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Speaker 1: Is this the foreshore and CBD two point zero a

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Speaker 1: Hekoi is a national hikoy is getting underway this morning.

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Speaker 1: It's starting at the portzaheim Ata in the far North.

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Speaker 1: It's going to arrive Parliament Grounds nineteenth of November. It

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Speaker 1: will come through Auckland. It's expected to close the harbor Bridge.

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Speaker 1: They're protesting against David Seymour and the ACT Parties, well

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Speaker 1: the Coalition Government's Treaty Principal's Bill, but also things like Gaza,

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Speaker 1: the ACT leader and author of the Treaty Principles Bill's

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Speaker 1: David Seymour, good morning, good morning, Good to have you

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Speaker 1: on the show. Are actually I was wondering about your security.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to have DPS this week or over

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Speaker 1: the coming weeks or have you been given extra protection

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Speaker 1: or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I haven't done anything like that. Every expectation

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Speaker 2: is that this is a peaceful protest.

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Speaker 1: And are you confident that the debate is going to

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Speaker 1: be peaceful and is actually going to get us somewhere

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Speaker 1: as a country.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I am. And it's important not to mix up

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Speaker 2: the debates with a few loud voices on the fringe

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Speaker 2: of it. I saw in the newspaper this morning that

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Speaker 2: one of the protest organizers says the protesting against the

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Speaker 2: government's continued assault on tongue of Fenua, and he compared

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Speaker 2: himself with hone. Heck, I think we've got to get

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Speaker 2: a reality check here. It's not eighteen sixty. The government

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Speaker 2: has been elected and introduced a series of policies that

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Speaker 2: can be summed up as equal rights for law and

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Speaker 2: improving public services for people based on need rather than

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Speaker 2: their ethnic background. That is hardly an assault on tongue

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Speaker 2: of Fenua. So we do need to be a bit

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Speaker 2: realistic about it, and voices around the fringe of it

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Speaker 2: that I think are out here.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about let's talk about the substance of the building.

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Speaker 1: What's to stop let's say, by miracle and it gets

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Speaker 1: past its first reading, you actually get this into law.

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Speaker 1: What's to stop labor changing the principles that you've put

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Speaker 1: in there.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it won't be America. I think

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Speaker 2: it will change eventually, even if the bill does not

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Speaker 2: pass this time. Once that basic idea that the government

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Speaker 2: has the right to govern, that the crown has an

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Speaker 2: equal right duty to protect all people's rights, and that

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Speaker 2: we all have the same rights and duties in an

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Speaker 2: equal before the law. I mean, that's all the bill says. Remember,

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Speaker 2: I think once that idea is in place, it will

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Speaker 2: become universal and it won't become changed.

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Speaker 1: So this is not about This is not about getting

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Speaker 1: a bill through. This is about introducing a set of

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Speaker 1: ideas into the public sphere.

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Speaker 2: For you, Well, it's both. I just make the point

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Speaker 2: that some people say, well, you know, why are you

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Speaker 2: doing it if other parties say it may not pass?

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Speaker 2: And I just make the point that in order to

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Speaker 2: get important ideas up sometimes it takes multiple attempts.

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Speaker 1: You're looking, well, let's let's be optimistic, so it will pass.

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Speaker 1: What's to stop were just changing it?

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Speaker 2: Well, you can make that argument about any idea that

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Speaker 2: any government introduces. We have a system in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: where no government can find a future parliament. That's true.

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Speaker 2: But I just make the point that what's in the

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Speaker 2: bill that Parliament has the right to make laws and

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Speaker 2: the government has the right to govern. Yeah, that the

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Speaker 2: Crown has an equal right to obligation to protect all

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Speaker 2: people's rights, including marii, and that we all have tikkat

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Speaker 2: taki or the same rights and duties. Well, they could

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Speaker 2: change that, but I believe after it's properly debated and

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Speaker 2: people who have looked at what the bill actually says,

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Speaker 2: including those who made up their mind before it was

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Speaker 2: even published, hard to oppose, so it.

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Speaker 1: Can be changed later. Winston Peters is just in New Zealand. First,

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Speaker 1: they just want to delete references to the treaty altogether.

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Speaker 1: I mean, would that not be a better way of

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Speaker 1: going about it. I mean if they get if they

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Speaker 1: start doing that, there's no references to the treaty principles

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Speaker 1: and they just then what exactly are your defining principles

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Speaker 1: going to apply to?

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Speaker 2: Two things about that. The government's review of the Treaty

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Speaker 2: principles and law that is part of New Zealand First

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Speaker 2: Coalition Agreement is being done, but at exempts at least

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Speaker 2: five pieces of legislation, including the Treaty of Whytognak, the

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Speaker 2: State and Enterprises Act and the Public Finance Act. So

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Speaker 2: some of the most core pieces of legislation, particularly the

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Speaker 2: Treaty of White Togiak, are not being reviewed to have

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Speaker 2: the Treaty principles removed. And second of all, actually the

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Speaker 2: review is not about removing limits about reviewing whether they're appropriate.

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Speaker 1: So I take your point that there are some exceptions,

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Speaker 1: well a number of quite important exceptions to that, David Seaman,

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Speaker 1: we have to leave it there, the Act Party leader.

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