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Speaker 3: Hello, nice to have you on the front foot again.
Speaker 3: History repeats itself for the black Caps on the Subcompany
Speaker 3: thirty six years without a wound, then two in one
Speaker 3: week certainly becomes the latest spin thread against players who
Speaker 3: seemingly are reared from a young age on a diet
Speaker 3: of spin bowling. Our white Ferns match the black Caps
Speaker 3: if it were one day whining Adabad. Unfortunately they couldn't
Speaker 3: pull a victory off to win the series. And it
Speaker 3: appears beswell doesn't always work when backing on it, Bunsen Burner, Well,
Speaker 3: I've guaranteed a way for New Zealand to win the
Speaker 3: third Test match. Peter Holland and Jeremy Kenney with me.
Speaker 3: I've decided to pick India.
Speaker 2: What chances have they got now? Surely? I mean a
Speaker 2: cresting away.
Speaker 3: Could you imagine? And we can put the rugby scenario
Speaker 3: in here. If the All Blacks had lost twice to India,
Speaker 3: what would be going on here? The post mortems in
Speaker 3: this guy, you know, I mean the dark shroud would
Speaker 3: be all over New Zealand, wouldn't it.
Speaker 4: I read a comment from Robert Chalmer that they weren't
Speaker 4: going to do too much on post mortems. Maybe less
Speaker 4: said was the better. I don't know. I mean, where
Speaker 4: do you go with you? A few of them? I
Speaker 4: mean my impression about this series was this was a
Speaker 4: warm up for their upcoming series against Australia. I mean
Speaker 4: that's where their focus was.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the interesting comment I heard Jerry and
Speaker 3: we'll give them as Joe gary Stead's had some criticism,
Speaker 3: but the one comment that he made that I thought
Speaker 3: really covered well, we played better than them. And I
Speaker 3: think that's simply the case, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? And I think the important the point that you make.
Speaker 5: There will be bemused people around New Zealand who follow cricket,
Speaker 5: won't they. Let's be honest about that. If you look
Speaker 5: beyond what happened on the field of plays. Then it's
Speaker 5: very difficult to explain rationally how and why.
Speaker 2: New Zealand did this.
Speaker 5: You appear into history and you see thirty six years
Speaker 5: and something or the other last win and a million
Speaker 5: years since playing in India and there's no series win.
Speaker 2: And how many series has it been at home since?
Speaker 5: Anybody has beaten them, even the well resourced teams, let
Speaker 5: alone New Zealand. You know, teams like yeah, just with
Speaker 5: money and large populations who have cricket and their culture,
Speaker 5: lots of players to choose from you you can recreate
Speaker 5: practices that are like Indian conditions and the best coaches
Speaker 5: and it goes on, doesn't it. You know, other Asian
Speaker 5: teams and there's not much there to really say New
Speaker 5: Zealand you're in with a series win, throwing their moderate
Speaker 5: recent results. There's no real rational answer. And yet once
Speaker 5: you start looking on the field of play, we have
Speaker 5: played better and we should embrace that. That doesn't mean
Speaker 5: it lasts, but it means for the last two games
Speaker 5: we've been the better side. I mean that first Test
Speaker 5: win Bengaluru, I thought, okay, we had a weaver of
Speaker 5: luck didn't we with the you know, having a bowl
Speaker 5: first and our can ditions and then we grabbed it.
Speaker 5: Bowlers did their job, we caught, we bought much better
Speaker 5: than we have recently, and you know, and we all know.
Speaker 5: The game just carried on and India played a bit
Speaker 5: better in the third innings, but then we came back
Speaker 5: with a second new ball and got the runs in
Speaker 5: the last innings.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 5: I don't know what you guys thought. I thought this
Speaker 5: was even a better win. It's the second Test.
Speaker 3: And done with spin, which is something unusual for New Zealand.
Speaker 3: Let's just talk about spin firstly. Well, Mitchell Senter may
Speaker 3: come across as mister coole laid back is an understatement,
Speaker 3: but he's realistic about the progress of his Test career
Speaker 3: and he seems to enjoy his best performance with the ball.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you.
Speaker 6: It's obviously pretty pleasing. Yeah, I guess Test career for
Speaker 6: me he has been I kind of in and out
Speaker 6: and you know, I guess to get these conditions over
Speaker 6: here and put in a I guess a shift like
Speaker 6: that is pretty pleasing. But I guess to to do
Speaker 6: it against India and I guess kind of beat them
Speaker 6: at their own game. I guess that was the most
Speaker 6: pleasing thing for for us in that second Test anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I think like I think after the first Test, you know,
Speaker 6: we we thought, you know, it was obviously a massive
Speaker 6: achievement and we kind of had, you know, conditions that
Speaker 6: were I guess suited to us in that kind of
Speaker 6: first innings with the ball, and you know, I guess
Speaker 6: we made the most of it. And and then I
Speaker 6: guess coming here, we knew that it was going to
Speaker 6: be a different challenge altogether, you know, a classic kind
Speaker 6: of Indian track where it'd be slow and you know,
Speaker 6: take some turn later on and I guess to to
Speaker 6: do that and putting you know, a good shift over
Speaker 6: those three days. And you know, I guess the kind
Speaker 6: of way we went about it, especially with the bat,
Speaker 6: we kind of wanted to fire some shots at them
Speaker 6: and show that intent with the bat, and you know
Speaker 6: that kind of you know, put us in such a
Speaker 6: good position, especially if that first innings to so I
Speaker 6: guess to try to squeeze them and take wickets. So
Speaker 6: you know, I guess to do that against them. You know,
Speaker 6: you know what they kind of do to everyone else
Speaker 6: was the most pleasing thing.
Speaker 3: Can you put your finger on the reason for success?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess we had a lot of chats, you know,
Speaker 6: as a spin unit. You know, we felt India may
Speaker 6: have bowled a little bit quickly in their first innings,
Speaker 6: and I guess it was really skidding on and we
Speaker 6: tried to I think once we saw kind of Washington
Speaker 6: and Ashvin slow it up a touch kind of under
Speaker 6: that you know, ninety Klimeter mark. You know, it started
Speaker 6: to take some turns, so we kind of wanted to
Speaker 6: kind of make that our stock and kind of go
Speaker 6: either way from there. And I guess on a pitch
Speaker 6: where not necessarily doing anything different, but one will skin
Speaker 6: and one will spin, it just becomes an accuracy thing.
Speaker 6: And that's all we try to do is just be accurate.
Speaker 6: One hopefully spins and they nicke it or one skids
Speaker 6: and it hits them in the pad, And you know,
Speaker 6: I guess that's what the mode of the dismissal was
Speaker 6: throughout the whole test was either bold alb or nikops.
Speaker 3: Did the pitch preparation backfire on them?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's it's it's an interesting one because
Speaker 6: I think they have been so successful at doing that
Speaker 6: for a long period of time, and I think you know,
Speaker 6: we obviously as a spin unit, you know, back ourselves
Speaker 6: when it is spinning. But you know, you've got three
Speaker 6: world classmanners and their team that do very similar job
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 7: So I think we.
Speaker 6: Kind of knew that coming here that it might be
Speaker 6: you know, more traditional Indian wicket where you know, I
Speaker 6: guess they're trying to negate the bounce first of all
Speaker 6: from you know, our big seamers. So that's I think
Speaker 6: that's what's most pleasing about. I guess this one as
Speaker 6: we kind of beat them at their own game, you know, Bangalore,
Speaker 6: we kind of got the best of condition, especially at
Speaker 6: the start, and but then after that it was it
Speaker 6: was a grind. And then coming here, you know, we
Speaker 6: kind of outspun them and out kind of played them
Speaker 6: in their own conditions.
Speaker 3: Were you're expecting the kind of aggression they came with
Speaker 3: at the top of the order.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's still probably the best you know,
Speaker 6: attack on on on these wickets we knew, I think
Speaker 6: they knew, especially the new balls, probably the best time,
Speaker 6: you know, it's about especially like the seams were setting
Speaker 6: on even with the spin, it was more skiddy, and
Speaker 6: then when the ball gets still about that at fifteen
Speaker 6: twenty hour years old, it starts to take a bit
Speaker 6: more turns.
Speaker 7: I think they knew that if they.
Speaker 6: Could, you know, be aggressive and fire some shots, you know,
Speaker 6: put us on the back foot, maybe get some sweepers
Speaker 6: out less been around the bad and try you know,
Speaker 6: rotate from there. But I think we knew with you know,
Speaker 6: the score, we had it. You know, even if there
Speaker 6: was a partnership, it can change very quickly over here.
Speaker 6: And you know, I think it even showed, you know
Speaker 6: yesterday where you know, I think they're flying and then
Speaker 6: you kind of get one, you get two, and you
Speaker 6: can kind of start to squeeze again, and you know
Speaker 6: it might have been different if you know, it might
Speaker 6: have been only a two fifty kind of run lead.
Speaker 7: But yeah, pretty happy to have you know, through fifty
Speaker 7: to bowl it.
Speaker 3: How important has Rangana here? I've been to the bowling lineup.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's been, he's been, he's been outstanding. To be fair,
Speaker 6: you know, he's he's obviously done it for a long
Speaker 6: time and you know he's obviously a world class left uspinner.
Speaker 6: So I think, you know, you can get the likes
Speaker 6: of these guys coming in and helping him, you know,
Speaker 6: in similar conditions to what they've bowled their whole careers.
Speaker 6: And so, you know, rang And I was one of
Speaker 6: the best that you know, has kind of subtle changes
Speaker 6: of pace, but just landing it on the same spot
Speaker 6: time and time again, and that's you know, that's kind
Speaker 6: of the blueprint of what you need to do over here.
Speaker 6: I think in the past we've come here and just
Speaker 6: tried to bold fast into it, and you know, I
Speaker 6: think the other day there was there was times we
Speaker 6: kind of slowed up and then you know, go back
Speaker 6: to kind of buying fast. I think, you know, rang
Speaker 6: And has been he's been outstanding and just trying to
Speaker 6: keep it very simple for us. I know the guys
Speaker 6: have personally enjoyed him as well.
Speaker 3: Does he offer changes that you can make or is
Speaker 3: he just reinforcing what you do?
Speaker 6: I think he's you know, he's first of all, he
Speaker 6: kind of came in and just was kind of reinforcing.
Speaker 6: And I think you know, there's you know over here,
Speaker 6: I guess the subtle changes and field and you know,
Speaker 6: different angles on the crease, you know, just to trying
Speaker 6: to change kind of the batsman's approach. We speak about
Speaker 6: trying to get you know, mid creast to wide and
Speaker 6: kind of vary you know, the release points on on
Speaker 6: the crease and you know, just kind of having those
Speaker 6: in outfields where over here it's you know, it's massive.
Speaker 6: I think if you have every rue up, it's almost
Speaker 6: an easy shot to bail out and hit over the top.
Speaker 6: So it's kind of different catches in different spots with
Speaker 6: you know, a few men back, and you know he's
Speaker 6: he obviously did that for a long time in his career.
Speaker 3: It seems from watching you bowl that's something important to
Speaker 3: your style. The use of the crease and those changes
Speaker 3: and the changes of pace seem to have been significant
Speaker 3: in terms of we see the pace bowling on the screen.
Speaker 3: How effective have you found that in those conditions, the
Speaker 3: subtle changes that you talk about.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 6: I think, I guess, depending on the bat in the surface,
Speaker 6: I think i'd intentionally try to slow it up a
Speaker 6: little bit to star for us, you know, because he's
Speaker 6: very good at sweeping and those kind of square shots.
Speaker 6: So I think, you know, taking the pace off and
Speaker 6: I think might have been a little bit greedy at times.
Speaker 6: Probably don't need a bowl seventy three seventy five, but
Speaker 6: it's probably you know, kind of between the eighty and
Speaker 6: kind of low a's to kind of high.
Speaker 7: Or maybe early nineties is probably the ideal.
Speaker 6: But I think, you know, depending on the surface, if
Speaker 6: it is kind of going all the time, you kind
Speaker 6: of all fast into it one or scared one will spin.
Speaker 6: But I think there's a period there, especially in our
Speaker 6: kind of first things, where when you went over the
Speaker 6: top more you actually got a lot more balance in it.
Speaker 6: It looked challenging to play the crossbat shot. So I
Speaker 6: think you know, we just we kind of speak about
Speaker 6: that as a as a unit. Is you know, what's
Speaker 6: probably the best ball on that surface and what's the
Speaker 6: ideal pace and try to go from there.
Speaker 3: You got the ball to rip a few times. Are
Speaker 3: you trying to turn the ball more, get ribs more
Speaker 3: ribs on the ball, or are you sticking with what
Speaker 3: you've had in the path and the you know, the
Speaker 3: tried and true that has been successful at.
Speaker 7: Times over here. It's kind of an interesting one.
Speaker 6: I think sometimes the more you put on it doesn't
Speaker 6: necessarily mean it the more it's going to spin. But
Speaker 6: you know, we think Obviously, the accuracy is such an
Speaker 6: important piece in this. I think we found that in
Speaker 6: Sri Lanka, where it was more the kind of angle
Speaker 6: of the seam was probably more important, you know, that
Speaker 6: kind of traditional forty five over the top. In Sri Lanka,
Speaker 6: I think it's more that kind of under kind of
Speaker 6: side spin where one might you know, hit the leather
Speaker 6: and skired and one might hit the corner of the
Speaker 6: seaman go. So that's what we kind of talked about
Speaker 6: here was obviously trying to put it in a good
Speaker 6: area with with revs on it, but trying to make
Speaker 6: sure that seems in a good position where it can
Speaker 6: kind of go and also scared.
Speaker 7: And as obviously as a better that's that's obviously a very.
Speaker 6: Challenging aspect if one spins and you kind of think
Speaker 6: they might spin, and then one will just shooting hit
Speaker 6: you in the pad. So it might look bad on TV,
Speaker 6: but it's probably the setup where the one spin and
Speaker 6: then you get hitting the pad.
Speaker 3: After that you played it on Katie before. Is there
Speaker 3: any expectation within the side that there's going to be
Speaker 3: some changes to the kind of pitch you're likely to face.
Speaker 3: Do you think that they'll be prepared to make adjustments
Speaker 3: because you've beating them in their conditions.
Speaker 6: As you said previously, Well, I think the original commns
Speaker 6: were to take the grass off of wan Ky as
Speaker 6: well before this game. But I still think, you know,
Speaker 6: that's probably the best best chance of still winning, and
Speaker 6: these conditions they're so good at that, you know, it
Speaker 6: makes the toss obviously quite important. But I think you
Speaker 6: usually wanky can get more balanced. It's kind of traditionally
Speaker 6: obviously red soil can go a little bit quicker and
Speaker 6: go a bit, you know, more of the bounce. So
Speaker 6: it might be more of that kind of New Zealand
Speaker 6: style bowling, kind of trying to get more balanced, more
Speaker 6: of the top, that kind of forty five degree scene.
Speaker 6: But I guess we'll wait and see you where another
Speaker 6: couple of days here and see what that pitch has
Speaker 6: got for us in a cold day's time.
Speaker 3: Was any one dismissal that gave you greater delight than
Speaker 3: any other?
Speaker 6: I guess it's always nice k cold out. Not The
Speaker 6: first thing was a bet full, but I think the
Speaker 6: second one was. I tried to kind of bowl on
Speaker 6: the seam and get a couple go away and then
Speaker 6: intentionally bowl across him to see if it would skid,
Speaker 6: and it kind of stayed down and gathered pace. That
Speaker 6: was that was quite pleasant. Yeah, I don't think he
Speaker 6: was happy with the umpire's call, but you know, obviously
Speaker 6: we were pretty happy because it was given out.
Speaker 7: But yeah, he's.
Speaker 6: We have good bans off the field as well, and
Speaker 6: you know, I know he's I've got him out a
Speaker 6: couple of times now and I think he's aware of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no reason why he shouldn't celebrate a wicket of
Speaker 3: a very colie and remind him of that. But it
Speaker 3: was it was quite strange that, as he said, we
Speaker 3: beat them at their own game, playing on spin. Perhaps
Speaker 3: they should have just settled for an ordinary pitch without
Speaker 3: trying to doctor at four spin bowling, which has been
Speaker 3: their strength.
Speaker 4: After the the first innings of New Zealand of two
Speaker 4: fifty nine, you would think to yourself that the that
Speaker 4: India would have gone to themselves well to fifty nine. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's okay. The ordinary formula would have been India goes out,
Speaker 4: gets four hundred, leaves us a chase of to one
Speaker 4: fifty to two hundred to get. We fall short and
Speaker 4: they knocked the runs off. That's that's the well trodden route,
Speaker 4: isn't it The time's past. What happened was Saudi bowls
Speaker 4: Rowi Shama with an absolute little gem of a ball,
Speaker 4: beautiful ball, and he seems to be revital like just
Speaker 4: while I'm at it in terms of his demeanor in
Speaker 4: the field, great last catch. He bowled a couple of
Speaker 4: absolute beautiful balls. He knocked over Sharma and then there
Speaker 4: were certain the bowling out coally with the most perplexing
Speaker 4: sort of shot from Colie which was a push sweep
Speaker 4: half volleys an ordinary course Colie shit has belted it
Speaker 4: through the covers. That to me just stuck in my mind.
Speaker 4: And then at that point you were under pressure.
Speaker 5: Well he was just in two minds. I mean it
Speaker 5: was semi a full toss, wasn't it. It was half full
Speaker 5: toss and half dipping. And the bat path came from gully.
Speaker 5: He looked at if he wanted to mow it to Mumbai,
Speaker 5: and then he changed his mind and then wanted to
Speaker 5: go straight. How can Kali go out to a first
Speaker 5: ball in a Test match without playing wanting to play
Speaker 5: it straight? To get himself even vaguely in what's happening
Speaker 5: that he's caught between scuffing the ground and leaving the
Speaker 5: air and getting bold. I don't know what you guys think,
Speaker 5: but personally in today's tests, so I think qualities like
Speaker 5: patience and seeing a bowler off in the heat. You know,
Speaker 5: there's value sometimes in that because there's a danger. Perhaps
Speaker 5: you know he can go longer and he's getting the
Speaker 5: ball to do something or other. But to see somebody
Speaker 5: off is out of the whole idea nowadays. It seems
Speaker 5: to be an absorbing pressure from a bowler is not okay,
Speaker 5: because what you've got to do is put the pressure
Speaker 5: back on the bowling team. But that means a higher
Speaker 5: level of risk. So the value of staying in is
Speaker 5: not quite seen as a virtue nowadays. And I think certainly,
Speaker 5: you know from India, we are seeing you know, lots
Speaker 5: of players committing naturally enough to twenty twenty and it
Speaker 5: comes at a cost. Really, I think, I mean, why
Speaker 5: has it happened? We probably we all know it's not
Speaker 5: the player's fault. Really, Cricket boards now aren't just a
Speaker 5: guardian of the game where you put your arms around cricket.
Speaker 5: It's not that they have now become businesses, so they
Speaker 5: compete with broadcasting rights, and they want money to pay,
Speaker 5: and they seek money to pay players and all sorts
Speaker 5: of other things. And the players now I think their
Speaker 5: test skills are diminished because of that, and they let
Speaker 5: letting the ball go. No, they don't like to do
Speaker 5: that too much. Bat and paired together not quite so
Speaker 5: good at it. The shape above the ball, hitting the ball,
Speaker 5: for one. It's all those kinds of things that are
Speaker 5: not quite there. Now they become less important, and you
Speaker 5: tuck them away in the spare room with your old furniture.
Speaker 5: And now batsmen trust attack more than they do their defense,
Speaker 5: more comfortable reverse sweeping than they are playing a forward defense.
Speaker 2: I don't blame the players.
Speaker 5: It's just part of this huge shift in the game,
Speaker 5: and it has a knock on effect.
Speaker 4: You make the point around Collie not waiting and not
Speaker 4: giving himself a chance to which in previous times that
Speaker 4: over his career he's done. I can trust that with
Speaker 4: Latham's really very important knock in the second innings, he
Speaker 4: was patient, but he also used the reverse sweep and
Speaker 4: he lapped the spinners, putting pressure back on the Indian spinners.
Speaker 4: But he seemed to use those shots in a much
Speaker 4: more considered way where the ball was pitching outside his
Speaker 4: leg stumped to reverse sweep it, so he took the
Speaker 4: letter the l w out of the way. I thought
Speaker 4: that was probably, apart from SATs wonderful innings, that was
Speaker 4: probably the most critical innings where he played got that
Speaker 4: eighty yard, but there was contributions all through and built
Speaker 4: partnerships of twenties and thirties to get the total up.
Speaker 4: That was just a fabulous knock and what Latham did
Speaker 4: was he did put the pressure back on Judaisha and co.
Speaker 4: That was a fabulous knock and that contrasted with what
Speaker 4: we saw from India which was quite the reverse.
Speaker 3: Really totally terminations that needs skill with the bat. The
Speaker 3: story about Mitchell Santner is an interesting one. Nice to
Speaker 3: hear him enjoying the success. But we wouldn't have picked
Speaker 3: him as a thirteen wicket man. We weren't picking him
Speaker 3: in the team before that Test match. And then he's
Speaker 3: just spun New Zealand of victory.
Speaker 4: Jerry.
Speaker 2: That's extraordinary, isn't it.
Speaker 5: It'll be known as Santler's Test and people will know
Speaker 5: immediately what you're talking about it's come so out of
Speaker 5: the blue, hasn't it. I mean, he's not really a
Speaker 5: regular in our red ball team. He is, he's certainly
Speaker 5: a mainstay in our white ball crew. He didn't play
Speaker 5: the last Test in Bengaluru. He played two Tests in
Speaker 5: Sri Lanka and got one for one hundred and ninety seven.
Speaker 5: But you know, it's just in the last five years
Speaker 5: he's only played seven Tests for New Zealand, so he
Speaker 5: doesn't play much. But he in six of his seven
Speaker 5: wickets in the first innings were either bold or LBW
Speaker 5: so I think we can say there quite comfortably. He
Speaker 5: attacked the stumps, that's the first thing. Second thing I
Speaker 5: think is he got some assistance from the pitch. Some
Speaker 5: were turning a bit more, some went straight on, some
Speaker 5: bounced a bit more, some just squatted and kept a
Speaker 5: bit low, didn't they. He was very consistent, very accurate,
Speaker 5: landing it not on just an area as players talk
Speaker 5: about in the right area. It was even less than that.
Speaker 2: A couple of tee towels.
Speaker 5: And he's very good at changes of pace from his
Speaker 5: one day cricket, so flight speed, and he's also a
Speaker 5: bit of an angle. He gets out wide to the
Speaker 5: right handers, and so he gets two angles, one coming
Speaker 5: in from outside your eye line, drags you across a
Speaker 5: bit into the stumps, and then gets it to turn
Speaker 5: and hold its line.
Speaker 2: And then other than.
Speaker 5: That he gets you know, variations of projectory. And I
Speaker 5: thought he also was chart starting to change the angle
Speaker 5: of the scene. That was really important too as well
Speaker 5: that the variety of amount of turn that you can
Speaker 5: get there. So all those things added up and he
Speaker 5: just he got more confidence. I think wicket after wicket,
Speaker 5: and I think he said that, And.
Speaker 4: When do you think is the last time he bowled
Speaker 4: twenty nine overs straight? I doubt they, but not even
Speaker 4: in his first class career, So that I mean that
Speaker 4: to me, it's a testament to to Mitchell said, now
Speaker 4: you've just got to take hats off, and you're right, Jerry,
Speaker 4: he did ball beautifully and then he did start moving
Speaker 4: the the the angle of the scene, which means that
Speaker 4: you know, I grips on the scene, it'll take more.
Speaker 4: But if it hits the open side, if you will,
Speaker 4: it can just drift on and which is probably the
Speaker 4: most dangerous ball that you bowl, because the one that
Speaker 4: keeps going with the arm. He was He had it
Speaker 4: all and as you say, if you missed, he hit
Speaker 4: and that was crucial. Whereas contrast, Ajas Patal unfortunately is
Speaker 4: not in the groove. He gives you four balls and
Speaker 4: hence wasn't bold as much. No, I thought Mitchell sat
Speaker 4: And was fantastic and then pretty well supported by Glenn
Speaker 4: Phillips who's seems to be growing into the role a bit.
Speaker 4: And both of them of course got very handy runs.
Speaker 3: Interesting, I asked Mitchell Santner about having rung on A here. Well,
Speaker 3: they've had seclaim Mushtak with them in the past. If
Speaker 3: we want our spin bowlers to be successful along with
Speaker 3: our seemers, perhaps we should have more spin bowling coaches
Speaker 3: with them. He says sentences that he's enjoyed discussing spin
Speaker 3: bowling with rung on A Here. We haven't done that
Speaker 3: in the past, have we. We've always used a seam
Speaker 3: bowling coach to be our spin bowling coach as well.
Speaker 3: It's a different art, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Rungin a Herath was a lovely flight bowl and changes
Speaker 5: of pace which kind of suits Satna's skills as well,
Speaker 5: doesn't it, Especially the changes of pace it makes sense
Speaker 5: wads to have someone of that, you know, having a
Speaker 5: history of doing those things that our players can listen to.
Speaker 5: I think must be a huge, huge assistance that they
Speaker 5: can go along and listen to what he's got to
Speaker 5: say in the comments about their bowling. I also think
Speaker 5: Moose is right about ajs Pttel not quite at his best.
Speaker 5: Just seems to be rolling the ball out.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: Whether that's I saw his legs strapped. His front legs
Speaker 5: are strapped quite a lot now. Whether that's a problem
Speaker 5: he can't get over that, I don't know, but certainly
Speaker 5: he's not getting the link.
Speaker 2: He hasn't got a stock ball, put it.
Speaker 5: That way, and he's bowling a little bit too full
Speaker 5: and not giving the natural variations from the pitch a chance.
Speaker 2: So it was very important from that point of view.
Speaker 3: How do you sustain it through the next Test match then,
Speaker 3: because as Mitchell Santa says, they're expecting the pitch to
Speaker 3: be shaved of grass and dry and there. But I mean,
Speaker 3: you can't do that if you're Indian now because they've
Speaker 3: they've lost the game against spinners, haven't they.
Speaker 4: What would you do it when you've got when you've
Speaker 4: got boomera in your team exactly. You know, it's a
Speaker 4: bit of a h scratching for me because I've got Boom,
Speaker 4: I've got some decent quicks that that are a justice
Speaker 4: potent on on on quick and seeming decks. They don't
Speaker 4: need to go that way, would be the point I
Speaker 4: would make. I did think the introduction of Washington Sundar
Speaker 4: is very interesting, not having played for three and a
Speaker 4: half years, since he contributed greatly in that Australia series,
Speaker 4: that Indie year one. Perhaps he's born in for that
Speaker 4: very reason. He might be going to Australia. But I know,
Speaker 4: I'm perplexed, why why they, why they why they would
Speaker 4: want to turn it into a track that's kind of
Speaker 4: turn square from from the first session. It's baffling to
Speaker 4: me because it hasn't worked in the last one.
Speaker 5: One KD and Mumbai is the is the venue and
Speaker 5: the ground that's a red clay pitch different from the
Speaker 5: last one at Puna which they talk about, and those
Speaker 5: are the two types of pitchures. They don't actually look
Speaker 5: black and red, but the way they behave is slightly different.
Speaker 5: There's more play in the last one from Pune that
Speaker 5: means it can absorb more moisture, although who knows how
Speaker 5: much water they put in that pitch. It normally turns
Speaker 5: much earlier, is one of the features of that and
Speaker 5: it keeps going. You find the red clay which New
Speaker 5: Zealand are about to confront in Mumbai. It takes a
Speaker 5: little longer and suit to break up or to spin,
Speaker 5: but then once it does, it starts to obviously turn.
Speaker 5: And then also the faster bowlers get a bit more bounced,
Speaker 5: So it's more like Bengaluru than Pune.
Speaker 3: What do you do if you're the England coach Jerry
Speaker 3: baseball doesn't seem to be working in Pakistan?
Speaker 4: No will it?
Speaker 2: It works work quite well in the first Test.
Speaker 5: Eight hundred, we don't normally see that, you know, Brooke
Speaker 5: getting three of them and Route getting sort of one
Speaker 5: and two thirds so or was it two in a bit?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Doing a bit you can't I don't think you can
Speaker 5: just dismiss. One of the beauties of Test cricket to
Speaker 5: me is that there are different conditions around the world
Speaker 5: and you have to adjust to it, and there are
Speaker 5: different ways of playing and being successful on.
Speaker 2: All of them. But you have to adjust.
Speaker 5: You can't just have one way to play and say,
Speaker 5: here is the universal answer. I understand what they're trying
Speaker 5: to do, but you cannot do that. You've got to
Speaker 5: make sense about the way you play and match up
Speaker 5: with the conditions. They are not prepared, as I was saying,
Speaker 5: to take single after single after single. They want fours,
Speaker 5: they want sixers, and I think that's a result of
Speaker 5: the amount of you know, of the twenty twenty format
Speaker 5: that we're getting, and so you can't score as quickly
Speaker 5: on those pictures wads, and so they've produced months and
Speaker 5: burners and they've found a couple of spinners who are
Speaker 5: doing the jobs.
Speaker 2: So you've got to take your time.
Speaker 5: You've got to adapt to what you're doing.
Speaker 2: You can't just push all that stuff from the past.
Speaker 2: How long have we been playing test cricket? Ages? Ages
Speaker 2: and certain.
Speaker 5: Rules apply, and if you want to forget all those
Speaker 5: and rewrite them all, there is a cost.
Speaker 2: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 3: Well, credit to the black Caps for a remarkable when
Speaker 3: in the series in India. Not such a lot of
Speaker 3: credit after their lank and performance, but you know, they
Speaker 3: faced the adversity and they put the performance on board
Speaker 3: that has needed from them, and there's been adversity from
Speaker 3: the women's team as well. They fought through it too, Jerry.
Speaker 3: They won the T twenty World Cup. They've won one
Speaker 3: of two games ODO. I what a tough assignment to
Speaker 3: win a World Cup and then have to go and
Speaker 3: play three odii's in India over a space of seven
Speaker 3: or eight days. But they've certainly made dramatic progress, albeit
Speaker 3: through tough times.
Speaker 5: Look that twenty twenty World Cup win was was even
Speaker 5: more experience, you know, more extraordinary and unexpected now than
Speaker 5: the men beating India. Really, they were just so far
Speaker 5: away from looking a threat to other sides, but they
Speaker 5: got through that brilliantly. Certain players, it seems I don't
Speaker 5: know what you think. The team seems to me and
Speaker 5: I watched I'm afraid only the middle game against India,
Speaker 5: which was the one that the New Zealand women won.
Speaker 5: I just think they've straightened up their game of cricket.
Speaker 5: They're batting for fifty overs if it's an ODI game,
Speaker 5: or they're batting twenty overs if it's a twenty over match,
Speaker 5: which was not the way that they were approaching it
Speaker 5: earlier and by straightening the game up. I think they're
Speaker 5: using different areas of the field, down the ground, through
Speaker 5: the covers.
Speaker 2: Occasionally.
Speaker 5: They've always played the cut, and if you start driving well,
Speaker 5: you're going to get some more cuts because the bowler
Speaker 5: will shorten their length and they've still got the power
Speaker 5: in the leg side.
Speaker 2: They're taking more catches.
Speaker 5: They seem I mean, I don't know what you think was,
Speaker 5: but they seem to me to be just a stronger
Speaker 5: side and the better side and the harder team to beat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and some of the players that you might not
Speaker 3: have expected to deliver are starting to deliver. And Peter,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you have noticed the performances of the white Ferns,
Speaker 3: the likes of Georgia Plumber. She had a long time
Speaker 3: where you know, she got ten and that was her lot.
Speaker 3: Brook Halliday is now starting to get runs on a
Speaker 3: more consistent basis. They're not relying on baits, divine, et cetera.
Speaker 3: There was no cur in the last game because she
Speaker 3: came home injured. So they are spreading the net a
Speaker 3: little bit wider and asking some of the lesser experienced
Speaker 3: players to deliver. And I think that's coming good for them, isn't.
Speaker 4: It there would appear to be a greater level of
Speaker 4: belief and self belief, and perhaps it was that they
Speaker 4: played the two best teams for so long and then
Speaker 4: took a lot out of it. Yeah, contribution from Plumber
Speaker 4: Holiday Green gays. That's the encouraging bit because apart from
Speaker 4: in the second match, which is in one where both
Speaker 4: Bats and Divine got runs, they didn't in the other two.
Speaker 4: So these the younger Brotheragades so called, stepped up and
Speaker 4: that has to be heartening. And I think self belief
Speaker 4: is probably the most important bit. They can now know
Speaker 4: that they can foot it there with the with the best,
Speaker 4: and I think that aug as well. Frankly, so I know.
Speaker 4: I think they come home heads held high, no question.
Speaker 4: And again we might not have picked it at the start.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, clearly. See clearly it seems that Kiera is
Speaker 3: going to take over the captaincy and one hopes that
Speaker 3: she doesn't carry the important role of being captain batting
Speaker 3: bowling and too much pressure that can can pay a
Speaker 3: part in terms of a team performance.
Speaker 5: Jerry, Yeah, you don't want Amelia occur to be burdened,
Speaker 5: do you. There's been a bit of chat about baits
Speaker 5: and divine and to who who the grandma's they call them,
Speaker 5: don't they affectionately that they won't be playing too much longer.
Speaker 5: But you know the way they're they're they're they're getting
Speaker 5: their thirties and their forties. And if you're baits and
Speaker 5: batting up in the power play in the field at
Speaker 5: midwike atter quite a lot. She's doing the business and
Speaker 5: and so as divine divines still got the power and
Speaker 5: as you know, you might say, is but she's straightly
Speaker 5: she's changing her game game as well. She's still learning
Speaker 5: and to who who looks very keen, still doesn't she
Speaker 5: So but you add those other players that Moose has mentioned,
Speaker 5: I mean, I thought Rosemary Mayor you know, she's she
Speaker 5: come back into the game after after an injury.
Speaker 2: I mean, is he gaze seems.
Speaker 5: A little more down the order with the batting and
Speaker 5: you know, playing her variety of shots, you know, reverse
Speaker 5: sweeps and ramps and those kinds of things that she's
Speaker 5: she has a crack at. I think Parson and Jonas
Speaker 5: have played a part with the spinners to help ameliaccur.
Speaker 5: So it's not on her all on her shoulders there.
Speaker 5: So this is this is a new level confidence from
Speaker 5: the team. Let's hope they love it and that and
Speaker 5: it pushes them all forward together and that there are
Speaker 5: levels now of where we don't go belot beyond we
Speaker 5: do not go down there again. And and this is
Speaker 5: the new level we accept of standards. So that's great
Speaker 5: and it's wonderful to see them enjoying the game and
Speaker 5: at the same time playing better at improving.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all important things, and we will look forward to
Speaker 3: welcoming them home. I hope they get a welcome and
Speaker 3: a celebration from New Zealand Crickets. When New Zealand won
Speaker 3: the Test Championship Mace, they carried that round the country.
Speaker 3: No reason why the women shouldn't go round and exhibit
Speaker 3: what they have won and enjoy the period back at
Speaker 3: home rather than just the period of time they spent
Speaker 3: in India and in Dubai to provide them the memories.
Speaker 3: It looks like we're heading towards an interesting summer for
Speaker 3: our women's team as well, so that is something we
Speaker 3: can be excited about, as can be the final Test
Speaker 3: match in India and then the return home for the
Speaker 3: black Caps to play against the bas Ball champions. When
Speaker 3: they get here in a month or so. Peter Holland,
Speaker 3: thank you very much for joining us once again. Love
Speaker 3: to have your comments and look forward to having you
Speaker 3: join us again. I want you to get that camera
Speaker 3: on your laptop improved. It's a rather hazy, untidy look,
Speaker 3: although it's probably not a bad view because we can't
Speaker 3: see Cody, which is even better.
Speaker 4: What's very quickly?
Speaker 3: You're not going to ask me another You're not going
Speaker 3: to ask me another teaser? Are you?
Speaker 4: No? No?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: If I'm New Zealand cricket, isn't this one of the
Speaker 4: most interesting moments in recent times? The two two nil
Speaker 4: series went against India is making everyone sit up. Hopefully
Speaker 4: there's some commercial benefit that comes out of that and
Speaker 4: potential benefit. Maybe we get into your back here sooner
Speaker 4: than we would have otherwise thought, I don't know, throw
Speaker 4: it out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good points, and you would hope that there is
Speaker 3: commercial benefit for a side that has performed above and beyond. Jerry,
Speaker 3: you'll be looking for to the Test match some more
Speaker 3: late nights. We'll be able to discuss the series in
Speaker 3: a week's time after we've beaten India three mil.
Speaker 5: Oh, that would be even better. That might even bring
Speaker 5: some sunshine to Wellington Wads. I've been here for a
Speaker 5: couple of weeks now and uh it's been it's been
Speaker 5: pretty messy at times, either or by through wind that's
Speaker 5: not my own, that's from outside exterior and also.
Speaker 2: You know, also the rain.
Speaker 3: Thanks of your time, Jerry and mind when.
Speaker 2: Summer.
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