WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 193: Celebrating Santner's success 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:12.013 You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said b. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:15.213 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 0:00:15.333 --> 0:00:22.013 iHeartRadio and take it on the pad. 0:00:22.093 --> 0:00:24.133 Now we don't get in. It's a trick. 0:00:24.733 --> 0:00:30.893 It is out. The test is over. Goodness, smooth, beauty, 0:00:30.933 --> 0:00:33.013 it is out and here he goes. 0:00:33.133 --> 0:00:35.053 This delivery has a new uses. 0:00:34.933 --> 0:00:35.613 To bowl. 0:00:37.773 --> 0:00:41.173 On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody 0:00:41.493 --> 0:00:45.373 powered by news Talk, said B at iHeart Radio. 0:00:47.893 --> 0:00:50.133 Hello, nice to have you on the front foot again. 0:00:50.413 --> 0:00:53.293 History repeats itself for the black Caps on the Subcompany 0:00:53.813 --> 0:00:57.013 thirty six years without a wound, then two in one 0:00:57.093 --> 0:01:01.453 week certainly becomes the latest spin thread against players who 0:01:01.853 --> 0:01:04.693 seemingly are reared from a young age on a diet 0:01:04.693 --> 0:01:07.893 of spin bowling. Our white Ferns match the black Caps 0:01:07.893 --> 0:01:11.533 if it were one day whining Adabad. Unfortunately they couldn't 0:01:11.533 --> 0:01:14.453 pull a victory off to win the series. And it 0:01:14.493 --> 0:01:20.173 appears beswell doesn't always work when backing on it, Bunsen Burner, Well, 0:01:20.253 --> 0:01:24.293 I've guaranteed a way for New Zealand to win the 0:01:24.333 --> 0:01:27.813 third Test match. Peter Holland and Jeremy Kenney with me. 0:01:28.133 --> 0:01:31.613 I've decided to pick India. 0:01:32.453 --> 0:01:36.893 What chances have they got now? Surely? I mean a 0:01:37.053 --> 0:01:37.813 cresting away. 0:01:38.453 --> 0:01:42.573 Could you imagine? And we can put the rugby scenario 0:01:42.613 --> 0:01:47.253 in here. If the All Blacks had lost twice to India, 0:01:48.173 --> 0:01:50.533 what would be going on here? The post mortems in 0:01:50.573 --> 0:01:53.413 this guy, you know, I mean the dark shroud would 0:01:53.413 --> 0:01:54.853 be all over New Zealand, wouldn't it. 0:01:56.253 --> 0:02:00.973 I read a comment from Robert Chalmer that they weren't 0:02:00.973 --> 0:02:05.573 going to do too much on post mortems. Maybe less 0:02:05.653 --> 0:02:08.853 said was the better. I don't know. I mean, where 0:02:08.853 --> 0:02:10.453 do you go with you? A few of them? I 0:02:10.493 --> 0:02:13.973 mean my impression about this series was this was a 0:02:14.013 --> 0:02:18.493 warm up for their upcoming series against Australia. I mean 0:02:18.493 --> 0:02:19.733 that's where their focus was. 0:02:20.333 --> 0:02:22.853 Well, I think the interesting comment I heard Jerry and 0:02:23.533 --> 0:02:26.653 we'll give them as Joe gary Stead's had some criticism, 0:02:27.333 --> 0:02:29.653 but the one comment that he made that I thought 0:02:29.933 --> 0:02:33.333 really covered well, we played better than them. And I 0:02:33.333 --> 0:02:34.813 think that's simply the case, isn't it? 0:02:35.173 --> 0:02:39.053 Absolutely? And I think the important the point that you make. 0:02:40.773 --> 0:02:44.373 There will be bemused people around New Zealand who follow cricket, 0:02:44.373 --> 0:02:46.733 won't they. Let's be honest about that. If you look 0:02:46.853 --> 0:02:51.573 beyond what happened on the field of plays. Then it's 0:02:51.693 --> 0:02:55.453 very difficult to explain rationally how and why. 0:02:55.333 --> 0:02:56.293 New Zealand did this. 0:02:57.013 --> 0:02:59.493 You appear into history and you see thirty six years 0:02:59.573 --> 0:03:02.773 and something or the other last win and a million 0:03:02.853 --> 0:03:05.733 years since playing in India and there's no series win. 0:03:05.653 --> 0:03:08.333 And how many series has it been at home since? 0:03:08.413 --> 0:03:11.813 Anybody has beaten them, even the well resourced teams, let 0:03:11.853 --> 0:03:15.573 alone New Zealand. You know, teams like yeah, just with 0:03:15.693 --> 0:03:20.013 money and large populations who have cricket and their culture, 0:03:20.053 --> 0:03:23.613 lots of players to choose from you you can recreate 0:03:23.813 --> 0:03:28.213 practices that are like Indian conditions and the best coaches 0:03:28.253 --> 0:03:31.493 and it goes on, doesn't it. You know, other Asian 0:03:31.613 --> 0:03:35.373 teams and there's not much there to really say New 0:03:35.453 --> 0:03:39.293 Zealand you're in with a series win, throwing their moderate 0:03:39.333 --> 0:03:46.453 recent results. There's no real rational answer. And yet once 0:03:46.453 --> 0:03:49.493 you start looking on the field of play, we have 0:03:49.653 --> 0:03:53.893 played better and we should embrace that. That doesn't mean 0:03:53.933 --> 0:03:56.893 it lasts, but it means for the last two games 0:03:57.133 --> 0:03:59.973 we've been the better side. I mean that first Test 0:04:00.013 --> 0:04:04.293 win Bengaluru, I thought, okay, we had a weaver of 0:04:04.413 --> 0:04:07.373 luck didn't we with the you know, having a bowl 0:04:07.453 --> 0:04:10.973 first and our can ditions and then we grabbed it. 0:04:11.773 --> 0:04:15.533 Bowlers did their job, we caught, we bought much better 0:04:15.573 --> 0:04:18.533 than we have recently, and you know, and we all know. 0:04:18.613 --> 0:04:20.893 The game just carried on and India played a bit 0:04:20.893 --> 0:04:23.973 better in the third innings, but then we came back 0:04:24.013 --> 0:04:26.773 with a second new ball and got the runs in 0:04:26.853 --> 0:04:27.853 the last innings. 0:04:28.093 --> 0:04:28.333 Here. 0:04:29.173 --> 0:04:31.253 I don't know what you guys thought. I thought this 0:04:31.413 --> 0:04:34.453 was even a better win. It's the second Test. 0:04:35.093 --> 0:04:39.973 And done with spin, which is something unusual for New Zealand. 0:04:40.133 --> 0:04:44.133 Let's just talk about spin firstly. Well, Mitchell Senter may 0:04:44.213 --> 0:04:49.053 come across as mister coole laid back is an understatement, 0:04:49.373 --> 0:04:52.733 but he's realistic about the progress of his Test career 0:04:53.133 --> 0:04:56.933 and he seems to enjoy his best performance with the ball. 0:04:57.053 --> 0:04:57.773 Why wouldn't you. 0:04:58.213 --> 0:05:02.533 It's obviously pretty pleasing. Yeah, I guess Test career for 0:05:02.613 --> 0:05:04.333 me he has been I kind of in and out 0:05:04.333 --> 0:05:08.453 and you know, I guess to get these conditions over 0:05:08.533 --> 0:05:10.933 here and put in a I guess a shift like 0:05:10.973 --> 0:05:14.453 that is pretty pleasing. But I guess to to do 0:05:14.533 --> 0:05:17.053 it against India and I guess kind of beat them 0:05:17.053 --> 0:05:19.253 at their own game. I guess that was the most 0:05:19.293 --> 0:05:22.853 pleasing thing for for us in that second Test anyway. Yeah, 0:05:23.133 --> 0:05:25.373 I think like I think after the first Test, you know, 0:05:25.453 --> 0:05:28.453 we we thought, you know, it was obviously a massive 0:05:28.453 --> 0:05:30.693 achievement and we kind of had, you know, conditions that 0:05:30.773 --> 0:05:33.573 were I guess suited to us in that kind of 0:05:33.573 --> 0:05:35.373 first innings with the ball, and you know, I guess 0:05:35.373 --> 0:05:37.893 we made the most of it. And and then I 0:05:37.893 --> 0:05:39.373 guess coming here, we knew that it was going to 0:05:39.453 --> 0:05:42.853 be a different challenge altogether, you know, a classic kind 0:05:42.853 --> 0:05:45.253 of Indian track where it'd be slow and you know, 0:05:45.813 --> 0:05:48.773 take some turn later on and I guess to to 0:05:48.853 --> 0:05:51.173 do that and putting you know, a good shift over 0:05:51.213 --> 0:05:54.133 those three days. And you know, I guess the kind 0:05:54.173 --> 0:05:56.093 of way we went about it, especially with the bat, 0:05:56.133 --> 0:05:59.853 we kind of wanted to fire some shots at them 0:05:59.893 --> 0:06:01.773 and show that intent with the bat, and you know 0:06:01.813 --> 0:06:03.853 that kind of you know, put us in such a 0:06:03.853 --> 0:06:06.613 good position, especially if that first innings to so I 0:06:06.653 --> 0:06:09.413 guess to try to squeeze them and take wickets. So 0:06:10.173 --> 0:06:12.733 you know, I guess to do that against them. You know, 0:06:13.173 --> 0:06:14.893 you know what they kind of do to everyone else 0:06:15.013 --> 0:06:16.333 was the most pleasing thing. 0:06:16.573 --> 0:06:18.813 Can you put your finger on the reason for success? 0:06:19.213 --> 0:06:21.653 Yeah, I guess we had a lot of chats, you know, 0:06:21.693 --> 0:06:25.013 as a spin unit. You know, we felt India may 0:06:25.013 --> 0:06:27.613 have bowled a little bit quickly in their first innings, 0:06:28.733 --> 0:06:30.453 and I guess it was really skidding on and we 0:06:30.493 --> 0:06:33.573 tried to I think once we saw kind of Washington 0:06:33.773 --> 0:06:36.293 and Ashvin slow it up a touch kind of under 0:06:36.293 --> 0:06:39.693 that you know, ninety Klimeter mark. You know, it started 0:06:39.733 --> 0:06:42.173 to take some turns, so we kind of wanted to 0:06:42.293 --> 0:06:44.333 kind of make that our stock and kind of go 0:06:44.413 --> 0:06:46.613 either way from there. And I guess on a pitch 0:06:46.693 --> 0:06:50.013 where not necessarily doing anything different, but one will skin 0:06:50.053 --> 0:06:52.533 and one will spin, it just becomes an accuracy thing. 0:06:52.933 --> 0:06:54.653 And that's all we try to do is just be accurate. 0:06:55.573 --> 0:06:58.213 One hopefully spins and they nicke it or one skids 0:06:58.213 --> 0:06:59.493 and it hits them in the pad, And you know, 0:06:59.493 --> 0:07:02.573 I guess that's what the mode of the dismissal was 0:07:02.653 --> 0:07:05.373 throughout the whole test was either bold alb or nikops. 0:07:05.533 --> 0:07:07.653 Did the pitch preparation backfire on them? 0:07:07.733 --> 0:07:10.413 Yeah, I think it's it's it's an interesting one because 0:07:10.413 --> 0:07:12.453 I think they have been so successful at doing that 0:07:12.493 --> 0:07:14.653 for a long period of time, and I think you know, 0:07:14.693 --> 0:07:18.173 we obviously as a spin unit, you know, back ourselves 0:07:18.173 --> 0:07:20.773 when it is spinning. But you know, you've got three 0:07:20.813 --> 0:07:23.573 world classmanners and their team that do very similar job 0:07:23.613 --> 0:07:23.933 as well. 0:07:23.973 --> 0:07:25.453 So I think we. 0:07:25.813 --> 0:07:27.493 Kind of knew that coming here that it might be 0:07:27.693 --> 0:07:30.733 you know, more traditional Indian wicket where you know, I 0:07:30.733 --> 0:07:33.773 guess they're trying to negate the bounce first of all 0:07:33.813 --> 0:07:37.173 from you know, our big seamers. So that's I think 0:07:37.213 --> 0:07:39.933 that's what's most pleasing about. I guess this one as 0:07:39.973 --> 0:07:42.933 we kind of beat them at their own game, you know, Bangalore, 0:07:42.933 --> 0:07:44.653 we kind of got the best of condition, especially at 0:07:44.693 --> 0:07:46.853 the start, and but then after that it was it 0:07:46.893 --> 0:07:49.413 was a grind. And then coming here, you know, we 0:07:49.573 --> 0:07:52.693 kind of outspun them and out kind of played them 0:07:52.693 --> 0:07:54.213 in their own conditions. 0:07:54.493 --> 0:07:57.533 Were you're expecting the kind of aggression they came with 0:07:57.973 --> 0:07:59.053 at the top of the order. 0:08:00.053 --> 0:08:03.493 Yeah, I think it's still probably the best you know, 0:08:03.573 --> 0:08:05.853 attack on on on these wickets we knew, I think 0:08:05.853 --> 0:08:08.053 they knew, especially the new balls, probably the best time, 0:08:09.373 --> 0:08:11.613 you know, it's about especially like the seams were setting 0:08:11.653 --> 0:08:13.493 on even with the spin, it was more skiddy, and 0:08:13.493 --> 0:08:15.173 then when the ball gets still about that at fifteen 0:08:15.213 --> 0:08:17.493 twenty hour years old, it starts to take a bit 0:08:17.533 --> 0:08:18.053 more turns. 0:08:18.093 --> 0:08:20.253 I think they knew that if they. 0:08:20.133 --> 0:08:22.693 Could, you know, be aggressive and fire some shots, you know, 0:08:22.733 --> 0:08:24.733 put us on the back foot, maybe get some sweepers 0:08:24.773 --> 0:08:27.733 out less been around the bad and try you know, 0:08:27.893 --> 0:08:31.053 rotate from there. But I think we knew with you know, 0:08:31.093 --> 0:08:33.333 the score, we had it. You know, even if there 0:08:33.413 --> 0:08:35.693 was a partnership, it can change very quickly over here. 0:08:35.733 --> 0:08:37.453 And you know, I think it even showed, you know 0:08:37.933 --> 0:08:40.213 yesterday where you know, I think they're flying and then 0:08:40.253 --> 0:08:41.933 you kind of get one, you get two, and you 0:08:41.933 --> 0:08:45.013 can kind of start to squeeze again, and you know 0:08:45.013 --> 0:08:46.453 it might have been different if you know, it might 0:08:46.493 --> 0:08:48.133 have been only a two fifty kind of run lead. 0:08:48.253 --> 0:08:51.013 But yeah, pretty happy to have you know, through fifty 0:08:51.053 --> 0:08:51.413 to bowl it. 0:08:52.293 --> 0:08:55.973 How important has Rangana here? I've been to the bowling lineup. 0:08:56.733 --> 0:08:59.053 Yeah, he's been, he's been, he's been outstanding. To be fair, 0:09:01.013 --> 0:09:03.173 you know, he's he's obviously done it for a long 0:09:03.213 --> 0:09:07.533 time and you know he's obviously a world class left uspinner. 0:09:07.573 --> 0:09:09.573 So I think, you know, you can get the likes 0:09:09.573 --> 0:09:11.973 of these guys coming in and helping him, you know, 0:09:12.053 --> 0:09:15.293 in similar conditions to what they've bowled their whole careers. 0:09:15.333 --> 0:09:18.453 And so, you know, rang And I was one of 0:09:18.453 --> 0:09:20.573 the best that you know, has kind of subtle changes 0:09:20.613 --> 0:09:23.053 of pace, but just landing it on the same spot 0:09:23.453 --> 0:09:25.653 time and time again, and that's you know, that's kind 0:09:25.653 --> 0:09:27.893 of the blueprint of what you need to do over here. 0:09:29.653 --> 0:09:30.973 I think in the past we've come here and just 0:09:31.013 --> 0:09:34.493 tried to bold fast into it, and you know, I 0:09:34.533 --> 0:09:36.693 think the other day there was there was times we 0:09:37.133 --> 0:09:39.933 kind of slowed up and then you know, go back 0:09:39.973 --> 0:09:41.733 to kind of buying fast. I think, you know, rang 0:09:41.773 --> 0:09:44.653 And has been he's been outstanding and just trying to 0:09:45.013 --> 0:09:47.813 keep it very simple for us. I know the guys 0:09:47.813 --> 0:09:50.493 have personally enjoyed him as well. 0:09:52.133 --> 0:09:55.093 Does he offer changes that you can make or is 0:09:55.133 --> 0:09:56.813 he just reinforcing what you do? 0:09:58.973 --> 0:10:01.533 I think he's you know, he's first of all, he 0:10:01.653 --> 0:10:04.173 kind of came in and just was kind of reinforcing. 0:10:04.173 --> 0:10:06.733 And I think you know, there's you know over here, 0:10:07.573 --> 0:10:10.733 I guess the subtle changes and field and you know, 0:10:10.973 --> 0:10:13.613 different angles on the crease, you know, just to trying 0:10:13.653 --> 0:10:17.293 to change kind of the batsman's approach. We speak about 0:10:17.333 --> 0:10:20.853 trying to get you know, mid creast to wide and 0:10:21.013 --> 0:10:23.813 kind of vary you know, the release points on on 0:10:23.853 --> 0:10:25.853 the crease and you know, just kind of having those 0:10:25.893 --> 0:10:28.973 in outfields where over here it's you know, it's massive. 0:10:29.133 --> 0:10:30.813 I think if you have every rue up, it's almost 0:10:30.813 --> 0:10:33.173 an easy shot to bail out and hit over the top. 0:10:33.213 --> 0:10:35.893 So it's kind of different catches in different spots with 0:10:35.973 --> 0:10:38.813 you know, a few men back, and you know he's 0:10:38.853 --> 0:10:40.773 he obviously did that for a long time in his career. 0:10:42.133 --> 0:10:44.853 It seems from watching you bowl that's something important to 0:10:45.013 --> 0:10:48.693 your style. The use of the crease and those changes 0:10:48.893 --> 0:10:51.973 and the changes of pace seem to have been significant 0:10:52.013 --> 0:10:54.653 in terms of we see the pace bowling on the screen. 0:10:56.133 --> 0:11:00.213 How effective have you found that in those conditions, the 0:11:00.613 --> 0:11:02.493 subtle changes that you talk about. 0:11:04.293 --> 0:11:05.013 Yeah, I think. 0:11:06.733 --> 0:11:09.093 I think, I guess, depending on the bat in the surface, 0:11:09.173 --> 0:11:11.253 I think i'd intentionally try to slow it up a 0:11:11.293 --> 0:11:14.853 little bit to star for us, you know, because he's 0:11:14.933 --> 0:11:18.133 very good at sweeping and those kind of square shots. 0:11:18.173 --> 0:11:19.853 So I think, you know, taking the pace off and 0:11:19.893 --> 0:11:23.413 I think might have been a little bit greedy at times. 0:11:23.533 --> 0:11:26.093 Probably don't need a bowl seventy three seventy five, but 0:11:26.213 --> 0:11:28.373 it's probably you know, kind of between the eighty and 0:11:28.453 --> 0:11:33.173 kind of low a's to kind of high. 0:11:32.253 --> 0:11:34.533 Or maybe early nineties is probably the ideal. 0:11:34.573 --> 0:11:37.493 But I think, you know, depending on the surface, if 0:11:37.493 --> 0:11:40.293 it is kind of going all the time, you kind 0:11:40.293 --> 0:11:42.333 of all fast into it one or scared one will spin. 0:11:42.413 --> 0:11:45.133 But I think there's a period there, especially in our 0:11:45.333 --> 0:11:47.813 kind of first things, where when you went over the 0:11:47.813 --> 0:11:49.773 top more you actually got a lot more balance in it. 0:11:49.773 --> 0:11:52.333 It looked challenging to play the crossbat shot. So I 0:11:52.333 --> 0:11:54.253 think you know, we just we kind of speak about 0:11:54.293 --> 0:11:56.853 that as a as a unit. Is you know, what's 0:11:57.053 --> 0:11:59.333 probably the best ball on that surface and what's the 0:11:59.373 --> 0:12:01.133 ideal pace and try to go from there. 0:12:02.493 --> 0:12:04.613 You got the ball to rip a few times. Are 0:12:04.613 --> 0:12:07.613 you trying to turn the ball more, get ribs more 0:12:07.693 --> 0:12:10.213 ribs on the ball, or are you sticking with what 0:12:10.333 --> 0:12:12.453 you've had in the path and the you know, the 0:12:12.533 --> 0:12:14.133 tried and true that has been successful at. 0:12:14.093 --> 0:12:16.933 Times over here. It's kind of an interesting one. 0:12:16.933 --> 0:12:19.413 I think sometimes the more you put on it doesn't 0:12:19.453 --> 0:12:22.653 necessarily mean it the more it's going to spin. But 0:12:22.893 --> 0:12:25.453 you know, we think Obviously, the accuracy is such an 0:12:25.453 --> 0:12:27.533 important piece in this. I think we found that in 0:12:27.493 --> 0:12:31.253 Sri Lanka, where it was more the kind of angle 0:12:31.293 --> 0:12:34.733 of the seam was probably more important, you know, that 0:12:34.813 --> 0:12:37.213 kind of traditional forty five over the top. In Sri Lanka, 0:12:37.613 --> 0:12:40.373 I think it's more that kind of under kind of 0:12:40.453 --> 0:12:42.413 side spin where one might you know, hit the leather 0:12:42.453 --> 0:12:43.973 and skired and one might hit the corner of the 0:12:43.973 --> 0:12:45.773 seaman go. So that's what we kind of talked about 0:12:45.813 --> 0:12:48.693 here was obviously trying to put it in a good 0:12:48.733 --> 0:12:50.773 area with with revs on it, but trying to make 0:12:50.773 --> 0:12:53.093 sure that seems in a good position where it can 0:12:53.213 --> 0:12:54.933 kind of go and also scared. 0:12:55.373 --> 0:12:58.613 And as obviously as a better that's that's obviously a very. 0:13:00.053 --> 0:13:03.013 Challenging aspect if one spins and you kind of think 0:13:03.053 --> 0:13:04.813 they might spin, and then one will just shooting hit 0:13:04.853 --> 0:13:07.053 you in the pad. So it might look bad on TV, 0:13:07.173 --> 0:13:09.173 but it's probably the setup where the one spin and 0:13:09.173 --> 0:13:10.053 then you get hitting the pad. 0:13:10.173 --> 0:13:13.973 After that you played it on Katie before. Is there 0:13:14.013 --> 0:13:16.973 any expectation within the side that there's going to be 0:13:17.053 --> 0:13:20.373 some changes to the kind of pitch you're likely to face. 0:13:20.453 --> 0:13:23.213 Do you think that they'll be prepared to make adjustments 0:13:23.253 --> 0:13:25.413 because you've beating them in their conditions. 0:13:25.453 --> 0:13:29.133 As you said previously, Well, I think the original commns 0:13:29.133 --> 0:13:32.093 were to take the grass off of wan Ky as 0:13:32.093 --> 0:13:36.573 well before this game. But I still think, you know, 0:13:36.613 --> 0:13:40.253 that's probably the best best chance of still winning, and 0:13:40.293 --> 0:13:42.173 these conditions they're so good at that, you know, it 0:13:42.693 --> 0:13:46.813 makes the toss obviously quite important. But I think you 0:13:46.973 --> 0:13:50.093 usually wanky can get more balanced. It's kind of traditionally 0:13:50.133 --> 0:13:52.813 obviously red soil can go a little bit quicker and 0:13:53.053 --> 0:13:55.533 go a bit, you know, more of the bounce. So 0:13:55.573 --> 0:13:58.053 it might be more of that kind of New Zealand 0:13:58.093 --> 0:14:00.413 style bowling, kind of trying to get more balanced, more 0:14:00.413 --> 0:14:02.613 of the top, that kind of forty five degree scene. 0:14:02.693 --> 0:14:05.933 But I guess we'll wait and see you where another 0:14:05.933 --> 0:14:08.853 couple of days here and see what that pitch has 0:14:08.853 --> 0:14:10.133 got for us in a cold day's time. 0:14:10.613 --> 0:14:13.773 Was any one dismissal that gave you greater delight than 0:14:13.773 --> 0:14:14.173 any other? 0:14:14.973 --> 0:14:17.933 I guess it's always nice k cold out. Not The 0:14:17.933 --> 0:14:21.173 first thing was a bet full, but I think the 0:14:21.213 --> 0:14:24.693 second one was. I tried to kind of bowl on 0:14:24.693 --> 0:14:26.853 the seam and get a couple go away and then 0:14:27.053 --> 0:14:29.213 intentionally bowl across him to see if it would skid, 0:14:29.253 --> 0:14:32.093 and it kind of stayed down and gathered pace. That 0:14:32.173 --> 0:14:34.413 was that was quite pleasant. Yeah, I don't think he 0:14:34.453 --> 0:14:37.893 was happy with the umpire's call, but you know, obviously 0:14:37.933 --> 0:14:39.453 we were pretty happy because it was given out. 0:14:40.053 --> 0:14:41.333 But yeah, he's. 0:14:42.613 --> 0:14:45.493 We have good bans off the field as well, and 0:14:46.173 --> 0:14:47.733 you know, I know he's I've got him out a 0:14:47.773 --> 0:14:49.293 couple of times now and I think he's aware of that. 0:14:49.413 --> 0:14:52.293 Yeah, no reason why he shouldn't celebrate a wicket of 0:14:52.413 --> 0:14:57.093 a very colie and remind him of that. But it 0:14:57.133 --> 0:15:00.013 was it was quite strange that, as he said, we 0:15:00.133 --> 0:15:04.333 beat them at their own game, playing on spin. Perhaps 0:15:04.333 --> 0:15:07.613 they should have just settled for an ordinary pitch without 0:15:07.933 --> 0:15:12.053 trying to doctor at four spin bowling, which has been 0:15:12.093 --> 0:15:12.653 their strength. 0:15:13.373 --> 0:15:16.813 After the the first innings of New Zealand of two 0:15:16.813 --> 0:15:21.013 fifty nine, you would think to yourself that the that 0:15:21.093 --> 0:15:24.893 India would have gone to themselves well to fifty nine. Yeah, 0:15:25.013 --> 0:15:30.053 that's okay. The ordinary formula would have been India goes out, 0:15:30.173 --> 0:15:34.453 gets four hundred, leaves us a chase of to one 0:15:34.573 --> 0:15:37.893 fifty to two hundred to get. We fall short and 0:15:37.933 --> 0:15:40.653 they knocked the runs off. That's that's the well trodden route, 0:15:40.733 --> 0:15:46.173 isn't it The time's past. What happened was Saudi bowls 0:15:46.253 --> 0:15:49.773 Rowi Shama with an absolute little gem of a ball, 0:15:49.893 --> 0:15:53.293 beautiful ball, and he seems to be revital like just 0:15:53.333 --> 0:15:56.253 while I'm at it in terms of his demeanor in 0:15:56.293 --> 0:16:00.053 the field, great last catch. He bowled a couple of 0:16:00.053 --> 0:16:06.533 absolute beautiful balls. He knocked over Sharma and then there 0:16:06.573 --> 0:16:10.133 were certain the bowling out coally with the most perplexing 0:16:10.373 --> 0:16:13.613 sort of shot from Colie which was a push sweep 0:16:13.693 --> 0:16:17.933 half volleys an ordinary course Colie shit has belted it 0:16:17.973 --> 0:16:21.293 through the covers. That to me just stuck in my mind. 0:16:21.373 --> 0:16:24.253 And then at that point you were under pressure. 0:16:25.013 --> 0:16:28.013 Well he was just in two minds. I mean it 0:16:28.053 --> 0:16:30.533 was semi a full toss, wasn't it. It was half full 0:16:30.613 --> 0:16:35.093 toss and half dipping. And the bat path came from gully. 0:16:35.733 --> 0:16:38.013 He looked at if he wanted to mow it to Mumbai, 0:16:38.813 --> 0:16:42.133 and then he changed his mind and then wanted to 0:16:42.133 --> 0:16:47.413 go straight. How can Kali go out to a first 0:16:47.493 --> 0:16:51.173 ball in a Test match without playing wanting to play 0:16:51.173 --> 0:16:57.493 it straight? To get himself even vaguely in what's happening 0:16:57.533 --> 0:17:01.933 that he's caught between scuffing the ground and leaving the 0:17:02.013 --> 0:17:06.453 air and getting bold. I don't know what you guys think, 0:17:06.813 --> 0:17:11.093 but personally in today's tests, so I think qualities like 0:17:11.333 --> 0:17:15.733 patience and seeing a bowler off in the heat. You know, 0:17:15.813 --> 0:17:20.013 there's value sometimes in that because there's a danger. Perhaps 0:17:20.053 --> 0:17:22.413 you know he can go longer and he's getting the 0:17:22.413 --> 0:17:25.213 ball to do something or other. But to see somebody 0:17:25.253 --> 0:17:30.013 off is out of the whole idea nowadays. It seems 0:17:30.013 --> 0:17:35.173 to be an absorbing pressure from a bowler is not okay, 0:17:35.333 --> 0:17:37.213 because what you've got to do is put the pressure 0:17:37.253 --> 0:17:41.133 back on the bowling team. But that means a higher 0:17:41.173 --> 0:17:45.773 level of risk. So the value of staying in is 0:17:45.813 --> 0:17:51.253 not quite seen as a virtue nowadays. And I think certainly, 0:17:51.773 --> 0:17:56.693 you know from India, we are seeing you know, lots 0:17:56.693 --> 0:18:01.733 of players committing naturally enough to twenty twenty and it 0:18:01.813 --> 0:18:06.773 comes at a cost. Really, I think, I mean, why 0:18:06.813 --> 0:18:09.973 has it happened? We probably we all know it's not 0:18:10.013 --> 0:18:14.173 the player's fault. Really, Cricket boards now aren't just a 0:18:14.333 --> 0:18:18.293 guardian of the game where you put your arms around cricket. 0:18:18.853 --> 0:18:23.253 It's not that they have now become businesses, so they 0:18:23.733 --> 0:18:28.053 compete with broadcasting rights, and they want money to pay, 0:18:28.093 --> 0:18:30.813 and they seek money to pay players and all sorts 0:18:30.853 --> 0:18:36.413 of other things. And the players now I think their 0:18:36.453 --> 0:18:40.813 test skills are diminished because of that, and they let 0:18:41.373 --> 0:18:44.013 letting the ball go. No, they don't like to do 0:18:44.093 --> 0:18:48.293 that too much. Bat and paired together not quite so 0:18:48.333 --> 0:18:51.773 good at it. The shape above the ball, hitting the ball, 0:18:51.893 --> 0:18:55.133 for one. It's all those kinds of things that are 0:18:55.173 --> 0:18:58.493 not quite there. Now they become less important, and you 0:18:58.613 --> 0:19:02.093 tuck them away in the spare room with your old furniture. 0:19:02.813 --> 0:19:07.693 And now batsmen trust attack more than they do their defense, 0:19:08.533 --> 0:19:11.773 more comfortable reverse sweeping than they are playing a forward defense. 0:19:11.853 --> 0:19:13.533 I don't blame the players. 0:19:13.773 --> 0:19:16.653 It's just part of this huge shift in the game, 0:19:17.293 --> 0:19:18.653 and it has a knock on effect. 0:19:18.733 --> 0:19:24.573 You make the point around Collie not waiting and not 0:19:24.653 --> 0:19:28.053 giving himself a chance to which in previous times that 0:19:28.653 --> 0:19:31.693 over his career he's done. I can trust that with 0:19:31.893 --> 0:19:36.253 Latham's really very important knock in the second innings, he 0:19:36.373 --> 0:19:40.973 was patient, but he also used the reverse sweep and 0:19:41.013 --> 0:19:45.053 he lapped the spinners, putting pressure back on the Indian spinners. 0:19:45.253 --> 0:19:48.933 But he seemed to use those shots in a much 0:19:48.973 --> 0:19:52.413 more considered way where the ball was pitching outside his 0:19:53.133 --> 0:19:55.773 leg stumped to reverse sweep it, so he took the 0:19:55.853 --> 0:19:58.173 letter the l w out of the way. I thought 0:19:58.213 --> 0:20:03.333 that was probably, apart from SATs wonderful innings, that was 0:20:03.333 --> 0:20:07.133 probably the most critical innings where he played got that 0:20:07.213 --> 0:20:12.173 eighty yard, but there was contributions all through and built 0:20:12.213 --> 0:20:15.133 partnerships of twenties and thirties to get the total up. 0:20:15.573 --> 0:20:18.373 That was just a fabulous knock and what Latham did 0:20:18.893 --> 0:20:23.933 was he did put the pressure back on Judaisha and co. 0:20:24.973 --> 0:20:28.013 That was a fabulous knock and that contrasted with what 0:20:28.093 --> 0:20:30.853 we saw from India which was quite the reverse. 0:20:30.933 --> 0:20:37.533 Really totally terminations that needs skill with the bat. The 0:20:37.573 --> 0:20:40.653 story about Mitchell Santner is an interesting one. Nice to 0:20:40.693 --> 0:20:44.893 hear him enjoying the success. But we wouldn't have picked 0:20:44.973 --> 0:20:48.053 him as a thirteen wicket man. We weren't picking him 0:20:48.053 --> 0:20:50.853 in the team before that Test match. And then he's 0:20:50.973 --> 0:20:52.493 just spun New Zealand of victory. 0:20:52.573 --> 0:20:52.853 Jerry. 0:20:53.213 --> 0:20:54.573 That's extraordinary, isn't it. 0:20:54.573 --> 0:20:57.053 It'll be known as Santler's Test and people will know 0:20:57.133 --> 0:21:00.893 immediately what you're talking about it's come so out of 0:21:00.933 --> 0:21:03.213 the blue, hasn't it. I mean, he's not really a 0:21:03.253 --> 0:21:06.373 regular in our red ball team. He is, he's certainly 0:21:06.413 --> 0:21:09.733 a mainstay in our white ball crew. He didn't play 0:21:09.773 --> 0:21:13.613