1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: This get together today between Russia and Ukraine and Turkey. 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Did anything come of it? Apart from a prisoners what 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: happens next? For goodness Stake, geopolitical analyst Jeffrey Miller's back 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: with us on this one. Jeffrey, morning to you. 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike. 6 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: That attack on the Russian planes over the weekend, I mean, 7 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: I don't want to glorify war, but what a stroke 8 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: of genius. I mean, to be able to get that 9 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: many drones into Russia undercover and do what they did 10 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: to the Russian planes is extraordinary, isn't it. 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: It certainly was a very bold move, Mike. It was 12 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 2: very asymmetric. It took out a third of Russia's fleet 13 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: of bomber aircrafts. Around forty have been destroyed or damaged. 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: I think Round thirteen apparently have been fully destroyed, but 15 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: damage to the other school will stop them from flying 16 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: for some period. But yet it doesn't change things really 17 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: on the battlefield, and Russia has been slowly making gains, 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: slow but steady gains over the past year or more. 19 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: And what that move. I think that Ukraine a talk 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: with the drones destroying the aircraft and Russia will do 21 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: will be it will give a boost to morale in Ukraine, 22 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 2: and will try and get support from from Europe, from 23 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: the United States, and try and bring Western allies back 24 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: into the war and try and change minds to the 25 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 2: people who think that maybe the wall's completely lost and 26 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: it's just time to do a deal with Russia. But 27 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: I think Donald Trump will perhaps not look too kindly 28 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: on that move, because he may say it is really 29 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: trying to scuffer the peace Talksimber. It took place on 30 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: the eve of these peace talks in a Stanbull and 31 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: Donald Trump has very much been championing the idea that 32 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: you talk and work out a diplomatic solution to the war. 33 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: Where does he sit in this? I mean I can't. 34 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: I can't look, I honestly can't work out what's going on. 35 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you turn up in Turkey. I mean, how 36 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: many times do we have to turn up in Turkey 37 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: and swap a few prisoners. That doesn't strike me as 38 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: a real thing. And then the Americans are busy one 39 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: day saying we're in it till we get peace, and 40 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: the next minute we're off. I mean, with the hell 41 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: are we? 42 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: Look? It's very hard to work out at the moment, Mike. 43 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: We had a week ago Donald Trump coming out calling 44 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: Vladimir Person is crazy, saying that he's playing with fire. 45 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: But we do know that Donald Trump wants peace talks. 46 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: His press secretary has said that he's open to coming 47 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: to Istanbul for one of the future realms. He really 48 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: does want the two signs to do a deal. He 49 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: is the deal maker after all, Donald Trump. But his 50 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: talks today were very disappointing. They lasted scarcely an hour 51 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: and resulted simply in an agreement to swat further prisons 52 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: of war. Russia gave its demands for ending the war, 53 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: which are completely maximalist and don't really seem like a 54 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: serious attempt to negotiate. So look, in the end, it's 55 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: going to take leader level negotiation. You're not going to 56 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: do it with these small delegations. We need diplomacy, we 57 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: need dialogue, we need the escalation, but we're going to 58 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: need ultimately. Vladimir Person bought him as an ends Again, 59 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: Donald Trump, probably in a room in Istanbul, for this 60 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: war is going to come to an end diplomatically, all. 61 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: Right, Jeffer, appreciate as much as I love you, I 62 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: can't keep bringing you up every time, those SAT prisons. 63 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: I mean, that's going to get on Foriver, isn't it. 64 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 65 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: News Talks at B from six am weekdays, or follow 66 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.