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Speaker 2: Good at you, Great New Zealanders, Welcome into podcasts two

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Speaker 2: three seven. Really good day today. We had a great

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Speaker 2: shet about freedom camping. There's a bit of controversy going

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Speaker 2: on down in Queenstown when it comes to the freedom campers,

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Speaker 2: as there often is, but that was a great hour.

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Speaker 2: Then we had two solid hours talking about the Hodaki

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Speaker 2: golf and this new Marine Protection Act that's coming in

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Speaker 2: that sees commercial operators. They're okay, recreational fishes. Mum and

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Speaker 2: Dad's going out on the boat catching a feed and

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Speaker 2: you can't do it. So that racked people up. But

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Speaker 2: it was a great show. As always. Met is off

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Speaker 2: this week, by the way, he's back next week, so

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Speaker 2: looking forward to Evan my mate back. But it was

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Speaker 2: a great show. So download, subscribe, give us a review

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 3: Talk, said B.

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon two. Welcome in to today's show. Hope

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Speaker 2: you haven't a great afternoon. It's a beautiful Thursday in Auckland,

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Speaker 2: but great to have your company as always. Right to

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Speaker 2: today's show, it is a big one for you. After

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Speaker 2: three o'clock, let's have a chat about Michelin Stars. It

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Speaker 2: turns out that there has been some Michelin Stars judges

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Speaker 2: in the country over the last year in secret, judging

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Speaker 2: everything from ingredients and cooking techniques to flavor and consistency.

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Speaker 2: Officials hope this will boost tourism, showcase local produce and

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Speaker 2: elevate New Zealand's dining scenes. So if you don't know

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Speaker 2: the history behind the old Michelin Star, it was created

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Speaker 2: in nineteen hundred by the tire company Michelin Tires, but

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Speaker 2: it now covers almost fifty destinations in The Michelin Guide

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Speaker 2: obviously has never had a presence in New Zealand or

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Speaker 2: Australia for that matter. Louise Upston, the Minister of Tourism

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Speaker 2: and Hospitality, says an estimated thirty six thousand more international

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Speaker 2: visitors could result from the Guide's move into New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: warn it could put pressure on chefs and focus too

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Speaker 2: much on prestige rather than every day dining. So is

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Speaker 2: that something you actually care about when you peck a restaurant.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been to one of these select Michelin

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Speaker 2: the money? Was it expensive? Fine dining? To me, I

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Speaker 2: think just does not appeal the same way it used to.

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Speaker 2: We all know the costs of going out have skyrocketed

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Speaker 2: in recent years, that's no secret. But I went out

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Speaker 2: and the food was phenomenal, beautiful, the white Star, very attentive,

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Speaker 2: but I think when you spend two hundred and fifty dollars,

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Speaker 2: Zealand to celebrate our great hospitality venues. That is after

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Speaker 2: three o'clock. After two o'clock, a storm is brewing over

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Speaker 2: banner Prioritize Looking after Kiwi's organizers say it's about fairness

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 2: They'd be afternoon. So I'm talking about freedom camping. There's

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Speaker 2: and they've selected fifteen spots around that area where freedom

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Speaker 2: do we need some sort of national law. It's always

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Speaker 2: So what is wrong with just having a national freedom

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Speaker 2: something you can't do in many other places in the world.

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Speaker 2: You can do it here. So have we got a

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Speaker 2: get a Mike, Hey, Mike, or might come back to Mike.

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Speaker 2: Gette Tyler. I live in Tikapo. The issue is with

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Speaker 2: eight years ago. Doing this has caused a bigger problem.

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Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break. You guys just

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Speaker 2: told them I'm stalking to hear from you. Oh eight

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Speaker 3: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 4: Job ads are up, so it is at the bottom

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Speaker 4: of better times coming well.

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Speaker 5: Were two indicators in there that were positive.

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Speaker 6: So there was really strong growth in the hour's work

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Speaker 6: that was up zero point nine percent for the period.

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Speaker 5: So that's positive because of course when people.

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Speaker 2: For a good afternoons you. It's twenty one past one.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about freedom camping in New Zealand. There's a

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Speaker 2: so they're not happy. But what do you say, Mike,

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Speaker 2: I think we've got you now, Hi, Hi good?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree with those restrictions. When you're

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Speaker 8: You know, you yet, the wildlife's incredible, the scenery, just

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Speaker 8: And you know, freedom camping all over the place making

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Speaker 8: in those areas well, then that creates an opportunity for

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Speaker 8: from that when people pay money per night to stay,

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Speaker 9: And you know that that.

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Speaker 8: You know, if you call the restrictions a cloud, well,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've raised a lot of good points and

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Speaker 2: and it it's kind of where I'm sitting here, see

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Speaker 2: is hi Tyler. I don't own a camper, but if

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Speaker 2: I did, I was born and bred in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: This is my country. I'll park wherever I damn where

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Speaker 2: I want to from, Brad, That's kind of where I'm

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Speaker 2: into the freedom camping discussion. Absolutely, But the whole idea

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Speaker 2: doesn't sit right with me as a New Zealand and

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Speaker 2: that was something I always was able to do when

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Speaker 2: where I can do that. Can you understand that that rationale?

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Speaker 8: Mike, Absolutely, But too many people are responsible and they

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Speaker 8: spoil things for everyone else. I mean, if people, I mean,

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Speaker 8: if you're sleeping, you're not going to be viewing the scene.

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Speaker 8: So go up the road on the main road, sleep

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Speaker 8: you know, just actually can lead to your next segment

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Speaker 8: after two, about the money and revenue situation with restricting

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Speaker 8: leading to Michelin, but I don't want to go down

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a fair point. I mean, it is,

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Speaker 2: You're right, there's some similarities there. Absolutely, Mike. Always good

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Speaker 2: to chat with you. Mate, thank you very much for

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Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call? What is your thoughts

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Speaker 2: Do we need to loosen up a little bit, maybe

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Speaker 2: get the government to sort out the regulations rather than

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Speaker 2: or get everybody on board. Colleen, how are you hello?

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Speaker 10: I really like everything that he.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, it's all good and I agree as long

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Speaker 10: as you if you want to do a number two's

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Speaker 10: bury your poos ye and yeah. And the other thing

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Speaker 10: about stalias. I just have driven past Mission Bay and

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Speaker 10: there's hundreds of people there in the water and the

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Speaker 10: pile of you know those or rubbish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is to me, that's a weird sight, Colleen. Like,

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Speaker 2: I know I'm advocating here that I think you should

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Speaker 2: be able to park up in a self contained vehicle

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Speaker 2: pretty much anywhere in New Zealand, but when you're parking

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Speaker 2: a strange thing. So, you know, my argument is changing

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Speaker 2: as we go along, and that's not necessarily a bad thing,

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Speaker 2: don't think there should be much much of a problem

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Speaker 2: with people using something like that. And if they are

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Speaker 10: Yeah, they definitely need to bury their dodos. To lead

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Speaker 10: dodoos anywhere.

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Speaker 2: They should give them a spade when they hire the

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Speaker 2: camper the juicy rental should give them a wee spade

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Speaker 2: to go along with it.

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Speaker 10: Oh god, there at might at ten that's probably eight

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Speaker 10: thousand of them. I mean, it's like it should be

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Speaker 2: It should be Yes, yeah, yeah, good on your Colleen.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for giving me a buzz I.

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty teen eighty is that number to call

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Speaker 2: Keen to get your thoughts on freedom camping? Are the

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Speaker 2: silly and clamping down on these freedom campers. It's all

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylean. We are talking about freedom camping.

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Speaker 2: There's more controversy down in the Queensound Lakes district. They've

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Speaker 2: finally managed to get a bylaw through when it comes

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Speaker 2: you've got a self contained vehicle you can park up.

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Speaker 2: But the local stall aren't happy. And this was after

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Speaker 2: It got taken to court and they were unsuccessful. And

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Speaker 2: So what do you say, I one hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: Have we got the settings right or do we need

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Speaker 2: a more general overview from central government rather than letting

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Speaker 2: councils dictate. O one hundred eighty ten eighty is that

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Speaker 2: number to call? Get a bob?

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Speaker 9: Yes, good afternoon.

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Speaker 12: You're talking about one of my favorite subjects, camping.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you've rung up and this is a great subject.

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Speaker 2: We've got full boards, so people are interested in this one, Bob.

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Speaker 9: Look, I've been a motor home and a member of

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Speaker 12: So I'm very familiar with what used to be and

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Speaker 12: what is now, and especially the Queenstown Lakes area. The

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Speaker 9: They don't like it. They do everything they can to

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Speaker 12: Fort to the Motorhome Association is a big enough organization

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Speaker 12: and have taken to the court a number of times

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Speaker 12: and one every time. But from my perspective, many years ago,

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Speaker 12: on a terrace overlooking the One airfield for the biennial

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Speaker 12: war Bridge over One air show.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Great show, and yeah, I don't know where you've been

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Speaker 2: Yeah, about fifteen years ago I went to it and

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Speaker 2: I was blown away. It was amazing.

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Speaker 12: Well, I think I've done I think I've been fifteen times.

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Speaker 12: But you will have noticed the motor homes up on

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Speaker 1: Did.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well that's that. I used to organize them.

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Speaker 12: Right, And in doing so I fell foul of the

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Speaker 12: words they use were setting up a tent city. So,

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Speaker 2: Good answered.

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Speaker 12: They later on found that I had parked on this

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Speaker 9: Pass to be at the air show. So the Warbirds appreciate.

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Speaker 9: In fact, I used to work.

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Speaker 12: With their general manager guy. He's moved on and passed

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Speaker 12: away now, the guy Davin Johnson, and he worked with

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Speaker 12: which was before COVID, and that was our last show.

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Speaker 3: That we did.

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Speaker 2: Well, go on you for fighting the power, Bob, But

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Speaker 2: just quickly before you carry on, why do you think

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Speaker 2: Queenstown Lakes District Council was so anti freedom camping Because

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Speaker 2: I think they.

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Speaker 12: Want the rich and famous to come and spend their

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 12: Well, well I've always parked cautiously. One of the places

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Speaker 9: Road down onto Thing.

435
00:22:10,173 --> 00:22:12,693
Speaker 12: I just to park under the bushes. The locals we're

436
00:22:12,693 --> 00:22:15,733
Speaker 12: self contained, were totally don't prove in the bushes. We

437
00:22:15,773 --> 00:22:19,413
Speaker 12: don't do any of that. But in twenty twelve, of course,

438
00:22:19,773 --> 00:22:22,773
Speaker 12: the you know, in alliance to the British, the government

439
00:22:22,813 --> 00:22:25,693
Speaker 12: board in the Freedom Camping Hall. But basically it's said

440
00:22:26,093 --> 00:22:30,013
Speaker 12: that you can park self contained vehicles can park anywhere

441
00:22:30,053 --> 00:22:33,133
Speaker 12: they like unless there is good reason that they should

442
00:22:33,173 --> 00:22:37,733
Speaker 12: not do so, and which case councils were able to

443
00:22:37,893 --> 00:22:40,573
Speaker 12: decide that's a good place. You can park there and

444
00:22:40,693 --> 00:22:43,733
Speaker 12: know you can't park there, but with a reason. It's

445
00:22:43,733 --> 00:22:46,253
Speaker 12: a wetland, or it's a bird center, it's something like that.

446
00:22:47,133 --> 00:22:50,213
Speaker 12: But Queenstown, they have been many countries. I live in

447
00:22:50,213 --> 00:22:52,493
Speaker 12: the Bay of Plenty and the Western Bay of Plenty

448
00:22:52,573 --> 00:22:53,693
Speaker 12: is is very.

449
00:22:53,533 --> 00:22:54,133
Speaker 9: Open with that.

450
00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:59,812
Speaker 12: There are numerous freedom camping sites. It is purely Queenstown.

451
00:22:59,253 --> 00:23:00,973
Speaker 9: Lakes that is the main issue.

452
00:23:01,613 --> 00:23:06,133
Speaker 12: Oh sorrytar Mandal closely, but I think Thames is falling

453
00:23:06,173 --> 00:23:10,973
Speaker 12: to line now. Basically Queenstown Lakes they don't want us.

454
00:23:11,413 --> 00:23:14,893
Speaker 12: They actively discourage us or try to in the grounds.

455
00:23:14,933 --> 00:23:17,493
Speaker 12: Oh we love you to come here, but here's fifteen sites.

456
00:23:17,573 --> 00:23:20,453
Speaker 2: Well again, Bob, you know, I say, with all due respects,

457
00:23:20,493 --> 00:23:24,133
Speaker 2: grew the Queen's Tall Lakes District Council. This is our country.

458
00:23:24,213 --> 00:23:27,013
Speaker 2: You know, they've got jurisdiction as a local council. But

459
00:23:27,653 --> 00:23:31,173
Speaker 2: where we should be able to park up and stay wherever?

460
00:23:31,213 --> 00:23:34,013
Speaker 2: We damn feel like as long as we are abiding

461
00:23:34,093 --> 00:23:36,693
Speaker 2: by the rules and not being dickheads. And there's as

462
00:23:36,693 --> 00:23:38,653
Speaker 2: I understand it, Bob, there's fines that can be dished

463
00:23:38,653 --> 00:23:41,813
Speaker 2: out if you are leaving trash or bad behavior or

464
00:23:41,853 --> 00:23:43,973
Speaker 2: defecating or all those things we don't want to see.

465
00:23:45,013 --> 00:23:47,133
Speaker 12: Well, as for that, the INNS in MCA the Motor

466
00:23:47,133 --> 00:23:52,773
Speaker 12: Caravan Association is very pro policing its own members. If

467
00:23:52,813 --> 00:23:55,173
Speaker 12: you complain about a motor home, you pick the well,

468
00:23:55,173 --> 00:23:57,613
Speaker 12: they only give a registration, but they do have a

469
00:23:57,653 --> 00:23:58,773
Speaker 12: wings with a number on it.

470
00:23:58,813 --> 00:24:00,333
Speaker 9: But to just give a registration.

471
00:24:00,413 --> 00:24:03,133
Speaker 12: So this van being a dickhead and it's got the

472
00:24:03,173 --> 00:24:06,173
Speaker 12: wings on it reported to NS and MCAA, they will

473
00:24:06,213 --> 00:24:10,413
Speaker 12: take quite severe action, as much as expelling. They can't

474
00:24:10,453 --> 00:24:12,533
Speaker 12: find them, of course, because I'm not a legal identity,

475
00:24:12,773 --> 00:24:16,173
Speaker 12: but they can certainly suspel or suspend members from the

476
00:24:16,213 --> 00:24:19,213
Speaker 12: association stopping am using their facilities.

477
00:24:19,453 --> 00:24:21,773
Speaker 2: Well that, yeah, that is good because I know there's

478
00:24:21,773 --> 00:24:24,093
Speaker 2: some serious discounts if you're part of the association. How

479
00:24:24,093 --> 00:24:25,853
Speaker 2: many members have you got, Bob.

480
00:24:26,573 --> 00:24:28,653
Speaker 12: I believe there's something like one hundred and thirty five

481
00:24:28,733 --> 00:24:32,533
Speaker 12: thousand family memberships relating I think to in the vicinity

482
00:24:32,573 --> 00:24:35,853
Speaker 12: of something about sixty thousand motor homes, right, so it's

483
00:24:35,893 --> 00:24:36,573
Speaker 12: a big fleet.

484
00:24:37,013 --> 00:24:38,893
Speaker 2: So with all this in mind, Bob, because this is

485
00:24:38,933 --> 00:24:42,133
Speaker 2: what does my head, and there's all these various councils

486
00:24:42,173 --> 00:24:44,173
Speaker 2: making up or trying to make up their own by laws,

487
00:24:44,173 --> 00:24:46,453
Speaker 2: would it not make sense for the government to step

488
00:24:46,453 --> 00:24:49,133
Speaker 2: in here and say, here's the regulations, here's the laws,

489
00:24:49,133 --> 00:24:51,973
Speaker 2: here's the fines that can be dished out and taken

490
00:24:52,013 --> 00:24:52,893
Speaker 2: away from the councils.

491
00:24:54,213 --> 00:24:54,813
Speaker 13: Well, they do.

492
00:24:54,933 --> 00:24:59,413
Speaker 12: The government brought in this twenty twelve Biofreedom Camping Law

493
00:25:00,013 --> 00:25:02,333
Speaker 12: which allowed it to do but it had to go

494
00:25:02,413 --> 00:25:07,693
Speaker 12: back to councils to actually differentiate, differentiate, you know, the

495
00:25:07,733 --> 00:25:10,532
Speaker 12: places you can from the places you cannot. And a

496
00:25:10,573 --> 00:25:14,173
Speaker 12: lot of Queenstown Lakes I believe they say which could

497
00:25:14,453 --> 00:25:18,253
Speaker 12: other councils say yes, sefty fine, Queenstown Lakes say no.

498
00:25:19,533 --> 00:25:22,773
Speaker 9: And that's what they actively, I believe, actively pursue.

499
00:25:22,893 --> 00:25:25,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bob, thank you very much for giving me a buzz.

500
00:25:25,533 --> 00:25:27,373
Speaker 2: That's some good information there, and you've got a lot

501
00:25:27,373 --> 00:25:29,893
Speaker 2: of experience and one hundred and thirty thousand members for

502
00:25:29,933 --> 00:25:32,213
Speaker 2: the Old Motor Home Caravan Association. If you're one of

503
00:25:32,213 --> 00:25:34,133
Speaker 2: those members. Love to hear from you. I imagine you

504
00:25:34,173 --> 00:25:37,053
Speaker 2: would concur with what Bob was saying, but love to

505
00:25:37,053 --> 00:25:39,333
Speaker 2: hear your experiences when it comes to freedom camping, and

506
00:25:39,373 --> 00:25:42,893
Speaker 2: particularly the Queenstown Lakes District Council. Are they as anti

507
00:25:42,973 --> 00:25:46,093
Speaker 2: freedom camping and motorhome and caravan as Bob was saying? Oh,

508
00:25:46,093 --> 00:25:48,533
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number? A

509
00:25:48,693 --> 00:25:51,292
Speaker 2: quick couple of the text here, Hi, Tyler, I'm from

510
00:25:51,333 --> 00:25:55,373
Speaker 2: Wonakah and people there love to put the infrastructure into

511
00:25:55,413 --> 00:25:59,533
Speaker 2: any sentence when complaining or having an opinion. Freedom campers

512
00:25:59,853 --> 00:26:02,653
Speaker 2: are like the neighbor's cat. You put food out for

513
00:26:02,693 --> 00:26:05,293
Speaker 2: your own cat, but the neighbor's cat keeps taking the

514
00:26:05,333 --> 00:26:08,333
Speaker 2: free lunch around a major, well known hostel for eighteen years.

515
00:26:08,613 --> 00:26:10,893
Speaker 2: They are a pain in the ass. Keep those texts

516
00:26:10,933 --> 00:26:13,973
Speaker 2: coming through on nine two nine two back very shortly.

517
00:26:14,013 --> 00:26:16,013
Speaker 2: It is twenty one to two.

518
00:26:16,533 --> 00:26:20,693
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams. Afternoons

519
00:26:20,893 --> 00:26:23,453
Speaker 1: call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk.

520
00:26:23,573 --> 00:26:24,733
Speaker 3: They'd be very good.

521
00:26:24,773 --> 00:26:27,293
Speaker 2: Afternoon cheer. We're talking about freedom camping. Do you think

522
00:26:27,333 --> 00:26:30,453
Speaker 2: it does good for our tourism and for our general

523
00:26:30,493 --> 00:26:33,333
Speaker 2: freedoms of traveling around our beautiful country or does it

524
00:26:33,413 --> 00:26:36,613
Speaker 2: cause more harm than benefit to local communities? Love to

525
00:26:36,653 --> 00:26:38,333
Speaker 2: hear your thoughts. So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

526
00:26:38,413 --> 00:26:40,013
Speaker 2: is that number? Call get a craig.

527
00:26:41,253 --> 00:26:42,133
Speaker 4: Yeah, good mate.

528
00:26:42,853 --> 00:26:44,893
Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot of interesting calls coming in and you

529
00:26:44,933 --> 00:26:48,253
Speaker 7: can sort of understand both sides of the coin here.

530
00:26:48,413 --> 00:26:51,573
Speaker 7: It's sort of a you know, that's how it works.

531
00:26:51,573 --> 00:26:55,893
Speaker 7: But I would say like I traveled in a house

532
00:26:55,933 --> 00:27:01,253
Speaker 7: bus round about eighty of nine years around New Zealand

533
00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:04,733
Speaker 7: and always had an ad on the back for building

534
00:27:04,813 --> 00:27:07,493
Speaker 7: deck fences, doing concrete work, that kind of thing. So

535
00:27:07,813 --> 00:27:10,733
Speaker 7: I've just you know, a working holiday if you'd like

536
00:27:10,733 --> 00:27:11,333
Speaker 7: to put it that way.

537
00:27:11,333 --> 00:27:12,053
Speaker 2: It sounds lovely.

538
00:27:12,973 --> 00:27:14,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty cool way to live.

539
00:27:15,813 --> 00:27:19,013
Speaker 7: The biggest issues I did actually find, to be honest,

540
00:27:19,053 --> 00:27:21,253
Speaker 7: which is kind of instantly listening to this was round

541
00:27:21,333 --> 00:27:27,653
Speaker 7: Queen's Town until I got on side with the local

542
00:27:27,853 --> 00:27:31,493
Speaker 7: park ranges and things, because I was just cleaning up

543
00:27:31,573 --> 00:27:34,532
Speaker 7: rubbish and banging rubbish and they found me doing that

544
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:38,493
Speaker 7: quite really so that that gave me some cut off

545
00:27:38,573 --> 00:27:43,853
Speaker 7: points if you like. But it is I can sort

546
00:27:43,853 --> 00:27:45,773
Speaker 7: of understand people being abut to set by it. But

547
00:27:45,813 --> 00:27:49,292
Speaker 7: at the same time, why have we taken away all

548
00:27:49,333 --> 00:27:53,413
Speaker 7: the toilets and rubbish if we want people to you know,

549
00:27:53,533 --> 00:27:57,292
Speaker 7: we want tourists, yet we're doing pretty much everything we

550
00:27:57,333 --> 00:28:00,973
Speaker 7: can to make it really hard for them, So toilets

551
00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:04,413
Speaker 7: and showers and things like that. It should just be

552
00:28:04,493 --> 00:28:06,893
Speaker 7: set up a way to make you know, not only

553
00:28:07,213 --> 00:28:10,093
Speaker 7: to keep it cleaner and envie, but also to make

554
00:28:10,133 --> 00:28:12,853
Speaker 7: it a better experience of people that are traveling here.

555
00:28:13,893 --> 00:28:16,173
Speaker 2: So true, I mean on both of those accounts. The

556
00:28:16,813 --> 00:28:20,333
Speaker 2: removal of rubbish spins left, right and center for locals

557
00:28:20,373 --> 00:28:22,893
Speaker 2: as well as tourists. I mean, that is crazy town

558
00:28:23,053 --> 00:28:25,933
Speaker 2: and the access to toilets in many parts of the country.

559
00:28:26,133 --> 00:28:28,453
Speaker 2: You're right, you've got to have that infrastructure there. And

560
00:28:28,493 --> 00:28:32,213
Speaker 2: it's not to excuse the bad behavior of people who

561
00:28:32,213 --> 00:28:34,093
Speaker 2: are freedom camping and others. As you say, a lot

562
00:28:34,133 --> 00:28:36,693
Speaker 2: of it is locals who are dumping trash. But yeah,

563
00:28:36,733 --> 00:28:38,933
Speaker 2: that is a big part of it. And again it

564
00:28:38,933 --> 00:28:41,853
Speaker 2: comes down to councils. It's the councils who removed all

565
00:28:41,893 --> 00:28:44,053
Speaker 2: the rubbish spins and don't want to front up for

566
00:28:44,093 --> 00:28:45,293
Speaker 2: some decent toilets.

567
00:28:46,213 --> 00:28:49,093
Speaker 7: Yeah, well I'm in Watomo now I've been living here

568
00:28:49,093 --> 00:28:53,133
Speaker 7: for quite a few years, and the same issues are

569
00:28:53,173 --> 00:28:56,173
Speaker 7: sort of occurring here. So you've obviously got a lot

570
00:28:56,213 --> 00:28:59,013
Speaker 7: of freedom campers coming to wait Tomo for the caves

571
00:28:58,613 --> 00:29:04,493
Speaker 7: and different things, And I honest, to be totally honest,

572
00:29:04,613 --> 00:29:07,413
Speaker 7: I don't see them leaving the big messes. I quite

573
00:29:07,413 --> 00:29:11,333
Speaker 7: often see local going things that are that's pretty much dodgy.

574
00:29:11,773 --> 00:29:14,333
Speaker 7: So I'm not sure if you can just hammer the

575
00:29:14,373 --> 00:29:16,693
Speaker 7: freedom champers. I mean, I'm sure there's a few of

576
00:29:16,693 --> 00:29:21,333
Speaker 7: them who are not responsible, but the majority I don't

577
00:29:21,373 --> 00:29:24,653
Speaker 7: see them leaving rubbish behind. If I am cleaning up

578
00:29:24,693 --> 00:29:25,973
Speaker 7: after the locals.

579
00:29:25,773 --> 00:29:28,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wel good on you. I'm glad someone's cleaning up. Craig,

580
00:29:28,533 --> 00:29:30,973
Speaker 2: you're a great New Zealander. On one hundred and eighty

581
00:29:31,013 --> 00:29:33,053
Speaker 2: ten eighty is that number to call a couple of

582
00:29:33,093 --> 00:29:35,693
Speaker 2: sects here, Hi, Tyler, we are traveling in a self

583
00:29:35,693 --> 00:29:38,573
Speaker 2: contained motor home at the moment, and the great majority

584
00:29:38,613 --> 00:29:41,013
Speaker 2: of your phone calls about freedom camping this afternoon are

585
00:29:41,013 --> 00:29:43,573
Speaker 2: talking through a hole in their heads. We've just been

586
00:29:43,613 --> 00:29:46,653
Speaker 2: to Rua Kaka with ten vehicles parked alongside us. The

587
00:29:46,693 --> 00:29:49,333
Speaker 2: council had a toilet for the public to use and

588
00:29:49,533 --> 00:29:52,133
Speaker 2: there was not a problem. Tay Happy has shower and

589
00:29:52,173 --> 00:29:55,213
Speaker 2: toilets which are new set aside for people on the road,

590
00:29:55,253 --> 00:29:57,053
Speaker 2: and in my opinion that is what town should do.

591
00:29:57,413 --> 00:30:00,653
Speaker 2: After all, aren't New Zealand trying to get the overseas

592
00:30:00,693 --> 00:30:03,973
Speaker 2: visitors back into the country that's from Claudia. Yeah, I'd

593
00:30:04,013 --> 00:30:05,733
Speaker 2: have to agree with that. That infrastructure is a big

594
00:30:05,733 --> 00:30:07,653
Speaker 2: part of it. But as I said, this is you know,

595
00:30:07,973 --> 00:30:09,933
Speaker 2: this is a country we grew up and to have

596
00:30:10,013 --> 00:30:13,773
Speaker 2: counsels try and dictate where you can and can't park

597
00:30:13,893 --> 00:30:16,013
Speaker 2: up and stay, to me is just a little bit

598
00:30:16,053 --> 00:30:17,373
Speaker 2: on the nose. But what do you say, Oh one

599
00:30:17,453 --> 00:30:19,093
Speaker 2: hundred and eighteen eighty is that number to call?

600
00:30:19,133 --> 00:30:25,373
Speaker 14: Get a phil Oh good afternoon. Now I meet the

601
00:30:25,453 --> 00:30:29,493
Speaker 14: side of the freedom camping. I used to be very

602
00:30:29,613 --> 00:30:34,813
Speaker 14: very happy with it until the Rugby World Cup twenty eleven.

603
00:30:34,853 --> 00:30:41,813
Speaker 14: That's when everything changed. Freedom camping to me is freedom, yeah,

604
00:30:41,853 --> 00:30:45,533
Speaker 14: and as in a free to stop where you like,

605
00:30:46,293 --> 00:30:52,133
Speaker 14: park where you like and enjoy yourself. Now, even prior

606
00:30:52,173 --> 00:30:55,293
Speaker 14: to that, when I used to go tramping with my son,

607
00:30:56,133 --> 00:30:59,253
Speaker 14: we would hike in the bush a lot. Okay, there's

608
00:30:59,293 --> 00:31:03,493
Speaker 14: no facilities, but we always dug a hole and did

609
00:31:03,533 --> 00:31:09,093
Speaker 14: our business and covered it up so no trace left whatsoever.

610
00:31:09,693 --> 00:31:13,693
Speaker 14: But the absurdity since the Rugby two are twenty eleven,

611
00:31:14,173 --> 00:31:17,773
Speaker 14: it's all turned to custard. The Council has far too

612
00:31:17,973 --> 00:31:24,053
Speaker 14: much say in the matter. They dictate what you can

613
00:31:24,293 --> 00:31:31,813
Speaker 14: or cannot do. They hire security people companies to do

614
00:31:32,373 --> 00:31:39,013
Speaker 14: the Council's dirty work. It's just left a sour taste

615
00:31:39,013 --> 00:31:43,653
Speaker 14: in my mouth over the years, and quite frankly, this

616
00:31:43,733 --> 00:31:46,813
Speaker 14: year I decided I've had enough of all this nonsense.

617
00:31:47,493 --> 00:31:51,733
Speaker 14: I sold no motor home about three four months ago

618
00:31:52,773 --> 00:31:56,813
Speaker 14: and I'm not doing it anymore, simply because I don't

619
00:31:56,853 --> 00:32:03,493
Speaker 14: feel happy doing it. It's just turned so political. Lovely

620
00:32:03,613 --> 00:32:06,853
Speaker 14: vehicle I had, fully self contained. I sold it for

621
00:32:06,853 --> 00:32:10,373
Speaker 14: one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. It had everything in

622
00:32:10,413 --> 00:32:15,813
Speaker 14: there that you had, just like being at home, totally

623
00:32:15,853 --> 00:32:20,413
Speaker 14: responsible at all times. I'm currently a member of the

624
00:32:20,533 --> 00:32:25,773
Speaker 14: nz MCA. I will not be renewing my membership because

625
00:32:25,893 --> 00:32:30,813
Speaker 14: even the club itself has turned political over the years

626
00:32:31,053 --> 00:32:31,693
Speaker 14: as a part.

627
00:32:31,493 --> 00:32:33,493
Speaker 2: Of that fella, and that's a shame to hear. But

628
00:32:33,533 --> 00:32:35,613
Speaker 2: clearly you've made up your mind because it was not

629
00:32:35,773 --> 00:32:37,973
Speaker 2: enjoyable anymore. But do you think a part of that

630
00:32:38,173 --> 00:32:40,893
Speaker 2: is because it did get so political, as you say

631
00:32:40,933 --> 00:32:43,333
Speaker 2: after the Rugby World Cup, and I'll take your word

632
00:32:43,333 --> 00:32:45,533
Speaker 2: for it, that was about when this freedom camping debarcle

633
00:32:45,613 --> 00:32:49,333
Speaker 2: kicked off. That it kind of turned a whole bunch

634
00:32:49,453 --> 00:32:52,213
Speaker 2: of New Zealanders against people who were just wanting to

635
00:32:52,773 --> 00:32:55,733
Speaker 2: enjoy our country and travel around and park up and

636
00:32:55,773 --> 00:32:59,693
Speaker 2: be respectful. But it was almost that vigilante action that

637
00:32:59,893 --> 00:33:02,933
Speaker 2: was almost spurned on by councils.

638
00:33:03,493 --> 00:33:09,813
Speaker 14: That's quite correct. Sadly, I feel better now that I'm

639
00:33:09,893 --> 00:33:13,773
Speaker 14: out of it all together. The nz MCA was formed

640
00:33:14,133 --> 00:33:19,973
Speaker 14: for one reason, and that was seventy odd years ago

641
00:33:20,813 --> 00:33:26,733
Speaker 14: to Originally it was a caravan club. There was a

642
00:33:26,813 --> 00:33:32,453
Speaker 14: separate caravan club and a person wanted to join the club,

643
00:33:32,693 --> 00:33:36,213
Speaker 14: but who was not permitted to because he had a

644
00:33:36,413 --> 00:33:43,533
Speaker 14: converted bus. And that's how the nz MCA started. So

645
00:33:43,773 --> 00:33:50,013
Speaker 14: members had to have a self propelled vehicle simply because

646
00:33:50,813 --> 00:33:54,773
Speaker 14: the caravan club would not welcome any anyone with a

647
00:33:54,813 --> 00:34:00,133
Speaker 14: motor home or converted bus. Unfortunately, we're going into a

648
00:34:00,173 --> 00:34:03,373
Speaker 14: full circle now and the nz MCA has opened it

649
00:34:03,493 --> 00:34:09,493
Speaker 14: up to fifth wheelers caravans, a vehicle that can be

650
00:34:09,533 --> 00:34:14,933
Speaker 14: classified as self contained. So the format of the club

651
00:34:15,013 --> 00:34:21,813
Speaker 14: has changed considerably over the years. And so I've had

652
00:34:21,933 --> 00:34:24,252
Speaker 14: enough of the club. I've had enough of the councils,

653
00:34:24,373 --> 00:34:28,253
Speaker 14: the government or the controversy, and I'm out of it.

654
00:34:28,493 --> 00:34:31,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sorry to hear that. Vell. It sounds

655
00:34:31,733 --> 00:34:33,813
Speaker 2: like you've here. We can tell you've had enough. You've

656
00:34:33,853 --> 00:34:35,973
Speaker 2: had enough of everything when it comes to freedom camping

657
00:34:36,253 --> 00:34:39,013
Speaker 2: and you're out, which is a shame for yourself. And

658
00:34:39,093 --> 00:34:42,293
Speaker 2: ain't you going to fight that power? This is your country.

659
00:34:42,333 --> 00:34:44,853
Speaker 2: You can't let diddy old councils dictate where you're going

660
00:34:44,893 --> 00:34:47,893
Speaker 2: to park up and enjoy this wonderful country of ours?

661
00:34:47,933 --> 00:34:50,373
Speaker 2: Or can you if you disagree, love to hear from you, Oh,

662
00:34:50,373 --> 00:34:52,693
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Should counsels have the

663
00:34:52,773 --> 00:34:56,053
Speaker 2: right to restrict freedom camping in sensitive areas? Or should

664
00:34:56,053 --> 00:34:59,133
Speaker 2: people be able to camp everywhere? It is ten minutes

665
00:34:59,173 --> 00:35:02,772
Speaker 2: to two bag very shortly, Mad.

666
00:35:02,813 --> 00:35:06,093
Speaker 1: Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on, Oh, eight hundred

667
00:35:06,093 --> 00:35:10,133
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty, it's Mad Heathen Tyler Afternoons.

668
00:35:09,613 --> 00:35:13,413
Speaker 2: News for a good afternoon eight to too. Have we

669
00:35:13,453 --> 00:35:15,853
Speaker 2: got the settings right when it comes to freedom camping

670
00:35:15,933 --> 00:35:17,613
Speaker 2: Love to get your thoughts. Nine two nine two is

671
00:35:17,613 --> 00:35:19,173
Speaker 2: the text number get a Sheryl.

672
00:35:20,253 --> 00:35:21,493
Speaker 15: Hi, how are you, Tyler?

673
00:35:21,613 --> 00:35:24,212
Speaker 2: I am fantastic on this Thursday afternoon. Hope you are too.

674
00:35:25,293 --> 00:35:28,853
Speaker 15: Yeah, no, it's pretty cool now, I mean I'm This

675
00:35:29,013 --> 00:35:31,533
Speaker 15: is one of my pet subjects for the simple reason

676
00:35:31,573 --> 00:35:34,493
Speaker 15: we live on a beach which we paid a lot

677
00:35:34,533 --> 00:35:37,133
Speaker 15: of money for and pay huge amount of rates to

678
00:35:37,213 --> 00:35:41,133
Speaker 15: have that privilege of living close to the beach. Sadly,

679
00:35:41,253 --> 00:35:44,933
Speaker 15: the beach is not monitored or considered to be of

680
00:35:45,293 --> 00:35:49,453
Speaker 15: value to the community by either councils. It's got a

681
00:35:49,493 --> 00:35:53,173
Speaker 15: regional council and a district council that are supposed to

682
00:35:53,253 --> 00:35:57,813
Speaker 15: take care of it. So consequently, over mostly over the summer,

683
00:35:57,933 --> 00:36:02,373
Speaker 15: we can have a beach that is, it's a beautiful beach,

684
00:36:02,453 --> 00:36:05,173
Speaker 15: but it has a lot of issues around the birds

685
00:36:05,173 --> 00:36:07,253
Speaker 15: and the lagoons and things like that. But we can

686
00:36:07,293 --> 00:36:10,733
Speaker 15: have up to sixty campers and motor homes and cars

687
00:36:10,773 --> 00:36:14,133
Speaker 15: which they have got the classification but are not fully

688
00:36:14,173 --> 00:36:17,253
Speaker 15: self contained, and they just take up the whole beach

689
00:36:17,373 --> 00:36:19,853
Speaker 15: and they just don't move on. So consequently, we have

690
00:36:20,093 --> 00:36:22,893
Speaker 15: our locals. We can't go down there and comfortably go

691
00:36:22,973 --> 00:36:25,213
Speaker 15: and access the beach because you've got to fight your

692
00:36:25,213 --> 00:36:28,493
Speaker 15: way through vans and people sprawl everywhere. But I do

693
00:36:28,653 --> 00:36:30,973
Speaker 15: understand there is a need for people to be able

694
00:36:31,013 --> 00:36:35,653
Speaker 15: to go and have that opportunity to freedom camp. So sadly,

695
00:36:35,773 --> 00:36:39,333
Speaker 15: when you've got when you're in that space, when you know,

696
00:36:39,453 --> 00:36:41,333
Speaker 15: I would be happy to see a part of our

697
00:36:41,373 --> 00:36:45,213
Speaker 15: beach allocated for all freedom campers. There is a toilet

698
00:36:45,213 --> 00:36:48,253
Speaker 15: close by, but it's not it's for people who like

699
00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:50,533
Speaker 15: to walk. And we've got lots of bushwalks and things

700
00:36:50,573 --> 00:36:51,333
Speaker 15: around the area.

701
00:36:51,813 --> 00:36:52,333
Speaker 10: And I can.

702
00:36:52,333 --> 00:36:54,693
Speaker 15: Understand people don't want to go and pay the seventy

703
00:36:54,733 --> 00:36:57,573
Speaker 15: dollars a night to camp in a motor camp site.

704
00:36:57,813 --> 00:37:00,093
Speaker 15: Most of them have been taken away now hence the

705
00:37:00,133 --> 00:37:04,252
Speaker 15: reason people freedom camp. But it's getting that balance right,

706
00:37:04,413 --> 00:37:04,933
Speaker 15: you know, and.

707
00:37:06,093 --> 00:37:08,013
Speaker 2: On you because there's nuance here. I'm not talking about

708
00:37:08,053 --> 00:37:10,613
Speaker 2: carp lunch park up wherever you want for however long

709
00:37:10,653 --> 00:37:13,613
Speaker 2: you want, anywhere in New Zealand, but that flexibility, and

710
00:37:13,653 --> 00:37:16,093
Speaker 2: that's exactly a way around at Cheryl that you allow

711
00:37:16,173 --> 00:37:17,813
Speaker 2: people to come to a part of the beach so

712
00:37:17,933 --> 00:37:19,893
Speaker 2: everybody gets to enjoy it. And that's the whole point

713
00:37:19,893 --> 00:37:22,013
Speaker 2: of it, right is this is all of our country

714
00:37:22,013 --> 00:37:24,453
Speaker 2: and we want visitors to enjoy it as well. But

715
00:37:24,533 --> 00:37:27,613
Speaker 2: it's about their common sense and putting some things in

716
00:37:27,693 --> 00:37:30,973
Speaker 2: place that everybody or as many people as possible win.

717
00:37:32,133 --> 00:37:34,693
Speaker 15: Well, yeah, and it should be in my opinion, it

718
00:37:34,733 --> 00:37:38,533
Speaker 15: should be. Aby should be sufficient signage to advise people

719
00:37:38,533 --> 00:37:41,933
Speaker 15: because at the moment we're telling people about where they

720
00:37:41,973 --> 00:37:44,893
Speaker 15: can camp and where they can't camp, and they say, oh,

721
00:37:44,933 --> 00:37:47,533
Speaker 15: but Google Maps have sent us here. Well, Google Maps

722
00:37:47,573 --> 00:37:50,533
Speaker 15: doesn't say anything just because somebody's posted, oh we stayed

723
00:37:50,533 --> 00:37:52,773
Speaker 15: it so and so and it was really nice. All

724
00:37:52,813 --> 00:37:56,013
Speaker 15: of a sudden, everybody else goes there. But we need

725
00:37:56,093 --> 00:38:01,933
Speaker 15: proper signage. We need including a limited stay time. You know,

726
00:38:02,453 --> 00:38:06,172
Speaker 15: two days is perfect. Move on, let somebody else come

727
00:38:06,213 --> 00:38:06,853
Speaker 15: and enjoy it.

728
00:38:06,933 --> 00:38:09,053
Speaker 2: Good on your share, and that's why should you know,

729
00:38:09,173 --> 00:38:11,253
Speaker 2: the central government should jump in and just help with

730
00:38:11,293 --> 00:38:13,693
Speaker 2: some of those regulations as well. Jay, we've got about

731
00:38:13,973 --> 00:38:17,413
Speaker 2: sixty seconds, but you are pro restrictions on the freedom campers,

732
00:38:18,493 --> 00:38:19,133
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.

733
00:38:19,213 --> 00:38:19,373
Speaker 3: Yeah.

734
00:38:19,573 --> 00:38:21,613
Speaker 16: It's easy for people around the country to go, oh,

735
00:38:21,653 --> 00:38:24,653
Speaker 16: they're personal rights, personal rights, but once you've lived somewhere.

736
00:38:25,973 --> 00:38:29,453
Speaker 16: I'm from Queenstown where people are you know in abundance.

737
00:38:30,493 --> 00:38:33,013
Speaker 16: For example, we've got a street called Park Street in Queenstown.

738
00:38:33,413 --> 00:38:36,213
Speaker 16: It's very high in housing. They're paying fortune and rates.

739
00:38:36,213 --> 00:38:39,493
Speaker 16: The whole street at the lakefront street, whole street full

740
00:38:39,493 --> 00:38:43,333
Speaker 16: of camp of vans, people washing with soap in the lake,

741
00:38:43,453 --> 00:38:44,453
Speaker 16: which we shouldn't be doing.

742
00:38:44,573 --> 00:38:45,733
Speaker 9: Yeah, yes, there's.

743
00:38:45,613 --> 00:38:48,093
Speaker 16: Two everywhere we've had dogs or on poo. It is

744
00:38:48,213 --> 00:38:50,293
Speaker 16: out of control and that's hard for you guys to

745
00:38:50,373 --> 00:38:53,172
Speaker 16: understand that. But it needs some sort of tidy up.

746
00:38:53,693 --> 00:38:56,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's very fair. I have seen that Jay

747
00:38:56,333 --> 00:38:58,413
Speaker 2: when I've been down in Queenstown and that's not something

748
00:38:58,453 --> 00:39:01,333
Speaker 2: that any residents should live next to. But now it's

749
00:39:01,373 --> 00:39:03,893
Speaker 2: been a great discussion and therein lies the problem that

750
00:39:03,933 --> 00:39:05,613
Speaker 2: there's a lot of nuance. And clearly, if you're in

751
00:39:05,653 --> 00:39:09,172
Speaker 2: a tourism hot spot like Jay, the behavior is next

752
00:39:09,253 --> 00:39:11,413
Speaker 2: level bad and you get people washing themselves in the

753
00:39:11,493 --> 00:39:13,853
Speaker 2: lake and defecating all over the show. But then you

754
00:39:13,853 --> 00:39:16,813
Speaker 2: get many other places where in the country where you

755
00:39:16,853 --> 00:39:19,973
Speaker 2: should just be able to park up, enjoy our beautiful

756
00:39:20,013 --> 00:39:22,172
Speaker 2: country and not have the council try and dictate where

757
00:39:22,213 --> 00:39:24,533
Speaker 2: you can and can't go. Great discussion though there will

758
00:39:24,533 --> 00:39:26,853
Speaker 2: be plenty more on freedom camping over the next couple

759
00:39:26,893 --> 00:39:29,292
Speaker 2: of months. I'm sure as we get into summer. Coming

760
00:39:29,373 --> 00:39:31,652
Speaker 2: up after two o'clock, I want to have a chat

761
00:39:31,653 --> 00:39:34,213
Speaker 2: about fishing regulations. It's all kicking off in the Hodaky

762
00:39:34,293 --> 00:39:36,253
Speaker 2: Golf that is coming up very shortly.

763
00:39:37,533 --> 00:39:40,812
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Tyler

764
00:39:40,893 --> 00:39:43,213
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news talks.

765
00:39:43,213 --> 00:39:46,813
Speaker 2: That'd be very good afternoons. You welcome back to the program.

766
00:39:46,853 --> 00:39:49,813
Speaker 2: It is six past two, so fishermen wanting to catch

767
00:39:49,853 --> 00:39:52,573
Speaker 2: food for their families are upset at a new act

768
00:39:52,733 --> 00:39:56,133
Speaker 2: stopping them from fishing in areas of the Hodaky Golf,

769
00:39:56,453 --> 00:39:59,853
Speaker 2: but commercial fishing could still be allowed under that act.

770
00:39:59,893 --> 00:40:02,693
Speaker 2: A convoy of fishes will tow their boats across Auckland

771
00:40:02,893 --> 00:40:06,413
Speaker 2: on November the twenty second, saying the new Hodaky Golf

772
00:40:06,453 --> 00:40:10,173
Speaker 2: Marine Protection actors pushing them further off short into unfamiliar areas.

773
00:40:10,213 --> 00:40:13,693
Speaker 2: Ben Chazelle is the organizer of the One Ocean Protest,

774
00:40:13,773 --> 00:40:16,813
Speaker 2: and he joins me, now get a Ben, Hey, how

775
00:40:16,893 --> 00:40:19,813
Speaker 2: you knowing very well? So under this act, how far

776
00:40:19,973 --> 00:40:23,093
Speaker 2: will you have to go out? It's a fairly significant

777
00:40:23,133 --> 00:40:26,573
Speaker 2: area they're going to be targeting right, Yeah.

778
00:40:26,413 --> 00:40:29,413
Speaker 17: There's a lot of new zones introduced, but they're sort

779
00:40:29,413 --> 00:40:35,173
Speaker 17: of scattered around. For example, you know, basically all the

780
00:40:35,173 --> 00:40:38,613
Speaker 17: whole inside of Kiawah Islanders has completely blocked off, So

781
00:40:38,693 --> 00:40:41,133
Speaker 17: there's a lot of guys that you have little batchers

782
00:40:41,173 --> 00:40:43,973
Speaker 17: there or little beach side things. Kids that would fish

783
00:40:44,013 --> 00:40:47,493
Speaker 17: off the wharf they can know no longer do that.

784
00:40:48,333 --> 00:40:51,333
Speaker 17: But then you've also got the Noisies, which is a

785
00:40:51,453 --> 00:40:53,933
Speaker 17: very very popular place and still a lot of fish around.

786
00:40:54,893 --> 00:40:57,173
Speaker 17: Guys that used to have that is, you know, almost

787
00:40:57,213 --> 00:40:59,493
Speaker 17: like a guaranteed spot. They now have to find new,

788
00:40:59,853 --> 00:41:02,613
Speaker 17: unfamiliar areas, so you're to be a lot more travel

789
00:41:02,653 --> 00:41:04,973
Speaker 17: involved for the majority of fishermen.

790
00:41:05,853 --> 00:41:08,253
Speaker 2: So the big bone of contention with all this being

791
00:41:08,653 --> 00:41:12,573
Speaker 2: is that you and and thousands of other other fishes

792
00:41:12,653 --> 00:41:15,693
Speaker 2: feel that it treats recreational fishes, you guys who just

793
00:41:15,773 --> 00:41:18,733
Speaker 2: go out and catch food for your families, primarily compared

794
00:41:18,733 --> 00:41:19,813
Speaker 2: to the commercial operators.

795
00:41:21,333 --> 00:41:23,333
Speaker 17: Yeah, has been going on for quite some time. You know,

796
00:41:23,533 --> 00:41:26,373
Speaker 17: just look back at Tony Orton's resignation letter, you know,

797
00:41:26,453 --> 00:41:30,293
Speaker 17: and he was involved in the so called consultation process

798
00:41:31,413 --> 00:41:34,813
Speaker 17: for the public or the recreational sector. He goes on

799
00:41:34,933 --> 00:41:36,853
Speaker 17: to state that, you know, he basically felt it was

800
00:41:36,893 --> 00:41:40,133
Speaker 17: a predetermined outcome. We haven't been listened to for a

801
00:41:40,693 --> 00:41:45,533
Speaker 17: long time. Well, every other organization that has an interest

802
00:41:45,613 --> 00:41:47,053
Speaker 17: in the golf and of the white in New Zealand,

803
00:41:47,093 --> 00:41:49,613
Speaker 17: they will have their favor, but we don't have ours,

804
00:41:49,653 --> 00:41:53,133
Speaker 17: and we represent a very large number of people.

805
00:41:53,173 --> 00:41:55,533
Speaker 2: You know, has this often been the case, I mean,

806
00:41:55,573 --> 00:41:58,692
Speaker 2: this particular actors has been proposed and as you say,

807
00:41:58,773 --> 00:42:01,973
Speaker 2: there wasn't much public consultation of any to be able

808
00:42:02,013 --> 00:42:05,693
Speaker 2: to get the thoughts of recreational fishes. But does it

809
00:42:05,813 --> 00:42:08,693
Speaker 2: feel like it is time and time again the commercial

810
00:42:08,773 --> 00:42:11,933
Speaker 2: operators they get some allowances and exemptions and it is

811
00:42:12,053 --> 00:42:15,493
Speaker 2: the recreational guys who tend to miss out. And arguably,

812
00:42:15,613 --> 00:42:18,613
Speaker 2: whether you agree with this, that the recreational guys would

813
00:42:18,613 --> 00:42:21,613
Speaker 2: probably do less harm to the oceans than the commercial guys.

814
00:42:23,093 --> 00:42:23,733
Speaker 4: Yeah, well look at that.

815
00:42:23,813 --> 00:42:27,133
Speaker 17: I mean, looking at the statistics, recreational takers around about

816
00:42:27,173 --> 00:42:31,333
Speaker 17: five percent of the total take for the country. But

817
00:42:31,533 --> 00:42:34,212
Speaker 17: it's important to note that what we're doing here, it's

818
00:42:34,253 --> 00:42:38,212
Speaker 17: not an attack on any commercial fisher men and women,

819
00:42:38,853 --> 00:42:40,533
Speaker 17: you know, if they're doing what they need to do

820
00:42:40,653 --> 00:42:43,653
Speaker 17: and what they know how to do to feed their families.

821
00:42:43,733 --> 00:42:47,093
Speaker 17: But recreational and I don't even like using that term

822
00:42:47,213 --> 00:42:49,413
Speaker 17: because it just makes it, you know, look like running

823
00:42:49,453 --> 00:42:51,453
Speaker 17: on it's for fun. But you know what, I like

824
00:42:51,493 --> 00:42:55,413
Speaker 17: to call it the public fishing interests and never listen

825
00:42:55,493 --> 00:42:57,533
Speaker 17: to you know, you just have to look at even

826
00:42:58,373 --> 00:43:00,773
Speaker 17: boat rams getting shut down for condos to get built

827
00:43:00,853 --> 00:43:04,093
Speaker 17: on and even guys that have launchers. You know, there's

828
00:43:04,253 --> 00:43:06,493
Speaker 17: marinas getting shut down so they have to move their

829
00:43:06,533 --> 00:43:10,413
Speaker 17: boats further afield's. It's in every aspect. This is just

830
00:43:10,453 --> 00:43:12,732
Speaker 17: the one that's that's hold in everyone's tongues at the moment.

831
00:43:12,773 --> 00:43:16,053
Speaker 2: You know, would it be easier to swallow being if

832
00:43:16,573 --> 00:43:19,133
Speaker 2: if there were no exemptions for the commercial guys as well,

833
00:43:19,253 --> 00:43:23,973
Speaker 2: that these areas are high protection areas for everybody and

834
00:43:24,293 --> 00:43:27,093
Speaker 2: everyone's got to abide by that. Would that be more

835
00:43:27,133 --> 00:43:29,973
Speaker 2: in line with with what you guys are asking for here.

836
00:43:30,893 --> 00:43:31,652
Speaker 17: One hundred percent?

837
00:43:31,733 --> 00:43:32,253
Speaker 9: You know, it's.

838
00:43:34,133 --> 00:43:36,733
Speaker 17: It's really hard pill to swallow, and it also sets

839
00:43:36,773 --> 00:43:41,573
Speaker 17: a very very dangerous precedent because you know, make no

840
00:43:41,693 --> 00:43:43,813
Speaker 17: bones about it, this is going to happen to the

841
00:43:43,893 --> 00:43:46,133
Speaker 17: rest of the country, and the rumors that are the

842
00:43:46,213 --> 00:43:48,813
Speaker 17: next on the agendas, you know, the Newson area. So

843
00:43:49,893 --> 00:43:53,093
Speaker 17: having this little loophole now might only seem like an

844
00:43:53,133 --> 00:43:57,253
Speaker 17: insignificant amount, but it allows for a very very dangerous

845
00:43:57,293 --> 00:44:00,333
Speaker 17: president to be set and things to be bent, you know,

846
00:44:00,653 --> 00:44:01,693
Speaker 17: going forward potentially.

847
00:44:02,213 --> 00:44:04,733
Speaker 2: So what do you guys want to see if you

848
00:44:05,453 --> 00:44:08,173
Speaker 2: you know, can get some traction here with the powers

849
00:44:08,213 --> 00:44:10,893
Speaker 2: that be on this this HbA for the Hodaki golf

850
00:44:11,373 --> 00:44:13,813
Speaker 2: what what would you be calling for? What do you

851
00:44:13,853 --> 00:44:14,613
Speaker 2: want them to change?

852
00:44:16,053 --> 00:44:18,692
Speaker 17: The main thing is like as you say, it's if

853
00:44:18,733 --> 00:44:21,373
Speaker 17: you're if you're calling it a high protection area, how

854
00:44:21,413 --> 00:44:23,853
Speaker 17: are you still howing commercial fishing to exist in there?

855
00:44:24,853 --> 00:44:28,533
Speaker 17: And you know, the main thing really is we need

856
00:44:28,573 --> 00:44:31,573
Speaker 17: a seat at the table. We need to be taken seriously.

857
00:44:32,293 --> 00:44:37,413
Speaker 17: The marine and fishing industry, recreationalized contributes a huge GDP

858
00:44:37,573 --> 00:44:41,212
Speaker 17: to the country. And we're all walks of life where

859
00:44:41,293 --> 00:44:44,213
Speaker 17: we're rich, we're poor, we're from all over New Zealand,

860
00:44:44,933 --> 00:44:49,133
Speaker 17: so everybody you know, we we fish, we care, and

861
00:44:49,213 --> 00:44:53,173
Speaker 17: we vote as well. So people need tate that into consideration.

862
00:44:53,813 --> 00:44:56,333
Speaker 2: Does it come does it come back to being you know,

863
00:44:56,453 --> 00:44:58,573
Speaker 2: the idea for a lot of New Zealanders out there

864
00:44:58,653 --> 00:45:01,013
Speaker 2: for many generations is you can go out on the

865
00:45:01,093 --> 00:45:03,413
Speaker 2: boat and catch yourself a feed for the family. You

866
00:45:03,493 --> 00:45:05,453
Speaker 2: feel that right is slowly being eroded.

867
00:45:06,973 --> 00:45:09,973
Speaker 17: It is, and it's been eroded by bit, and you

868
00:45:10,053 --> 00:45:12,093
Speaker 17: know there's certainly people out there that says, oh, it's

869
00:45:12,133 --> 00:45:15,333
Speaker 17: only small amount, it's only a small amount. We'll look

870
00:45:15,533 --> 00:45:18,573
Speaker 17: back far enough at all the small amounts. They all

871
00:45:18,613 --> 00:45:21,373
Speaker 17: add up to a large amount. And I guess this

872
00:45:21,653 --> 00:45:24,893
Speaker 17: just came about due to just getting frustrated and saying no,

873
00:45:24,973 --> 00:45:29,133
Speaker 17: that enough is enough. You know, we've had enough. I'll

874
00:45:29,213 --> 00:45:30,813
Speaker 17: use the voice I have and see who else is

875
00:45:30,853 --> 00:45:32,533
Speaker 17: interested in. It ends out there was a lot.

876
00:45:32,853 --> 00:45:33,053
Speaker 10: Yeah.

877
00:45:33,213 --> 00:45:34,893
Speaker 2: I mean you've got how many people have you got

878
00:45:34,973 --> 00:45:37,773
Speaker 2: in your Facebook page the New Zealand Fishing community. It's

879
00:45:37,773 --> 00:45:39,253
Speaker 2: about one hundred and ten thousand, is that right?

880
00:45:39,613 --> 00:45:42,053
Speaker 17: See hundred and ten thousand. So where a group runs

881
00:45:42,053 --> 00:45:45,213
Speaker 17: slightly different than a page. It's very interactive between members.

882
00:45:45,973 --> 00:45:48,933
Speaker 17: But I think we're the largest in the Southern Hemisphere

883
00:45:48,973 --> 00:45:52,973
Speaker 17: as a fishing group. So there's a huge, huge voice

884
00:45:53,013 --> 00:45:56,692
Speaker 17: and other people were bringing this up, and I thought, right,

885
00:45:56,733 --> 00:45:58,573
Speaker 17: you know, now's the time to do something that we

886
00:45:59,093 --> 00:46:00,853
Speaker 17: probably let the ball slip with the whole ky golf.

887
00:46:00,933 --> 00:46:02,853
Speaker 17: We've got a bit complacent thought it wouldn't happen, and

888
00:46:02,893 --> 00:46:05,733
Speaker 17: then all of a sudden it has. But maybe we

889
00:46:05,813 --> 00:46:07,973
Speaker 17: can help the rest of the country and maybe we

890
00:46:08,013 --> 00:46:12,053
Speaker 17: can get some of these toy adjustments to the hurricane

891
00:46:12,093 --> 00:46:12,933
Speaker 17: golf changed as well.

892
00:46:13,093 --> 00:46:16,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've got the protest on November twenty two, Ben.

893
00:46:17,293 --> 00:46:19,493
Speaker 2: If people are listening and they want to get involved,

894
00:46:20,253 --> 00:46:21,813
Speaker 2: how can they do that. Have you got a website?

895
00:46:23,093 --> 00:46:23,293
Speaker 7: Yeah?

896
00:46:23,373 --> 00:46:25,533
Speaker 17: So at the moment we're just running through the Facebook

897
00:46:25,573 --> 00:46:30,213
Speaker 17: page one Ocean Protest. We also have an Instagram channel

898
00:46:30,213 --> 00:46:32,253
Speaker 17: as well, just to try and reach some people. But

899
00:46:32,373 --> 00:46:34,053
Speaker 17: if there's any interest in there that can jump on

900
00:46:34,173 --> 00:46:37,732
Speaker 17: there and follow that. They can also join the Inns

901
00:46:37,893 --> 00:46:41,053
Speaker 17: Fishing Community Facebook group where it's more of a discussion

902
00:46:41,133 --> 00:46:44,093
Speaker 17: based forum. But yeah, that will keep everyone up to

903
00:46:44,173 --> 00:46:46,453
Speaker 17: date with everything that's happening. So we're all set for

904
00:46:46,533 --> 00:46:50,453
Speaker 17: the twenty seconds. We had another meeting this morning with

905
00:46:50,533 --> 00:46:54,333
Speaker 17: police and Orphan Transport, so everything's a bove board and

906
00:46:54,613 --> 00:46:55,093
Speaker 17: ready to go.

907
00:46:55,413 --> 00:46:57,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good luck for that. I've got a final

908
00:46:57,693 --> 00:47:00,893
Speaker 2: question for you, Ben though ec and your time as

909
00:47:00,893 --> 00:47:02,333
Speaker 2: a fisherman, and I take it you've done it for

910
00:47:02,453 --> 00:47:06,133
Speaker 2: some time maybe your whole life. Have you noticed in

911
00:47:06,173 --> 00:47:07,813
Speaker 2: the whole Achey Golf which I take it as your

912
00:47:07,853 --> 00:47:12,133
Speaker 2: primary primary fishing area, have you noticed to drop off

913
00:47:12,173 --> 00:47:13,653
Speaker 2: and catch over the last couple of decades.

914
00:47:15,893 --> 00:47:20,292
Speaker 17: I guess we're some species, you know, maybe like John

915
00:47:20,373 --> 00:47:27,453
Speaker 17: Dorian and journers, but in particular, nothing substantial. I'm no scientists, though,

916
00:47:28,293 --> 00:47:30,853
Speaker 17: you know. I do talk with some guys that operating

917
00:47:30,853 --> 00:47:33,973
Speaker 17: there on a commercial basis and they say they haven't

918
00:47:34,213 --> 00:47:37,573
Speaker 17: noticed the difference. But we all have a part to play.

919
00:47:38,013 --> 00:47:41,653
Speaker 17: It's not just us, or it's not just the commercial industry,

920
00:47:41,693 --> 00:47:44,652
Speaker 17: where we're all responsible for our shared Yeah.

921
00:47:44,773 --> 00:47:47,613
Speaker 2: Absolutely being go well on November the twenty second, and

922
00:47:47,653 --> 00:47:49,133
Speaker 2: thanks very much for coming on the program.

923
00:47:49,973 --> 00:47:50,573
Speaker 17: Thanks for having me.

924
00:47:50,893 --> 00:47:53,133
Speaker 2: That is being a chazelle. He is one of the

925
00:47:53,253 --> 00:47:56,573
Speaker 2: organizers of the One Ocean protest that's happening on November

926
00:47:56,573 --> 00:47:59,253
Speaker 2: the twenty seconds. But keen to get your views on this.

927
00:47:59,493 --> 00:48:03,613
Speaker 2: So the Hodaki Protection Act. If you're a recreational fisher,

928
00:48:03,653 --> 00:48:05,613
Speaker 2: how do you feel about this? The fact that there

929
00:48:05,693 --> 00:48:08,453
Speaker 2: are some allowances or exemptions for commercial fishes. Does that

930
00:48:08,533 --> 00:48:11,533
Speaker 2: great at you? And where does the balance like? Because

931
00:48:11,573 --> 00:48:13,893
Speaker 2: no doubt about it, we have a or we should

932
00:48:13,973 --> 00:48:16,933
Speaker 2: have a strong commercial fishing industry in this country, and

933
00:48:16,973 --> 00:48:19,093
Speaker 2: you're hoping a lot of those profits stay insuran and

934
00:48:19,173 --> 00:48:21,453
Speaker 2: it employs a lot of people. But where is the

935
00:48:21,533 --> 00:48:24,973
Speaker 2: balance when you are trying to protect sensitive areas and

936
00:48:25,253 --> 00:48:30,093
Speaker 2: allow those fish species to regroup and to boost back up.

937
00:48:30,453 --> 00:48:33,653
Speaker 2: Does it make sense when you exclude recreational fishes but

938
00:48:33,733 --> 00:48:36,213
Speaker 2: you still allow some commercial operators to come into it?

939
00:48:36,653 --> 00:48:39,413
Speaker 2: And where you operate it as a fisher person, have

940
00:48:39,533 --> 00:48:42,533
Speaker 2: you noticed a significant drop in the catch? And I

941
00:48:42,613 --> 00:48:45,652
Speaker 2: will say unlucky enough. My partner's family has a batch

942
00:48:45,693 --> 00:48:49,493
Speaker 2: in the Mlboro Sounds and every summer it seems like

943
00:48:49,573 --> 00:48:54,613
Speaker 2: it gets harder and harder to find fish. And anecdotally,

944
00:48:54,853 --> 00:48:57,453
Speaker 2: again I'm no scientist and Ben CD's no scientists, but

945
00:48:57,533 --> 00:49:00,973
Speaker 2: you do see those reports saying that our fishing population

946
00:49:01,213 --> 00:49:05,373
Speaker 2: are struggling around the country. So if you're going to

947
00:49:05,613 --> 00:49:09,093
Speaker 2: have protected areas, should that not apply for commercial as well?

948
00:49:09,173 --> 00:49:11,493
Speaker 2: Really keen to hear what you've got to say on this.

949
00:49:11,573 --> 00:49:14,333
Speaker 2: One oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two ninety

950
00:49:14,333 --> 00:49:17,613
Speaker 2: two is the text number is? Well, it is sixteen

951
00:49:17,653 --> 00:49:18,973
Speaker 2: past two. Back very shortly.

952
00:49:19,973 --> 00:49:24,453
Speaker 1: Wow, your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

953
00:49:24,613 --> 00:49:28,573
Speaker 1: afternoons call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

954
00:49:30,973 --> 00:49:32,533
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you. So there's a lot of

955
00:49:32,613 --> 00:49:37,212
Speaker 2: anger over the new protection acts around the Hodaki Golf.

956
00:49:37,973 --> 00:49:41,333
Speaker 2: It has been voted through and it will create new

957
00:49:41,653 --> 00:49:44,013
Speaker 2: high protection zones, all part of a push to restore

958
00:49:44,053 --> 00:49:47,013
Speaker 2: the golf struggling marine life. But the kicker is, and

959
00:49:47,093 --> 00:49:49,692
Speaker 2: this is what has caused the upset. Commercial fishes can

960
00:49:49,733 --> 00:49:52,533
Speaker 2: still apply to operate in some of those areas. They

961
00:49:52,573 --> 00:49:54,373
Speaker 2: are part of some of the exemptions. So what do

962
00:49:54,493 --> 00:49:57,173
Speaker 2: you say when it comes to these protection areas of

963
00:49:57,293 --> 00:50:00,373
Speaker 2: our ocean? Should it apply to commercial fishes Israel as

964
00:50:00,453 --> 00:50:03,893
Speaker 2: recreational recreational fish is hard done by when these sort

965
00:50:03,893 --> 00:50:05,733
Speaker 2: of rules are put in place, And I think no

966
00:50:05,853 --> 00:50:09,613
Speaker 2: doubt about it. There is a ruggle for marine life

967
00:50:09,653 --> 00:50:12,093
Speaker 2: and ecology up and down the country. Oh one hundred

968
00:50:12,093 --> 00:50:14,172
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call love

969
00:50:14,213 --> 00:50:15,013
Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts.

970
00:50:15,213 --> 00:50:18,453
Speaker 4: Get a Kevin, Yeah, good a how are you?

971
00:50:18,773 --> 00:50:20,133
Speaker 2: I'm not too bad? What's your thoughts?

972
00:50:21,333 --> 00:50:21,493
Speaker 9: Well?

973
00:50:21,653 --> 00:50:24,293
Speaker 4: My thoughts? My thoughts are I'm the seventy year old,

974
00:50:24,333 --> 00:50:26,373
Speaker 4: so I've seen the dem station of the fishery and

975
00:50:26,453 --> 00:50:31,533
Speaker 4: coralmandle with the docks nets. I've seen the Koreans going

976
00:50:31,573 --> 00:50:34,973
Speaker 4: out to the out to the Alderman's and raping and

977
00:50:35,053 --> 00:50:40,573
Speaker 4: pillaging out there, and I've seen you know, the commercial

978
00:50:40,693 --> 00:50:44,213
Speaker 4: take and so forth. I agree, I agree to agree

979
00:50:44,253 --> 00:50:46,973
Speaker 4: with the last guy you had on. But my take

980
00:50:47,173 --> 00:50:52,973
Speaker 4: is that you must cut the recreational from seven fish

981
00:50:53,013 --> 00:50:59,212
Speaker 4: to five and you must get the long line only

982
00:50:59,373 --> 00:51:03,013
Speaker 4: in the Gulf. I've seen the devastation of scottops on

983
00:51:03,093 --> 00:51:05,853
Speaker 4: the east and east coast right. They don't have a

984
00:51:05,893 --> 00:51:11,692
Speaker 4: scotop seeing it wit you hanger anymore because the snow

985
00:51:11,733 --> 00:51:16,253
Speaker 4: scullops there's on it and the latest is the latest

986
00:51:16,413 --> 00:51:21,613
Speaker 4: is the ewe at Longer Brow. They want a total

987
00:51:21,653 --> 00:51:24,373
Speaker 4: ban on taking everything from from the foreshore because the

988
00:51:24,533 --> 00:51:28,652
Speaker 4: bush loads of immigrants going up there and they're coming

989
00:51:28,693 --> 00:51:30,533
Speaker 4: out in the little red gum boots and wrong sticks

990
00:51:30,533 --> 00:51:32,533
Speaker 4: and so forth, and there's just nothing there for fish

991
00:51:32,573 --> 00:51:32,933
Speaker 4: to come in.

992
00:51:32,973 --> 00:51:35,293
Speaker 2: For well, you'd hope. I mean, that's all part of

993
00:51:35,333 --> 00:51:37,933
Speaker 2: the ecology, right Kevin. And it's not just h yeah,

994
00:51:37,973 --> 00:51:41,333
Speaker 2: it's not just visitors who are taking advantage of that.

995
00:51:41,533 --> 00:51:43,693
Speaker 2: I think you know that is one of the freedoms

996
00:51:43,733 --> 00:51:47,493
Speaker 2: we have in New Zealand, that the shellfish limits are

997
00:51:47,573 --> 00:51:50,453
Speaker 2: there in anybody who comes to our shores and New

998
00:51:50,533 --> 00:51:52,573
Speaker 2: Zealanders as well, which is I think is a good thing.

999
00:51:52,693 --> 00:51:55,213
Speaker 2: Is able to you know, to go down there and

1000
00:51:55,333 --> 00:51:58,773
Speaker 2: get themselves a feed of muscles or shell fish or indeed,

1001
00:51:58,933 --> 00:52:00,853
Speaker 2: as long as it's not a hoday golf apparently.

1002
00:52:02,133 --> 00:52:05,773
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you you talk just be talking about freedom camping,

1003
00:52:06,493 --> 00:52:08,733
Speaker 4: you go on the hatfields for those, well, just had

1004
00:52:08,733 --> 00:52:10,293
Speaker 4: to put some big rocks up by the bridge there

1005
00:52:10,373 --> 00:52:14,813
Speaker 4: to stop the islands staying there all over over somewhere

1006
00:52:14,933 --> 00:52:17,933
Speaker 4: and going out and setting nets and just sitting there

1007
00:52:18,293 --> 00:52:20,652
Speaker 4: weekend when they go out, when one family goes out

1008
00:52:20,693 --> 00:52:23,053
Speaker 4: and they set the net, and then they go home,

1009
00:52:23,093 --> 00:52:24,613
Speaker 4: and then the next family comes in. So it's not

1010
00:52:24,653 --> 00:52:25,853
Speaker 4: the same people doing it all the time.

1011
00:52:25,933 --> 00:52:28,013
Speaker 2: But that's the rules problem, though, wasn't it given? Because

1012
00:52:28,053 --> 00:52:30,613
Speaker 2: those rules are allowed and anybody can go and do that.

1013
00:52:30,773 --> 00:52:33,893
Speaker 2: But here's you know, hence where the problem lies across

1014
00:52:33,933 --> 00:52:34,212
Speaker 2: the board.

1015
00:52:34,333 --> 00:52:36,653
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they've been thrown they've been thrown out of Wenderhum,

1016
00:52:36,693 --> 00:52:38,733
Speaker 4: they've been thrown out of Shakespeare because they're doing it

1017
00:52:38,853 --> 00:52:41,692
Speaker 4: at Shakespeare and they've been thrown out of Arkle's Bay,

1018
00:52:42,013 --> 00:52:46,692
Speaker 4: and and and with the increase of population before sure

1019
00:52:47,013 --> 00:52:49,093
Speaker 4: down to the bottom to the low tide mark is

1020
00:52:49,173 --> 00:52:53,053
Speaker 4: kept so fish breed, fish can come in and feed

1021
00:52:53,613 --> 00:52:59,293
Speaker 4: right and so forth, you know, you know, and some

1022
00:52:59,373 --> 00:53:04,693
Speaker 4: of these restrictions you've got on the inner cower around

1023
00:53:04,733 --> 00:53:06,653
Speaker 4: those islands and that sort of thing. Even the noisies,

1024
00:53:06,973 --> 00:53:09,293
Speaker 4: if they just brought it back and just removed the

1025
00:53:09,893 --> 00:53:12,772
Speaker 4: removed the only had long lines for the commercial guys

1026
00:53:14,533 --> 00:53:15,373
Speaker 4: inside the barrier.

1027
00:53:15,493 --> 00:53:17,213
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would agree with that, Kevin.

1028
00:53:17,253 --> 00:53:19,533
Speaker 2: But do you think that's realistic. I mean, clearly there's

1029
00:53:19,533 --> 00:53:20,973
Speaker 2: an exemption for the commercial guys.

1030
00:53:22,733 --> 00:53:25,053
Speaker 4: Police. I used to work with a guy called George

1031
00:53:25,093 --> 00:53:28,813
Speaker 4: and the corrimandle and people taking people taking undersized power

1032
00:53:28,853 --> 00:53:30,853
Speaker 4: and that sort of thing, you know. And he wished

1033
00:53:30,893 --> 00:53:32,253
Speaker 4: to nail and left right in the center.

1034
00:53:33,573 --> 00:53:33,933
Speaker 9: In the center.

1035
00:53:34,373 --> 00:53:36,212
Speaker 2: But when you when you and I hear what you're saying, Kevin,

1036
00:53:36,253 --> 00:53:38,093
Speaker 2: and you've got a lot of experience here, but when

1037
00:53:38,253 --> 00:53:40,813
Speaker 2: you tweak the rules somewhat to say you can do

1038
00:53:40,933 --> 00:53:43,053
Speaker 2: this type of fishing and not that type of fishing,

1039
00:53:43,333 --> 00:53:45,613
Speaker 2: it just opens it up for people to float the rules,

1040
00:53:45,693 --> 00:53:48,333
Speaker 2: doesn't it wouldn't it be better that in the case

1041
00:53:48,373 --> 00:53:51,613
Speaker 2: of the Hodarky golf that that's commercial guy's recreation where

1042
00:53:51,613 --> 00:53:54,093
Speaker 2: everybody is banned from that area for a certain amount

1043
00:53:54,133 --> 00:53:57,653
Speaker 2: of time until the fish populations bounce back. And indeed,

1044
00:53:57,733 --> 00:53:59,733
Speaker 2: down in the South Island parts of the Molborough Sounds

1045
00:53:59,773 --> 00:54:02,853
Speaker 2: that you say, there's no fishing in those areas until

1046
00:54:02,893 --> 00:54:05,813
Speaker 2: the fish populations bounce back for a couple of years.

1047
00:54:05,973 --> 00:54:07,413
Speaker 2: You know, That's what they did with the par went

1048
00:54:07,453 --> 00:54:10,213
Speaker 2: down in Kai Quarter and that that made sense. Everyone's said,

1049
00:54:10,213 --> 00:54:12,533
Speaker 2: fair enough, no power for a couple of years because

1050
00:54:12,533 --> 00:54:13,213
Speaker 2: they're devastated.

1051
00:54:14,173 --> 00:54:17,733
Speaker 4: You take a lovely, lovely poor nights up to you, right,

1052
00:54:18,253 --> 00:54:20,253
Speaker 4: we used to us to get used to have it.

1053
00:54:20,293 --> 00:54:21,773
Speaker 4: There's a writ used to be a ring around where

1054
00:54:21,773 --> 00:54:24,813
Speaker 4: you couldn't do anything to dive inside that. Well they've

1055
00:54:24,893 --> 00:54:27,533
Speaker 4: made that, they've expanded that. But the commercial guys all

1056
00:54:27,573 --> 00:54:30,893
Speaker 4: that inside that now there with the w's the.

1057
00:54:31,413 --> 00:54:34,013
Speaker 2: Sense and that well that's craziness. There's craziness. But I

1058
00:54:34,053 --> 00:54:36,573
Speaker 2: do know, Kevin, you know there was there was some prosecutions,

1059
00:54:36,613 --> 00:54:39,093
Speaker 2: big prosecutions about some of those commercial guys who went

1060
00:54:39,493 --> 00:54:42,573
Speaker 2: too far into that that marine reserve and work quite

1061
00:54:42,693 --> 00:54:43,213
Speaker 2: you know, it's not.

1062
00:54:43,333 --> 00:54:45,893
Speaker 4: It's not least enough, you know. I see trawlers. I

1063
00:54:46,013 --> 00:54:50,573
Speaker 4: see trawlers dropping the gear off, off, ring to light

1064
00:54:51,093 --> 00:54:53,692
Speaker 4: and when you ring, when you ring mat, they say, well,

1065
00:54:53,693 --> 00:54:55,373
Speaker 4: what's the name of the boat? How the hell from

1066
00:54:55,413 --> 00:54:57,533
Speaker 4: takapoona beach? Can I see the name of the boat,

1067
00:54:57,773 --> 00:54:59,172
Speaker 4: but you can see the gear going down.

1068
00:54:59,573 --> 00:55:01,533
Speaker 2: You've raised a lot of good points, Kevin, and and

1069
00:55:01,613 --> 00:55:03,733
Speaker 2: you're right, it is pretty hard to police all of

1070
00:55:03,773 --> 00:55:06,853
Speaker 2: our coastlines around New Zealand. Perhaps there needs to be

1071
00:55:06,893 --> 00:55:09,733
Speaker 2: a funding boost for fishery New Zealands. I think I

1072
00:55:09,973 --> 00:55:12,172
Speaker 2: think the fines are pretty well set though, Kevin. If

1073
00:55:12,213 --> 00:55:13,733
Speaker 2: they get the guys, You're quite right, you've got to

1074
00:55:13,733 --> 00:55:15,973
Speaker 2: get them first. You don't reckonize stron enough.

1075
00:55:16,213 --> 00:55:19,973
Speaker 4: Go harder Australia. Mate. When I look at when I

1076
00:55:20,093 --> 00:55:22,533
Speaker 4: look at Texas, when I look at what's name and

1077
00:55:22,733 --> 00:55:25,692
Speaker 4: and and the penalties and the policing and the SAP forth.

1078
00:55:26,093 --> 00:55:27,973
Speaker 4: You know, even if even if they put a license,

1079
00:55:28,013 --> 00:55:32,053
Speaker 4: if they have a license license to fish, hey like

1080
00:55:32,133 --> 00:55:34,493
Speaker 4: they do with trout, And if you're caught, you lose

1081
00:55:34,533 --> 00:55:36,212
Speaker 4: your car, you lose your gear. Boom boom boom.

1082
00:55:36,453 --> 00:55:39,093
Speaker 2: Yep, hey, not a bad idea. We'll see if others

1083
00:55:39,093 --> 00:55:40,973
Speaker 2: agree with you. Kevin, thank you very much for kicking

1084
00:55:41,053 --> 00:55:42,533
Speaker 2: us off. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty

1085
00:55:42,733 --> 00:55:44,812
Speaker 2: is that number to call? How do you feel about

1086
00:55:44,853 --> 00:55:47,573
Speaker 2: these increasing marine reserves? I got to say, I got

1087
00:55:47,693 --> 00:55:49,652
Speaker 2: no problem with a marine reserve. In fact, I think

1088
00:55:49,733 --> 00:55:52,333
Speaker 2: it's vitally needed. Clearly, there is a problem with our

1089
00:55:53,373 --> 00:55:55,853
Speaker 2: ocean ecology up and down the country and they need

1090
00:55:55,973 --> 00:55:57,853
Speaker 2: time to bounce back and they need to have a

1091
00:55:57,893 --> 00:56:00,333
Speaker 2: bit of a breather. But when you've got these rules

1092
00:56:00,493 --> 00:56:03,493
Speaker 2: like the Hdaikei Marine Protection Act, but you still allow

1093
00:56:03,653 --> 00:56:06,373
Speaker 2: exemptions for commercial guys to come in, where is the

1094
00:56:06,453 --> 00:56:10,173
Speaker 2: sense in that? And I under stand commercial guys. The

1095
00:56:10,333 --> 00:56:12,933
Speaker 2: industry is huge in New Zealand and it employs a

1096
00:56:12,973 --> 00:56:14,613
Speaker 2: lot of people and they need to make a profit.

1097
00:56:14,733 --> 00:56:18,493
Speaker 2: But if you're going to declare a marine protection or

1098
00:56:18,573 --> 00:56:21,413
Speaker 2: sensitive area, then that should be for the commercial guys

1099
00:56:21,413 --> 00:56:23,293
Speaker 2: as well. Right, they can go a little bit further out.

1100
00:56:23,573 --> 00:56:25,053
Speaker 2: But what do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty

1101
00:56:25,093 --> 00:56:26,933
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call. It's twenty six

1102
00:56:26,973 --> 00:56:28,053
Speaker 2: past two. Back in the Mic.

1103
00:56:32,173 --> 00:56:35,573
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call, oh eight hundred and

1104
00:56:35,613 --> 00:56:37,813
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news talks'd be for.

1105
00:56:37,893 --> 00:56:40,493
Speaker 2: We good afternoons. You we're talking about the Hodaki Marine

1106
00:56:40,533 --> 00:56:42,853
Speaker 2: Protection Act, a whole bunch of new areas in the

1107
00:56:42,933 --> 00:56:46,773
Speaker 2: Hodache Golf that excludes recreational fishes. But what's upsets a

1108
00:56:46,853 --> 00:56:50,013
Speaker 2: lot of those recreational fishes is that there is exemptions

1109
00:56:50,093 --> 00:56:53,692
Speaker 2: for commercial operators to apply to still fish in those

1110
00:56:53,853 --> 00:56:56,093
Speaker 2: so called protected areas. So does that make sense to

1111
00:56:56,213 --> 00:56:59,413
Speaker 2: you or is it fair enough When you've got a

1112
00:56:59,693 --> 00:57:03,053
Speaker 2: commercial operation you need those dollars coming in. Should you

1113
00:57:03,133 --> 00:57:07,493
Speaker 2: put commercial operators before recreational fishes? Many would argue that

1114
00:57:07,653 --> 00:57:09,293
Speaker 2: it is a right of passage in New Zealand to

1115
00:57:09,333 --> 00:57:10,733
Speaker 2: be able to go out on a boat or go

1116
00:57:10,853 --> 00:57:13,253
Speaker 2: on the rocks and fish and bring home some food

1117
00:57:13,293 --> 00:57:16,013
Speaker 2: for your family. And some of the commercial operators are

1118
00:57:16,053 --> 00:57:19,133
Speaker 2: taking those profits off overseas.

1119
00:57:19,613 --> 00:57:20,093
Speaker 13: Is that right?

1120
00:57:20,253 --> 00:57:21,773
Speaker 2: Can you hear from you? Oh, eight hundred and eighty

1121
00:57:21,813 --> 00:57:23,453
Speaker 2: ten eighty is that number yet a Mike?

1122
00:57:25,053 --> 00:57:29,813
Speaker 4: Yeah, afternoon, Tyler. I don't prison the hierarchic golf, but yeah,

1123
00:57:29,813 --> 00:57:33,973
Speaker 4: I can't believe that they can keep the recreational people

1124
00:57:34,053 --> 00:57:38,413
Speaker 4: out and let commercial carry on, especially like and even

1125
00:57:38,493 --> 00:57:40,693
Speaker 4: worse had trawling and everything like that.

1126
00:57:41,013 --> 00:57:41,213
Speaker 9: You know.

1127
00:57:41,933 --> 00:57:43,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the trawling is a big one, and I

1128
00:57:43,413 --> 00:57:45,093
Speaker 2: think a lot of people would agree that they need

1129
00:57:45,173 --> 00:57:47,933
Speaker 2: to do something about the trawling. It just devastates a

1130
00:57:47,973 --> 00:57:48,853
Speaker 2: lot of that ecology.

1131
00:57:50,093 --> 00:57:53,213
Speaker 4: But what I want is what affects, what affakes me,

1132
00:57:53,373 --> 00:57:55,693
Speaker 4: and what I want to talk about was like, yeah,

1133
00:57:55,813 --> 00:57:58,533
Speaker 4: I fish on both the west and the East coast

1134
00:57:58,573 --> 00:58:02,253
Speaker 4: of the North Island, but on the and die the

1135
00:58:02,333 --> 00:58:04,453
Speaker 4: lower East coast of.

1136
00:58:04,573 --> 00:58:05,293
Speaker 13: The North Island.

1137
00:58:06,333 --> 00:58:10,453
Speaker 4: Great the Parware area. They took fifty percent of the

1138
00:58:10,973 --> 00:58:14,373
Speaker 4: limit away from recreational. It used to be about ten

1139
00:58:14,813 --> 00:58:17,773
Speaker 4: they changed it to five. And at the same time,

1140
00:58:17,933 --> 00:58:21,653
Speaker 4: the recreation and the ewee take was not altered. I

1141
00:58:21,853 --> 00:58:25,333
Speaker 4: just got it. I couldn't believe that. You know, you

1142
00:58:25,653 --> 00:58:30,973
Speaker 4: do talk about the commercial industry is being a lot

1143
00:58:31,013 --> 00:58:34,853
Speaker 4: of money, but the recreational is an industry in his

1144
00:58:34,933 --> 00:58:40,773
Speaker 4: own you know, boats, fishing, bait, ice, petrol, you know,

1145
00:58:41,093 --> 00:58:45,253
Speaker 4: it's a huge industry in his own Yeah, I mean

1146
00:58:45,293 --> 00:58:45,533
Speaker 4: as well.

1147
00:58:45,973 --> 00:58:47,413
Speaker 2: I mean that's what it comes to. Yeah, I mean,

1148
00:58:47,453 --> 00:58:49,213
Speaker 2: it's fair point, mind, And that's what it comes down

1149
00:58:49,253 --> 00:58:51,413
Speaker 2: to right is I think if we're all trying to

1150
00:58:51,453 --> 00:58:53,693
Speaker 2: be fair minded here, we can understand the need for

1151
00:58:54,053 --> 00:58:57,493
Speaker 2: marine protection zones. But when it is a protection zone,

1152
00:58:57,533 --> 00:58:59,973
Speaker 2: it should mean that everybody stays out of there, because

1153
00:59:00,013 --> 00:59:02,853
Speaker 2: the whole point of those protection zones is to boost

1154
00:59:02,933 --> 00:59:05,693
Speaker 2: back up the fishing population and let the ecology repair

1155
00:59:06,373 --> 00:59:09,493
Speaker 2: and and you know, the ability for the ocean to regenerate.

1156
00:59:09,653 --> 00:59:14,573
Speaker 2: So then when you allow exemptions, it defeats the whole

1157
00:59:14,613 --> 00:59:16,933
Speaker 2: purpose and it makes a mockery of of what a

1158
00:59:17,013 --> 00:59:19,413
Speaker 2: so called marine protection zones. And most of us would

1159
00:59:19,453 --> 00:59:21,693
Speaker 2: care about our oceans and our fisheries, even even if

1160
00:59:21,733 --> 00:59:24,413
Speaker 2: you don't go out and fish. I think it's something

1161
00:59:24,493 --> 00:59:26,453
Speaker 2: we should all deeply care about, is the health of

1162
00:59:26,493 --> 00:59:28,573
Speaker 2: our oceans. And that to me makes no sense that

1163
00:59:28,653 --> 00:59:31,293
Speaker 2: you allow an exemption for commercial guys to jump in there.

1164
00:59:32,293 --> 00:59:36,973
Speaker 4: Correct, correct, But as when those women's cut and quota,

1165
00:59:37,653 --> 00:59:42,373
Speaker 4: it should be equal amongst the three parties, the commercial

1166
00:59:42,453 --> 00:59:46,253
Speaker 4: and the recreation. But it's always the recreational anglers that

1167
00:59:46,333 --> 00:59:49,373
Speaker 4: are on the on the on the behind tit. You know,

1168
00:59:49,813 --> 00:59:53,453
Speaker 4: they just get slashed all the time. And as next

1169
00:59:53,533 --> 00:59:59,413
Speaker 4: to none or smaller reductions to the e and traditional

1170
00:59:59,533 --> 01:00:04,293
Speaker 4: gathering and the commercial guys still commercial fishermen nature. They

1171
01:00:04,293 --> 01:00:09,493
Speaker 4: are embarrassed by that power cut on our east coast side.

1172
01:00:10,733 --> 01:00:13,413
Speaker 4: They were allowed to carry on with full quota when

1173
01:00:13,493 --> 01:00:15,613
Speaker 4: recreational took fifty percent production.

1174
01:00:16,933 --> 01:00:18,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, look, I think it's fair. There's got to

1175
01:00:18,693 --> 01:00:21,693
Speaker 2: be some some tweaks all around, Mike, and it's got

1176
01:00:21,773 --> 01:00:23,733
Speaker 2: to be that if it is a protected area, it's

1177
01:00:23,813 --> 01:00:27,693
Speaker 2: protected from everybody, because that's the whole point, right we

1178
01:00:27,853 --> 01:00:29,893
Speaker 2: I think most of us can get behind a protected

1179
01:00:29,933 --> 01:00:32,413
Speaker 2: area and the reasons for that, but you've got to

1180
01:00:32,453 --> 01:00:35,493
Speaker 2: make sure that nobody goes into that protected area. But

1181
01:00:35,573 --> 01:00:37,013
Speaker 2: what do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

1182
01:00:37,053 --> 01:00:40,013
Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call headlines with railing coming up.

1183
01:00:40,013 --> 01:00:41,973
Speaker 2: Then we're taking more of your views on this one.

1184
01:00:42,013 --> 01:00:43,253
Speaker 2: It is twenty eight to three.

1185
01:00:46,093 --> 01:00:49,773
Speaker 11: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1186
01:00:49,933 --> 01:00:53,213
Speaker 11: no trouble with a blue bubble. The government's deficit is

1187
01:00:53,293 --> 01:00:58,133
Speaker 11: half a billion dollars larger than forecast in interim Treasury statements.

1188
01:00:58,493 --> 01:01:02,573
Speaker 11: The operating balance before gains and losses excluding acc had

1189
01:01:02,573 --> 01:01:06,133
Speaker 11: a four billion dollar deficit. New Zealand has no new

1190
01:01:06,293 --> 01:01:09,213
Speaker 11: measles cases today, but if one hundred and thirty one

1191
01:01:09,413 --> 01:01:14,813
Speaker 11: open contacts, sixteen are symptomatic. The government's widening the scope

1192
01:01:14,853 --> 01:01:18,533
Speaker 11: to attract investment in gas with any new fields ten

1193
01:01:18,653 --> 01:01:23,533
Speaker 11: years away from starting. Youth Development Group Kickback says whether

1194
01:01:23,653 --> 01:01:26,973
Speaker 11: rough sleepers are allowed in CBDs or they are told

1195
01:01:27,053 --> 01:01:30,053
Speaker 11: to move, it's essentially the same thing and you have

1196
01:01:30,173 --> 01:01:33,653
Speaker 11: to ask where they'll go. The government's considering letting police

1197
01:01:33,773 --> 01:01:37,893
Speaker 11: move people on Liveline's been forced by funding issues to

1198
01:01:37,973 --> 01:01:41,213
Speaker 11: reduce its hours to now take calls from seven am

1199
01:01:41,333 --> 01:01:46,213
Speaker 11: to midnight. Labour hopes making cervical screening free and tied

1200
01:01:46,253 --> 01:01:49,733
Speaker 11: to its proposed med card will increase uptake of the test.

1201
01:01:50,853 --> 01:01:54,613
Speaker 11: The data blind spot weakening New Zealand's health system. You

1202
01:01:54,693 --> 01:01:57,613
Speaker 11: can see the full column at ENDZ Herald Premium. Back

1203
01:01:57,653 --> 01:01:59,013
Speaker 11: to Matteeth and Tyler Adams.

1204
01:01:59,133 --> 01:02:02,053
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Raylean, and we are talking about

1205
01:02:02,093 --> 01:02:06,013
Speaker 2: the Hodaki Marine Retection Act. It's going to exclude recreational

1206
01:02:06,053 --> 01:02:09,893
Speaker 2: fishes from large parts of the Hodaki Golf. The protected

1207
01:02:09,933 --> 01:02:14,173
Speaker 2: areas are scattered around some of the more popular spots

1208
01:02:14,253 --> 01:02:17,413
Speaker 2: that recreational fishes go. But what's upset a lot of

1209
01:02:17,453 --> 01:02:20,413
Speaker 2: them is that there are some exemptions for commercial fishes.

1210
01:02:20,493 --> 01:02:23,053
Speaker 2: So does that make sense for you? Eight hundred to you?

1211
01:02:23,373 --> 01:02:26,053
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

1212
01:02:26,133 --> 01:02:29,333
Speaker 2: Couple of texts here? Ageto mate, I'm a deep sea

1213
01:02:29,493 --> 01:02:31,533
Speaker 2: trawling skipper. I won't give my name as it's a

1214
01:02:31,573 --> 01:02:34,853
Speaker 2: pretty small industry. Personally, I'd say the rationale behind letting

1215
01:02:34,853 --> 01:02:37,293
Speaker 2: the commercial guys into the reserves is that it gives

1216
01:02:37,493 --> 01:02:42,013
Speaker 2: NPI a real time look at the state of the fishery. Interesting.

1217
01:02:42,053 --> 01:02:44,893
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for that text. Having grown up

1218
01:02:44,933 --> 01:02:47,973
Speaker 2: in the golf, I find the fishing for snapper is

1219
01:02:48,133 --> 01:02:50,853
Speaker 2: much better now in my fifties. But what I have

1220
01:02:51,053 --> 01:02:53,693
Speaker 2: noticed is the growing number of sharks everywhere. They used

1221
01:02:53,693 --> 01:02:57,013
Speaker 2: to be rarely seen but are prolific now. Kenny, hear

1222
01:02:57,053 --> 01:02:58,973
Speaker 2: from you if you agree with that, more sharks in

1223
01:02:58,973 --> 01:03:01,813
Speaker 2: the Hodaki golf Tyler. I'm all for marine reserves. They

1224
01:03:01,893 --> 01:03:03,773
Speaker 2: serve their purpose, but I think we need to stop

1225
01:03:03,813 --> 01:03:07,653
Speaker 2: all commercial fishing within five to ten k's of the shoreline.

1226
01:03:08,013 --> 01:03:11,573
Speaker 2: Leave that for the recreational fishes and the commercial fishermen

1227
01:03:11,653 --> 01:03:13,893
Speaker 2: can have the other one hundred and ninety k's from David,

1228
01:03:14,173 --> 01:03:16,053
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Keep those ticks coming through on

1229
01:03:16,293 --> 01:03:18,773
Speaker 2: nine to ninety two. Hey you Steve.

1230
01:03:20,333 --> 01:03:23,013
Speaker 9: Tyler. Hey look, just a couple of thanks. Commercial fishes

1231
01:03:23,293 --> 01:03:27,853
Speaker 9: out in any increase in the biomass there just get

1232
01:03:27,933 --> 01:03:30,053
Speaker 9: sucked up by those guys. So I think that's a

1233
01:03:30,693 --> 01:03:32,533
Speaker 9: that's a moot point. But I do have a solution,

1234
01:03:32,893 --> 01:03:36,373
Speaker 9: right and that well, and one other thing too. What

1235
01:03:36,573 --> 01:03:39,453
Speaker 9: these high protection areas and no go zones are going

1236
01:03:39,493 --> 01:03:42,533
Speaker 9: to do is going to push people in smaller boats

1237
01:03:42,893 --> 01:03:47,173
Speaker 9: further out and dangering people's lives. And that worries me

1238
01:03:47,293 --> 01:03:49,213
Speaker 9: because it can get pretty narly out there in the Gulf.

1239
01:03:49,533 --> 01:03:50,293
Speaker 4: I do have a solution.

1240
01:03:51,173 --> 01:03:54,453
Speaker 9: My solution is this, and that is that if you

1241
01:03:54,453 --> 01:03:56,853
Speaker 9: want to get for a troutfish, you need a license.

1242
01:03:57,253 --> 01:03:58,933
Speaker 9: If you want to go and shoot ducks and pheasants

1243
01:03:58,973 --> 01:04:01,453
Speaker 9: and quail during the shooting seaton, you need a license.

1244
01:04:02,573 --> 01:04:04,933
Speaker 9: If you want a first out there, then I say

1245
01:04:05,173 --> 01:04:08,893
Speaker 9: you need a license. But the fee for that license

1246
01:04:09,053 --> 01:04:13,453
Speaker 9: should be invested into a fish breeding program where they

1247
01:04:13,493 --> 01:04:15,893
Speaker 9: can breed snapper. And I know they're breeding kingfish up

1248
01:04:15,933 --> 01:04:20,533
Speaker 9: in one Garay as one of the research outfits, but

1249
01:04:20,653 --> 01:04:23,653
Speaker 9: they can breed a lot of fish. And one of

1250
01:04:23,693 --> 01:04:26,133
Speaker 9: the other things is with these commercial guys fucking fish

1251
01:04:26,173 --> 01:04:29,013
Speaker 9: out of the harricky golf. I think from memory they're

1252
01:04:29,053 --> 01:04:33,373
Speaker 9: taking something like was it four hundred thousand tons of

1253
01:04:35,213 --> 01:04:39,933
Speaker 9: feedby mass, which is anchovies, you know, sprats that type

1254
01:04:39,933 --> 01:04:43,373
Speaker 9: of thing out of there. If that's stuffs not there,

1255
01:04:43,933 --> 01:04:45,813
Speaker 9: you're not going to grow the snapper and the kingvesh

1256
01:04:45,853 --> 01:04:47,813
Speaker 9: and the other but thesis because there's nothing for them

1257
01:04:47,853 --> 01:04:48,173
Speaker 9: to eat.

1258
01:04:48,333 --> 01:04:49,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1259
01:04:49,773 --> 01:04:51,853
Speaker 9: One of the other things that has been happening out

1260
01:04:51,893 --> 01:04:54,173
Speaker 9: there as well that a lot of people aren't aware of,

1261
01:04:54,773 --> 01:04:57,533
Speaker 9: is that there has been some muscle bed seeding out there,

1262
01:04:59,373 --> 01:05:01,973
Speaker 9: you know, you know, in the in the golf. But anyway,

1263
01:05:02,453 --> 01:05:05,133
Speaker 9: and I wouldn't have a problem with a license, but

1264
01:05:05,293 --> 01:05:08,053
Speaker 9: the well, then the only problem you have with was,

1265
01:05:08,133 --> 01:05:10,533
Speaker 9: like to think, and the government, any government of any

1266
01:05:10,573 --> 01:05:13,373
Speaker 9: stripe getting involved as all of a sudden, it all

1267
01:05:13,413 --> 01:05:17,973
Speaker 9: goes out the front door and there's you know, huge bureaucracy.

1268
01:05:18,053 --> 01:05:20,693
Speaker 9: Therefore for such a little return, that part that scares me.

1269
01:05:20,893 --> 01:05:23,773
Speaker 2: Well, I think the admin would be hopefully pretty straightforward.

1270
01:05:23,773 --> 01:05:25,573
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying though, Steve, but you're quite right.

1271
01:05:25,653 --> 01:05:28,093
Speaker 2: The old fishing license is common over in Australia and

1272
01:05:28,173 --> 01:05:30,373
Speaker 2: many other parts of the world, and I imagine most

1273
01:05:31,333 --> 01:05:35,853
Speaker 2: fair minded recreational fishermen wouldn't mind paying for a license

1274
01:05:35,973 --> 01:05:39,133
Speaker 2: to you know, to be able to fish in particular seasons.

1275
01:05:39,413 --> 01:05:41,133
Speaker 2: I mean the good ones. They go through all the

1276
01:05:41,213 --> 01:05:42,853
Speaker 2: rest of the plava, make sure they get their day

1277
01:05:42,893 --> 01:05:45,453
Speaker 2: skipper's course and maybe further than that, and they spend

1278
01:05:45,453 --> 01:05:47,893
Speaker 2: their hec a lot of money on fishing gear. So

1279
01:05:48,333 --> 01:05:50,173
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of hundred bucks for a season

1280
01:05:50,613 --> 01:05:51,653
Speaker 2: I don't think would be out.

1281
01:05:51,573 --> 01:05:53,573
Speaker 9: Of the question. Well, you don't even need a couple

1282
01:05:53,653 --> 01:05:56,013
Speaker 9: hundred bucks. I think that fishing in New Zealand is

1283
01:05:56,053 --> 01:06:00,253
Speaker 9: one of the biggest recreational sport. I think what to

1284
01:06:00,373 --> 01:06:01,093
Speaker 9: call it the sports?

1285
01:06:01,093 --> 01:06:01,533
Speaker 3: It's one of the.

1286
01:06:01,573 --> 01:06:05,453
Speaker 9: Biggest recreation of pastimes. Look, even if you charged seventy

1287
01:06:05,533 --> 01:06:10,853
Speaker 9: five dollars per angler per annum, it would be huge. No,

1288
01:06:10,893 --> 01:06:13,533
Speaker 9: I haven't done the numbers, but I would expect that

1289
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Speaker 9: it would be huge.

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Speaker 2: I mean the ring fencing, as you say, that is

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Speaker 2: the added complication, and I agree it should be ring

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Speaker 2: fenced into going back to marine protection, but I would

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01:06:23,573 --> 01:06:25,093
Speaker 2: do you think that would be enough that if you

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01:06:25,613 --> 01:06:28,173
Speaker 2: put money in you you probably know better than I do. Steve.

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Speaker 2: If you put that that sort of funding into the

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Speaker 2: likes of boosting a fish population and species regeneration, is

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Speaker 2: that enough outside of just these marine protection zones that

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Speaker 2: they are setting up.

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Speaker 9: I would say yes, because one of the things that

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01:06:44,893 --> 01:06:49,413
Speaker 9: with fish breeding in the Gulf in the what would

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Speaker 9: call say a haphazard manner, a lot of the eggs

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01:06:53,333 --> 01:06:54,853
Speaker 9: or whatever loss a lot of eggs are eaten by

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01:06:54,893 --> 01:06:58,053
Speaker 9: small fish or whatever. It's an environment where we can

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Speaker 9: breed fish. I think that the mortality rate would would

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01:07:01,853 --> 01:07:10,333
Speaker 9: you know, minimal, would get a far greater you know

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01:07:10,333 --> 01:07:13,013
Speaker 9: what I'm looking for. Increase the biomass. Then you can

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01:07:13,093 --> 01:07:15,733
Speaker 9: let them go wherever you want. But they stopped taking

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01:07:15,813 --> 01:07:18,533
Speaker 9: all the sprats and the anchovia's out. You know, there's

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01:07:18,533 --> 01:07:20,653
Speaker 9: plenty there for them to eat. And I know with

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Speaker 9: the muscle bed seating that brings in the crab, that

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01:07:23,493 --> 01:07:24,973
Speaker 9: brings in a whole lot of things in the snap

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01:07:25,013 --> 01:07:27,173
Speaker 9: of color and eat the crabs. And I was out

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01:07:27,173 --> 01:07:32,133
Speaker 9: there on the weekend and I was up around between

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01:07:32,253 --> 01:07:35,893
Speaker 9: cow ow And and Little Barrier, and I was in

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Speaker 9: the middle of a work up there which went for

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Speaker 9: about forty minutes. There were well over a thousand gannets.

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Speaker 9: There were dolphins going flat out and there were three

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Speaker 9: whales there at.

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Speaker 18: The same time.

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Speaker 2: Wha, what an experience.

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Speaker 9: It was just seriously, the water was turquoise, there was

1322
01:07:53,213 --> 01:07:55,333
Speaker 9: so much year in it from the birds and the

1323
01:07:56,453 --> 01:07:59,973
Speaker 9: just going crazy. But you know, looking at looking at

1324
01:08:00,653 --> 01:08:04,693
Speaker 9: my chart plotter, that was skinny out there, like you know,

1325
01:08:06,013 --> 01:08:06,693
Speaker 9: very very skinny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much, Steve. And Steve's right, it's

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01:08:10,413 --> 01:08:12,693
Speaker 2: a multi pronged issue that we've got going on here

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01:08:12,773 --> 01:08:15,933
Speaker 2: with our ocean health. Surely, if you've got experience in this,

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01:08:16,053 --> 01:08:17,572
Speaker 2: love to hear from you on Old eight hundred eighty

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01:08:17,653 --> 01:08:19,213
Speaker 2: ten eighty. But we can all see it. There's a

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01:08:19,293 --> 01:08:22,053
Speaker 2: lot of things going wrong. And it feels even with

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01:08:22,173 --> 01:08:25,612
Speaker 2: these marine protection areas and the fact you give exemptions

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01:08:25,652 --> 01:08:27,652
Speaker 2: to commercial fishes to go in there, it doesn't make

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01:08:27,772 --> 01:08:29,652
Speaker 2: any sense to me. But it does feel like we're

1335
01:08:29,692 --> 01:08:33,453
Speaker 2: trying to put out a scrub fire with one fire extinguisher.

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01:08:33,772 --> 01:08:37,372
Speaker 2: I mean, it feels like some stronger regulation is needed

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01:08:38,053 --> 01:08:41,132
Speaker 2: like this from Bob. He text through and said moving

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01:08:41,612 --> 01:08:44,093
Speaker 2: fisheries so all areas get a two or three year

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01:08:44,173 --> 01:08:47,852
Speaker 2: recovery time from all fishing around the country. That is

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01:08:47,893 --> 01:08:50,012
Speaker 2: what needs to happen. Do you agree with some more

1341
01:08:50,213 --> 01:08:54,053
Speaker 2: some stricter regulation around these protection areas that some need

1342
01:08:54,173 --> 01:08:57,612
Speaker 2: to be exempt for one two seasons to allow the

1343
01:08:57,612 --> 01:09:00,652
Speaker 2: fish to recover. Nobody goes in those areas for a

1344
01:09:00,692 --> 01:09:03,253
Speaker 2: couple of years, and that moves around the country. Oh,

1345
01:09:03,293 --> 01:09:05,452
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

1346
01:09:05,572 --> 01:09:09,213
Speaker 2: It is seventeen to three. Very shortly. You're listening to

1347
01:09:09,253 --> 01:09:10,052
Speaker 2: newstalks 'b.

1348
01:09:11,532 --> 01:09:13,892
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1349
01:09:13,973 --> 01:09:18,732
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons news Talks'd.

1350
01:09:18,133 --> 01:09:21,452
Speaker 2: Be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about fishing

1351
01:09:21,612 --> 01:09:25,732
Speaker 2: and recreational fishes and commercial fishes after the Darky Marine

1352
01:09:25,772 --> 01:09:29,973
Speaker 2: Protection Act has been passed through. That means that recreational

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01:09:30,013 --> 01:09:33,732
Speaker 2: fishes will be excluded from many parts of the Hodarky Golf.

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01:09:34,253 --> 01:09:37,053
Speaker 2: But the kicker is that commercial operators will have some

1355
01:09:37,293 --> 01:09:39,732
Speaker 2: exemption to apply to still fish in those areas. Does

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01:09:39,772 --> 01:09:41,253
Speaker 2: that make sense to you? Are like one hundred and

1357
01:09:41,293 --> 01:09:43,492
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Gid A James.

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01:09:44,692 --> 01:09:45,532
Speaker 17: Yeah, you get out here, you go.

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01:09:45,812 --> 01:09:47,253
Speaker 2: Not too bad? What's your thoughts?

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01:09:48,812 --> 01:09:52,372
Speaker 19: Well, the main thing about private anglers is we fish

1361
01:09:52,412 --> 01:09:56,213
Speaker 19: our backyard and the commercial guys don't. They follow the

1362
01:09:56,412 --> 01:10:00,492
Speaker 19: follow the species around the around the country. So you

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01:10:00,572 --> 01:10:04,892
Speaker 19: know that they're debilitating us as individuals mainly because that's

1364
01:10:04,933 --> 01:10:05,572
Speaker 19: where we fish.

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01:10:05,853 --> 01:10:07,333
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, we're not as.

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01:10:07,293 --> 01:10:09,732
Speaker 19: Mobile as in The main thing is if you if

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01:10:09,732 --> 01:10:11,572
Speaker 19: you're back to truck up a lot. Back to back

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01:10:11,572 --> 01:10:13,892
Speaker 19: to when they put in the quata management system, which

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01:10:14,093 --> 01:10:16,372
Speaker 19: at the time they thought was they called it the

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01:10:16,372 --> 01:10:18,692
Speaker 19: gold standard. That's nice, but at the time it was

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01:10:18,732 --> 01:10:22,812
Speaker 19: better than what was there. And Mary at the time

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01:10:22,893 --> 01:10:26,173
Speaker 19: realized because of course Mary have rights in the treaty

1373
01:10:26,812 --> 01:10:28,772
Speaker 19: to fish, the only group of people in New Zealand

1374
01:10:28,772 --> 01:10:29,253
Speaker 19: that actually have.

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01:10:29,293 --> 01:10:29,972
Speaker 20: The right to fish.

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01:10:31,372 --> 01:10:34,053
Speaker 19: So the Sea Lord deal was reached and Mary had

1377
01:10:34,093 --> 01:10:38,293
Speaker 19: a portion of the of the quota. But ever since then,

1378
01:10:38,333 --> 01:10:42,492
Speaker 19: whenever anything's been tried to change with quota, like when

1379
01:10:42,492 --> 01:10:44,533
Speaker 19: they tried to put them the sentry out around the Candex,

1380
01:10:44,692 --> 01:10:47,892
Speaker 19: Mary opposed that. When they tried to put minimum wages

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01:10:48,213 --> 01:10:53,892
Speaker 19: for cruise in New Zealand, because at the time most

1382
01:10:53,933 --> 01:10:55,692
Speaker 19: of the indigenous catch in New Zealand was caught by

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01:10:55,732 --> 01:10:58,932
Speaker 19: foreign foreign vessels, they tried to bring in the minimum wage.

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01:11:00,372 --> 01:11:03,212
Speaker 19: The only people that opposed it was the mari entities.

1385
01:11:04,013 --> 01:11:06,612
Speaker 19: And then now you got this and anything you like

1386
01:11:06,973 --> 01:11:10,213
Speaker 19: in the background, the same things going on here, and

1387
01:11:10,692 --> 01:11:12,652
Speaker 19: it's the same people with the same vest interests. So

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01:11:12,973 --> 01:11:14,532
Speaker 19: every time you try and change anything to do with

1389
01:11:14,572 --> 01:11:17,933
Speaker 19: commercial catch, you're basically talking about a treaty claim and

1390
01:11:17,973 --> 01:11:21,093
Speaker 19: no one wants to renegotiate that. And so that's why,

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01:11:21,772 --> 01:11:24,452
Speaker 19: that's the main reason why the people that always end

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01:11:24,572 --> 01:11:26,412
Speaker 19: up on the on the bitter end of it as

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01:11:26,492 --> 01:11:27,293
Speaker 19: the private anglers.

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01:11:28,093 --> 01:11:31,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, no doubt about it. The recreational fishes always

1395
01:11:31,253 --> 01:11:33,053
Speaker 2: seem to mess out. But I will say with this

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01:11:33,173 --> 01:11:37,452
Speaker 2: Hodikei Marine Protection Act, James E. We are upsets. They've

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01:11:37,572 --> 01:11:40,613
Speaker 2: they've had massive opposition to the fact that commercial operators

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01:11:40,933 --> 01:11:42,892
Speaker 2: have exemptions to get into those areas.

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Speaker 11: So on this.

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Speaker 19: Particulation, right, But those are because your average, your normal average,

1401
01:11:48,492 --> 01:11:50,532
Speaker 19: you know, every day marriage, just like everybody else, is

1402
01:11:50,572 --> 01:11:53,772
Speaker 19: the same rights everybody else to fish. Because when when

1403
01:11:53,853 --> 01:11:56,693
Speaker 19: the quade a mansion system came in and they negotiated

1404
01:11:57,053 --> 01:11:59,852
Speaker 19: their portion of it, that's when they actually signed away

1405
01:11:59,933 --> 01:12:03,492
Speaker 19: their rights. So so that put them in the same

1406
01:12:03,532 --> 01:12:05,213
Speaker 19: boat as everybody else. No pun intended.

1407
01:12:05,973 --> 01:12:07,492
Speaker 2: But I think it's fair to say, James on it

1408
01:12:07,572 --> 01:12:10,133
Speaker 2: that you know, Marie, protection area should just be that

1409
01:12:10,253 --> 01:12:12,852
Speaker 2: it should be protected from everybody, right, That's the whole

1410
01:12:12,893 --> 01:12:15,933
Speaker 2: point is to reboost the population. And they put in

1411
01:12:16,013 --> 01:12:18,812
Speaker 2: place because there's a serious problem with the ocean health

1412
01:12:18,853 --> 01:12:22,892
Speaker 2: and their biodiversity in that area. So having any sort

1413
01:12:22,893 --> 01:12:24,133
Speaker 2: of ex you wanted to fix that.

1414
01:12:24,812 --> 01:12:26,652
Speaker 19: If they actually want to affix that, they would ban

1415
01:12:26,853 --> 01:12:30,652
Speaker 19: bodom trolling. And that's the main thing. It decimates. Everywhere

1416
01:12:30,732 --> 01:12:32,852
Speaker 19: you look at Norway, they ban bottom trawling and the

1417
01:12:32,893 --> 01:12:35,293
Speaker 19: into areas of Norway, and their population of fish went

1418
01:12:35,333 --> 01:12:37,133
Speaker 19: through the roof. Everybody knows.

1419
01:12:37,213 --> 01:12:37,772
Speaker 9: That's what it is.

1420
01:12:37,893 --> 01:12:39,692
Speaker 19: But what I'm saying to you is that the reason

1421
01:12:39,812 --> 01:12:43,612
Speaker 19: behind the push for commercial is the reason why, because

1422
01:12:43,612 --> 01:12:45,652
Speaker 19: they do not want to have to get into a

1423
01:12:45,692 --> 01:12:49,492
Speaker 19: position where they're effectively renegotiating a treaties treaty sediment. So

1424
01:12:49,612 --> 01:12:52,652
Speaker 19: that's the underlying reason why. And if anyone's no reason

1425
01:12:52,732 --> 01:12:57,053
Speaker 19: why the commercial guys always have rights and ours are

1426
01:12:57,053 --> 01:12:59,852
Speaker 19: always getting diminished, that's the reason why. Because they don't

1427
01:12:59,853 --> 01:13:01,452
Speaker 19: want to renegotiate a treaty sentiment.

1428
01:13:01,853 --> 01:13:05,253
Speaker 2: James, Sorry, that's the way it is no good on you, James.

1429
01:13:05,293 --> 01:13:06,772
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your court. Love to you

1430
01:13:06,853 --> 01:13:08,972
Speaker 2: your thoughts. Do you agree with James that the reason

1431
01:13:09,053 --> 01:13:11,932
Speaker 2: if you're in the industry is that the primary reason

1432
01:13:12,253 --> 01:13:13,812
Speaker 2: or is there a little bit more to it? There's

1433
01:13:13,812 --> 01:13:18,493
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. Shane Jones, as as Minister of Fisheries,

1434
01:13:18,692 --> 01:13:23,532
Speaker 2: he has backed the fishing industry to know to the

1435
01:13:23,732 --> 01:13:28,772
Speaker 2: nth degree and he I think does that because he

1436
01:13:28,853 --> 01:13:32,532
Speaker 2: can see the profitability of that particular industry. But he

1437
01:13:32,933 --> 01:13:35,492
Speaker 2: is in bed with the fishing industry.

1438
01:13:35,893 --> 01:13:36,532
Speaker 18: So is that.

1439
01:13:38,013 --> 01:13:41,572
Speaker 2: The pressure he is getting as a minister and the

1440
01:13:41,612 --> 01:13:43,652
Speaker 2: people that are talking to him, that means that there's

1441
01:13:43,692 --> 01:13:46,133
Speaker 2: no action on the likes of deep seat trawling. Love

1442
01:13:46,213 --> 01:13:48,652
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts if you're in the industry, keen

1443
01:13:48,732 --> 01:13:50,692
Speaker 2: to get your analysis and you'll take on this one.

1444
01:13:50,732 --> 01:13:53,173
Speaker 2: If you want to text through anonymously, you're more than welcome.

1445
01:13:53,253 --> 01:13:56,253
Speaker 2: Nine two niney two is that number will take more

1446
01:13:56,293 --> 01:13:58,412
Speaker 2: of your calls very shortly. It is ten to two three,

1447
01:14:00,013 --> 01:14:00,933
Speaker 2: the issues.

1448
01:14:00,652 --> 01:14:03,093
Speaker 1: That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

1449
01:14:03,333 --> 01:14:08,452
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams. Afternoons news talks'd be News Talk.

1450
01:14:08,333 --> 01:14:11,333
Speaker 2: Hawk z'b we are talking about the Hidaky Golf Marine

1451
01:14:11,372 --> 01:14:14,372
Speaker 2: Protection Act, but it also takes into account the rules

1452
01:14:14,412 --> 01:14:17,133
Speaker 2: for recreational fishes up and down the country. It's not

1453
01:14:17,253 --> 01:14:20,252
Speaker 2: the only area that has been turned into a sensitive

1454
01:14:20,333 --> 01:14:24,093
Speaker 2: or marine protected area where recreational fishes can't go. The

1455
01:14:24,253 --> 01:14:26,892
Speaker 2: kicker with the Hodaki Golf is that there's an exemption

1456
01:14:27,133 --> 01:14:31,772
Speaker 2: for commercial fishes and companies to come in and continue

1457
01:14:31,812 --> 01:14:34,133
Speaker 2: their cash. So does that make sense to you? If

1458
01:14:34,173 --> 01:14:36,692
Speaker 2: it is a marine protected area, should it be protected

1459
01:14:36,772 --> 01:14:37,492
Speaker 2: from everybody?

1460
01:14:37,572 --> 01:14:37,652
Speaker 9: Oh?

1461
01:14:37,652 --> 01:14:39,532
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

1462
01:14:39,572 --> 01:14:40,133
Speaker 2: GeTe Ralph?

1463
01:14:41,133 --> 01:14:45,692
Speaker 18: Oh, good afternoon. Firstly, I'd like to take you back

1464
01:14:45,893 --> 01:14:49,612
Speaker 18: a few years when they install cameras on a lot

1465
01:14:49,692 --> 01:14:52,852
Speaker 18: of the boats around our whole fishing fleet, and they

1466
01:14:52,933 --> 01:14:56,572
Speaker 18: were totally ignored by the ship's captains and the staff

1467
01:14:56,572 --> 01:14:59,772
Speaker 18: and those boats yep, and not to cost hundreds of

1468
01:14:59,812 --> 01:15:02,053
Speaker 18: thousands of dollars to put them in, and yet they

1469
01:15:02,133 --> 01:15:05,173
Speaker 18: got their own way again, and we know who runs

1470
01:15:05,213 --> 01:15:11,132
Speaker 18: the boats. So that's that lot. Coming a bit closer

1471
01:15:11,293 --> 01:15:16,053
Speaker 18: back into the local stuff that's happening now. Everybody knows

1472
01:15:16,133 --> 01:15:18,973
Speaker 18: that anyone that goes out fishing doesn't matter where they

1473
01:15:19,053 --> 01:15:24,013
Speaker 18: come from, they take what they want, and it's we

1474
01:15:24,133 --> 01:15:26,692
Speaker 18: don't have a big enough staff to stop all that

1475
01:15:26,812 --> 01:15:30,012
Speaker 18: sort of thing. And we know there must be thousands

1476
01:15:30,093 --> 01:15:32,772
Speaker 18: and thousands of tons of fish dragged off from all

1477
01:15:32,812 --> 01:15:36,372
Speaker 18: these all different reasons and ways that they catch them.

1478
01:15:39,133 --> 01:15:44,532
Speaker 18: And used to going to Australia every second or third year.

1479
01:15:44,772 --> 01:15:47,213
Speaker 18: And I go to a place called Allah Dullah, which

1480
01:15:47,293 --> 01:15:50,452
Speaker 18: is about three to four hours south of Sydney, and

1481
01:15:50,612 --> 01:15:53,932
Speaker 18: that was the place where they say going back from

1482
01:15:53,973 --> 01:15:57,773
Speaker 18: gone to Wonderland. That's where New Zealand was joined to Australia.

1483
01:15:58,293 --> 01:16:02,452
Speaker 18: And at that particular part, it looks like somebody's gone

1484
01:16:02,492 --> 01:16:07,492
Speaker 18: out with a huge cement bloody trawl, a massive one,

1485
01:16:07,812 --> 01:16:09,532
Speaker 18: and gone out as far as you can see, and

1486
01:16:09,652 --> 01:16:13,572
Speaker 18: there's just flat rock for miles and miles, and I

1487
01:16:13,692 --> 01:16:15,452
Speaker 18: presume it goes up to the bottom of the sea

1488
01:16:15,532 --> 01:16:19,293
Speaker 18: as well. That's another thing. And while I was there,

1489
01:16:20,412 --> 01:16:23,612
Speaker 18: he saw some guys caught five or six quite big

1490
01:16:23,692 --> 01:16:27,213
Speaker 18: fish there and I went over, what are you catching here?

1491
01:16:27,253 --> 01:16:30,133
Speaker 18: And he said, Tyler, And I said what do you

1492
01:16:30,213 --> 01:16:35,412
Speaker 18: mean what Tyler? He said, oh, he said, oh Kiwi Taylor,

1493
01:16:36,213 --> 01:16:43,772
Speaker 18: A right Taylor. And that was that was quite quite interesting.

1494
01:16:44,452 --> 01:16:46,972
Speaker 2: So on the whole just because we've only got sixty seconds, Ralph.

1495
01:16:47,053 --> 01:16:50,132
Speaker 2: But but you're you're mainly against the exemptions for commercial

1496
01:16:50,173 --> 01:16:51,812
Speaker 2: fishes in these new protected areas.

1497
01:16:52,692 --> 01:16:54,973
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, kick the baggers out. They don't deserve to

1498
01:16:55,053 --> 01:16:57,012
Speaker 9: be there there, crooks.

1499
01:16:57,652 --> 01:17:00,732
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough to throw a grenade right at the

1500
01:17:00,812 --> 01:17:02,652
Speaker 2: last minute. There, Thank you very much, Ralph. We're going

1501
01:17:02,692 --> 01:17:04,492
Speaker 2: to keep this going because we've got full boards and

1502
01:17:04,572 --> 01:17:06,412
Speaker 2: so many ticks to get through. But love to get

1503
01:17:06,492 --> 01:17:09,372
Speaker 2: your thoughts on this ma Rene protected area in the

1504
01:17:09,412 --> 01:17:12,452
Speaker 2: Hadarky Golf and the exemptions for commercial fishes. Does that

1505
01:17:12,612 --> 01:17:14,492
Speaker 2: make sense to you? I think it's no doubt about

1506
01:17:14,492 --> 01:17:17,532
Speaker 2: it that Shane Jones, as the Oceans and Fisheries Minister,

1507
01:17:17,893 --> 01:17:20,053
Speaker 2: he has been lobbied hard by the fishing industry and

1508
01:17:20,093 --> 01:17:21,852
Speaker 2: you could argue he's done that because he can see

1509
01:17:21,893 --> 01:17:24,732
Speaker 2: the commercial benefit of the fishing industry in New Zealand.

1510
01:17:24,812 --> 01:17:27,812
Speaker 2: But as of August he did confirm a suite of

1511
01:17:27,893 --> 01:17:31,572
Speaker 2: pro industry changes to the Fishing Act and that included

1512
01:17:31,612 --> 01:17:34,852
Speaker 2: some vessels being exempt from having cameras on board. So

1513
01:17:34,933 --> 01:17:37,572
Speaker 2: it does it go too far in favor of the

1514
01:17:37,612 --> 01:17:43,372
Speaker 2: commercial operators to be able to act without cameras on

1515
01:17:43,492 --> 01:17:47,172
Speaker 2: board and be able to jump into marine protected areas

1516
01:17:47,213 --> 01:17:49,412
Speaker 2: if they apply and the government says yeah, sure, go

1517
01:17:49,492 --> 01:17:52,013
Speaker 2: for goal. But recreational fishes, you guys have got to

1518
01:17:52,013 --> 01:17:53,892
Speaker 2: stay away. Love to get your thoughts. I wait, one

1519
01:17:53,933 --> 01:17:55,852
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call

1520
01:17:56,053 --> 01:17:58,173
Speaker 2: if you want to send a confidential text if you're

1521
01:17:58,213 --> 01:18:01,173
Speaker 2: in the industry nine to nine two. I'd love to

1522
01:18:01,213 --> 01:18:04,692
Speaker 2: get your thoughts. If you are in commercial fishing. We

1523
01:18:04,812 --> 01:18:06,893
Speaker 2: will carry this on, of course though new sport and

1524
01:18:06,973 --> 01:18:09,892
Speaker 2: weather coming up. But ODIs reading sitting on the dock

1525
01:18:09,973 --> 01:18:11,452
Speaker 2: of the bay to take you up to the news.

1526
01:18:11,492 --> 01:18:12,692
Speaker 2: Stay right here back in a mow.

1527
01:18:16,173 --> 01:18:19,093
Speaker 3: Your new homes are instateful and entertaining.

1528
01:18:19,213 --> 01:18:19,452
Speaker 7: Talk.

1529
01:18:19,732 --> 01:18:24,253
Speaker 1: It's Matty and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sevy.

1530
01:18:25,053 --> 01:18:27,452
Speaker 2: Sorry, good afternoons here. We've been talking about the Hotaik

1531
01:18:27,612 --> 01:18:30,652
Speaker 2: Golf Marine Protection Act and we're going to carry this

1532
01:18:30,853 --> 01:18:33,492
Speaker 2: on for the next half an now because I don't

1533
01:18:33,492 --> 01:18:36,492
Speaker 2: want to get to Michelin Stars after three point thirty,

1534
01:18:36,532 --> 01:18:38,812
Speaker 2: but we're taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty

1535
01:18:38,973 --> 01:18:40,732
Speaker 2: ten eighty to bring you up to speed. There's a

1536
01:18:40,772 --> 01:18:44,452
Speaker 2: bit of tension rising over this new Marine Protection Act.

1537
01:18:44,532 --> 01:18:48,293
Speaker 2: So it's closed off certain hygh protection zones to recreational fishing,

1538
01:18:48,333 --> 01:18:52,253
Speaker 2: aiming to restore fragile marine ecosystems, but commercial operators can

1539
01:18:52,333 --> 01:18:55,253
Speaker 2: still apply to fish in some of those same areas.

1540
01:18:55,293 --> 01:18:58,013
Speaker 2: For local anglers, it feels like they've being shut out

1541
01:18:58,053 --> 01:19:00,452
Speaker 2: of their own backyard, they say. Families who just want

1542
01:19:00,452 --> 01:19:02,892
Speaker 2: to catch your feed are being pushed further offshore into

1543
01:19:03,013 --> 01:19:07,612
Speaker 2: unfamiliar and sometimes unsafe waters, while industrial fleets continue close

1544
01:19:07,732 --> 01:19:10,692
Speaker 2: to shore. So does that sound right to you? O?

1545
01:19:10,772 --> 01:19:13,253
Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty When you create all the

1546
01:19:13,293 --> 01:19:17,973
Speaker 2: government creates a marine protection area, sensitive area? Should it

1547
01:19:18,053 --> 01:19:21,412
Speaker 2: be protected from everybody? O? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1548
01:19:21,492 --> 01:19:23,133
Speaker 2: is the number to call. Nine two ninety two is

1549
01:19:23,253 --> 01:19:25,532
Speaker 2: the text number. A quick couple of texts and we'll

1550
01:19:25,532 --> 01:19:27,213
Speaker 2: get back to the phones. Hi, I've been fishing my

1551
01:19:27,333 --> 01:19:30,053
Speaker 2: whole life in the Bay of Islands and Hodaki Golf.

1552
01:19:30,412 --> 01:19:33,412
Speaker 2: Can someone please explain why they don't restrict fishing during

1553
01:19:33,492 --> 01:19:36,772
Speaker 2: snapper breeding times? Dozens of boats out targeting work ups

1554
01:19:36,812 --> 01:19:40,412
Speaker 2: with breeding snapper. It makes absolutely no sense. That's from Tim.

1555
01:19:40,732 --> 01:19:43,932
Speaker 2: If anyone can answer that question from Tim, please by

1556
01:19:43,973 --> 01:19:46,012
Speaker 2: all means nine two ninety two is that text number?

1557
01:19:46,812 --> 01:19:48,852
Speaker 2: And this one from Roger Gide Tyler. I think it's

1558
01:19:48,933 --> 01:19:52,572
Speaker 2: great to have fishing reserves. Let's do some quick mass.

1559
01:19:52,732 --> 01:19:56,692
Speaker 2: One summer weekend, two days, five hundred recreational boats per day,

1560
01:19:56,812 --> 01:19:59,973
Speaker 2: three people per boat, six snapper per person. Answer is

1561
01:20:00,013 --> 01:20:03,333
Speaker 2: eighteen thousand snapper every good summer weekend, not to mention

1562
01:20:03,692 --> 01:20:06,652
Speaker 2: all the other times. Thank you very much for that text. Roger,

1563
01:20:06,973 --> 01:20:09,213
Speaker 2: get A Bruce I Goeta.

1564
01:20:09,333 --> 01:20:12,812
Speaker 21: Guys love your show. I'm really passionate about this one.

1565
01:20:13,053 --> 01:20:15,572
Speaker 21: There's a couple of things I'd like to touch on.

1566
01:20:16,173 --> 01:20:20,293
Speaker 21: I remember growing up years ago when television first came out,

1567
01:20:20,372 --> 01:20:23,173
Speaker 21: there was an ad on that it's always stuck with me,

1568
01:20:23,293 --> 01:20:26,932
Speaker 21: and it said the concept of food from the sea

1569
01:20:27,093 --> 01:20:31,612
Speaker 21: is the oldest man himself. Now that's something that's always

1570
01:20:31,612 --> 01:20:34,692
Speaker 21: stuck with me, and you know, like people who were

1571
01:20:34,732 --> 01:20:36,412
Speaker 21: born in the forties and fifties. I grew up in

1572
01:20:36,492 --> 01:20:39,333
Speaker 21: Auckland and used to ride my bike to down on

1573
01:20:39,412 --> 01:20:42,093
Speaker 21: the wharf and watch Freddy Lad take off and I

1574
01:20:42,133 --> 01:20:44,732
Speaker 21: could always get a snapper off the wolves or the

1575
01:20:44,812 --> 01:20:49,093
Speaker 21: groins out there, and never came home without a fish.

1576
01:20:49,133 --> 01:20:51,052
Speaker 21: And I don't know what it's like now. I haven't

1577
01:20:51,093 --> 01:20:54,412
Speaker 21: fished the Gulf for probably twenty or thirty years, but

1578
01:20:55,333 --> 01:20:57,373
Speaker 21: as far as I remember, it was just an incredible

1579
01:20:57,412 --> 01:21:02,253
Speaker 21: fishery that was always abundant. So that was a bit

1580
01:21:02,293 --> 01:21:03,372
Speaker 21: of a reminisce.

1581
01:21:04,572 --> 01:21:04,612
Speaker 6: O.

1582
01:21:04,812 --> 01:21:07,372
Speaker 21: The second point is I've done quite a bit of

1583
01:21:07,412 --> 01:21:09,933
Speaker 21: fishing in Australia too, and over there you have to

1584
01:21:09,973 --> 01:21:13,172
Speaker 21: have a boat license which is attached to your driver's license.

1585
01:21:14,612 --> 01:21:17,213
Speaker 21: You also have to have your boat registered with the

1586
01:21:17,293 --> 01:21:21,492
Speaker 21: government like a car. It also has to carry the

1587
01:21:22,053 --> 01:21:25,412
Speaker 21: prescribed safety gears, so it's like a warrant of fitness.

1588
01:21:27,732 --> 01:21:28,452
Speaker 11: And what.

1589
01:21:28,812 --> 01:21:32,253
Speaker 21: They have water police that will come around and they'll

1590
01:21:32,253 --> 01:21:35,572
Speaker 21: also breathalyze you on the water, so it's exactly the

1591
01:21:35,652 --> 01:21:40,372
Speaker 21: same conditions in a boat on sea as if you

1592
01:21:40,452 --> 01:21:44,253
Speaker 21: were in a car on the road. So that was

1593
01:21:44,372 --> 01:21:45,253
Speaker 21: interesting that one.

1594
01:21:45,333 --> 01:21:47,852
Speaker 2: Would you before that, Bruce, that's come up, you know,

1595
01:21:48,013 --> 01:21:51,253
Speaker 2: time and time again about the idea of licenses for

1596
01:21:51,372 --> 01:21:54,053
Speaker 2: those who go out and go fishing. Would you be

1597
01:21:54,093 --> 01:21:56,093
Speaker 2: in favor of that? Well?

1598
01:21:56,532 --> 01:21:57,093
Speaker 5: I would be.

1599
01:21:57,173 --> 01:22:00,412
Speaker 21: But I think also over there that the jet skiers

1600
01:22:00,452 --> 01:22:03,692
Speaker 21: are a real issue with the recreational swimmers, and I

1601
01:22:03,772 --> 01:22:06,132
Speaker 21: think they I don't know what they're like here because

1602
01:22:06,133 --> 01:22:07,692
Speaker 21: I'm in the far North and they want to talk

1603
01:22:07,732 --> 01:22:11,812
Speaker 21: about the deep sea fishing, which I've been involved with shortly.

1604
01:22:11,973 --> 01:22:14,933
Speaker 21: But yeah, I think it would be I think it

1605
01:22:14,933 --> 01:22:17,452
Speaker 21: would be going to be something probably wouldn't like as

1606
01:22:17,492 --> 01:22:22,612
Speaker 21: far as their fairness mindset goes. But I definitely think

1607
01:22:22,732 --> 01:22:25,253
Speaker 21: that that, you know, the cowboys out there on these

1608
01:22:25,333 --> 01:22:28,972
Speaker 21: powerful jet skis can cause problems and it won't be long,

1609
01:22:29,173 --> 01:22:33,213
Speaker 21: I'm sure before during the summer crowded beaches, someone is

1610
01:22:33,253 --> 01:22:37,213
Speaker 21: injured with these things that go flat out. And yeah,

1611
01:22:37,253 --> 01:22:39,013
Speaker 21: they're fun, but I wouldn't like to be hit.

1612
01:22:39,652 --> 01:22:41,532
Speaker 2: I hate them. I hate them. And I know people say,

1613
01:22:41,572 --> 01:22:44,093
Speaker 2: shut up, Tyler, they're good fun, and I imagine they are,

1614
01:22:44,253 --> 01:22:46,293
Speaker 2: but they do my head on the jet skis and

1615
01:22:46,372 --> 01:22:48,532
Speaker 2: they are financially. I've ridden the jet skis before and

1616
01:22:48,612 --> 01:22:51,452
Speaker 2: they are, you know, motorbikes of the sea. But when

1617
01:22:51,452 --> 01:22:52,812
Speaker 2: I just want a better piece and quiet and the

1618
01:22:52,893 --> 01:22:55,772
Speaker 2: Molbra sounds and then they come honing past, I just

1619
01:22:55,853 --> 01:22:58,452
Speaker 2: think a bugger off. Go to a little bay. But

1620
01:22:58,572 --> 01:22:59,732
Speaker 2: that's just my take, Bruce.

1621
01:23:00,732 --> 01:23:03,812
Speaker 21: Yeah, I concur with you there. The The other the

1622
01:23:03,893 --> 01:23:07,572
Speaker 21: next point is these quotas. My family had a quote

1623
01:23:07,692 --> 01:23:11,293
Speaker 21: we sold at but as far as I know, I'm

1624
01:23:11,333 --> 01:23:14,293
Speaker 21: not sure these quotas remain the same. And people that

1625
01:23:14,452 --> 01:23:18,173
Speaker 21: bought these quota it's very valuable. They're allowed to catch

1626
01:23:18,213 --> 01:23:22,973
Speaker 21: a certain amount of fish every year. Now I'm not

1627
01:23:23,133 --> 01:23:25,692
Speaker 21: sure on this, but I think if the government wanted

1628
01:23:25,772 --> 01:23:29,973
Speaker 21: to stop the fishing, they'd have to start looking at

1629
01:23:30,173 --> 01:23:34,412
Speaker 21: buying back those quotas, and that would not be cheap

1630
01:23:35,492 --> 01:23:38,852
Speaker 21: because they are really they're worth gold. If you had

1631
01:23:38,893 --> 01:23:41,492
Speaker 21: a crayfish quota forty years ago and you sold it,

1632
01:23:41,612 --> 01:23:44,213
Speaker 21: you you know people that have done that or people

1633
01:23:44,293 --> 01:23:47,492
Speaker 21: that have sold quotas, we know exactly what I'm talking.

1634
01:23:47,293 --> 01:23:50,532
Speaker 2: About absolutely, So how does that work? Bruce? Just as

1635
01:23:50,532 --> 01:23:53,372
Speaker 2: the layman's I understand, you know, and I've known families

1636
01:23:53,412 --> 01:23:57,092
Speaker 2: to have pretty significant quotas for muscles and the Mulborough

1637
01:23:57,173 --> 01:24:02,452
Speaker 2: Sounds and empower as well, and they sold that for many,

1638
01:24:02,492 --> 01:24:05,013
Speaker 2: many millions of dollars. But they did very well out

1639
01:24:05,053 --> 01:24:07,932
Speaker 2: of it themselves. How does the quota system work now?

1640
01:24:08,093 --> 01:24:12,293
Speaker 21: Go? Well, the genesis of the thing was if you

1641
01:24:12,452 --> 01:24:15,612
Speaker 21: were back in the day, the government decided they need

1642
01:24:15,652 --> 01:24:17,852
Speaker 21: to do something about it because everyone was out fishing.

1643
01:24:18,532 --> 01:24:20,893
Speaker 21: So if you could register and make a case that

1644
01:24:21,013 --> 01:24:24,052
Speaker 21: you were actually a fisher of commercial needs or method

1645
01:24:24,173 --> 01:24:28,093
Speaker 21: or whatever, you could buy a quota for what fish

1646
01:24:28,173 --> 01:24:30,053
Speaker 21: you wanted, and they were pretty cheap, but you had

1647
01:24:30,093 --> 01:24:33,412
Speaker 21: to pay for them and you had to have it managed. Now,

1648
01:24:33,652 --> 01:24:37,772
Speaker 21: over time, those things exponentially grew as they stopped handing

1649
01:24:37,812 --> 01:24:40,812
Speaker 21: out quotas, and it was a supply and demand thing,

1650
01:24:40,853 --> 01:24:43,893
Speaker 21: which has pushed the price of them up astronomically to

1651
01:24:44,372 --> 01:24:49,412
Speaker 21: as you say, to millions. But what I'm seeing now

1652
01:24:49,732 --> 01:24:54,173
Speaker 21: in the far North in Doubtless Bay is that we've

1653
01:24:54,213 --> 01:24:56,612
Speaker 21: got the long line boats that are going out during

1654
01:24:56,652 --> 01:25:01,213
Speaker 21: the spawning season off Tokyo Beach and I last counted

1655
01:25:01,253 --> 01:25:03,933
Speaker 21: there was nine boats. They're just about finishing now, but

1656
01:25:04,652 --> 01:25:08,133
Speaker 21: during the spawning season they will lay five thousand hooks each,

1657
01:25:10,372 --> 01:25:12,852
Speaker 21: and they could be working the inshore long liners, which

1658
01:25:12,933 --> 01:25:15,893
Speaker 21: means they only go out probably about ten k's and

1659
01:25:16,013 --> 01:25:20,333
Speaker 21: there laying five thousand hooks. They come into the Monganui

1660
01:25:20,572 --> 01:25:23,652
Speaker 21: and the moana boats are there twenty four to seven

1661
01:25:24,452 --> 01:25:29,213
Speaker 21: unloading the school snapper. And that's this spawning season. And

1662
01:25:29,732 --> 01:25:33,173
Speaker 21: it's prodigious up here and depending on the water temperature,

1663
01:25:33,173 --> 01:25:36,452
Speaker 21: which is warm at the moment as opposed to the

1664
01:25:36,532 --> 01:25:39,372
Speaker 21: last year, which was called the fish are just abundant.

1665
01:25:39,452 --> 01:25:43,372
Speaker 21: It's just an incredible season this year. So those were

1666
01:25:43,452 --> 01:25:45,852
Speaker 21: long liners and they are just ravaging the sea. And

1667
01:25:46,652 --> 01:25:49,333
Speaker 21: the only fish you get now are the bigger fish

1668
01:25:49,412 --> 01:25:52,213
Speaker 21: that are lurking around the outcrops and the rocks and

1669
01:25:52,293 --> 01:25:55,333
Speaker 21: the edges of the edges of the of the islands.

1670
01:25:55,492 --> 01:25:58,572
Speaker 21: So the savvy fishes are still able to get big fish.

1671
01:25:58,812 --> 01:26:01,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's it, Bruce. You've been fishing all your life,

1672
01:26:01,253 --> 01:26:03,492
Speaker 2: And that was a question that I posed last hour,

1673
01:26:03,652 --> 01:26:06,253
Speaker 2: very early on, and I've just heard it anecdotally, but

1674
01:26:06,333 --> 01:26:08,852
Speaker 2: it certainly feels like those who have been fishing for

1675
01:26:09,013 --> 01:26:13,253
Speaker 2: decades have noticed a huge drop off from traditional areas

1676
01:26:13,253 --> 01:26:16,852
Speaker 2: where you'd always get a fish to now very rarely

1677
01:26:16,973 --> 01:26:20,692
Speaker 2: getting any catch, or certainly not the cats that had

1678
01:26:20,772 --> 01:26:24,852
Speaker 2: done ten twenty thirty years ago, which is you know,

1679
01:26:25,013 --> 01:26:27,492
Speaker 2: that's a concerning thing. And hence why, as you say,

1680
01:26:27,532 --> 01:26:30,133
Speaker 2: with the commercial fishes and the five thousand hooks that

1681
01:26:30,173 --> 01:26:32,652
Speaker 2: they've got on their long lines, it just feels these

1682
01:26:32,853 --> 01:26:37,372
Speaker 2: marine protection areas that they're setting up and then allowing exemptions,

1683
01:26:37,532 --> 01:26:41,253
Speaker 2: it's laughable, because there's a serious issue going on with

1684
01:26:41,372 --> 01:26:44,893
Speaker 2: our ocean health, and it's just band aids. You know,

1685
01:26:45,133 --> 01:26:47,053
Speaker 2: it's trying to put out a bush fire with one

1686
01:26:47,133 --> 01:26:50,612
Speaker 2: fire extinguisher. You've got to go full hog or nothing,

1687
01:26:50,893 --> 01:26:52,852
Speaker 2: or else We're going to be in a real state

1688
01:26:52,893 --> 01:26:55,492
Speaker 2: of affairs, and that affects everybody at that point, including

1689
01:26:55,532 --> 01:26:58,053
Speaker 2: the commercial fishing industry. They were already starting to.

1690
01:26:58,213 --> 01:27:02,253
Speaker 21: See that absolutely. And the last point I want to

1691
01:27:02,293 --> 01:27:06,053
Speaker 21: talk about is the is the harppook of the deep

1692
01:27:06,133 --> 01:27:08,412
Speaker 21: sea halfpooker boats. There's only about three of them. I

1693
01:27:08,572 --> 01:27:11,772
Speaker 21: was involved in the industry, and we're going out about

1694
01:27:11,933 --> 01:27:14,293
Speaker 21: four to five We're fishing in four to five hundred

1695
01:27:14,372 --> 01:27:18,812
Speaker 21: meters of water. We're using electric reels on lot on

1696
01:27:19,093 --> 01:27:21,573
Speaker 21: rods with three hooks with lights.

1697
01:27:23,213 --> 01:27:24,572
Speaker 9: And the boats.

1698
01:27:24,612 --> 01:27:26,812
Speaker 21: I haven't been out, but the boats are pulling up hooker.

1699
01:27:26,853 --> 01:27:32,133
Speaker 21: They're about twenty k's off the shelf, four to five

1700
01:27:32,213 --> 01:27:35,173
Speaker 21: hundred and they're pulling up hooker that are as big

1701
01:27:35,213 --> 01:27:37,492
Speaker 21: as me and my head could fit inside. These things

1702
01:27:37,532 --> 01:27:41,612
Speaker 21: are forty or fifty years old, and they're catching so

1703
01:27:41,893 --> 01:27:45,132
Speaker 21: many that they're filling the deck and they're hitting grounds

1704
01:27:45,173 --> 01:27:49,372
Speaker 21: that have never been fished before, and anyone that knows

1705
01:27:49,452 --> 01:27:53,133
Speaker 21: the pooka, the hard hooker, these things you can stand

1706
01:27:53,213 --> 01:27:56,612
Speaker 21: them upright holding and they're as big as you round

1707
01:27:56,652 --> 01:27:59,372
Speaker 21: the girth and you could fit your head inside them.

1708
01:27:59,853 --> 01:28:04,572
Speaker 21: And they are pulling tons and tons of these things out.

1709
01:28:05,053 --> 01:28:08,253
Speaker 21: They're not going to domestic market. The moana boats one

1710
01:28:08,492 --> 01:28:14,173
Speaker 21: again cuting. It's criminal. It's our children's legacy. Yeah, that

1711
01:28:14,692 --> 01:28:18,092
Speaker 21: this minister is spelling. And we've all our birth writers

1712
01:28:18,173 --> 01:28:20,093
Speaker 21: been able to go down to the sea and get

1713
01:28:20,133 --> 01:28:20,813
Speaker 21: a feed.

1714
01:28:20,812 --> 01:28:24,452
Speaker 2: Exactly, b We've got to protect that, yep, one hundred percent.

1715
01:28:24,532 --> 01:28:26,053
Speaker 2: And a lot of people would agree with that, no

1716
01:28:26,213 --> 01:28:28,013
Speaker 2: doubt about it. And that's what it comes down to, right,

1717
01:28:28,692 --> 01:28:33,333
Speaker 2: is that this is our country and the health of

1718
01:28:33,412 --> 01:28:36,732
Speaker 2: the ocean affects all of us. And when you hear

1719
01:28:36,772 --> 01:28:38,932
Speaker 2: stories of Bruce who's been fishing all of his life

1720
01:28:38,973 --> 01:28:41,412
Speaker 2: and seeing that drop off and the catch that you

1721
01:28:41,492 --> 01:28:44,812
Speaker 2: can take as a recreational or find as a recreational fisher,

1722
01:28:45,133 --> 01:28:47,732
Speaker 2: and slowly see that part of New Zealand life that

1723
01:28:47,893 --> 01:28:50,612
Speaker 2: many of us love get eroded away. And then to

1724
01:28:50,772 --> 01:28:55,532
Speaker 2: have marine protected areas there excludes recreational fishes every day.

1725
01:28:55,612 --> 01:28:57,013
Speaker 2: Kiwis who just want to go out and get a

1726
01:28:57,053 --> 01:29:00,213
Speaker 2: couple of fish for the family and still allow exemptions

1727
01:29:00,612 --> 01:29:03,253
Speaker 2: for commercial and other It just makes no sense. It

1728
01:29:03,372 --> 01:29:05,173
Speaker 2: is laughable. But what do you say our one hundred

1729
01:29:05,173 --> 01:29:06,692
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call it?

1730
01:29:06,812 --> 01:29:11,492
Speaker 2: Seventeen parst three? Surely us talks that'd be it is

1731
01:29:11,532 --> 01:29:13,973
Speaker 2: twenty past three. We're a bit late here, Fraser. How

1732
01:29:14,013 --> 01:29:14,213
Speaker 2: are you?

1733
01:29:15,492 --> 01:29:15,692
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1734
01:29:15,732 --> 01:29:18,053
Speaker 3: Good mate, good notice to talk wise.

1735
01:29:19,572 --> 01:29:22,053
Speaker 9: Where I've been out here about forty years on on

1736
01:29:22,173 --> 01:29:25,652
Speaker 9: great Berry Island and the decline in our poor old

1737
01:29:25,692 --> 01:29:29,852
Speaker 9: golfers pretty sad that nothing like it used to be.

1738
01:29:29,933 --> 01:29:32,652
Speaker 9: The size of the snappers way down the snappers there,

1739
01:29:33,732 --> 01:29:36,812
Speaker 9: but the average size has just come way down. Species

1740
01:29:36,853 --> 01:29:42,053
Speaker 9: have declined. Sculpts are just about that coming back in

1741
01:29:42,093 --> 01:29:45,013
Speaker 9: a few places, but crays are really bad. But the

1742
01:29:45,093 --> 01:29:47,253
Speaker 9: thing is there's no restrictions on us out here, so

1743
01:29:47,412 --> 01:29:49,253
Speaker 9: there's going to be a lot more pressure on the

1744
01:29:49,333 --> 01:29:52,133
Speaker 9: barrier because both get here and the drones that you know,

1745
01:29:52,173 --> 01:29:54,772
Speaker 9: the boats are bigger and more powerful these days. But

1746
01:29:54,893 --> 01:29:56,652
Speaker 9: the thing is, you know, they can make all the

1747
01:29:56,772 --> 01:30:00,092
Speaker 9: rules they like, but without enforcement. As a few people

1748
01:30:00,173 --> 01:30:03,492
Speaker 9: have said, it's a joke, and I mean if this

1749
01:30:03,652 --> 01:30:07,892
Speaker 9: island was off anywhere in Australia, there'd be one at

1750
01:30:07,973 --> 01:30:10,532
Speaker 9: least one that fisheries patrolling place.

1751
01:30:11,452 --> 01:30:11,652
Speaker 22: You know.

1752
01:30:11,893 --> 01:30:14,852
Speaker 9: So we've had a poaching problem at it for the

1753
01:30:14,933 --> 01:30:17,532
Speaker 9: last two years where guys are coming with dive tanks

1754
01:30:18,053 --> 01:30:22,612
Speaker 9: and taking taking packles, craze the reds and power and cure.

1755
01:30:22,612 --> 01:30:26,852
Speaker 9: The local boards of confronted them and they just basically

1756
01:30:26,853 --> 01:30:29,612
Speaker 9: give them the finger and we've rung fisheries. We have

1757
01:30:29,772 --> 01:30:32,253
Speaker 9: sent them fighters to the boat and they say they're

1758
01:30:32,293 --> 01:30:35,772
Speaker 9: onto it, but nothing happens. The boats keep coming back.

1759
01:30:36,532 --> 01:30:39,093
Speaker 2: That surprises me, Phraser, that the fact that you've caught

1760
01:30:39,293 --> 01:30:44,052
Speaker 2: caught people poaching and have undersized crayfish or female crayfish

1761
01:30:44,133 --> 01:30:46,732
Speaker 2: during breeding season and they don't they don't turn up.

1762
01:30:46,853 --> 01:30:49,932
Speaker 2: I would have thought that a phone call and instantly

1763
01:30:50,013 --> 01:30:51,852
Speaker 2: you send a couple of guys out straight away to

1764
01:30:51,893 --> 01:30:55,052
Speaker 2: catch them as soon as they land the boat, because

1765
01:30:55,093 --> 01:30:58,013
Speaker 2: that's an easy win for them, isn't it. And as

1766
01:30:58,053 --> 01:31:00,572
Speaker 2: I understand it, you know that, yeah, the fines are

1767
01:31:00,572 --> 01:31:03,093
Speaker 2: pretty excessive. If you get caught with undersized fish or

1768
01:31:03,452 --> 01:31:05,412
Speaker 2: or too many or too many power or too many

1769
01:31:05,452 --> 01:31:08,133
Speaker 2: cray they'll they'll take it a court for that, as

1770
01:31:08,173 --> 01:31:08,652
Speaker 2: they should.

1771
01:31:09,933 --> 01:31:13,572
Speaker 9: But the fishing, the fisheries boats aren't there. They haven't

1772
01:31:13,612 --> 01:31:15,293
Speaker 9: got the funding for it. They try to do it

1773
01:31:15,372 --> 01:31:18,333
Speaker 9: all from from behind a desk. You know, it's just

1774
01:31:19,093 --> 01:31:20,772
Speaker 9: it's just not happening. There's a lot of people out

1775
01:31:20,812 --> 01:31:22,213
Speaker 9: here that will back me up on that one too.

1776
01:31:22,973 --> 01:31:24,692
Speaker 9: And we I mean we haven't we haven't caught and

1777
01:31:24,772 --> 01:31:27,013
Speaker 9: we know they've taken them because we've seen them, you know,

1778
01:31:27,133 --> 01:31:29,293
Speaker 9: gos to sort of spider them with binoculars and stuff.

1779
01:31:30,372 --> 01:31:33,932
Speaker 9: But anyway, they've got they've got to stop commercial that's ridiculous.

1780
01:31:34,253 --> 01:31:36,053
Speaker 9: I've got to go. They should. They should have done

1781
01:31:36,093 --> 01:31:39,372
Speaker 9: this ten years ago. This place was the Harpy Golf

1782
01:31:39,492 --> 01:31:42,852
Speaker 9: was designated marine park over twenty five years ago, and

1783
01:31:42,933 --> 01:31:46,052
Speaker 9: I've done nothing since. Yeah, you know, we've got Tenner

1784
01:31:46,133 --> 01:31:52,452
Speaker 9: barons everywhere. You know, John Dorria gone, Gerner gone. Even

1785
01:31:52,492 --> 01:31:54,492
Speaker 9: our car white are not the same.

1786
01:31:55,612 --> 01:31:57,412
Speaker 2: And it's heartbreaking mate. As you say, you've been out

1787
01:31:57,452 --> 01:31:59,293
Speaker 2: there for forty years doing it, and to a less

1788
01:31:59,412 --> 01:32:01,692
Speaker 2: lesser extent where I do most of my fishing because

1789
01:32:01,732 --> 01:32:03,852
Speaker 2: I'm lucky enough. My partner's family has a bitch in

1790
01:32:03,853 --> 01:32:06,013
Speaker 2: the Molbra sounds. But they've noticed it. You know, her

1791
01:32:06,093 --> 01:32:08,093
Speaker 2: dad has been been there all his life and he

1792
01:32:08,173 --> 01:32:11,492
Speaker 2: knows is it every summer that the catch is dropping off,

1793
01:32:11,532 --> 01:32:14,013
Speaker 2: and it's it's harder and harder to find where the

1794
01:32:14,093 --> 01:32:16,293
Speaker 2: fish are. And you're going to go further out and

1795
01:32:16,652 --> 01:32:19,412
Speaker 2: your spot on mentioning the fisheries offices, because this is

1796
01:32:19,452 --> 01:32:21,692
Speaker 2: the whole point, right We're talking about the Hodarky golf

1797
01:32:21,732 --> 01:32:23,772
Speaker 2: and this Marine Protection Act and the fact that they've

1798
01:32:23,812 --> 01:32:26,812
Speaker 2: allowed exemptions. But this is a multiprog situation. We don't

1799
01:32:26,853 --> 01:32:29,532
Speaker 2: have enough fishery officers. It's a joke of a situation

1800
01:32:29,652 --> 01:32:33,372
Speaker 2: when there are marine areas enacted and then they allow

1801
01:32:33,452 --> 01:32:36,572
Speaker 2: loopholes and exemptions and there's just not the follow up

1802
01:32:36,612 --> 01:32:38,933
Speaker 2: to actually try and sort out what's going on with

1803
01:32:39,013 --> 01:32:39,652
Speaker 2: our ocean health.

1804
01:32:41,652 --> 01:32:45,893
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's very sad and it's very much sadness. No

1805
01:32:46,053 --> 01:32:48,253
Speaker 9: from what we could use to we could get skolfs

1806
01:32:48,253 --> 01:32:49,973
Speaker 9: sit out in the bay, the freedom for them, and

1807
01:32:50,253 --> 01:32:51,372
Speaker 9: that's just those gone.

1808
01:32:53,053 --> 01:32:55,572
Speaker 2: So what's what's the answer mate? I mean, as you say,

1809
01:32:55,612 --> 01:32:59,252
Speaker 2: we're going to get some more funding into fisheries officers

1810
01:32:59,333 --> 01:33:01,253
Speaker 2: to get more out there, get some more boats on

1811
01:33:01,333 --> 01:33:04,692
Speaker 2: the water to patrol. Is that actually enforcing and setting

1812
01:33:04,772 --> 01:33:08,772
Speaker 2: up more of these marine reserve areas where nobody goes into.

1813
01:33:09,133 --> 01:33:11,012
Speaker 2: Is it a raft of things that need to happen

1814
01:33:11,013 --> 01:33:11,452
Speaker 2: at this point?

1815
01:33:11,812 --> 01:33:11,932
Speaker 3: Oh?

1816
01:33:12,093 --> 01:33:15,013
Speaker 9: Absolutely, But we need enforcement. We got coast card boats right,

1817
01:33:15,893 --> 01:33:18,372
Speaker 9: billions of dogs with the Coastguard boats up and down

1818
01:33:18,452 --> 01:33:20,893
Speaker 9: the out and down the country. Why can't they be

1819
01:33:21,053 --> 01:33:23,333
Speaker 9: dual purpose? I mean, sure a lot of people are

1820
01:33:23,372 --> 01:33:26,452
Speaker 9: going to be retrained, but the boats are there and

1821
01:33:26,812 --> 01:33:28,932
Speaker 9: they're doing nothing for it. My months of the year.

1822
01:33:29,173 --> 01:33:32,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, Fraser, you're a great call. Thank you very much

1823
01:33:32,053 --> 01:33:33,732
Speaker 2: for giving me a buzz. Got to take a break,

1824
01:33:33,933 --> 01:33:36,053
Speaker 2: but we'll get through to another couple of callers who

1825
01:33:36,093 --> 01:33:38,293
Speaker 2: have been waiting for some time. It is twenty four

1826
01:33:38,372 --> 01:33:38,812
Speaker 2: past three.

1827
01:33:43,333 --> 01:33:47,012
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tayler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty

1828
01:33:47,093 --> 01:33:48,652
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talks EDB.

1829
01:33:52,053 --> 01:33:55,213
Speaker 3: This is news Talks EDB Breaking news.

1830
01:33:55,652 --> 01:34:00,173
Speaker 2: Yes and breaking news. Former Deputy Police Commissioner Yvonne Mcskimmen

1831
01:34:00,372 --> 01:34:06,532
Speaker 2: has pleaded guilty to possessing child sexual exploitation and bestiality material.

1832
01:34:06,652 --> 01:34:10,093
Speaker 2: Just repeating that. Former Deputy Police Comissioner Javon Mcskimmen has

1833
01:34:10,133 --> 01:34:15,132
Speaker 2: pleaded guilty to possessing child sexual exploitation and bestiality material.

1834
01:34:15,213 --> 01:34:18,053
Speaker 2: There'll be more on that in the headlines, but that

1835
01:34:18,253 --> 01:34:20,253
Speaker 2: is the breaking news just coming through to hand, and

1836
01:34:20,293 --> 01:34:23,653
Speaker 2: there'll certainly be more on that as the afternoon progresses.

1837
01:34:24,412 --> 01:34:26,532
Speaker 2: We will get to the headlines now and when we

1838
01:34:26,612 --> 01:34:28,452
Speaker 2: come back we're going to pick up this conversation we've

1839
01:34:28,452 --> 01:34:32,732
Speaker 2: been having about recreational fishes and marine protection zones. Stay

1840
01:34:32,812 --> 01:34:34,532
Speaker 2: right here you listen to news talks there be It

1841
01:34:34,772 --> 01:34:37,333
Speaker 2: is twenty seven past three.

1842
01:34:39,492 --> 01:34:43,173
Speaker 11: News talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1843
01:34:43,293 --> 01:34:47,533
Speaker 11: no trouble with a blue bubble. Former Deputy Police Commissioner

1844
01:34:47,772 --> 01:34:51,372
Speaker 11: Jevin mix Skimming has pleaded guilty to possessing child sexual

1845
01:34:51,452 --> 01:34:57,452
Speaker 11: exploitation and be steality material. He's admitted three representative charges

1846
01:34:57,532 --> 01:35:01,773
Speaker 11: of possessing objectionable material in the Wellington District Court this afternoon.

1847
01:35:02,253 --> 01:35:05,812
Speaker 11: He previously faced eight counts, but this was reduced today.

1848
01:35:06,612 --> 01:35:11,012
Speaker 11: Auckland's Wesley College, which ordered to close its boarding hostels urgently,

1849
01:35:11,532 --> 01:35:14,133
Speaker 11: is going to court to keep its storms open until

1850
01:35:14,133 --> 01:35:17,892
Speaker 11: the end of term. The Government's putting seventy five million

1851
01:35:17,973 --> 01:35:22,293
Speaker 11: dollars into a national approach to investigating infectious diseases the

1852
01:35:22,372 --> 01:35:26,572
Speaker 11: Infectious Diseases Research Platform over seven and a half years.

1853
01:35:27,612 --> 01:35:31,573
Speaker 11: Health officials say the response to the National Measles Immunization

1854
01:35:31,772 --> 01:35:34,933
Speaker 11: Week has been great so far. Of one hundred and

1855
01:35:35,013 --> 01:35:38,892
Speaker 11: thirty one open contacts, sixteen are symptomatic. But New Zealand

1856
01:35:38,973 --> 01:35:41,692
Speaker 11: has no new cases today and only three of the

1857
01:35:41,772 --> 01:35:48,093
Speaker 11: seventeen confirmed cases remain infectious. Zoran Mamdani and his meteoric

1858
01:35:48,213 --> 01:35:50,652
Speaker 11: rise to Mayor of New York. You can see the

1859
01:35:50,692 --> 01:35:52,732
Speaker 11: full story at NZ Herald Premium.

1860
01:35:53,213 --> 01:35:54,852
Speaker 3: Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1861
01:35:54,933 --> 01:35:58,093
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylen So significant news about former

1862
01:35:58,133 --> 01:36:01,893
Speaker 2: Deputy Police Commissioner Jevin mcskimming. There'll be plenty more on

1863
01:36:02,013 --> 01:36:04,932
Speaker 2: that on Heither's show after four o'clock. But let's get

1864
01:36:04,933 --> 01:36:08,572
Speaker 2: back to our discussion about recreational fishes being excluded from

1865
01:36:08,612 --> 01:36:11,812
Speaker 2: parts of the Hodarky Golf under this Marine Protection Act

1866
01:36:12,253 --> 01:36:16,532
Speaker 2: with the exemptions allowed for commercial fishes. Does that make

1867
01:36:16,652 --> 01:36:18,692
Speaker 2: sense to you? O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1868
01:36:18,893 --> 01:36:21,213
Speaker 2: and if you are a recreational fisher, will you be

1869
01:36:21,372 --> 01:36:25,612
Speaker 2: attending this protest on November the twenty second, Love to

1870
01:36:25,692 --> 01:36:29,053
Speaker 2: hear from you. Get a Sam, there you go. Yeah,

1871
01:36:29,093 --> 01:36:29,293
Speaker 2: not too.

1872
01:36:29,692 --> 01:36:34,692
Speaker 4: My father was a commercial fisherman in the hierarchy. A

1873
01:36:34,772 --> 01:36:36,933
Speaker 4: lot of good comments on there, especially guy from the

1874
01:36:36,933 --> 01:36:40,732
Speaker 4: Great Barrier. There's plenty of snapper in the hierarchy, but

1875
01:36:40,812 --> 01:36:42,572
Speaker 4: they're all small, so the bigger ones are harder and

1876
01:36:42,652 --> 01:36:46,212
Speaker 4: harder to come by, right, A lot of the numbers

1877
01:36:46,492 --> 01:36:48,732
Speaker 4: haven't been thrown out there yet. So like back in

1878
01:36:48,812 --> 01:36:52,052
Speaker 4: the seventies and the eighties, the quotas are up around

1879
01:36:53,013 --> 01:36:56,812
Speaker 4: six seven thousand tons a year of snapper we're taking

1880
01:36:56,853 --> 01:37:00,053
Speaker 4: out of hierarchy alone, those numbers are around anywhere from

1881
01:37:00,053 --> 01:37:01,932
Speaker 4: a thousand to fifteen hundred tons a year, so they've

1882
01:37:01,933 --> 01:37:05,852
Speaker 4: actually dropped considerably over the past few decades.

1883
01:37:08,492 --> 01:37:09,293
Speaker 9: The Kuyper Harbor.

1884
01:37:10,253 --> 01:37:14,053
Speaker 4: The Kayper Harbor produces almost ninety eight percent of the

1885
01:37:14,253 --> 01:37:17,852
Speaker 4: North Island's snapper population for the North Island, right from

1886
01:37:17,853 --> 01:37:20,492
Speaker 4: down the west coast. But there's no there's no bands

1887
01:37:20,492 --> 01:37:24,093
Speaker 4: in the Kayper Harbor, and they take more tonnage out

1888
01:37:24,133 --> 01:37:26,012
Speaker 4: of the harb each year than they do with hricke.

1889
01:37:26,013 --> 01:37:28,213
Speaker 4: They take upwards in about sixteen hundred tons a year

1890
01:37:28,612 --> 01:37:29,172
Speaker 4: of snapper.

1891
01:37:30,492 --> 01:37:32,532
Speaker 2: And why is that, Sam, I mean, this is part

1892
01:37:32,572 --> 01:37:35,532
Speaker 2: of the problem. Right, is that you get you get

1893
01:37:35,692 --> 01:37:37,893
Speaker 2: an act like this in the Hodaki golf And I

1894
01:37:37,933 --> 01:37:40,333
Speaker 2: think a lot of us can understand marine protection areas

1895
01:37:40,372 --> 01:37:44,333
Speaker 2: and the need to repopulate those fish species. But when

1896
01:37:44,372 --> 01:37:46,333
Speaker 2: you got the likes of the Kuiper harbor, and as

1897
01:37:46,372 --> 01:37:48,213
Speaker 2: you say that the tonnage being taken out of there,

1898
01:37:48,293 --> 01:37:50,972
Speaker 2: nobody's asking questions. This is where it's all falling.

1899
01:37:50,812 --> 01:37:54,892
Speaker 4: Over politically and money that money driven. The first one

1900
01:37:54,893 --> 01:37:56,732
Speaker 4: of the first callers was talking about how the ewe's

1901
01:37:56,772 --> 01:37:59,852
Speaker 4: will the ewis own fifty percent of quotas in New Zealand,

1902
01:38:00,772 --> 01:38:02,732
Speaker 4: and it's sort of sort of like an arsonist lighting

1903
01:38:02,772 --> 01:38:05,452
Speaker 4: the fire and then ringing the fire brigade. And I

1904
01:38:05,532 --> 01:38:08,053
Speaker 4: would say there is some element of that happening as well.

1905
01:38:11,013 --> 01:38:13,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt there needs to be

1906
01:38:13,293 --> 01:38:16,293
Speaker 2: some tweaks, I think too, and you know it can

1907
01:38:16,372 --> 01:38:19,852
Speaker 2: get leaks the older Yeah, the bottom trawling.

1908
01:38:19,893 --> 01:38:23,213
Speaker 4: Bottom trawling screws everything, right, But if you look at

1909
01:38:23,213 --> 01:38:25,692
Speaker 4: anything anything on a commercial scale anywhere in the world,

1910
01:38:25,772 --> 01:38:29,732
Speaker 4: whether it be whaling or fishing or deer hunting, look

1911
01:38:29,772 --> 01:38:32,213
Speaker 4: back in the eighties or the seventies and eighties when

1912
01:38:33,293 --> 01:38:36,012
Speaker 4: they commercialized deer deer meat, and all of a sudden,

1913
01:38:36,093 --> 01:38:39,372
Speaker 4: deer populations decreased, and you can go weeks to months

1914
01:38:39,412 --> 01:38:41,293
Speaker 4: at a time without even seeing the deer, whereas now

1915
01:38:42,412 --> 01:38:45,692
Speaker 4: when they remove that, they're they're like a pest again.

1916
01:38:45,893 --> 01:38:47,452
Speaker 4: You see them everywhere. You can see them just over

1917
01:38:47,492 --> 01:38:51,652
Speaker 4: your backfence sometimes. So it's all to do with that

1918
01:38:51,772 --> 01:38:54,612
Speaker 4: bottom trawling in the hierarchy that that has caused the

1919
01:38:54,692 --> 01:38:58,892
Speaker 4: problem with the with the sea beds and been able

1920
01:38:58,933 --> 01:39:02,612
Speaker 4: to restore it. But the snapper itself like one snapper.

1921
01:39:02,933 --> 01:39:05,892
Speaker 4: So you say you take a sixty sixty centimeters snapper

1922
01:39:06,253 --> 01:39:09,852
Speaker 4: that that can produce anywhere from six to ten million

1923
01:39:09,973 --> 01:39:13,692
Speaker 4: eggs in one spawning season. That's just one snapper. Now,

1924
01:39:13,732 --> 01:39:16,052
Speaker 4: if you take a snapper of turner and fifteen turner

1925
01:39:16,173 --> 01:39:20,492
Speaker 4: fifteen mills, which you cannot take, that can produce anywhere

1926
01:39:20,532 --> 01:39:23,452
Speaker 4: from sixty to one hundred thousand eggs per season. So

1927
01:39:23,812 --> 01:39:25,492
Speaker 4: if they want to fix it, the best thing they

1928
01:39:25,532 --> 01:39:30,852
Speaker 4: should do is one not limit this amount of snapper

1929
01:39:30,933 --> 01:39:36,093
Speaker 4: you take. Limit put a tolerance on the sizing, so

1930
01:39:36,253 --> 01:39:39,093
Speaker 4: you can't take anything over six hundred, and you can't

1931
01:39:39,173 --> 01:39:42,612
Speaker 4: take anything under three hundred or anything over five hundred

1932
01:39:42,612 --> 01:39:45,732
Speaker 4: because something over five hundred can still produce six million

1933
01:39:45,772 --> 01:39:48,452
Speaker 4: eggs a year. So the amount of snapper in the

1934
01:39:48,492 --> 01:39:51,772
Speaker 4: Hawrechi is not decreasing, it's actually probably increasing. It's the

1935
01:39:51,853 --> 01:39:55,052
Speaker 4: amount of snapper that are able to produce the eggs

1936
01:39:55,093 --> 01:39:57,012
Speaker 4: each year that are no longer there.

1937
01:39:57,253 --> 01:40:00,892
Speaker 2: What's the size limit at the moment in that part

1938
01:40:00,933 --> 01:40:02,812
Speaker 2: of the country. There must be a size limit for

1939
01:40:03,053 --> 01:40:08,132
Speaker 2: three hundred, so that's thirty centimeters. That's a pretty small snapper.

1940
01:40:08,853 --> 01:40:10,452
Speaker 4: It is very small, and it's twenty seven out the

1941
01:40:10,452 --> 01:40:13,372
Speaker 4: west coast, so yeah, and how.

1942
01:40:13,293 --> 01:40:14,013
Speaker 2: Many can you take?

1943
01:40:15,173 --> 01:40:15,492
Speaker 9: Seven?

1944
01:40:16,133 --> 01:40:16,452
Speaker 2: Seven?

1945
01:40:16,772 --> 01:40:16,932
Speaker 10: Right?

1946
01:40:17,492 --> 01:40:19,412
Speaker 2: So would it be a combination of you've got to

1947
01:40:19,452 --> 01:40:22,453
Speaker 2: increase the size limit to maybe say forty five centimeters

1948
01:40:22,532 --> 01:40:24,412
Speaker 2: and maybe reduce the catch that you can have two

1949
01:40:24,532 --> 01:40:25,492
Speaker 2: per per ficient.

1950
01:40:26,412 --> 01:40:28,692
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think you need to reduce the amount

1951
01:40:28,732 --> 01:40:31,093
Speaker 4: of the catch because you understand that to fuel the

1952
01:40:31,133 --> 01:40:33,652
Speaker 4: boat up now it might cost you you're from three

1953
01:40:33,732 --> 01:40:37,013
Speaker 4: to six hundred dollars in a day to take your

1954
01:40:37,053 --> 01:40:40,612
Speaker 4: boat out if you're going down to the Hierarchi. So

1955
01:40:40,772 --> 01:40:42,852
Speaker 4: there's got to be an element there that a give

1956
01:40:42,893 --> 01:40:45,893
Speaker 4: and take. But what that suggests is they're like not

1957
01:40:46,013 --> 01:40:49,972
Speaker 4: taking anything under under four hundred and not taking anything

1958
01:40:50,013 --> 01:40:52,812
Speaker 4: over six hundred for two or three years. That would

1959
01:40:53,452 --> 01:40:57,732
Speaker 4: definitely increase the snap population in the size, but the

1960
01:40:57,853 --> 01:41:00,053
Speaker 4: actual amount of snapper there, Like you can go out,

1961
01:41:00,893 --> 01:41:02,772
Speaker 4: you can't get away from those little ones, Like there

1962
01:41:02,772 --> 01:41:04,452
Speaker 4: are that many out there. You can't get away from

1963
01:41:04,452 --> 01:41:07,372
Speaker 4: the buggers and anyone that says you can't find snappers

1964
01:41:07,412 --> 01:41:10,173
Speaker 4: because they don't know what they do, but they're just

1965
01:41:10,213 --> 01:41:12,213
Speaker 4: they're out there and this is just huge numbers. You

1966
01:41:12,213 --> 01:41:13,053
Speaker 4: can't get away from them.

1967
01:41:13,253 --> 01:41:15,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that blows my mind. I didn't realize

1968
01:41:15,532 --> 01:41:17,492
Speaker 2: it was as low as thirty centimeters when you look

1969
01:41:17,572 --> 01:41:20,052
Speaker 2: at the size limit for blue cod and the mulbra

1970
01:41:20,133 --> 01:41:22,412
Speaker 2: sounds and we all know why because blue cod is

1971
01:41:22,452 --> 01:41:24,773
Speaker 2: in a dire state there. But that's thirty two centimeters

1972
01:41:24,812 --> 01:41:27,893
Speaker 2: and snapper is a far bigger fish than blue code.

1973
01:41:28,293 --> 01:41:30,532
Speaker 4: But if you look at you look at the numbers

1974
01:41:30,572 --> 01:41:34,452
Speaker 4: itself that they're taking out of the hawki. So recreational

1975
01:41:34,532 --> 01:41:36,652
Speaker 4: fishing take about eight hundred and forty odd times a

1976
01:41:36,692 --> 01:41:39,932
Speaker 4: snapper a year, and commercial is only just digress house

1977
01:41:39,933 --> 01:41:41,973
Speaker 4: so it's really not that much difference as far as

1978
01:41:42,253 --> 01:41:43,412
Speaker 4: the actual tonnage goes.

1979
01:41:43,772 --> 01:41:46,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam that's great information and you're right giving the

1980
01:41:46,492 --> 01:41:49,892
Speaker 2: numbers and that context is vitally important. So thanks very

1981
01:41:49,973 --> 01:41:52,612
Speaker 2: much for ringing up. I got to take a quick break.

1982
01:41:52,652 --> 01:41:54,772
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll have a chat with Kevin

1983
01:41:54,893 --> 01:41:57,772
Speaker 2: and Andrew. Kevin is on the fence about how this

1984
01:41:57,933 --> 01:42:01,532
Speaker 2: Marine Protection actors operating, so we'll get to him very shortly.

1985
01:42:01,692 --> 01:42:02,973
Speaker 2: It is twenty three to.

1986
01:42:03,053 --> 01:42:07,572
Speaker 1: Four Mattie Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

1987
01:42:07,612 --> 01:42:11,012
Speaker 1: on Van Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talks.

1988
01:42:11,053 --> 01:42:13,612
Speaker 2: The'd be very good afternoon to you. Excuse me. We

1989
01:42:13,812 --> 01:42:17,812
Speaker 2: are talking about recreational fishing and the introduction of the

1990
01:42:17,893 --> 01:42:22,372
Speaker 2: Hodikey Golf Marine Protection Act. So recreational fishes in Auckland

1991
01:42:22,412 --> 01:42:25,013
Speaker 2: are pretty upset, many of them very upset that they

1992
01:42:25,053 --> 01:42:27,253
Speaker 2: won't be able to fish in some of those protected areas.

1993
01:42:27,333 --> 01:42:31,372
Speaker 2: While commercial operators have some exemption they can still apply

1994
01:42:31,612 --> 01:42:33,932
Speaker 2: to fish in those so called protected areas. So love

1995
01:42:33,973 --> 01:42:35,572
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on this alright. One hundred and

1996
01:42:35,772 --> 01:42:38,652
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty and how dire is our ocean health

1997
01:42:38,973 --> 01:42:41,053
Speaker 2: around our coasts of New Zealand. Are you've seen a

1998
01:42:41,133 --> 01:42:43,932
Speaker 2: drop off in the number of fish you're catching? Nine

1999
01:42:44,013 --> 01:42:46,253
Speaker 2: two ninety two. Is that text number is Well, he's

2000
01:42:46,253 --> 01:42:48,532
Speaker 2: a quick text before we get back to the phones.

2001
01:42:48,853 --> 01:42:51,612
Speaker 2: Get there. I'm a recreational fish show and I probably

2002
01:42:51,692 --> 01:42:55,012
Speaker 2: see this a little bit differently than most. Yes, Shane Jones,

2003
01:42:55,053 --> 01:42:57,772
Speaker 2: for all his good points, he is definitely a very

2004
01:42:57,933 --> 01:43:01,213
Speaker 2: sympathetic to the commercial fishing industry. In fact, he has

2005
01:43:01,253 --> 01:43:03,452
Speaker 2: said he owes a debt of gratitude to the industry.

2006
01:43:03,973 --> 01:43:07,812
Speaker 2: For me, the HPA's should be marine reserves, then it's

2007
01:43:07,893 --> 01:43:10,213
Speaker 2: fair for the next big issue is the green lobby

2008
01:43:10,253 --> 01:43:13,732
Speaker 2: groups have used our recreational voice and screwed us. In

2009
01:43:14,013 --> 01:43:17,093
Speaker 2: just a bit more facts to it's only half a

2010
01:43:17,173 --> 01:43:20,733
Speaker 2: dozen small local vessels catching fish for local markets, not exports.

2011
01:43:20,772 --> 01:43:24,133
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for that. Hey you Kevin got

2012
01:43:24,173 --> 01:43:26,852
Speaker 2: that name, Tyler, See you get your thoughts.

2013
01:43:28,732 --> 01:43:35,452
Speaker 22: My thoughts are maybe the fisheries industry is pushing it

2014
01:43:35,732 --> 01:43:40,133
Speaker 22: out because of all the illegal fishing that's done off

2015
01:43:40,213 --> 01:43:46,252
Speaker 22: shore by the public around the hierarchic golf like undersized snapper,

2016
01:43:48,412 --> 01:43:57,012
Speaker 22: undersized power and muscles, et cetera. So maybe the government

2017
01:43:57,133 --> 01:44:00,892
Speaker 22: has thought, well, we can't catch them all, so we'll

2018
01:44:01,013 --> 01:44:04,692
Speaker 22: just push it out where they can catch them.

2019
01:44:06,253 --> 01:44:08,293
Speaker 2: Do you think there is a lot of illegal fish

2020
01:44:08,532 --> 01:44:10,012
Speaker 2: going on from the recreational fishes.

2021
01:44:10,013 --> 01:44:10,253
Speaker 9: Given.

2022
01:44:11,173 --> 01:44:18,652
Speaker 22: Yes, I do around Haraki golf, undersized catches being brought

2023
01:44:18,732 --> 01:44:21,692
Speaker 22: up and so forth. You can get, you can fight,

2024
01:44:22,133 --> 01:44:25,372
Speaker 22: photograph them. You know, there are only tiny little snappers

2025
01:44:25,732 --> 01:44:28,213
Speaker 22: and they go on the back of the car, and yep,

2026
01:44:28,572 --> 01:44:37,412
Speaker 22: it's destroying our natural fishing order that goes on.

2027
01:44:37,772 --> 01:44:40,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly is. And I think any right right

2028
01:44:40,492 --> 01:44:44,013
Speaker 2: minded person would if they if they see any sort

2029
01:44:44,053 --> 01:44:47,652
Speaker 2: of undersized catching going on, would absolutely slam those people

2030
01:44:47,732 --> 01:44:49,892
Speaker 2: because that is there. You know, that is the huge

2031
01:44:49,933 --> 01:44:52,452
Speaker 2: part of the problem that you get people absolutely taking

2032
01:44:52,492 --> 01:44:55,812
Speaker 2: the purse and and screwing around with our ocean health

2033
01:44:55,853 --> 01:44:59,972
Speaker 2: by taking those undersized fish and seafood and and muscles

2034
01:45:00,013 --> 01:45:03,333
Speaker 2: and all the rest of it. But does that mean

2035
01:45:03,372 --> 01:45:06,053
Speaker 2: we need to have a you know, twenty four to

2036
01:45:06,133 --> 01:45:08,333
Speaker 2: seven policing going on in that area of the country.

2037
01:45:08,452 --> 01:45:10,412
Speaker 2: I just say that because there's a someone who's done

2038
01:45:10,412 --> 01:45:11,892
Speaker 2: a little bit of fishing and the morble sounds. As

2039
01:45:11,933 --> 01:45:13,452
Speaker 2: I've mentioned many times, and I don't want to keep

2040
01:45:13,492 --> 01:45:15,532
Speaker 2: going on about it, but it's well known with people

2041
01:45:15,612 --> 01:45:18,772
Speaker 2: that I associate are worth and speak to, and most

2042
01:45:18,853 --> 01:45:21,333
Speaker 2: of the people I know who who do recreational fishing.

2043
01:45:21,372 --> 01:45:25,652
Speaker 2: You'd never even consider taking a juvenile fisher and undersized fisher.

2044
01:45:25,652 --> 01:45:27,692
Speaker 2: It wouldn't even go through your head to consider it.

2045
01:45:28,093 --> 01:45:31,812
Speaker 2: So these people that are breaking the law, clearly, they

2046
01:45:31,933 --> 01:45:33,732
Speaker 2: need to be caught, they need to be dabbed in,

2047
01:45:33,973 --> 01:45:36,092
Speaker 2: and they need to be driven through, you know, dragged

2048
01:45:36,133 --> 01:45:36,692
Speaker 2: through the courts.

2049
01:45:37,732 --> 01:45:41,372
Speaker 22: Yes, one per one hundred percent. I'm actually from the

2050
01:45:41,652 --> 01:45:44,892
Speaker 22: South Island myself, although I live in the North London.

2051
01:45:45,293 --> 01:45:49,372
Speaker 22: I know the marble sounds. I've actually pushed the road

2052
01:45:49,452 --> 01:45:55,053
Speaker 22: and through what's that cricket's name around? I owned a

2053
01:45:55,093 --> 01:45:55,932
Speaker 22: batch around there.

2054
01:45:57,692 --> 01:45:59,932
Speaker 2: Round former black Cap, is it? I don't know if

2055
01:45:59,973 --> 01:46:04,333
Speaker 2: there was a cricketer around. Yeah, and Queen Charlotte is

2056
01:46:04,372 --> 01:46:06,213
Speaker 2: it Queen Charlotte sounds is it?

2057
01:46:07,013 --> 01:46:07,053
Speaker 3: No?

2058
01:46:07,293 --> 01:46:10,892
Speaker 4: No, he's a a rowing Oh right, yeah, yep.

2059
01:46:11,293 --> 01:46:13,133
Speaker 2: Beautiful part of the country, but the fishing is a

2060
01:46:13,173 --> 01:46:15,052
Speaker 2: little bit harder there these days, I've got to say, given,

2061
01:46:15,452 --> 01:46:17,173
Speaker 2: But your bang on point, and is that the case?

2062
01:46:17,253 --> 01:46:18,893
Speaker 2: Is there a lot of illegal fishing going on in

2063
01:46:18,973 --> 01:46:21,053
Speaker 2: the likes of the Hodachey Golf And I know I

2064
01:46:21,093 --> 01:46:23,173
Speaker 2: don't want to be naive here clearly, and I know

2065
01:46:23,333 --> 01:46:27,572
Speaker 2: that illegal fishing goes on, but the penalties can be

2066
01:46:27,692 --> 01:46:32,092
Speaker 2: pretty pretty severe. If you are caught taking undersized fish

2067
01:46:32,293 --> 01:46:36,653
Speaker 2: or too many over your catch limit and power and crayfish,

2068
01:46:37,133 --> 01:46:38,972
Speaker 2: they can take your boat, they can drag you through

2069
01:46:38,973 --> 01:46:41,293
Speaker 2: the courts. There are our significant fines, but do they

2070
01:46:41,333 --> 01:46:43,412
Speaker 2: need to go harder? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

2071
01:46:43,452 --> 01:46:46,852
Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call. Get a Dallas mate.

2072
01:46:46,893 --> 01:46:46,973
Speaker 5: Here?

2073
01:46:47,013 --> 01:46:47,932
Speaker 2: You going very good?

2074
01:46:48,013 --> 01:46:48,133
Speaker 9: Now?

2075
01:46:48,173 --> 01:46:49,372
Speaker 2: Are you a marine scientist?

2076
01:46:50,812 --> 01:46:53,532
Speaker 20: Yes, I've got a background of marine science. I worked

2077
01:46:53,532 --> 01:46:56,812
Speaker 20: as a fisheries observer for a few years there as

2078
01:46:56,853 --> 01:46:59,812
Speaker 20: a basically working for MPI out on these commercial boats.

2079
01:47:00,213 --> 01:47:02,932
Speaker 2: Fantastic to chat with you, So let's have a chat

2080
01:47:02,973 --> 01:47:06,613
Speaker 2: about our overall health of our oceans around New Zealand coastlines.

2081
01:47:06,812 --> 01:47:09,772
Speaker 2: Are we in a dire situation at the moment? Dallas

2082
01:47:09,893 --> 01:47:13,652
Speaker 2: is anecdotal evidence of recreational fishes not being able to

2083
01:47:13,732 --> 01:47:16,452
Speaker 2: find as many fish anymore. Is that the reality that

2084
01:47:16,492 --> 01:47:17,612
Speaker 2: you're seen as a scientist.

2085
01:47:20,452 --> 01:47:21,292
Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess.

2086
01:47:22,572 --> 01:47:25,732
Speaker 20: It can sort of go both ways, like also as

2087
01:47:25,732 --> 01:47:28,652
Speaker 20: a recreational fisher you know, being here for the past

2088
01:47:28,732 --> 01:47:32,852
Speaker 20: ten or so years, it's has been quite an increase

2089
01:47:32,933 --> 01:47:35,053
Speaker 20: in difficulty in actually going out and catching a feet,

2090
01:47:35,253 --> 01:47:37,293
Speaker 20: probably because of my poor fishing ability as well.

2091
01:47:37,732 --> 01:47:38,452
Speaker 2: Yeah I've been there.

2092
01:47:39,452 --> 01:47:43,572
Speaker 20: Yeah, but anecdotal evidence and hearing basically stories from around

2093
01:47:43,612 --> 01:47:45,932
Speaker 20: the traps around the country, and that you know, it's

2094
01:47:45,933 --> 01:47:48,652
Speaker 20: getting harder and harder to go out and catch a peak.

2095
01:47:49,253 --> 01:47:51,492
Speaker 20: And the simple truth is, you know, there's this non

2096
01:47:51,572 --> 01:47:58,052
Speaker 20: nutfish lit global stops, national fish stops are continuing to decline.

2097
01:47:58,133 --> 01:48:01,932
Speaker 20: There's no if it's butts around that, it's pretty clear,

2098
01:48:02,732 --> 01:48:05,133
Speaker 20: and it's just about sort of what's causing that and

2099
01:48:05,253 --> 01:48:07,732
Speaker 20: then I guess what we can do to bring it

2100
01:48:07,893 --> 01:48:09,092
Speaker 20: and to the future.

2101
01:48:09,612 --> 01:48:11,973
Speaker 2: So on the first question, what's causing it? What do

2102
01:48:12,093 --> 01:48:14,972
Speaker 2: you think is the primary reason for that drop off

2103
01:48:15,093 --> 01:48:17,372
Speaker 2: and the numbers of fish and the general decline and

2104
01:48:17,412 --> 01:48:18,093
Speaker 2: that ecology.

2105
01:48:19,732 --> 01:48:22,293
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's a difficult one because the easier answer is

2106
01:48:22,492 --> 01:48:25,333
Speaker 20: obviously overfishing. You know, it's quite direct. You catch too

2107
01:48:25,372 --> 01:48:27,253
Speaker 20: many fish, you're going to add less fish in the water.

2108
01:48:27,412 --> 01:48:29,932
Speaker 20: But you know, there's a whole lot of different evidence

2109
01:48:29,973 --> 01:48:35,532
Speaker 20: to I guess point to the storm runoff. There's climate change,

2110
01:48:35,732 --> 01:48:40,372
Speaker 20: there's ocean percentification. So just to sort of say that

2111
01:48:40,452 --> 01:48:42,852
Speaker 20: it's one thing is sort of the wrong thing to do.

2112
01:48:43,133 --> 01:48:45,052
Speaker 20: It is a you have to look at a holistic approach.

2113
01:48:45,612 --> 01:48:47,732
Speaker 20: But in saying that, you know you have to focus

2114
01:48:47,812 --> 01:48:49,973
Speaker 20: also on what we can do. There's not much we

2115
01:48:50,053 --> 01:48:54,572
Speaker 20: can do on a microscale off for global warming, you know,

2116
01:48:55,293 --> 01:48:57,612
Speaker 20: in terms of overfishing. We can have a look at

2117
01:48:57,772 --> 01:48:59,532
Speaker 20: what we can do in terms of how and fish

2118
01:48:59,612 --> 01:49:02,772
Speaker 20: we catch. The slot limit that I think it's Kevin

2119
01:49:02,853 --> 01:49:04,812
Speaker 20: or someone else is talking about, so having a minimum

2120
01:49:04,893 --> 01:49:08,053
Speaker 20: legal size as well as a maximum legal size and.

2121
01:49:08,093 --> 01:49:09,093
Speaker 17: Then talking on that.

2122
01:49:09,372 --> 01:49:11,412
Speaker 20: You know, New Zealand plans to be world leading and

2123
01:49:11,612 --> 01:49:14,972
Speaker 20: so many different things, especially in the fisheries area. Yeah,

2124
01:49:15,452 --> 01:49:18,293
Speaker 20: we're sort of falling behind in the in the I

2125
01:49:18,372 --> 01:49:24,093
Speaker 20: guess fisheries compliance space. In Australia they have this slot

2126
01:49:24,213 --> 01:49:27,133
Speaker 20: rule for Barrmundy, for flatheads, for a whole of different

2127
01:49:27,173 --> 01:49:30,372
Speaker 20: fish species where they have that maximum size limit as

2128
01:49:30,412 --> 01:49:33,572
Speaker 20: well to ensure that we can release those breeding fish

2129
01:49:33,812 --> 01:49:37,412
Speaker 20: and make sure that they can go out and do

2130
01:49:37,492 --> 01:49:39,253
Speaker 20: their job and make more little baby fishies.

2131
01:49:39,812 --> 01:49:42,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is important. You know, that's exactly what we

2132
01:49:42,293 --> 01:49:45,652
Speaker 2: need dellas So in the Australian situation as there there's

2133
01:49:45,732 --> 01:49:49,173
Speaker 2: clearly more policing going on. Are there stricter rules for

2134
01:49:49,293 --> 01:49:52,093
Speaker 2: those who are caught taking too many fish or undersized fish?

2135
01:49:54,412 --> 01:49:59,253
Speaker 20: I think New Zealand is pretty good generally at I

2136
01:49:59,333 --> 01:50:02,093
Speaker 20: guess the what can happen if you do break the rules?

2137
01:50:02,213 --> 01:50:04,173
Speaker 20: You know, as you said before, they've got quite a

2138
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Speaker 20: lot of authority, a lot more authority than the police

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Speaker 20: for that matter. You know, they can seize your boat,

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Speaker 20: they can seize your car, they can seize your house

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Speaker 20: even if you're selling, if you've proven to be selling

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Speaker 20: illegal fish out of your house, and whereas the police

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Speaker 20: they can't really do that. But in Australia, yeah, there

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Speaker 20: is quite a lot of funding. There's a lot of

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Speaker 20: resources behind it and actually putting the to get the

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Speaker 20: money where their mouth is, whereas New Zealand it's going backwards.

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Speaker 20: I actually applied to be a fisheries observe a few

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Speaker 20: years ago and I've basically got told you funding is

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Speaker 20: being cut and they're scaling things back, which is quite unfortunate.

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Speaker 20: And you can see that out in the water. I

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Speaker 20: don't think I've ever seen a fisheries boat out in

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Speaker 20: the Hurracky Golf.

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Speaker 2: And I fished quite a lot, yeah, which is saying

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Speaker 2: a lot Dallas. So when we look at the you

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Speaker 2: know what kicked off this discussion about the marine bretiction

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01:50:56,133 --> 01:50:59,253
Speaker 2: zone within the Hodaki Golf and marine reserves in general,

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Speaker 2: that seems to me that's an easy way, well, an

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01:51:02,893 --> 01:51:07,452
Speaker 2: easier way to try and allow these fish numbers to

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01:51:07,612 --> 01:51:12,653
Speaker 2: bounce back in vulnerable areas is that everybody is excluded

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Speaker 2: from sudin areas for a certain amount of time until

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Speaker 2: things start to change. Are we not doing enough of

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01:51:17,692 --> 01:51:20,572
Speaker 2: that or is that not going to achieve what we

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Speaker 2: need in this scenario?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, well, I guess there is a space for high

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Speaker 20: protection areas and marine reserves, although that it's sort of

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Speaker 20: like a it ought to be a last resort. It's

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01:51:33,853 --> 01:51:36,812
Speaker 20: sort of a band aid, whereas you really need to

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Speaker 20: look at the bigger picture. You know, there's less fish

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Speaker 20: because they're catching too many fish. But if we say,

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Speaker 20: if we're trying to achieve thirty by thirty, that being

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Speaker 20: thirty percent of our oceans as a marine reserved by

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01:51:49,133 --> 01:51:53,772
Speaker 20: twenty thirty, yet we maintain the same amount of fish

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01:51:53,853 --> 01:51:56,372
Speaker 20: we're taking out of the water. All we're doing is

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Speaker 20: concentrating that one hundred percent of the fishing efforts within

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Speaker 20: the remaining seventy percent, and that is what's happening or

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01:52:02,692 --> 01:52:04,772
Speaker 20: what will happen out in the gulf here. You know,

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Speaker 20: they're still going to be the same amount of people fishing,

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Speaker 20: the same amount of fish being caught, just within a

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Speaker 20: smaller area. And someone actually demin analogy a little while ago.

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Speaker 20: You know, I've got I used to have a dog.

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01:52:19,053 --> 01:52:20,812
Speaker 20: The dog did a lot of ships in my yard.

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01:52:21,013 --> 01:52:22,852
Speaker 20: I didn't want any dog shits in my yard.

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Speaker 22: So what I do?

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Speaker 20: I figured the dog ship swing it under the fence.

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01:52:26,093 --> 01:52:29,453
Speaker 20: My yard is beautifully clear, you know, it's it's immaculate,

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01:52:29,612 --> 01:52:31,293
Speaker 20: Yet my neighbors full of shit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Good analogy, Yeah, yeah,

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01:52:35,692 --> 01:52:38,053
Speaker 2: exactly right. So Dallas, if you could, if you could

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01:52:38,293 --> 01:52:41,452
Speaker 2: make a wave a magic wand and and change one

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01:52:41,532 --> 01:52:43,852
Speaker 2: thing with the New Zealand to try and and turn

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01:52:43,933 --> 01:52:46,572
Speaker 2: this around in terms of the ecology of our oceans,

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Speaker 2: what would it be.

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Speaker 20: Or if I'm just looking at the ecology of the oceans,

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01:52:54,652 --> 01:52:58,492
Speaker 20: it is probably figure out how we reduce our overall

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01:52:58,612 --> 01:53:04,692
Speaker 20: fishing pressure, both well across recreational, customary and commercial. But

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Speaker 20: we also have to prioritize kiwis and you know, the

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01:53:07,893 --> 01:53:10,532
Speaker 20: public because it is a public resource and we need

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01:53:10,612 --> 01:53:11,972
Speaker 20: to be able to go out and catch a feed,

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Speaker 20: so the government needs to prioritize that over everything else.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Great, great to chat with you, Dallas, really good. Dallas

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01:53:17,812 --> 01:53:21,213
Speaker 2: was a marine scientist and also a recreational fisher. So

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01:53:21,412 --> 01:53:24,133
Speaker 2: a foot in both camps, so to speak. Will take

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01:53:24,213 --> 01:53:26,652
Speaker 2: another couple of calls. It is nine minutes to four

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Speaker 2: back in the month.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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01:53:32,213 --> 01:53:33,172
Speaker 1: everything in between.

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Speaker 3: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks'd.

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Speaker 2: Be it is six to four you Jen, We've got

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Speaker 2: about ninety seconds. How are you good?

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Speaker 13: Thank you?

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Speaker 22: Tyler?

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01:53:44,772 --> 01:53:44,932
Speaker 9: Good.

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Speaker 13: Discussion today has been Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: You're a good person to chat too, because you're a

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01:53:48,812 --> 01:53:50,052
Speaker 2: recreational chatter skipper.

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Speaker 9: Is that right?

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01:53:51,372 --> 01:53:51,532
Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 13: Since nineteen ninety full time the Auckland public and visitors

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01:53:56,412 --> 01:53:59,133
Speaker 13: from overseas out on Theherrikee Golbs enjoy that snap of vision.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what a great job. So what's your take on

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01:54:01,812 --> 01:54:03,772
Speaker 2: all of this? Are you you're effected? I take it

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01:54:03,893 --> 01:54:06,253
Speaker 2: by this new Marine Protection Act?

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01:54:07,412 --> 01:54:11,973
Speaker 13: Definitely, These areas we're fished like the noisies and the

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01:54:12,053 --> 01:54:15,053
Speaker 13: maker henails, and yeah, it is a bit of a

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01:54:15,772 --> 01:54:17,612
Speaker 13: you know, a bit of a smack in the chop

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01:54:17,652 --> 01:54:20,452
Speaker 13: saying that you can't fish that, yet other things are

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01:54:20,452 --> 01:54:24,372
Speaker 13: still allowed. The bottom trawling and the gill netting is

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01:54:24,732 --> 01:54:29,333
Speaker 13: completely unselective fishing compared to what the public do with lines.

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01:54:30,213 --> 01:54:32,812
Speaker 13: And you know, the public I've taken out are always

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01:54:32,853 --> 01:54:36,213
Speaker 13: respectful what's going on in the fishery, using circle hooks,

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01:54:36,253 --> 01:54:40,653
Speaker 13: releasing fish carefully and really minimizing the impact they have

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01:54:40,772 --> 01:54:43,932
Speaker 13: in their activities. Ye, a bottom trawler or a gill

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Speaker 13: netter does not.

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Speaker 2: So that seems like a no brainer. There's been many

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Speaker 2: people who've rung up over the past two hours and

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01:54:51,373 --> 01:54:54,053
Speaker 2: mentioned the bottom trawling, and I don't think there's been

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01:54:54,093 --> 01:54:56,493
Speaker 2: anyone who sees bottom trawling is a good thing. So

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Speaker 2: is that political preciate You gene to take it to

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Speaker 2: the government or the coalition to say this is actually

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Speaker 2: something New Zealanders care about and it should stop because

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01:55:05,053 --> 01:55:08,573
Speaker 2: it's not good for anybody. It screws up the the

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01:55:08,653 --> 01:55:11,013
Speaker 2: fishing areas where bottom trailing is allowed to happen, and

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01:55:11,093 --> 01:55:11,892
Speaker 2: it needs to be banned.

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Speaker 13: Well, yeah, I mean it's pretty obvious. You know, there

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01:55:15,213 --> 01:55:18,733
Speaker 13: must be some underlying reasons why it hasn't been accepted,

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01:55:19,933 --> 01:55:22,613
Speaker 13: you know. And I just think the regulations they're bringing

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01:55:22,653 --> 01:55:26,013
Speaker 13: out and the banning in certain areas, I think is

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01:55:26,213 --> 01:55:29,733
Speaker 13: just wallpapering over a bigger problem. Yeah, and they're not

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Speaker 13: wanting to realize you know that quote A holders want

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01:55:31,973 --> 01:55:35,253
Speaker 13: to catch the fish the easiest way they can, and

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01:55:35,453 --> 01:55:37,253
Speaker 13: I don't think they're really were too worried about the

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01:55:37,373 --> 01:55:38,093
Speaker 13: damage they're doing.

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01:55:38,293 --> 01:55:40,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a quick we're going to go about twenty seconds.

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Speaker 2: Have you been out the last couple of days, Eugene,

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Speaker 2: that was morning because it was beautiful, mate. I mean

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01:55:46,053 --> 01:55:48,893
Speaker 2: they have been absolute stunning days. And what do you

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01:55:48,973 --> 01:55:49,533
Speaker 2: usually catch?

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01:55:49,693 --> 01:55:50,293
Speaker 9: What's the go to?

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01:55:51,253 --> 01:55:51,373
Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 13: We're catching I mean we're using lure fishing a lot

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01:55:53,893 --> 01:55:57,093
Speaker 13: these days, and it's a lot cleaner and once again

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01:55:57,173 --> 01:56:00,972
Speaker 13: more selective. Nothing's gut hooked. And you know, it's harder

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01:56:00,973 --> 01:56:03,133
Speaker 13: to catch fish these days, Tyler, No doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: Something has to be done, Yeah, Eugene, Really good to

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01:56:05,373 --> 01:56:08,613
Speaker 2: chat with you, and what a great job you've got. Right, great, gush,

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01:56:08,812 --> 01:56:11,013
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. That is all the time we've

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Speaker 2: got for today. But just a reminder, if you're interested

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01:56:14,653 --> 01:56:17,213
Speaker 2: in the protest. It's happening on November the twenty second.

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01:56:17,253 --> 01:56:19,253
Speaker 2: You can go check it out. Just google One Ocean

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01:56:19,453 --> 01:56:22,653
Speaker 2: Protest and you can get all the details there. Thank

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01:56:22,772 --> 01:56:24,893
Speaker 2: you very much. As always, we're going out with a

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01:56:24,933 --> 01:56:26,933
Speaker 2: bit of Born to Be Right Wild because we had

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01:56:26,933 --> 01:56:29,413
Speaker 2: a great chat about freedom camping, So go Haard. It's

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01:56:29,493 --> 01:56:32,533
Speaker 2: your country, take ownership of it. Park where you like

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01:56:32,613 --> 01:56:33,972
Speaker 2: and enjoy. We'll see you tomorrow.

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