. Time for us to talk

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01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 2: about asteroid mining now. It is something that you generally

1739
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 2: only expect to see in the sci fi movies, but

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01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 2: apparently it is actually close to becoming a reality. In fact,

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Speaker 2: the technology to do this is now so far advanced

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Speaker 2: that there are already worries over how to regulate the industry.

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Speaker 2: Animory Brennan is a senior law lecturer at Whichattle University

1744
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:16,919
Speaker 2: and with us high animory.

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Speaker 20: Hi, thanks so much for having me.

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01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're welcome, Thanks for joining us. How close is it? Like,

1747
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 2: how long before we're actually mining an asteroid by the end.

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01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 20: Of the decade by all accounts, and the technology to

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01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 20: get us there is actually being built and developed here

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01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 20: in New Zealand.

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01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 2: How do you actually do it? How would they do it?

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Speaker 20: It's basically about sending small, smart robots to find, sample

1753
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 20: and extract well what we think might be useful stuff

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01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,759
Speaker 20: from near Earth asteroids, water for fuel and life support,

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Speaker 20: metals for structure, and perhaps one day as well traces

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01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 20: of platinum group elements. So the near term payoff isn't

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01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 20: bags of platinum. It's basically about in space fuel and

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01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 20: oxygen that we can stay in space for longer and

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01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 20: so that we don't have to bring everything with us

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01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 20: from Earth. So basically that is the logic behind NASA's

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Speaker 20: institue resource utilization plans and also industry plans as well,

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01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 20: to try and have the basics when we do want

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Speaker 20: to construct and stay longer in outer space.

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Speaker 2: So is there no one who was motivated to mind

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Speaker 2: the critical minerals and bring them back here.

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01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 20: Well, those minerals as well will be crucial for our smartphones,

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01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 20: everything from palladium for creating electronics and advanced medical devices,

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01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 20: pacemakers and catalytic converters. And indeed, one of the big

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01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 20: environ mental payoffs here is actually that it would reduce

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01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 20: the environmental footprint here on Earth. This is what some

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01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 20: researchers think, but at the same time, a lot of researchers,

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01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 20: a lot of lawyers think that we do need a

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01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 20: monitoring mechanism for.

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Speaker 13: This activity.

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Speaker 20: And of course New Zealand is intertwined with this story.

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Speaker 20: The California startup Astroforge launched Odin in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 20: to scout a metal rich asteroid and the spacecraft flew

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Speaker 20: with propulsion from Dawn Aerospace, which is a New Zealand

1779
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 20: based company, and don Aerospace's own Heritage Lab notes that

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Speaker 20: the Odin spacecraft is equipped with Dawn Aerospace SAT drive propulsion. Now,

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Speaker 20: New Zealand is regarded as a strong player in the space.

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Speaker 20: In the space industry, it is heavily regulated to ensure

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Speaker 20: that that operations launch from here don't have the environmental footprint,

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Speaker 20: but other countries don't have that robust regulation. So the

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Speaker 20: concerns are that other if other companies launch from other countries,

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Speaker 20: how do we ensure that the environmental footprint is kept

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Speaker 20: as low as possible?

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Speaker 2: What do we are we concerned about what happens back

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Speaker 2: on Earth or are we concerned that they get up

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Speaker 2: there in the muck around of the asteroid and then

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Speaker 2: but start hitting satellites.

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Speaker 20: Well, the risks here I suppose, firstly, if we look

1793
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 20: at outer space drilling, thruster plumes and even surface contact

1794
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 20: and kick up dust that can threaten other spacecraft along

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01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 20: too other companies and states and also contaminate pristine science targets.

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01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 20: And that is why we see emerging norms around drilling

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01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 20: and mining and outer space trying to emphasize transparency and

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Speaker 20: dec confiction and sustainability so that there aren't any disputes

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Speaker 20: or arguments about how we go about asteroid mining. And

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Speaker 20: then this is also ongoing at the level at the

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Speaker 20: UN level with the Committee on the Peaceful Uses of

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Speaker 20: Outer Space. So they're trying to develop the guidelines in

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Speaker 20: actual real time to try and put principles to provide

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Speaker 20: guidelines in place so that we can actually mine.

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Speaker 2: We are we getting a hit of ourselves here, because

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Speaker 2: I mean, if we just look at the critical minerals mining, right,

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01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 2: it is so enormously expensive to mine it on Earth.

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Speaker 2: Surely if you're then sending a piece of citap up

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Speaker 2: into space to go in mind, it just makes the

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01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 2: whole thing impossible in terms of its expenses. And surely

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Speaker 2: the same must also be true of trying to get water, oxygen,

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01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 2: or anything out of asteroid. It's surely cheaper to just

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Speaker 2: take it.

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Speaker 7: Up with you.

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Speaker 20: Some companies actually can'tlate that's actually cheaper to drill in

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01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:29,560
Speaker 20: outer space for fuel and oxygen. And again what we

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01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 20: see in is NASA might have very big, a very

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Speaker 20: big budget to pull off their operations and outer space,

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Speaker 20: but companies can do it at a much cheaper cost.

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01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 20: And we see that again and again again. And also

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Speaker 20: what we see astrophysicists foreseeing is that the first trillionaire

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Speaker 20: trillionaire will be from actually asteroid mining. So again what

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Speaker 20: we see companies here are being very very innovative in

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Speaker 20: achieving these goals and at a kind of a low

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Speaker 20: cost rate comparison to state operations.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Hey, thank you very much for talking us through

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Speaker 2: at Anna Marie Brennan, who is the way Cuttle University

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Speaker 2: Senior law lecturer. A twenty away from seven. There is

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Speaker 2: drama over and over in Australia about the Iranian football team,

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Speaker 2: the women's football team, because they've lost their final game

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Speaker 2: of the Women's Asia Cup and they due to go

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Speaker 2: back to a run. No one knows when they do

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Speaker 2: to go back to a run, but there is an

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Speaker 2: increasing concern that when they do, they are going to

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01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 2: be in a huge amount of trouble because they refuse

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Speaker 2: to sing their national anthem before their first game and

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Speaker 2: people back in a run that the state broadcasters started

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Speaker 2: calling for them to to be dealt to as a

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Speaker 2: result of that, so there are now calls for the

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Speaker 2: Australian government to offer them asylum. At this stage it

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Speaker 2: hasn't been offered. To keep an eye on that because

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Speaker 2: they be it may be something that happens there, just

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Speaker 2: on something else altogether. Over the weekend I was reading

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Speaker 2: the international papers. I thought, this is an interesting perspective

1845
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 2: because at the moment, everybody that you read talking about

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01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 2: the weight loss jabs. You know, the wire go VI

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Speaker 2: and the ozempic and the various others that you get

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Speaker 2: from other other companies and whatnot. Everybody is just universally

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01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 2: excited about it, like it is an enormous game and changer,

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Speaker 2: except for this one guy who is UK's Chief Medical Officer,

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Speaker 2: Professor Sir Chris Whitty. He says relying on the drugs

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01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 2: to get us out of a hole was a socially

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01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 2: acceptable answer, but it was unacceptable as far as he

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Speaker 2: was concerned, because he said they're needed for a small minority,

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01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 2: but if they were taken by a high proportion of

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Speaker 2: the population, particularly in areas of deprivation, not in areas

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Speaker 2: of affluence, I think that is a societal failure and

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01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 2: just relying on the drugs to me, seems the wrong answer.

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Speaker 2: And what he seems to be particularly concerned about is

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Speaker 2: that there's a whole group of people just letting their

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Speaker 2: kids get fat and just not concerned about it because

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01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 2: they're like, it's okay, they'll get to eighteen and they

1863
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 2: can jab themselves, as if that's going to be the solution.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't think that that's an acceptable way of dealing

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Speaker 2: with obesity at all. Eighteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Ever's to do with money. It matters to you the

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Speaker 1: business hour with head they duper c Allen and Mas

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Speaker 1: Insurance and investments with your futures in good hands US talks.

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Speaker 2: I'd be whether it is astronomically expensive. It is impractical

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Speaker 2: to escape Earth's gravity, so sourcing fuel and water in

1871
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 2: space is one hundred percent the way to go. Well,

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01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 2: that's the argument for it. But the argument against it

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01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,600
Speaker 2: is that it is just so enormously expensive to do

1874
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Speaker 2: any of the stuff on Earth. Try sending a rocket

1875
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Speaker 2: up to space to try and do it. It just

1876
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 2: raises the price. Listen, and it's being reported that acid

1877
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 2: rain is falling into run because of the fuel depot fires.

1878
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Speaker 2: So there are about three fires I saw at last count,

1879
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Speaker 2: sparked by some Israeli strikes and as a result, it's

1880
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 2: turn the rain a bit yucked for the people there.

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Speaker 2: Call it to seven. Gavin Gray are UK correspondence with US. Hello, Gavin,

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Speaker 2: So after the chat on the phone, how are things

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Speaker 2: between Sir Kia and Donald Trump?

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Speaker 10: I don't think they're very much better. We don't know

1885
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Speaker 10: really the content of the call. I would love to

1886
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 10: have been listening in, that's for sure. I'm sure lots

1887
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,600
Speaker 10: of advisors to our Prime Minister were listening in this

1888
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,799
Speaker 10: is the first call, the first time that two leaders

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Speaker 10: Trump and Starmer has spoken since the very growing and

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01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,719
Speaker 10: rather nasty spat has developed between them. I say developed

1891
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Speaker 10: between them. Really it's the US President angrily criticizing the

1892
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Speaker 10: UK's Iran response, rather than Sekir Starmer responding with anything

1893
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 10: offensive or rather objectionable his way. So it has been

1894
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 10: rather one way traffic. But we learn from Downing Street

1895
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 10: the pair have had a phone call and this was

1896
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 10: the very short, terse statement. The leaders began by discussing

1897
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 10: the latest situation in the Middle East and the military

1898
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 10: cooperation between the UK and US through the use of

1899
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 10: RAF basis in support of the collective to self defense

1900
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Speaker 10: of partners. The Prime Minister also shared his heartfelt condolence

1901
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 10: with President Trump following the death of six US soldiers.

1902
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 10: They looked forward to speaking again soon. In other words,

1903
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 10: I imagine there's an awful lot of content in there

1904
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 10: that we simply don't know, and I can't imagine that

1905
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 10: it was particularly pleasant call fought Sekir Starmer, with his

1906
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:05,599
Speaker 10: ear being bent as it were by President Trump. Either way,

1907
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 10: the UK is said to be considering sending an air

1908
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:12,839
Speaker 10: force an aircraft carrier rather to the region to strengthen

1909
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 10: its defenses there, and this ship that's supposed to be

1910
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 10: going to protect Cyprus still hasn't left port. A rather

1911
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 10: embarrassing thing, I think for the UK, which makes it

1912
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Speaker 10: look rather unprepared.

1913
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Speaker 2: Do we ye'd have any understanding as to why it

1914
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Speaker 2: is that various members of Sirkis Stamer's cabinet felt it

1915
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Speaker 2: was necessary to say no to that US request.

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Speaker 10: I think that it was something as well that Sekir

1917
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Speaker 10: Starmer felt strongly about, and that is that this should

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Speaker 10: have gone to be discussed whether it's legal under international

1919
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 10: law or not. He hasn't said it isn't within international law,

1920
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 10: but obviously by not saying that refusing to answer it,

1921
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 10: he feels it is. This is a man who is

1922
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:58,600
Speaker 10: a lawyer by trade and he wants everything to be

1923
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 10: done by the book. It's quite clear that they don't

1924
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 10: believe this is done by the book. He said, we

1925
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 10: don't believe in regime change from the skies, I think

1926
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 10: is his most telling phrase. And after all the sort

1927
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 10: of various words that have been said in anger and

1928
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 10: opposition MPs and MPs from his own party having a

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Speaker 10: bit of a go at him, I think if you're

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Speaker 10: squashed between these very tough decisions. Most recently, the former

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Speaker 10: Labor Prime Minister, in other words, from the same party

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Speaker 10: Sek Sir Tony Blair, who led the UK into the

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Speaker 10: Iraq War in two thousand and three, has been telling

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Speaker 10: people privately that the UK should have backed the strikes

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Speaker 10: from the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Now, what do we know about the some

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Speaker 2: terrorism in Oslo?

1938
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 10: Well, we don't have it one hundred percent confirmed, but

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Speaker 10: overnight at the weekend the Norwegian capital embassy building, the

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Speaker 10: US embassy building, sustained minor damage after an explosion in

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Speaker 10: the early hours of Sunday.

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Speaker 3: No one was injured.

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Speaker 10: The Norwegian authorities say they're in contact with the US

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Speaker 10: diplomats and investigation is underway. US diplomats, though have not commented.

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Speaker 10: It is the second attack that we know about on

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Speaker 10: an US embassy another one was in Iraq. But they

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Speaker 10: do believe, yep, this could have been an act of terrorism.

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Speaker 10: That's one of the lines of the investigation they're working on,

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Speaker 10: and they're asking for anyone with information to come forward.

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Speaker 2: And what's the spire in Glasgow?

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Speaker 10: Huge, absolutely huge and to an iconic building. It's very,

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Speaker 10: very sad because really it's it's partially collapsed and I

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Speaker 10: think it's going to be pretty much unusable now. The

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Speaker 10: fire started in a vape shop on Sunday afternoon, with

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Speaker 10: the iconic and Victorian building of the Glasgow Central Station

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Speaker 10: next to it, and after a few hours in the flames,

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Speaker 10: much of that building has collapsed. Now is Scotland's busiest

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Speaker 10: train station and now all trains to and from that

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Speaker 10: what's called the High Level there have been canceled and

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Speaker 10: will be closed. The station will be closed until further noticed.

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Speaker 10: So this is going to cause massive disruption. Many people

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Speaker 10: are being told the best way really to get anywhere

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Speaker 10: by train, particularly back down south into England, is probably

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Speaker 10: to go across to Edinburgh and then down. It's that

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Speaker 10: lad at least an hour onto their journey. It's also

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Speaker 10: a very long way round.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you very much, Gavin. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 2: in a couple of days. Devin Gray, our UK correspondent.

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Speaker 2: Keep an eye out for what's going to happen in

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Speaker 2: the Australian budget with what they're calling intergenerational fairness. I

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Speaker 2: think this is going to shape up to be potentially

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Speaker 2: quite interesting. Over in the this Cidy Morning Herald is

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Speaker 2: carrying a piece at the moment talking about basically how

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Speaker 2: much wealth baby boomers have. They are obviously the wealthiest

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Speaker 2: generation in Australia and you could probably say the same

1976
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Speaker 2: for in New Zealand. In Australia, they have their collective

1977
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Speaker 2: wealth now sitting at nearly six trillion dollars. It's gone

1978
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Speaker 2: up by eight hundred and forty percent since two thousand

1979
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Speaker 2: and two. They now control almost a third of national wealth,

1980
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Speaker 2: while the economic share of every other generation has fallen.

1981
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Speaker 2: While baby boomers hold three trillion dollars in property with

1982
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Speaker 2: virtually no debt, gen X's carrier staggering nine hundred billion

1983
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Speaker 2: dollars in debt for the same level of property that

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Speaker 2: they hold. Why two thousand and two is important is

1985
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 2: because at two thousand and two what happened well, I

1986
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 2: mean that's basically where they win their earning capacity and

1987
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,799
Speaker 2: the height of their earning In their forties and fifties,

1988
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Speaker 2: they had about twenty six point seven percent of the

1989
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 2: wealth that's now gone up to, as I said, about

1990
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Speaker 2: a third because when they started retiring around about twenty

1991
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Speaker 2: eleven or thereabouts, that's when global interest rates went down

1992
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 2: property and equity markets went up, and so whatever they

1993
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Speaker 2: were owning just got more and more valuable, I suppose. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: as a result, the Treasurer, Jim Chalmers says while he's

1995
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Speaker 2: preparing the federal budget that he's going to deal with

1996
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Speaker 2: intergenerational fairness and quite what that looks like will be

1997
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Speaker 2: the fascinating thing. Eight away from seven It's.

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Speaker 3: The Heather Top.

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Speaker 1: See Alan Drive Full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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Speaker 1: Newstalk ZB here the come on, don't.

2001
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Speaker 2: Chap me and the fat the loose fat jabs destroys

2002
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Speaker 2: the bone density, deletes the muscle mass, deteriorates the eye sight.

2003
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 2: Maybe so, but it makes everybody look super hot. So

2004
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 2: you know, no pay, no gain, whatever people do, whatever.

2005
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Speaker 2: I'm not I'm making this.

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Speaker 26: This is not constitute health.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not health advice. And I'm also making it

2008
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 2: sound like I'm on the fat jab, which I'm not.

2009
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Speaker 2: It's contestifying to otherwise I'd be half the size of

2010
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 2: what I am. I just am excited for other people

2011
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Speaker 2: who have this as an option. Anyway, Listen, everyone's favorite

2012
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Speaker 2: cute little actor, Timothy Shallows and hot Water. I don't

2013
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Speaker 2: know if you've seen this over the weekend. He said,

2014
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Speaker 2: no one cares about ballet and opera while he was

2015
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Speaker 2: talking to somebody else and some chat thing, and here

2016
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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 14: And I don't want to be working in ballet or

2018
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Speaker 14: opera or you know things where it's like, hey.

2019
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Speaker 11: Keep this thing alive, even though cares about the ill

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Speaker 11: respect to the ballet and opera people.

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Speaker 14: I just lost fourteen cents in viewership.

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Speaker 2: But so it blew up because j Lee Curtis went

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Speaker 2: on and stand she told him off, and then a

2024
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Speaker 2: British designer went on and told him off, and then

2025
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Speaker 2: Seattle Opera started offering discount tickets to people who use

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01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 2: the promotional code Timothy. And you know he's probably freaking out.

2027
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Speaker 2: But is he wrong? Is he wrong? If we here's

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Speaker 2: the test. If we pulled all public funding, like taxpayer

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Speaker 2: money for the ballet, I don't even know. If we

2030
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Speaker 2: give money to the opera, we'd probably do. But if

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01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 2: we pulled all public money from the ballet and the opera,

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Speaker 2: would it survive without it?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 2: So I think Timothy's right.

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Speaker 26: Hence Chains of Love by Charlie XCX to play us

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Speaker 26: out tonight. If Timothy gets canceled by this in this

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Speaker 26: space in Hollywood for a new star. I think Charlie

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Speaker 26: XCX is pretty keen to be it. She said she

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Speaker 26: wants to maybe quit music and act. She's been doing

2040
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 26: a few music projects movie projects. Rather recently. She the

2041
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Speaker 26: song she did for the Wuthering Heights movie that has

2042
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 26: recently came out, and she's doing some music for a

2043
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 26: different horror movie. And she said, yeah, I'm really keen

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Speaker 26: to get more into movies and to be thing. To her,

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Speaker 26: she now released six albums, so I can see how

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01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 26: you'd probably at that point in your career, maybe you

2047
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 26: want to do more movies and stuff instead. But who knows.

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Speaker 26: Celebrities are always saying stuff like this, So who knows.

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Speaker 2: Whether have we ever seen Have we seen her act?

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Speaker 26: I certainly haven't. I don't know whether because she's mostly

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Speaker 26: done the music for movies, I don't know if she's

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Speaker 26: actually appeared.

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Speaker 2: And always worry about that. I'm always like, mate, you

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Speaker 2: don't know how good you've got it. Just be grateful

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Speaker 2: for what you've got. And then they go and throw

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Speaker 2: it all the way.

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Speaker 26: And it was glad to me. For your worst case,

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Speaker 26: they can just go back and make more music, right, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's I mean, look, you got ants you are. You

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Speaker 2: are very bright, bright and sunny today, aren't you with

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Speaker 2: this supers?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, no, here we go.

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Speaker 26: I'm joining just indutrition and everything.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, all right. We'll see you tomorrow

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Speaker 2: for the old Royal Commission of Inquiry. That'll be interesting.

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Speaker 2: There's talks it BA.

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