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Speaker 1: Into Bradio UK correspondents with us.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey Inda, Hey Heather, great to speak to you again.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of Hugh Edward's avoiding jail.

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Speaker 2: I think it's disgraceful really, if you ask me. He look,

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Speaker 2: we're in a position now where there's basically no prison

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Speaker 2: spaces left. That is how bad everything that Keir Starmer

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Speaker 2: has inherited from the Conservatives. There's no more room left

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Speaker 2: in prison now. That wasn't mentioned in court yesterday, but

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Speaker 2: it was possibly a factor at the back of the

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Speaker 2: magistrate's mind. He initially said that, you know, this offense

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Speaker 2: was so serious it would deserve twelve months in prison. However,

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Speaker 2: he had pleaded guilty at the earliest opportunity, and on

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Speaker 2: top of that there were mitigating factors like his mental

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Speaker 2: health and alcohol consumption and his struggles with his sexuality.

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Speaker 2: So the end result was he got six months suspended

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Speaker 2: prison suspended for two years. But his career is over.

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Speaker 2: It ends in disgrace. He can't go anywhere, and I

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Speaker 2: know it was last week on his LinkedIn he very

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Speaker 2: briefly put up a message saying that he will be

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Speaker 2: prepared to work for charities for free and nobody would

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Speaker 2: have that was taken down a few hours later. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I take the argument about the jails

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Speaker 1: being full, because they are, But you know, it's only

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Speaker 1: about six weeks ago or five weeks ago that you

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Speaker 1: guys were popping people in jail for saying nasty things online.

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Speaker 1: How on earth have you got to the point where

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Speaker 1: you go to jail for something like that, but you

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Speaker 1: don't go to jail for watching kiddie porn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, precisely. Look, it's a very very good point and

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Speaker 2: it's hard to argue against that. You know, there was

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Speaker 2: a woman who got fifteen months for what she wrote

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Speaker 2: on Facebook, fifteen months for a Facebook post, and he's

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Speaker 2: basically trading or sending about three thousand dollars to a

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Speaker 2: convicted sex offender for grotesque images of children as young

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Speaker 2: as seven, and he has managed to not go to prison.

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of anger about it. But I

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Speaker 2: just I'm staggered at the fall from Grace. We have

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Speaker 2: never known anything like it. This was the guy who

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Speaker 2: broke the news of the Queen's death, This was the

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Speaker 2: guy who anchored UK election coverage. He was the king

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Speaker 2: of the BBC newsroom and now he's basically a convicted

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Speaker 2: sex offender.

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Speaker 1: Terrible, why standing by him?

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Speaker 2: He's wearing his wedding ring. We don't know. We were

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Speaker 2: told that they had split, but he went into court

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Speaker 2: yesterday wearing a wedding ring, so we simply don't know.

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Speaker 2: But then people in the industry are just horrified. I

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Speaker 2: mean it is a spectacular fall from grace.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy is like uber famous in the UK.

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Speaker 1: If you were in this position, wouldn't you just leave

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Speaker 1: the country? Like he just needs to leave the country,

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Speaker 1: doesn't he.

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Speaker 2: He does, Yeah, I don't know where he'll go. But look,

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Speaker 2: if he has any remorse, if he's truly remorseful, he

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Speaker 2: needs to reply to the BBC Director General who's asked

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Speaker 2: for four hundred thousand dollars of salary back because the

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Speaker 2: BBC were stupid enough to keep paying him after he

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Speaker 2: got arrested. I mean questions about the leadership of the

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Speaker 2: BBC as well. I mean, show some courage, so show

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Speaker 2: some moral duty. If a guy has been arrested for

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Speaker 2: heenous allegations, get rid, don't keep paying him. He was

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Speaker 2: on nearly nine hundred thousand then z I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: just so many questions.

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Speaker 1: Is part of the reason why they did that, because

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Speaker 1: I was just reflecting about this earlier that at the

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Speaker 1: start it did not seem nearly as grim as what

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Speaker 1: we are dealing with now. I mean, at the start

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Speaker 1: it was just a kind of embarrassing photo online and

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Speaker 1: he'd been talking to and getting photos from a kid

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Speaker 1: who was too young, but legal what we're doing with not.

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Speaker 2: Hang on, hang on. He wasn't arrested over that. He

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Speaker 2: was arrested because South Wales Police had this in their net.

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Speaker 2: They got this sex offender who had a horrible interest

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Speaker 2: in children. So it's too complete. Yes, yes he was.

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Speaker 2: He was arrested as part of this. The senior management

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Speaker 2: knew about this, so the two things were completely separate.

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Speaker 2: The first one was bad enough and terrible as it was,

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Speaker 2: with you know, front page news and the mother of

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Speaker 2: the young boy saying, you know, this man to stop

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Speaker 2: contacting my child for indecent images, and then he gets

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Speaker 2: arrested because South Wales Police had got all the electronic

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Speaker 2: devices from this sex offender and guess who he's been

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Speaker 2: swapping images with and receiving money from. Terrible Jesus grim

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