WEBVTT - Could supplements be doing you more harm than good? 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:07.800 Hi, I'm from Chester Budgin and I'm Louise Area and 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:09.760 this is season five of our New Zealand to Here 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:12.200 with podcasts The Little Things Good to have you with us. 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:14.360 So in this podcast, we talked to experts. We found 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:15.800 out all the little things that you need to know 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:18.120 to improve all areas of your life and cut through 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.680 the confusion and overload of information out there. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.680 So today, supplements, we're going to talk about how to 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.319 find out whether you even really need a supplement, and 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:27.920 if you do, we're going to find out how to 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:30.880 select a good quality supplement and make it work best 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:32.720 for you. And we're going to get the low down 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:34.599 on some of the supplement trends out there and talk 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:38.080 about everything from vitamin D to Mauldi vitamins to anti 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:39.280 aging supplements. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:41.880 This is one area where there is a huge amount 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.599 of information. It is confusing. I mean, this just sort 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.120 of fits the bill of what we what we're trying 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.120 to do here through that. Yeah, Yeah, So I'm so 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.159 excited we're going to talk about this today. Do you 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:53.600 use use supplements? 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.800 I do not take a single supplement these days. I 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.120 toy with the idea. I definitely did. If you're a call. 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.040 Coming out of my illness, I took quite a lot 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.080 of supplements. Yeah, then it just kind of you still 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:09.600 taking protein powder? You a sorry create sorry creating? Yeah, 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.000 I don't. I kind of probably should, but I don't 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.319 really think of those as supplement. No, yes, protein powder 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.520 when I remember creating, when I remember, I must ask 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.600 our guest about that, whether or not. It's the consistency 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.640 that counts. Was that sort of thing. But other than 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.080 those two things, yeah, nothing. Try not to even take 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.680 a paracetamaf I don't need it. I'm very much the same. 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:30.800 I do use protein powder as a way to get 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.280 a little extra protein in the day, and that's about it. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:35.960 I was using a Mega three for a while from 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.680 the joints and things, but it's just so I don't 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.000 know whether they work or not. And then and then 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.000 you sort of you know, and these things are costly. 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.440 I don't have the money to be paying for something 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.000 that's not working all. I mean, i'd probably take the 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.680 placebo effect, but then I might finish a bottle and 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.160 I'll think, oh, should I replace them? And I just 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.240 live with things for a month and I go, oh, 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.040 maybe my joints are a bits or but then you go, 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.960 but actually it's winter and it's degrees outside, would be 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.440 would they be like that anyway? Like with some of them, 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.160 what I would really like to know is when does 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.320 it matter that it's a super high quality expensive one 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.160 and when does it not matter? And you can get 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.840 the cheaper version of something and still get the same impact. So, 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.120 for example, Amega three is a really good example of that, 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.360 I think, because there are some cheap ones, you know, 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.040 those really big bottles, the ones that you can get. 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.320 I don't know how long is the active ingredient for 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.239 who knows, Like you're right, it could just be a 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:25.040 PLACEBA effect. 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:26.600 And that's what I'm really excited today we're going to 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:27.880 talk about. We're going to sort of learn how to 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.239 read labels and what to look for and understanding the 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.359 kind of doses that you should be taking of things. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.280 I think I have quite an old fashioned perception of 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.040 taking vitamins and nutrients. I think in the past I've 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.720 just got, oh, look, I'm just I'll just take some 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.720 vitamin B, or I'll just take a body vitamin and 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.720 all vitamin C. And you know that's fine. If I 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:48.640 don't need it, I'll just pee it. Out. You know, 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:52.560 I've ever thought of them as being a harmful or anything. 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.040 But what we are actually seeing is the industry grows, 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.480 is that it can actually you know, all these things 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:58.920 do have to be processed by a body, and they 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:00.920 can cause harm as well. So it's going to be 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.720 great to talk about that a little bit today and 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.320 making sure that what we're doing is benefiting us and not. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.359 And if you find yourself on a because the prescriptages, yeah, 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.400 ages are tearing into the supplements and things now. And 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.600 if you if you are on a prescribed medication and 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.360 you're taking supplements, what's the you know, who knows you 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:23.200 could be doing yourself some harm? And if the GP 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.400 asks you, how often do you do you honestly say, oh, yes, 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.720 here's the list of I don't think you've taken because 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:30.840 some of these people don't think about it and or 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:31.600 they don't admit it. 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.000 Yeah, maybe because they don't want to be poopooped by 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.120 their GP. So there is a lot to cover, and 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:38.720 I think there are times in your life where you 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.560 do need them, like, for example, foll late when you're 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.840 pregnant in that absolutely, so I guess today is naturopath 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.840 Aaron O'Hara. Aaron holds both a Bachelor of Science and 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.040 Physiology and a Bachelor of Natural Medicine. She combines that 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:54.160 knowledge of naturopathy and science to provide an integrative, an 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.000 evidence based approach to well being. Aaron has been in 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.760 the health and well being industry for around twenty years now, 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.760 but she continues to do extensive study to keep on 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.320 top of scientific research and it is hugely passionate about health. 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.600 Good to have you with us, are and welcome. Hi, 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:11.080 Nice to have you with us, Aaron. 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.320 Let's just start with the obvious question when it comes 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.279 to supplements, do we need to supplement our diet? 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.400 Yeah, I think there's mixed views on that, and I 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.960 was actually looking through some of the current research on 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.920 do we need supplements, and there has actually been studies 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.960 done with people over long periods of time, whether they've 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.080 taken a multi vitamin or taken a placebo, and it's 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.680 interesting the research that comes out of those studies is 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.480 actually there's very little difference between the two groups. So 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.920 it really depends on your own health and well being 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.000 and what sort of diet you're having, as well as 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.120 if you do have any specific sort of deficiencies that 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.240 you'd want to be looking out for. So people who 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.039 were maybe likes of being on a vegan diet, you 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.760 might be looking at supplementing on top of that, or 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:58.720 maybe certain health conditions like ours herporosis that we may 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:03.039 want some extra supplements. When it comes to a multi vitamin, 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:04.840 I think people are quick to grab them off the 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.000 shelf and be like, it's my insurance policy for keeping 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.799 myself healthy. But actually, I think we need to really 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.479 take a second look at Okay, what are we taking, 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.279 what is in't it? What extra additives are in that supplement, 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.599 and are they going to be doing more benefit or 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.360 harm to your body? And it's not the same for everyone, unfortunately, 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:25.960 we are all a little bit different and unique, and 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.960 I think that's where it depends on your natural nutrient 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.799 levels in your body, but also how your organs also 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.400 process those supplements as well, and the quality of the 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:36.359 product is huge. 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.960 I guess, like everything that we talk about on this podcast, 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:45.080 it isn't a one size fits all situation. And so 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.400 how if we wanted to know whether or not we 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.919 needed a specific supplement, how do we know? 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.479 I think it's first looking at your own health. So 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.680 I think the question I would usually ask someone is 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.320 why are you wanting to take supplements? Are you looking 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.960 at some sort of symptom that you've got, or do 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.919 you have a medicine condition you're wanting some extra support with, 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.640 and then from there looking at doing blood testing. It's 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.040 usually where I like to start. I like to know 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.719 where our baseline is and not just packing supplements based 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:18.440 on what it could possibly be good for, but instead, okay, 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.400 what is your general wellbeing like before you start putting 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.080 in supplements, and then you also know the effect of 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.919 those supplements on your body, particularly things like liver that 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.880 might be holding more toxic load when you're adding more 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.800 supplements in and actually having an educative view of what 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:35.360 you're supplementmenting in. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:37.680 So that's interesting. You're not just take You're not just 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.839 doing the testing to see if you may be deficient 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.920 in something like iron, but you also once you start 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:47.000 a supplement is actually worth testing to make sure that 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:48.960 it's not having an impact on certain parts of your 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:50.000 body like your liver and things. 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.880 Yeah, because it's looking about sort of where your general 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.120 health is at. And when you look at basic bloods, 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.000 you've got complete blood count. That's really looking at whether 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.760 you've got anemia, how your red blood sell how your 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.400 immune system's working. And then also organ function is usually 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.520 in a very basic panel, so that would be a 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.240 liver function test, as well as looking at renal function, 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:14.240 which is your kidneys. And most supplements if you're overdosing 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.920 yourself or even taking the right dose, is they are 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.360 actually getting processed through the liver and the kidneys. So 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.680 being really mindful of those organs because they're filtering whatever 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:24.680 you're putting in your body. 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.720 So don't tell me off, because I know I should 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.480 know better, But I did say in the introduction, I 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.800 think I do have quite an old fashioned perception of 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.200 taking a taking a vitamin, taking a supplement, which is, oh, 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:37.720 if my body doesn't need it, I'll just pee it 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.920 out like it's harmless. And you know, we've always talked 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.280 about that with vitamin C, and everyone said the bright 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.760 yellow P at some point and you're just kind of going, oh, 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.640 that's fine, if my body doesn't need it, I'll just 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.240 pay it out. And I think we worry. We feel 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.560 like does anyone else Did anyone else used to think 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:52.840 like that? 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:54.920 Yeah? I know, And I think you can tune that 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.680 around and say, if my body doesn't need it, why 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.320 would I make my body process something I don't need 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.720 Because I do remember when I must have been I 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.320 can't remember somewhere in that bloody haze of illness, but 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.280 you know, they've talked about liver loading a lot, and 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.520 it's stuck in my mind. Is that what am I 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.600 doing if I take this or that or the other thing. 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.040 And also when I went to the GP recently and 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.600 they said, oh, yeah, that's cool, you probably should take 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:18.800 something for your cholestol, but let's just get your kidneys. 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:20.960 Are like, oh really, I hope blood tested it. She 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:24.080 was like, well, I need to know before we prescribe 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.160 you something that could even impact on your you know, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:26.800 renal function. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.440 And that's where looking at that as your first line, 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.120 because if you get some testing done and you're also 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.839 looking at your diet and your lifestyle first, it really 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.959 supplements are their next sort of extra. On top of that, 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.800 they're not the instead of eating a healthy diet, you're 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.320 going to supplement in nutrients. It doesn't work like that, 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.520 even if you might like it to work like that. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.040 And then I also think just your general public, if 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.160 you're looking at supplements like, obviously, I've spent six years 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.200 at university, and I know what's a fat soluble vitamin 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:56.920 that's going to get processed through the live and what's 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.320 a water soluble vitamin that's going to get processed through 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.920 the kidneys. But I think basically, if you haven't sort 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:06.360 of studied supplements in depth, you wouldn't know that from 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:10.160 picking up a bottle and a container and reading the label, 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.920 because basically it will have the ingredients in it and 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.160 maybe a few warnings, but it's not going to tell 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:19.160 you whether you're going to be overdosing yourself on something, 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.440 whether it's right for you or not, or whether it 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:25.280 even interacts with possibly any medications that you're taking. And 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.080 I think that's what people quite often don't look at. Okay, 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.600 is there any what's known as polypharmacy of the interaction 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.959 between your supplements and your medications and are they going 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.440 to be helping the medications work better or are they're 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.640 actually going to be doing more harm than good and 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.880 actually making maybe the medication not even work, which is 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:45.760 actually not something you want to be doing. If you've 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:47.439 got a chronic health condition. 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:49.559 Maybe we should this is a good time to talk 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.800 about labeling because half the time I don't have my 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.120 glasses on me and I can't read anything anyway, that's 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:55.800 so tiny. 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:57.360 Intentionally, I'm sure I. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:01.040 Completely agree with you. So are our supplements well labeled 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.400 erin in New Zealand, well, they have to have. 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:08.400 A certain amount of information on the label. Definitely. Australia 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:12.440 is stricter on what labeling goes on, particularly of having 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.400 the warnings and having their right sort of listing of ingredients. 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.840 In New Zealand we're even a little bit more lax 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:23.280 than that, and that we wouldn't always put the warnings. However, 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.120 in New Zealand we do have a stricter regulation around 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.800 you're not allowed to label the bottle based on the 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.360 action that it would have. For instance, a probatic that's 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:38.000 for ezma wouldn't say that on the bottle, where in 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.120 countries like Australia they can actually have a little bit 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.200 more guidance based on the labeling of what they're putting 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:47.360 on the branding of maybe the product name. So different 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:51.080 countries have different regulations and how they sort of do 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.520 the labeling and the labeling gives you a lot of information, 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.960 but also like unless you know what you're reading. And 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.520 I think how many people actually read the label before 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:04.319 they take supplements. Probably very few, and they don't always 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.200 have the warnings of exactly, Okay, you can't take it 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:11.040 with this medication, this medication, this medication. Instead you kind 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.440 of left to like it usually has just a very 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:18.480 broad spectrum check with your practitioner for docing or medical advice, 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.360 and I think that generally it's on every bottle kind 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.360 of something like that at the bottom of it'll have 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.800 that sort of warning of like make sure you're checking 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:34.760 with your professional doctor, and that's right, good, But also 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.880 do we actually do that, as my question to most 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.240 people is do they actually check that they're taking, you know, 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.200 before they're taking something, they're checking in with either a 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.120 natural path or who actually would know more about supplements 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.559 than your doctor because that's what they study at university, 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.360 or even checking in with your doctor, especially if you're 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.080 taking a medication and maybe doing a double check of both, 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:01.200 because the labor won't necessarily telling you whether it's safe 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:02.520 for your body or not. 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.520 So we're sort of getting we're getting an education from 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:11.480 the industry rather than a you and hoping, you know, 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.319 crossing our thing isn't hoping that's right or not even 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:16.520 crossing our fingers. We're just grabbing it off the shewers, really, 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.679 aren't we. And I don't like you say, franchis gra, 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.200 I don't think people do read. I think you're looking 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.720 for that star product, like you say, like the AMGA three's, 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.040 that's the thing that you're looking for, But do you 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.560 read everything else that's involved in it, including the casing 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:30.200 that it comes in. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.160 There's a lot of additives that actually added to supplements 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.600 that actually when they are really small amounts, that don't 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.160 actually have to be put on the label. So unless 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.439 you actually go in and you look at that actual 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:45.240 product information which quite often is more available to a 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.240 practitioner than it is to your average person, then you 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.679 won't see all the hidden ingredients because it all have 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.920 the active ingredients and maybe some of the main ingredients 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.760 like vegie capsules, but it won't have the extra little 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.120 additives that are in there. And maybe you're reacting to 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.920 one of those things, which is absolutely possible too. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.840 Here in New Zealand, do we test any of our 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:06.920 supplements to make sure that what they tell us is 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:11.000 on the bottle is actually in the tablet. 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:14.440 No, and there are very few countries that do. And 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.280 it's interesting around the regulations in New Zealand that the 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:23.240 dietary supplement regulations in New Zealand are actually classified under 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:28.439 Dietary Supplement Regulations nineteen eighty five, so we're talking about 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.120 forty years ago, and it falls under the Food Act 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:37.680 of twenty fourteen, so it's actually quite old regulations that 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.080 we have in place. And I've worked in this industry 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:44.160 for a long time and obviously the supplement industry growth 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:48.199 is now in the trillion dollar industry. Yet our regulations 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.640 are still set back forty years ago and they're still classified, 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:55.959 especially in New Zealand, under a food product rather than Yes, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:00.360 they've got the dietary supplement sort of regulations, but it's 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.280 still classified as under foods rather than under medications. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.240 So if Australia is more highly regulated in the way 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.640 that they manufacture and the way that they label and 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.640 what they produce, should we be looking for products that 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.920 are also sold in Australia. Is that quite a good 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.760 way around, you know, saying oh, here's a good quality 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.080 New Zealand product and oh look it also happens to 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.520 meet the Australian standards. So that's a little double tip. 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.320 That's something that I personally always look for because I 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:31.680 know that the TGA, which is the regulating body in Australia, 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.320 is a lot stricter than New Zealand, and New Zealand 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.040 kind of falls under that's under the sort of medsafe 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.560 it kind of falls under. They kind of follow what 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.360 Australia is doing in general. However, there's certain funny rules 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:46.800 in New Zealand, especially around things like zinc, where zinc 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.720 and New Zealand assoppment's not allowed to be above fifteen 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.400 milligrams per day, which actually, if you're deficient in zinc, 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.560 will not be enough to get your zinc back to 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.760 normal levels, which means whoever's prescribing it's going to have 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:00.600 to dose it higher than that get you back to 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.040 normal levels. And that's where it comes down to sort 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.880 of testing and taking the right dose of what you need. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.600 But in New Zealand we have more broad spectrum sort 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.960 of regulations were things like iron supplements they can only 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.640 be a set amount, which I think is twenty four 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.880 milligrams per tablet and an iron supplement. When it comes 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:22.800 to vitamin D, the regulation New Zealand is one thousand units, 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:27.000 which for most people that probably doesn't mean much. But 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.840 if I'm dosing vitamin D and I'm just trying to 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:33.800 keep someone at like a healthy level for their body size, 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:38.080 then I'd classify one thousand international units. Theres enough for 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.680 a twenty five K low child, So you would have 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.280 to really know how to dose that and get the 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:45.400 right dose for your size. 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.640 So what I'm getting from this is if you think 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:49.240 that you know, if you're looking for something to help 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.200 you out, like if you feel that you know, as 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:52.880 you say, you've got a symptom, you're dealing with something 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.560 else or whatever. You get your blood tests and then 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.480 you find someone who can professionally tell you exactly how 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.240 much you need to of a zero product to actually 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.680 make an impact on you, and then keep an eye 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.200 on you to make sure that it's actually doing the 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:11.040 trick and you're not harming your body, and hopefully it's 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:12.520 you making an impact. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.760 And that's where really supplements should be looked at more 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.680 being something to create change in the body to bring 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.680 you back to optimal health, rather than having a supplement 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.520 plan that's the supplement pan that you take for the 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.280 rest of your life to stay healthy, like it shouldn't 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.400 be like that. And when I see most people come 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:34.000 into my personal clinic, if they've picked their own supplements, 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.040 generally they pick what i'd call basics, which is like 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.240 a multi vitamin, maybe a probiotic, maybe a for suil 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.760 and a magnesium and they kind of don't go from there. 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:49.080 But when it comes to further sort of from their supplements, 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:53.040 there's actually a lot of supplements out there, like thousands 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:56.200 of supplements around the world, and trying to pick what's 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.520 right for you really depends on what's going on in 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.040 your body. And again that about creating change, Like if 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.639 you're looking at something like arthritis, you want to get 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.680 on some stuff to get the information down, and then 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.480 you want to go on to like a maintenance plan, 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.399 and that's where your supplement plan. And even for my 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.520 own personal supplement plan, it's not a cookie cutter of 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.159 like the same thing that I take every month. That 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.399 will depend what's going on in my body and what 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.320 I'm taking, so I might rotate iron supplements in and out. 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.679 It's so true because if you take something and you 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:26.800 think it's working. 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:27.119 You're terrified. 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.080 You don't want to stop it. No, You're like, no, 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.760 I'll just stop just then, like money and taking it, 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:33.480 and you potentially could stop it. 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:35.840 Yeah, But for example, if you are like for me, 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:37.320 I'm going to be training for something and I'm going 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.600 to be training further and longer and be out there, 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.040 you know, what I'm doing to my body or what 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.360 I'm needing for my body is going to change and 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:48.080 over these next coming you know, six nine months. Can 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.080 I just ask a question, where is the hold up 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:52.920 with getting better regulation? 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.959 Well, there's talk about it being more like a global regulation, 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.560 and there has been talk about that and having better 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:05.520 sort of international requirements internationally to make it more standard. 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.560 And there's obviously two sides to that as well, is 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.919 that you know, that could create some benefit but also 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.520 some problems as well. When we're looking at like having 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:20.359 stricter regulations and making them more become like drugs and 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:22.879 that that need to be prescribed for something that you 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.640 need to take, which I do feel like there are 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:30.159 certain supplements that should be in that classification because people 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.760 taking them and not knowing what they're doing usually is 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.160 not a good thing. Where there could be other sort 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.200 of there could be two ranges. That's just my view 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.840 on it. When it comes to having strict regulations, obviously 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.320 there's safety concerns around that, and also who's doing the 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.520 regulating do they actually know? Like is it based on 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.240 somebody's view and how they like to work with a body, 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.520 Like then you'd need a certain team and how they 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:58.760 work on what's okay and what's not okay. Also, strict 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.720 regulations claim so you kind of cut back on that 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.000 because you also have tied a regulation of what's going 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:10.040 on labels and how they work, and also then stricter 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:14.040 regulations around interactions with sort of medications as well, which 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:19.000