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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story gooring.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupacy on drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks that'd.

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Speaker 2: Be Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 2: Israel's cabinet has approved taking full control of GAZA. Will

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Speaker 2: get you the latest from the Middle East, OT on

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Speaker 2: why those boot camps are a success they say, and

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Speaker 2: Ruth Richardson on the Treasury report on what we're still spending.

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Speaker 3: Heather dupericy Ellen.

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Speaker 4: So, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: What's worse the fact that willow Gen Prime is a lazy,

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Speaker 2: disint and disinterested waste of space and Labour's team, or

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Speaker 2: the fact that Labour's been busted almost lying about this.

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Speaker 2: So let me get you across what happened. You can

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Speaker 2: decide for yourself. In March, willow Gen Prime took over

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Speaker 2: the Labour Party education portfolio from jan Tinetti and her

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Speaker 2: National Party counterpart Erica Stanford, sent her a text to

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Speaker 2: SA congrats and also need to get you up to

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Speaker 2: speed with the NCEEA change process. Would be good if

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Speaker 2: we could meet first and I can run you through

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Speaker 2: where we're at the Policy Advisory Group of principals who

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Speaker 2: are working on the details. You can have access to

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Speaker 2: them as well as my officials and also ENDZQA. Willo

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Speaker 2: Jane does not bother to reply. Two months later, in May,

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Speaker 2: Erica's offer sends an email saying, basically, having heard from

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Speaker 2: Willow Jane, would like to ensure cross party engagement can continue.

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Speaker 2: Can we set up a meeting? Willow Gene doesn't bother

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Speaker 2: to reply. A month later, in mid June, Erica personally

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Speaker 2: Next month July, Erica then goes up a level and

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Speaker 2: writes to Chippy. He doesn't reply either, but then the

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Speaker 2: next day Willowjene finally does reply, and she says she

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Speaker 2: declines your invitation. Fast forward now to the twenty fifth

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Speaker 2: of July, and suddenly Willow Gene writes to Erica wanting

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Speaker 2: to meet because she's read in the Herald that the

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Speaker 2: NCEEA changes are coming soon. Erica writes back basically says

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Speaker 2: made the decisions. Chippy meanwhile complains publicly that the government

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Speaker 2: Jene on the nceea changes. So tell me now, having

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Speaker 2: heard that, what do you think is worse that Willow

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Speaker 2: Jane can't be bothered doing her job properly, or that

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Speaker 2: Chippy has an amazing ability to lie with a smile.

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Speaker 2: Now here are the key learnings from this incident. Willow

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Speaker 2: jen is not a serious, hard working or clever person

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Speaker 2: and it is not ready to be a minister. Chris

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Speaker 2: Hipkins is not as honest as his lovely smiling face

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Speaker 2: would make you think. Labor is thin on the ground

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Speaker 2: for talent if Willow Gene Prime is number eight in

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Speaker 2: their party, and don't mess with Erica because she will

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Speaker 2: pull a beautiful hit job on you, which is exactly

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Speaker 2: what's happened here. But also labor are just rude and unprofessional.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't kill you to reply to a message.

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Speaker 3: Heaver Duplicy Allen.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen nineteen is the text number. Standard text fees apply

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Speaker 2: the police now. The police are inviting public feedback on

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Speaker 2: that proposed restructure of the force in Canterbury. Federated Farmers,

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Speaker 2: the Police Association, local Canterbury MPs and communities have all

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Speaker 2: spoken out against this. This is the restructure that would

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Speaker 2: involve reducing the number of police officers permanently stationed in

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Speaker 2: some rural communities. After a week of backlash, the cops

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Speaker 2: have finally made the restructured proposal public and have invited

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Speaker 2: people to submit feedback on it over the next ten days.

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Speaker 2: Superintendent Tony Hill is Police Canterbury District Commander. Hey, Tony, Hi,

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Speaker 2: how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? Are you guys prepared to change your mind

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 6: We've said that right from the start. Is there's parts

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Speaker 6: of this that we've got wrong. We're open to that.

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Speaker 6: You know, we put a lot of work into this

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you have if you if you leave things

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Speaker 2: the way they are, though, you are going to need

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Speaker 7: Well, it's not so much about that.

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Speaker 6: It's the fact that this is that we've got parts

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the places that are growing at Ungi Order and Rolliston,

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Speaker 6: Now, I think this reflects actually what we're seeing is

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Speaker 6: And we want some of these roles to actually reflect

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Speaker 2: Tony, you're not answering my question like you're open to

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Speaker 2: changing your mind. You're basically just selling me on your proposal,

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Speaker 2: No, can I try ask those questions again? Okay, let's

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Speaker 5: Well, for a.

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Speaker 6: Majority of these roles, we've already got the people in

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Speaker 6: in some parts of it. But what I'm really confident

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if you can't get your proposal across the line,

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Speaker 2: are you simply going to leave the offices where they

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Speaker 2: are in the rural policing and they're just going to

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Speaker 6: Well, some of the parts of the proposal may need

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm still getting the vibes you guys are not

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Speaker 2: going to change your mind on this. Like I'm prepared

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Speaker 2: to take a bet with you right now. You push

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Speaker 6: I'll take you up on that bit, but I'd say

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Speaker 6: there's something in there that we go yeah, we've absolutely

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Speaker 2: What are we beating, Tony.

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Speaker 6: I'll buy you a coffee that sound Oh geezure.

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Speaker 2: Tight aren't you Okay, I'll take that now. The thing is,

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Speaker 2: can you can you realistically ignore what's going on with

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Speaker 2: say that you're basically just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it was an exaggeration, and part of

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Speaker 2: Why did you guys decide to release the proposal.

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Speaker 6: Today for that reason is that at the moment we're

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Speaker 6: dislike about it. I think actually it's important that we

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Speaker 2: Is it not because it was leaked this morning, because

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Speaker 2: internal proposal, and then you released yours at what one o'clock.

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Speaker 6: Well, it wasn't aware that you've got it, and look there.

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Speaker 2: Are but you'll know it's out there. Eight you will

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Speaker 2: know it's been leaked out there.

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Speaker 6: do from various places and the like. We're trying to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, Tony, I know you guys feel you'll be

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Speaker 2: feeling the heat on this, but you realize that you're

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Speaker 2: feeling the heat. Is the reason you're feeling it is

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Speaker 2: because people value your service and don't want to lose it,

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Speaker 6: Yes, and that was and that was evident from the

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Speaker 6: and it is evident that our services are valued. That's

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Speaker 6: the point where were trying to get across. Is that

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Speaker 6: that in a different way, all right.

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Speaker 2: Tony, thank you for your time. Appreciate it, mate, Tony

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Speaker 2: Hill Police, Canterbury District Commander. News is that almost a

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Speaker 2: fifth of the Reserve banks workforce could be cut. I

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Speaker 2: mean that sounds pretty alarming. I think if you just

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Speaker 2: for the Reserve Bank please. At last count, the Reserve

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Speaker 2: Bank employed six hundred and sixty people. Back when Jacinto

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Speaker 2: A quarter past.

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Speaker 2: Heather, how about inviting Willow Gene onto your program? She

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Speaker 2: might get back to you, well, do you know what,

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Speaker 2: actually we did invite her on Obviously, because would have

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Speaker 2: and fortunately they did in fact reply to us and declined.

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Speaker 2: So maybe they've learned their lesson. Eighteen past four good Sport.

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Speaker 2: Jason Pine Weekend Sport hosters with us at Piney. Hello, Heather, Okay,

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Speaker 2: so last week it was make or break for the Warriors?

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Speaker 2: Is it make or break for the Warriors again?

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Speaker 9: I feel like it is. I think Look, if they

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Speaker 9: were to lose to the Bulldogs tomorrow night, the fact

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Speaker 9: is they would almost certainly fall out of the top four.

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Speaker 9: Panthers are playing the Nights tonight, they should win that,

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Speaker 9: and the Sharks are playing the Dragons tomorrow they should

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Speaker 9: of the Warriors ahead of the Warriors game against the Bulldogs.

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Speaker 9: So they'd lose control of their own destiny, is what

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Speaker 9: I'm saying. At the moment, they're still in control of it.

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Speaker 9: They're in the four with five games to go, so

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Speaker 9: if they win all five, they're there. But if they

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Speaker 16: A good afternoon to you and all the beautiful folk

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Speaker 16: that Trump and Putin would meet. Came a suggestion from

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Speaker 16: the White House earlier today, US time, that that actually

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Speaker 16: wouldn't happen until Putin had met Zelensky, like they were

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Speaker 16: starting to put conditions around this thing. And then you

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Speaker 16: heard President Trump asked in the Oval Office a few

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Speaker 16: hours ago whether or not that was actually a condition

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Speaker 16: he saw, and he said, no, it's not. So it

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Speaker 16: is interesting from that perspective that he is seemingly trying

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Speaker 16: to drive this meeting as he wants to meet Putin.

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Speaker 16: He wants to see him face to face. He seens Lenski.

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Speaker 16: They had that infamous showdown in the Oval Office a

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Speaker 16: year or so ago, now earlier this year and feels

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Speaker 16: like a year ago, but it was earlier this year,

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Speaker 16: and then obviously at the Pope's funeral a few months

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Speaker 16: back too. So look, he is placing a lot of

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Speaker 16: importance around wanting to see Vladimir Putin. I think in reality,

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Speaker 16: trying to pull off a meeting of such high stakes

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Speaker 16: that such short notice is going to be problematic. Is

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Speaker 16: it actually going to happen? I mean, this is Donald Trump,

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Speaker 16: he could potentially pull anything off. But I think the

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Speaker 16: next few hours are going to tell whether this meeting

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Speaker 16: is actually going to happen. Within days as the Kremlin suggested,

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Speaker 16: and as the White House suggested, it could happen as

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Speaker 16: early as next week. But I think in reality Donald

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Speaker 16: Trump would want the optics of him sitting in the

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Speaker 16: room with the two of them. He would want to

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Speaker 16: make it look like he is the peacemaker. Already, the

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Speaker 16: White House is trying to claim that he's broken some

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Speaker 16: seven seats fires in the seven months or so six

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Speaker 16: and a half months he has been in office. So

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Speaker 16: he is really trying to drive himself as a peacemaker,

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Speaker 16: probably in a push for a Nobel Peace Prize. And

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Speaker 16: that might sound slightly off the cuff, but it is

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Speaker 16: genuinely something he has spoken about repeatedly. He has his

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Speaker 16: eyes very much firmly set on being seen as a

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Speaker 16: peacemaker president and wanting a trophy if you like, to

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Speaker 16: be able to go with it. But you've got to

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Speaker 16: look at the reality of pulling off this meeting in

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Speaker 16: such a short amount of time as to whether it's feasible.

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Speaker 16: The UAE has been suggested as a possible location. They

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Speaker 16: had that famous summit back in his first term when

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Speaker 16: he went against the CIA advice that Russia had tried

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Speaker 16: to influence the election. And said that he'd spoken with

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Speaker 16: Putin in that room and Putin deny it. So he

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Speaker 16: believes Putin. So the optics of this meeting are going

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Speaker 16: to be extraordinary if they happen. But you would imagine

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Speaker 16: if you were in Donald Trump's seat, you would want

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Speaker 16: the optics of him sharing a table with Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 16: on one end and Voladimir's Lenski on the other. And

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Speaker 16: right now Russia and Ukraine are essentially saying they're too

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Speaker 16: far apart for that summer to happen. But Donald Trump

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Speaker 16: said earlier today that wouldn't matter. He's happy to meet Putin. Now,

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Speaker 16: he's happy to see him. But what is it he's

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Speaker 16: going to get out of it. He's going to need

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Speaker 16: an outcome, And the outcome he's going to want is

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Speaker 16: Vladimir Putin agreeing to stop the war in Ukraine. Is

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Speaker 16: willing to do that? Well, everything up until now has

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Speaker 16: suggested that's not the case.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Quite.

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Speaker 2: How do you think Trump's going to react to this

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Speaker 2: news out of Israel?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, this is going to be a fascinating one for

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Speaker 16: him to address in the early hours. We yet to

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Speaker 16: see it him to respond to it. On truth social

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Speaker 16: It's now twenty twenty to one in the morning in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 16: We know Donald Trump stays up very late in the evening,

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Speaker 16: but were yet to see a response to him on that.

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Speaker 16: But we know that he is very close to Benuminetnyaho,

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Speaker 16: that he has had him at the White House on

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Speaker 16: multiple occasions, and he has said that he wants an

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Speaker 16: end to this conflict, this idea of Israel taking complete

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Speaker 16: control of Gaza and Gaza City. I mean wind the

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Speaker 16: clock back to when he effectively stood alongside benumin Netinnahu

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Speaker 16: and said he wanted us control of Gaza back in

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Speaker 16: probably February of this year, and said that essentially he

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Speaker 16: wanted to turn it into the Riviera of the Middle East.

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Speaker 16: The words that will go down in history were accompanied

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Speaker 16: by this sort of gushing ai video that he shared

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Speaker 16: on social media of what Gaza could look like turned

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Speaker 16: into some sort of resort city. Well, look at the

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Speaker 16: images that are coming out of there now and need

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Speaker 16: such a stark contrast. You've forgot thousands of people dared

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Speaker 16: according to the Palestinian Health Ministry, the Garza Health Ministry,

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Speaker 16: which yes he's run by Hamas. You've got claims of

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Speaker 16: starvation we're seeing the images coming out of Gaza of

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Speaker 16: the humanitarians suffering in place and claims that the food

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Speaker 16: cannot get in. What you're going to see, I think

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Speaker 16: from Donald Trump in the next twenty four hours is

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Speaker 16: going to be critical as to where he now sits

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Speaker 16: on this conflict. Is he firmly in Benuminetnyahu's pocket in

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Speaker 16: agreeing that this is a good idea in Israeli control

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Speaker 16: of Gaza City, or is he going to try and

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Speaker 16: find another alternative, Because again, as a peacemaker, he is

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Speaker 16: wanting to find a path to piece. He's wanting to

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Speaker 16: find an end of this conflict. But it is Benjamin

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Speaker 16: Netanyahu who is on the ground in the region driving

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Speaker 16: his situation forward, and as you said, in the last

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Speaker 16: few hours, he's been able to convince his cabinet that

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Speaker 16: a complete control of Gaza City is acceptable for the

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Speaker 16: Israeli government to take. Now, this is going to spark

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Speaker 16: a lot of anger in the region if it does

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Speaker 16: take place, because what you're going to see is a

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Speaker 16: call up of thousands of Israeli reservists, thousands upon thousands

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Speaker 16: of them, and the IDF, which are very very good

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Speaker 16: at sending out media video and images of what they

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Speaker 16: want the world to see. Is going to put out

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Speaker 16: the optics and again we're talking about optics here of

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Speaker 16: Israeli troops going into control Gaza City. This is exactly

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Speaker 16: the sort of scenario the Benjaminette na who wants. He

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Speaker 16: wasn't going to get it under Joe Biden or indeed

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Speaker 16: Kamala Harris if Kamala Harris was elected, because he would

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Speaker 16: not have had that support. But seemingly, seemingly in the

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Speaker 16: first six and a half months or so of Donald

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Speaker 16: Trump's presidency, he knows that he has the support of

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Speaker 16: the American President.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan, very good to talk to you, and thanks for

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Speaker 2: all of that insight. Jonathan Kearsley, US correspondent. As I said,

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Speaker 2: we're going to go to Israel very shortly after five

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Speaker 2: o'clock and get a take there about what is happening hither.

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Speaker 2: I reckon if we had three out of ten passing

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Speaker 2: the boot camps, then it is a great result, of course,

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Speaker 2: because remember we're dealing with the scum of the earth here,

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Speaker 2: so we're thirty percent turn around as fantastic. That's from Jake.

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Speaker 2: I agree with Jake. That's actually my position. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I would go as far as saying, if we even

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Speaker 2: just had one, just one of these, these are the

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Speaker 2: worst offenders in the country.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 2: These are not like kids who are just sort of,

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Speaker 2: you know, a bit of faffing around with the bit

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Speaker 2: of shoplifting and stuff. I mean, this is the stuff

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Speaker 2: that they're getting up to, is with weapons and whatnot. Right,

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Speaker 2: So if you even turn all out around one of

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Speaker 2: their lives, then it's money well spent because that is

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Speaker 2: a child's life that is saved, and that is also

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Speaker 2: crime that has stopped. Anyway, we'll talk to ot after

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Speaker 2: five quarter.

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Speaker 3: Two politics with centric credit. Check your customers and get payments, certainty, Right.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I've almost forgotten, but I haven't quite forgotten.

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Speaker 2: I need exta why I had to come back to

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Speaker 2: work last night for a full hour. But right now,

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Speaker 2: twelve away from five Jason Wall's News Talk zb's political

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Speaker 2: edits to Jason Good Evening, Heather, So is Willow Jean

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Speaker 2: dumb or lazy or what is going on here?

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Speaker 18: Oh?

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Speaker 11: You know, honestly, a lot of people look at this

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Speaker 11: and probably say one of the above to a lot

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Speaker 11: of things that she has done on this because it's

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Speaker 11: just it does seem inexcusable. I mean you just read

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Speaker 11: this text from Chris or this comment from Chrishipkins that

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Speaker 11: he told the Herald last month. As Minister of Education,

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Speaker 11: I went to great length to make sure that the

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Speaker 11: then opposition was extensively involved in the review of ncee A.

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Speaker 11: I think the current government should do the same as

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Speaker 11: what Hepkins said. Then you have Willow Gene that's not

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Speaker 11: she's leaving the Minister of Education on red So was

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Speaker 11: she did front up about this today it's Labour's caucus

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Speaker 11: retreat down in christ Church and so this is what

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Speaker 11: she said when she was asked, why did you ignore

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Speaker 11: the texts?

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Speaker 12: So I prioritized my engagement with the sector to hear

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Speaker 12: from them what were the issues and what other possible

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Speaker 12: solutions to those issues.

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Speaker 11: Now, to me, that doesn't pass the sniff test at all,

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Speaker 11: because you can still at least reply to the minister

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Speaker 11: see something along the vein of I'm going to talk

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Speaker 11: to the sector first, then I'll get back to you.

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Speaker 11: Nothing not a sausage from Willow Gene prime and then

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Speaker 11: not a sausage from Labor leader Chris Hopkins.

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Speaker 4: Any regrets.

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Speaker 12: Oh look, I probably could have said, this is why

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Speaker 12: I need to take my time, and please assure me

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Speaker 12: that I can have the time that I need to

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Speaker 12: do this. But I was not given any time frames

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Speaker 12: from the minister that we have only this amount of

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Speaker 12: time to engage because I'm going to announce and there's

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Speaker 12: only six weeks subsequent to that.

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Speaker 11: So it's the minister's fault for not laying out the timeframe.

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Speaker 4: Apparently did she get in trouble with dear Leader.

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Speaker 13: I think this has been a very closed process that

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Speaker 13: Erica Stanford has operated, and I think that now we

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Speaker 13: need to make sure that it's opened up, that people

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Speaker 13: have meaningful and genuine consultation.

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Speaker 11: Nope, it is still Erica's fault, but there was some

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Speaker 11: way of a concession from Chris Sipkins.

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Speaker 13: Willow gen Prime indicated that she wanted to meet with,

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Speaker 13: you know, the stakeholder groups before meeting with the minister.

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Speaker 13: I don't think that's unreasonable. I did indicate to her,

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Speaker 13: though I think it would have been better if she'd

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Speaker 13: gone back to the minister and told her that that

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Speaker 13: was what she was doing.

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Speaker 11: And there it is a front page and a whole

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Speaker 11: news cycle. Leader water Pole Arbor.

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Speaker 2: Now I hope. Barrys Soper won't mind me breaching his

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Speaker 2: confidence here, but he likes to watch the news and

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Speaker 2: then wings about willow Jen Prime. She of all of

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Speaker 2: the labor politicians, makes him go, oh, how dumb are you?

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Speaker 19: Like?

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Speaker 2: He's been calling dumbness for a long time on her,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, oh no, he picked it ages ago and

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Speaker 2: I sort of just ignore it. But I mean it's

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Speaker 2: been proven that he is in fact correct here, in

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Speaker 2: which case, why is she number eight?

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Speaker 17: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Barry vindicated?

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Speaker 11: A guess, But it's well, I mean you could talk

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Speaker 11: about the talent pool within LEBA, but I think that

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Speaker 11: you know, you've got somebody Carmela Belichium's looking at my

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Speaker 11: list of LEBA and p's at the moment, who's actually

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Speaker 11: somebody that's genuinely good? I quite raped at Anna Williams

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Speaker 11: as well.

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Speaker 2: You've got to remember is she number eight?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 11: One of the you we can speculate till the cows

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Speaker 11: come home. You could say that we're quite away away

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Speaker 11: from an election and we might get somebody that's a

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Speaker 11: little bit more education focused coming into the role a

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Speaker 11: little bit sooner come the campaign time. Maybe that's the case,

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Speaker 11: but I think that this one has given labor supporters

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Speaker 11: a bit of pause for thought at least.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't have a long time, so tell me

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Speaker 2: what happened with Winston and the Highers.

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Speaker 11: Okay, I had a whole audio package worked out, but

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Speaker 11: I'll just go through the the the the long and

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Speaker 11: the short of it. Paul Winston, well, not Paul Winston.

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Speaker 11: There was poor officials that were trying to get Winston

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Speaker 11: Peters to wear a high viz vest and it didn't

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Speaker 11: go well for the poor man trying to get Winston

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Speaker 11: to wear the high vis.

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Speaker 20: Really that safety, we're risk at all, but just you'd

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Speaker 20: like say, so that's well, it's just for protection.

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Speaker 11: It goes back and forth, back and forth. They're trying

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Speaker 11: to get Winston to wear the high vis.

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Speaker 4: He's not wearing it. He says that he's been a

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Speaker 4: battler for taxpayers.

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Speaker 11: The guy says, this isn't going to cost the taxpayer

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Speaker 11: any more money. And then some other poor soul comes

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Speaker 11: along and says, Winston, you've got to wear the high viz.

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Speaker 11: You're in a construction area or close enough to it.

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Speaker 11: You just wasn't having it. It's quintessential Winston. And I

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Speaker 11: think I've covered Winston for a long time. This wis

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Speaker 11: be the last time that I talk about Winston on

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Speaker 11: air probably, and I'm so glad. It's something just so

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Speaker 11: quintessentially silly in Winston, and I just like, I love

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Speaker 11: this story.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's just very very hasn't ruined the line of

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Speaker 2: the pinstripe. Hey, listen, thanks very much, Jason. We'll wrap

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Speaker 2: the political week that was with you after six o'clock

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Speaker 2: Jason Wall's news doalg zb's political letator seven away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the top questions to the newspakers the mic asking.

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Speaker 21: Breakfast, we increase yet again of kids leaving school with

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Speaker 21: literally no qualification, sixteen percent had nothing deserved. Seamos, Associate

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Speaker 21: Education Ministry.

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Speaker 8: I think the education systems become less appealing because you

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Speaker 8: don't have the knowledgeable adult standing at the front telling

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Speaker 8: you stuff that feels like if you miss out, you're

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Speaker 8: missing out on something valuable. And that's because of the

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Speaker 8: erosion of the curriculum. But I think it's also true,

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Speaker 8: while absolutely critical to run the government education system, well,

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Speaker 8: we need alternatives.

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Speaker 6: Surprised you to know my version.

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Speaker 7: Of that is charter school.

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Speaker 8: If you set up a school with flexible fund ands,

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Speaker 8: same money, and so you guys need to do something different.

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Speaker 8: Then I think you can start to fix out of

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Speaker 8: these problem.

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Speaker 21: Back Monday from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 21: Rain Drover newstalg ZB.

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Speaker 2: Here the Winston is right rare the high vers. What's

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Speaker 2: the point? Well, he did ask that actually, and I

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Speaker 2: don't know if he liked the answer, but the point

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Speaker 2: was basically, if something happened in the tunnel, they could

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Speaker 2: find him. It's basically so you don't get left behind

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Speaker 2: and die in there by yourself in the city rail.

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Speaker 2: And it's a bit early in the in the in

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Speaker 2: the tunnel's tenure for us to be losing people in

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Speaker 2: there anyway.

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Speaker 22: So what hap the Winston was going to be the

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Speaker 22: first one into Pike River when they opened it up.

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Speaker 22: So he's probably not afraid of a tunnel line.

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Speaker 2: No, Well he never went in, so maybe he is

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Speaker 2: afraid right anyway, So what happened last night? What happened

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Speaker 2: last night was finished work here, headed out the secret

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Speaker 2: Bye to the German. German was still working out by German,

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Speaker 2: Sorry that you're still working here at work. I'm off home,

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Speaker 2: got home. Try to open the front door dead locked.

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Speaker 2: So you know, with the dead lock, you got the

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Speaker 2: key for the door, but it's deadl locked. You cannot

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Speaker 2: open it. There's a bar, there's a bolt. I was like,

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Speaker 2: it's okay, we're round the back. Try to open it

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Speaker 2: not dead locked as well. So to be fair, I

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Speaker 2: did locked it at the back, but I remember doing

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Speaker 2: that before I went to work. But then the husband

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Speaker 2: must have dead locked the front so then I called him.

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Speaker 2: I called him up, but then I could see he

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Speaker 2: was in there with the baby and he wasn't answering

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Speaker 2: my phone call. But it's okay because he's got an

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Speaker 2: Apple Watch, so he would have felt it. No, I

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Speaker 2: don't understand he didn't feel any of the phone calls

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Speaker 2: coming through. So I texted him and I was like, dude,

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Speaker 2: I need to write my column. I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 2: go back to work. Can you please answer?

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Speaker 16: Ring?

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Speaker 2: Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring Ring. I got

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Speaker 2: in the car, turned the car and I thought, no,

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Speaker 2: this is not really happening to me, is it ring ring? Nope?

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Speaker 2: Still not drove drove to work. I thought, no, surely

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Speaker 2: if I call him now, I'm going to be able

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Speaker 2: to go back.

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Speaker 20: No.

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Speaker 2: Ring ring. I was locked out for an hour. I

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Speaker 2: was locked out for fully half hour before he realized

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Speaker 2: did lock me out? Then he was like, quite, didn't

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Speaker 2: years your key? I was like, do you know how

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Speaker 2: it diad bolt works?

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Speaker 3: Mat?

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Speaker 23: No?

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I had to come back to work for

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Speaker 2: an hour and then I went home. So that that

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Speaker 2: was that was fun. I was at work till late

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Speaker 2: o'clock last night. How about how about you? Anyway? It's

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Speaker 2: God Israel neick news talks that'd be run ony.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts analysis, the drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture? Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand Let's Get Connected news talks.

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Speaker 15: At b.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. The Israeli security Cabinet has approved plans to control Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Prime Ministerbinia MANETNYA, who says Israel will take control of

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Speaker 2: Gaza City or providing humanitarian aid to civilians outside of

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Speaker 2: combat zones now. Hugo Matta is an Israeli journalist and

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Speaker 2: executive director of plus nine seven to two magazine. Hug

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Speaker 2: Ey Hello, Hello, So is he wanting to control all

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Speaker 2: of Gaza or just Gaza City?

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Speaker 20: So right now controls over eighty five percent of Gaza

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Speaker 20: and forbid students from going into it. This is the

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Speaker 20: entirety of Gaza Strip right now. The discussion is about

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Speaker 20: expanding that control into additional territories right now focusing on

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Speaker 20: Gaza City, But that doesn't mean relinquishing control over the rest,

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Speaker 20: which basically pushing Palestinians into smaller and smaller areas of land,

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Speaker 20: mostly previously uninhabited areas of land that are very difficult

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Speaker 20: to sustain life on all.

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Speaker 2: Right, and putting them in camps. Is that right?

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Speaker 20: So there was a plan about setting up essentially a

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Speaker 20: concentration camp that has been discussed in recent weeks. In

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Speaker 20: this specific decision of last night, there was no mention

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Speaker 20: of that. So basically they're saying, we'll give you Mantarian aid,

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Speaker 20: but they're not referencing what was called the humanitarian city

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Speaker 20: or the facto concentration camp. They're not referencing that in.

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Speaker 2: The what's the end goal and what is the way

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Speaker 2: that he gets himself out of Gaza again, Well.

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Speaker 20: It is very unclear. A Daniello keeps on stating that

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Speaker 20: the end goals of the war have not changed in

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Speaker 20: nearly two years. It's defeating Hamas, it's bringing back the hostages.

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Speaker 20: And just what we've been seeing consistently throughout these two

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Speaker 20: years is always the promise of you know, this is it,

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Speaker 20: this is what we're going to get. We saw that

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Speaker 20: when God the City was first occupied in November of

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Speaker 20: twenty three, and since then it was we're a step

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Speaker 20: away from victory. We just need to take over Rapha,

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Speaker 20: we just need to take over the Philadelphi corridor between

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Speaker 20: Gaza and Egypt. We just need to go into this

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Speaker 20: additional operation just last May to clear out Hamas militants.

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Speaker 20: So every time it's this promise of this is the

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Speaker 20: thing that will bring us victory.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is going to take a lot of

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Speaker 2: soldiers in the idea of to go in and occupy

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Speaker 2: a place this big, so and potentially for a while,

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Speaker 2: and I going into a territory where there are still

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Speaker 2: Hamas fighters, So potentially as soldiers get hurt by Hamas,

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Speaker 2: won't this become unpopular?

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Speaker 20: Well, it's really important to remember that the war is

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Speaker 20: already extremely unpopular. Consistently in public opinion polls, we're seeing

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Speaker 20: between seventy and eighty percent of Israelis are saying that

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Speaker 20: they don't want the war to continue that they want

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Speaker 20: a deal between Israel and Hamas to release the hostages

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Speaker 20: and the war. That's the position of the majority of

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Speaker 20: the general and has been for quite some time now,

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Speaker 20: since around January of February. So Nataio is basically battling

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Speaker 20: against the public opinion of his own people. Unfortunately, that

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Speaker 20: has not yet translated into political power pushing back against

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Speaker 20: the government, not in the streets, not in the in

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Speaker 20: parliament in kesset Hago.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much for your time, Haga Mattat Israeli journalists

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Speaker 2: and executive director of plus ninety even two magazine.

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Speaker 3: Heather Dupers the al that problem.

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Speaker 2: The boot Camp pilot has officially ended. Eight out of

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Speaker 2: the twelve participants finished the program. Or Agatamriki has called

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Speaker 2: the program a success, but admits seven of them seven

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Speaker 2: of the participants did reoffend to a threshold that required

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Speaker 2: them to return to the residents for a time. Ian

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Speaker 2: Chapman is the deputy Chief Executive of Youth Justice Services

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Speaker 2: at ot n Hi. He how are you, I'm well,

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Speaker 2: thank you. So why do we think it's a success.

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Speaker 7: So in the context of these particular young men's lives,

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Speaker 7: So it's an individual thing where we're looking at the

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Speaker 7: life cycle, what was leading up to the residential stay

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Speaker 7: in the MSA in the first place, we're talking about

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Speaker 7: ten of the most prolific young offenders in the country

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Speaker 7: were involved in this program and often had multiple residential

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Speaker 7: stays throughout the early teams up and to the point

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Speaker 7: of the MSA. Following that, what we've seen as a

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Speaker 7: reduction in severity of offending. We've seen an increased length

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Speaker 7: of time out in the community, and in a couple

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Speaker 7: of occasions, we've seen kids completely turn their lives around.

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Speaker 7: So on an individual basis, yeah, there's absolutely some successes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you think there are two kids who have changed,

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Speaker 2: they're not going to do this stuff anymore one percent?

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Speaker 16: Ye.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I can never predict into the future. But

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Speaker 7: what we're seeing now one young man has effectively shunned

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Speaker 7: his friend group that that negative influence has turned to sports.

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Speaker 7: Sport has been a common factor in a couple of kids' lives.

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Speaker 7: We are seeing him wanting to all have his tattoos removed,

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Speaker 7: which is quite a remarkable thing for a kid that age.

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Speaker 7: It's sort of a real signal that he's wanting to

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Speaker 7: turn his life around and remove that stigma. Yes, so

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Speaker 7: the reality is that we probably still have a long

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Speaker 7: way to go, but we are seeing really good science.

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Speaker 2: And what about the other one?

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Speaker 7: So the other kids, look, there are no no.

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Speaker 2: No, sorry you said that there were two successful kids.

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Speaker 2: So one one's taken up sport, wants to get his

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Speaker 2: tats off. What about the other one?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the other one likewise sports, So he's just been

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Speaker 7: selected for a regional team and has chosen sport. Again,

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Speaker 7: that's no main feat for any kid. So you know,

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Speaker 7: sporting is a bit of a common threat. It's certainly

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Speaker 7: something that we're going to lean on for any future iteration.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to I mean the important thing here

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Speaker 2: for these guys because they get draw so easily. Kids

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Speaker 2: get drawn so easily back into the as you say,

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Speaker 2: the friendship group and the famili's misbehavior and stuff. Do

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Speaker 2: you guys continue to be in their lives?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, one hundred percent, where as these kids are aging

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Speaker 7: out so that you know, our legal jurisdiction over them,

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Speaker 7: if you like, expires as they transition into adulthood. But

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Speaker 7: we don't leave it there. We've got a variety of

875
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 7: people both within our organization, our NGOs, our partner agencies

876
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 7: who have got a vested interest in this, and we

877
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 7: want to make sure that they can. They are set

878
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 7: up to succeed. They'll still have social workers, they'll still

879
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 7: have contact with the with their mentors. But then also

880
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 7: it's the wider family groups. So we've got a bunch

881
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 7: of parents who sat across these kids who are now

882
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 7: joined up, engaging with us and each other as a

883
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 7: parental group. They're taking parental guy you know, horses and

884
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 7: all that solonggoing along with the wider family. This is

885
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 7: the other key thing, right, So if you're taking a

886
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 7: purely preventative angle, you've got kids who are siblings that

887
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 7: are in big families, and it's the younger siblings looking

888
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 7: up at these old through in the NSA, and we're

889
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 7: looking to the end of the future to say, actually,

890
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 7: there's different paths that we can take. So yeah, there's

891
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 7: a much broader picture than just these kids in this program.

892
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: Ian tell me this, not as a public servant working

893
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: to this government, but as a human. Do you think

894
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: we should keep running these programs?

895
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 5: Yeah?

896
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 7: Look to completely honest hither, I absolutely do. I'm a parent,

897
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 7: I've got a a you know, seventeen year old son.

898
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 7: What we're offering these kids in residents. You know, thankfully

899
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 7: my son isn't in the same circumstance, but if he was,

900
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 7: i'd really actually, I would hope that as a country

901
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 7: we can come together and recognize that there is a

902
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 7: this is the last stop shop for these kids before

903
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 7: they spend a life in corrections. You know, this really

904
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 7: is at that point again for them to even get

905
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 7: into residents in the first place. They really are at

906
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 7: that final stage before they pushed through into the corrections.

907
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 7: You know, that's a life in jail, in and out

908
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 7: of jail. We want to cut that. So yeah, absolutely,

909
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 7: we want to make sure that as a country, as

910
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 7: New Zealand link that we're actually really pulling up the

911
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 7: stops when it comes to the interventions for these kids. So,

912
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 7: you know, the trauma that they've been through. The reality

913
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 7: is is that this is stuff that you or I

914
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 7: and most of the public when never even found them.

915
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 7: So yeah, I absolutely do think that there's a case

916
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 7: for this in the future.

917
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 2: And thanks very much for your answer. I appreciate it.

918
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Speaker 2: Ian Chapman, Deputy Chief Executive of Youth Justice Services at OT.

919
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: Now we're going to go and talk about the chat

920
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Speaker 2: GPT with the GPS very shortly. But also, and I'm

921
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922
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923
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924
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925
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Speaker 2: to work half the time, and apparently the council wasn't

926
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927
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928
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929
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931
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942
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948
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Speaker 2: Percent rate on the ot boot camps is better than zero.

949
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Speaker 2: I totally agree, you know, I am totally of the

950
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Speaker 2: opinion if all of that money only turns around one life,

951
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: it was worth it because it is a life, and

952
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Speaker 2: that is an important thing. There are our kids as well,

953
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Speaker 2: even if they're aughty kids. Coming up twenty past five. Now,

954
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: gps are taking to AI for their consultations like ducks

955
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: to water. A survey of almost two hundred gps by

956
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: Otago University has found that forty percent of them were

957
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 2: recording their consultations and getting AI to write everything down

958
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: for them. Professor Angela Balentine was the lead researcher who

959
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 2: did this survey and surveying with us. Now, hey, Angela, Hi,

960
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: thanks for having me. It's really smart that they're doing this.

961
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 2: You could see the time saving in it. But are

962
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: there any fish shocks, like do they need to tell

963
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: you that they're doing this?

964
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 23: Yeah, so that does look like this time saving. There's

965
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 23: a couple of fishhooks. One is that there are still

966
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 23: errors in the clinical notes. So we found that GPS

967
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 23: said that maybe there were hallucinations so content that hadn't

968
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 23: really been said, or the notes had missed really critical findings,

969
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 23: so they still need to be read really carefully by

970
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 23: the clinician. And in terms of consent, yes, we found

971
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 23: that fifty nine percent of gpsn't we're asking patients for consent,

972
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 23: but that means a significant minority isn't, and we really

973
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 23: like to see that chain. We think patients should know

974
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 23: and they should get to have a say.

975
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 2: Well, because only if only to stop you saying dumb things, right,

976
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: because like you might go in like I quite like

977
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: having a laugh with the GP sometimes.

978
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 23: In absolutely no, no, you should still do that one

979
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 23: hundred percent.

980
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: You should still do that a bomb joke, you know

981
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: what I mean, And it's just bad job great, but

982
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: I don't want.

983
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 23: That, I know, but I think that would be that

984
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 23: would be really so sad. One of the really nice

985
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 23: things actually in the study is that one of the

986
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 23: gps said, it made my job fun again. And I

987
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 23: work with a lot of GPS, and I know how

988
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 23: you know, overburdened they are, so please tell the jokes.

989
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 23: That also makes the GP's job fun again. So yeah, So,

990
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 23: I mean in terms of it recording it, it will

991
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 23: record it, create the transcript. That transcript will typically be deleted,

992
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 23: say in seven days. So in terms of what ends

993
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 23: up in your clinical notes, hopefully the AI will just

994
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 23: ignore that and or the doctor will delete anything that's

995
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 23: not necessary.

996
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 2: Angela, do you think people are still weird about AI

997
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: because they don't necessarily understand that they might just freak

998
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: out and say, no, you can't.

999
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 23: I don't think they're weird about AI. I think it's

1000
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 23: good to be skeptical about AI. I don't like the

1001
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 23: narrative of like, oh, my gosh, AI is going to

1002
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 23: solve all of our problems in the health system. I mean,

1003
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 23: there's just there's been that narrative around, like oh, we've

1004
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 23: got dishwashers and now we've got GPS. On our phone

1005
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 23: and in our phone like predicts, so we don't even

1006
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 23: have to think about how we're going to teck someone back.

1007
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: And actually the result.

1008
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 23: Of all of that is that we're all more exhausted

1009
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 23: and more tired and disconnected, you know, than we were

1010
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 23: fifty years ago. So you know, we don't want to

1011
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 23: be like simplistic about it's going to solve all the problems,

1012
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 23: and we don't want to be simplistic about the something

1013
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 23: evil and dodgy about it either. Yeah, we just want

1014
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 23: to keep collecting the data and really understanding how it's

1015
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 23: influencing clinical practice.

1016
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: I like your approach. Thanks very much, Angela, Professor Professor

1017
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: Angela Valentine, Department of Primary Healthcare at Otaga University in Wellington.

1018
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 2: She's a good bird, Ay five twenty two.

1019
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's hither duplicity, Ellen

1020
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and youth dogs.

1021
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 2: They'd be sports title is with us shortly five twenty five.

1022
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: Two things happened in Rugby this week that I I reckon.

1023
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: That basically means ENZI has to rethink its policy of

1024
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: not selecting overseas bass players. First one is Richie Muong's

1025
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: contract signing, which is incredibly for an incredibly short period

1026
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: of eighteen months. And the second is the waller Be's

1027
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 2: dropping the guitar rule now on Richie, I want Richie back,

1028
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: and it is incredibly clear that Razer wants Ritchie back,

1029
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: which matters a whole lot more so badly does he

1030
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: want Richie back that he's doing everything he can to

1031
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: get Richie back in the number ten jersey for the Abs,

1032
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: and that includes signing Richie for about half the contract

1033
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 2: link that you normally would sign a player for. Now,

1034
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: between that and the sabbaticals, that ends it. Our hands

1035
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: out to all and sundry, I reckon, we're getting so

1036
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,959
Speaker 2: close to selecting overseas bass players. Practically, we are towing

1037
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 2: that line so hard, we are bending those rules so

1038
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: much that you have to wonder how long this charade

1039
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: can actually last before we just go I can find

1040
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: let's just select them overseas. And then there's the ghetto

1041
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: rule in Australia. Australia's ditched it so it now selects

1042
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: overseas bass players. South Africa selects overseas bass players, Argentina

1043
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 2: selects overseas bass players. The Islands select overseas blas players.

1044
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: We're the last rugby nation in the Southern hemisphere not

1045
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 2: doing this. Now, we could ignore the others. We could

1046
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: ignore the increasing strength of the South African and the

1047
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: Argentine Argentinian squads relative to our squad, because those overseas

1048
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: bass players are really improving their squads. But we cannot

1049
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: ignore what Australia's dis done because what they've done is

1050
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 2: they've watered down our super rugby competition. I mean, that's

1051
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: why we're still enforcing the rule to protect our domestic game.

1052
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: But what's the point in harming the All Blacks, which

1053
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: is what we're doing in order to protect domestic rugby

1054
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: If the Aussies just threw our domestic rugby to the

1055
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: Wolves and it does harm the All Blacks this policy

1056
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: because if we didn't have this policy, we would have

1057
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: had Richie this year, and we would have had Richie

1058
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: last year and we would most likely have won a

1059
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: hell of a lot more games and Rayses first season

1060
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: do for Selan hither why didn't you rap on the window?

1061
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: Oh ye, this is apropos me having been locked out

1062
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: of the house last night, I did think about it.

1063
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: I sort of rattled the front door a little bit.

1064
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: Trouble is if if he's in there with the baby

1065
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: trying to put the baby to sleep, and then you go,

1066
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: I need to get in. I mean, that kind of

1067
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: defeats the purpose. Can you imagine how angry he's gonna

1068
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: be when it comes out. I'm just it's just not

1069
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: gonna be worth it. So I thought about it, and

1070
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: I thought about knocking on the door, and then I

1071
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, just just suck it up. Works

1072
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: not that far away. So I just sucked it up.

1073
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: I'm too wonderful, That's what I thought. Afterwards.

1074
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 19: I was just.

1075
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: Basking my own glow. I was like, what a reasonable

1076
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: and well tempered person to be locked out of the

1077
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 2: house for half an hour and just be like, Hey,

1078
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: that's cool, man, don't worry about it. Thanks for the

1079
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: beer when I came home, which is what it didn't

1080
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: make it a lot better than I had a beer

1081
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: here the What does z BE stand for nothing? I

1082
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: asked the boss. Who's a nerd? He's a radio nerd

1083
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: stands for nothing? ZED just means that back in the

1084
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 2: old days, it was government owned. But the reason we're

1085
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: talking about it is because zed B ninety nine. Tomorrow,

1086
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Speaker 2: how good is that? Headline's next?

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Speaker 1: Just give what after making the news? The news talk

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Speaker 1: to Heather first, it's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. Let's get connected, and news Talk said, be

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Speaker 1: swell to God over.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you are going to have to stay tuned. You

1092
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: really have to to hear this yarn about the council

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00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 2: worker who didn't turn up to work for half the

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00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: time he was employed, but then apparently the council wasn't

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00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: allowed to fire him. It's just completely outrageous. Ruth Richardson

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Speaker 2: is going to be with us after six o'clock. She's

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00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: not stoked about the way that Nichola Willis is spending money.

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Speaker 2: I've also got to run you through what fricking Chris

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00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: Hopkins has said about he thinks the treasure is just spinning.

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Speaker 2: And text of the day Heather stick to housework, Richie

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00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 2: mong I won't help the all blacks, but the current

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Speaker 2: policy will. Thanks Morris. Twenty four away from six.

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Speaker 3: Can't the doctors go?

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00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: Are you serious?

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00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 8: Tweet Tea points to wait too the full time start.

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00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 7: You know, we had some discussions about the length of contact.

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Speaker 21: That was probably the main thing, but ultimately, you know,

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00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 21: Richie's decided to go through the end of the World Cup,

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Speaker 21: which we're really pleased by.

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Speaker 24: Well, I won't think people ignore this very impressive performance

1113
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 24: by Hawk's Bay, who had absolutely taken mccuntis Monaco steal

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Speaker 24: us to the cleaners.

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Speaker 2: I'm the sports huddled with us this evening. We have

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00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: Nathan lim newstalk Z'B sport reporter and Matt Brown Oceania

1117
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 2: Football Confederation media manager. High lads.

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00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 17: Hello, Heather, Hi, Heather, Hi Napan, Hey Brownie.

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00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 5: How are you very well?

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Speaker 20: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Long time? No Yeah, what have you been up to.

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00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 5: Nathan or me? I've just been just been busy, busy, confidential, Yeah, real.

1123
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Speaker 2: Sad, taking them mickey out of you. Hey, Nathan, listen,

1124
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to do this, aren't we. Aren't we

1125
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: just going to have to simply go the way of

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00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: every other Southern Hemisphere rugby nation and start picking the

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00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: overseas based players.

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Speaker 17: No, why, because how many Richiemonger games have you watched

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00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 17: this this year?

1130
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 19: Heather?

1131
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 4: None?

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00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: Because he plays for Japan.

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00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 17: How many Jordy Barrett games have you seen?

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00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: None?

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00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 17: Right? So if we open the borders and we let

1136
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 17: all our top players just go overseas, we're not going

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00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 17: to see them.

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00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 4: Because you need.

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00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: Follow up question. How many Super Rugby games did I watch?

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Speaker 17: How many Super Rugby? Okay? Well, I don't care, right, Okay,

1141
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 17: wasn't your editorial on this though, yih?

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00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: But my editorial is I think protecting Super Rugby, which

1143
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: is a crap product, is a dumb idea because it's

1144
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 2: already a crap product.

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00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 17: I don't think it's a crap product. You How you

1146
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 17: can't say that if you didn't watch any of the games.

1147
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 17: How are you in a position to say it's a

1148
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 17: crap product if you didn't watch the game?

1149
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: Make it's a good point that you I watched.

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Speaker 17: The games and I thought it was a really good

1151
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 17: product this year, Heather. You know you could make the

1152
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 17: point that, Okay, Australia lets all their players go overseas

1153
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 17: and they're they're in Super Rugby, but Australia Rugby in

1154
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 17: Australia is about the fifth or sixth top sport. In

1155
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 17: New Zealand, rugby is the national sport we live and

1156
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 17: breathe it. Obviously that's changing in recent times. But if

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00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 17: we just let all our players go overseas, all our

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00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 17: best players, we're not going to see them. So this

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00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 17: national conversation that we have every time when it comes

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Speaker 17: to who's going to be in the All Black squad

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Speaker 17: and everyone's predicting their squads, it becomes it's part of

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00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 17: you know, the national psyche. Everyone has their own squads,

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Speaker 17: everyone debates about it. No one is going to have

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Speaker 17: any idea who gets into the All Blacks every year

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00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 17: because no one is going to be able to keep

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Speaker 17: track of all of our players. It is so hard

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Speaker 17: to just watch the Japanese league, and if they're playing

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Speaker 17: all in loads of different leagues around the world, we're

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Speaker 17: not going to see them. Super rugby products going to

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Speaker 17: be devalued. Less people are going to watch it. There's

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Speaker 17: going to be less money. So I don't see any upside.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you, Matt, No?

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Speaker 5: I do to agree with Nathan, to be honest on

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Speaker 5: this one. I think. Look, one of the things one

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Speaker 5: of the arguments against letting the players go is that

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Speaker 5: will devalue the product back here and you know, super rugby.

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Speaker 5: If you think of sports global sports around around the world.

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00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 5: You know football, sure, with footballers the English Press League

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Speaker 5: is where they need to be the top players in

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00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 5: the world and we all watched that. But with rugby,

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00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 5: you know Super rugby in New Zealand rugby has when

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Speaker 5: a product that people around the world tune in too.

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Speaker 5: And if we let our best players just go winning

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Speaker 5: it because the reality is if you picked them from overseas,

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00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 5: more of our very best players will play overseas because

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Speaker 5: they're in demand. The product here will be the valued. Further,

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00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 5: you'll I don't think crowds are that great, but they are.

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00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 5: They would certainly become a lot less in Super Rugby

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Speaker 5: than what they have been. And this season we did

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Speaker 5: see a fantastic Super Rugby competition, but evenue for New

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00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 5: Zealand rugby will drop considerably because the product won't be

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Speaker 5: enough money.

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Speaker 2: What's more important to you Super Rugby or the All Blacks?

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Speaker 5: Well, personally, I think, like most key Wes, want to

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00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 5: see the All Blacks.

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Speaker 3: Do well to them.

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Speaker 2: What happened this year and last year is that we

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Speaker 2: did not have Richiem Wonger the best number ten because

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Speaker 2: of this rule. So what we decided is we wanted

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Speaker 2: to protect the super Rugby didn't even protect it, wanted

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00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 2: to protect it, and we lost him and potentially there

1202
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: will be more of that with these guys. Go guys,

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00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: I want to make the dollars and they head off

1204
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: over season. We can't pick the best all blacks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but also if you look at the other way around,

1206
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 5: I mean, there are players that stayed in New Zealand

1207
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Speaker 5: and rugby a lot longer than perhaps what they would

1208
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 5: have done. I mean you've got and you've got players

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00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 5: like a boat in Barratt for example, going overseas the

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00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 5: sabbatical clause. It's not perfect, but it has worked. You

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Speaker 5: have some very good players. I mean Artie Severe is

1212
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Speaker 5: doing it. And now I have some very good players

1213
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Speaker 5: who have done it come back and have still maybe

1214
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Speaker 5: all blacks and have gone and have still been good

1215
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Speaker 5: all black. So I think, yeah, otherwise we're going to

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00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 5: We're gonna have a very young all black team if

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00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 5: we If we let everyone go and don't change change

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00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 5: the rules, you cay can eat it. But I'm more

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00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 5: in favor of the current rules.

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Speaker 2: Still on the subject of Ardi, is he going to

1221
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: sign with the Saudias?

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Speaker 11: Durkin.

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Speaker 17: Is he going to sign with the Soundas and the

1224
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 17: Rugby I have no idea. There's still this is still

1225
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 17: all up in the air in terms of this new

1226
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 17: sort of global competition, whether it's going to work really

1227
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 17: because you know, there's a lot of logistics in terms

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00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 17: of having a rugby competition where you've got all of

1229
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 17: your teams and and moving them all from place to

1230
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 17: place around the world. I don't really understand how they're

1231
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 17: going to make any money from it. If one, I

1232
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 17: guess so, but if one's totally different.

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Speaker 2: Like wouldn't you do it like the sevens?

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Speaker 17: Like the sevens? You mean the sevens that has just

1235
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 17: been massively downgraded because there's no money in it and

1236
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 17: they don't know what to speak they do that it's

1237
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 17: not working as a product, so like you can't compare

1238
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 17: it to that. Otherwise we're just we're going to go

1239
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 17: down a rabbit hole here. But look, I have no idea.

1240
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 17: Art is obviously going to go Overseas next year on

1241
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 17: his sabbatical. But I think until there's some actual legs

1242
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 17: and some actual announcements to the story, we kind of

1243
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 17: just have to take it with the grains.

1244
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Speaker 2: If they did manage to pull it off? Would you

1245
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 2: watch it? I've got to be honest, I'm if I'm

1246
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: fizzling for it.

1247
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Speaker 4: I hope it works.

1248
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 16: Well.

1249
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Speaker 5: I don't watch live golf, and I watched one round

1250
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 5: of live golf, since you know, some of the best

1251
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 5: players in the world joined live golf, so I would

1252
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 5: say no.

1253
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: So is this an ideological thing from you? You're like,

1254
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to watch it, Diy Saudi money.

1255
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 5: No, No, it's not it it's it's it's not ideological.

1256
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 5: It's I'm quite a traditionalist. I'm a bit of a purist.

1257
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 5: I'll watch international rugby test rugby, you know, I like

1258
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 5: watching rugby in our time zones here in New Zealand,

1259
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 5: I don't watch, even though they are you know, Champions

1260
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 5: Cup and things like that in Europe by and large.

1261
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 5: So it's not it's it's it's look, am I scared

1262
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 5: of something new? Maybe there's there that and me as well,

1263
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 5: but but look, the reality is there's just not enough

1264
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 5: detail yet and we'd have to see what the detail

1265
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 5: is before I canither.

1266
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 17: You're just playing Devil's advocate here, because you just said

1267
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 17: you didn't watch any of the ones for around the

1268
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 17: world and you don't watch Super Rugby, but you're going

1269
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 17: to get up in the middle of the night time Saudi,

1270
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 17: so no one's going to watch it.

1271
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 2: Got a record? Have you not got Sky recording? And

1272
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 2: then you can watch it.

1273
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 17: I don't have Sky. I'm twenty four years old, Tor

1274
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 17: of CALLD.

1275
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: That'd I'm consistent in this, Okay. The reason I don't

1276
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: watch the Super Rugby is because I'm so frustrated by

1277
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: the rules. The reason I'm into the Saudi product is

1278
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 2: because I'm hoping that they break free of World Rugby

1279
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 2: and and tweak the rules to be a better product.

1280
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 17: Well, then all of the players who go and play

1281
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 17: for them would be going to a different effectively a

1282
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 17: different sport when you go to go to play test, right, we.

1283
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: Will be better rugby, wouldn't it.

1284
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 16: Better?

1285
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 17: What are the rules you're changing here?

1286
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: Do you want to go down this? Okay? First of all,

1287
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: First of all, I want to just get rid of

1288
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: the scrum all together, impact.

1289
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 5: Playing rugby, better rugby, that's what it's called.

1290
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: Because I don't I hate the scrum and it's not

1291
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: a visual spectacle. Right, then, i'd want to change the rules.

1292
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 2: So you're an attacking game, not a defensive game. Right,

1293
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: then i'd want to limit what the TMO is doing

1294
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: defens I just do you want to watch sevens when

1295
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 2: I want to watch an r L don't I?

1296
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 17: Okay, so you want to watch an entirely different sport.

1297
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 17: And what are we talking about here here?

1298
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: Nathan? You carry on like this your band from the sports,

1299
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: have a break, we'll come back.

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Speaker 4: Shortly caught it to.

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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports title with New Zealand Southby's International Realty,

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00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: the ones for unmatched results.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the Sports title. We've got Matt

1304
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: Brown and Nathan Lim Matt, Actually, can I just ask

1305
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 2: you something? How do you stop the people throwing the

1306
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: dildos on the court?

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00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 5: You know, you probably don't make a big fuss of it.

1308
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 5: If you make a big fuss of it and you

1309
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 5: start banning it, that just encourages people to try and

1310
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 5: get around the rules, right, And yeah, I don't know,

1311
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 5: I don't know how you actually stop it, but I

1312
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 5: mean bag search bag searches. I suppose they're away, but

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00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 5: you know you just wear a big jacket, don't you,

1314
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 5: and you stuff it in that, So yeah, I would

1315
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 5: imagine that gets around it pat them down.

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00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 17: We've never worked out how to stop streakers, have we?

1317
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 17: So like idiots are always going to be idiots. And

1318
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 17: like you said, Brownie, about you know, you tell someone

1319
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 17: not to do something and make a big deal out

1320
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 17: of it, and it just almost puts the idea. I

1321
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 17: remember sitting in the kitchen at seven or eight years

1322
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 17: old and my mum just turns to me and goes, Nathan,

1323
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 17: never stick a knife in the toaster. And I remember

1324
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 17: thinking that was random. The thought had never crossed my mind,

1325
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 17: but now that she said not to do it, that

1326
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 17: was the only thing I could think about.

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00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 2: Did you do it?

1328
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 17: I did? Luckily it was turned off at the wall,

1329
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 17: so we were Okay.

1330
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 2: Honestly you are your mum. Wow, she no wonder she

1331
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: said to you not to do it, but she's a

1332
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 2: trouper the kid that does it. Holy Leanna. Okay, well,

1333
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 2: I've learned to parenting lesson there now. Nathan, you've been

1334
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: working on this stuff that's going on with the netball

1335
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: and the change of rules and stuff like that. There

1336
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: are rumors flying that now we've changed the rules for Grace,

1337
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of players want to head over to

1338
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: the Aussies.

1339
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 9: Is this true?

1340
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:41,959
Speaker 2: Yes, which players.

1341
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 17: So senior Silver Ferns will have the option to But

1342
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 17: Netble New Zealand have been deliberately vague around the criteria

1343
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 17: that you need to meet in order to be able

1344
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 17: to receive an eligibility exemption and play a netball overseas.

1345
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 17: I've seen a bit of noise from the players about, oh,

1346
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 17: it's frustrating because we don't know what the criteria. But

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01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 17: I like the fact that they have made it vague

1348
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 17: and it is a collaborative decision between the player, the

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01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 17: Silver Ferns coach, Dame Night and Totoer and Netball New Zealand.

1350
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 17: Because if they put out a list of rules and

1351
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 17: say you have to play this many tests, you have

1352
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 17: to do this, this, and this, players will just try

1353
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 17: and hit those markers and immediately.

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01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: It's objective, isn't it act we think and we think

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01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 2: you're rubbish, and they'll make the decision based on that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: Well it allows them more control over keeping some players

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01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 17: here and the majority of the good players here and

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01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 17: making a few exceptions for those really outstanding circumstances like

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Speaker 17: Grace Wikiet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this Matt is a mirror of what I

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01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 2: was talking about with the All Blacks, right, we are

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01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: going to devalue our local competition, but the netball that

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01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:40,959
Speaker 2: the Silver Ferns may actually come out of this better.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, potentially. I think it is slightly different in the

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01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 5: sense that I think, you know, the best netball competition

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Speaker 5: in the world club competition is the Australian one. It's

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01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 5: of a better standard than ours overall, and so our

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01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 5: best players playing in there are going to get better.

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Speaker 5: And if you've got silver Ferns playing in there and

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01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 5: they are eligible to still play for the Silver Ferns,

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01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 5: then the Silks the national team may actually be stronger

1373
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 5: for it. So and I think with netbor it's a

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01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 5: little different. I mean, you pack those little stadiums three

1375
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 5: four thousand people, the atmosphere is great, you can still

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01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 5: there's still a good standard of players. I just think

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01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 5: from a netball perspective, it was kind of necessary because

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01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 5: you want Grace Wiki playing and you want other top

1379
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 5: silver Ferns. But you are going to have a few

1380
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 5: more of our best, and I say a few. I

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01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 5: don't think it's going to be the floodgates can to

1382
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 5: open something. You all twenty first choice silver Ferns are

1383
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 5: going to play across the Tasman But but yeah, it's

1384
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 5: almost a little bit of a compromise. But I don't

1385
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 5: mind it.

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01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 17: Again, it's a nice halfway point, yeah between because because

1387
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 17: the other thing is, if you're comparing it to the

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01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 17: rugby argument. Super Rugby's competition that has a good structure,

1389
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 17: a good base of money behind it. You can guarantee

1390
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 17: the players a job next year, whereas the netballers, on

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01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 17: the other hand, have had this whole thing if we

1392
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 17: don't know if there's going to be a competition for

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01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 17: the majority of this year. We now have a broadcast deal.

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01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 2: But Nathan lem Mark, my words, we're going the same

1395
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 2: way and Super Rugby and it's just a matter of

1396
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: time before we're having the same discussion as netball. All right, Wow,

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Speaker 2: I mean the.

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Speaker 17: Experience, you know what you're talking about?

1399
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretending anyway, Hey, Matt, good luck with the Magpies

1400
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 2: top of the table, ain't.

1401
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 5: Indeed they should be for another week at least. Tiger

1402
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 5: away this weekend under beautiful weather conditions, no.

1403
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 2: Problems label after how many games are you.

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01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:17,439
Speaker 10: One?

1405
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, you'll get me on again in a few weeks,

1406
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 5: I'm sure and I'm sure we'll still be top.

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01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: Take the wins when you can get them. Hey, lads,

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01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 2: thank you very much. I really appreciate it from both

1409
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 2: of you. That's Matt Brown, Oceania Football Confederation media manager

1410
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: and Nathan the Newstalk ZBI sportsporter, who will be back.

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01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: Don't worry, he's not been banned all eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

1413
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by Newstalk zb.

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Speaker 2: Heather, it's nice to see a sports sky challenge you

1415
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 2: get more on than those that always agree with They

1416
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 2: don't agree with me at all. Nathan's a good sort

1417
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 2: the way he knows the stuff, Heather. Regarding the Newell Brasier,

1418
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 2: every store has one or two on display, but they're

1419
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 2: not for sale even though they are not replenishing. Go figure.

1420
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 2: This is a good point. Maybe we'll get intact because

1421
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 2: I've got a parcel of ideas for New World Actually,

1422
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 2: as you would have heard earlier in the week when

1423
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: I was raving about this or add that to the parcel,

1424
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 2: sell the ones on display. Guys here the Mike this

1425
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: morning said he's voting for you to be the head honcho.

1426
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 2: For the TV program traitor. I did see that, and

1427
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 2: I looked at the pole just a minute ago, and

1428
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 2: I am still in second place. Mike is in first place.

1429
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 2: So I'm very happy to hand this over to Mike

1430
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: because you do realize what's going on here is it's

1431
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 2: an ironic vote. That's good that people are supporting Mike

1432
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 2: because they're like that Mike costkings Hey's got it TV,

1433
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 2: so that they're supporting him, and they are right because

1434
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: you have seen him on lots of TV shows. But

1435
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: also why they're voting for me is because I said

1436
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 2: earlier this week that I don't think we should give

1437
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 2: money to traitors. So it's kind of like a haha,

1438
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: let's see how you handle this one then, girl. And

1439
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 2: that's why. So anyway, I wouldn't take the job if

1440
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 2: I was offered it because I stand by my principles.

1441
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 2: Although how much anyway, five away from six now, my

1442
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 2: mind is completely blown by this story. You got to

1443
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: hear this. This is in the papers today. The er has

1444
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 2: forced a council to a worker who only turned up

1445
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: half the time that he was employed, and they have

1446
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 2: said the era that he was sacked without justification. So

1447
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 2: this is the young It's rud thru a Lake's Council

1448
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 2: and they employed a chap called Richard Lyons as a

1449
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: recreation planner in August twenty twenty three. He was going

1450
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 2: to work forty hours a week eight to five monty

1451
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: a Friday. First ten weeks in the job, he's not

1452
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 2: there for nine days. That's basically two weeks. So ten

1453
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: weeks in the job he doesn't turn up for two weeks.

1454
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 2: He stopped completely, stopped turning up for work in November.

1455
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 2: On November sixth, he's hired in August gone by November,

1456
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 2: his manager emails him and texts him regularly to find

1457
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: out what's going on. He doesn't reply November twenty one.

1458
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 2: The manager then says to him on email, come to

1459
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 2: a meeting in two days time. We've got to talk

1460
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 2: about what's going on here. He does not attend the meeting. Instead,

1461
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 2: he emails the manager a medical certificate for an absence

1462
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: of eleven days. But he's been missing for thirty days.

1463
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 2: This is only for eleven days. So the manager goes

1464
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: back to him six times and says, yo, what's going on.

1465
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: He just keeps every time. The manager says, this is

1466
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 2: only for eleven days. He just sends him the same

1467
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 2: medical certificate. Manager then sends a letter proposing another meeting.

1468
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 2: Doesn't turn up. The manager then sends this is now

1469
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: at December one, another letter calling for a meeting on

1470
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 2: December five, warning we might fire you. He attends that meeting,

1471
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 2: and now he comes up with a medical certificate for

1472
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 2: thirty days, but it's not signed. After the meeting, the

1473
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 2: manager then sends him a letter summarizing the council's expectations,

1474
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 2: outlining a plan to work. He then sends another medical

1475
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 2: certificate saying he's not starting work until nine January. He

1476
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 2: doesn't turn up for work on nine January or the

1477
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 2: next five days, but emails saying he's going to get

1478
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: another medical certificate. He doesn't. His manager then sends several

1479
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 2: text messages over the next few days. On January the seventeenth,

1480
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 2: remember he was employed in August. On January the seventeenth,

1481
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 2: the manager sends him an email requesting a meeting on

1482
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,959
Speaker 2: January twenty one. He says he would come, he doesn't come,

1483
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: sends an email saying he will be attending at won't

1484
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: be attending, but he'll be there at work. The next

1485
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 2: day Council hold the meeting anyway, they fire him. They

1486
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 2: tell him this. He then launches a PG takes it

1487
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 2: to the RA and the Era. The Employment Relations Authority

1488
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 2: says he should never have been sacked because it was

1489
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 2: disproportionate in the circumstances and gives them seven and a

1490
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 2: half thousand dollars for lost wages. The world is mental.

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Speaker 1: Ruth richardson next, keeping track of where the money is flowing.

1492
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplessy and Las for Trusted

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Speaker 1: Home Insurance Solutions.

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Speaker 3: US talks that be.

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Speaker 2: Evening coming up in the next hour. Here's the stats

1496
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: that you Japan recorded a million more deaths than births

1497
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: last year. Peter Lewis on that we're going to wrap

1498
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 2: the political week that was, and Gavin Gray will do

1499
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 2: the UK for US. It's coming up eight past six.

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Speaker 2: Finance Minister Nichola Willis is defending her spending habits after

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01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: Treasury pointed out that five years on from the beginning

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01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 2: of the pandemic, spending is still close to its pandemic

1503
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 2: era peak. Nikola Willis told Ryan Bridge on early edition

1504
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 2: this morning that her government will not repeat you into

1505
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 2: Ardun's mistakes.

1506
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 16: Cross OURSS two budgets.

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Speaker 2: We have already delivered forty four billion dollars worth of savings.

1508
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 2: Now it is correct that we've to love those savings

1509
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 2: back into the system, into education. Governments still just as big, right, No,

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01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 2: it is not just as big. And Ruth Richardson is

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Speaker 2: the former Finance minister and current chair of the Taxpayers

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Speaker 2: Union with us evening Ruth good enning, you don't agree

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Speaker 2: with Nicole to do you?

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Speaker 20: No?

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Speaker 25: I do not, And she needs to face up to

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01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 25: what Treasury is telling her. This report is one of

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01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 25: home truths and hard decisions. Treasury is saying to her

1518
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 25: from the rooftop, shouting firefire. A fiscal position is not sustainable.

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01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 25: We face greater pressure on the fiscal position than we

1520
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 25: have in the last twenty years. Higher starting debt levels,

1521
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 25: less favorable interest rates and growth trends, long term fiscal

1522
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 25: pressures such as population aging and climate change, and demands

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01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 25: on government service provision and public investment. Now they what

1524
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 25: a line is? They say, Successive governments must deliver operating surpluses,

1525
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 25: maintain borrowing capacity, prioritize high value capital projects, and lift

1526
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 25: economic growth to rebuild our fascal sustainability we're doing none

1527
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Speaker 25: of those things.

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Speaker 2: What would you do if you were in her position?

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Speaker 25: Well, I think it's pretty clear she's got to do

1530
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,799
Speaker 25: three things. First of all, she has to take stock

1531
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 25: of the public expenditure. Freight train. She says she's saved

1532
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 25: all that about the mate, she just cloud it back

1533
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 25: in that's spending by any other name. I think that

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01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 25: Nicola needs to do in Erica. Erica gets top marks.

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Speaker 25: She shine what it takes to get your hands around

1536
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 25: a problem and deal with it at a fundamental level.

1537
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 25: I think Nicola should follow suit. So instead of worrying

1538
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 25: about the price of butter, she should be worrying about

1539
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 25: debt and deficits. Start running some surpluses and look at

1540
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 25: the way in which she can immediately pay down debt

1541
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 25: and deal then to the environment in which we're going

1542
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 25: to get some decent growth, which we don't have.

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Speaker 2: I agree with every thing that you have said, Ruth,

1544
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 2: But what I want to know is why doesn't Nicholas

1545
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 2: a smart woman? Why doesn't she do it? Is she

1546
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 2: out of depth in finance or is she simply making

1547
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 2: some calculated choices to get re elected.

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Speaker 25: Well, the Treasury is very clear about what the choices

1549
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 25: are that you have to make. And when you're the

1550
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 25: Minister of Finance, you've got to be the hard man

1551
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 25: and you've got to take the decisions. You should be

1552
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 25: the one that's saying to the cabinet, right, we need

1553
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 25: to take stock here. You know, it's the economy stupid.

1554
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 25: They are drowning electorally. So what they're doing now tiptoeing

1555
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 25: around the problems not working electorally, So they might as

1556
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 25: well start dealing with the problem at the economic level.

1557
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 25: And at the economic level, the choices are very clear. Indeed,

1558
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 25: we're spending too much, Our death is too high, our

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01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,560
Speaker 25: growth is too low, and when we face all the

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01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 25: headwinds that we do internationally, we are not in good

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Speaker 25: shape as a country to be. We're vulnerable and we

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01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 25: have to take stock as I say that Nichola should

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Speaker 25: do in Erica.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I agree with you. Okay, what do you make

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Speaker 2: though of the argument that you have to be countercyclical? Right,

1566
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 2: so if we're in recession as we are, then the

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Speaker 2: government has to spend.

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Speaker 25: But no, I don't agree with that. They go through

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Speaker 25: this argument of what's pro cyclical and countercyclical. We had

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Speaker 25: two episodes I was part of one. The economy had

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01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 25: been in recession. I knew that what we needed to

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01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 25: do to get growth was dramatically control public spending, free

1573
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 25: up the economy, and within short order we had that

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01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 25: grow most dramatic reduction of debt and growth in jobs

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01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 25: and in the economy. On the contrary, Robertson and Crewe,

1576
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 25: they decided they'd be procyclical and they would spend splurge,

1577
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 25: an explosion of public money at the very time when

1578
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 25: the economy didn't want it. And what have we got

1579
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 25: as a legacy, low growth, high debt and a hangover.

1580
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 25: Now that's all history. We've got to deal with the

1581
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 25: situation we face now, the worst fiscal position for twenty years.

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01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 25: That has to be dealt with now. Now people will

1583
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 25: say it's the economy stupid. I would, but then Nikola

1584
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 25: would say, well, it's the electoral system stupid. But as

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Speaker 25: I read it, the leaders of the ACT Party, the

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Speaker 25: leaders of New Zealand first the Deputy Finance Minister Chris Bishop,

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Speaker 25: they are all singing from the same song Shee, which

1588
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 25: is Hey Crystal A Luxx and Nicola Willis. We've got

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Speaker 25: to get our hands around this show the country we

1590
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 25: mean to face up to the problem and deal with it.

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Speaker 2: Ruth, thank you very much for your expertise. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: That's Ruth Richardson, former finance minister, currently of the Taxpayers Union.

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01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 2: Everything that she just said is right. And let me

1594
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 2: tell you something. You might have listened to that and thought, well,

1595
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 2: that's about harsh and Nikola. Nicholas, my girl, are like Nichola.

1596
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 2: That's cool. You might think that now, but you and

1597
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: Nichola might be banking on you thinking that now. But

1598
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Speaker 2: fast forward five years when we look back at the situation,

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Speaker 2: if they don't start getting their books in order, you're

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Speaker 2: going to be looking back at Nicola and going, wow,

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01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 2: wasn't she exactly like Grant Robertson? And how do we

1602
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 2: regard Aunt Robertson right now? Not very well? Speaking of which,

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01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: Chippy has has been asked about the Treasury report because

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01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 2: the Treasury report is damning. I mean, it is not

1605
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 2: good for Nicholer, but will it's damning for Grant Robertson

1606
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 2: because they warned him, said hey, can you stop spending

1607
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 2: so much? Can you stop spending so much? And then

1608
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 2: they were like by twenty two, they were like you

1609
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 2: have to stop spending so much. Chippy says, Nah, it's

1610
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: not a problem.

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Speaker 13: If you listen to the Treasury spin, then you're going

1612
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,560
Speaker 13: to get one view. If you speak to other economists

1613
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 13: you'll get a different view.

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01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's Treasury spin, is it. Well, let's listen

1615
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 2: to Chippy spin.

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01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 13: Our view very much was that our job was to

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Speaker 13: support New Zealanders through the global pandemic, making sure that

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01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 13: we saved lives and kept people's jobs, and we were

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01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 13: very successful in doing that. One of the lowest death

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Speaker 13: rates in the world, one of the lowest rates of

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Speaker 13: unemployment in the world, and one of the fastest rates

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01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 13: of economic growth in the world.

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Speaker 2: And one of the longest recessions in the world. So

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you very much had her.

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Speaker 2: So do you believe I don't know if you didn't

1638
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 2: believe me before, but do you agree with me now

1639
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,799
Speaker 2: that Erica Stanford is the MVP?

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01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 20: Oh?

1641
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 4: I never disagree with you.

1642
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 11: I thought that she's always been somebody that's right at

1643
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Speaker 11: the tippy top of Chris Luxen's caucus and indeed the

1644
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 11: government as well. I mean, what she did well, and

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01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 11: I've had some conversations behind the scenes with some people

1646
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 11: from the ninth floor today because I said that she

1647
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 11: does retail politics so well. She understands the nerdy cabinet

1648
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 11: side of that. I shouldn't say nerdy, but the sort

1649
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 11: of the more bulky behind the scenes thing. But she

1650
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 11: does things like you know, the mobile phone in school band.

1651
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,919
Speaker 11: You know, she was the spearhead of that one. Essentially.

1652
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 11: At the time, you got people saying, well, this already

1653
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 11: happens in schools what's the point. But she knew that

1654
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 11: this would play very well retailed.

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Speaker 2: No, I think you're underselling her man. What you're doing.

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Speaker 2: What it sounds like is she knows how to play

1657
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 2: the game. So it looks like she's doing stuff. She

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01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 2: is doing stuff that is necessary that parents can see

1659
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 2: is necessary, and she has the courage to do it.

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Speaker 2: That is refreshing. It's not retail politics, it's actually transformational politics.

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Speaker 4: Agreed.

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Speaker 11: And I was actually just about to get there because

1663
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 11: I was talking about the fact that she has other

1664
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 11: meaty portfolios such as immigration, she made things happen with

1665
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 11: abuse and state care as well. So she gets the

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Speaker 11: retail side, but she also gets how to get things done,

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01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,480
Speaker 11: and I think that's a really good combination.

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Speaker 2: And I think also what's crucial here is that she's

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01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 2: done her As opposed to Willow Gene, she spent opposition

1670
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 2: doing her homework, reading, learning, and she knew exactly what

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Speaker 2: she wanted to do.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 2: If she was in Willow Jeane's position, she would have

1674
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,440
Speaker 2: taken that meeting a oh.

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01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 11: No doubt, and she would have used that as a

1676
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Speaker 11: way to say national is working constructively with and has

1677
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 11: some sort of way to reflect that back.

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Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what. When I was in the Herald.

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Speaker 11: And Eric Stanford was in Opposition, she was one of

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Speaker 11: the people that was consistently blowing up my phone about

1681
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Speaker 11: things because she knows opposition politics as well and always

1682
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Speaker 11: getting in front of the getting a headline and really

1683
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 11: being in the news. Willow Jane obviously is in the news,

1684
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 11: but for very much the wrong reason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you reckon Willow Jean's going to get sacked

1686
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 2: from number eight?

1687
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Speaker 11: Not now, but I don't think in the future it's

1688
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 11: going to hold up very well. I think that when

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Speaker 11: there is the next reshuffle, I think she probably will

1690
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 11: be one to be worried.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon the government's an emergency mode over the tariffs.

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Speaker 11: I would say this and other things kind of put

1693
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Speaker 11: them in there. I mean, the unemployment number. It came

1694
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 11: in better than expected, and that was the point that

1695
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 11: Nikola Willis was making, but it's still at five point

1696
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 11: two percent. We still have an econ that is really

1697
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,600
Speaker 11: really just sort of slugging along. And this kind of

1698
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 11: adds to that as well. And this is a government

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Speaker 11: And Chris Hipkins makes the good point that they said

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Speaker 11: that they were the ones that were going to fix

1701
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 11: the joint and that's a quote from Chris lux and

1702
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 11: himself there, and at the moment that's not happening. So

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01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,799
Speaker 11: I think in a collaboration with all those other economic issues,

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Speaker 11: I think absolutely.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

1706
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 2: So I think the economy thing is the biggest thing,

1707
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 2: right because we are now eight months into this year,

1708
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 2: and we all thought we just needed to make it

1709
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 2: to the start of this year and things would be fine.

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Speaker 2: And it's starting to become a government problem, isn't it.

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01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 2: Are they do they have any plans to actually do

1712
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 2: anything or they're just going to grind this one out.

1713
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 4: Well, I think they're probably just going to have to

1714
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Speaker 4: grind it out.

1715
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Speaker 11: They're in between a rock and a hard place because

1716
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,480
Speaker 11: if they start really announcing some big meati economic policies,

1717
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 11: it really takes away.

1718
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 4: From what happened.

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Speaker 11: What they want to announce an election year, and that's

1720
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 11: when they want the momentum. So what we're seeing is

1721
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 11: a lot of benign, useless things like Nikola Willis saying

1722
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Speaker 11: that she's going to talk with the CEO of fon terror,

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Speaker 11: She's going to have another meeting about the supermarkets. You know,

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01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 11: a lot of things don't actually mean any thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: but it's trying to be a nod to the to

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Speaker 11: the voters to say, hey, we're working things out, please

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Speaker 11: just give us eighteen months.

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Speaker 2: So the road user charge. Does you think this is

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Speaker 2: playing well with people?

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Speaker 11: I do, actually, I mean anything that reduces taxes and

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Speaker 11: I do know that you know it's going to be

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Speaker 11: cost neutral, but things that we get every single day,

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Speaker 11: like petrol, is one of those goods that people can

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Speaker 11: quantifiably see the impact on their bank account. And yes

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Speaker 11: you will when it comes to the road user charges

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Speaker 11: as well. But people, it makes sense. I mean, I

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Speaker 11: heard you talking to somebody the other day who is

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Speaker 11: who texted in about this just how heavy a Tesla is,

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01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 11: you know, compared to some of the other cars, And

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Speaker 11: it does make sense. And I think that people are

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Speaker 11: going to understand that the proof is going to be

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Speaker 11: in how well this is actually rolled out. I've been

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01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 11: here long enough, Heather to know that when the government

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Speaker 11: wants to do things, it's never an easy This is

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Speaker 11: what we plan to do, so this is going to

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Speaker 11: be the outcome that it is. There's always issues along

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Speaker 11: the way, so I'm interested to see how this one

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Speaker 11: is actually going.

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Speaker 2: To go well this is your last day. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: have you got yourself some drinks lined up before you

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01:17:58,320 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 2: high tailent to Auckland.

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Speaker 11: I have technically, Heather, I am no longer an ends

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01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 11: enemy employee as we talk right now, I'm no longer

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Speaker 11: the political editor.

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Speaker 4: I'm just some talking hard to.

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Speaker 2: A random called Jason. This could be back right now.

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Speaker 4: It could be, it could be.

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Speaker 11: This is very problematic if I could get into defamatory territory.

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Speaker 4: But I promise I won't. I'm a good boy. But yes, no,

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Speaker 4: we're We had our big knees off last.

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Speaker 11: Week when the politicians were all here and we had

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Speaker 11: some speeches. But we're going off to the bar after this,

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01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 11: the point of order bar down here in parliament. That is,

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01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 11: the acronym is p o p oo, so we always

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01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 11: we always find that quite funny, Pooh the pooh bar

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Speaker 11: in parliament.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you catched me.

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Speaker 2: Then you have a big person job, but you still

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01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 2: have a small person sense of humor.

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Speaker 11: I will never grant of it, Heather. It has been

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Speaker 11: a pleasure. I have loved working with you all these years.

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Speaker 11: You've been a mentor and a friend, and I can't

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01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 11: wait to come to your big house.

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Speaker 4: In Auckland and drink all your liquor.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be fantastic. Jason, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for turning up all the time and doing the crosses

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Speaker 2: for us. Really appreciate it. Jason Wool's news Talk, zb's

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Speaker 2: former political editor, now just a regular civilian six twenty two.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you

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Speaker 1: of a business hour where the heather the duplic Ellen

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01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 1: and Mas for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions.

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Speaker 2: News talks, that'd be hither our real debt. The first

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Speaker 2: thing would be to pull out of the Paris agreements,

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Speaker 2: saving billions. Trev Trev, Yes, correct, that would save us.

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Speaker 2: What was it at last count? Was it about twenty

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Speaker 2: eight billion, thirty thirty two billion or something like that,

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Speaker 2: So split the difference, let's say thirty billion. What you

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01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 2: might find alarming is that we haven't even started to

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Speaker 2: factor that in yet. That's not even in the budget yet.

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Speaker 2: So that's coming at us. We can't afford that when

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Speaker 2: there's no way so anyway, it's not really it's not

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Speaker 2: a real expense because we're never going to pay it,

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Speaker 2: so we will, we will have to scrap it. Hither,

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Speaker 2: you never asked Ruth where she would make the cuts. Well,

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Speaker 2: I tried to ask Ruth where she would make the cuts,

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Speaker 2: and she didn't quite answer the question. But to be fair,

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Speaker 2: she was on a on a tear, wasn't she? And

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Speaker 2: I wasn't going to stop her. I mean, where would

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Speaker 2: you look at? Here's the thing, the state that the

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Speaker 2: books are att and the government's books is so dire.

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Speaker 2: The deficitsits that we are running, the structural deficits are

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Speaker 2: so entrenched. You cannot dick around with little cuts here

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Speaker 2: and there, a nonsense like that, where it's quite significant

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Speaker 2: things you have to do. I would start by cutting ministries. Well,

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Speaker 2: first of all, I cut the grocery commissioner, because that's pointless.

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Speaker 2: Then I'd start cutting ministries. I'd cut every woky ministry

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Speaker 2: like you know in the identity politics ministries, Women's Ministry,

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Speaker 2: gom Burger, Pacific, People's gom Burger, Marty. Develop anything gone,

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01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 2: gone gone, if it hasn't got an actual role other

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Speaker 2: than writing reports, like if the point of it is

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01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 2: to educate children, you get to stay. Do operations, you

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Speaker 2: get to stay, do the police, you get to stay.

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Speaker 2: Write some reports by ministry for environment, by doc you

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Speaker 2: can stat Do you know what I mean? If the

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Speaker 2: point is simply to write reports and come up with ideas,

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Speaker 2: I'd be cutting it. I'd be doing the Argentina on

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Speaker 2: it right now. Twenty seven past six, ever do for

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Speaker 2: Shober's News. That's the Office, isn't it? First trailer for

1819
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 2: a spin off of the American series of the Office

1820
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 2: has been released. The new series follows reporters for a

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Speaker 2: newspaper in the Midwest of America as they fight a

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Speaker 2: dying news industry.

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Speaker 11: Welcome to volunteer to your first DAFT meeting as reporters

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Speaker 11: for the Toledo truth Teller.

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Speaker 2: How many of you have actually written for a paper before?

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01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 3: I wrote a paper in junior high.

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Speaker 2: Not quite the same thing you've tweeted.

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Speaker 3: I'm in a group tax.

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Speaker 4: The show is.

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Speaker 2: Called The Paper and it stars Irish actor Dominall Gleeson,

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01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 2: who's the son of Brendan Gleeson, and it also features

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01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 2: Oscar from the original show and some other former cast

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01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 2: may also pop up for cameo surprises, which means that

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Speaker 2: they will. It's not yet clear where the series when

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Speaker 2: where The series will be available for streaming in New Zealand,

1836
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 2: but all eight seasons of the Office are available with

1837
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 2: the Prime Video subscription. You're welcome Prime, you owe me thanks,

1838
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 2: We'll take one month's free subscription. Paper will premiere with

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01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 2: four new episodes at the beginning of September. By the way,

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Speaker 2: Prime is the most cost effective A have you seen

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01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 2: what it's worth? It's like thirteen dollars a month. How

1842
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 2: good is that? News is next to Tim Peter Lewis.

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Speaker 3: The numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather du for Ce Ellen with the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: and MAS for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Sa'd be What is a fill of it?

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01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,719
Speaker 2: I love you. Everybody's a fill. I can tell you anything.

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Speaker 3: Oh the secret.

1849
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Speaker 2: Maybe I was telling you yesterday about the book. I've

1850
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 2: been kind of keeping you abreast of this book about

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01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 2: Prince Andrew. Well, there's another revelation out of the book

1852
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 2: about Prince Andrew, which is that he lost his virginity

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01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 2: at the age of eleven, which is uncomfortably young, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: And according to the book, once he got started that

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Speaker 2: was it, A like by thirteen he was already Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he knew what he was up to. Anyway, once again,

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Speaker 2: I will just say we never really know if these

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01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 2: things are true or not about the royals, but it

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01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 2: does really cause more troubles for Andrew when he really

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01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 2: doesn't need them, does it anyway? Gavin Grays with us

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Speaker 2: in ten minutes out of the UK. We're not talking

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01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 2: about this obviously, is everything you need to know about

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Speaker 2: that now? Twenty four away from seven together. Peter Lewis

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Speaker 2: Asia Business correspondent with us. Hey, Peter, Hello, Heather, Right,

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Speaker 2: what's India heck to say?

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Speaker 19: Then, well, they're not happy as you can imagine. Donald

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Speaker 19: Trump described them as being a dead economy. He BUCkies

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Speaker 19: in them along with Russia. He said, both dead economies

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Speaker 19: can go down together. As far as his concerns, it's

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Speaker 19: rather upended the relationship, first of all, because it's not

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Speaker 19: at least not true. I mean, if you look at

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Speaker 19: India's economic growth rates, it's one of the fastest in

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Speaker 19: the world. It's back to twenty twenty three. A couple

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Speaker 19: of years ago, it was growing over ninety percent right now.

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Speaker 19: Last year it grew about six and a half percent,

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Speaker 19: probably going to do the same again this year. So

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Speaker 19: it is one of the most sort of vitalized economies

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Speaker 19: in the world and as the Central Bank governor pointed

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Speaker 19: out India contributes about eighteen percent of global both compared

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Speaker 19: to just eleven percent for the US, so it's doing

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Speaker 19: very very well at the moment, and in fact that

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Speaker 19: this time. We've seen these growth spurts in India before

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Speaker 19: and they sometimes haven't really lasted, but this one is

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Speaker 19: definitely lasting because it is being accompanied by some quite

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Speaker 19: major reforms that are going on in the country to

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Speaker 19: try and open up various sectors for more foreign competition,

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Speaker 19: by trying to do things that are helping ease the

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Speaker 19: burden on Indian families, make it easier for Indian children

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Speaker 19: to get educated and to go into college. So there's

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Speaker 19: been some very major reforms, but none of that is

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Speaker 19: enough for Donald Trump, apparently. And this is a real

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Speaker 19: turnaround from where we were just a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 19: where Trump was describing Mody as a true friend and

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Speaker 19: Mody thought in turn he had a strong ally in

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Speaker 19: Donald Trump. And what this is doing is it's turning

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Speaker 19: the Indian Although all the political parties in India against Trump,

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Speaker 19: they are really uniting and condemning what they see is

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Speaker 19: economic bullying by the US government and also the people

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Speaker 19: of India. Also are very much united against this as well.

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Speaker 19: They simply do not want to face this sort of

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Speaker 19: economic coersion. So we're seeing really some of the long

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Speaker 19: term consequences of the way in which Trump throws tariffs around.

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Speaker 19: He uses them not just betrayed purposes, but he uses

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Speaker 19: them to bully countries for economic coercion against countries for

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Speaker 19: political purposes. And look what it's doing with Brazil, fifty

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Speaker 19: percent tariffs on Brazil because the former president there, who

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Speaker 19: is a friend of Trump's, has been indicted under their

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Speaker 19: legal system. So we're seeing here in broad daylight the

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Speaker 19: long term consequences of the way in which Trump is

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Speaker 19: conducting his economic policy and his trade policies around the world.

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Speaker 19: And it's forcing countries like India and China and Brazil together.

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Speaker 19: So the very thing Trump doesn't want, which is he

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Speaker 19: doesn't want he united bricks. He doesn't want countries getting

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Speaker 19: closer to China. That's his actly what's happening. It looks

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Speaker 19: like Modi now is going to make his first visits

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Speaker 19: to China in nine years as a result of this.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of the fact that stant out

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Speaker 2: of Japan that it recorded a million more deaths than

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Speaker 2: births last year.

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Speaker 19: Well, this is something that's been going on for a while,

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Speaker 19: over a decade now, and it's not just Japan, although

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Speaker 19: Japan I think he's probably got the worst demographics in

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Speaker 19: the world. But it's also happening in China, it's happening

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Speaker 19: in South Korea. And the problem is young people are

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Speaker 19: not getting married in the first place, partly because it's

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Speaker 19: too expensive. Young people are living at home till much

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Speaker 19: much longer, sometimes in their thirties, even in their forties

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Speaker 19: in some cases, and then they're not getting married and

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Speaker 19: they're not having children a game, partly because of the

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Speaker 19: cost of having children, and also the fact that in

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Speaker 19: Japan and still very recently, it was very hard to

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Speaker 19: get any sort of government support for childcare to help

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Speaker 19: women back into the workplace after they've had children, providing

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Speaker 19: support for children, preschool education, things like that. So they

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Speaker 19: make it very difficult for young people to get married

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Speaker 19: and have children, and they're simply just reflecting in many

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Speaker 19: ways the economics of doing that.

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Speaker 2: Peter, it's good to talk to you. We'll talk to

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Speaker 2: you again next week. You have yourself a lovely weekend.

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Speaker 2: That's Peter Lewis our Asia Business correspondent on the tariffs

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Speaker 2: that we've been lumped with. There is possibly a glimmer

1942
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Speaker 2: of hope for US in this right, because the biggest

1943
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Speaker 2: problem for US is the export of the beef to

1944
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Speaker 2: the US, where we're going to get slept with fifteen

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Speaker 2: percent and we're competing against the Australians who are going

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Speaker 2: to get slapt with only ten percent. Good ish news

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Speaker 2: for US, terrible for Brazil is thus lapped with more

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Speaker 2: than fifty percent tariffs, which means that and they explored

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Speaker 2: a fair amount of beef into the US, they become

1950
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Speaker 2: unaffut that you can't trade. You can't trade at that level,

1951
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Speaker 2: so they become unaffordable. And then as a result, who

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Speaker 2: takes their place? Well, hopefully well the Australians and hopefully

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Speaker 2: US too. Eighteen away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Good father do for sels zed B thinks.

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Speaker 2: So that okay, So all the bosses who work in

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Speaker 2: radio are radio nerds, which is probably a good thing.

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Speaker 2: It's good. It's good to know, good to know the

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Speaker 2: history of the place that you're work in. So completely unsolicited,

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Speaker 2: another boss has sent us an update on what z

1960
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Speaker 2: B stands for. Correct Z means it was government owned

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Speaker 2: b means that it was allowed to have commercial elements

1962
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Speaker 2: and had lots of restrictions like how much airtime they

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Speaker 2: were licensed to and blah blah blah. Z B was

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Speaker 2: only allowed to play for three hours a week on

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Speaker 2: a Monday. The other government brands had an a like

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Speaker 2: one YA, and they commercial free and could be on

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Speaker 2: air for a lot longer and more frequently. So there

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Speaker 2: if you go, if you oh, and then and then

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Speaker 2: and then of course if you're thinking that there was

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Speaker 2: what would we again? Was z B one one zaid

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Speaker 2: be one z B. That's what it was. So then

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Speaker 2: you had one ZB, two ZB, three ZIB, four ZB

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Speaker 2: and that denotes the different regions the country. So one

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Speaker 2: ZB is Auckland, two z B is Wellington, three z

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Speaker 2: B is Christians and four ZB is down in Dunedin.

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Speaker 2: So all of the numbers actually meant something in the end,

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Speaker 2: didn't they seventeen away from seven whether it's.

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Speaker 1: Macro Microbe or just playing economics, it's all on the

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Speaker 1: Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mas for Trusted

1980
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Speaker 1: Home Insurance Solutions use DOGB.

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Speaker 2: Hither there was even a ZB station on a train.

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Speaker 2: I think it was called seven z b and it

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Speaker 2: was mobile, Peter, that's fascinating, thank you. And also there

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Speaker 2: was a one z U says somebody else in Tomaranui.

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Speaker 2: Hither the Z stations were government commercial, the Y stations

1986
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Speaker 2: were government non commercial, and the X stations were independent.

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Speaker 2: What was an X station channel X one double xton

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Speaker 2: focus on or there we go, look at that ancient

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Speaker 2: That's how he knows that because he was born in

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Speaker 2: nineteen twenty one, fourteen away from seven and Gavin Gray

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Speaker 2: are UK correspondences with us. Elogevin, you're cruel, you are

1992
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Speaker 2: have that. But he's used to it though, so you

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Speaker 2: know I've been stockholm syndering him in him for years.

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Speaker 16: Gevin.

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Speaker 2: Now talk to me about Palestine Action and these dudes

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Speaker 2: are going to get arrested.

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Speaker 18: Yes, the police are warning exactly that. So Palestine Action

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Speaker 18: is a group here that supports Palestine and it is

1999
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Speaker 18: being ruled, however, to be a terrorist group here in

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Speaker 18: the UK over actions when they damaged and broke into

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Speaker 18: an RAF base and damaged to RAF aeroplanes, which infuriated

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Speaker 18: the government as well as slightly embarrassing them about the

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Speaker 18: lack of security around the base. But the group is

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Speaker 18: saying to have a massive gathering on Saturday tomorrow in London,

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Speaker 18: and the Metropolitan Police are saying, look, anyone sharing support

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Speaker 18: for the group can expect to be arrested now as

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Speaker 18: it's being advertised that hundreds of people are expecting to

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Speaker 18: turn out for the demonstration, then this could be messy

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Speaker 18: and very busy. And indeed there's also talk that the

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Speaker 18: group organizing the march and the gathering is saying, let's

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Speaker 18: really stretch the police resources that day to the very limit,

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Speaker 18: in other words, causing problems that way. They've denied that

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Speaker 18: is their aim, by the way, they just say it's

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Speaker 18: a peaceful protest. But either way, this belonging to this group,

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Speaker 18: membership of this group, it is banned under terrorism laws

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Speaker 18: and that means that membership or support for Palestine action

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Speaker 18: as a criminal offense punishable buy up to fourteen years

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Speaker 18: in prison. Such as the strictness of the terrorism legislation,

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Speaker 18: Let's see exactly how the police cope on Saturday. Incidentally,

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Speaker 18: on Sunday, the British Board of the Board of Deputies

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Speaker 18: of British Jews is marching as well onto Downing Street

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Speaker 18: and they're angry at the government saying it could recognize

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Speaker 18: the Palestinian state.

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Speaker 3: It's September.

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Speaker 2: Now, what is going on with the Chinese embassy, do

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Speaker 2: you think?

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Speaker 18: Very good question. When China put out plans for what

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Speaker 18: I can only describe as a super embassy in the

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Speaker 18: heart of the financial district in London, lots of people

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Speaker 18: were concerned and raising lots of questions about security. Now,

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Speaker 18: if it gets the go ahead, this super embassy in

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Speaker 18: the Royal Mint Court, in the heart of the UK's

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Speaker 18: financial institutions, there are fears for security because some believe

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Speaker 18: that China might try to infiltrate the UK's financial system

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Speaker 18: by tapping into five optic cables carrying very sensitive data

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Speaker 18: for firms in the City of London, all those financial

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Speaker 18: firms and so forth. This is a massive application because

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Speaker 18: it involves twenty thousand square meters. It would be the

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Speaker 18: largest embassy anywhere in Europe.

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Speaker 3: There is a.

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Speaker 18: Cultural center in there housing for two hundred staff. But

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Speaker 18: in the basement, behind security doors, there are rooms which

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Speaker 18: on the plans have no identified use and indeed large

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Speaker 18: parts of the plans are blacked out, you know, just

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Speaker 18: just left blank. And that is why the Deputy Prime

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Speaker 18: Minister Angela Rayner has given China and its planning representatives

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Speaker 18: two weeks to explain why parts of its plans for

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Speaker 18: a new mega embassy have.

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Speaker 6: Been blanked out.

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Speaker 18: They want to know what those blanks are and demanding

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Speaker 18: that before they go ahead, even threatening that a new

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Speaker 18: hard perimeter around the embassy site, which the Chinese saying

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Speaker 18: they need for security and to prevent unregulated public access

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Speaker 18: where that may need a separate planning application as well.

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Speaker 18: So this is not looking particularly good for relations between

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Speaker 18: the two countries.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, Now, do you think that the homelessness minister was

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Speaker 2: right to raise the money that raised the rent or not?

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Speaker 18: Well, there are ways of raising rent on a property

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Speaker 18: here that have been really tightened up by the current government.

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Speaker 18: They are trying to make it much more life, much

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Speaker 18: easier for tenants and much harder for landlords. And it's

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Speaker 18: been one of their main key pledges in their manifesto

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Speaker 18: that they have acted on now they're in power. So

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Speaker 18: when the Homelessness Minister Russianara Alley was said in the

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Speaker 18: newspaper to have had a couple of places to rent

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Speaker 18: out but one of them, she said that it was

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Speaker 18: alleged that she had moved tenants out of and then

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Speaker 18: a few weeks later relisted the property at a one

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Speaker 18: four hundred New Zealand dollars a month higher rental value.

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Speaker 18: In other words, that there was the allegation she'd deliberately

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Speaker 18: kicked out the tenants, got them out, waited a little bit,

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Speaker 18: and then deliberately hiked the rent up. Now, of course

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Speaker 18: tenants and landlords. Landlords can charge what they want, but

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Speaker 18: in this country it's illegal to kick people out in

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Speaker 18: order to put the rent up like that, and so consequently,

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Speaker 18: I think it was a matter of time before she

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Speaker 18: had to step down. And indeed she's also on homelessness charities,

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Speaker 18: so the opposition party saying she's got to go for

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Speaker 18: those this is deep hypocrisy. Now she said, no, no, no,

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Speaker 18: What I was doing was I was trying to sell

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Speaker 18: the property. So I said to them, look, I'm trying

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Speaker 18: to sell it. They moved out voluntarily. I couldn't sell

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Speaker 18: the property, so then I re rented it. But yes

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Speaker 18: I did put the price up. Either way, it looked

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Speaker 18: really bad on the government and really bad on her.

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Speaker 2: It really does. Kevin, you have yourself a lovely weekend.

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Speaker 2: We'll check to you on Monday. Look after yourself, Kevin

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Speaker 2: Gray are UK corresponding here that the phone number eight

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Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is because they'd be broadcast on

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. You sound it make it sound like

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Speaker 2: that's an hysteric thing. Si'd be is still on eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty or ten eighty. What am I talking about?

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Speaker 2: Ten eighty am? Eight away from seven?

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Speaker 1: It's the hitherto for see Alan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: I've been meaning to tell you, by the way, it's

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Speaker 2: six away from seven. Be meaning to tell you, by

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Speaker 2: the way that the climate protesters. I love a climate protest,

2100
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 2: ah to see who turns up, what they're up to,

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01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 2: what's got their goat today? They've been protesting. It's outside

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Speaker 2: the A and Z banks nationwide. The problem is that

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Speaker 2: A and Z banks Bathurst Resources, which is the country's

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Speaker 2: largest coal mining group, and the climate protests want them

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Speaker 2: to basically stop the banking for Bathhurst Resources. And as

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Speaker 2: a result of these climate protesters sitting outside the branches

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Speaker 2: and stuff, they even had to A and Z actually

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Speaker 2: had to close its Dunedin branch today because there were

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Speaker 2: just too many protesters blocking the doors. They had to

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Speaker 2: get the coppers out, so that coppers had to clear

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Speaker 2: the protesters so the staff could get in. But you

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Speaker 2: can't be wasting police resources, I suppose forever on that

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff when we've got a shortage of them

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Speaker 2: in too much crime and stuff. So they just had

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Speaker 2: to close the branch down for the day. Chloe was

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Speaker 2: out at the Wellington One having a wonderful time, and

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Speaker 2: actually Rosemary penn Warden turned up at one of them.

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Speaker 2: Do you know you remember Rosemary? Rosemary was one of

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Speaker 2: the recidivius hand gluers in Wellington when they were doing

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Speaker 2: when they were going crazy about the trains maybe that

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Speaker 2: restore passenger rail and all of us were like, what

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Speaker 2: that's out of them, that's random, okay, hanging off the

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Speaker 2: gan trees and stuff. Rosemary was there and if I

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Speaker 2: remember correctly, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think

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Speaker 2: Rosemary was busted by the police and taken to court

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Speaker 2: and then they were like you're on bail, don't go again,

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Speaker 2: and Rosemary is like, you can't do anything to me,

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Speaker 2: and she went back and then they were like no,

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Speaker 2: we can't do anything to your in mind, it's okay,

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Speaker 2: off you go Rosemary, because Rosemaries are really nice. She's

2131
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Speaker 2: a nice granny, and so they just led her off.

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Speaker 2: And then she was also the one who got busted

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Speaker 2: sending the fake letter canceling the oil industry conference, remember that,

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Speaker 2: And they was like ten years jail, No, you could go.

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Speaker 2: Rosemary's all right. Rosemary just gets out of jail or

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Speaker 2: she avoids the jail all the time. Anyway, she said

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Speaker 2: she is now a spokesperson. May have been this whole

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Speaker 2: time for KLA Climate Liberation out here at Rosemary Penwalden said,

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Speaker 2: it's a freaking climate emergency. So there you go, a

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Speaker 2: freaking climate emergency.

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Speaker 22: Ants everyone loves freaking at the moment, a special request

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Speaker 22: for our end of so end of show song tonight

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Speaker 22: our longtime podcast boss here at News Talks, there'd be

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Speaker 22: Ethan Sills. It's his last day today. He's been with

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Speaker 22: the business about ten years since he started as an

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Speaker 22: intern for The Herald. If you've listened to Paula Bennett's podcast,

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Speaker 22: to Francesca Rudkins podcast, to Chelsea Daniels's daily podcast, or

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Speaker 22: that once she did on Polking Horn, a cues Ethan Sills.

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Speaker 22: He had his fingerprints all over those in the behind

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Speaker 22: the scenes and basically all the other podcasts we've done

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Speaker 22: who said be. He's a very hard worker, he's dedicated

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Speaker 22: to getting things right. We're very sad to be losing him,

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Speaker 22: and he absolutely loves Kylie Minogue. So we're going out

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Speaker 22: with Yeah, cannot. I don't think I know anyone who's

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Speaker 22: more a fan of Kylie Minogue than him, So get

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Speaker 22: out of my way of her twenty ten album, Alfred

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Speaker 22: Iety is what we're going out with tonight.

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Speaker 2: Edglie's got a Kylie Minogue book which we've been reading,

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Speaker 2: and Kylie's Kylie's Did you know that she was the

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Speaker 2: first pop artist to female pop artist to have I

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Speaker 2: think it was a hit single in five decades in

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Speaker 2: a row, so not just the beautiful bird but actually

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Speaker 2: quite accomplished. So anyway, Khaki teh Ethan and you'll win this.

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Speaker 2: Come home soon from London. See you next week

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