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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather dup c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 2: to coverage like no one else, News Talks and b.

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Speaker 3: Good Afternoons. You coming up on the show today. It

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Speaker 3: looks like Trump is prepping for a ground invasion of

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Speaker 3: some sort. How long does that threaten to drag this

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Speaker 3: all out for We're going to get to the US

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Speaker 3: for analysis. Also going to find out a little bit

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Speaker 3: more about these sovereign citizens like the guy shot dead

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Speaker 3: in Australia. Question for you is pork art or is

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Speaker 3: each a vandal? Vandalizing other people's stuff? And Ledley King,

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Speaker 3: the former Tottenham Hotspurs captain on playing Auckland FC Good.

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Speaker 1: Heather duplic Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Jeez, that old Allen G terminal idea didn't didn't last

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Speaker 3: very long, did it? Seven weeks? That's it, from the

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Speaker 3: minute they announced it on the ninth of February to

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Speaker 3: the first knife they stuck in it today, seven weeks

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Speaker 3: to the day. Now before you come at me arguing

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Speaker 3: that the LNG terminal hasn't been killed, yes it has.

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Speaker 3: It is dead. The Herald report this morning that multiple

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Speaker 3: mint as a privately admitting that they may have to

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Speaker 3: kill the project. Did not happen by accident. This is

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Speaker 3: one oh one of how you start killing off an

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Speaker 3: idea in politics. You start slowly, and by the time

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Speaker 3: you get around to actually killing it at about let's

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Speaker 3: say three months, two or three months, people have got

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Speaker 3: got used to that idea. And then the morning, the

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Speaker 3: fact that the Prime Minister was on this morning talking

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Speaker 3: to Mike and not sounding super enthusiastic, I think should

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Speaker 3: have backed up that suspicion. I mean, you could say,

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Speaker 3: if you could pick me up on anything here, it's

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Speaker 3: that it's not one hundred percent dead. There's always a

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Speaker 3: chance something changes and it slips through. But I say

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Speaker 3: the chances of death, I'd put that at around about

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Speaker 3: eighty to ninety percent today. And it's not for the

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Speaker 3: reasons by the way that we're being told, which are

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Speaker 3: that gas prices are too high because of Operation Epic Fury.

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Speaker 3: We already knew seven weeks ago that an LNG terminal

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Speaker 3: would be at the mercy of international gas prices. That

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Speaker 3: was one of the main warnings about the thing. Currently,

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Speaker 3: we paid domestic gas prices a minute you start importing it,

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Speaker 3: you're paying international prices. The real reason that this is

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Speaker 3: being cut is because it was never a good idea,

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Speaker 3: and I think they had to run it out to

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Speaker 3: really realize how many people think it's a bad idea.

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Speaker 3: One billion dollars for what is essentially a short term

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Speaker 3: fix is a hell of a lot of money, and

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Speaker 3: that's assuming by the way that it is built to

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Speaker 3: the quote, it might cost a lot more than a

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Speaker 3: billion dollars if we know what infrastructure projects in this

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Speaker 3: country do. And it is a short term fix because

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Speaker 3: unless we suddenly strike a massive gas find in the

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Speaker 3: next few months, this country is going to have to

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Speaker 3: wean itself off gas. You are gonna have to stop

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Speaker 3: using gas. You're gonna have to start using something else.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, but probably electricity in

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Speaker 3: your house, and industrial and commercial uses, something else altogether.

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Speaker 3: Storing gas in a terminal was only ever going to

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Speaker 3: be for that transition while we wind ourselves off. That's

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Speaker 3: a lot of money to pay for transition, plus forcing

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Speaker 3: us to pay for it with an aling levy was

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Speaker 3: political toxin in a cost of living crisis. So it's

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Speaker 3: double political toxin in a cost of living crisis that

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Speaker 3: just got supercharged by a war in Iran. So consider

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Speaker 3: the one. I would say already dead because it was

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Speaker 3: never a good idea. Nine ninety two is the text number.

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Speaker 3: Standard text fees apply. We'll talk to the huddle about

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Speaker 3: that when they're with us. Just after half past five. Now,

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Speaker 3: the Education Review Office wants us to take a little

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Speaker 3: It says only half of secondary students are actually following

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Speaker 3: phones and tell the parents. Ruth Schanoda is the ERO

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Speaker 3: Chief Review Officer and with us now, Hi, Ruth, Hi,

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Speaker 3: what do you reckon? I mean, if the compliance lifts

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Speaker 3: once the parents are told, are the parents actually the

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Speaker 4: I hate to say that.

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Speaker 4: So we're finding that like getting phones out of the

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Speaker 4: classroom makes a huge difference. So we know it improves

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Speaker 4: focus to serves. The teacher says, it improves achievement and

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Speaker 4: really encourage with me, it reduces bullying. We know in

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Speaker 4: primary nine out of ten students are complying. So when

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Speaker 3: So is so this is basically a pleading from you

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? We're saying to parents, please back teacher. School are

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Speaker 4: doing an amazing job here. They've got rules, they've got consequences,

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Speaker 4: and what they need is parents to stop contacting the children.

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Speaker 4: That's all of us, myself included, to stop contacting our

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Speaker 4: kids during the school day. Let's go back to the

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Speaker 4: days when you know, if the kid forgets their tea kit,

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Speaker 4: they borrow someone else's. If they want to meet you

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Speaker 4: up after school, they've arranged that in advance and only

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Speaker 4: in an emergency with parents phone the school and they

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Speaker 3: What are you contacting your children for, Ruth.

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Speaker 4: Well, I have to put my hand up here before

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Speaker 4: I did this, you know, like many other parents, it

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Speaker 4: would be the reminder OBVIU seeing you at four o'clock

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Speaker 4: them going oh my god, I've forgot my lunch. You know,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And then I've done this research,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, Okay, that's got to stop. Because how

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Speaker 4: you know, when we look at this, we talk to

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Speaker 4: to teach them a complicated long division question, if they're

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Speaker 4: sitting with their phone right next to them, maybe sneaky

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Speaker 4: not going to do their long division question and they're

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Speaker 4: not going to learn how to. So now I've learned

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Speaker 4: the error of my ways, I'm just leading for other

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Speaker 4: parents to do the same. Let's go back to the ways.

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Speaker 3: How hard was the transition for yourself and your kids

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Speaker 3: to go cold turkey on the phones during school time?

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Speaker 4: So what's actually really encouraging from this research is showing

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Speaker 4: that it's one of those things. If every parent does it,

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Speaker 4: just take the phone off the kids when they walk in,

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Speaker 4: then encouraging me, they're saying that kids stop asking their

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, does it really matter though whither the kids

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Speaker 3: most part be outside of the educational stuff at school. Right,

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Speaker 3: So when they're going to the bathroom, when they're going

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Speaker 3: is that really that bigger problem.

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Speaker 4: It's still happened in the class And that's what students

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Speaker 4: are saying, why they break the rules and don't comply

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Speaker 4: from which to compact their friends. But most of it

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Speaker 4: matter if we can get phones out. Teachers are saying

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Speaker 4: that behavior is improving, bullying's going down. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 4: it's not enough in itself. We also heard an increasing

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Speaker 4: concern about wearables alf as secondary teachers are saying wearables

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Speaker 4: For those are those watches which they can also get

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Speaker 4: on their other devices, and teachers are saying, come on it,

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Speaker 4: can we just get them on the learning.

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Speaker 3: The other devices being laptops because somebody sticks me and

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Speaker 3: said it's not the phones, it's actually the laptops and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so once you've taken the phones, that was the

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Speaker 4: first port of call. And then we're saying, let's get devices.

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Speaker 4: But yes, schools are said, and we're backed. Please can

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Speaker 4: we look at ways of blocking social media, duraing education,

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Speaker 4: helping do their presious days. So some schools already do

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Speaker 4: it in terms of how they use their broadband and

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Speaker 4: they're found smart ways. But we're saying to government, let's

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Speaker 4: support schools. They're doing a great job. Honestly, we talked

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Speaker 4: to principles teachers who have just done so much walking

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Speaker 4: around the playgrounds getting phones off kids because they know

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Speaker 4: it makes a big difference. Unfortunately, when we went into this,

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Speaker 4: we found that in the OTD when it comes to

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Speaker 4: being distracted by your phone in math classes, we're really

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Speaker 4: up there one of the most distractive set of kids,

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Speaker 4: and we always have pretty bad math schools. But makes

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Speaker 4: a big difference. And I just want parents, all of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair point, Ruth, and thank you. I've talked to

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Speaker 3: you about the devices and the wearables before, and I

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Speaker 3: think you make a good point. That's Ruth Shanoda, ro

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Speaker 3: The shame on the helicopter parents wanting little Johnny to

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Speaker 3: hard enough. They know full well they can contact they

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Speaker 3: can via the school office. It's pathetic. Did that text

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Speaker 3: that text has got boom of vibes on it? Hasn't it?

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Speaker 3: Like that is that is a parent And I'm not

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Speaker 3: casting any aspersions. I love the boomer parents, I reckon

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of stuff we can learn from boomer parents.

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Speaker 3: Stop being such sissies ourselves modern day millennial parents. But

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Speaker 3: that one has definitely got the boom of vibes on it.

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Speaker 3: And there's no two ways about it with that one. Listen,

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Speaker 3: Albaneze is just half the fuel excite for three months.

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Speaker 3: So he's stolen a leaf. Well, because he's labor so

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Speaker 3: he's stolen a leaf right out of Jacinda's book.

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Speaker 3: He does love ainda copy. Actually, if somebody could just

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Speaker 3: map map all the stuff that he's copied of, just Cinda,

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Speaker 3: it's quite remarkable. This is the latest. I would say look,

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Speaker 3: probably not a great idea because price in and of

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Speaker 3: itself is a rationing measure, right, So as the price

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Speaker 3: goes up, we use less of it. So maybe we

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Speaker 3: cancel our Easter weekend, maybe we don't take the boat out.

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Speaker 3: These are all sensible things to do if you are

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Speaker 3: going to run out of fuel at some stage, so

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Speaker 3: the price actually helps you to keep down demand. So

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Speaker 3: actually artificially dicking around with the price as he is

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Speaker 3: may in fact increase demand. Now that's fine if he

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Speaker 3: is one hundred percent certain that he's going to have

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Speaker 3: no fuel supply issue, in which case, go for your life.

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Speaker 3: I'm just not sure that they are certain about that anyway.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure this is going to come up like there

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Speaker 3: will be calls on the government to do the same.

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Speaker 3: We have, of course, got our OSSI correspondent Oli Pederson

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Speaker 3: to him about it.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 3: Hither if your kid is younger than ten and has

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Speaker 3: a phone. Congratulations, your white trash and the harsh texts

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Speaker 3: continue nineteen past four Elliott Smith, sports talk host Hello, Elliott, Hello,

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Speaker 3: did you have a tfhone at ten?

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Speaker 9: I think I had my first phone when I was

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Speaker 9: at intermediate, so it would have been about eleven or twelve.

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Speaker 9: That's very close to white according to Cam, Yeah, it

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Speaker 9: was definitely intermediate.

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Speaker 3: So but look, hey, you've turned out. Okay, so there

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Speaker 3: we go. Yeah, it all's well. That ends well. Now

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Speaker 3: the Warriors, so I don't look, okay, before we get

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Speaker 3: to me and my predictions. What happened?

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Speaker 9: They didn't play very well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but why.

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Speaker 9: Well, they didn't defend, they switched off in that last

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Speaker 9: fifteen minutes of the first spell, didn't get the momentum

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Speaker 9: back in the game.

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Speaker 3: Can we blame Luke Metcalf?

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't know if we can blame Luke Metcalf.

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Speaker 9: They went away from what they've done well. The basics

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Speaker 9: done well was what the Warriors had done really well

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Speaker 9: over the first couple of weeks til or three weeks.

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Speaker 9: They played well, exposed teams up the metal and also

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Speaker 9: defended really really well. And none of that happened on

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Speaker 9: Friday night. Why what because the warry is this is

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Speaker 9: what they do.

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Speaker 3: But Elliott, what I said on Friday, Look, because I

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Speaker 3: don't know anything about sports, so I mean you may

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Speaker 3: as well just pull bum off the street and get

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Speaker 3: them to give you a comment. They're probably no.

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Speaker 6: More than me.

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Speaker 3: But I said on Friday this always happens to the

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Speaker 3: Warriors when they bring their stars back, because it disrupts

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Speaker 3: the thing that has been working right.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, and it's maybe easy to say in hindsight, but

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Speaker 9: Luke Metcalfe was solid out there, but he wasn't great

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Speaker 9: and he looked.

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Speaker 3: He threw the ball at No.

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Speaker 7: One.

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Speaker 9: Well, he looked like a player that hadn't played in

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Speaker 9: nine months and quite and you know, the Warriors have

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Speaker 9: got all sorts of opportunity in New South Wales Cup

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Speaker 9: that they could have put back.

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Speaker 3: Would you have would you have looked at the team

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Speaker 3: that was playing and said, these guys are playing, well,

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Speaker 3: we're not going to change it. We're going to bench Luke.

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Speaker 9: I think they wanted him back for this week's game

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Speaker 9: against Coronella up to full speed and then Melbourne after that,

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Speaker 9: which I think is a pretty big one. Two punch

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Speaker 9: in the context of the season.

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Speaker 3: So you sacrifice the Tigers.

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Speaker 9: Well not sacrifice, but I think they thought he was

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Speaker 9: going to be up to speed, perhaps more than he was.

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Speaker 9: And look, it's all very well go around at training

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Speaker 9: and looking like you're playing, you know, and looking at

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Speaker 9: million bucks at training, but it's another reality actually going

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Speaker 9: out there and playing. And he did look should have

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Speaker 9: a gallop.

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Speaker 3: So this leaves them with a conundrum. Then do you

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Speaker 3: go back to what was working pre last Friday's game? Well,

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Speaker 3: I think or do you take a punt with this guy.

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Speaker 9: I think they're gon have to stick with Metcalf. Now

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Speaker 9: I think they're gonna have to stick with seven. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: and back at that. It is going to be better,

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Speaker 9: you know, over the next week, having a bit more

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Speaker 9: time to get together. But I don't think you can

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Speaker 9: put it soldly on Luke Metcalf. The Warriors are pretty

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Speaker 9: poor across the board. There's no one really that you

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Speaker 9: go they played and held their head high.

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Speaker 3: What about Charles Nicole klock stud Yeah.

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Speaker 9: He's right, sinsy moved in position. He has scored a

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Speaker 9: couple of tries, so maybe he can hold his here.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so there's one thank god, Oky, Liam lim Lawson

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Speaker 3: to quite.

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Speaker 9: He can hold his hit high ninth second week in

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Speaker 9: a role, second race in a row that he's managed

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Speaker 9: to get points out of that very impressive driver. I

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Speaker 9: thought he I think he got what five overtakes in

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Speaker 9: the course of the race, which is more than any

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Speaker 9: look at it now and go Max with staff and

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Speaker 9: wants to retire. He's had enough of the cars. Have

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Speaker 9: you seen that he's over it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? But is he just packing as he does me

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Speaker 3: like a man toddler. Yes, so he might. He might

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Speaker 3: just be saying that he wants to retire, but then

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Speaker 3: he'll get some sort of unretired.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, he's not happy with the hybrid engines. But but

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Speaker 9: kim me into alle teenager leading the Formula One standings remarkable.

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Speaker 9: Liam Wilson's doing well.

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Speaker 3: Suggesting that for Stepan retires and Lawson takes over.

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Speaker 9: Look, let's maybe we will listen to happening.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well that's your prediction. Then we see how that go.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Elliot, look our fl stuff appreciated Elliot Smith's

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Speaker 3: sports Stalk Coast. He'll be back at seven. It's four

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Speaker 2: like no one else news talk, there'd be twenty five.

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Speaker 3: See the Israeli troops skied into southern Lebanon from Syria overnight.

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Speaker 3: I think these kinds of things, not like these exhibition matches,

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Speaker 3: is that they are so big on this. They've already

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump says runs agreed to most of the fifteen

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Speaker 5: We're dealing with different people than anybody's dealt with before.

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Speaker 3: What he can considering, apparently as whether he wants to

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Speaker 3: seize the key fuel HARPCRG Island. Meanwhile, Iran's parliament speakers

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Speaker 1: One moment he speaks of negotiations. Shortly afterwards he's managing

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Speaker 3: Big news across the ditch, the fugitive Desi Freeman has

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Speaker 3: Officers say that a man was killed after an hour's

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Speaker 3: long standoff in northeast Victoria, with a formal identification process underway,

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Speaker 3: but the man is still believed to be Freeman.

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Speaker 11: Should it be confirmed that the deceased is Freeman, this

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Speaker 3: And finally break have a kitcat seen? Someone's taken that

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Speaker 3: to a shortage of the chocolate bars just in time

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 3: Shortage of fuel, shortage of fertilizers, shortage of helium, shortage

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Speaker 3: and Oliver Peterson ABC Perth Radio Drive presenters with us,

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Speaker 3: Hello Ollie, Hello.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is I mean, it's not Antarctica. We do

437
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Speaker 3: get the little East eggs.

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Speaker 6: Okay, good. I just didn't know if you're celebrating East

439
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Speaker 6: of this year at reaching zering you or not that

440
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Speaker 6: sort of just one looking Oh my gosh.

441
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Speaker 3: Hey, but you're meaning the ones that are completely solid.

442
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Speaker 6: Day Yeah, yeah, yeah, those little tiny ones, but they

443
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Speaker 6: are so addictive, they're the best things in the world.

444
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Speaker 3: I actually like the ones that are hollow, that are

445
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Speaker 3: because I know the ones you mean, and those ones

446
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Speaker 3: are awesome, but they really do pack a punch. What

447
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Speaker 3: about the ones that are the size of a normal

448
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Speaker 3: egg but hollow?

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Speaker 6: Are you talking about your personality being hollow? Are you

450
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Speaker 6: hit up?

451
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Speaker 3: Hush hush? What are you call Sandylands?

452
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Speaker 6: Maybe this isn't my audition.

453
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Speaker 3: Hey, listen, tell me about Daisy Freeman. What's going on?

454
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Speaker 6: Well, this is good news. Let's be perfectly frank about that, because,

455
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Speaker 6: of course, Desmond Philby is dead. And that's seven months

456
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Speaker 6: after he allegedly shot dead two police officers executing that

457
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Speaker 6: search warrant that his family is thus in Victoria. Now, police,

458
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Speaker 6: as you heard there in the world wise, confirmed they've

459
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Speaker 6: killed a man at a property in northeast Victoria. They

460
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Speaker 6: say they believe it is freeman, but they're going to

461
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Speaker 6: go through that formul identification process. Now this textbook professionalist

462
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Speaker 6: described today he's been on the run for seven months.

463
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Speaker 6: But this is the kicker, right. He has been found

464
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Speaker 6: hiding in a container on a property and he emerged

465
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Speaker 6: possibly wrapped in a booner shooting at offices this morning.

466
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Speaker 6: So they were several hours and negotiating between freemen and

467
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Speaker 6: police before the shooting, but they would only say the

468
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Speaker 6: fugitive was armed and he has been shot dead as

469
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Speaker 6: a result of that operation this morning. So no doubt,

470
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Speaker 6: as you heard the world wise, the formula identification has

471
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Speaker 6: to take place. But on the run for seven months

472
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Speaker 6: and obviously fighting there till the very end that it

473
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Speaker 6: is there, I say a good results and potentially justice

474
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Speaker 6: has been serves.

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Speaker 3: Yere Okay, so do we know I mean obviously the

476
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Speaker 3: people on the property were sheltering him, right.

477
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Well that's what the police are going out pro

478
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Speaker 6: was he helped by other people that they believe. At

479
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Speaker 6: this stage police say it's likely that he was, because

480
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Speaker 6: he's been tracked down now several hours drive north of

481
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Speaker 6: where this original shooting took place seven months ago. Police

482
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Speaker 6: officers is obviously pretty relieved by all of this. He's

483
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Speaker 6: been on the run since August twenty sixth and that morning,

484
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Speaker 6: you'll remember, had ten officers went to his property that

485
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Speaker 6: day where officers Neil Thompson and that in the wood

486
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Speaker 6: Harse were shot dead and a third officer was seriously injured.

487
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Speaker 3: Okay, now, do you think it's a smart move for

488
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Speaker 3: your government to have cut the fuel excise?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because they have to be seen to be doing something.

490
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Speaker 6: Do I think it's smart. Is it going to result

491
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Speaker 6: in there being more fuel available tomorrow Australians? No, But

492
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Speaker 6: obviously the narrative, particularly from the Albert Easy government, has

493
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Speaker 6: been about being on the side of the Australian's header

494
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Speaker 6: and we're in a cost of living crisis. So if

495
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Speaker 6: they didn't do that, and it's going to say, you know,

496
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Speaker 6: roughly ten bucks a tank of fuel at the moment,

497
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Speaker 6: it all helps with the narrative that inflation is going

498
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Speaker 6: to go up but the government's doing something about it.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 6: Very interestingly, this was put forward late last week by

501
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Speaker 6: the opposition and I can tell you here the feedback

502
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Speaker 6: right around the country has been well yet good. But

503
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Speaker 6: again it's not going to solve the supply issues. We've

504
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Speaker 6: now got these four levels of a collective approach towards fuel.

505
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Speaker 6: One being planned to prepare to keeping Australia moving, which

506
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Speaker 6: is our current settings. But soon we're going to meet

507
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Speaker 6: go towards taking targeted action, which I'm assuming here means

508
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Speaker 6: we're going to start rationing fuel. Let's be blunt about this.

509
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Speaker 6: And then four protecting Google services for all Australians, which

510
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Speaker 6: probably means you can't drive anymore, mate, You've got to

511
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Speaker 6: catch a bus or a train. Interestingly, Victoria today has

512
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Speaker 6: also made the move to cut all feeds on public

513
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Speaker 6: transport for the next three months, so public transport is free.

514
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Speaker 6: But keeping in mind in Victoria they're heading towards the

515
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Speaker 6: state election later this year. New South Wales won't do that.

516
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Speaker 6: A Queens's got fifty cents theirs. TASMANI has gone free

517
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Speaker 6: public transport. I think it's a dollar eighty or two

518
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Speaker 6: dollars eighty here in Perth you could tell I drive.

519
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Speaker 6: I don't actually catch public transport at the moment, but

520
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Speaker 6: that is something which is being encouraged now that all

521
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Speaker 6: states cut the feeds for public transport and make it free.

522
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Speaker 6: But you're finding even where I am here in person,

523
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Speaker 6: you can't get on a bus or a train and

524
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Speaker 6: they're packed anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a fair point the problem listen. Can I

526
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Speaker 3: just ask you about this a little bit more though,

527
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Speaker 3: because part of the problem with cutting the fuel X

528
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Speaker 3: size is that you then basically just increase the demand

529
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Speaker 3: for fuel, right, So the price going up is supposed

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Speaker 3: to constrain demand a little bit, so it should be

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Speaker 3: helping you preserve what supply you've got. He's just making

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Speaker 3: this harder for himself.

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Speaker 7: Isn't he.

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Speaker 6: I would think so, because you know you again, and

535
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Speaker 6: I'm sure it's the same in New Zealand. You go

536
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Speaker 6: to places like Bunnings and you cannot buy a Jerry Can,

537
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Speaker 6: you cannot buy a Vestil. At the moment's toll the fuel.

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Speaker 6: Everyone is just alling, you know, spoiler paper COVID two

539
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Speaker 6: point oho, that's what's happening here at the moment. And

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Speaker 6: you're right, if it becomes a little bit cheaper, it's

541
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Speaker 6: just encourage the hornets more than anything. So look, maybe

542
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Speaker 6: we do need to be harsh about it. Maybe they

543
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Speaker 6: do need to move to rational Now you know, you

544
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Speaker 6: can only go to a fuel station and buy forty

545
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Speaker 6: bucks worth of fuel. If that means that you have

546
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Speaker 6: to go to five different fuel stations for the hoarders, well,

547
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Speaker 6: you know, field luck and if they've got that much

548
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Speaker 6: time in their lives to go and spend hours now

549
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Speaker 6: today houting fuel. But now you spot on it again,

550
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Speaker 6: it does not address the supply the government saying that

551
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Speaker 6: they're frantically working with foreign powers at the moment to

552
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Speaker 6: release more fuel and to prioritize Australia in the fuel

553
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Speaker 6: supply chain. But again we heard all this through COVID.

554
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Speaker 6: We were going to get masks first, we were going

555
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Speaker 6: to get COVID shots first, and we just send to

556
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Speaker 6: fall down a kid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so did we? Hey, Oliver, thank you very much appreciated.

558
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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson, ABC Perth Radio Drive Present to seventeen away

559
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Speaker 3: from five ever due for see Allen heah. The Tottenham

560
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Speaker 3: might be playing championship by then. They may well, actually,

561
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Speaker 3: because I don't know if you've been for that. They're

562
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Speaker 3: not doing very well. I don't think they've won a

563
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Speaker 3: game this season and they've just fired their coach this

564
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Speaker 3: morning and they're facing relegation potentially. So yeah, we may well,

565
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Speaker 3: but they may not be the first EPL. Might they

566
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Speaker 3: might not be in the Premier League. Hey, this is

567
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Speaker 3: really interesting. I thought about how times have changed. The

568
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Speaker 3: Ossie papers over the weekend went into the silver Water

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Speaker 3: Correctional Complex, which is a jail over in Australia, just

570
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Speaker 3: to see what it's like. And while they were there,

571
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Speaker 3: the just having to look at stuff, having to look

572
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Speaker 3: at the shoes, having to look at the guys, and

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Speaker 3: the judge just basically doing a tour. And the prisoner's

574
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Speaker 3: governor just makes a quip and just points out that

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Speaker 3: when he started working in the prisons in nineteen eighty eight,

576
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Speaker 3: the prisoners who hit women were treated the same as

577
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Speaker 3: child sex offenders. The minute they got chucked in the jail,

578
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Speaker 3: the other prisoners would come over given the bash. He said,

579
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Speaker 3: it was wrong to hit a woman. That was a

580
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Speaker 3: rule that once applied inside, but generations have changed and

581
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Speaker 3: unfortunately in here there's not a stick that around it anymore.

582
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Speaker 3: She thought was interesting. So he doesn't explain it, he

583
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Speaker 3: just points it out. Pedos once they go into jail

584
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Speaker 3: they still get the bash, but wife beaters don't get

585
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Speaker 3: the bash anymore. And it left me wondering I would

586
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Speaker 3: love an explanation, wouldn't you for what is going on there?

587
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Speaker 3: That apparently wife bashing is okay? Now Quarter two.

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Speaker 2: For politics with centric credit, check your customers and get

589
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Speaker 2: payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Right, we'll get you to the US just after five.

591
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Speaker 3: Find out what is going on with the troops on

592
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Speaker 3: the ground in a run and also how long this

593
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Speaker 3: might make this whole thing drag out for right now

594
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Speaker 3: though it's coming up twelve away from five and barries

595
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Speaker 3: so for senior political correspondence with US High Bary, Good afternoon, right,

596
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Speaker 3: what's the update out of post cab Well?

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Speaker 13: The three ministers or Prime Minister and two ministers on

598
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Speaker 13: stage Shane Jones and Nikola Willis essentially the government is

599
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Speaker 13: telling us they're taking the initiative on a number of fronts,

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Speaker 13: even though our fuel supply is well and truly in hand.

601
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Speaker 13: I heard a person today in the fuel industry saying

602
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Speaker 13: there were eight tankers on the way to New Zealand

603
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Speaker 13: literally not far off our shores. So the government's taking

604
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Speaker 13: the initiative and looking at other fuel suppliers and storage

605
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Speaker 13: facilities overseas. They said they want to be abbssolutely sure.

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Speaker 13: The point that Hane Jones made was that if you

607
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Speaker 13: get fuel from the United States, for example, it takes

608
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Speaker 13: about forty five days to get here, so you've really

609
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Speaker 13: got to be proactive now. And it was a point

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Speaker 13: picked up by Chris Luckson. He said that supplies are

611
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Speaker 13: larger than we've been told around fifty days now. But

612
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Speaker 13: Chris Luckson says, we can't be too careful.

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Speaker 11: We are doing what we said we would do, which

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Speaker 11: is a secure fuel supply. We have ample stocks on hand,

615
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Speaker 11: We are meeting a minimum stock holding obligations. We have

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Speaker 11: seen no signs yet from our oil importers that actually

617
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Speaker 11: there are any challenges or issues with that. That's great.

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Speaker 11: I would sooner be in a place where we are

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Speaker 11: on the front foot securing supplies, much sooner than we

620
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Speaker 11: think we may even need them. I'd soon have the

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Speaker 11: embarrassment of an abundance of fuel than I would be

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Speaker 11: undersought it. I've been through fuel crisis before in my

623
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Speaker 11: former life. I can tell you at ain't pleasant trying

624
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Speaker 11: to run an airline with thirty percent of the fuel

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Speaker 11: you need for several months.

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Speaker 13: Yeah. So in one way, it's good that Luxon is

627
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Speaker 13: there because he does understand the fuel industry. Probably more

628
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Speaker 13: than many ministers in his cabinet, being the former CEO

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Speaker 13: of there in New Zealand. They're also looking at the

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Speaker 13: rural areas that you know they've been Some are saying

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Speaker 13: now they're getting starved of fuel because people have been

632
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 13: stocking up, so some farmers are missing out while they've

633
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 13: talked to the fuel suppliers about that and apparently they're

634
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Speaker 13: going to be taking some action along those lines as well.

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Speaker 13: So New Zealand would seem even though we're so remote

636
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Speaker 13: in the world, we seem to be quite comfortable at

637
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Speaker 13: the moment and there's no need to stock our poor

638
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Speaker 13: in fact go out and rush at petrol pumps.

639
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Speaker 3: What did you make of the young green Tamatha Paul

640
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Speaker 3: from Wellington supporting pork the graffiti artist.

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Speaker 13: Well, I found it incredible, really, I mean this for

642
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Speaker 13: a politician. This man was appearing in court to thirty

643
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Speaker 13: seven year old They faced multiple charges of intentionally damaging

644
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Speaker 13: damaging property. He was sentenced from the Auckland District Court

645
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Speaker 13: today for eighteen months and intensive supervision and one hundred

646
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Speaker 13: hours of community work. This paying two thousand bucks in reparations.

647
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Speaker 13: But the reparations are of course nowhere near the amount

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Speaker 13: that the graffiti took to remove several figures. We're told

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Speaker 13: Judge Turrell said that he read the letter from Tamotha

650
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Speaker 13: Paul and basically disregarded it, so it made no difference

651
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Speaker 13: at all, which is quite incredible that an MP would

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Speaker 13: go out and defend somebody who is deliberately damaging property.

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Speaker 13: But Heather, you'll be pleased to hear from the man

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Speaker 13: himself that he's finally going straight.

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Speaker 14: I don't want to be like I don't want to

656
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Speaker 14: be at the age I am still in an out

657
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Speaker 14: of court scribbling is more a life of that and

658
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Speaker 14: should have stopped ten years ago. Now make the most

659
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Speaker 14: of the work I have done.

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Speaker 13: So that's true. I think his name is true.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon he would regret having such a stink

662
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Speaker 3: tagging name? What it's pork y pork? Have you seen

663
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Speaker 3: pork around the place all over Wellington?

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Speaker 13: I probably don't read the name.

665
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Speaker 3: Pork is everywhere?

666
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Speaker 13: Yeah, well he and apparently it's all through It's in

667
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Speaker 13: Australia as well. It's cool done, a bit of travel cool.

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Speaker 3: So you've got you've got basically a product, A primary

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Speaker 3: sector product is your tagging name. You're not cool.

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Speaker 13: Obviously, he thinks it's pretty cool, and he probably sees

671
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Speaker 13: himself as a banksy, But I'm afraid I don't think

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Speaker 13: he's quite Barry.

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Speaker 3: If you've seen Pork's work, you know that it's between

674
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Speaker 3: him and I think we can all get up on

675
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Speaker 3: a wall and go Pork. All right, Barry, thanks very

676
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Speaker 3: much to appreciate it. It's Barry So for your political

677
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Speaker 3: correspondence seven away from.

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Speaker 2: Five, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic

679
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Speaker 2: asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 15: New partners to Crysto b laccent is with us, said,

681
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Speaker 15: your phone calls with the Koreans, the Malaysians or Singapore

682
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Speaker 15: elicits something tangible that would serve us well beyond what

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Speaker 15: we've got currently as regards speed.

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Speaker 11: What I'm trying to do in those calls is put

685
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Speaker 11: New zeal on top of mind. I'm reminding them of

686
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Speaker 11: our comprehensive strategic partnership upgrades that we've done. So I

687
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Speaker 11: think they were very positive conversations.

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Speaker 15: There's still eighty percent of the oil out there. Can

689
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Speaker 15: we realistically hustle our way through this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, the oil is there.

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Speaker 11: The question is a logistical supply chain one. That's what

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Speaker 11: I'm thinking is what will cause ultimately our disruption to

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Speaker 11: supply which we want to have our head in the

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Speaker 11: game ready to deal with.

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Speaker 15: Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with

696
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Speaker 15: a Vida News talk.

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Speaker 3: ZB here the here's an answer perhaps to my question

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Speaker 3: about why the women bashes, the wife bashes don't get

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Speaker 3: beaten up in prison anymore. Here the maybe because these

700
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Speaker 3: days bashing women doesn't get you a prison sentence, maybe

701
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Speaker 3: community detention, impulsory counseling. It's probably a fair point. Maybe

702
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Speaker 3: the women bashes just aren't in jail. But actually no,

703
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Speaker 3: because this story was all about this jail is being

704
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Speaker 3: used for remand so I think these guys are in

705
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Speaker 3: there here that maybe it's just feminism killed chivalry. Maybe

706
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Speaker 3: maybe maybe maybe nowadays, look maybe nowadays, and this is

707
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Speaker 3: probably the most unpec thing to say, but maybe nowadays

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Speaker 3: there is a view that women can hold their own

709
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Speaker 3: to some extent, even though obviously men are stronger. But

710
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Speaker 3: we're not quite the sort of you know, simpering victims

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Speaker 3: that we were cast as in the past, and we're

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Speaker 3: financially independent. Ar I don't know, maybe maybe there's some

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Speaker 3: study in there somewhere somebody at university can do that.

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Speaker 3: Heather Pork can be seen above Spaghetti Junction looking from

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Speaker 3: East Street off K Road. Yes, this do you know?

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Speaker 3: This is the interesting? Okay, we're gonna get to Pork

717
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Speaker 3: because I'm gonna I've got some free advice for Tamotha.

718
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Speaker 3: Even though Tamotha doesn't want my free advice, I've got

719
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Speaker 3: some for her later on. But here's a question for you.

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Speaker 3: Is this kind of stuff art Because there are some

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Speaker 3: people who think this is art, right, then that's just

722
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Speaker 3: part of a community. Like if you get Pork clambering

723
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Speaker 3: Karl the skateboarder clambering up the site of some building

724
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Speaker 3: and writing pork, it adds to the vibrancy of a city.

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Speaker 3: Is that your view? As it straight out vandalism? Because

726
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I'm in the vandalism category. If

727
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Speaker 3: you dedicate a wall and you go go for your life,

728
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Speaker 3: bomb the hell out of this, and people go and

729
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Speaker 3: do the tagging, then that's fine. We've dedicated to space.

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Speaker 3: Just randomly drawing on other people's buildings doesn't feel like

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Speaker 3: a good idea to me. Anyway, We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: to somebody about that an Auckland street artist. I think

733
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Speaker 3: you can guess what they're gonna say. They're with us

734
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Speaker 3: after half past And I also think we're sending this

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Speaker 3: one to the huddle here the My kids never got

736
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Speaker 3: phones until thirteen, and I reckon I got it wrong

737
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Speaker 3: and too late. From a friendship perspective, I could not

738
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Speaker 3: disagree with you more. But that's your perspective's appearance. So

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Speaker 3: we'll go to the huddle ask them at thirteen is

740
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Speaker 3: the right age for the kids to have the phones?

741
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Speaker 3: But next up, let's go to the US and find

742
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Speaker 3: out why all these ground troops are going.

743
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Speaker 2: In the only drive show you can try the truck

744
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Speaker 2: to ask the questions, Listen to get the answers, find.

745
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Speaker 1: And give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the

747
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Speaker 2: Power of satellite Mobile news Talks.

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Speaker 3: The Good Afternoon. The Iranian government is warning the United

749
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Speaker 3: States might be about to launch a ground invasion of Iran.

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Speaker 3: Trump isn't exactly denying it. He told the Financial Times

751
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Speaker 3: they may attempt to take carg Island, but they have

752
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,479
Speaker 3: got lots of options. Apparently. Gil Barndolla is a former

753
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Speaker 3: US Marine and senior fellow at Defense Priorities and with

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Speaker 3: US High Gil, how are you. I'm very well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Now those troops, the thousands that he's sent in, is

756
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Speaker 3: this him planning a ground invasion or is this a

757
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Speaker 3: threat hanging over the piece talks quite deliberately, you know, it.

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Speaker 16: Could be either I would maybe cashed and ground invasion

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Speaker 16: in the sense of there's nowhere near the US footprint

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Speaker 16: the amount of troops needed to conquer, run, or or

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Speaker 16: or replace the regime by force with ground troops that

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Speaker 16: we're talking about more like a raid or seizing something

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Speaker 16: as a bargaining chair, or potentially trying to use ground

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Speaker 16: troops to help open the straight over moves something pretty

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Speaker 16: pretty small, if not episodic.

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Speaker 3: How would you use ground troops to open the strait?

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Speaker 16: Well, they could see Keshum Island or some of the

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Speaker 16: other smaller islands in the straight and use those to

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Speaker 16: kind of facilitate naval forces. But I don't think that's

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Speaker 16: going to solve your problem single handedly, you know, given

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Speaker 16: the amount of coastline, given Iranian capabilities, you know, their

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Speaker 16: ability to mine the straight is you know, mostly a

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Speaker 16: dog that hasn't barked yet. But that's a big one,

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Speaker 16: and there are all kinds of both, you know, unmanned

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Speaker 16: systems and missiles they can use to put I think

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Speaker 16: enough of a threat, you know, towards tankers and civilian

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Speaker 16: ships that they are going to be reluctant to to

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Speaker 16: pass through the strait as we've seen to date.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like Iran has booby trapped Cargo Island

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Speaker 3: as well. So is that I mean, would that be

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Speaker 3: a realistic consideration given the dangers there?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean I think that's that's a pretty daunting

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Speaker 16: prospect militarily either way. I mean it's it's you know,

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Speaker 16: you look at them at for two seconds and it's

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Speaker 16: way up in the kind of northern end of the

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Speaker 16: Persian Gulf, so you know, really pretty close to the

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Speaker 16: Kuwait actually. So to get up there, you've got to

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Speaker 16: do one of two things. You've either got to sail

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Speaker 16: you know, three, if not more, probably more like eight

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Speaker 16: to ten naval vessels through the straight Upford moves into

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Speaker 16: into the narrow waters of the Persian Golf to do

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Speaker 16: an amphibious landing. Or you've got to be willing to

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Speaker 16: either you know, air drop is in paratroopers or air

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Speaker 16: assaults in land helicopters, you know, several hundred miles up

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Speaker 16: the Persian Gulf, which you know, that's a that's a

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Speaker 16: dicey undertaking too. So it can certainly be done, but

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Speaker 16: it's it's a pretty high risk operation to do.

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Speaker 3: And why would they do it because it doesn't open

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Speaker 3: up the straight because, as you say, it's kind of

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Speaker 3: at the opposite end of where the pinch point is.

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Speaker 3: So is this just about choking off the income to Iran?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, it's it's you know, it's this sort of if

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Speaker 16: it happens, I think it's it's driven by the idea

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Speaker 16: of you know, sort of a Donald Trump deal maker

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Speaker 16: pressure point kind of kind of mindset that you would take,

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Speaker 16: you take the port and the facility of the ninety

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Speaker 16: cent of that oil goes out through as well as

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Speaker 16: you know, whatever amount of oil is there right now,

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Speaker 16: and use that as a bargaining chip to to induce

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Speaker 16: them to open the straight. I'm skeptical about the prospects

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Speaker 16: of that working. It's certainly in the short term, but

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Speaker 16: that that would be the proposition.

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Speaker 3: And if something like this was to happen, right, if

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Speaker 3: any of those troops were to put boots on any

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Speaker 3: kind of Iranian ground. How long is this dragging out,

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Speaker 3: this conflict for? Because I mean we were talking last

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Speaker 3: week about the thing potentially drawing to a close.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean that's completely unknowable. I would I would

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Speaker 16: just say that my view is that is it keeping

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Speaker 16: troops on Irani and soil in any of those places

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Speaker 16: is going to be a pretty tricky proposition. Is not

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Speaker 16: going to be a lot of fun in the United

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Speaker 16: States because you're going to have You're gonna have a

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Speaker 16: logistics problem just keeping them resupplied. And it only you know,

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Speaker 16: it only gets worse, it gets harter. I mean the

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Speaker 16: Persian Gulf. I've been there late spring, early summer, and

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Speaker 16: it only gets harder and becomes more of a logistical

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Speaker 16: issue from a medical standpoint, from a water and a

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Speaker 16: supply standpoint to reach any kind of force, never mind

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Speaker 16: taking casualties and everything that comes with that.

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Speaker 3: All right, listen, Gill, it's always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much every time. That's Gil barn Dollar,

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Speaker 3: former Marine senior fellow at Defense Priorities.

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Speaker 1: Heather do for Ce Ellen.

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Speaker 3: The Australian fugitive Dezzy Freeman has been shot dead by police.

837
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Speaker 3: After seven months on the run, he was shot on

838
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Speaker 3: a property in northeast Victoria where he was apparently sheltering

839
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Speaker 3: in something that looked like a shipping container. Now, Doctor

840
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Speaker 3: Harry Hobbs is an Associate professor at the Faculty of

841
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Speaker 3: Law and Justice at uns W Sydney and a sovereign

842
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Speaker 3: citizen expert and with us Hi Harry.

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Speaker 10: Hi, I think a homie.

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Speaker 3: Was it always going to end this way?

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Speaker 10: I think every person who engages in souel or behavior

846
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Speaker 10: claims to be a sovereign citizen, it always into the

847
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Speaker 10: same way, which is legal defeat, family and friendship, relationships deteriorated,

848
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Speaker 10: just difficult environments. Was it always going to end up

849
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Speaker 10: in Freeman's death? Not sure he could have been arrested,

850
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Speaker 10: but certainly this is consistent with what I expected to happen.

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Speaker 3: What do you think this is going to do to

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00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: the sovereign citizen movement?

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Speaker 10: When did he allegedly killed those two police officers? Last

854
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 10: year we saw some people online who are engaged in

855
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Speaker 10: this behavior, who are sivil or adherents a craft and narrative,

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Speaker 10: a conspiratal narrative around the initial killing. I expect the

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Speaker 10: same thing will happen here people engage in this behavior

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Speaker 10: of these ideologies, well craft a narrative that says that

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Speaker 10: the state has acted in a tyrannical form in order

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Speaker 10: to kill Eddie Freeman. They won't see it as a

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Speaker 10: legitimate police operation to obtain a double accusable murderer, but

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Speaker 10: they'll see it as evidence of corruption.

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Speaker 3: Now, look, Ari, you know more than me. But the

864
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: perception that I have is that this is something that

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Speaker 3: was really born out of COVID and really spiked afterwards.

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Speaker 3: The further we get away from COVID are starting to

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Speaker 3: see the appeal of the stuff. Wayne it all, it's

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Speaker 3: hard to say.

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Speaker 10: There's not a lot of great data around why people

870
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 10: get involved in this or how many people get involved

871
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 10: in it. What we do know is that the vast

872
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 10: majority of people get interested in this because they dealing

873
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 10: with the practical problem. Maybe that the rates notice they've

874
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 10: got a potential traffic offense and they're thinking, I can't

875
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 10: afford to pay this to live my life, I can't

876
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 10: afford to this. They look online saying how can I

877
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 10: get out of this ticket? How can I get out

878
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 10: of this problem I have? They find someone online and says,

879
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 10: you could be five hundred dollars and I'll make sure

880
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 10: you never have to pay your counsel rates ever again.

881
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 10: And so it's someone who's in a practical problem looking

882
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 10: for a solution and they find someone telling them selling

883
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 10: them snake oil, and for whatever reason, they buy it

884
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 10: at that point. And so wherever there's cost living crisis,

885
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 10: wherever there's sort of structural crisis, like a pandemic, like

886
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 10: a global financial crisis, like an oil shock, you'll find

887
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 10: people looking for an easy solution.

888
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: Harry, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for

889
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 3: your time. Mate. This is Harry Hobbs, Associate Professor and

890
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: the Faculty of Law and Justice at uns W Sydney

891
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 3: and the Sovereigns. That is an expert. Thirteen past five.

892
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: Heither due for ce Alan, Hither.

893
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: Can we stop paying for the rucks now that the

894
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: diesel price is higher than petrol? Jason, It's a good question,

895
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: but I suspect no. I'll tell you why. I'll tell

896
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: you why. It's probably not going to happen. Is quite

897
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: apart from a revenue gathering thing. It's just a logistical nightmare.

898
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: And that so then take it off. Oh diesels higher

899
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: will take the rucks off on diesel's low. I'll put

900
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: the res back on on a diesel high. How do

901
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: you do that? That's probably not going to happen? Toyed?

902
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 17: I sort of.

903
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 3: I was tempted for five hot seconds to ask Nikola

904
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 3: willis that question when she's with us after six? But

905
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: I just I think we're gonna be wasting our Time's

906
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: not gonna happen now, Listen. I don't know if you've

907
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 3: been following the HIV problem in Fiji, but this is

908
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: quite an alarming thing because I don't know. Look, if

909
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: you've been, it's actually born of the drugs issue. The

910
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 3: drugs are just making such they're just causing mary hell

911
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 3: in the islands. And what's going on in Fiji is

912
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 3: that people are like injecting the methyl, taking the meth

913
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 3: or whatever they do, and then their blood is hot,

914
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 3: right because it's full of the meth. Then they pull

915
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 3: the blood out and then they chuck it another and

916
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: then they injected into other people who anyway, and then

917
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: those people get high off the like residual. It's like

918
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: the weird vampire stuff. Anyway. As a result, as you

919
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: can imagine, HIV is just taken off because shearing blood

920
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: like that's a problem. There are nine thousand Fijians who

921
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 3: are now HIV, so this is just a number just

922
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 3: out of Fiji. Nine thousand Fijians and our HIV positive.

923
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: Compare that to in New Zealand three and a half

924
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: thousand people in this country and we are my bigger

925
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: than than Fiji. Three and a half thousand people. Nine

926
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 3: thousand Fijians is one percent of their population in New Zealand.

927
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: It's zero point zero six six percent. And I've rounded

928
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: that up so you can see what a big problem is.

929
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 3: And if you don't think that's a problem for us,

930
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 3: it's a problem for us that it's a problem for Fiji. Anyway,

931
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 3: we'll talk next to Tottenham Hot Spurs Ledley King and

932
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 3: lift the mood somewhat quarter past right the huddle standing by.

933
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: They'll be with us at about twenty to six right now,

934
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 3: it's eighteen past five. Now, as you know, Tottenham Hotspurs

935
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: are one of the big six of English Football's Premier League,

936
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: so it is a reasonably big deal that they're coming

937
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: to New Zealand. They're going to play Auckland FC and

938
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: a friendly at Eden Park on July the twenty six

939
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 3: Leedley King is one of the club's legends. High Ledley,

940
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: Hello him, Well, thank you mate. So they sent you

941
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 3: as the advanced party to drum up the enthusiasm.

942
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 12: Have they They did, And I'm the lucky one who

943
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 12: gets to announce that Tottenham will be coming out to

944
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 12: play Auckland FC in Auckland on the twenty sixth of July.

945
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 12: Really exciting news and especially for our fans in New

946
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 12: Zealand to get a chance to see their heroes in

947
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 12: their home country. So yeah, really looking forward to that.

948
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 7: Now.

949
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: I don't know about it. I reckon this is going

950
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: to hands down sell out Eden Park. What do you reckon?

951
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 12: I mean, I hope. So I'm going to get a

952
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 12: chance to go to Eden Park today and kind of

953
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 12: check it out. So I polled the atmosphere in a

954
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 12: game today. So yeah, and you know, judging by the reaction,

955
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 12: judging by the fans that I've met just in my

956
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 12: short time here, and I've heard about Aucklander Sea fans. Yeah,

957
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 12: we're really hoping that we consider that out.

958
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: Of course, have you seen Auckland if Sea play.

959
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 12: I haven't seen them play. No, No, I've met a

960
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 12: couple of their players today, and you know, I've heard

961
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 12: that they're doing really well at the moment, and I've

962
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 12: heard that they've got a really good fan base behind them.

963
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 12: So they will be my new Zealand team now from

964
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 12: now on. You know, when I go back home, I

965
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 12: will be checking on their results.

966
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 3: Good on you. I mean, this is going to be

967
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 3: the week after the World Cup ends, right, So Auckland

968
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: LIVC is like a pretty strong team. Actually, are we

969
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: going to see Tottenham's best players?

970
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: We hope.

971
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 12: So, I mean it depends on, as you mentioned, the

972
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 12: World Cup, and it depends on what players get to

973
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 12: the latter stages of the World Cup. But we would

974
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 12: be being in as strong a squads as we possibly can, uh,

975
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 12: you know, because places and is important. It's important for

976
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 12: for whatever manager we have in charge to have as

977
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 12: many players it's sposed as possible to prepare for the

978
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 12: upcoming season. So of course we're going to aim to

979
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 12: bring our best team out here. But as I say,

980
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 12: that will depend on how far some of them get

981
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 12: in the World Cup, because it's kind of mandatory that

982
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 12: they have a couple of weeks rest before kind of

983
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 12: playing again. So we just have to see. But as

984
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 12: I say, we were aiming for our best available squad.

985
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: Now speaking of back home, I see the coach got

986
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 3: the second earlier today. Do you think this is going

987
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 3: to improve the club's performance.

988
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 12: Well, it has to now, it has to.

989
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 14: You know.

990
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 12: It's probably a change that we didn't want to have

991
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 12: to make, but you know, judging about the recent results,

992
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 12: you know we are running out of time now, so

993
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 12: I think we had to act before it's too late

994
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 12: and you have to give someone else a chance to

995
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 12: turn our full tunes around now seven games to go,

996
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 12: seven cup finals for us now until the end of

997
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 12: the season. But something had had to change, you know

998
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 12: at the moment the results and we're not going on

999
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 12: our way and as I say, we can kind of

1000
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 12: sleep walking to ourselves into trouble. And you know, now

1001
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 12: hopefully someone will come in and kind of give the

1002
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 12: team some confidence and some belief that they can turn

1003
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 12: things around.

1004
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, Lydley, thank you for your time. I hope

1005
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: you enjoy your look around Eden Park and yeah, have

1006
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 3: a good.

1007
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 12: Day, appreciate it. Thanks for having me.

1008
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: Lydley King, former Tottenham Hotspurs captain and ambassador. Actually, I

1009
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: do you know what I was at Edon Park yesterday.

1010
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: I was standing on the It was my first time.

1011
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: I think it was my first type ever standing on

1012
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: the turf. Give a still on the turf. It's bloody cool. Anyway,

1013
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 3: I might tell you about that when I get a

1014
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: chancelator on. Now I will have to wonder. I will

1015
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 3: have to tell you about that when I get a

1016
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 3: chancelator on stand by five twenty two.

1017
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

1018
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: It's Heather duf c Ellen drive with one Zealand coverage

1019
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: like no one else news talks.

1020
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: They'd be here that twice. Now you've said Tottenham Hot Spurs.

1021
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: It's hot Spur singular. They ain't named after a bondage

1022
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 3: party bill. It will be a thousand times more than that, mate,

1023
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: because this is the first Timmer I realized it's a singular.

1024
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: Side of my apologies, it is it's Tottenham Hot Spur.

1025
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 3: Who knew five twenty five. Listen, here's a little bit

1026
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: of advice for the Greens, not that they want my advice,

1027
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 3: but how about they stop supporting vandals in court because

1028
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 3: this is a thing that Ricardo Menendez March did last

1029
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 3: year and they had the lawyer who was convicted for

1030
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 3: vandalizing the MP's offices and he wrote her a letter

1031
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 3: of support. And now we've got Tamotha Paul, who's the

1032
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 3: young one from Wellington, doing the same, writing a letter

1033
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: of support for the chap who climbs up buildings and

1034
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 3: writes Pork. He's done it all over the show's done

1035
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 3: in Wellington, done it in Auckland, done it in various

1036
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: cities in Australia, done it and humbly the list goes on. Anyway, Fine,

1037
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 3: he's been doing it for years. It's finally caught up

1038
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 3: on him. He's been sentenced in Auckland District Call to

1039
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 3: eighteen months of intensive supervision and one hundred hours of

1040
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: community work and has to pay two thousand dollars in

1041
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: reparations to the MZTA and Bunnings. Now, Tamotha Paul claims

1042
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 3: she did not write the letter of support for Pork

1043
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 3: because she condones vandalizing. She says she was just asking

1044
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 3: the judge to take into consideration the profound changes that

1045
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 3: he's made in his life, like sobriety. Now, that does

1046
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 3: sound very nice of her. That's a very nice thing

1047
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: to do, especially when you consider she doesn't actually know him.

1048
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 3: He only sent her an Instagram message in the days

1049
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 3: before sentencing. So how she can varps for his sobriety

1050
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. And it is also rather complicated by

1051
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: the fact that she has got a mural including Pork's

1052
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 3: graffiti hanging behind her desk in her office, which does

1053
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: rather look like she kind of does admire the old tagging.

1054
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: I think the Greens might want to reconsider this kind

1055
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: of support of vandalism. I'm only thinking about it for

1056
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 3: their sake, right because they're desperate. They're desperate to get

1057
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 3: around the cabinet table. But in order to get around

1058
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: the cabinet table and do something a little bit more

1059
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 3: significant than just you know, one minister for climate change

1060
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 3: portfolio and something for another co leader that they never

1061
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 3: do any work on. If you want to get around

1062
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: there in a more significant way, like Chloe wanting to

1063
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: be Minister of Finance, you need to be taken seriously

1064
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 3: by middle New Zealand voters and democracies in which middle

1065
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: New Zealand voters often hold the balance of power. Like

1066
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: ours value private property. Voters like their property, whether it's

1067
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 3: their house or their commercial building, and ratepayers do not

1068
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: like having to shell out millions of dollars to have

1069
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 3: graffiti constantly cleaned up like porks. So maybe a little

1070
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: bit more thinking of what we like as voters and

1071
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: less support for the vandals, don't you.

1072
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: Think ever do for ce Ellen?

1073
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 3: On that subject, there is a debate about whether it

1074
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 3: is art or just scribbling and vandalizing, which, of course

1075
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 3: most of us would agree it's just scribie with scribbling

1076
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: and vandalizing. Anyway, we're going to have a chat to

1077
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 3: Jesse Jensen, who's an Auckland street artist, will bear us

1078
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: straight after the news and then we're going to talk

1079
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: to the huddle and then I'm going to tell you

1080
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: about why I was at eden Park if you remain interested,

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Speaker 3: and it will do that before six o'clock. News Dogs b.

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Speaker 2: Hard questions strong opinion here the duplicy Ellen drive with

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Speaker 2: one New Zealand tand of power of satellite mobile news dogs,

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Speaker 2: it'd be.

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Speaker 7: Right, Becault.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be with US Finance minister obviously

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Speaker 3: leading the response. Is I almost said leading the COVID response.

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Speaker 3: Actually we're going to talk about it. We're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about the parallels with this, but between the COVID

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Speaker 3: response and Epicuri, but we'll do that later in the program.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, she's obviously leading the response to what's going

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Speaker 3: on in the Middle East. So she's with us after

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Speaker 3: six and we have got the Huddle standing by Joseph

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Speaker 3: Ginny and Morris Williams in this evening and it's twenty

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Speaker 3: five away from six.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: The Wellington MP Tamotha Paul support for Pork the vandal

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Speaker 3: the Tagger has prompted the question what counts as art

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Speaker 3: and who gets to decide? Street artists want clearer rules

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Speaker 3: after a tagger known as Pork was hit with charges

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Speaker 3: and hefty fines for his work across Auckland. Auckland street

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Speaker 3: artist Jesse Jensen is with us. Hi, Jesse, Hello, what

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Speaker 3: are the clearer rules that we need?

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Speaker 1: Jesse? Eat? Uh?

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Speaker 18: Where I start? I mean, firstly, where does one go

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Speaker 18: to paint legally? Like it just isn't an outlet. It's

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Speaker 18: like it's like how skating used to be. Yeah, now

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00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 18: you got skate bugs. Well where the park?

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00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: Okay, but that's not a rule, that's a facility. So

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00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 3: what are the clearer rules? Because let me let me

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00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 3: put it to you like this, The rules are clear,

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Speaker 3: you don't go around putting putting tags on other people's

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00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 3: buildings and now pooks and trouble for it. So what's

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00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 3: unclear about that?

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00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 18: Who owns public space? Who who has rights to uh

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00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 18: create public art and public spaces.

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00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: Don't don't? What is a public space?

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00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 18: Well, you've got it. You've got the street, and then

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00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 18: you've got the little bit of grass in front of

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Speaker 18: your house, and then you've got your fence.

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Speaker 3: But we do know who owns that, Like I own

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Speaker 3: my fence, the council owns the boom, and the council

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Speaker 3: owns the street.

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Speaker 18: Well, if you've got a friend, if you've got a

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Speaker 18: fence that faces the street, you own what goes on

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Speaker 18: that fence. But if you own a fan that faces

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Speaker 18: into a public reserve, you don't have the same rights

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Speaker 18: of what you can do on your fence, so it's blurred.

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Speaker 18: In a reserve, they own the face of the fence

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Speaker 18: that faces them. So you know your neighbor face owns

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00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 18: the face of your fence facing into their property. So

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Speaker 18: why does the public own the front of your fence?

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Speaker 18: Maybe that's it's a good debate, like who owns all

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Speaker 18: these public spaces? Who gets to decide what billboards you

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Speaker 18: get smashed in the face with every day?

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Speaker 1: Why is it so.

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Speaker 18: Lopsided with the number of people who control what gets

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Speaker 18: put in our face in public spaces? And that's why

1139
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Speaker 18: you have people doing it illegally because they want to

1140
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Speaker 18: be able to say things in public spaces and they're

1141
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Speaker 18: just not allowed.

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Speaker 3: That's quite a deep conversation to have. Could we so

1143
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 3: convince the deep conversation about all of that stuff and

1144
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 3: just give you guys a wall to tag on? Would

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Speaker 3: that solve that problem?

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Speaker 18: I think it would. It would go a long way

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Speaker 18: to make the quality of the work be better because

1148
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Speaker 18: people would have a place to go and practice, and

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Speaker 18: then you'd see better stuff in public spaces. And I

1150
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 18: think people's understanding of what I guess it's like as

1151
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 18: simple as do you have permission? It's like, if that's

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00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 18: all it comes down to about what is art and

1153
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 18: what isn't, well, then yet most a lot of graffiti

1154
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 18: and stuff obviously it doesn't have permission. But when banks

1155
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 18: he paints are building, it didn't matter that he didn't

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Speaker 18: get permission. They still put perspects over it and make

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Speaker 18: it into like a tourist destination.

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Speaker 3: Not always that way, like sometimes they actually cover it

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Speaker 3: up for various reasons.

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Speaker 7: Jesse.

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Speaker 3: Somehow, I don't think, though, that this really applies to Pork,

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Speaker 3: because I reckon, I don't reckon that's what Pork was

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Speaker 3: up to. Like I think if we if we did

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Speaker 3: a beautiful if we go, if we gave a massive

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00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 3: wall to you guys and said go for it, make

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Speaker 3: it beautiful, Pork sounds to me like he was on

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00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: some sort of like mind altering substance that would make

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Speaker 3: him still want to go and bamber up something in

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Speaker 3: spaghetti junction and tag his name on the side of

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Speaker 3: something there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the.

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Speaker 18: Place you do the also says something. So you might

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00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 18: not like the content of what was painted, But the

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Speaker 18: fact that he climbed up there, that's impressive, right.

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Speaker 3: I suppose so, not the kind of impressive though that

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00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 3: makes me go well done, You may like, more like

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Speaker 3: the kind of impressive that I mean. Maybe he could

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Speaker 3: have climbed a tree or something instead without tagging, and

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Speaker 3: I would be equally impressed, don't you think.

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Speaker 18: Do you think he should go to jail for it though?

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Speaker 3: But he's not going to go to jail as there's

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Speaker 3: just a couple of fines and some community work. Yeah,

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00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 3: I think you should do that. What do you think.

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Speaker 18: I know a lot of people who paint graffiti, and

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00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 18: you you do go to jail for it when you

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Speaker 18: get charged for it. Enough, I've been put in prison

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Speaker 18: for jail myself. Yeah, I've been put in prison for

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00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 18: graffiti myself.

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Speaker 1: Yet, why didn't you stop custody?

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Speaker 18: Don't do it legally? I do it legally.

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Speaker 3: Well, why do you go to custody then?

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00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 18: Because I because I did a lot of graffiti.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, all right, well Jesse, thank you for that lightning.

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Speaker 3: Jesse Jensen, Auckland street artist twenty away from six The.

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Speaker 2: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only truly

1196
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Speaker 2: global brand.

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Speaker 3: Morris Williams and now Huddle Auckland councilor former National Party

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Speaker 3: minister Josephgani child Fun Chief Executive, Hello you too.

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Speaker 1: Hello he So do you think.

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Speaker 17: That hell of an interview?

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to put it out there. Not smart

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Speaker 3: for TAMMOTHA. Paul to be supporting this kind of carry on.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Morris?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 17: Absolutely not. I mean when I saw in the Herald

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Speaker 17: the article it said that the damage done in Wellington

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Speaker 17: and the cleanup was into seven figures. You go, holy hell,

1208
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 17: if Wellington hasn't got enough problems in trying to get

1209
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Speaker 17: its water.

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Speaker 3: On Morris Wellington, right, that's not even Auckland where he's

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Speaker 3: prolific as well.

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Speaker 17: Yes, I get that. And then for her as a

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Speaker 17: next Wellington City councilor to come out and sort of

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Speaker 17: write a letter of recommendation. You know, your previous interview

1215
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 17: was just simply a matter of if you've got permission

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Speaker 17: to use someone's private property and put it on their

1217
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 17: wall or their offence, then that's fine. If you haven't,

1218
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 17: you've got no bloody right to be defacing it and

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00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 17: causing damage. And then the cost of having to get

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Speaker 17: the bloody stuff off. And I'm happy that the police

1221
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Speaker 17: are charging them. I was disappointed that we didn't charge

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Speaker 17: enough people on the stuff.

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Speaker 19: Josie Well, unless you're Banksy, you just should not be

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Speaker 19: graffitiing at the age of thirty seven, right, I mean,

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Speaker 19: I know banks is even older than that, but he's

1226
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Speaker 19: clearly an artist, right, But if you're doing this at

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Speaker 19: thirty seven, I mean there are just things that you

1228
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 19: shouldn't do at that age, like you know, I don't

1229
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Speaker 19: know where Bootube and end up and Courtney Place for

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Speaker 19: three am, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, just stop it.

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Speaker 12: I let me write that down.

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Speaker 17: What should I not be doing?

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Speaker 19: Don't prove on Courtney Place at three am, Morris. It's

1235
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 19: not a good look, you know.

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Speaker 4: So that's part of it, is that.

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Speaker 19: And he did have the grace to say, this guy

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Speaker 19: who's been charged with graffitiing that he feels like he

1239
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 19: should have given up ten years ago. Yes, yes you

1240
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 19: should have because you just look a bit daft as

1241
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 19: an older man doing this. But there is a solution.

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Speaker 19: You mentioned it in that interview Heather. In Melbourne, they've

1243
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Speaker 19: got not just a wall, but they've got a couple

1244
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 19: of streets that they give over to graffiti, right, And

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00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 19: it's quite a tourist attraction, and it's quite beautiful some

1246
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 19: of it. And and so you end up, you know,

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00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 19: if anyone's just going up there going pork, pork, pork,

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Speaker 19: then they're not They're not probably not going to They're

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Speaker 19: going to get painted over because something more interesting will happen.

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Speaker 19: So so there are ways around it. I gave my

1251
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Speaker 19: daughter a wall in her room which she graffiti. Now

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00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 19: it's my office and I go on zoom calls with

1253
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 19: you know, ministers and things, and I look behind and

1254
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 19: it's got like homegrown on it and CJ fancies you know,

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00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 19: so I think I've bitter paint over it. But yeah,

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00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 19: there is a way to capture that feeling that people

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00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 19: want to know. Young people want to graffiti a motorway

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Speaker 19: bridge or something.

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Speaker 6: Give them a wall.

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00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 3: Then Morrison sides on your phone, did something funny? Start

1261
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 3: talking again?

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Speaker 17: Okay? Every now and then I go into the city

1263
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 17: on the train and the graffiti along the rail line

1264
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 17: is just shocking and I can't understand. It doesn't have

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00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 17: any message on it. It's not clear about we're opposed

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Speaker 17: to what's going on in Gaza. It's just the shambles

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Speaker 17: of painting on And no.

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Speaker 3: Morris, it wasn't Pork's message clear to you.

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Speaker 19: No, So that's just a stup on that though. That

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Speaker 19: is one thing Morris, and I think you're right. The

1271
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Speaker 19: problem we've got with that kind of just rash of

1272
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Speaker 19: messy graffiti is that it's a sign of urban decay

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00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 19: and disorder, isn't it. So we go, what the hell

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Speaker 19: we don't want that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, listen, guys, take quick break we'll come back.

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00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 3: I want to talk to you guys about what's going

1277
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 3: on in the Middle East. Get your take on it.

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00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 3: Sixteen away from Sex.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name

1280
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: you can trust locally and globally.

1281
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 3: Right back with the Huddle, you've got Josephigani and Morris

1282
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 3: Williams and Josie What are you reckons going on in

1283
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 3: the Middle East, more specifically with the ground troops.

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00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 19: Yeah, well, they're obviously got some. I mean, they're trying

1285
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 19: to look at what their options are right when they

1286
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 19: could either, you know, put troops there to safeguard the

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00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 19: straight A Humus. They could seize carg Island, which is

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00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 19: the sort of oil hub for Iran. They could say

1289
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 19: that they're going to send troops in to get the

1290
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 19: nuclear site in Isfahan. But all of those things just

1291
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 19: seem incredibly impossible. And again, I mean, you're just getting

1292
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 19: constant information, contradictory information from Trump and the Americans. You know,

1293
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 19: one minute, Trump saying he's destroyed one hundred percent of

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00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 19: Iran's military capability, but it's just so apparently the naught

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Speaker 19: percent that's remaining, it's playing habit with the global economy.

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Speaker 19: You know, both of those things are not true. So

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Speaker 19: I think the problem we've got here is that we've

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Speaker 19: gone you can't control a country having a bomb it

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Speaker 19: without sending ground troops in. At the same time, the

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01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 19: minute you send ground troops in, you're there for twenty years.

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Speaker 19: And that all we have to do is look back

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Speaker 19: at Afghanistan, Iraq, and we look back at Afghanistan in particular.

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Speaker 19: We were there for twenty years to basically get rid

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Speaker 19: of the Taliban government and flush out of some of

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01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 19: the laden but get rid of the Taliban government. Twenty

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Speaker 19: years later, the Taliban government are back in power. So

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Speaker 19: it just fills you with dread that this could end

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Speaker 19: up being a very long war where all sorts of

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Speaker 19: others get dragged in and we've got lots of conflicts happening,

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Speaker 19: or a treer Ethiopia, Pakistan, Afghanistan. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 19: pretty scary prospect.

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Speaker 3: Do you think, Morris, is there any prospect that this

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Speaker 3: gets wound up in the next few weeks if you've

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Speaker 3: got that many troops headed there.

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Speaker 17: No, I think this has got a long way to

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Speaker 17: go in terms of what the options are and where

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Speaker 17: they go, and I think America will be as Josie said,

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Speaker 17: cognizant of its history. I mean, they were in Vietnam,

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Speaker 17: the mightiest nation in the world in terms of aircraft

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Speaker 17: carriers and bombers and army and so on, and a

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Speaker 17: few little cats and black pj's kept popping out of

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01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 17: the bushes and blowing up things. And they had to

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Speaker 17: finally depart, losing big time. And they didn't win in Iraq.

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Speaker 17: And you know, they win the war in three weeks

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Speaker 17: and they'll never win the peace. And I think this

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Speaker 17: has got a long way to go. But boy, is

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Speaker 17: this a great example of the old saying that the

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Speaker 17: first casualty in war is the truth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too, right now, Hey, on that out.

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Speaker 17: I have no idea where the truth lies.

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Speaker 3: No, no, and none.

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Speaker 20: Of us do.

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Speaker 3: And I think we're all trying to second guess. But

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Speaker 3: we'll almost have to just watch it play out. Listen

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Speaker 3: this LNG terminal, Josie, I think this has gone. It's

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Speaker 3: been nice today, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 19: I know you don't like it, but you've got to

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Speaker 19: do something right.

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Speaker 3: I Mean, that's not what we're talking about, Josie. We're

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Speaker 3: talking about whether it's been killed, has been killed, isn't it.

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Speaker 19: I don't know about that. I think I know what

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01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 19: you say, I know what you say, but I know

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01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 19: there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes

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01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 19: going guys, if you don't build this terminal, you don't

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01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 19: have to fill it up with LNG. You just have

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01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 19: to have it. They're ready to store it if we

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01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 19: need it. And by god, now we know what it

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01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 19: feels like when we need it.

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Speaker 3: Ridion dollars for not filling it up.

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01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 19: Yeah, but if you don't have that. But if you

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01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 19: don't have something standing by where you can store additional

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01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 19: fuel and additional gas or LNG in this case, then

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01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 19: you know you just st you're staying with the status quo,

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01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 19: which is where the electeracy companies can pump up the price.

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01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 19: Everybody pays more prices. They can charge more when there's

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01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 19: less supply. So if you don't have an LNG facility,

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01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 19: what are you going to do? Bring in more coal? Well,

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01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 19: that's not going to be enough either. We need more

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01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 19: of everythink in order to shift to renewables ultimately down

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01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 19: the line. But if this prices has told us anything,

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01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 19: it's that when security of supply is the thing that

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01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 19: we've been lacking and we need it, and so if

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01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 19: we don't do it, well, what's it going to be?

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01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 19: And what is it going to be?

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01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 3: I mean, when you guys, I think it's dead? What

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01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 3: do you think? Morris?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I think the moment you open the door and

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01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 17: sort of give a little bit of doubt to it.

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Speaker 17: You know, these things are done on benefit cost ratios

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01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 17: and business cases, and when they did the one billion

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01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,959
Speaker 17: business case for this, they would have had how much

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01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 17: sort of liquid and natural gas was available in the

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01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 17: world and what its price was, and then they'd have

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01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 17: worked out how much to build it and constructed and

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01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,479
Speaker 17: they have come up with a maybe a break point

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01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 17: of maybe yes, maybe no, but let's go with it

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01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 17: because it's got a bit of insurance to it. I

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01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 17: think every one of those numbers have just been blown apart,

1380
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 17: like you wouldn't believe with what's happened and the big

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01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 17: gas fields that have been attacked both in Iran and

1382
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 17: in Qatar, means that the whole of L and G's

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01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 17: landscape's got to be go back and revisited. When I

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01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 17: hear the door opened on a bit of doubt on anything,

1385
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 17: I always assume while they decide, and now they're going

1386
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 17: to start to you know, just till the soil and

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01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 17: get people outside in the end, I.

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Speaker 19: Think Morris, if they do do that, and I think

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01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 19: you're probably right Heather, that that's that's floating us and they're.

1390
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 3: Going to prepare people for it.

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01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 19: But I can see we've got. What I'm saying is

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01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 19: you did, but I'm saying that we still need it, right,

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01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 19: And so if they don't do this, you've got to

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01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 19: push them and say, well, what is the thing that

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01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 19: we do. When some say, yeah, what's it going to be?

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Speaker 6: Look, I agree with that.

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Speaker 17: I agree with that. And therefore you go back to

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01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 17: the drawing board and say, well, obviously that the paradigm

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01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 17: is completely shifted. Now those numbers no longer work. What's

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01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 17: our alternative for an insurance of a quality energy source to.

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01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: Keep the place?

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01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 3: And what about the Onslow Lake Onslow which was in

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01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 3: the papers this week. Don't bring that up, have stupid ideas?

1404
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 3: What about that, Morris.

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01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 19: I'd rather have an energy terminal than that.

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01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 4: It's good to see.

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Speaker 17: That's good to see a minister with the scenes of humor.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Hey, And by the way, Morris, takes from

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01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 3: something Morris should not be commenting on art. He got

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01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 3: twenty three percent in school sea art at Matamata College.

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01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 3: From his teacher, Jim.

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01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 17: Ayres Well, I don't think I sat school. See there

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Speaker 17: we go.

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01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 3: The first casualty in the war is truth. Guys, thank

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01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 3: you very much, appreciate it. The huddle this evening Morris

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01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 3: Williams and Josephcganni seven away from six.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather Duper See Allan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: on my Art Radio powered by News Talk.

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Speaker 3: ZB Either when gas runs out, you'll have to get

1420
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 3: yourself a charcoal barbecue. I have a suspicion that when

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01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 3: gas runs out there'll still be like a trickle. You'll

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01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 3: still be able to get a little bit enough to

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01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 3: run the barbecue, but not enough to probably, I don't know.

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01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it'll be so expensive if

1425
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 3: you won't want to run the shower on it. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: So Eden Park five away from six. So I said

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Speaker 3: I'd tell you about Eaton Park. So we went to

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Speaker 3: Edon Park yesterday because they had the Emma Memma. Do

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01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 3: you know who Emma Memma is? This is what my

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01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 3: life is about now, Emma members the Yellow Wiggle, the

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01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 3: Girl Wiggle. Didn't she have the didn't she have the

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01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 3: thing with Lockie Wiggle? Didn't they have a relationship and

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01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 3: then they broke up? Am I making this up? Did

1434
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 3: I dream this? I don't know. I thought she had

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01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 3: the relationship with Lockie the Wiggle and then they broke

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01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 3: up and then he went on off and often had

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01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 3: babies with his new wife, and then that was too

1438
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 3: much and she left the Wiggles. Anyway, so she's got

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01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 3: her own thing. I could have totally slammed her her nose.

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01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 3: She won't know them mine. She's an honor. She's still

1441
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 3: an Aukland. She might be listening. Sorry about that, Emma anyway.

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01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 3: So she was at the Eden Park yesterday because she

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01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 3: was holding a picnic and we all got to go down,

1444
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 3: like all these parents. It was a free event, so

1445
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 3: you just had to get You just had to, like

1446
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 3: say you wanted to be there, and you got your

1447
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 3: tickets and you got to take the kids down and

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01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 3: lay out a picnic and stuff. And they had Susie

1449
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 3: Kato there, who's got She's starting the U and Me

1450
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 3: TV show up again in May, which is quite exciting.

1451
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 3: They had all these other performers and stuff. Anyway, while

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01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 3: I was down there, I was I was sitting on

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01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 3: the turf thinking, this is what it's like to begin

1454
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 3: all black. Well, it's not exactly the same because they

1455
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 3: obviously don't have to listen to the Yellow Wiggle and

1456
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 3: dance with their children. But I've never been down there,

1457
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 3: and I didn't realize this. They can see your faces

1458
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 3: while they're playing. So if you're sitting in the stands,

1459
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 3: like on the lower ends, they if they're passing the

1460
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 3: ball and they look up, they'll see your face. That's

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01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 3: how close you are, which is to me like it

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01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 3: was way more intimate than I thought would have been. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: So that was my brief Eden Park experience being an

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01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 3: all black. But do you know what was interesting about it?

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01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 3: Do you know what a Tony Box is? A Tony

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01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 3: Box is this thing that they have for the kids

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01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 3: which is completely safe for them, and they have these

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01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 3: little characters and they put it on top and it

1469
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 3: works like an audio player, so you can basically change

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01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 3: what you're listening to by putting a new character on.

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Speaker 3: Every single family that was there got given a gift

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Speaker 3: bag from Tony Box with a Tony box in it.

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01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 3: These things are two hundred and fifty dollars plus a

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01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 3: little thing to listen to with Mmma's music on it.

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01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 3: So Tony Box is making a play for the New

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01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 3: Zealand market. I mean that is an expensive activation, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty dollars for every single family? There's nutty,

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01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 3: but also how cool Nichola willis with us next news

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Speaker 3: talks they'd.

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Speaker 1: Be what's up, what's down? What were the major calls

1481
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: and how will it affect the economy?

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01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 2: The big business questions on the Business Hour with Heather

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01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 2: Duper Clan and mass Insurance and investments, your futures in

1484
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 2: goodheads used off said, be Hey.

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Speaker 3: Good evening. Coming up in the next hour, We're gonna

1486
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 3: have a chat to Shane Soly, just catch up on

1487
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 3: the oil price, also what the markets are doing. Chatter

1488
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 3: phrase a winner Ray actually big boss, former blisted company boss.

1489
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 3: He's got a really good idea on how we can

1490
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 3: beef up our key Wei Saver and compete with Australia

1491
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 3: and then out of the UK. We'll also have a

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01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 3: chat to Gavin Gray right now at seven past six,

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01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 3: and Nicola will us our finance ministers with us. Hello Nicola,

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Speaker 3: Hi Heather, Now just talk me through what you're doing

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01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 3: here with proposals to increase fuel supply. This sounds like

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01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 3: you're looking medium term, as in beyond this conflict, or

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01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 3: is it for this conflict.

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Speaker 7: It's for the fact that there could be disruption and

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01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 7: fuel supply as a result of this conflict. Right now,

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Speaker 7: the fuel companies are telling us everything's fine, they continue

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01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 7: to secure orders, they've got alternative sources of supply, but

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01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 7: we want to be prepared if the worst happens and

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01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 7: they can't get enough fuel for New Zealand. And we

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01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 7: have received some unsolicited proposals from parties saying we could

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01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 7: get you some increased supply. So we've agreed as a

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01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 7: cabinet that we will assess those proposals to see whether

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01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 7: that would add to our fuel security in the medium term.

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01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 7: And that includes making sure that it would be additional

1509
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 7: fuel security over and above which we already get from

1510
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 7: commercial fuel importers. And of course we need to do

1511
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 7: that in a way that minimizes risk to the tax path.

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01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 3: Who are these parties just offering to help.

1513
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 7: Look a range of commercial entities. They've come to us

1514
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 7: commercially in confidence, so I won't reveal that a domestic

1515
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 7: it's a range of both domestic and international parties. And

1516
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 7: one of the specific proposals relates to these tickets we

1517
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 7: have through the International Energy Agent, see which are options

1518
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,719
Speaker 7: for fuel. Those tickets at the moment are for crude

1519
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,759
Speaker 7: oil and things that wouldn't be particularly useful in New Zealand.

1520
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 7: But one of the offers we've had says, well, we'll

1521
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 7: swap you if you give us those tickets, We'll give

1522
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 7: you a amount of refined fuel that could go into

1523
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 7: New Zealand engines. And what we want to do is

1524
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 7: assess whether that stacks up and whether there's anyone else

1525
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 7: who might do the same thing on better terms.

1526
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 3: So would they do the refining for us? If we

1527
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 3: send them our crude, they'd refine it for us and

1528
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 3: give us.

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01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 7: Some well more direct, they just do a direct swap.

1530
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 7: We'd let them have access to those tickets, some of

1531
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 7: which is crued and some of which is refined products,

1532
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 7: and in return they would give us access to an

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01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 7: equivalent proportion of refined fuel that could.

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01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 3: Be used in New z Why would they want crude.

1535
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 7: Well, obviously there are a range of people around the

1536
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 7: world on the hunt for crude right now, because not

1537
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,839
Speaker 7: much crude can get out of the Strait of Womos.

1538
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 3: But if they give it, But if they've got the

1539
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 3: refined stuff, why are they relinquishing their refined stuff for crude?

1540
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 3: Why would they want crude over.

1541
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 7: Refined Because around the world there are refineries looking for

1542
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 7: alternative sources of crude oil because the major challenge for

1543
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 7: them is that they're not getting the normal supply of

1544
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 7: crude oil out of the Middle East, and so they're

1545
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 7: looking for alternative sources of supply.

1546
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 3: But aren't they just going to refine it a the US.

1547
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 7: Yes, that's right, they would refine it, but of course

1548
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 7: there would be a delay between that crude getting to

1549
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 7: them being refined, and so they're offering a quick solution,

1550
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 7: which is will swap you. And so we're assessing that proposal,

1551
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 7: its viability, its practicality, the commercial terms on which we

1552
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,839
Speaker 7: do it. And in addition, we've had some other commercial

1553
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 7: proposals for importing fuel direct to New Zealand, and we're

1554
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 7: conscious that we don't want to get in the way

1555
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 7: of the fuel companies here. They already have an obligation

1556
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 7: to import fuel into New Zealand to meet customer demand,

1557
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 7: and they have minimum stockholding obligations in New Zealand. That

1558
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 7: should be the way that this progresses. But what we're

1559
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 7: looking at is do we need an insurance policy so

1560
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 7: we've got a bit more backup should there be a

1561
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 7: last minute cancelation coming through one of those fuel companies.

1562
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 3: Listen, Kelly Echoled from Westpac says we need to start

1563
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 3: rationing the diesel now because it's some stage where are

1564
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 3: going to run out, and there seems to be an

1565
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 3: increasing number of people who are saying, maybe you guys

1566
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 3: need to be a little bit more panic.

1567
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 8: Now.

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01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they are right, but are you

1569
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 3: maybe being too relaxed?

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01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 7: No, I don't think so, because right now we have

1571
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 7: sufficient fuel in the country. In fact, we have so

1572
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 7: much fuel in the country that we're actually using our

1573
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 7: existing storage facility. So what we are preparing for, and

1574
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 7: they're right to say you should be prepared, is a

1575
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 7: scenario in which incoming fuel supplies reduce and that's not

1576
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 7: going to happen immediately because we know we've already got

1577
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 7: a lot of fuel in the country in our sovereign

1578
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 7: waters on the way, we know we haven't yet had

1579
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,919
Speaker 7: any orders canceled, but we are acting now to prepare

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01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 7: for a potent scenario in which future orders were delayed

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01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 7: or canceled. But that's not what's happening right now. In fact,

1582
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 7: today the diesel and petrol stocks are up nine days,

1583
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 7: so actually we are in a sufficient position right now,

1584
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:15,799
Speaker 7: but we're being prepared.

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01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 3: Okay, now read the McCain's closure. Is there anything that

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01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 3: we can do to stop the likes of mccains, to

1587
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 3: stop the likes of hinds water he's closing or is

1588
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 3: this simply inevitable and we need to just sit there

1589
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 3: and watch it.

1590
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 7: Well, it's heartbreaking for anyone affected by those sorts of closures,

1591
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 7: particularly the workers are directly losing their jobs, but also

1592
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 7: the growers who've had a relationship with those factories for

1593
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 7: a long time and it's called comfort. But overall, the

1594
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 7: manufacturing sector has been turning a corner in recent times.

1595
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 7: So you do see some firms close, others expand others open.

1596
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 7: But this is why the government is so focused on

1597
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 7: this issue of getting the underlying conditions for businesses better.

1598
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 7: We know that things like ensuring you've got less red tape,

1599
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 7: you can get a consent easier, that your electricity system

1600
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 7: is working well. These are all important to manufacturers and

1601
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 7: that's why we've had this growth agenda of saying what's

1602
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 7: getting in the way of business in New Zealand and

1603
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 7: why we've been so intent on fixing those problems.

1604
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,560
Speaker 3: Okay, but is there anything we can do to stop it?

1605
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 7: In this particular case, it's a commercial decision being taken

1606
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 7: by an individual firm.

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01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so take it away from effect thing. Let's

1608
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 3: taken away from I mean, yes, I've talked about individuals,

1609
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 3: but let's take it away from that and the de

1610
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 3: industrialization of this country. Is there anything we can do

1611
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,799
Speaker 3: to stop this from happening or is it just simply

1612
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 3: inevitable that we will lose businesses as we go along

1613
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 3: as a country.

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01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 7: No, I don't think it's inevitable. I think it is.

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01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 7: Why it's really important we have a highly functional electricity

1616
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 7: and energy system. And I could lament pass mistakes in

1617
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 7: the form of the oil and gas ban, but instead

1618
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 7: what we're focusing on is making sure that we've got

1619
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 7: rid of the red tape that was slowing down investment

1620
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 7: and new wind farms and solar generation that's necessary to

1621
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 7: increase generation of electricity in New Zealand and keep it affordable.

1622
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,560
Speaker 7: We're fast tracking those projects now. That's why we have

1623
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 7: moved to ensure that the energy sector has some certainty

1624
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 7: about the regulatory environment into the future, so that generators

1625
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 7: can invest in more generation. It's why we're backing Genesis

1626
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 7: Energy with more investment so that they can get on

1627
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 7: and not only expand generation and new forms of ring energy,

1628
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 7: but also continue to have that coal backstop available because

1629
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 7: that provides security to the whole electricity market in New Zealand.

1630
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 3: Did you see the guy the pea farmer who spoke

1631
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 3: to the media, Hugh Richie last week about the fact

1632
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 3: that he gets a dollar seventy for every kg of

1633
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 3: p's that he gives McCain's, but then he sees it

1634
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 3: on the supermarket shelves for five dollars eighty.

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01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 7: Yes, I saw that, and I wondered if you'd invite

1636
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 7: someone on from the supermarket chains to explain it.

1637
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 3: Is it a supermarket problem? Do you think?

1638
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 7: Well? I think would be interesting to hear their pective,

1639
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 7: don't you.

1640
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 3: I would, And I'll tell you what. I'll tell you

1641
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 3: what I'll make a deal with you, okay, because we've

1642
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 3: been here with the supermarkets. I'll get them on. I'll

1643
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 3: have a chat to them if hopefully if they talk

1644
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 3: to us. But then can we come back to you

1645
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 3: and find out what you're going to do about it?

1646
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 7: Sure? And look, we are doing something about it, which

1647
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 7: is we've already put in place new legislation to make

1648
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 7: it easier to open competitor supermarkets in this country. We've

1649
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:28,640
Speaker 7: increased the obligations on supermarkets to do fair pricing and

1650
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 7: fair promotional deals, and we are still actively working on

1651
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 7: other things that we could do to support increase competition

1652
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 7: in the grocery sept.

1653
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 3: Okay, I think we'll have a chat later on Nicola,

1654
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 3: thank you was always appreciated. That's Nikola willis the financement start.

1655
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 3: I was going to talk to her about Fraser Winnera's

1656
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 3: idea about key we save it, but I was putting

1657
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 3: the horse before the cart, So let's talk. We'll talk

1658
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 3: to Frase because it's a great idea. We'll talk to

1659
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 3: Fraser after half past six, and then next week I

1660
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 3: will remember and we'll talk to Nicola about whether she's

1661
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 3: into it or not. So we've already got next week

1662
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 3: sorted between the supermarkets and Fraser winner A. Sixteen past six,

1663
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 3: It's the.

1664
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 2: Heather dupla c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my

1665
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1666
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 3: Heather, are you even on next Monday?

1667
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 7: No?

1668
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 18: Thank you?

1669
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm not. Thank you for remembering. No, I'm

1670
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 3: not on next Monday. And maybe Nicholas with us on Tuesday,

1671
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 3: but maybe not. So we were postponing all of the

1672
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 3: psychodrama for another week thereafter, so maybe two weeks from now. Also,

1673
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 3: I forgot to give you the numbers, so I'll give

1674
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 3: you them shortly. Nineteen past six Shane Soley, Harbor Asset

1675
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 3: Managements with US. Hello Shane. All right, So the Brent

1676
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 3: oil price increased another two percent today, sitting at one

1677
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 3: one five USD a barrel. How have the investment markets

1678
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 3: reacted to the latest move and what economic sectism of

1679
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 3: factors are markets pricing in do you think?

1680
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 20: Yeah, Look, I'll start with the second piece first. Sooner

1681
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 20: we're starting to see excuse me, markets think about a

1682
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 20: stagflation light type environment, so higher inflation, lower growth, and

1683
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 20: when we think about that, investors are pricing in the

1684
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 20: first round effect of inflation from oil prices, and now

1685
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 20: they're starting to think about sorry, higher inflation going through

1686
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 20: the interest rates, and now they s don't think about

1687
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 20: what it means for earnings and things like credit ratings.

1688
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 20: So we've seen bond yields. There's this government ten year

1689
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 20: bond years in particular that increase with inflation risk. So

1690
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 20: US ten year bond yeards roads to four forty three

1691
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 20: last week. We've seen y on ten year bond years

1692
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 20: today up to four point eight percent, getting up there

1693
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 20: to recent highs. Sure markets continued forward lower growth risk

1694
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 20: UIs Shue market down two percent last week to be

1695
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 20: down seven point four percent month to day, when we

1696
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 20: were down one point four percent today Helen driven by

1697
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 20: weakness and Fish and Buckle Health Get and Brittully Boss

1698
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,799
Speaker 20: the big losers on the day with Fletcher Building, Westpac

1699
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,799
Speaker 20: Enrymans have more cyclical names, the more sensitive to slower activity.

1700
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 20: So yeah, we're we're down seven point one percent month

1701
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 20: to day here in New yandwer singing me a risk off.

1702
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, I see markets are talking about a bear flattener.

1703
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:52,959
Speaker 3: What does a bear flatner?

1704
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1705
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 20: So big flatnant is unusual. It means that The yell

1706
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 20: curve shape is for has chain. It's where the shorter

1707
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 20: termb interest rates, the nearer to maturity interest rates have

1708
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 20: increased faster than the longer term rates. So we've seen

1709
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 20: rates across the yelkub increase across all maturities, but they've

1710
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 20: increase more the short end, the nearer turm maturity.

1711
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 7: AES.

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01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 20: It matters because the beer should often signals that the

1713
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 20: market are expecting tire to manage your policy central banks

1714
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 20: increasing rates to combat inflation, but it frequently proceeds growth

1715
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 20: slowing down and potential recessions. So yeah, it's certainly a

1716
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 20: bit of a harbinger of things to turn down.

1717
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 3: Okay, now listen, tell me what you think of that

1718
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 3: deal between Zero and Anthropic on Fridays that's going to

1719
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 3: boost the share price for Zero.

1720
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 20: Well, look, on the faceook, we think it's a positive step.

1721
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 20: It sort of suggests that AI doesn't necessarily replace or

1722
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 20: disintermediate software and they can actually work together. Because this

1723
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 20: has been the big shock We've had the macro of

1724
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 20: Iran and now we've got the micro of which I've

1725
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 20: been software over the last few months. So this is

1726
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 20: a good deal for Zero andthropics Clawed will probably do

1727
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 20: a lot of the heavy lift thing for Zero's AI

1728
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 20: agent jacks. But what we don't know heither is what

1729
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 20: Zero is going to pay for the service. We don't

1730
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 20: know where the economic monetization is going to set, so

1731
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 20: the market's been a little bit wiry about it. We

1732
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 20: think it's important to deal with it. It actually helps

1733
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 20: change market sentiment or perspectives about long run Semen or

1734
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 20: val Us for Zero. But unfortunately on the day at

1735
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 20: the Zero share price is actually down three point two

1736
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 20: percent to seventy fifty, really reflecting weakness and US software stock.

1737
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 20: So a good deal, but you have to really roll through.

1738
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, Shane, thank you very much, Really appreciate your time.

1739
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 3: Mate that Shane. Sally Harborst Management will talk to you

1740
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 3: in probably a couple of weeks. Actually, here are the numbers.

1741
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:39,799
Speaker 3: Ends it X fifty down one point four four percent

1742
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 3: today ASX fifty down zero point seven seven eight percent,

1743
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 3: has of now a barrel of Brent crude, as Shane

1744
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,719
Speaker 3: was just saying, as one hundred and fifteen dollars US.

1745
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 3: That's up zero point sixty eight percent or so one

1746
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 3: New Zealand dollar is worth fifty seven US cents, eighty

1747
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 3: four Australian cents, fifty eurosents, forty three ukpens ninety one

1748
01:20:58,040 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 3: points sixty five yen six twenty two.

1749
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you.

1750
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:07,719
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mas.

1751
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 2: Insurance and investments, with your futures in good hands news

1752
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 2: talks that'd be hither.

1753
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 3: I spoke to a chili grower that sold Chili's to

1754
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 3: a major supermarket chain for eight dollars a cage in

1755
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 3: the supermarket, then repackaged them to sell it the equivalent

1756
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 3: of one hundred and sixty dollars a cage. Steve, thank you, okay.

1757
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 3: So I am going to get the supermarkets on. We're

1758
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 3: going to will Well all this invite them to come

1759
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 3: on and talk about this. So this was actually in

1760
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 3: the papers last week and I meant to draw your

1761
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 3: attention to it, but I ran out of time. But

1762
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 3: what it is as a pea farmer who farms and

1763
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,759
Speaker 3: has been supplying in exploring the peas to McCain and Hastings,

1764
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 3: Hugh Richie, he reckons there for every kg that he

1765
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 3: provides McCain, he gets paid one dollar seventy. Then they

1766
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 3: have to take obviously they have to wear the cost

1767
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 3: of processing and stuff like that. And McCain reckons they

1768
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 3: pay him a dollar seventy. They reckon that they sell

1769
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 3: it for a margin of around eight percent. Now on

1770
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 3: a dollar seventy is fourteen cents, right, So that means

1771
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 3: that they are on selling those peas presumer. We don't know, like,

1772
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 3: we don't know what what the cost of the processing is,

1773
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 3: but they must be on selling the Who knows? Are

1774
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 3: they on selling the peas for eight percent on top

1775
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 3: of a dollar seventy which is then a dollar eighty

1776
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 3: four the same quantity of peas though, once they're on

1777
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 3: the shelves at pack and Save end up selling dot

1778
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 3: a kg for five dollars seventy nine. So the question

1779
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 3: is what's going on between the one dollar seventy that

1780
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,640
Speaker 3: he gets paid and the five dollars seventy nine that

1781
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,560
Speaker 3: they're ending up on the shelf fat because that's about that,

1782
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 3: that's three dollars ninety fives four dollars that's unaccounted for.

1783
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 3: He says, someone is making a big margin, and it

1784
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 3: certainly isn't the growers, And he wants a Commission of

1785
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 3: Inquiry or something to find out what's going on. But

1786
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 3: I tell you what, Chris quinnov food Stuffs, WHI Jones

1787
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 3: Pack and Save is usually really great talking to the media.

1788
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 3: So whoever chat to him and see if maybe well

1789
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 3: if you a if you'll come on and be if

1790
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 3: he can explain it for us. Right now it's six

1791
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 3: twenty seven.

1792
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 1: There's no business like show business.

1793
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 3: What does a concert of six twenty seven?

1794
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 7: Was it?

1795
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 3: That actually is six twenty seven?

1796
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 21: Now?

1797
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:06,759
Speaker 3: The song you know, the song too Strong Hearts, Olivia

1798
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 3: News and John Farnham. This could end up getting an

1799
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 3: artist thrown in jail because somebody has gone and done

1800
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 3: a mural writing down some of those lyrics, the lyrics

1801
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 3: being specifically the River to the Sea. Queensland's got the

1802
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 3: new hate speech laws and because the pro Palestinian activists

1803
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 3: have been saying this particular line River to the Sea,

1804
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 3: it is now off limits, so they put the mural up.

1805
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,440
Speaker 3: They've put up a picture of John Farnham, a few watermelons,

1806
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 3: just to be absolutely clear what they're doing here. This

1807
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 3: is clearly testing the limits and the Queensland Police are

1808
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 3: now investigating this mural. They still don't know who the

1809
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 3: creator is, but Scott Marsh, who's another infamous street artist,

1810
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 3: is already railing against the laws and calling them a

1811
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 3: free speech nightmare.

1812
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 21: Freedom of speech is the bedrock of our whole society really,

1813
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 21: so if you're going to fight for that, you're going

1814
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 21: to fight for anything. So trying to be creative in

1815
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 21: saying so without ending up in jail. But we'll see

1816
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 21: what happens.

1817
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 3: You can kind of see what they're doing. They're trying

1818
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 3: to point out that it's okay. But you know, I'm

1819
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 3: just glad I'm not in Australian having to figure this

1820
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 3: one out and draw a line on this one. Let's

1821
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 3: see how it rolls out. Fraser Winner Raise.

1822
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:19,919
Speaker 1: With us next approaching the numbers and getting the results.

1823
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 2: It's Heather duples Clan on the Business Hour with mass

1824
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 2: Insurance and investments.

1825
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: Your futures in good hands. Used talks that'd be.

1826
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 3: The piece at one dollar seventy include the shell, so

1827
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 3: per kg of usable product is probably twice that. So

1828
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 3: let's stay it's three dollars forty per cage of what

1829
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 3: actually can be used. Then you add the processing, then

1830
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,919
Speaker 3: you add the storage, and then you add the distribution

1831
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 3: costs and then you add you eight percent. Keep you

1832
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 3: posted on how we go with the supermarkets on this

1833
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 3: twenty five away from seven now, Fraser Win, that's right.

1834
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 3: It was, of course the chief executive of Mercury Energy.

1835
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 3: Then he led to Sindar Dun's Business Advisory Council and

1836
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 3: now he's been spending his time redesigning key we Savor

1837
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 3: into something that he thinks would be more competitive with Australia.

1838
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 3: He's with us now, high Fraser, Hi Heather. Before we

1839
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 3: get into the details of how this is going to work,

1840
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 3: just explain to me why you're doing this.

1841
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 22: Well, when we're on that Business Advisory Council, we did

1842
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 22: give some advice to a Dun's government about you know,

1843
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 22: taking Key we Savior up another year. So I guess

1844
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 22: it's unfinished business from twenty nineteen twenty twenty and I

1845
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 22: picked it up about a year ago and thought we

1846
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 22: needed to give this a nudge. And I've been talking

1847
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 22: with a lot of people since.

1848
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 3: How much time you're recking you spending on this, oh

1849
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 3: hundreds of hours.

1850
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 22: I've met with more than thirty different organizations from wide

1851
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 22: range right across the spectrum, Union, EWE, PACIFICA financial services.

1852
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 22: Because they have something that's going to last a long time,

1853
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 22: like retirement policy, it needs to have a pretty broad consensus.

1854
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 3: Right, So you're actually building political support for your ideas

1855
01:25:58,920 --> 01:25:59,679
Speaker 3: at which doing.

1856
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 22: Well, try to build more, get all the ideas and

1857
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 22: from a broad bunch of people who will even be

1858
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 22: vote for different parties, because in the end long dated

1859
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 22: policy at least twenty years plus, you need something that's

1860
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 22: kind of more like a that had pass a super

1861
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 22: majority referendum, something that appeals to seventy five percent of

1862
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,759
Speaker 22: the electorate, not something that appeals to thirty five percent.

1863
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 3: Have you spoken to any politicians, not yet.

1864
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 22: They aim was to build it up with a lot

1865
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 22: of people. Check some bits on LinkedIn to get some

1866
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 22: more feedback. And it's amazing how many people have freely

1867
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 22: given their time to chat through experiences, the guy at

1868
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 22: IOD who put it in place twenty years ago, etc.

1869
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 22: So do all that, and then I've finished the policy

1870
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 22: summary and that went to every political leader two weeks ago.

1871
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 3: Okay, now tell me if I've got this roughly right.

1872
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 3: This is just a summary of what I think the

1873
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 3: plan is. So instead of starting the account, the key

1874
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 3: we save account when we start work, we open the

1875
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 3: account the minute the baby is born. We put five

1876
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 3: thousand dollars in as the bonus, the starting bonus, then

1877
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 3: one hundred bucks a year from the government every year

1878
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 3: as long as the parents put one hundred bucks in,

1879
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 3: and we pay for this by scrapping the two hundred

1880
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 3: and sixty dollars a year that the government gives us

1881
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 3: as workers, So we lose this as adult workers and

1882
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 3: we fallfeit to give it to the kids instead. Then

1883
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 3: we end total remuneration contracts. So this has to be

1884
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,679
Speaker 3: above what you are paid by your employer. And within

1885
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 3: twenty years we want to see employers paying not three

1886
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 3: and a half percent, twelve percent, and it not be

1887
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 3: contingent on what employees are putting in, just employers twelve percent.

1888
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 3: Is that correct?

1889
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 19: That's correct?

1890
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 3: Okay? Do you think you will get political support from

1891
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 3: politicians for this?

1892
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 22: Well, the key the first thing I want to know

1893
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 22: is is it affordable? And this is fiscally neutral At

1894
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 22: the moment that two hundred and sixty dollars everyone's getting

1895
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 22: for those that are participating in kW savor. If they

1896
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 22: put in one thousand, that got half last year and

1897
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 22: no one seemed to worry about it too much, and

1898
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 22: so it's down Tony a twenty five cents and a

1899
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 22: dollar incentive for those that are already participating. A whole

1900
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 22: bunch of people aren't actually participating in Kyi saber. And

1901
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 22: so that'd look at the half billion dollars that's spent

1902
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 22: on that two hundred and sixty dollars and go, well, cricky,

1903
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 22: you I'm missing out. So I think it's better and

1904
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 22: more equitable. Get it, and at burst when you've got

1905
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 22: sixty five years of compounding in front of you. So

1906
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 22: all those kids will get to eighteen, they'll be financially literate,

1907
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 22: they'll have twenty to twenty five thousand in their kiwisaber,

1908
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 22: and they'll all be kind of lined up like a

1909
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 22: good league defense there head. So you know it won't

1910
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 22: be that summer ahead and some are behind. They'll all

1911
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 22: be feeling very good about having a crack at the future.

1912
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 22: So is it physically neutral, Yes, do we get up

1913
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 22: to about twelve percent of gross, which is what you

1914
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 22: need from an actu aerial basis to enjoy a good

1915
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,680
Speaker 22: stand of living in retirement. It sort of almost a

1916
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 22: respect of what happens nzed super. Yes, that twelve percent

1917
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 22: is about the right number. And do I hear anyone

1918
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 22: in Australia in Canada saying, you know what, I think

1919
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 22: we've got the superannuation thing wrong. Let's just give it up,

1920
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 22: don't think so. So I've climbed the mountain over a

1921
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 22: long period of time and that's why it's going to

1922
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 22: take twenty years to get to twelve percent. It has

1923
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 22: to be done very gently on that radio because otherwise

1924
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 22: you'll blow the radiator going up the hill.

1925
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 3: Okay, So I know that you want to end total

1926
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 3: remuneration contracts, which is it's fine to say that out loud,

1927
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 3: but this will depress our paypackets, won't it. I mean,

1928
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 3: instead of taking a pay rise, we're not going to

1929
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 3: get a pay rise, we're going to get it's just

1930
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 3: going to go into key we save every year and

1931
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 3: they'll they'll sell it to us like that, the employers.

1932
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Speaker 22: Well, the thing is from the experience in Australian Canada.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's no free lunch.

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Speaker 22: If a little bit more is getting taken out of

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Speaker 22: the system and going into your own account. And by

1936
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Speaker 22: the way, that's where there's no uncertainty. The money does

1937
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Speaker 22: end up in your own key. We save your account

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Speaker 22: a little bit. Some of us will come from wages.

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Speaker 22: You won't get as high a pay raise. That's what

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Speaker 22: actually happens. In some instances the price of something will

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Speaker 22: be higher, like a haircut, and in some instances the

1942
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Speaker 22: returns to shareholders will be lower. So the cost of

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Speaker 22: adding half a percent a year and over twenty years

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Speaker 22: to go from two percent next year to twelve percent

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Speaker 22: in twenty forty seven, that that does come from somewhere,

1946
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Speaker 22: but it does end up in an individual's account, so

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Speaker 22: there's no uncertainty about the destination. See, yes, you do

1948
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Speaker 22: get some wage, you will get some slight wage depression

1949
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Speaker 22: because of this.

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Speaker 3: So is your timing off on this phraser Because it's

1951
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Speaker 3: a fantastic idea, and I think we all know that

1952
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Speaker 3: the young people leaving to Australia, part of the reason

1953
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Speaker 3: they're going is higher wages but also higher super But

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Speaker 3: as you're timing off, because what you're telling us is

1955
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Speaker 3: we have to do this thing that keeps our wages

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Speaker 3: lower and adds to inflation at a time where everybody

1957
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Speaker 3: is bloody strap the cash.

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Speaker 22: Well, the great thing is as qv savor two point

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Speaker 22: I actually backs up the bus because a few people

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Speaker 22: never got on it. A few people have fallen off,

1961
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Speaker 22: but more will fall off, but probably when the number

1962
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Speaker 22: goes from three to three and a half tomorrow. And

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Speaker 22: so this actually goes back to a point which says,

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Speaker 22: if you're an employee, put in whatever you want, and

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Speaker 22: so they don't necessarily need to put that, and this

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Speaker 22: is from twenty twenty seven. If you're an employer, you've

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Speaker 22: got to put in two percent, So that's not a

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Speaker 22: the three and a half. It's back at two. But

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Speaker 22: then everyone agrees and has the twenty year compact that's

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Speaker 22: going on.

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Speaker 3: All I see what you're saying.

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Speaker 18: So you actually way to twenty forty.

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Speaker 3: You lighten the pressure first, and then you start applying

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Speaker 3: the pressure in around about four years.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, that's right, because we've got to go back and

1976
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Speaker 22: pick everyone up that we left behind. And we can't

1977
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Speaker 22: suddenly whack the employers all in at a compulsory three

1978
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Speaker 22: and a half or employees employees all in at three

1979
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Speaker 22: and a half, because then they're probably going to get

1980
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Speaker 22: a five percent wage cut on a t REM contract.

1981
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Speaker 22: So we have to back the bus up slightly. But

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Speaker 22: then all agree we're going to go through to twenty

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Speaker 22: forty seven, and when we're there, I think we'll enjoy

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Speaker 22: the view.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so when's your first meeting with a politician?

1986
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Speaker 22: Well, hopefully we'll hear back from them shortly and I'll

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Speaker 22: follow them up.

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Speaker 14: They've been very busy dealing with a.

1989
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Speaker 22: With a stuck straight up moose and the consequences of that.

1990
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Speaker 22: So but there is an election later this year, so

1991
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Speaker 22: hopefully they'll be wanting to think about some good multi

1992
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Speaker 22: partisan policy that I think Keywis will get them behind it.

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Speaker 10: Certainly.

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Speaker 22: It deals with other things like parental leaven and another

1995
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 22: thing here to call the ibefa loophole, which I can

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Speaker 22: plain another time.

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Speaker 3: If you have, I will have to park that. But

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Speaker 3: I think I think that sounds like an interview in

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Speaker 3: and of itself. Phraser, thank you very much appreciated and

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Speaker 3: good work putting all this work in this. Phraser Winner,

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Speaker 3: a former Mercury Energy chief executive and Fonterra COO.

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Speaker 7: S.

2003
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Speaker 3: Shit, I like people like Fraser, don't you like people

2004
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 3: like Fraser? I just love people like Fraser because honestly,

2005
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 3: how much work did he put into that? And if

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01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 3: that actually and He's thought through all the little wrinkles

2007
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 3: and all the little things that we could poke at it,

2008
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 3: and he's actually come up with a decent idea that

2009
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 3: I almost feel slightly excited about. I know someone's going

2010
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 3: to pull cold water on this. Is probably gonna be

2011
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 3: a politician. But we'll get into it, Eh, why don't we? Yeah,

2012
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Speaker 3: I might think about this, might think about lending a

2013
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Speaker 3: bit of support to this if we get a chance. Now, love,

2014
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:48,560
Speaker 3: I love this. I love what I am reading in

2015
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 3: the papers. There is over in the States, in Kansas,

2016
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 3: there is a school called McPherson Middle School, none of

2017
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 3: which really matters to you because it's just a random

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Speaker 3: school in the middle of bloody no where in Kansas.

2019
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 3: Who can But what they've done is they are at

2020
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Speaker 3: the forefront of a fight back against the Chrome chromebook laptops. Now,

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01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 3: if you've got primary aged kids, or you've got friends

2022
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 3: with primary age kids, you know what I'm talking about here, right,

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01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 3: This is where all of a sudden, the kids go

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Speaker 3: at the school goes Chromebooks for everyone, Chromebooks for everyone learn.

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01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 3: And what do we know about children with devices? There

2026
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 3: ain't no learning going on on that chromebook because what

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01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 3: they're doing is they open it up, getting the Gmail

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01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 3: our emailing each other. One of them. I'm not going

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01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 3: to name any names. I know someone child, very young,

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01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 3: very young, showed quite graphic pawn to other kids. And

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01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 3: because that you can do on the chromebooks as well anyway,

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01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 3: So what they've done is they've parked all the they've

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01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 3: got the little carts charging carts, and they've parked all

2034
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 3: the chromebooks up there and they've gone here you go, Johnny,

2035
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 3: that's called paper, that's called a pen, start taking notes.

2036
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 3: And the kids are learning, because of course they are.

2037
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 3: And apparently there is this new tech backlash that's spreading

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01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 3: in education called the chromebook remorse. Now this I feel

2039
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 3: like I feel like I have timed the arrival of

2040
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 3: my children really well, because I feel like, unfortunately other

2041
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 3: generations of kids and kids that have come before my

2042
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,759
Speaker 3: children have to go through school with this crap being

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01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 3: given to them chromebooks so that they could learn. When

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01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 3: we all know and because we've all been through school, right,

2045
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 3: you know, if you write down your notes, you're going

2046
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 3: to remember it more, because this is proven by science.

2047
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 3: If you write it down, you remember it more than

2048
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 3: if you type it right, and so the poor kids

2049
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 3: have had to do all the chromebook crap. They have

2050
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 3: unfortunately lost their education. But there are other kids, Thank

2051
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 3: the good Lord, my children are part of this. How

2052
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 3: are going to go through and actually be using the

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01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 3: pens and papers again? And you know what, in all seriousness,

2054
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 3: when we come around to choosing primary schools, I am

2055
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 3: going to be casting an eye on how much of

2056
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:47,560
Speaker 3: the stuff is being done the old school way, with

2057
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 3: the old quill as opposed to the old tap tap taps.

2058
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 3: Thank god, we're learning the lessons and getting rid of

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01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 3: the devices out of classes quarter two.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics. It's fall

2061
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 2: on the business hour. We have the Dupa CLA and

2062
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 2: Me's insurance and investments, your futures in good heads.

2063
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 1: News talks heavy hither.

2064
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 3: I can't believe that I came home the other day

2065
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 3: to my kids telling me they had a whole day

2066
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 3: at school playing games because there was no Wi Fi.

2067
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 3: Bring back the pen and the pencil, Lord above, they've

2068
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 3: lost their way in education, haven't they. Twelve away from

2069
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 3: seven Gavin grayo Are I was going to say our

2070
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:25,599
Speaker 3: good sort, but also our good sort and our UK

2071
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 3: correspondence with us Ello Gevin. I have a note saying

2072
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 3: good sorts in front of me. That's the problem. Now

2073
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 3: tell me what's going on with this bomb attech that's

2074
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Speaker 3: been foiled in Paris.

2075
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Speaker 23: Yes, so three people have now been detained. Now, initially

2076
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 23: a man or suspect was detained at the scene outside

2077
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Speaker 23: Bank of America's headquarters in Paris. It's just a couple

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Speaker 23: of streets along from the chens of Lise and according

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01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 23: to France's anti terrorism prosecutor, that suspect is now being questioned,

2080
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Speaker 23: having allegedly placed a device containing five liters of liquid

2081
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Speaker 23: believed to be and an ignition system close to the bank.

2082
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 23: Now there is apparently a further suspect filming that person

2083
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 23: about to light that device when they were stopped by

2084
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 23: the police. The person doing the filming ran off, but

2085
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:18,719
Speaker 23: they prosecutor to say that the person who is about

2086
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:21,720
Speaker 23: to light it has been detained. And since then we've

2087
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 23: learned in the last twenty four hours there have been

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Speaker 23: two more arrests too. Now it's interesting France's Interior ministry

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Speaker 23: admitting that the attempted attack could be linked to the

2090
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 23: US Israel war on Iraq, with no surprise there, but

2091
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 23: he said Iran is acting through proxies around Europe and

2092
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 23: they're rather interestingly said that it's not just France that

2093
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 23: has had these foiled attacks. There have been others in

2094
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:48,719
Speaker 23: the Netherlands, Britain and Norway, and is urging security services

2095
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 23: to be extra vigilant and increase their presence at transport

2096
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 23: hubs and other locations across the country. So those three

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01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:58,839
Speaker 23: people in for questioning. It is thought that the initial

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01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:02,759
Speaker 23: suspect is a minor. They can be held for ninety

2099
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 23: six hours, but certainly lots here for police to investigate.

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Speaker 3: What's going on in the UAE.

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01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 1: Well in the UAE.

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Speaker 23: According to a pressure group here in the UK, the

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Speaker 23: number of Britons who have been detained because they took

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Speaker 23: photos and videos of the attacks from Iran has reached

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Speaker 23: seventy So there is a very what one might describe

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Speaker 23: as draconian cyber crime law in the United Arab Emirates

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Speaker 23: which basically forbids the sharing of war images. Now, of course,

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Speaker 23: this is all about not wanting to lose or tarnish

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Speaker 23: the United Arab Emirates image for being a clean and

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Speaker 23: safe place, but they actually have legislation that prevents you

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Speaker 23: from taking a picture which might undermine not undermine the image,

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Speaker 23: but that might necessarily concern or worry people. And so

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Speaker 23: according to this pressure group here based in the UK,

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Speaker 23: called a Detained indo by they reckon fifty to seventy Britons.

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Speaker 23: Possibly more could have been detained for having these images

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Speaker 23: or sharing these images from their phone.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 23: Of course, as the bonds have been going off beamed

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Speaker 23: over to the United Arab Emirates from Tehran, plenty of

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Speaker 23: people have gone immediately onto social media. In fact, there

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Speaker 23: are lots of social media influencers that have left the

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Speaker 23: UK to go and live in the United Arab Emirates,

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Speaker 23: and yet here they are, some of them being detained.

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Speaker 23: Now the British embassy over in Dubai is saying, actually

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Speaker 23: we reckon the number is probably near a dozen, maybe

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Speaker 23: not even that. We're helping a number of families with

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Speaker 23: various things that they've got into trouble with, but yet

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Speaker 23: interested there are many more potentially out there that are

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Speaker 23: quite simply choosing not to speak to the media in

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Speaker 23: the hope this issue might go away.

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Speaker 3: Interesting Devin, thank you as always appreciate your time. Kevin

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Speaker 3: gray Are UK correspondent Ralla. I'll explain the good sort

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Speaker 3: of thing and just to take its eide away from seven,

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Speaker 3: it's the.

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Speaker 3: Hither. The person you interviewed about Key We Save It

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Speaker 3: is the same as everybody I've ever heard. They always

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Speaker 3: quote Australia, but they never seem to understand that the

2140
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Speaker 3: Australian system has a huge tax advantage compared to New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: which is why people invest in it. Australia offers a

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Speaker 3: highly tax advantage superannuation system. You can contribute up to

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Speaker 3: twenty seven thousand dollars a year tax at just fifteen percent,

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Speaker 3: and from age sixty earnings and capital gains are tax

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Speaker 3: free on balances up to one point nine million, with

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Speaker 3: long term gains otherwise tax at only ten percent. In contrast,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand taxes income at full marginal rates going in

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Speaker 3: and continues taxing investment returns along the way. The result

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Speaker 3: is a much weaker incentive to invest through Key We

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Speaker 3: Save It compared to Australia. This is a fair point

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Speaker 3: that you raise and one which I will look here.

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Speaker 3: I have my pen like a primary primary primary student,

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Speaker 3: got my paper writing down Fraser Winner Ray tax incentive,

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Speaker 3: and I'll send I'll send Fraser an email and I

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Speaker 3: will ask Phraser what is the tax incentive? And then

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Speaker 3: I will come back to you tomorrow in the six

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Speaker 3: o'clock hour and I will answer that question for you

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Speaker 3: as to whether there is one or not. Now, the

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Speaker 3: reason that I wrote down good Sorts before was because

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Speaker 3: apparently TV and SAID is reconsidering whether it wants to

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Speaker 3: do the good Sorts segment. To be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: I was a little surprised they still were. And it's

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Speaker 3: not because it's not a good segment, because it is good.

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Speaker 3: And I was working at TV and Z when Hayden

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Speaker 3: and was it was an immediate hit. It's not that

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised because it's it's not quality. I'm surprised because

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Speaker 3: I never make it that far through the bloody bulletin

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Speaker 3: do you? And so we conducted We've got a bunch

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Speaker 3: of people here who have worked at TV and Z

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Speaker 3: or worked work in the media. Well, you know, I've

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Speaker 3: got a lot of people who work in the media,

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Speaker 3: working in this media outlet, and we did a little

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Speaker 3: we did a little survey today of should they keep

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Speaker 3: Good Sorts or not, and the overriding those of us

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Speaker 3: who said, nah, get rid of it. The reason we

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Speaker 3: said we said get rid of it was because Hayden

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Speaker 3: and will be bloody expensive. So Hayden lives in New Plymouth,

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Speaker 3: so he's on contractor rates. Contractor rates are always higher

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Speaker 3: than in house rates, like hourly, but then he's also

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Speaker 3: being flown around the country to do it right, so

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Speaker 3: that's an immediate cost increase. So it's a it's a

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Speaker 3: bloody expensive little little thing that they'll be doing. So

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Speaker 3: we start to get rid of it. If it's not

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Speaker 3: if people aren't watching it for the sake of watching it,

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Speaker 3: and it's lost its sponsor, it's too expensive, get rid

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Speaker 3: of it. People who loved it were like, no, but

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Speaker 3: that's nostalgia. It's nice. Lightens the mode, And I said, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: lightens the mood. When was the last time you watched it?

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Speaker 3: Not looking at anyone in particular, I don't know. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: I think they're going to get rid of Good Sorts ego.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the thoughts on good Sorts Kensy Kensy isn't

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Speaker 3: answer has got man flu?

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Speaker 8: That's all right, Look Heather, we're going to go out

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Speaker 8: with a bit of the Korean boy band BTS.

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Speaker 10: Who are they?

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Speaker 8: I don't even know that cool? Oh okay, well I

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Speaker 8: don't so apparently I'm not cool. But anyway, their their

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Speaker 8: new album has bet Harry Styles album. It's called So,

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Speaker 8: it's called Aria, and it's had one hundred and ten

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Speaker 8: million streams on Spotify in its first day, which is

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Speaker 8: double of what Harry's new album got.

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Speaker 3: So watch out Harry. Yeah, well this is about six

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Speaker 3: of them to first four as opposed to just one

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Speaker 3: of Harry. So that's what that's what happened there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think it's six. I don't know anyway, Thank you, Kenzy,

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Speaker 3: done a great job. Nobody even noticed. Don't tell Ant's

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Speaker 3: see them, No Weigall's swell.

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