1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty unparalleled reach 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 1: and results. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: On the Huddle of That's this evening, We've got Jack 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 2: dam Q and a host host of Saturday Mornings here 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: on ZI'DB and Phullo Riley Iron Duke Partners and former 6 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: Boss of Business New Zealand High Lads, Hey, you are you? 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: Are you a better jack? You're gonna put any money 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: on the game? 9 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 3: Nah? Does that surprise you at all? I'm just I'm 10 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: not someone who gambles at all. 11 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: I'm just rational. Oh no, I love a fluster. If 12 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 2: I bet it's a good thing, it doesn't work. What 13 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 2: about you, Phil? 14 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 4: I won't bet on this one, but I do bet occasionally. 15 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 4: My biggest winning bet was at a white Kato race 16 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 4: when I was given the tip by the blake who 17 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 4: opens the door of the stand and the white coat 18 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 4: gave you a tip and I won a thousand bucks 19 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 4: and I was very hard. 20 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: How much did you put on? 21 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 4: Oh, fly buck? It was a big like it was 22 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 4: you know, you look back at it, you know there 23 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 4: was a distinct smell of brow cream about this blake. 24 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 4: So obviously hang out on the race track while a 25 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 4: lot knew what he was talking about, so I took 26 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 4: the right advice. But that's my biggest winning bet, taking 27 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 4: advice from my boke and a white cape. 28 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: Good from you. 29 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: And they have split loyalties at all? 30 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: Who me, Well, not really, I want Raiser to win. Okay, Yeah, 31 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: I'm backing Razor because I've really put a lot of 32 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: my own credibility into Raiser, being the guy. 33 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 3: I thought you put a low of your own credit there, 34 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 3: and you were going everything. 35 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 5: You Obviously it goes without saying, so I have a 36 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 5: big expectations. Speaking of expectations, phil is Darlene out performing 37 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 5: your expectations and how much grief she's giving the Greens? 38 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 4: You just you just hold your head, don't you. You 39 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 4: just think what's going on here? The Greens surely should 40 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 4: have done some work in the background about what the 41 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 4: legals were about going forward and what they were doing. 42 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 4: They should have taken legal advice about the way forward. 43 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 4: That's what any sensible party or sensible organization would do. 44 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 4: What are the options here? What the other party do? 45 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 4: And they've now thought and now gun by by Darlene, 46 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 4: and and it carries on and who's the loser out 47 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 4: of this? The poor old textpayer just paying for all 48 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 4: stuff going on here? 49 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: And what are we paying for? 50 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 4: Phil though? 51 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: Because I can't quite get my head around it. 52 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: So I don't think we pay for Darlene's legal action? 53 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: Do we do? We do? 54 00:01:58,680 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: We think we do? 55 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 4: Oh don't know about that, and she I thought we 56 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 4: might actually because it's a maybe not but we're certainly 57 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 4: paying a salary and she doesn't exactly sort of turn 58 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 4: up on the parliament. 59 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: But come on, well it's not. It's not like the 60 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 2: next number fourteen or whatever on the Green Party is 61 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: going to be some sort of a rock star. They're 62 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: also going to be a space feller who cares. 63 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 4: But they will be a member of Parliament operating on 64 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 4: the Green Party, which is what our system does. And 65 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 4: so you know, I just you just hold your head 66 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 4: that it's just turning into this kind of this joke 67 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 4: that's going on. And to your point previously doesn't it 68 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 4: doesn't tell me the Greens are going great as a 69 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 4: party right now. They just they really do. 70 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: Jack, what do you understand about who's paying her bills? 71 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: I just that was my understanding that if she was, 72 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 3: if she was going to try and block this, that 73 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 3: it might be on her rather than on the taxpayer, 74 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 3: but I don't I'm not an authority on that, so 75 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 3: I don't want to be quite a but that was 76 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: just my that was my understanding of are you. 77 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: Impressed with her? 78 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's like, I don't know, well, she 79 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: looks's certainly digging in her heels. I just think I 80 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: just think it's remarkable that you have a go that 81 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: at least through many of through the leans of many 82 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 3: in the Green Party. This would be like such a 83 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: prime opportunity to be a really effective opposition party. Like 84 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: you have to draft and missions plan out the moment, 85 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 3: you have the fast tracing legislation, you have you know, 86 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 3: guess you have all of this stuff. But the only 87 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: thing that the party is talking about is whether or 88 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: not to kick out Darling Tanner. I honestly don't think 89 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: it would honestly make a massive difference to them if 90 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: she was there or if she wasn't there. But the 91 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 3: fact that it's the only thing they are talking about 92 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 3: and they still haven't managed to decide exactly where they're 93 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: going to stand, I just think it would they have. 94 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: Actually been better off just leaving her to it and 95 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: just not picking. 96 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: Well, I reckon there's a good argument for sometimes just 97 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: not drawing attention to things, and that we and media 98 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: sometimes are seduced by giving attention to things that we 99 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: shouldn't otherwise as well. You know, I've said this to 100 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: you before. When I think of like some of the 101 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: rhetoric coming from political parties like to Party Mardi this year, 102 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe if we actually didn't kick up a 103 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 3: huge fuss about these MPs using the term genocide for example, 104 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: that actually it wouldn't be an effective measure for those 105 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: MPs to go and use that because they know that 106 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 3: it's going to get a reaction. They know it's going 107 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: to stir us up. And sometimes I think, you know, 108 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: for from the Green's perspective, even though I reckon they 109 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: should have probably want a jump Darling Towner pretty early 110 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 3: if they just ignored it, would any of us be 111 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: talking about it today? 112 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 2: No, this is a very good point, phil, isn't it. 113 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: They should have just let her quit and sit there 114 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 2: in Siberia and nobody talked to her. Ever again she's 115 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: going to vote the meanings. 116 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: Of course, you saw that. You saw the the some 117 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 4: of those labor people go to the Marray Party for 118 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: the last election. So I mean, there is a there 119 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 4: is a constitutional issue here, but I agree they could 120 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 4: just as easily left her erector out there, but she 121 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 4: would have gone off to the Marray Party and she 122 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 4: would have created further, you know, difficulty for them, and 123 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 4: the Marray Party would have talked that up, and so 124 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 4: I suspect that's what would happen. 125 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: So although they said that they had to get conversations 126 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: with her, sorry Phil, that that just to be they 127 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 3: I've asked to Party Maldi a couple of times about this, 128 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 3: and they've said that they had had no conversations with 129 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 3: Darling Tanner about who going across. Whether or not that's 130 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 3: still the case, I don't know. But then the conversations 131 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: I've had with their leadership, they've said, no, we've had 132 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: no conversations at all. 133 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we'll take a break. We'll come back 134 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: very shortly. 135 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand South Beast International Realty Exceptional 136 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: marketing for every property. 137 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 2: Back with a huddle, Jack, tame fellow Riley, Jack, how 138 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: are you feeling about the parking fines going up? 139 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 3: Okay, the thing that has shot me totally fine about 140 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: fines going up, and honestly, I reckon that should be 141 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 3: your challenge. Find me someone who's going to argue against 142 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: raising the fines against people who parking to say. 143 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: We'll go. 144 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: But it's all of them, it's not just that I know. 145 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 3: But find me one, because that's the one that's like 146 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: most extreme right set and fifty bucks. See if there's 147 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 3: one person in New Zealand who will argue against that, 148 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: I'd be fascinated to know what their argument would be. 149 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 3: The thing that has fascinated me about this, though, is 150 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: who knew there were thirty seven thirty seven different things 151 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 3: you can be fined for for parking. I never knew 152 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: that fark parking fines were so specific. So you get 153 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,239 Speaker 3: fined for different things. If you're supposed to be parking 154 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: on an angle and you didn't park on an angle, 155 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: you get fined. If you are between zero and thirty 156 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: minutes over due, you get parked. To find all sorts 157 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 3: of different things right. 158 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: Also, I think when you park a vehicle on a 159 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 2: foot path or cycle path for seventy dollars fine, that's 160 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: when you just pause, you uber driver, who did that 161 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 2: to me yesterday? Do you think that that's when you 162 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: just pause. Or is it like actual parking? 163 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's actual parking. 164 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: Oh bug up, you can't use it. Yeah, I mean I. 165 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: Need a PhD to even digesting right the whole table. 166 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: I mean, it's still I'm on board with this because 167 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: I want my counsel to sweet that asset, get some 168 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: money out of it so I don't have to pay 169 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: more race. 170 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 4: What's amazing. What's amazing is how is it that the 171 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 4: ministers make announcements about parking fines? What other country does that. 172 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 4: It's an extraordinary thought, isn't It wasn't even to where 173 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 4: the government set them. But I guess if they let 174 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 4: the councilors do it, some of them might even do 175 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 4: crazy stuff. I think we actually argue that we need 176 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 4: to be cautious about the seven hundred and fifty dollar 177 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 4: fine because that's actually going to be more than speeding. 178 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 4: Some speeding fines quite a few speedings, actually, and I 179 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 4: think speeding is more dangerous than parking a disabled carpack, 180 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 4: So we just need to be a bit cautious about that. 181 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 2: And Phil, that's obviously that's obviously them sucking up to 182 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 2: the disabled community. 183 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 4: After this this was my was my semicism. This was 184 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 4: my semicism about it. Where you've got the minister having 185 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 4: just annoyed the disabled community, heably argument with him. Now 186 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: she makes the costless announcements saying I'm on your side, 187 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 4: I'm going to put the fines up, and I just think, really, 188 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 4: I'm not sure that that's a good idea. 189 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, playing politics is always a bit yucky. 190 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: But I mean, as Jack says, who's going to argue 191 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: against it? Well, actually, did we just find out guy 192 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: who's arguing against it? 193 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 4: Yeah? 194 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 3: Well that was a pretty good Ardea like it. 195 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, we just need to be cautious about the level 196 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 4: of fines for different things that actually they reflect the 197 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 4: danger of what's going on here. And I'm not suggesting 198 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 4: you should park in a disabled pack. What I am 199 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 4: saying is we need to be cautious about so we're 200 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 4: we're going to find you more for that than we 201 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: might do for for example, a low level drug events. 202 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 4: And I not the finest, but you should be thinking 203 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 4: about those kinds of issues as well. Attends to be 204 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 4: public danger. 205 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: Jack, how long? No, I won't ask it like that. 206 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: Jinny Anderson A, how bad? Was that? 207 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 3: Pretty bad? Pretty cheeky, and I just feel like, I mean, 208 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 3: as a journal I've got a bit excited by some 209 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: numbers from time to time, right, And you can see 210 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: how there's an honest way to have made that mistake. 211 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 3: I think Ginny Anders's problem is that she's she is 212 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 3: really enthusiastic, as like in the opposition role, a little 213 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: too enthusiastic on a couple of occasions, and so maybe, 214 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe this is another reason that she 215 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 3: just needs to take a breath. I mean, yeah, if 216 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: you look at the numbers and you look at an 217 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: annual context, clearly there's a massive spike every December. So 218 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: that's pretty easy to debunk her message. But yeah, not 219 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: a great lot. 220 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: What do you reckon film? 221 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 4: Well, I have attle bit of time for Ginny. She 222 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 4: finds she's actually quite engaging and quite positive, so you know, 223 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 4: she's you know, she's not some some sort of ideologue. 224 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 4: But you know, the worst thing here was she said 225 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 4: it was a bit of a dumb and dumber sort 226 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 4: of moment, wasn't She sort of did it and then 227 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 4: she carried on with it when it was pointed out 228 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 4: to her. She could have gone, oh oops, oh yeah, sorry, 229 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 4: but that yeah, I know you're right about that, and 230 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 4: just just withdrawn and moved on. Yeah, but she kind 231 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 4: of she should have said something that improved that she 232 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: looked every time she opened the mouth, she looked she 233 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 4: was proving that she was being duplicitous about you know, 234 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 4: been misleading about the statements. She just should have withdrawn 235 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 4: and said, look, good point, sorry that I didn't misunderstand those, 236 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 4: and we move on, because there's so many other things. 237 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 4: This is the point Jack and made early on. There's 238 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 4: so many other things that you can get into the 239 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 4: government for right now if you're a sensible opposition and 240 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 4: you're a bit smart about it. And they chose that one, 241 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 4: why did they do that. Let's let Mark mitchall have 242 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 4: a have a free pass at them, have a free kick. 243 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 4: Just madness. 244 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: Really, I think that's a very fair point. The thing 245 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: for Ginny now, Jack, is that she is going to 246 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 2: have to be so careful and accurate from here on in. 247 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 248 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean she's, like I say, there've been a 249 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: couple of instances in opposition right where she's probably just 250 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 3: got a bit ahead of herself, a bit excited in 251 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: a moment or whatever, and yeah, yeah, I mean, the 252 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 3: thing is too that if you can be more precise 253 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 3: in opposition, your arguments have that much more weight, They're 254 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 3: that much more effective, right, and so like, if this 255 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: had been true, for example, that would be really significant 256 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 3: and that'd be a great point. But the problem is 257 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: now that she's kind of undermined her own credibility at 258 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 3: least for a bit. So yeah, like you say, she's 259 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: going to have to be really really careful and precise 260 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: the next time she comes out. 261 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. 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