1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,239 Speaker 1: In the early hours of our morning, the US President, 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: as you well aware, hit the phone. So you had 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: a chat with Zelensky, had a chat with Putin. So 4 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: where are we at? Key based foreign policy and security 5 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: analyst Jimmy Rushden back with us. Jimmy morning, Good morning. 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm very well and doing. I'm trying to work out 7 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: what actually happened. Apart from the you know, the nicest 8 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: he's about it all is anyone getting together to actually 9 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: talk about ending the war, and you know, I don't 10 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: know ending the war. 11 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: Not much happened, to be honest. Donald Trump and Vladimir 12 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: Putin had a lovely chat and apparently called each other 13 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: by first names, and then did the kind of lovers 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: you know, the scene the romantic comedy where that each 15 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: one tries to tell the other to hang up first. 16 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: It was kind of It's really surreal to see a 17 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: US president essentially engaging in this dance with Putin, who 18 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: is clearly manipulating him, and it's clearly working him like 19 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: the you know, the ex KGB officer that he is. 20 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: So the Pope got involved and said, you can use 21 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: my place of you is anybody using anybody's place to 22 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: do anything? Or is this just another week of Turkey 23 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: Turkey Turkey, whoops, nothing happened. 24 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: Well, I think that the reason why Turkey is traditionally 25 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: used is because the Turks are trusted by both sides. 26 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: I think the Pope is obviously he's been very strong 27 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: pro Ukrainian. He met with Zelensky. It was actually his 28 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 2: first foreign leader that he met. You know, I think 29 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: that there you could argue that there has been a 30 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: positive step in regards to this prisoner exchange, this one 31 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: thousand for a thousand, which is apparently going to go 32 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: through in the next couple of days. But you know, 33 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: prisoner exchange has happened, happening throughout the war really that 34 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: you know, they've they've been kind of indirect contacts through 35 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: the UAE and other third party countries to arrange these. So, 36 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: you know, it's there's really not a lot to talk 37 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: about it. It's Donald Trump again getting played by Putin 38 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: and not really understanding. 39 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: I'm glad that's exactly my scenes. Yeah, what what do 40 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: I just don't know who to believed? Do I believe 41 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: Ruby ol Jeddi Vance? So one day they're saying, look, 42 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: you guys sought this out or we're out, or Rubiosi 43 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: said the other day, we're here until we get peaced, which. 44 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: Is I don't even think they know. To be honest, 45 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: I think Rubio obviously he's a traditional kind of hawkish Republican, 46 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: and if he was president, he'd be handling this extremely differently. 47 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: With Vance. I think he generally tries to say anything 48 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 2: that he feels will resonate with the base and you know, 49 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 2: please Trump. We saw that in the Oval office, for example, 50 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: when they had that massive bust with Zelenski. And yeah, 51 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: I think there is a large case of really making 52 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 2: it up as they go along. They really don't have 53 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: this set goal. They think that they can, you know, 54 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: appeal to Putin's better interest to keep talking about this 55 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: destructive war where loads of people are dying, but Putin 56 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 2: just doesn't care about the lives of either his own 57 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: people or obviously Ukraine. 58 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: No, exactly, all right, Jimmy will starting touch pretty sure. 59 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: Jimmy Rushdan out of Cooper or next morning for more 60 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks 61 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: it'd be from sex Am weekdays, or follow the podcast 62 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.