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Speaker 1: Now onto something else altogether, and by the way, happy

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Speaker 1: with your thoughts on it. Happy to hear what's happened today.

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Speaker 1: The government's writing up rules for online casino operators. These

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Speaker 1: guys are currently unregulated in the country. Any company offering

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Speaker 1: online gambling in New Zealand will have to have a license,

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Speaker 1: and those who operate without one could be punished with

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Speaker 1: a fine of up to five million dollars. There are

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Speaker 1: also the usual age restrictions in play and so on.

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Speaker 1: Brook van Walden is the Internal affairsman to stand with us. Now,

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Speaker 1: Hey Brook, Hey, Heather, Now, what are you trying to do.

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Speaker 1: Are you trying to regulate existing online gamblers who are

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Speaker 1: overseas or are you trying to create a framework to

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Speaker 1: regulate online gamblers based here in New Zealand who might

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Speaker 1: start up.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, we're trying to do a little bit of both.

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Speaker 2: So at the moment it's a bit of a wild

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Speaker 2: West out there with online casino gambling. There's around a

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Speaker 2: couple of thousand online platforms that kiwis could go to

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Speaker 2: at any time. They can't advertise in New Zealand. But

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Speaker 2: the important thing here is all of that money that's

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Speaker 2: generated as going overseas, so they're getting the benefits, but

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Speaker 2: we're getting all the risks, all the harm So what

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Speaker 2: we're doing is regulating that market and saying, look, we

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Speaker 2: do want to have harmonimization standards so that there might

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Speaker 2: be up to fifteen licensed operators that can play in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. But if you are one of those New

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Speaker 2: Zealanders who does want to play, you actually know that

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Speaker 2: these are safe services to be using. You can get

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Speaker 2: your money and your withdrawals. We know that the advertising

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Speaker 2: that they'll be using will be safe for children. But importantly,

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Speaker 2: we are one of the last countries in the OECD

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Speaker 2: to be regulating this type of market, so we seem

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Speaker 2: to be at the moment not getting any of the

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Speaker 2: tax benefit, but just getting all the risk of problem gambling.

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Speaker 1: Why are you only going for fifteen licenses.

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Speaker 2: Well, what we're doing here is striking a reasonable balance

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Speaker 2: between having a competitive market where it's not just one

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Speaker 2: or two or a monopoly. So we have competition in

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Speaker 2: the market, but we're also restricting it enough so that

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Speaker 2: when we do have advertising and we have a regulator

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Speaker 2: looking after, this market not so overwhelming for the regulator

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Speaker 2: that it just hundreds and hundreds, we'd end up with

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Speaker 2: one of the largest regulators in the country and I

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Speaker 2: don't think that's good for New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Now, how are you going to get Have you come

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Speaker 1: up with a smart way to figure out whether someone

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Speaker 1: is old enough to be gambling?

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Speaker 2: Well, under our current gambling laws, there's a range of

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Speaker 2: different ages and one of the important things here is

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Speaker 2: that we're aligning with the age of eighteen, which is

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Speaker 2: pretty standard.

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Speaker 1: How do you go how do these guys operating the

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Speaker 1: site know that I am actually over eighteen?

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Speaker 2: Well, that'll be what the regulator will be figuring out.

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Speaker 2: When you've got these people going for their license or

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Speaker 2: bidding to get one of the licenses to be a

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Speaker 2: provider in New Zealand, they'll need to work with DEA

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Speaker 2: before they get that license to ensure that they have

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Speaker 2: age verification system that DIA is happy with. But it's

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Speaker 2: not something new. It's something that casino games currently already

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Speaker 2: do and is quite commonly used across.

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Speaker 1: The rest of the old casino games.

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Speaker 2: Casino games are random number generated games that are for

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Speaker 2: a profit, so very different for you know, if you're

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Speaker 2: just sitting at home, you know, with your own fake

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Speaker 2: little money account playing with your friends. This is actually

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Speaker 2: to derive a profit.

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Speaker 1: And how do casino games verify you age?

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Speaker 2: Well, at the moment, anyone who walks into a casino.

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Speaker 1: Online, it's not an online thing. This is actually going

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Speaker 1: into a casino.

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Speaker 2: Well at the moment, other countries have age verification for

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Speaker 2: online games and de i A has been working.

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Speaker 1: And how do they do it? How do they do it? Brook?

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone would expect me to be But

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Speaker 2: what I do know is that the systems around the

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Speaker 2: world that.

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Speaker 1: Do allow this to This is funder me. Intel to

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Speaker 1: this working, isn't It is fundamental to it working that

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Speaker 1: we know that the people who are actually gambling are

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Speaker 1: old enough to be gambling. So you can't sort of

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Speaker 1: to have to nut this one out, aren't you.

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Speaker 2: No. I think what's really important here is at the moment,

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Speaker 2: anybody can go online play thousands of different regulated games

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand. It is a bit of a wild West.

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Speaker 2: We're saying, Look, if you want to be one of

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Speaker 2: these reputable licensed operators, there'll be fifteen or up to

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Speaker 2: fifteen in New Zealand. Yeah, you need to have an

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Speaker 2: age verification system that DIA as the regulator, believes is

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Speaker 2: accurate and will actually protect children from not going on

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Speaker 2: to those websites. If they can't share the IA of that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they won't get a license. Okay, that's much better than

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Speaker 2: the current system that we are operating under now.

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Speaker 1: Totally. I just I'm slightly I'm starting to get frustrated

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Speaker 1: by us not knowing the details of these kinds of things,

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Speaker 1: but I get that we've got a way to go.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll see what they come up with.

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Speaker 2: Brook.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, I appreciate it. Brook, then Velden Internal Fees Minister.

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