1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:12,013 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said b. 2 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:15,213 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:22,013 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and take it on the pad. 4 00:00:22,093 --> 00:00:24,133 Speaker 2: Now we don't get in. It's a trick. 5 00:00:24,733 --> 00:00:30,893 Speaker 3: It is out. The test is over. Goodness, smooth, beauty, 6 00:00:30,933 --> 00:00:33,013 Speaker 3: it is out and here he goes. 7 00:00:33,133 --> 00:00:35,053 Speaker 4: This delivery has a new uses. 8 00:00:34,933 --> 00:00:35,613 Speaker 3: To bowl. 9 00:00:37,773 --> 00:00:41,173 Speaker 1: On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody 10 00:00:41,493 --> 00:00:45,373 Speaker 1: powered by news Talk, said B at iHeart Radio. 11 00:00:47,893 --> 00:00:50,133 Speaker 3: Hello, nice to have you on the front foot again. 12 00:00:50,413 --> 00:00:53,293 Speaker 3: History repeats itself for the black Caps on the Subcompany 13 00:00:53,813 --> 00:00:57,013 Speaker 3: thirty six years without a wound, then two in one 14 00:00:57,093 --> 00:01:01,453 Speaker 3: week certainly becomes the latest spin thread against players who 15 00:01:01,853 --> 00:01:04,693 Speaker 3: seemingly are reared from a young age on a diet 16 00:01:04,693 --> 00:01:07,893 Speaker 3: of spin bowling. Our white Ferns match the black Caps 17 00:01:07,893 --> 00:01:11,533 Speaker 3: if it were one day whining Adabad. Unfortunately they couldn't 18 00:01:11,533 --> 00:01:14,453 Speaker 3: pull a victory off to win the series. And it 19 00:01:14,493 --> 00:01:20,173 Speaker 3: appears beswell doesn't always work when backing on it, Bunsen Burner, Well, 20 00:01:20,253 --> 00:01:24,293 Speaker 3: I've guaranteed a way for New Zealand to win the 21 00:01:24,333 --> 00:01:27,813 Speaker 3: third Test match. Peter Holland and Jeremy Kenney with me. 22 00:01:28,133 --> 00:01:31,613 Speaker 3: I've decided to pick India. 23 00:01:32,453 --> 00:01:36,893 Speaker 2: What chances have they got now? Surely? I mean a 24 00:01:37,053 --> 00:01:37,813 Speaker 2: cresting away. 25 00:01:38,453 --> 00:01:42,573 Speaker 3: Could you imagine? And we can put the rugby scenario 26 00:01:42,613 --> 00:01:47,253 Speaker 3: in here. If the All Blacks had lost twice to India, 27 00:01:48,173 --> 00:01:50,533 Speaker 3: what would be going on here? The post mortems in 28 00:01:50,573 --> 00:01:53,413 Speaker 3: this guy, you know, I mean the dark shroud would 29 00:01:53,413 --> 00:01:54,853 Speaker 3: be all over New Zealand, wouldn't it. 30 00:01:56,253 --> 00:02:00,973 Speaker 4: I read a comment from Robert Chalmer that they weren't 31 00:02:00,973 --> 00:02:05,573 Speaker 4: going to do too much on post mortems. Maybe less 32 00:02:05,653 --> 00:02:08,853 Speaker 4: said was the better. I don't know. I mean, where 33 00:02:08,853 --> 00:02:10,453 Speaker 4: do you go with you? A few of them? I 34 00:02:10,493 --> 00:02:13,973 Speaker 4: mean my impression about this series was this was a 35 00:02:14,013 --> 00:02:18,493 Speaker 4: warm up for their upcoming series against Australia. I mean 36 00:02:18,493 --> 00:02:19,733 Speaker 4: that's where their focus was. 37 00:02:20,333 --> 00:02:22,853 Speaker 3: Well, I think the interesting comment I heard Jerry and 38 00:02:23,533 --> 00:02:26,653 Speaker 3: we'll give them as Joe gary Stead's had some criticism, 39 00:02:27,333 --> 00:02:29,653 Speaker 3: but the one comment that he made that I thought 40 00:02:29,933 --> 00:02:33,333 Speaker 3: really covered well, we played better than them. And I 41 00:02:33,333 --> 00:02:34,813 Speaker 3: think that's simply the case, isn't it? 42 00:02:35,173 --> 00:02:39,053 Speaker 2: Absolutely? And I think the important the point that you make. 43 00:02:40,773 --> 00:02:44,373 Speaker 5: There will be bemused people around New Zealand who follow cricket, 44 00:02:44,373 --> 00:02:46,733 Speaker 5: won't they. Let's be honest about that. If you look 45 00:02:46,853 --> 00:02:51,573 Speaker 5: beyond what happened on the field of plays. Then it's 46 00:02:51,693 --> 00:02:55,453 Speaker 5: very difficult to explain rationally how and why. 47 00:02:55,333 --> 00:02:56,293 Speaker 2: New Zealand did this. 48 00:02:57,013 --> 00:02:59,493 Speaker 5: You appear into history and you see thirty six years 49 00:02:59,573 --> 00:03:02,773 Speaker 5: and something or the other last win and a million 50 00:03:02,853 --> 00:03:05,733 Speaker 5: years since playing in India and there's no series win. 51 00:03:05,653 --> 00:03:08,333 Speaker 2: And how many series has it been at home since? 52 00:03:08,413 --> 00:03:11,813 Speaker 5: Anybody has beaten them, even the well resourced teams, let 53 00:03:11,853 --> 00:03:15,573 Speaker 5: alone New Zealand. You know, teams like yeah, just with 54 00:03:15,693 --> 00:03:20,013 Speaker 5: money and large populations who have cricket and their culture, 55 00:03:20,053 --> 00:03:23,613 Speaker 5: lots of players to choose from you you can recreate 56 00:03:23,813 --> 00:03:28,213 Speaker 5: practices that are like Indian conditions and the best coaches 57 00:03:28,253 --> 00:03:31,493 Speaker 5: and it goes on, doesn't it. You know, other Asian 58 00:03:31,613 --> 00:03:35,373 Speaker 5: teams and there's not much there to really say New 59 00:03:35,453 --> 00:03:39,293 Speaker 5: Zealand you're in with a series win, throwing their moderate 60 00:03:39,333 --> 00:03:46,453 Speaker 5: recent results. There's no real rational answer. And yet once 61 00:03:46,453 --> 00:03:49,493 Speaker 5: you start looking on the field of play, we have 62 00:03:49,653 --> 00:03:53,893 Speaker 5: played better and we should embrace that. That doesn't mean 63 00:03:53,933 --> 00:03:56,893 Speaker 5: it lasts, but it means for the last two games 64 00:03:57,133 --> 00:03:59,973 Speaker 5: we've been the better side. I mean that first Test 65 00:04:00,013 --> 00:04:04,293 Speaker 5: win Bengaluru, I thought, okay, we had a weaver of 66 00:04:04,413 --> 00:04:07,373 Speaker 5: luck didn't we with the you know, having a bowl 67 00:04:07,453 --> 00:04:10,973 Speaker 5: first and our can ditions and then we grabbed it. 68 00:04:11,773 --> 00:04:15,533 Speaker 5: Bowlers did their job, we caught, we bought much better 69 00:04:15,573 --> 00:04:18,533 Speaker 5: than we have recently, and you know, and we all know. 70 00:04:18,613 --> 00:04:20,893 Speaker 5: The game just carried on and India played a bit 71 00:04:20,893 --> 00:04:23,973 Speaker 5: better in the third innings, but then we came back 72 00:04:24,013 --> 00:04:26,773 Speaker 5: with a second new ball and got the runs in 73 00:04:26,853 --> 00:04:27,853 Speaker 5: the last innings. 74 00:04:28,093 --> 00:04:28,333 Speaker 2: Here. 75 00:04:29,173 --> 00:04:31,253 Speaker 5: I don't know what you guys thought. I thought this 76 00:04:31,413 --> 00:04:34,453 Speaker 5: was even a better win. It's the second Test. 77 00:04:35,093 --> 00:04:39,973 Speaker 3: And done with spin, which is something unusual for New Zealand. 78 00:04:40,133 --> 00:04:44,133 Speaker 3: Let's just talk about spin firstly. Well, Mitchell Senter may 79 00:04:44,213 --> 00:04:49,053 Speaker 3: come across as mister coole laid back is an understatement, 80 00:04:49,373 --> 00:04:52,733 Speaker 3: but he's realistic about the progress of his Test career 81 00:04:53,133 --> 00:04:56,933 Speaker 3: and he seems to enjoy his best performance with the ball. 82 00:04:57,053 --> 00:04:57,773 Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you. 83 00:04:58,213 --> 00:05:02,533 Speaker 6: It's obviously pretty pleasing. Yeah, I guess Test career for 84 00:05:02,613 --> 00:05:04,333 Speaker 6: me he has been I kind of in and out 85 00:05:04,333 --> 00:05:08,453 Speaker 6: and you know, I guess to get these conditions over 86 00:05:08,533 --> 00:05:10,933 Speaker 6: here and put in a I guess a shift like 87 00:05:10,973 --> 00:05:14,453 Speaker 6: that is pretty pleasing. But I guess to to do 88 00:05:14,533 --> 00:05:17,053 Speaker 6: it against India and I guess kind of beat them 89 00:05:17,053 --> 00:05:19,253 Speaker 6: at their own game. I guess that was the most 90 00:05:19,293 --> 00:05:22,853 Speaker 6: pleasing thing for for us in that second Test anyway. Yeah, 91 00:05:23,133 --> 00:05:25,373 Speaker 6: I think like I think after the first Test, you know, 92 00:05:25,453 --> 00:05:28,453 Speaker 6: we we thought, you know, it was obviously a massive 93 00:05:28,453 --> 00:05:30,693 Speaker 6: achievement and we kind of had, you know, conditions that 94 00:05:30,773 --> 00:05:33,573 Speaker 6: were I guess suited to us in that kind of 95 00:05:33,573 --> 00:05:35,373 Speaker 6: first innings with the ball, and you know, I guess 96 00:05:35,373 --> 00:05:37,893 Speaker 6: we made the most of it. And and then I 97 00:05:37,893 --> 00:05:39,373 Speaker 6: guess coming here, we knew that it was going to 98 00:05:39,453 --> 00:05:42,853 Speaker 6: be a different challenge altogether, you know, a classic kind 99 00:05:42,853 --> 00:05:45,253 Speaker 6: of Indian track where it'd be slow and you know, 100 00:05:45,813 --> 00:05:48,773 Speaker 6: take some turn later on and I guess to to 101 00:05:48,853 --> 00:05:51,173 Speaker 6: do that and putting you know, a good shift over 102 00:05:51,213 --> 00:05:54,133 Speaker 6: those three days. And you know, I guess the kind 103 00:05:54,173 --> 00:05:56,093 Speaker 6: of way we went about it, especially with the bat, 104 00:05:56,133 --> 00:05:59,853 Speaker 6: we kind of wanted to fire some shots at them 105 00:05:59,893 --> 00:06:01,773 Speaker 6: and show that intent with the bat, and you know 106 00:06:01,813 --> 00:06:03,853 Speaker 6: that kind of you know, put us in such a 107 00:06:03,853 --> 00:06:06,613 Speaker 6: good position, especially if that first innings to so I 108 00:06:06,653 --> 00:06:09,413 Speaker 6: guess to try to squeeze them and take wickets. So 109 00:06:10,173 --> 00:06:12,733 Speaker 6: you know, I guess to do that against them. You know, 110 00:06:13,173 --> 00:06:14,893 Speaker 6: you know what they kind of do to everyone else 111 00:06:15,013 --> 00:06:16,333 Speaker 6: was the most pleasing thing. 112 00:06:16,573 --> 00:06:18,813 Speaker 3: Can you put your finger on the reason for success? 113 00:06:19,213 --> 00:06:21,653 Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess we had a lot of chats, you know, 114 00:06:21,693 --> 00:06:25,013 Speaker 6: as a spin unit. You know, we felt India may 115 00:06:25,013 --> 00:06:27,613 Speaker 6: have bowled a little bit quickly in their first innings, 116 00:06:28,733 --> 00:06:30,453 Speaker 6: and I guess it was really skidding on and we 117 00:06:30,493 --> 00:06:33,573 Speaker 6: tried to I think once we saw kind of Washington 118 00:06:33,773 --> 00:06:36,293 Speaker 6: and Ashvin slow it up a touch kind of under 119 00:06:36,293 --> 00:06:39,693 Speaker 6: that you know, ninety Klimeter mark. You know, it started 120 00:06:39,733 --> 00:06:42,173 Speaker 6: to take some turns, so we kind of wanted to 121 00:06:42,293 --> 00:06:44,333 Speaker 6: kind of make that our stock and kind of go 122 00:06:44,413 --> 00:06:46,613 Speaker 6: either way from there. And I guess on a pitch 123 00:06:46,693 --> 00:06:50,013 Speaker 6: where not necessarily doing anything different, but one will skin 124 00:06:50,053 --> 00:06:52,533 Speaker 6: and one will spin, it just becomes an accuracy thing. 125 00:06:52,933 --> 00:06:54,653 Speaker 6: And that's all we try to do is just be accurate. 126 00:06:55,573 --> 00:06:58,213 Speaker 6: One hopefully spins and they nicke it or one skids 127 00:06:58,213 --> 00:06:59,493 Speaker 6: and it hits them in the pad, And you know, 128 00:06:59,493 --> 00:07:02,573 Speaker 6: I guess that's what the mode of the dismissal was 129 00:07:02,653 --> 00:07:05,373 Speaker 6: throughout the whole test was either bold alb or nikops. 130 00:07:05,533 --> 00:07:07,653 Speaker 3: Did the pitch preparation backfire on them? 131 00:07:07,733 --> 00:07:10,413 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's it's it's an interesting one because 132 00:07:10,413 --> 00:07:12,453 Speaker 6: I think they have been so successful at doing that 133 00:07:12,493 --> 00:07:14,653 Speaker 6: for a long period of time, and I think you know, 134 00:07:14,693 --> 00:07:18,173 Speaker 6: we obviously as a spin unit, you know, back ourselves 135 00:07:18,173 --> 00:07:20,773 Speaker 6: when it is spinning. But you know, you've got three 136 00:07:20,813 --> 00:07:23,573 Speaker 6: world classmanners and their team that do very similar job 137 00:07:23,613 --> 00:07:23,933 Speaker 6: as well. 138 00:07:23,973 --> 00:07:25,453 Speaker 7: So I think we. 139 00:07:25,813 --> 00:07:27,493 Speaker 6: Kind of knew that coming here that it might be 140 00:07:27,693 --> 00:07:30,733 Speaker 6: you know, more traditional Indian wicket where you know, I 141 00:07:30,733 --> 00:07:33,773 Speaker 6: guess they're trying to negate the bounce first of all 142 00:07:33,813 --> 00:07:37,173 Speaker 6: from you know, our big seamers. So that's I think 143 00:07:37,213 --> 00:07:39,933 Speaker 6: that's what's most pleasing about. I guess this one as 144 00:07:39,973 --> 00:07:42,933 Speaker 6: we kind of beat them at their own game, you know, Bangalore, 145 00:07:42,933 --> 00:07:44,653 Speaker 6: we kind of got the best of condition, especially at 146 00:07:44,693 --> 00:07:46,853 Speaker 6: the start, and but then after that it was it 147 00:07:46,893 --> 00:07:49,413 Speaker 6: was a grind. And then coming here, you know, we 148 00:07:49,573 --> 00:07:52,693 Speaker 6: kind of outspun them and out kind of played them 149 00:07:52,693 --> 00:07:54,213 Speaker 6: in their own conditions. 150 00:07:54,493 --> 00:07:57,533 Speaker 3: Were you're expecting the kind of aggression they came with 151 00:07:57,973 --> 00:07:59,053 Speaker 3: at the top of the order. 152 00:08:00,053 --> 00:08:03,493 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's still probably the best you know, 153 00:08:03,573 --> 00:08:05,853 Speaker 6: attack on on on these wickets we knew, I think 154 00:08:05,853 --> 00:08:08,053 Speaker 6: they knew, especially the new balls, probably the best time, 155 00:08:09,373 --> 00:08:11,613 Speaker 6: you know, it's about especially like the seams were setting 156 00:08:11,653 --> 00:08:13,493 Speaker 6: on even with the spin, it was more skiddy, and 157 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:15,173 Speaker 6: then when the ball gets still about that at fifteen 158 00:08:15,213 --> 00:08:17,493 Speaker 6: twenty hour years old, it starts to take a bit 159 00:08:17,533 --> 00:08:18,053 Speaker 6: more turns. 160 00:08:18,093 --> 00:08:20,253 Speaker 7: I think they knew that if they. 161 00:08:20,133 --> 00:08:22,693 Speaker 6: Could, you know, be aggressive and fire some shots, you know, 162 00:08:22,733 --> 00:08:24,733 Speaker 6: put us on the back foot, maybe get some sweepers 163 00:08:24,773 --> 00:08:27,733 Speaker 6: out less been around the bad and try you know, 164 00:08:27,893 --> 00:08:31,053 Speaker 6: rotate from there. But I think we knew with you know, 165 00:08:31,093 --> 00:08:33,333 Speaker 6: the score, we had it. You know, even if there 166 00:08:33,413 --> 00:08:35,693 Speaker 6: was a partnership, it can change very quickly over here. 167 00:08:35,733 --> 00:08:37,453 Speaker 6: And you know, I think it even showed, you know 168 00:08:37,933 --> 00:08:40,213 Speaker 6: yesterday where you know, I think they're flying and then 169 00:08:40,253 --> 00:08:41,933 Speaker 6: you kind of get one, you get two, and you 170 00:08:41,933 --> 00:08:45,013 Speaker 6: can kind of start to squeeze again, and you know 171 00:08:45,013 --> 00:08:46,453 Speaker 6: it might have been different if you know, it might 172 00:08:46,493 --> 00:08:48,133 Speaker 6: have been only a two fifty kind of run lead. 173 00:08:48,253 --> 00:08:51,013 Speaker 7: But yeah, pretty happy to have you know, through fifty 174 00:08:51,053 --> 00:08:51,413 Speaker 7: to bowl it. 175 00:08:52,293 --> 00:08:55,973 Speaker 3: How important has Rangana here? I've been to the bowling lineup. 176 00:08:56,733 --> 00:08:59,053 Speaker 6: Yeah, he's been, he's been, he's been outstanding. To be fair, 177 00:09:01,013 --> 00:09:03,173 Speaker 6: you know, he's he's obviously done it for a long 178 00:09:03,213 --> 00:09:07,533 Speaker 6: time and you know he's obviously a world class left uspinner. 179 00:09:07,573 --> 00:09:09,573 Speaker 6: So I think, you know, you can get the likes 180 00:09:09,573 --> 00:09:11,973 Speaker 6: of these guys coming in and helping him, you know, 181 00:09:12,053 --> 00:09:15,293 Speaker 6: in similar conditions to what they've bowled their whole careers. 182 00:09:15,333 --> 00:09:18,453 Speaker 6: And so, you know, rang And I was one of 183 00:09:18,453 --> 00:09:20,573 Speaker 6: the best that you know, has kind of subtle changes 184 00:09:20,613 --> 00:09:23,053 Speaker 6: of pace, but just landing it on the same spot 185 00:09:23,453 --> 00:09:25,653 Speaker 6: time and time again, and that's you know, that's kind 186 00:09:25,653 --> 00:09:27,893 Speaker 6: of the blueprint of what you need to do over here. 187 00:09:29,653 --> 00:09:30,973 Speaker 6: I think in the past we've come here and just 188 00:09:31,013 --> 00:09:34,493 Speaker 6: tried to bold fast into it, and you know, I 189 00:09:34,533 --> 00:09:36,693 Speaker 6: think the other day there was there was times we 190 00:09:37,133 --> 00:09:39,933 Speaker 6: kind of slowed up and then you know, go back 191 00:09:39,973 --> 00:09:41,733 Speaker 6: to kind of buying fast. I think, you know, rang 192 00:09:41,773 --> 00:09:44,653 Speaker 6: And has been he's been outstanding and just trying to 193 00:09:45,013 --> 00:09:47,813 Speaker 6: keep it very simple for us. I know the guys 194 00:09:47,813 --> 00:09:50,493 Speaker 6: have personally enjoyed him as well. 195 00:09:52,133 --> 00:09:55,093 Speaker 3: Does he offer changes that you can make or is 196 00:09:55,133 --> 00:09:56,813 Speaker 3: he just reinforcing what you do? 197 00:09:58,973 --> 00:10:01,533 Speaker 6: I think he's you know, he's first of all, he 198 00:10:01,653 --> 00:10:04,173 Speaker 6: kind of came in and just was kind of reinforcing. 199 00:10:04,173 --> 00:10:06,733 Speaker 6: And I think you know, there's you know over here, 200 00:10:07,573 --> 00:10:10,733 Speaker 6: I guess the subtle changes and field and you know, 201 00:10:10,973 --> 00:10:13,613 Speaker 6: different angles on the crease, you know, just to trying 202 00:10:13,653 --> 00:10:17,293 Speaker 6: to change kind of the batsman's approach. We speak about 203 00:10:17,333 --> 00:10:20,853 Speaker 6: trying to get you know, mid creast to wide and 204 00:10:21,013 --> 00:10:23,813 Speaker 6: kind of vary you know, the release points on on 205 00:10:23,853 --> 00:10:25,853 Speaker 6: the crease and you know, just kind of having those 206 00:10:25,893 --> 00:10:28,973 Speaker 6: in outfields where over here it's you know, it's massive. 207 00:10:29,133 --> 00:10:30,813 Speaker 6: I think if you have every rue up, it's almost 208 00:10:30,813 --> 00:10:33,173 Speaker 6: an easy shot to bail out and hit over the top. 209 00:10:33,213 --> 00:10:35,893 Speaker 6: So it's kind of different catches in different spots with 210 00:10:35,973 --> 00:10:38,813 Speaker 6: you know, a few men back, and you know he's 211 00:10:38,853 --> 00:10:40,773 Speaker 6: he obviously did that for a long time in his career. 212 00:10:42,133 --> 00:10:44,853 Speaker 3: It seems from watching you bowl that's something important to 213 00:10:45,013 --> 00:10:48,693 Speaker 3: your style. The use of the crease and those changes 214 00:10:48,893 --> 00:10:51,973 Speaker 3: and the changes of pace seem to have been significant 215 00:10:52,013 --> 00:10:54,653 Speaker 3: in terms of we see the pace bowling on the screen. 216 00:10:56,133 --> 00:11:00,213 Speaker 3: How effective have you found that in those conditions, the 217 00:11:00,613 --> 00:11:02,493 Speaker 3: subtle changes that you talk about. 218 00:11:04,293 --> 00:11:05,013 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think. 219 00:11:06,733 --> 00:11:09,093 Speaker 6: I think, I guess, depending on the bat in the surface, 220 00:11:09,173 --> 00:11:11,253 Speaker 6: I think i'd intentionally try to slow it up a 221 00:11:11,293 --> 00:11:14,853 Speaker 6: little bit to star for us, you know, because he's 222 00:11:14,933 --> 00:11:18,133 Speaker 6: very good at sweeping and those kind of square shots. 223 00:11:18,173 --> 00:11:19,853 Speaker 6: So I think, you know, taking the pace off and 224 00:11:19,893 --> 00:11:23,413 Speaker 6: I think might have been a little bit greedy at times. 225 00:11:23,533 --> 00:11:26,093 Speaker 6: Probably don't need a bowl seventy three seventy five, but 226 00:11:26,213 --> 00:11:28,373 Speaker 6: it's probably you know, kind of between the eighty and 227 00:11:28,453 --> 00:11:33,173 Speaker 6: kind of low a's to kind of high. 228 00:11:32,253 --> 00:11:34,533 Speaker 7: Or maybe early nineties is probably the ideal. 229 00:11:34,573 --> 00:11:37,493 Speaker 6: But I think, you know, depending on the surface, if 230 00:11:37,493 --> 00:11:40,293 Speaker 6: it is kind of going all the time, you kind 231 00:11:40,293 --> 00:11:42,333 Speaker 6: of all fast into it one or scared one will spin. 232 00:11:42,413 --> 00:11:45,133 Speaker 6: But I think there's a period there, especially in our 233 00:11:45,333 --> 00:11:47,813 Speaker 6: kind of first things, where when you went over the 234 00:11:47,813 --> 00:11:49,773 Speaker 6: top more you actually got a lot more balance in it. 235 00:11:49,773 --> 00:11:52,333 Speaker 6: It looked challenging to play the crossbat shot. So I 236 00:11:52,333 --> 00:11:54,253 Speaker 6: think you know, we just we kind of speak about 237 00:11:54,293 --> 00:11:56,853 Speaker 6: that as a as a unit. Is you know, what's 238 00:11:57,053 --> 00:11:59,333 Speaker 6: probably the best ball on that surface and what's the 239 00:11:59,373 --> 00:12:01,133 Speaker 6: ideal pace and try to go from there. 240 00:12:02,493 --> 00:12:04,613 Speaker 3: You got the ball to rip a few times. Are 241 00:12:04,613 --> 00:12:07,613 Speaker 3: you trying to turn the ball more, get ribs more 242 00:12:07,693 --> 00:12:10,213 Speaker 3: ribs on the ball, or are you sticking with what 243 00:12:10,333 --> 00:12:12,453 Speaker 3: you've had in the path and the you know, the 244 00:12:12,533 --> 00:12:14,133 Speaker 3: tried and true that has been successful at. 245 00:12:14,093 --> 00:12:16,933 Speaker 7: Times over here. It's kind of an interesting one. 246 00:12:16,933 --> 00:12:19,413 Speaker 6: I think sometimes the more you put on it doesn't 247 00:12:19,453 --> 00:12:22,653 Speaker 6: necessarily mean it the more it's going to spin. But 248 00:12:22,893 --> 00:12:25,453 Speaker 6: you know, we think Obviously, the accuracy is such an 249 00:12:25,453 --> 00:12:27,533 Speaker 6: important piece in this. I think we found that in 250 00:12:27,493 --> 00:12:31,253 Speaker 6: Sri Lanka, where it was more the kind of angle 251 00:12:31,293 --> 00:12:34,733 Speaker 6: of the seam was probably more important, you know, that 252 00:12:34,813 --> 00:12:37,213 Speaker 6: kind of traditional forty five over the top. In Sri Lanka, 253 00:12:37,613 --> 00:12:40,373 Speaker 6: I think it's more that kind of under kind of 254 00:12:40,453 --> 00:12:42,413 Speaker 6: side spin where one might you know, hit the leather 255 00:12:42,453 --> 00:12:43,973 Speaker 6: and skired and one might hit the corner of the 256 00:12:43,973 --> 00:12:45,773 Speaker 6: seaman go. So that's what we kind of talked about 257 00:12:45,813 --> 00:12:48,693 Speaker 6: here was obviously trying to put it in a good 258 00:12:48,733 --> 00:12:50,773 Speaker 6: area with with revs on it, but trying to make 259 00:12:50,773 --> 00:12:53,093 Speaker 6: sure that seems in a good position where it can 260 00:12:53,213 --> 00:12:54,933 Speaker 6: kind of go and also scared. 261 00:12:55,373 --> 00:12:58,613 Speaker 7: And as obviously as a better that's that's obviously a very. 262 00:13:00,053 --> 00:13:03,013 Speaker 6: Challenging aspect if one spins and you kind of think 263 00:13:03,053 --> 00:13:04,813 Speaker 6: they might spin, and then one will just shooting hit 264 00:13:04,853 --> 00:13:07,053 Speaker 6: you in the pad. So it might look bad on TV, 265 00:13:07,173 --> 00:13:09,173 Speaker 6: but it's probably the setup where the one spin and 266 00:13:09,173 --> 00:13:10,053 Speaker 6: then you get hitting the pad. 267 00:13:10,173 --> 00:13:13,973 Speaker 3: After that you played it on Katie before. Is there 268 00:13:14,013 --> 00:13:16,973 Speaker 3: any expectation within the side that there's going to be 269 00:13:17,053 --> 00:13:20,373 Speaker 3: some changes to the kind of pitch you're likely to face. 270 00:13:20,453 --> 00:13:23,213 Speaker 3: Do you think that they'll be prepared to make adjustments 271 00:13:23,253 --> 00:13:25,413 Speaker 3: because you've beating them in their conditions. 272 00:13:25,453 --> 00:13:29,133 Speaker 6: As you said previously, Well, I think the original commns 273 00:13:29,133 --> 00:13:32,093 Speaker 6: were to take the grass off of wan Ky as 274 00:13:32,093 --> 00:13:36,573 Speaker 6: well before this game. But I still think, you know, 275 00:13:36,613 --> 00:13:40,253 Speaker 6: that's probably the best best chance of still winning, and 276 00:13:40,293 --> 00:13:42,173 Speaker 6: these conditions they're so good at that, you know, it 277 00:13:42,693 --> 00:13:46,813 Speaker 6: makes the toss obviously quite important. But I think you 278 00:13:46,973 --> 00:13:50,093 Speaker 6: usually wanky can get more balanced. It's kind of traditionally 279 00:13:50,133 --> 00:13:52,813 Speaker 6: obviously red soil can go a little bit quicker and 280 00:13:53,053 --> 00:13:55,533 Speaker 6: go a bit, you know, more of the bounce. So 281 00:13:55,573 --> 00:13:58,053 Speaker 6: it might be more of that kind of New Zealand 282 00:13:58,093 --> 00:14:00,413 Speaker 6: style bowling, kind of trying to get more balanced, more 283 00:14:00,413 --> 00:14:02,613 Speaker 6: of the top, that kind of forty five degree scene. 284 00:14:02,693 --> 00:14:05,933 Speaker 6: But I guess we'll wait and see you where another 285 00:14:05,933 --> 00:14:08,853 Speaker 6: couple of days here and see what that pitch has 286 00:14:08,853 --> 00:14:10,133 Speaker 6: got for us in a cold day's time. 287 00:14:10,613 --> 00:14:13,773 Speaker 3: Was any one dismissal that gave you greater delight than 288 00:14:13,773 --> 00:14:14,173 Speaker 3: any other? 289 00:14:14,973 --> 00:14:17,933 Speaker 6: I guess it's always nice k cold out. Not The 290 00:14:17,933 --> 00:14:21,173 Speaker 6: first thing was a bet full, but I think the 291 00:14:21,213 --> 00:14:24,693 Speaker 6: second one was. I tried to kind of bowl on 292 00:14:24,693 --> 00:14:26,853 Speaker 6: the seam and get a couple go away and then 293 00:14:27,053 --> 00:14:29,213 Speaker 6: intentionally bowl across him to see if it would skid, 294 00:14:29,253 --> 00:14:32,093 Speaker 6: and it kind of stayed down and gathered pace. That 295 00:14:32,173 --> 00:14:34,413 Speaker 6: was that was quite pleasant. Yeah, I don't think he 296 00:14:34,453 --> 00:14:37,893 Speaker 6: was happy with the umpire's call, but you know, obviously 297 00:14:37,933 --> 00:14:39,453 Speaker 6: we were pretty happy because it was given out. 298 00:14:40,053 --> 00:14:41,333 Speaker 7: But yeah, he's. 299 00:14:42,613 --> 00:14:45,493 Speaker 6: We have good bans off the field as well, and 300 00:14:46,173 --> 00:14:47,733 Speaker 6: you know, I know he's I've got him out a 301 00:14:47,773 --> 00:14:49,293 Speaker 6: couple of times now and I think he's aware of that. 302 00:14:49,413 --> 00:14:52,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, no reason why he shouldn't celebrate a wicket of 303 00:14:52,413 --> 00:14:57,093 Speaker 3: a very colie and remind him of that. But it 304 00:14:57,133 --> 00:15:00,013 Speaker 3: was it was quite strange that, as he said, we 305 00:15:00,133 --> 00:15:04,333 Speaker 3: beat them at their own game, playing on spin. Perhaps 306 00:15:04,333 --> 00:15:07,613 Speaker 3: they should have just settled for an ordinary pitch without 307 00:15:07,933 --> 00:15:12,053 Speaker 3: trying to doctor at four spin bowling, which has been 308 00:15:12,093 --> 00:15:12,653 Speaker 3: their strength. 309 00:15:13,373 --> 00:15:16,813 Speaker 4: After the the first innings of New Zealand of two 310 00:15:16,813 --> 00:15:21,013 Speaker 4: fifty nine, you would think to yourself that the that 311 00:15:21,093 --> 00:15:24,893 Speaker 4: India would have gone to themselves well to fifty nine. Yeah, 312 00:15:25,013 --> 00:15:30,053 Speaker 4: that's okay. The ordinary formula would have been India goes out, 313 00:15:30,173 --> 00:15:34,453 Speaker 4: gets four hundred, leaves us a chase of to one 314 00:15:34,573 --> 00:15:37,893 Speaker 4: fifty to two hundred to get. We fall short and 315 00:15:37,933 --> 00:15:40,653 Speaker 4: they knocked the runs off. That's that's the well trodden route, 316 00:15:40,733 --> 00:15:46,173 Speaker 4: isn't it The time's past. What happened was Saudi bowls 317 00:15:46,253 --> 00:15:49,773 Speaker 4: Rowi Shama with an absolute little gem of a ball, 318 00:15:49,893 --> 00:15:53,293 Speaker 4: beautiful ball, and he seems to be revital like just 319 00:15:53,333 --> 00:15:56,253 Speaker 4: while I'm at it in terms of his demeanor in 320 00:15:56,293 --> 00:16:00,053 Speaker 4: the field, great last catch. He bowled a couple of 321 00:16:00,053 --> 00:16:06,533 Speaker 4: absolute beautiful balls. He knocked over Sharma and then there 322 00:16:06,573 --> 00:16:10,133 Speaker 4: were certain the bowling out coally with the most perplexing 323 00:16:10,373 --> 00:16:13,613 Speaker 4: sort of shot from Colie which was a push sweep 324 00:16:13,693 --> 00:16:17,933 Speaker 4: half volleys an ordinary course Colie shit has belted it 325 00:16:17,973 --> 00:16:21,293 Speaker 4: through the covers. That to me just stuck in my mind. 326 00:16:21,373 --> 00:16:24,253 Speaker 4: And then at that point you were under pressure. 327 00:16:25,013 --> 00:16:28,013 Speaker 5: Well he was just in two minds. I mean it 328 00:16:28,053 --> 00:16:30,533 Speaker 5: was semi a full toss, wasn't it. It was half full 329 00:16:30,613 --> 00:16:35,093 Speaker 5: toss and half dipping. And the bat path came from gully. 330 00:16:35,733 --> 00:16:38,013 Speaker 5: He looked at if he wanted to mow it to Mumbai, 331 00:16:38,813 --> 00:16:42,133 Speaker 5: and then he changed his mind and then wanted to 332 00:16:42,133 --> 00:16:47,413 Speaker 5: go straight. How can Kali go out to a first 333 00:16:47,493 --> 00:16:51,173 Speaker 5: ball in a Test match without playing wanting to play 334 00:16:51,173 --> 00:16:57,493 Speaker 5: it straight? To get himself even vaguely in what's happening 335 00:16:57,533 --> 00:17:01,933 Speaker 5: that he's caught between scuffing the ground and leaving the 336 00:17:02,013 --> 00:17:06,453 Speaker 5: air and getting bold. I don't know what you guys think, 337 00:17:06,813 --> 00:17:11,093 Speaker 5: but personally in today's tests, so I think qualities like 338 00:17:11,333 --> 00:17:15,733 Speaker 5: patience and seeing a bowler off in the heat. You know, 339 00:17:15,813 --> 00:17:20,013 Speaker 5: there's value sometimes in that because there's a danger. Perhaps 340 00:17:20,053 --> 00:17:22,413 Speaker 5: you know he can go longer and he's getting the 341 00:17:22,413 --> 00:17:25,213 Speaker 5: ball to do something or other. But to see somebody 342 00:17:25,253 --> 00:17:30,013 Speaker 5: off is out of the whole idea nowadays. It seems 343 00:17:30,013 --> 00:17:35,173 Speaker 5: to be an absorbing pressure from a bowler is not okay, 344 00:17:35,333 --> 00:17:37,213 Speaker 5: because what you've got to do is put the pressure 345 00:17:37,253 --> 00:17:41,133 Speaker 5: back on the bowling team. But that means a higher 346 00:17:41,173 --> 00:17:45,773 Speaker 5: level of risk. So the value of staying in is 347 00:17:45,813 --> 00:17:51,253 Speaker 5: not quite seen as a virtue nowadays. And I think certainly, 348 00:17:51,773 --> 00:17:56,693 Speaker 5: you know from India, we are seeing you know, lots 349 00:17:56,693 --> 00:18:01,733 Speaker 5: of players committing naturally enough to twenty twenty and it 350 00:18:01,813 --> 00:18:06,773 Speaker 5: comes at a cost. Really, I think, I mean, why 351 00:18:06,813 --> 00:18:09,973 Speaker 5: has it happened? We probably we all know it's not 352 00:18:10,013 --> 00:18:14,173 Speaker 5: the player's fault. Really, Cricket boards now aren't just a 353 00:18:14,333 --> 00:18:18,293 Speaker 5: guardian of the game where you put your arms around cricket. 354 00:18:18,853 --> 00:18:23,253 Speaker 5: It's not that they have now become businesses, so they 355 00:18:23,733 --> 00:18:28,053 Speaker 5: compete with broadcasting rights, and they want money to pay, 356 00:18:28,093 --> 00:18:30,813 Speaker 5: and they seek money to pay players and all sorts 357 00:18:30,853 --> 00:18:36,413 Speaker 5: of other things. And the players now I think their 358 00:18:36,453 --> 00:18:40,813 Speaker 5: test skills are diminished because of that, and they let 359 00:18:41,373 --> 00:18:44,013 Speaker 5: letting the ball go. No, they don't like to do 360 00:18:44,093 --> 00:18:48,293 Speaker 5: that too much. Bat and paired together not quite so 361 00:18:48,333 --> 00:18:51,773 Speaker 5: good at it. The shape above the ball, hitting the ball, 362 00:18:51,893 --> 00:18:55,133 Speaker 5: for one. It's all those kinds of things that are 363 00:18:55,173 --> 00:18:58,493 Speaker 5: not quite there. Now they become less important, and you 364 00:18:58,613 --> 00:19:02,093 Speaker 5: tuck them away in the spare room with your old furniture. 365 00:19:02,813 --> 00:19:07,693 Speaker 5: And now batsmen trust attack more than they do their defense, 366 00:19:08,533 --> 00:19:11,773 Speaker 5: more comfortable reverse sweeping than they are playing a forward defense. 367 00:19:11,853 --> 00:19:13,533 Speaker 2: I don't blame the players. 368 00:19:13,773 --> 00:19:16,653 Speaker 5: It's just part of this huge shift in the game, 369 00:19:17,293 --> 00:19:18,653 Speaker 5: and it has a knock on effect. 370 00:19:18,733 --> 00:19:24,573 Speaker 4: You make the point around Collie not waiting and not 371 00:19:24,653 --> 00:19:28,053 Speaker 4: giving himself a chance to which in previous times that 372 00:19:28,653 --> 00:19:31,693 Speaker 4: over his career he's done. I can trust that with 373 00:19:31,893 --> 00:19:36,253 Speaker 4: Latham's really very important knock in the second innings, he 374 00:19:36,373 --> 00:19:40,973 Speaker 4: was patient, but he also used the reverse sweep and 375 00:19:41,013 --> 00:19:45,053 Speaker 4: he lapped the spinners, putting pressure back on the Indian spinners. 376 00:19:45,253 --> 00:19:48,933 Speaker 4: But he seemed to use those shots in a much 377 00:19:48,973 --> 00:19:52,413 Speaker 4: more considered way where the ball was pitching outside his 378 00:19:53,133 --> 00:19:55,773 Speaker 4: leg stumped to reverse sweep it, so he took the 379 00:19:55,853 --> 00:19:58,173 Speaker 4: letter the l w out of the way. I thought 380 00:19:58,213 --> 00:20:03,333 Speaker 4: that was probably, apart from SATs wonderful innings, that was 381 00:20:03,333 --> 00:20:07,133 Speaker 4: probably the most critical innings where he played got that 382 00:20:07,213 --> 00:20:12,173 Speaker 4: eighty yard, but there was contributions all through and built 383 00:20:12,213 --> 00:20:15,133 Speaker 4: partnerships of twenties and thirties to get the total up. 384 00:20:15,573 --> 00:20:18,373 Speaker 4: That was just a fabulous knock and what Latham did 385 00:20:18,893 --> 00:20:23,933 Speaker 4: was he did put the pressure back on Judaisha and co. 386 00:20:24,973 --> 00:20:28,013 Speaker 4: That was a fabulous knock and that contrasted with what 387 00:20:28,093 --> 00:20:30,853 Speaker 4: we saw from India which was quite the reverse. 388 00:20:30,933 --> 00:20:37,533 Speaker 3: Really totally terminations that needs skill with the bat. The 389 00:20:37,573 --> 00:20:40,653 Speaker 3: story about Mitchell Santner is an interesting one. Nice to 390 00:20:40,693 --> 00:20:44,893 Speaker 3: hear him enjoying the success. But we wouldn't have picked 391 00:20:44,973 --> 00:20:48,053 Speaker 3: him as a thirteen wicket man. We weren't picking him 392 00:20:48,053 --> 00:20:50,853 Speaker 3: in the team before that Test match. And then he's 393 00:20:50,973 --> 00:20:52,493 Speaker 3: just spun New Zealand of victory. 394 00:20:52,573 --> 00:20:52,853 Speaker 4: Jerry. 395 00:20:53,213 --> 00:20:54,573 Speaker 2: That's extraordinary, isn't it. 396 00:20:54,573 --> 00:20:57,053 Speaker 5: It'll be known as Santler's Test and people will know 397 00:20:57,133 --> 00:21:00,893 Speaker 5: immediately what you're talking about it's come so out of 398 00:21:00,933 --> 00:21:03,213 Speaker 5: the blue, hasn't it. I mean, he's not really a 399 00:21:03,253 --> 00:21:06,373 Speaker 5: regular in our red ball team. He is, he's certainly 400 00:21:06,413 --> 00:21:09,733 Speaker 5: a mainstay in our white ball crew. He didn't play 401 00:21:09,773 --> 00:21:13,613 Speaker 5: the last Test in Bengaluru. He played two Tests in 402 00:21:14,013 --> 00:21:16,493 Speaker 5: Sri Lanka and got one for one hundred and ninety seven. 403 00:21:16,853 --> 00:21:19,893 Speaker 5: But you know, it's just in the last five years 404 00:21:19,893 --> 00:21:23,813 Speaker 5: he's only played seven Tests for New Zealand, so he 405 00:21:23,853 --> 00:21:27,773 Speaker 5: doesn't play much. But he in six of his seven 406 00:21:28,853 --> 00:21:33,933 Speaker 5: wickets in the first innings were either bold or LBW 407 00:21:34,813 --> 00:21:37,773 Speaker 5: so I think we can say there quite comfortably. He 408 00:21:37,813 --> 00:21:41,213 Speaker 5: attacked the stumps, that's the first thing. Second thing I 409 00:21:41,253 --> 00:21:44,533 Speaker 5: think is he got some assistance from the pitch. Some 410 00:21:44,573 --> 00:21:47,693 Speaker 5: were turning a bit more, some went straight on, some 411 00:21:47,853 --> 00:21:50,293 Speaker 5: bounced a bit more, some just squatted and kept a 412 00:21:50,293 --> 00:21:54,533 Speaker 5: bit low, didn't they. He was very consistent, very accurate, 413 00:21:54,653 --> 00:21:57,413 Speaker 5: landing it not on just an area as players talk 414 00:21:57,493 --> 00:22:01,173 Speaker 5: about in the right area. It was even less than that. 415 00:22:01,253 --> 00:22:02,653 Speaker 2: A couple of tee towels. 416 00:22:03,533 --> 00:22:07,293 Speaker 5: And he's very good at changes of pace from his 417 00:22:07,373 --> 00:22:11,413 Speaker 5: one day cricket, so flight speed, and he's also a 418 00:22:11,413 --> 00:22:14,013 Speaker 5: bit of an angle. He gets out wide to the 419 00:22:14,093 --> 00:22:18,093 Speaker 5: right handers, and so he gets two angles, one coming 420 00:22:18,133 --> 00:22:21,333 Speaker 5: in from outside your eye line, drags you across a 421 00:22:21,333 --> 00:22:25,093 Speaker 5: bit into the stumps, and then gets it to turn 422 00:22:25,133 --> 00:22:26,893 Speaker 5: and hold its line. 423 00:22:26,453 --> 00:22:28,093 Speaker 2: And then other than. 424 00:22:27,973 --> 00:22:33,373 Speaker 5: That he gets you know, variations of projectory. And I 425 00:22:33,493 --> 00:22:37,053 Speaker 5: thought he also was chart starting to change the angle 426 00:22:37,093 --> 00:22:40,133 Speaker 5: of the scene. That was really important too as well 427 00:22:40,213 --> 00:22:43,493 Speaker 5: that the variety of amount of turn that you can 428 00:22:43,573 --> 00:22:49,933 Speaker 5: get there. So all those things added up and he 429 00:22:50,053 --> 00:22:53,013 Speaker 5: just he got more confidence. I think wicket after wicket, 430 00:22:53,093 --> 00:22:54,893 Speaker 5: and I think he said that, And. 431 00:22:54,853 --> 00:22:56,893 Speaker 4: When do you think is the last time he bowled 432 00:22:57,333 --> 00:23:01,133 Speaker 4: twenty nine overs straight? I doubt they, but not even 433 00:23:01,133 --> 00:23:04,013 Speaker 4: in his first class career, So that I mean that 434 00:23:04,133 --> 00:23:09,293 Speaker 4: to me, it's a testament to to Mitchell said, now 435 00:23:09,333 --> 00:23:13,213 Speaker 4: you've just got to take hats off, and you're right, Jerry, 436 00:23:13,253 --> 00:23:17,733 Speaker 4: he did ball beautifully and then he did start moving 437 00:23:17,973 --> 00:23:20,933 Speaker 4: the the the angle of the scene, which means that 438 00:23:21,213 --> 00:23:23,573 Speaker 4: you know, I grips on the scene, it'll take more. 439 00:23:23,933 --> 00:23:26,053 Speaker 4: But if it hits the open side, if you will, 440 00:23:26,333 --> 00:23:28,773 Speaker 4: it can just drift on and which is probably the 441 00:23:28,773 --> 00:23:31,293 Speaker 4: most dangerous ball that you bowl, because the one that 442 00:23:31,373 --> 00:23:34,853 Speaker 4: keeps going with the arm. He was He had it 443 00:23:34,893 --> 00:23:39,173 Speaker 4: all and as you say, if you missed, he hit 444 00:23:40,053 --> 00:23:46,893 Speaker 4: and that was crucial. Whereas contrast, Ajas Patal unfortunately is 445 00:23:46,933 --> 00:23:50,293 Speaker 4: not in the groove. He gives you four balls and 446 00:23:50,733 --> 00:23:55,013 Speaker 4: hence wasn't bold as much. No, I thought Mitchell sat 447 00:23:55,013 --> 00:23:57,893 Speaker 4: And was fantastic and then pretty well supported by Glenn 448 00:23:57,933 --> 00:24:01,333 Speaker 4: Phillips who's seems to be growing into the role a bit. 449 00:24:02,533 --> 00:24:06,773 Speaker 4: And both of them of course got very handy runs. 450 00:24:06,813 --> 00:24:12,213 Speaker 3: Interesting, I asked Mitchell Santner about having rung on A here. Well, 451 00:24:12,213 --> 00:24:15,213 Speaker 3: they've had seclaim Mushtak with them in the past. If 452 00:24:15,253 --> 00:24:19,573 Speaker 3: we want our spin bowlers to be successful along with 453 00:24:19,613 --> 00:24:23,493 Speaker 3: our seemers, perhaps we should have more spin bowling coaches 454 00:24:23,573 --> 00:24:29,333 Speaker 3: with them. He says sentences that he's enjoyed discussing spin 455 00:24:29,413 --> 00:24:32,333 Speaker 3: bowling with rung on A Here. We haven't done that 456 00:24:32,373 --> 00:24:35,333 Speaker 3: in the past, have we. We've always used a seam 457 00:24:35,373 --> 00:24:38,693 Speaker 3: bowling coach to be our spin bowling coach as well. 458 00:24:38,813 --> 00:24:41,293 Speaker 3: It's a different art, isn't it. 459 00:24:41,733 --> 00:24:45,653 Speaker 5: Rungin a Herath was a lovely flight bowl and changes 460 00:24:45,693 --> 00:24:49,973 Speaker 5: of pace which kind of suits Satna's skills as well, 461 00:24:50,013 --> 00:24:53,293 Speaker 5: doesn't it, Especially the changes of pace it makes sense 462 00:24:53,373 --> 00:24:56,853 Speaker 5: wads to have someone of that, you know, having a 463 00:24:57,013 --> 00:25:00,973 Speaker 5: history of doing those things that our players can listen to. 464 00:25:01,093 --> 00:25:04,733 Speaker 5: I think must be a huge, huge assistance that they 465 00:25:04,733 --> 00:25:07,773 Speaker 5: can go along and listen to what he's got to 466 00:25:07,813 --> 00:25:11,173 Speaker 5: say in the comments about their bowling. I also think 467 00:25:11,533 --> 00:25:14,973 Speaker 5: Moose is right about ajs Pttel not quite at his best. 468 00:25:15,533 --> 00:25:18,653 Speaker 5: Just seems to be rolling the ball out. 469 00:25:18,653 --> 00:25:18,813 Speaker 2: Now. 470 00:25:18,813 --> 00:25:21,733 Speaker 5: Whether that's I saw his legs strapped. His front legs 471 00:25:21,773 --> 00:25:24,173 Speaker 5: are strapped quite a lot now. Whether that's a problem 472 00:25:24,173 --> 00:25:27,493 Speaker 5: he can't get over that, I don't know, but certainly 473 00:25:27,573 --> 00:25:29,253 Speaker 5: he's not getting the link. 474 00:25:29,333 --> 00:25:31,653 Speaker 2: He hasn't got a stock ball, put it. 475 00:25:31,573 --> 00:25:34,493 Speaker 5: That way, and he's bowling a little bit too full 476 00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:38,373 Speaker 5: and not giving the natural variations from the pitch a chance. 477 00:25:38,933 --> 00:25:41,453 Speaker 2: So it was very important from that point of view. 478 00:25:42,133 --> 00:25:44,973 Speaker 3: How do you sustain it through the next Test match then, 479 00:25:45,013 --> 00:25:47,973 Speaker 3: because as Mitchell Santa says, they're expecting the pitch to 480 00:25:48,013 --> 00:25:52,453 Speaker 3: be shaved of grass and dry and there. But I mean, 481 00:25:53,333 --> 00:25:55,893 Speaker 3: you can't do that if you're Indian now because they've 482 00:25:56,253 --> 00:25:59,333 Speaker 3: they've lost the game against spinners, haven't they. 483 00:25:59,893 --> 00:26:01,973 Speaker 4: What would you do it when you've got when you've 484 00:26:01,973 --> 00:26:07,813 Speaker 4: got boomera in your team exactly. You know, it's a 485 00:26:07,813 --> 00:26:10,133 Speaker 4: bit of a h scratching for me because I've got Boom, 486 00:26:11,733 --> 00:26:16,893 Speaker 4: I've got some decent quicks that that are a justice 487 00:26:16,893 --> 00:26:21,013 Speaker 4: potent on on on quick and seeming decks. They don't 488 00:26:21,093 --> 00:26:22,893 Speaker 4: need to go that way, would be the point I 489 00:26:22,933 --> 00:26:27,253 Speaker 4: would make. I did think the introduction of Washington Sundar 490 00:26:27,413 --> 00:26:29,373 Speaker 4: is very interesting, not having played for three and a 491 00:26:29,413 --> 00:26:35,453 Speaker 4: half years, since he contributed greatly in that Australia series, 492 00:26:35,533 --> 00:26:38,853 Speaker 4: that Indie year one. Perhaps he's born in for that 493 00:26:38,973 --> 00:26:42,133 Speaker 4: very reason. He might be going to Australia. But I know, 494 00:26:42,573 --> 00:26:45,253 Speaker 4: I'm perplexed, why why they, why they why they would 495 00:26:45,253 --> 00:26:48,413 Speaker 4: want to turn it into a track that's kind of 496 00:26:48,413 --> 00:26:52,133 Speaker 4: turn square from from the first session. It's baffling to 497 00:26:52,173 --> 00:26:54,533 Speaker 4: me because it hasn't worked in the last one. 498 00:26:55,213 --> 00:27:00,373 Speaker 5: One KD and Mumbai is the is the venue and 499 00:27:00,413 --> 00:27:06,013 Speaker 5: the ground that's a red clay pitch different from the 500 00:27:06,093 --> 00:27:10,253 Speaker 5: last one at Puna which they talk about, and those 501 00:27:10,253 --> 00:27:12,733 Speaker 5: are the two types of pitchures. They don't actually look 502 00:27:12,813 --> 00:27:17,453 Speaker 5: black and red, but the way they behave is slightly different. 503 00:27:17,973 --> 00:27:23,533 Speaker 5: There's more play in the last one from Pune that 504 00:27:23,653 --> 00:27:26,013 Speaker 5: means it can absorb more moisture, although who knows how 505 00:27:26,093 --> 00:27:30,573 Speaker 5: much water they put in that pitch. It normally turns 506 00:27:30,693 --> 00:27:33,733 Speaker 5: much earlier, is one of the features of that and 507 00:27:33,773 --> 00:27:36,893 Speaker 5: it keeps going. You find the red clay which New 508 00:27:37,013 --> 00:27:41,213 Speaker 5: Zealand are about to confront in Mumbai. It takes a 509 00:27:41,253 --> 00:27:44,453 Speaker 5: little longer and suit to break up or to spin, 510 00:27:45,293 --> 00:27:48,613 Speaker 5: but then once it does, it starts to obviously turn. 511 00:27:48,853 --> 00:27:51,933 Speaker 5: And then also the faster bowlers get a bit more bounced, 512 00:27:51,933 --> 00:27:55,613 Speaker 5: So it's more like Bengaluru than Pune. 513 00:27:56,653 --> 00:28:00,173 Speaker 3: What do you do if you're the England coach Jerry 514 00:28:00,653 --> 00:28:03,773 Speaker 3: baseball doesn't seem to be working in Pakistan? 515 00:28:06,493 --> 00:28:07,653 Speaker 4: No will it? 516 00:28:07,653 --> 00:28:10,413 Speaker 2: It works work quite well in the first Test. 517 00:28:11,613 --> 00:28:17,693 Speaker 5: Eight hundred, we don't normally see that, you know, Brooke 518 00:28:17,733 --> 00:28:21,573 Speaker 5: getting three of them and Route getting sort of one 519 00:28:22,053 --> 00:28:25,733 Speaker 5: and two thirds so or was it two in a bit? 520 00:28:26,253 --> 00:28:26,693 Speaker 2: I don't know. 521 00:28:27,333 --> 00:28:30,213 Speaker 5: Doing a bit you can't I don't think you can 522 00:28:30,333 --> 00:28:34,973 Speaker 5: just dismiss. One of the beauties of Test cricket to 523 00:28:35,013 --> 00:28:38,373 Speaker 5: me is that there are different conditions around the world 524 00:28:39,053 --> 00:28:41,573 Speaker 5: and you have to adjust to it, and there are 525 00:28:41,573 --> 00:28:43,973 Speaker 5: different ways of playing and being successful on. 526 00:28:43,933 --> 00:28:46,613 Speaker 2: All of them. But you have to adjust. 527 00:28:46,813 --> 00:28:50,253 Speaker 5: You can't just have one way to play and say, 528 00:28:50,293 --> 00:28:54,253 Speaker 5: here is the universal answer. I understand what they're trying 529 00:28:54,253 --> 00:28:57,053 Speaker 5: to do, but you cannot do that. You've got to 530 00:28:57,093 --> 00:29:00,093 Speaker 5: make sense about the way you play and match up 531 00:29:00,653 --> 00:29:04,173 Speaker 5: with the conditions. They are not prepared, as I was saying, 532 00:29:04,493 --> 00:29:07,853 Speaker 5: to take single after single after single. They want fours, 533 00:29:08,013 --> 00:29:11,533 Speaker 5: they want sixers, and I think that's a result of 534 00:29:11,613 --> 00:29:15,293 Speaker 5: the amount of you know, of the twenty twenty format 535 00:29:15,333 --> 00:29:20,133 Speaker 5: that we're getting, and so you can't score as quickly 536 00:29:20,373 --> 00:29:25,373 Speaker 5: on those pictures wads, and so they've produced months and 537 00:29:25,453 --> 00:29:29,613 Speaker 5: burners and they've found a couple of spinners who are 538 00:29:29,613 --> 00:29:30,493 Speaker 5: doing the jobs. 539 00:29:30,613 --> 00:29:32,853 Speaker 2: So you've got to take your time. 540 00:29:33,533 --> 00:29:36,853 Speaker 5: You've got to adapt to what you're doing. 541 00:29:37,253 --> 00:29:41,053 Speaker 2: You can't just push all that stuff from the past. 542 00:29:41,133 --> 00:29:45,813 Speaker 2: How long have we been playing test cricket? Ages? Ages 543 00:29:46,373 --> 00:29:47,453 Speaker 2: and certain. 544 00:29:47,253 --> 00:29:51,133 Speaker 5: Rules apply, and if you want to forget all those 545 00:29:51,173 --> 00:29:54,093 Speaker 5: and rewrite them all, there is a cost. 546 00:29:54,613 --> 00:29:58,333 Speaker 2: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot. 547 00:29:58,613 --> 00:30:03,053 Speaker 3: Well, credit to the black Caps for a remarkable when 548 00:30:03,293 --> 00:30:07,253 Speaker 3: in the series in India. Not such a lot of 549 00:30:07,293 --> 00:30:10,733 Speaker 3: credit after their lank and performance, but you know, they 550 00:30:10,813 --> 00:30:15,013 Speaker 3: faced the adversity and they put the performance on board 551 00:30:15,173 --> 00:30:18,853 Speaker 3: that has needed from them, and there's been adversity from 552 00:30:19,053 --> 00:30:23,533 Speaker 3: the women's team as well. They fought through it too, Jerry. 553 00:30:23,613 --> 00:30:27,413 Speaker 3: They won the T twenty World Cup. They've won one 554 00:30:27,533 --> 00:30:30,893 Speaker 3: of two games ODO. I what a tough assignment to 555 00:30:31,013 --> 00:30:33,253 Speaker 3: win a World Cup and then have to go and 556 00:30:33,293 --> 00:30:37,293 Speaker 3: play three odii's in India over a space of seven 557 00:30:37,533 --> 00:30:43,133 Speaker 3: or eight days. But they've certainly made dramatic progress, albeit 558 00:30:43,733 --> 00:30:45,053 Speaker 3: through tough times. 559 00:30:46,093 --> 00:30:49,773 Speaker 5: Look that twenty twenty World Cup win was was even 560 00:30:49,853 --> 00:30:57,533 Speaker 5: more experience, you know, more extraordinary and unexpected now than 561 00:30:57,573 --> 00:31:01,293 Speaker 5: the men beating India. Really, they were just so far 562 00:31:01,333 --> 00:31:04,173 Speaker 5: away from looking a threat to other sides, but they 563 00:31:04,333 --> 00:31:09,493 Speaker 5: got through that brilliantly. Certain players, it seems I don't 564 00:31:09,533 --> 00:31:13,373 Speaker 5: know what you think. The team seems to me and 565 00:31:13,413 --> 00:31:18,973 Speaker 5: I watched I'm afraid only the middle game against India, 566 00:31:19,373 --> 00:31:21,893 Speaker 5: which was the one that the New Zealand women won. 567 00:31:22,573 --> 00:31:25,173 Speaker 5: I just think they've straightened up their game of cricket. 568 00:31:26,133 --> 00:31:30,293 Speaker 5: They're batting for fifty overs if it's an ODI game, 569 00:31:30,373 --> 00:31:33,373 Speaker 5: or they're batting twenty overs if it's a twenty over match, 570 00:31:33,573 --> 00:31:36,373 Speaker 5: which was not the way that they were approaching it 571 00:31:36,493 --> 00:31:39,933 Speaker 5: earlier and by straightening the game up. I think they're 572 00:31:40,013 --> 00:31:44,013 Speaker 5: using different areas of the field, down the ground, through 573 00:31:44,013 --> 00:31:44,533 Speaker 5: the covers. 574 00:31:44,533 --> 00:31:45,213 Speaker 2: Occasionally. 575 00:31:45,613 --> 00:31:48,533 Speaker 5: They've always played the cut, and if you start driving well, 576 00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:50,853 Speaker 5: you're going to get some more cuts because the bowler 577 00:31:50,893 --> 00:31:54,613 Speaker 5: will shorten their length and they've still got the power 578 00:31:54,613 --> 00:31:55,533 Speaker 5: in the leg side. 579 00:31:56,093 --> 00:31:57,733 Speaker 2: They're taking more catches. 580 00:31:58,133 --> 00:32:00,613 Speaker 5: They seem I mean, I don't know what you think was, 581 00:32:00,693 --> 00:32:03,933 Speaker 5: but they seem to me to be just a stronger 582 00:32:04,053 --> 00:32:06,333 Speaker 5: side and the better side and the harder team to beat. 583 00:32:06,853 --> 00:32:09,653 Speaker 3: Yeah, and some of the players that you might not 584 00:32:09,773 --> 00:32:14,973 Speaker 3: have expected to deliver are starting to deliver. And Peter, 585 00:32:15,533 --> 00:32:19,813 Speaker 3: I'm sure you have noticed the performances of the white Ferns, 586 00:32:20,613 --> 00:32:23,213 Speaker 3: the likes of Georgia Plumber. She had a long time 587 00:32:23,293 --> 00:32:27,013 Speaker 3: where you know, she got ten and that was her lot. 588 00:32:28,813 --> 00:32:31,133 Speaker 3: Brook Halliday is now starting to get runs on a 589 00:32:31,173 --> 00:32:36,333 Speaker 3: more consistent basis. They're not relying on baits, divine, et cetera. 590 00:32:36,613 --> 00:32:38,613 Speaker 3: There was no cur in the last game because she 591 00:32:38,733 --> 00:32:41,613 Speaker 3: came home injured. So they are spreading the net a 592 00:32:41,653 --> 00:32:44,453 Speaker 3: little bit wider and asking some of the lesser experienced 593 00:32:44,453 --> 00:32:48,013 Speaker 3: players to deliver. And I think that's coming good for them, isn't. 594 00:32:47,813 --> 00:32:53,133 Speaker 4: It there would appear to be a greater level of 595 00:32:53,693 --> 00:32:57,053 Speaker 4: belief and self belief, and perhaps it was that they 596 00:32:57,093 --> 00:33:00,853 Speaker 4: played the two best teams for so long and then 597 00:33:01,373 --> 00:33:05,253 Speaker 4: took a lot out of it. Yeah, contribution from Plumber 598 00:33:05,293 --> 00:33:11,173 Speaker 4: Holiday Green gays. That's the encouraging bit because apart from 599 00:33:11,213 --> 00:33:14,333 Speaker 4: in the second match, which is in one where both 600 00:33:15,053 --> 00:33:18,133 Speaker 4: Bats and Divine got runs, they didn't in the other two. 601 00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:24,093 Speaker 4: So these the younger Brotheragades so called, stepped up and 602 00:33:24,653 --> 00:33:28,293 Speaker 4: that has to be heartening. And I think self belief 603 00:33:28,333 --> 00:33:30,973 Speaker 4: is probably the most important bit. They can now know 604 00:33:31,133 --> 00:33:33,573 Speaker 4: that they can foot it there with the with the best, 605 00:33:34,093 --> 00:33:38,133 Speaker 4: and I think that aug as well. Frankly, so I know. 606 00:33:38,493 --> 00:33:42,373 Speaker 4: I think they come home heads held high, no question. 607 00:33:42,933 --> 00:33:47,413 Speaker 4: And again we might not have picked it at the start. 608 00:33:47,613 --> 00:33:52,093 Speaker 3: No, yeah, clearly. See clearly it seems that Kiera is 609 00:33:52,093 --> 00:33:56,813 Speaker 3: going to take over the captaincy and one hopes that 610 00:33:57,373 --> 00:34:03,493 Speaker 3: she doesn't carry the important role of being captain batting 611 00:34:04,053 --> 00:34:09,653 Speaker 3: bowling and too much pressure that can can pay a 612 00:34:09,733 --> 00:34:12,373 Speaker 3: part in terms of a team performance. 613 00:34:12,613 --> 00:34:18,053 Speaker 5: Jerry, Yeah, you don't want Amelia occur to be burdened, 614 00:34:18,933 --> 00:34:24,093 Speaker 5: do you. There's been a bit of chat about baits 615 00:34:24,133 --> 00:34:28,213 Speaker 5: and divine and to who who the grandma's they call them, 616 00:34:28,253 --> 00:34:33,333 Speaker 5: don't they affectionately that they won't be playing too much longer. 617 00:34:33,333 --> 00:34:36,333 Speaker 5: But you know the way they're they're they're they're getting 618 00:34:36,413 --> 00:34:38,773 Speaker 5: their thirties and their forties. And if you're baits and 619 00:34:39,133 --> 00:34:41,853 Speaker 5: batting up in the power play in the field at 620 00:34:41,933 --> 00:34:47,013 Speaker 5: midwike atter quite a lot. She's doing the business and 621 00:34:47,013 --> 00:34:51,053 Speaker 5: and so as divine divines still got the power and 622 00:34:51,133 --> 00:34:54,933 Speaker 5: as you know, you might say, is but she's straightly 623 00:34:55,013 --> 00:34:57,813 Speaker 5: she's changing her game game as well. She's still learning 624 00:34:58,333 --> 00:35:01,813 Speaker 5: and to who who looks very keen, still doesn't she 625 00:35:01,933 --> 00:35:04,893 Speaker 5: So but you add those other players that Moose has mentioned, 626 00:35:04,933 --> 00:35:08,213 Speaker 5: I mean, I thought Rosemary Mayor you know, she's she 627 00:35:08,573 --> 00:35:11,933 Speaker 5: come back into the game after after an injury. 628 00:35:13,693 --> 00:35:16,013 Speaker 2: I mean, is he gaze seems. 629 00:35:15,653 --> 00:35:18,293 Speaker 5: A little more down the order with the batting and 630 00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:21,973 Speaker 5: you know, playing her variety of shots, you know, reverse 631 00:35:22,053 --> 00:35:24,773 Speaker 5: sweeps and ramps and those kinds of things that she's 632 00:35:25,253 --> 00:35:29,733 Speaker 5: she has a crack at. I think Parson and Jonas 633 00:35:29,773 --> 00:35:32,653 Speaker 5: have played a part with the spinners to help ameliaccur. 634 00:35:33,453 --> 00:35:35,773 Speaker 5: So it's not on her all on her shoulders there. 635 00:35:36,133 --> 00:35:41,613 Speaker 5: So this is this is a new level confidence from 636 00:35:41,613 --> 00:35:46,533 Speaker 5: the team. Let's hope they love it and that and 637 00:35:46,573 --> 00:35:50,893 Speaker 5: it pushes them all forward together and that there are 638 00:35:51,053 --> 00:35:54,253 Speaker 5: levels now of where we don't go belot beyond we 639 00:35:54,333 --> 00:35:57,933 Speaker 5: do not go down there again. And and this is 640 00:35:57,973 --> 00:36:03,293 Speaker 5: the new level we accept of standards. So that's great 641 00:36:03,653 --> 00:36:06,933 Speaker 5: and it's wonderful to see them enjoying the game and 642 00:36:07,013 --> 00:36:09,613 Speaker 5: at the same time playing better at improving. 643 00:36:11,253 --> 00:36:13,973 Speaker 3: Yeah, all important things, and we will look forward to 644 00:36:14,013 --> 00:36:19,133 Speaker 3: welcoming them home. I hope they get a welcome and 645 00:36:19,213 --> 00:36:22,653 Speaker 3: a celebration from New Zealand Crickets. When New Zealand won 646 00:36:22,733 --> 00:36:26,053 Speaker 3: the Test Championship Mace, they carried that round the country. 647 00:36:26,253 --> 00:36:29,453 Speaker 3: No reason why the women shouldn't go round and exhibit 648 00:36:29,733 --> 00:36:33,013 Speaker 3: what they have won and enjoy the period back at 649 00:36:33,013 --> 00:36:35,773 Speaker 3: home rather than just the period of time they spent 650 00:36:36,133 --> 00:36:41,133 Speaker 3: in India and in Dubai to provide them the memories. 651 00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:44,373 Speaker 3: It looks like we're heading towards an interesting summer for 652 00:36:44,533 --> 00:36:47,773 Speaker 3: our women's team as well, so that is something we 653 00:36:47,813 --> 00:36:51,053 Speaker 3: can be excited about, as can be the final Test 654 00:36:51,093 --> 00:36:54,653 Speaker 3: match in India and then the return home for the 655 00:36:55,173 --> 00:36:59,573 Speaker 3: black Caps to play against the bas Ball champions. When 656 00:36:59,613 --> 00:37:03,133 Speaker 3: they get here in a month or so. Peter Holland, 657 00:37:03,173 --> 00:37:06,133 Speaker 3: thank you very much for joining us once again. Love 658 00:37:06,173 --> 00:37:08,733 Speaker 3: to have your comments and look forward to having you 659 00:37:08,933 --> 00:37:12,213 Speaker 3: join us again. I want you to get that camera 660 00:37:12,373 --> 00:37:17,933 Speaker 3: on your laptop improved. It's a rather hazy, untidy look, 661 00:37:17,973 --> 00:37:21,653 Speaker 3: although it's probably not a bad view because we can't 662 00:37:21,773 --> 00:37:23,653 Speaker 3: see Cody, which is even better. 663 00:37:25,933 --> 00:37:26,773 Speaker 4: What's very quickly? 664 00:37:28,253 --> 00:37:30,053 Speaker 3: You're not going to ask me another You're not going 665 00:37:30,133 --> 00:37:32,133 Speaker 3: to ask me another teaser? Are you? 666 00:37:32,173 --> 00:37:32,573 Speaker 4: No? No? 667 00:37:32,573 --> 00:37:32,773 Speaker 2: No? 668 00:37:32,853 --> 00:37:36,493 Speaker 4: If I'm New Zealand cricket, isn't this one of the 669 00:37:36,493 --> 00:37:41,053 Speaker 4: most interesting moments in recent times? The two two nil 670 00:37:41,133 --> 00:37:46,173 Speaker 4: series went against India is making everyone sit up. Hopefully 671 00:37:46,173 --> 00:37:49,813 Speaker 4: there's some commercial benefit that comes out of that and 672 00:37:49,933 --> 00:37:53,813 Speaker 4: potential benefit. Maybe we get into your back here sooner 673 00:37:53,813 --> 00:37:56,413 Speaker 4: than we would have otherwise thought, I don't know, throw 674 00:37:56,453 --> 00:37:56,893 Speaker 4: it out there. 675 00:37:58,013 --> 00:38:01,533 Speaker 3: Yeah, good points, and you would hope that there is 676 00:38:01,733 --> 00:38:07,693 Speaker 3: commercial benefit for a side that has performed above and beyond. Jerry, 677 00:38:07,733 --> 00:38:10,093 Speaker 3: you'll be looking for to the Test match some more 678 00:38:10,773 --> 00:38:14,613 Speaker 3: late nights. We'll be able to discuss the series in 679 00:38:14,893 --> 00:38:20,333 Speaker 3: a week's time after we've beaten India three mil. 680 00:38:21,333 --> 00:38:25,413 Speaker 5: Oh, that would be even better. That might even bring 681 00:38:25,493 --> 00:38:27,853 Speaker 5: some sunshine to Wellington Wads. I've been here for a 682 00:38:27,853 --> 00:38:31,053 Speaker 5: couple of weeks now and uh it's been it's been 683 00:38:31,093 --> 00:38:35,053 Speaker 5: pretty messy at times, either or by through wind that's 684 00:38:35,093 --> 00:38:39,613 Speaker 5: not my own, that's from outside exterior and also. 685 00:38:40,773 --> 00:38:41,933 Speaker 2: You know, also the rain. 686 00:38:42,173 --> 00:38:44,573 Speaker 3: Thanks of your time, Jerry and mind when. 687 00:38:47,653 --> 00:38:48,013 Speaker 2: Summer. 688 00:38:54,893 --> 00:38:57,533 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks ed B listen live on 689 00:38:57,613 --> 00:39:00,573 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 690 00:39:00,613 --> 00:39:03,213 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on IAR Radio.