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Speaker 2: Take another pat now it's rick, it is out, The

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Speaker 2: test is over. Goodness smooth, oh fous a beauty, it

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Speaker 1: On the front foot where Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney

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Speaker 2: The Black Cats are on the back foot for a

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Speaker 2: period of the Matchigan Sri Lanka. When they got on

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Speaker 2: the front foot, boys, did they show some real quality.

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Speaker 2: Here we are on the front foot with raisine color

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Speaker 2: cot expert advice be a decorating project watch out. The

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Speaker 2: proved costly for the black Caps in the past, almost

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Speaker 2: looked like it could be the case this time as well.

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Speaker 2: Latim emphatic woe and impressive recovery against Sri Lanka has

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Speaker 2: opened a way for a semi final. West Indies and

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Speaker 2: England joined South Africa with strong claim for the semi

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Speaker 2: finals along with India and Faults. Peter Fulton heads off

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Speaker 2: for international coaching experience after a distinguished impact on the

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Speaker 2: game in Canterbury. Also controversy raging again in the English

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Speaker 2: domestic program as the one hundred extends the divisions in

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Speaker 2: the political game. That politics and hundreds are not what

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Speaker 2: we're on about today. Jeremy Canny and Peter Holland reflecting

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Speaker 2: back on the World T twenty and an emphatic win

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Speaker 2: over Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, Jeremy Caney, that is

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Speaker 2: a real cause of confidence, bearing in mind they were

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Speaker 2: on toast after about fifteen of us, weren't they.

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Speaker 4: They were once? Yeah six, But yeah, look an important win,

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Speaker 5: I mean, a critical game but for both teams keeps

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Speaker 5: you know they can't catch New Zealand, so they yet

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Speaker 5: so the power play was, you know, just not quite

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Speaker 5: Then Ravendra and Phillips had a few good overs, two

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Speaker 4: Then in came to Big Sharanna and he plucked out

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Speaker 2: My word it was. It was quite clearly defendable when

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Speaker 3: Good toss to get inserted. I think by the opposition

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was the point, Jerry. Wasn't it

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Speaker 5: When New Zealand have operated seventeen overs with spinners, it's extraordinary, really,

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Speaker 5: twelve overs of spin and got seven wickets. And then

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Speaker 3: us is Cole McConkie, you know, great selection with the

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Speaker 3: And can I just comment that that one hundred from

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Speaker 5: I think this has shown that the bowlers are very

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Speaker 5: And so I think those bowlers will get a lot

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Speaker 2: Most definitely you talked about mconkie coming in as a

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Speaker 2: Russian Ravendro got four. We'll get some thirty. But to me,

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Speaker 2: I'm not decrying Revender. I'm glad to see him in

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Speaker 5: They're both important words, aren't they. I can get your

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Speaker 2: We're getting eight.

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Speaker 5: Off the sixteenth over and then the two sixers off

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Speaker 4: So so, I mean, you know that's quite a tricky

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Speaker 4: you're going to give it to them both wads, well,

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Speaker 4: a couple of medals. It's going to cost you a

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Speaker 5: The other one is, you know Revendra the case for

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Speaker 4: Getting two wickets, one wicket and one wicket. So I

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Speaker 2: more around them at times? As you a player, as

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00:24:09,813 --> 00:24:12,413
Speaker 2: a player, you've probably experienced times when you might have

437
00:24:12,493 --> 00:24:16,213
Speaker 2: been you know, almost players to use by date for

438
00:24:16,533 --> 00:24:20,373
Speaker 2: a season or performance. Now players are getting more rest time,

439
00:24:20,413 --> 00:24:20,773
Speaker 2: aren't they.

440
00:24:21,373 --> 00:24:21,973
Speaker 7: Yeah, they are.

441
00:24:22,293 --> 00:24:24,253
Speaker 6: I mean they play a lot more cricket as well,

442
00:24:24,373 --> 00:24:27,413
Speaker 6: So it's a really fine balance. If you know, if

443
00:24:27,853 --> 00:24:29,773
Speaker 6: some of these players, that especially the ones that are

444
00:24:29,773 --> 00:24:32,693
Speaker 6: playing international cricket and franchise cricket, you know, if they

445
00:24:32,733 --> 00:24:35,053
Speaker 6: don't if they don't have those periods of rest then

446
00:24:35,693 --> 00:24:38,413
Speaker 6: something's going to give at some stage, and unfortunately, the

447
00:24:38,533 --> 00:24:41,693
Speaker 6: financial I guess rewards of franchise cricket probably dictate that

448
00:24:41,733 --> 00:24:45,013
Speaker 6: it might be the international game that suffers. So yeah,

449
00:24:45,093 --> 00:24:47,533
Speaker 6: I don't I certainly don't envy the people that have

450
00:24:47,613 --> 00:24:51,053
Speaker 6: to make those decisions because, like I say, you're stuck

451
00:24:51,093 --> 00:24:52,253
Speaker 6: between a rock and a hard place.

452
00:24:53,093 --> 00:24:55,453
Speaker 2: Have you learned a lot of coaches you've gone along

453
00:24:55,493 --> 00:24:55,773
Speaker 2: as well?

454
00:24:56,253 --> 00:24:56,453
Speaker 7: Yeah?

455
00:24:56,453 --> 00:25:00,973
Speaker 6: Absolutely, absolutely, I think you're always learning. There's always different

456
00:25:01,013 --> 00:25:05,573
Speaker 6: challenges every season. Every season is different, there's different scenarios

457
00:25:05,613 --> 00:25:09,013
Speaker 6: that pop up, There's you know, different players will have

458
00:25:09,133 --> 00:25:11,413
Speaker 6: different issues and things that they're working on or they

459
00:25:11,453 --> 00:25:14,093
Speaker 6: need help with. So yeah, I think always trying to

460
00:25:14,333 --> 00:25:16,253
Speaker 6: always trying to get better as a coach is the

461
00:25:16,333 --> 00:25:19,173
Speaker 6: same as you know, no different to a player trying

462
00:25:19,213 --> 00:25:22,733
Speaker 6: to get better. And also, like I just mentioned, the

463
00:25:23,173 --> 00:25:27,293
Speaker 6: demands of the game now internationally, franchise cricket different things

464
00:25:27,293 --> 00:25:31,293
Speaker 6: around the world. Yeah, I suppose the perspective of the

465
00:25:31,333 --> 00:25:33,733
Speaker 6: players has changed to when I started, where it was

466
00:25:33,933 --> 00:25:37,413
Speaker 6: literally about playing for in my case, playing with Canobury

467
00:25:37,453 --> 00:25:40,453
Speaker 6: and trying to play for New Zealand and now and

468
00:25:40,573 --> 00:25:43,093
Speaker 6: now there's a whole whole lot of other different opportunities

469
00:25:43,133 --> 00:25:46,493
Speaker 6: are out there, and young players come through now you know,

470
00:25:46,653 --> 00:25:48,293
Speaker 6: they want those opportunities.

471
00:25:49,293 --> 00:25:51,813
Speaker 2: It's in the media last week that you took on

472
00:25:52,333 --> 00:25:54,533
Speaker 2: this role and applied for it because you didn't get

473
00:25:54,613 --> 00:25:57,893
Speaker 2: an interview for the black Caps role. Do you see

474
00:25:57,933 --> 00:26:01,853
Speaker 2: yourself perhaps being available for the black Caps in future

475
00:26:02,013 --> 00:26:04,173
Speaker 2: if it crops up?

476
00:26:05,493 --> 00:26:06,653
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't.

477
00:26:07,133 --> 00:26:09,973
Speaker 6: That wasn't That wasn't the sole reason why I applied,

478
00:26:11,053 --> 00:26:12,933
Speaker 6: you know, it probably it probably just gave me the

479
00:26:13,013 --> 00:26:17,653
Speaker 6: last little little push that I needed. But like I said,

480
00:26:17,893 --> 00:26:21,693
Speaker 6: I have no no hard feelings you know, around around

481
00:26:21,733 --> 00:26:25,653
Speaker 6: that process. It's the nature of professional sport, whether your

482
00:26:25,693 --> 00:26:29,373
Speaker 6: player or a coach. So yeah, that wasn't wasn't really

483
00:26:29,453 --> 00:26:32,013
Speaker 6: the deciding factor. I just thought it would be a

484
00:26:32,053 --> 00:26:36,333
Speaker 6: great opportunity, you know, and a really exciting one as well.

485
00:26:36,733 --> 00:26:40,253
Speaker 2: They talk about another sports coaches giving opportunities to coach

486
00:26:40,373 --> 00:26:43,773
Speaker 2: overseas and in a different environment, which can be of

487
00:26:43,813 --> 00:26:46,293
Speaker 2: a help to you if if you do come back

488
00:26:46,293 --> 00:26:47,893
Speaker 2: and take on a role here in New Zealand.

489
00:26:48,333 --> 00:26:51,293
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think that's the that's the that's the

490
00:26:51,373 --> 00:26:53,733
Speaker 6: other that's the other real plus about the job, not

491
00:26:53,813 --> 00:26:56,413
Speaker 6: only is it a really good opportunity for myself in

492
00:26:56,533 --> 00:27:00,053
Speaker 6: the family. Yeah, I think later on down the line,

493
00:27:00,493 --> 00:27:04,693
Speaker 6: you know, whatever, you know, whatever coaching job I'm trying

494
00:27:04,693 --> 00:27:06,173
Speaker 6: to go into, I think this will be this will

495
00:27:06,173 --> 00:27:07,533
Speaker 6: be something that will hold me in good stead.

496
00:27:08,413 --> 00:27:10,533
Speaker 2: You reflect on the last say five or six years

497
00:27:10,573 --> 00:27:12,373
Speaker 2: and your involvement in the coaching side, and of course

498
00:27:12,413 --> 00:27:16,813
Speaker 2: before that the matting coach with the Black Caps, what

499
00:27:16,933 --> 00:27:21,093
Speaker 2: do you see as the standard of the New Zealand

500
00:27:21,173 --> 00:27:23,013
Speaker 2: game At the moment? We seem to be doing pretty

501
00:27:23,053 --> 00:27:26,173
Speaker 2: well in a group and age group competitions without winning

502
00:27:26,533 --> 00:27:30,253
Speaker 2: titles and such like, but should be pretty happy with

503
00:27:30,373 --> 00:27:32,533
Speaker 2: the way the game is developing in New Zealand and

504
00:27:32,573 --> 00:27:35,493
Speaker 2: the opportunities that arising for our leading players.

505
00:27:36,173 --> 00:27:37,773
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so, and I think that'll be the

506
00:27:37,853 --> 00:27:40,093
Speaker 6: balance moving forward for New Zealand Cricket is trying to

507
00:27:40,133 --> 00:27:44,173
Speaker 6: make sure that you know, there are still opportunities for

508
00:27:44,253 --> 00:27:47,773
Speaker 6: young players coming through to develop. You know, I've probably

509
00:27:47,773 --> 00:27:50,293
Speaker 6: said this multiple times to different people over the last

510
00:27:50,333 --> 00:27:52,933
Speaker 6: few years, but the domestic game in New Zealand gets

511
00:27:52,933 --> 00:27:54,853
Speaker 6: a bit of a bad rap because you know, not

512
00:27:54,893 --> 00:27:56,493
Speaker 6: a lot of people go to the ground to watch it,

513
00:27:57,093 --> 00:28:00,293
Speaker 6: but it's still really around the country and the standard

514
00:28:00,293 --> 00:28:03,053
Speaker 6: of cricket is really really high, and you can see

515
00:28:03,093 --> 00:28:05,813
Speaker 6: that just over the last few years by the number

516
00:28:05,813 --> 00:28:08,973
Speaker 6: of players who have come from domestic cricket made their

517
00:28:09,013 --> 00:28:12,613
Speaker 6: international debuts and then performed really well. So so that's

518
00:28:12,613 --> 00:28:14,973
Speaker 6: a that's a great sign that it's preparing players for

519
00:28:15,173 --> 00:28:17,893
Speaker 6: the international game. And I suppose that's the balance moving

520
00:28:17,933 --> 00:28:20,533
Speaker 6: forward is how can we how can we keep that

521
00:28:20,733 --> 00:28:24,533
Speaker 6: development of players as a priority while also trying to

522
00:28:24,693 --> 00:28:27,653
Speaker 6: I suppose, you know, grow the game and explore other

523
00:28:27,733 --> 00:28:28,613
Speaker 6: ways of making money.

524
00:28:28,853 --> 00:28:30,933
Speaker 2: And I suppose that was highlighted on the weekend where

525
00:28:30,973 --> 00:28:32,733
Speaker 2: the two best sides were in the final of the

526
00:28:33,133 --> 00:28:37,133
Speaker 2: Ford Trophy, and it was actually an outstanding game of cricket,

527
00:28:37,173 --> 00:28:39,733
Speaker 2: but sadly there was no one there to enjoy it,

528
00:28:40,013 --> 00:28:42,333
Speaker 2: whether that be the lack of promotion or people have

529
00:28:42,453 --> 00:28:44,973
Speaker 2: other things to do. It was a good cricket and

530
00:28:45,053 --> 00:28:47,613
Speaker 2: show our game in a good spotlight, didn't it?

531
00:28:48,053 --> 00:28:48,213
Speaker 7: Oh?

532
00:28:48,373 --> 00:28:48,653
Speaker 2: It did?

533
00:28:48,773 --> 00:28:51,653
Speaker 6: And I mean anyone who anyone who watched that game

534
00:28:51,733 --> 00:28:54,453
Speaker 6: that you know the century that Henry Nicols scored and

535
00:28:54,533 --> 00:28:57,693
Speaker 6: the century that Will Young scored, you know, you won't

536
00:28:57,853 --> 00:28:59,973
Speaker 6: you won't you won't see you won't see better batting

537
00:29:00,333 --> 00:29:02,373
Speaker 6: you know, in New Zealand at any level than what

538
00:29:02,453 --> 00:29:04,853
Speaker 6: we than what we saw on Sunday. So yeah, like

539
00:29:04,933 --> 00:29:07,413
Speaker 6: I said, pleased to have played my part over the

540
00:29:07,493 --> 00:29:09,973
Speaker 6: last few years and and trying to grow the grow

541
00:29:10,053 --> 00:29:12,293
Speaker 6: the sort of talent pool in New Zealand and I

542
00:29:12,373 --> 00:29:14,653
Speaker 6: look forward to, you know, to seeing that continue in

543
00:29:14,693 --> 00:29:15,333
Speaker 6: the future.

544
00:29:15,493 --> 00:29:15,693
Speaker 7: Yeah.

545
00:29:15,733 --> 00:29:19,933
Speaker 2: One final question, there's been major discussions and even controversy

546
00:29:19,933 --> 00:29:24,133
Speaker 2: I suppose about our white ball competition, the Super Smash.

547
00:29:24,933 --> 00:29:28,853
Speaker 2: No real indication of what's going to happen in terms

548
00:29:28,933 --> 00:29:31,133
Speaker 2: of for what where New Zealand Cricket are going to

549
00:29:31,173 --> 00:29:33,013
Speaker 2: go if you got an idea on what you would

550
00:29:33,133 --> 00:29:36,133
Speaker 2: like to see in terms of the development because T

551
00:29:36,293 --> 00:29:39,893
Speaker 2: twenty cricket is still part of the framework, isn't it.

552
00:29:40,573 --> 00:29:44,453
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, and we'll only continue to probably become more

553
00:29:44,493 --> 00:29:48,973
Speaker 6: important over the years. So really a really tough decision

554
00:29:49,253 --> 00:29:51,853
Speaker 6: I think for New Zealand Cricket, trying to balance I

555
00:29:51,893 --> 00:29:54,373
Speaker 6: suppose the financial sort of future of the game and

556
00:29:55,653 --> 00:29:58,453
Speaker 6: making sure that they're looking after that, but also from

557
00:29:58,453 --> 00:30:00,373
Speaker 6: a playing point of view, what are the what's the

558
00:30:00,453 --> 00:30:03,213
Speaker 6: best way to keep developing cricketers.

559
00:30:02,813 --> 00:30:04,173
Speaker 7: That can play for New Zealand.

560
00:30:04,253 --> 00:30:09,333
Speaker 6: So yeah, not a not an easy balance, I suppose

561
00:30:09,373 --> 00:30:11,413
Speaker 6: from my point of view, I just hope that, like

562
00:30:11,533 --> 00:30:15,253
Speaker 6: I say, the overall, the overall growth of the game

563
00:30:15,293 --> 00:30:17,173
Speaker 6: and the development of the game hopefully is at the

564
00:30:17,293 --> 00:30:20,293
Speaker 6: forefront of everyone's minds, you know, because it seems like

565
00:30:21,013 --> 00:30:24,933
Speaker 6: maybe up until this point, personalities have sort of come

566
00:30:25,013 --> 00:30:28,253
Speaker 6: into it and clash of personalities. So hopefully, hopefully everyone

567
00:30:28,293 --> 00:30:30,573
Speaker 6: can get on the same page and make sure that

568
00:30:30,693 --> 00:30:33,253
Speaker 6: the growth in the future of the games, you know,

569
00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:34,293
Speaker 6: the number one priority.

570
00:30:34,573 --> 00:30:36,453
Speaker 2: And do you have a sense what the players feel

571
00:30:36,533 --> 00:30:39,973
Speaker 2: where I mean, it's obviously some players are prepared to

572
00:30:40,053 --> 00:30:42,853
Speaker 2: talk about it, other's probably within the cricket chircle. Have

573
00:30:42,933 --> 00:30:45,333
Speaker 2: you got a sense what the players would like? Do

574
00:30:45,413 --> 00:30:46,933
Speaker 2: they want to be part of the BBL or do

575
00:30:46,973 --> 00:30:49,013
Speaker 2: they want to have our own competition in New Zealand.

576
00:30:49,653 --> 00:30:51,413
Speaker 6: I think the sense I get from the players is

577
00:30:51,453 --> 00:30:53,613
Speaker 6: they would like to have our own competition in New Zealand,

578
00:30:54,053 --> 00:30:57,133
Speaker 6: and I suppose that would probably be my preference as well.

579
00:30:57,173 --> 00:30:59,733
Speaker 6: But it's just I suppose, again, as I said, finding

580
00:30:59,773 --> 00:31:02,733
Speaker 6: the balance between the financials and making sure they all

581
00:31:02,773 --> 00:31:05,413
Speaker 6: stack up, because I think if we have our own

582
00:31:05,453 --> 00:31:09,293
Speaker 6: competition in New Zealand that benefits more players overall. If

583
00:31:09,333 --> 00:31:11,773
Speaker 6: we have a big Bash team, then that'll be a

584
00:31:11,853 --> 00:31:16,413
Speaker 6: real benefit to a few players. But that probably poses

585
00:31:16,453 --> 00:31:18,853
Speaker 6: the question then what happens to all the other players

586
00:31:18,893 --> 00:31:20,813
Speaker 6: and the young players on the domestic circuit who aren't

587
00:31:20,853 --> 00:31:22,453
Speaker 6: quite good enough to make a big batch side you.

588
00:31:23,173 --> 00:31:28,173
Speaker 2: Some fair points made thereby Peter Fulton an interesting view

589
00:31:28,413 --> 00:31:32,773
Speaker 2: on the T twenty proposal for New Zealand. He favors

590
00:31:32,853 --> 00:31:38,373
Speaker 2: the New Zealand competition rather than a and as he says,

591
00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:40,733
Speaker 2: many of the players favor as well, rather than being

592
00:31:40,813 --> 00:31:43,413
Speaker 2: part of the BBL. Or do you make of all that?

593
00:31:44,333 --> 00:31:47,093
Speaker 3: Maybe there's more money involved for the players under the

594
00:31:47,533 --> 00:31:52,573
Speaker 3: local one because of cash from overseas. For all concerned,

595
00:31:53,933 --> 00:31:56,293
Speaker 3: self interest is a big motivator and these sorts of

596
00:31:56,373 --> 00:31:57,333
Speaker 3: things I find.

597
00:32:01,133 --> 00:32:05,213
Speaker 2: That often prompts people to make certain decisions. I'm sure,

598
00:32:07,573 --> 00:32:09,333
Speaker 2: and it's it's so we'll have to wait and see,

599
00:32:09,373 --> 00:32:12,293
Speaker 2: I guess Jerry, won't we because we just don't know

600
00:32:12,373 --> 00:32:14,493
Speaker 2: where they're going. They're having a lot of talks, but

601
00:32:14,613 --> 00:32:15,773
Speaker 2: nothing seems to be emerging.

602
00:32:16,973 --> 00:32:21,213
Speaker 5: Yeah, we just don't know Wadd's I've tended to favor

603
00:32:21,293 --> 00:32:26,453
Speaker 5: the BBL because from the players perspective, yes, it would

604
00:32:26,533 --> 00:32:31,853
Speaker 5: take away a few players, but I think it gives

605
00:32:31,893 --> 00:32:34,893
Speaker 5: a pathway for those decent news And if I was

606
00:32:34,933 --> 00:32:38,453
Speaker 5: a player and I was playing T twenty cricket, I'd

607
00:32:38,493 --> 00:32:40,773
Speaker 5: be very keen to try and get into that New

608
00:32:40,853 --> 00:32:42,813
Speaker 5: Zealand side if it was over in the BBL.

609
00:32:43,333 --> 00:32:45,133
Speaker 4: It gives me a way to get there.

610
00:32:45,173 --> 00:32:48,693
Speaker 5: And the quality and the crowds and all the things

611
00:32:48,773 --> 00:32:52,613
Speaker 5: we've spoken about, the practice facilities, the sides of the ground,

612
00:32:52,733 --> 00:32:53,573
Speaker 5: the pressure on you.

613
00:32:54,293 --> 00:32:57,493
Speaker 4: It can only bring out the best in you as a.

614
00:32:57,573 --> 00:33:01,373
Speaker 5: Player, more so than doing it because we're not going

615
00:33:01,453 --> 00:33:05,253
Speaker 5: to get I know he may feel folks may feel

616
00:33:05,733 --> 00:33:11,373
Speaker 5: that it's going to bring New Zealand players, our black cats,

617
00:33:11,533 --> 00:33:12,773
Speaker 5: back into the T twenty.

618
00:33:12,933 --> 00:33:15,573
Speaker 4: I don't think it will. I think they'll.

619
00:33:15,373 --> 00:33:18,813
Speaker 5: Already stay outside. They're already there, aren't they. There are

620
00:33:18,853 --> 00:33:21,493
Speaker 5: four or five of them there at the Big Bash. Already.

621
00:33:21,933 --> 00:33:24,693
Speaker 4: There are lots going to the South African T twenty.

622
00:33:24,813 --> 00:33:27,693
Speaker 5: They go to the ILT twenty, which you're on at

623
00:33:27,733 --> 00:33:34,173
Speaker 5: the same time, all established competitions, all paying better than

624
00:33:34,213 --> 00:33:35,213
Speaker 5: they're getting here.

625
00:33:35,453 --> 00:33:39,533
Speaker 3: Picking up on your points here and what in my

626
00:33:39,693 --> 00:33:44,013
Speaker 3: reflection about self interest in so just before, I just

627
00:33:44,413 --> 00:33:49,413
Speaker 3: can't And I've heard it from people who've been seem

628
00:33:49,493 --> 00:33:52,293
Speaker 3: to be apparently quite heavily involved in the in the

629
00:33:52,973 --> 00:33:57,973
Speaker 3: T twenty game that no, no, the investors will be patient.

630
00:33:58,213 --> 00:34:00,253
Speaker 3: I don't always find that's the case. They'll be patient.

631
00:34:00,693 --> 00:34:05,373
Speaker 3: They give this example of the West Indian League, which

632
00:34:05,533 --> 00:34:08,013
Speaker 3: was lost making for a long period of time and

633
00:34:08,093 --> 00:34:10,853
Speaker 3: now apparently it's it's it's making money. I have no idea.

634
00:34:10,853 --> 00:34:13,213
Speaker 3: I just take them at their word, but I just

635
00:34:13,373 --> 00:34:16,973
Speaker 3: cannot see how when one looks at and perhaps we're

636
00:34:16,973 --> 00:34:20,253
Speaker 3: going to cover it later, we've got two very fine

637
00:34:20,293 --> 00:34:23,693
Speaker 3: games with four very very good sides, the best size

638
00:34:23,893 --> 00:34:27,133
Speaker 3: in our one day competitions at the base Rezoo in

639
00:34:27,253 --> 00:34:30,653
Speaker 3: lovely weather and no one's there. So when you want

640
00:34:30,693 --> 00:34:33,853
Speaker 3: to then roll out a significant and large and maybe

641
00:34:33,893 --> 00:34:37,013
Speaker 3: it's purely around TV and television rights, is what's driving

642
00:34:37,133 --> 00:34:41,293
Speaker 3: this on the domestic twenty twenty. Perhaps that's what it is,

643
00:34:41,413 --> 00:34:43,813
Speaker 3: But I just can't see it. I would have thought,

644
00:34:43,893 --> 00:34:47,773
Speaker 3: as you rightly say, Jarie, that pathway that's been that

645
00:34:48,013 --> 00:34:51,133
Speaker 3: is available and you're part of I think what looks

646
00:34:51,213 --> 00:34:54,213
Speaker 3: like a much better and more exciting competition in the

647
00:34:54,733 --> 00:34:59,173
Speaker 3: in the in the the Big Bash. And also, can

648
00:34:59,253 --> 00:35:00,413
Speaker 3: I just say it would mean a lot more of

649
00:35:00,453 --> 00:35:02,973
Speaker 3: our players are playing in Australia and that might be

650
00:35:03,013 --> 00:35:04,653
Speaker 3: a good thing that one day we might go over

651
00:35:04,693 --> 00:35:06,933
Speaker 3: there and beat them. Yeah, little things like that in

652
00:35:06,973 --> 00:35:08,933
Speaker 3: the back of my head. I just can not to

653
00:35:09,013 --> 00:35:12,453
Speaker 3: the life of me, and perhaps I'm just old guard.

654
00:35:12,573 --> 00:35:15,573
Speaker 3: I just can't see how one would get grounds that

655
00:35:15,653 --> 00:35:17,573
Speaker 3: are going to be in any way, shape or form

656
00:35:18,053 --> 00:35:22,333
Speaker 3: full of spectators And probably comes back to TV rights.

657
00:35:22,453 --> 00:35:24,493
Speaker 3: But are you going to get the players? Do you

658
00:35:24,533 --> 00:35:27,453
Speaker 3: know they were already committed? I just but but maybe

659
00:35:27,493 --> 00:35:29,013
Speaker 3: someone's going to fill in the gaps for me. So

660
00:35:29,293 --> 00:35:31,733
Speaker 3: that's that's that's my view. I'm where you are, Jerry

661
00:35:31,773 --> 00:35:33,053
Speaker 3: on this one very much.

662
00:35:34,293 --> 00:35:37,693
Speaker 4: What you went to the final line thinking on that

663
00:35:37,893 --> 00:35:44,173
Speaker 4: final day? Most has already mentioned the spectators. What what

664
00:35:44,413 --> 00:35:45,373
Speaker 4: was the story there?

665
00:35:46,533 --> 00:35:48,973
Speaker 2: There was no story because there were no spectators. Well

666
00:35:49,013 --> 00:35:50,213
Speaker 2: there were a couple and I.

667
00:35:50,413 --> 00:35:51,253
Speaker 4: Well that's a story.

668
00:35:51,773 --> 00:35:51,973
Speaker 2: Yeah.

669
00:35:52,693 --> 00:35:56,733
Speaker 5: This is this is the final of our od I competition,

670
00:35:57,533 --> 00:36:02,773
Speaker 5: probably the best format that New Zealand play. Now I

671
00:36:02,893 --> 00:36:05,973
Speaker 5: can understand them choosing Wellington. This seems to be a

672
00:36:06,053 --> 00:36:08,893
Speaker 5: kind of a current way of these tournaments where all

673
00:36:09,013 --> 00:36:10,573
Speaker 5: the teams go to one venue.

674
00:36:11,133 --> 00:36:12,893
Speaker 4: I guess it's on the basis of cost.

675
00:36:13,413 --> 00:36:16,533
Speaker 5: And it could have been Wellington men as well, but

676
00:36:16,653 --> 00:36:20,053
Speaker 5: they were knocked out in the Illuminator, weren't they It

677
00:36:20,293 --> 00:36:24,453
Speaker 5: left It left the Wellington women there as well for

678
00:36:24,573 --> 00:36:28,613
Speaker 5: the final. But what are we talking guys? I didn't

679
00:36:28,653 --> 00:36:31,733
Speaker 5: watch it, I'm sorry, but what are we talking about?

680
00:36:32,093 --> 00:36:35,653
Speaker 5: Two three hundred people maximum for these for this final

681
00:36:35,693 --> 00:36:36,773
Speaker 5: of our main format.

682
00:36:37,453 --> 00:36:39,693
Speaker 2: Pretty much the thing about it, of course, and it's

683
00:36:39,933 --> 00:36:42,493
Speaker 2: to my mind it's thoroughly disappointing. It's free to get in,

684
00:36:42,973 --> 00:36:46,973
Speaker 2: so it doesn't cost anybody anything free, it's free, you

685
00:36:47,053 --> 00:36:49,933
Speaker 2: get in for nothing. You get the facilities at the ground,

686
00:36:49,973 --> 00:36:51,493
Speaker 2: you can buy a beer, you can have a feed.

687
00:36:51,613 --> 00:36:56,333
Speaker 2: But no one went along, and because they don't seem

688
00:36:56,373 --> 00:37:00,253
Speaker 2: to want to promote it at ENNGCA level, there was

689
00:37:00,333 --> 00:37:02,933
Speaker 2: no real promotion. People were saying, oh, I didn't know

690
00:37:03,053 --> 00:37:06,773
Speaker 2: it was on, and I can fully understand what they're saying,

691
00:37:06,853 --> 00:37:09,333
Speaker 2: but as you say, it's it's the final of our

692
00:37:09,453 --> 00:37:13,493
Speaker 2: premiere fifty over competition for both men and women. The

693
00:37:13,733 --> 00:37:18,293
Speaker 2: four best teams were there. Wellington Women versus Northern Districts

694
00:37:18,653 --> 00:37:23,213
Speaker 2: thoroughly deserved winners. And they also had Central Districts and

695
00:37:23,333 --> 00:37:27,093
Speaker 2: Canterbury playing a three hundred side game which was outstanding.

696
00:37:27,413 --> 00:37:30,453
Speaker 2: But to my mind the umpiring was not up to

697
00:37:30,533 --> 00:37:32,093
Speaker 2: the sort of standard. I think they should have the

698
00:37:32,213 --> 00:37:36,693
Speaker 2: best umpires there, they should have television, they should have drs.

699
00:37:37,333 --> 00:37:39,693
Speaker 2: And don't tell me it's the cost, because they can

700
00:37:39,773 --> 00:37:42,453
Speaker 2: waste money on a scoring system that no one ever

701
00:37:42,573 --> 00:37:48,133
Speaker 2: wanted to be part of to get megabucks spent on it.

702
00:37:48,973 --> 00:37:52,693
Speaker 2: I just find that it's downplaying the quality of our

703
00:37:52,733 --> 00:37:57,293
Speaker 2: premier tournament. And you know that's my bouncer. I've just

704
00:37:57,373 --> 00:37:58,573
Speaker 2: delivered off a long run?

705
00:38:00,173 --> 00:38:00,293
Speaker 5: Was it?

706
00:38:00,933 --> 00:38:04,373
Speaker 4: Wadd's? Was the whole day good? Was it well run?

707
00:38:04,413 --> 00:38:09,613
Speaker 4: Because it's not run by the Wellington you know places.

708
00:38:09,693 --> 00:38:12,173
Speaker 5: I mean it's running really by New Zealand Cricket. That

709
00:38:12,333 --> 00:38:14,253
Speaker 5: that competition and that day.

710
00:38:14,693 --> 00:38:17,533
Speaker 2: It's their responsibility, but they use Wellington of course to

711
00:38:18,093 --> 00:38:21,693
Speaker 2: do the work around the ground and everything.

712
00:38:21,893 --> 00:38:22,093
Speaker 3: Yeah.

713
00:38:22,493 --> 00:38:25,573
Speaker 2: Right, In terms of getting people on the park, the

714
00:38:25,693 --> 00:38:28,813
Speaker 2: wather was as good as you can get in Wellington,

715
00:38:28,893 --> 00:38:31,293
Speaker 2: bearing in mind a little bit of wind that came

716
00:38:31,373 --> 00:38:33,813
Speaker 2: in at odd times for that comes wherever you go.

717
00:38:34,413 --> 00:38:38,253
Speaker 2: But I just you know, to my mind that if

718
00:38:38,493 --> 00:38:42,533
Speaker 2: they should have the same final for the fifty over

719
00:38:42,613 --> 00:38:45,253
Speaker 2: competition as they had for their Super Smash which was

720
00:38:45,333 --> 00:38:49,533
Speaker 2: at Hagley Oval, And to me, I think it's underplaying

721
00:38:50,253 --> 00:38:54,973
Speaker 2: the club and domestic finals that they have and the

722
00:38:55,053 --> 00:38:56,053
Speaker 2: players deserve better.

723
00:38:56,133 --> 00:39:01,813
Speaker 5: To my mind, sounds like just just the families turned

724
00:39:01,893 --> 00:39:04,613
Speaker 5: up from the from the from the teams.

725
00:39:06,093 --> 00:39:09,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was it good community with the crowd.

726
00:39:09,373 --> 00:39:12,573
Speaker 5: Was that did you sit in the heavily congested one

727
00:39:12,653 --> 00:39:17,133
Speaker 5: bay of seats that the people that I was all.

728
00:39:17,013 --> 00:39:22,573
Speaker 2: Met for coffee was no, I've got a coffee when

729
00:39:22,613 --> 00:39:24,853
Speaker 2: I wanted one. I was able to get a quiet

730
00:39:24,973 --> 00:39:27,533
Speaker 2: beer on the side as well. But then they presented

731
00:39:27,573 --> 00:39:30,133
Speaker 2: the prizes and the microphone didn't work in terms of

732
00:39:30,613 --> 00:39:34,213
Speaker 2: the loud speaker system, so no one could hear a

733
00:39:34,293 --> 00:39:38,213
Speaker 2: young lady who has a very quiet voice speaking at

734
00:39:38,253 --> 00:39:41,693
Speaker 2: the end about her team's performance. I mean, all those

735
00:39:41,733 --> 00:39:45,253
Speaker 2: sorts of things to me are totally amateurish.

736
00:39:46,333 --> 00:39:49,933
Speaker 4: On the front foot with Waddle and Cody on a.

737
00:39:49,973 --> 00:39:55,293
Speaker 2: Civil subject, a short form credit one hundred sixty seven

738
00:39:55,453 --> 00:39:57,973
Speaker 2: players from Pakistan are among those who have registered for

739
00:39:58,093 --> 00:40:01,733
Speaker 2: next month's one hundred auction, though England Test captain Ben

740
00:40:01,813 --> 00:40:05,973
Speaker 2: Stokes hasn't signed up. Pakistan players are not being considered

741
00:40:06,053 --> 00:40:09,973
Speaker 2: by four Indian in side in the auction that comes

742
00:40:10,053 --> 00:40:12,133
Speaker 2: up on the eleventh and twelfth of March. Michael Vaughan

743
00:40:12,173 --> 00:40:16,133
Speaker 2: says England has to act fast because omitting players based

744
00:40:16,133 --> 00:40:19,213
Speaker 2: on their nationality shouldn't be allowed to happen in Harry Brook,

745
00:40:19,613 --> 00:40:24,893
Speaker 2: who is a part of an Indian owned side, the

746
00:40:25,253 --> 00:40:28,653
Speaker 2: Sunrises or the Superchargers as are known, says it would

747
00:40:28,653 --> 00:40:32,293
Speaker 2: be a shame if they're not considered once again. Jerry,

748
00:40:32,373 --> 00:40:38,733
Speaker 2: it's a situation of politics over sport, isn't it.

749
00:40:39,293 --> 00:40:44,253
Speaker 5: Well, it's certainly pretty much at the center of what

750
00:40:44,373 --> 00:40:49,053
Speaker 5: we're about to discuss. The ECB have got themselves in

751
00:40:49,133 --> 00:40:53,853
Speaker 5: quite a tricky position by inviting the Indian owners and

752
00:40:54,013 --> 00:40:57,973
Speaker 5: the money that they have in to the hundred and

753
00:40:58,333 --> 00:41:02,133
Speaker 5: having sold summer at the best time when you could

754
00:41:02,133 --> 00:41:06,893
Speaker 5: actually play test cricket. It's a pretty open secret that

755
00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:14,253
Speaker 5: the Indian owners haven't in the past invited Pakistani players

756
00:41:14,293 --> 00:41:19,093
Speaker 5: to play in their sides. Of course, last year in

757
00:41:19,213 --> 00:41:22,653
Speaker 5: the dwasim the Pakistani played for the Northern Superchargers, which

758
00:41:22,733 --> 00:41:24,893
Speaker 5: is one of the teams that has been bought by

759
00:41:24,933 --> 00:41:28,213
Speaker 5: the Indian owners. They're now called Leads Sunrises, I think.

760
00:41:28,773 --> 00:41:32,293
Speaker 5: But look, the patterns are there for people to see

761
00:41:33,013 --> 00:41:37,333
Speaker 5: if you go through two or three competitions, and we

762
00:41:37,453 --> 00:41:40,253
Speaker 5: all know that the Indian owners have moved around the world.

763
00:41:40,653 --> 00:41:44,933
Speaker 5: They've moved beyond India itself. SA twenty all six teams

764
00:41:44,973 --> 00:41:49,493
Speaker 5: are owned by Indian owners. No Pakistanian in four years,

765
00:41:50,093 --> 00:41:54,173
Speaker 5: six teams in the ILT twenty in Dubai, six teams,

766
00:41:54,533 --> 00:41:59,253
Speaker 5: no Pakistan players. CPL has three teams owned by Indian owners,

767
00:41:59,613 --> 00:42:01,693
Speaker 5: the one hundred, this one has four teams. You just

768
00:42:01,773 --> 00:42:05,173
Speaker 5: told us that the MLC has four teams as well.

769
00:42:05,693 --> 00:42:09,093
Speaker 5: So the consume that the e c B who have

770
00:42:09,253 --> 00:42:13,213
Speaker 5: made deals with these Indian owners who have purchased the

771
00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:16,653
Speaker 5: team's forty nine percent or more, are now in the

772
00:42:16,733 --> 00:42:22,453
Speaker 5: position where they could be held accountable on hostage outside

773
00:42:23,133 --> 00:42:27,293
Speaker 5: you know their influences, and it's going to be very

774
00:42:27,413 --> 00:42:32,133
Speaker 5: difficult to prove those owners who have influence in the

775
00:42:32,213 --> 00:42:36,853
Speaker 5: squad selection that they are entitled to select who what

776
00:42:37,053 --> 00:42:40,453
Speaker 5: they want, can't they They'll always prove that and say no, no, no,

777
00:42:40,533 --> 00:42:44,093
Speaker 5: it was a cricket matter. It's well nigh impossible to

778
00:42:44,573 --> 00:42:47,733
Speaker 5: nail them down. We wanted that tall right hand who

779
00:42:47,813 --> 00:42:51,253
Speaker 5: fields slip and can back up keeper. We want the

780
00:42:51,333 --> 00:42:53,773
Speaker 5: left arm quick who can hit. You know, you can

781
00:42:53,853 --> 00:42:59,693
Speaker 5: give all sorts of reasons to exclude the Pakistan players.

782
00:42:59,733 --> 00:43:03,893
Speaker 5: And I think it's actually I think from a it's illegal.

783
00:43:03,973 --> 00:43:06,053
Speaker 5: From the perspective of employment law.

784
00:43:08,853 --> 00:43:10,453
Speaker 3: It's hard to think that there wouldn't be a law

785
00:43:10,573 --> 00:43:15,493
Speaker 3: in the UK which says that you you can't exclude

786
00:43:15,613 --> 00:43:19,093
Speaker 3: people because you've got freedom of movement. I mean there

787
00:43:19,173 --> 00:43:22,213
Speaker 3: was in football back in the nineties there was a

788
00:43:22,253 --> 00:43:25,053
Speaker 3: thing called the Bossman Ruling which which came into play,

789
00:43:25,093 --> 00:43:28,133
Speaker 3: which allowed freedom of movement and such like, and and

790
00:43:28,373 --> 00:43:32,213
Speaker 3: and and I cannot think that you know, you could

791
00:43:32,213 --> 00:43:35,773
Speaker 3: apply to the European Rights Human Rights Commissioned because you're

792
00:43:35,853 --> 00:43:39,053
Speaker 3: you're your ability to earn earn an income and all

793
00:43:39,093 --> 00:43:41,813
Speaker 3: those sorts of opportunities. But you're But it comes back

794
00:43:41,853 --> 00:43:44,733
Speaker 3: to the fact, as you say, Jerry, hey, I'm I'm

795
00:43:44,813 --> 00:43:48,173
Speaker 3: the owner of this and it's my capital and other

796
00:43:48,253 --> 00:43:50,613
Speaker 3: side who plays, Because are you going to tell me

797
00:43:50,693 --> 00:43:56,693
Speaker 3: you can't do that? Surely the ECB must have known

798
00:43:56,813 --> 00:43:58,973
Speaker 3: that was a possibility. I mean, no one would be

799
00:43:59,053 --> 00:44:01,933
Speaker 3: that that that naive, would they? But they have been

800
00:44:01,973 --> 00:44:05,293
Speaker 3: blinded by the cash and the capital one things.

801
00:44:06,773 --> 00:44:07,293
Speaker 4: Yep they have.

802
00:44:08,573 --> 00:44:13,093
Speaker 5: It's the same with Azim Rafique Moose. He was from

803
00:44:13,213 --> 00:44:19,453
Speaker 5: Yorkshire and off spinner and you know he charged institutional

804
00:44:19,573 --> 00:44:23,853
Speaker 5: racism and bullying at Yorkshire was set. It was you know,

805
00:44:24,093 --> 00:44:28,293
Speaker 5: the ECB held an inquiry, Six players and coaches were sanctioned.

806
00:44:29,453 --> 00:44:33,693
Speaker 5: The Yorkshire senior executives resigned. The Yorkshire were banned from

807
00:44:33,773 --> 00:44:37,213
Speaker 5: having an international matches there for a while. So they're

808
00:44:37,373 --> 00:44:41,853
Speaker 5: very much you know, they have clear anti discrimination policies

809
00:44:41,933 --> 00:44:45,173
Speaker 5: in place. They've sent emails to all the teams. But

810
00:44:45,253 --> 00:44:47,613
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, they won't be able to prove it.

811
00:44:48,213 --> 00:44:49,093
Speaker 3: And look.

812
00:44:51,013 --> 00:44:54,813
Speaker 5: To me, Cricket's a game where you're supposed it's supposed

813
00:44:54,853 --> 00:44:56,533
Speaker 5: to be something to bring people together.

814
00:44:56,693 --> 00:44:59,853
Speaker 4: Isn't it not separate them, not to keep them apart.

815
00:45:00,413 --> 00:45:03,013
Speaker 5: It's something that's it's one of the best things about

816
00:45:03,053 --> 00:45:05,733
Speaker 5: it that you connect with people and you combine people

817
00:45:05,813 --> 00:45:06,973
Speaker 5: and you knit people together.

818
00:45:07,053 --> 00:45:08,053
Speaker 4: You don't divide them.

819
00:45:08,693 --> 00:45:15,653
Speaker 5: And the easyb chant and Lord this loudly across the UK.

820
00:45:16,413 --> 00:45:18,493
Speaker 5: I mean, if you go back and you see players

821
00:45:18,573 --> 00:45:22,293
Speaker 5: like Wakar and Saklain and as a mum mood, they've

822
00:45:22,413 --> 00:45:27,693
Speaker 5: all played, they've all played in the county Championship and

823
00:45:27,813 --> 00:45:30,893
Speaker 5: it won't be a good look for the ECB, whether

824
00:45:30,933 --> 00:45:35,893
Speaker 5: it's all inclusive cluit a policy, if these sides, despite

825
00:45:35,973 --> 00:45:39,173
Speaker 5: all the protestation of innocence and so on, that no

826
00:45:39,413 --> 00:45:42,933
Speaker 5: Pakistani players selected for any of those three.

827
00:45:42,893 --> 00:45:43,693
Speaker 4: Or four sides.

828
00:45:44,333 --> 00:45:47,733
Speaker 5: The wider group of England supporters who don't like they

829
00:45:47,853 --> 00:45:50,853
Speaker 5: in fact, they hate this one hundred competition as a

830
00:45:50,933 --> 00:45:54,693
Speaker 5: format and they hate it using up August as the

831
00:45:54,773 --> 00:45:58,413
Speaker 5: best part of summer for some frivolous little sixteen point

832
00:45:58,533 --> 00:46:04,853
Speaker 5: four over game called one hundred, you know, for a proper, serious,

833
00:46:04,973 --> 00:46:07,533
Speaker 5: sensible cricket like those called tests.

834
00:46:08,893 --> 00:46:11,933
Speaker 2: Is there a danger that this situation could develop in

835
00:46:11,973 --> 00:46:15,373
Speaker 2: New Zealand if there is a New Zealand T twenty

836
00:46:15,693 --> 00:46:21,613
Speaker 2: they're looking for financial backing. Will the Indians put money

837
00:46:21,773 --> 00:46:25,013
Speaker 2: into sides in a competition here? Will they put money

838
00:46:25,053 --> 00:46:28,213
Speaker 2: into the BBL in Australia? And will they apply the

839
00:46:28,373 --> 00:46:32,653
Speaker 2: same issues to teams chosen here? If they want to

840
00:46:32,653 --> 00:46:36,493
Speaker 2: put Pakistan players in New Zealand or people of Pakistan origin.

841
00:46:38,093 --> 00:46:40,453
Speaker 3: You can see the template being rolled out, can't you

842
00:46:40,733 --> 00:46:45,373
Speaker 3: around the world. So if that were to be the case,

843
00:46:46,373 --> 00:46:50,333
Speaker 3: you'd be You'd be You'd be kidding yourself if you

844
00:46:50,373 --> 00:46:52,893
Speaker 3: didn't think that that wasn't going to play out, if

845
00:46:53,053 --> 00:46:55,053
Speaker 3: there was such a competition in New Zealand to be

846
00:46:55,133 --> 00:46:59,853
Speaker 3: here and yeah, at the cost of the Pakistani plays.

847
00:47:00,293 --> 00:47:02,973
Speaker 3: The question that I would have, Jerry, is if I

848
00:47:03,493 --> 00:47:08,693
Speaker 3: am a person of in saying living in brad and

849
00:47:08,773 --> 00:47:11,253
Speaker 3: I'm a good cricketer, and i am a person of

850
00:47:11,933 --> 00:47:18,933
Speaker 3: Pakistani heritage, but I'm actually a British citizen, how could

851
00:47:18,933 --> 00:47:21,813
Speaker 3: they just how could they exclude me? Could they exclude me?

852
00:47:22,613 --> 00:47:25,333
Speaker 3: If you follow what I'm saying, I'm my parents are

853
00:47:25,373 --> 00:47:27,893
Speaker 3: Pakistani and their immigrants. But there are a lot of

854
00:47:27,933 --> 00:47:32,093
Speaker 3: people in Yorkshire in particular in other places who are

855
00:47:33,093 --> 00:47:37,173
Speaker 3: dinky dye born and bred in the UK. Would it

856
00:47:37,493 --> 00:47:41,293
Speaker 3: would do you think that the the distinctions drawn would

857
00:47:41,333 --> 00:47:43,813
Speaker 3: would play down to that because they wouldn't be able

858
00:47:43,813 --> 00:47:47,293
Speaker 3: to exclude a British citizen. Would they.

859
00:47:48,893 --> 00:47:53,013
Speaker 5: A short answer, I don't know, but I would suspect

860
00:47:53,773 --> 00:47:56,973
Speaker 5: that they would. The owners would come under pressure political

861
00:47:57,093 --> 00:48:02,853
Speaker 5: pressure from the BCCI and others when they saw a

862
00:48:02,973 --> 00:48:07,533
Speaker 5: Pakistani player who looked like a Pakistani player out playing

863
00:48:07,613 --> 00:48:11,533
Speaker 5: in those teams. That's just a guess total guests from me,

864
00:48:12,013 --> 00:48:15,533
Speaker 5: and it is only speculation. But I would say from

865
00:48:15,573 --> 00:48:17,933
Speaker 5: here wants to answer your question. You won't see any

866
00:48:18,013 --> 00:48:21,013
Speaker 5: Indians because they are not allowed to go and play

867
00:48:21,053 --> 00:48:25,573
Speaker 5: another leagues. They can only be eligible for the IPL.

868
00:48:25,973 --> 00:48:29,133
Speaker 5: There will be no Pakistanis. I wouldn't have thought from

869
00:48:29,173 --> 00:48:31,853
Speaker 5: what we've seen. They don't allow them in South Africa,

870
00:48:32,173 --> 00:48:34,293
Speaker 5: they don't allow them in to buy, they don't allow

871
00:48:34,333 --> 00:48:37,213
Speaker 5: them in the CPL. Will they allow them in England.

872
00:48:37,253 --> 00:48:39,853
Speaker 5: We don't wait, and we'll wait and see. There'll be

873
00:48:39,933 --> 00:48:43,413
Speaker 5: no Pakistanis. There'll be no Bangla dishes probably either.

874
00:48:44,973 --> 00:48:50,053
Speaker 3: Well, so yeah, it'spot on Jerry. Yeah, yeah, you haven't

875
00:48:50,093 --> 00:48:52,373
Speaker 3: included you abungl the dishes.

876
00:48:52,453 --> 00:48:52,613
Speaker 7: Yes.

877
00:48:53,853 --> 00:48:56,813
Speaker 3: Is it Allentenna consequences or what we could have foreseen?

878
00:48:57,173 --> 00:49:00,333
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it's probably situation.

879
00:49:01,133 --> 00:49:03,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably a bit of both. We'll probably know the

880
00:49:03,893 --> 00:49:06,173
Speaker 2: answer on the eleventh or twelfth of March when the

881
00:49:06,893 --> 00:49:09,453
Speaker 2: auction goes up for players one hundred and you'll be

882
00:49:09,493 --> 00:49:11,893
Speaker 2: looking forward to that, Jerry, I know how much you

883
00:49:12,053 --> 00:49:16,493
Speaker 2: enjoy thee hundred and you'll be watching closely.

884
00:49:16,893 --> 00:49:21,253
Speaker 5: Point sixteen point four please, yeah, yeah, the sixteen point four.

885
00:49:22,253 --> 00:49:25,213
Speaker 2: Well, never bind, Let's have twenty over a side. We've

886
00:49:25,253 --> 00:49:28,093
Speaker 2: got England coming up, We've got semi finals. I see

887
00:49:28,173 --> 00:49:31,853
Speaker 2: New Zealand playing in both because they've got to play

888
00:49:31,933 --> 00:49:35,373
Speaker 2: England and I'm sure that they will qualify win or

889
00:49:35,493 --> 00:49:38,573
Speaker 2: lose against England. That's the way I see it at

890
00:49:38,613 --> 00:49:40,333
Speaker 2: the moment. You'll be watching in the middle of the night,

891
00:49:40,413 --> 00:49:43,213
Speaker 2: of course, moosas as you do most of the time.

892
00:49:43,893 --> 00:49:49,613
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm absolutely yeah, revetted and pinned. Yeah, but

893
00:49:49,853 --> 00:49:52,493
Speaker 3: I can see you looking at you say that this

894
00:49:52,613 --> 00:49:56,533
Speaker 3: has become I've actually got really initiate. I wasn't so

895
00:49:56,653 --> 00:49:59,733
Speaker 3: sure about this another twenty twenty World Cup. Actually, I'm

896
00:49:59,773 --> 00:50:03,013
Speaker 3: finding this quite interesting because of the Tier two teams

897
00:50:03,013 --> 00:50:06,133
Speaker 3: which played pretty well, were competitive, great for the opportunities

898
00:50:06,173 --> 00:50:09,733
Speaker 3: for them, and now we're in an interesting face. So

899
00:50:09,893 --> 00:50:12,013
Speaker 3: there's there's a lot playing on this. It's you know,

900
00:50:12,093 --> 00:50:15,133
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm into it surprisingly.

901
00:50:15,733 --> 00:50:17,453
Speaker 5: As well as it's a bit of as long as

902
00:50:17,453 --> 00:50:20,893
Speaker 5: there's a bit of jeopardy I like the fact that

903
00:50:20,973 --> 00:50:24,773
Speaker 5: they are different conditions. I've always thought that the condition

904
00:50:24,893 --> 00:50:28,173
Speaker 5: should determine things, and it is certainly is in you know,

905
00:50:29,213 --> 00:50:32,813
Speaker 5: differently in India and in and in Sri Lanka. A

906
00:50:32,893 --> 00:50:36,733
Speaker 5: bit more batsmanship required in Sri Lanka running ones, running

907
00:50:36,773 --> 00:50:38,533
Speaker 5: two's hard because of the bigger ground.

908
00:50:38,973 --> 00:50:39,773
Speaker 4: Find gaps.

909
00:50:40,413 --> 00:50:42,733
Speaker 5: Make sure you don't have many dot ball all that stuff,

910
00:50:42,893 --> 00:50:44,373
Speaker 5: lower the dot ball percentage.

911
00:50:44,973 --> 00:50:46,293
Speaker 4: So I get, I get.

912
00:50:46,653 --> 00:50:48,613
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't watch in the middle of

913
00:50:48,613 --> 00:50:50,573
Speaker 5: the night fellas. Sorry, the glue is run out in

914
00:50:50,653 --> 00:50:53,533
Speaker 5: the seat, and so I don't. I don't sit there

915
00:50:53,573 --> 00:50:54,133
Speaker 5: any longer.

916
00:50:54,573 --> 00:50:58,213
Speaker 2: Your bed in the lounge, okay, have you got your

917
00:50:58,253 --> 00:50:58,893
Speaker 2: bed in the lounge?

918
00:50:58,933 --> 00:51:02,173
Speaker 4: Well you move, you know, you move your TV into

919
00:51:02,213 --> 00:51:02,733
Speaker 4: the bedroom.

920
00:51:02,813 --> 00:51:03,653
Speaker 3: I know what you do.

921
00:51:04,053 --> 00:51:05,173
Speaker 4: That's that's easy.

922
00:51:07,253 --> 00:51:11,253
Speaker 5: Then taking well done on the third grandchild, wards, I'm

923
00:51:11,293 --> 00:51:12,133
Speaker 5: sure you had a lot.

924
00:51:12,093 --> 00:51:12,573
Speaker 7: To do with it.

925
00:51:13,253 --> 00:51:16,533
Speaker 2: Well, I had. I had some passing interest a few

926
00:51:16,613 --> 00:51:21,573
Speaker 2: years back. It's it's nice three grandsons now answered, I've

927
00:51:21,613 --> 00:51:24,653
Speaker 2: got all the top three. Yeah, I've got a front

928
00:51:24,733 --> 00:51:26,853
Speaker 2: row for the All Blacks or the first three batsmen

929
00:51:27,333 --> 00:51:30,893
Speaker 2: for the black Caps, one way or the other. All right, guys,

930
00:51:31,213 --> 00:51:35,013
Speaker 2: Thanks very much for your time again, and talk again

931
00:51:35,093 --> 00:51:37,573
Speaker 2: after the semi final.

932
00:51:38,653 --> 00:51:40,733
Speaker 4: YEA, well, let's hope, so cheers me in.

933
00:51:44,773 --> 00:51:45,173
Speaker 2: Summer.

934
00:51:51,973 --> 00:51:53,373
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935
00:51:53,693 --> 00:51:56,893
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936
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