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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Allen Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected U.

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Speaker 2: Stork z B.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today.

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Speaker 3: We are going to bring you the Melbourne Cup live

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Speaker 3: after the five and then we're off to the US.

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Speaker 3: Our very own Thomas Coglan is there. He's getting into

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Speaker 3: Carmela's big HQ. He's going to give us the insight

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Speaker 3: into which side is panicking the day before the election.

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Speaker 3: Labor here is taking a crack at the Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: for not knowing anything about the use of force and

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Speaker 3: Act wants our public servants to be allowed to use ubers.

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Speaker 3: They're not allowed.

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Speaker 4: Heather Duplessy Allen, all right.

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Speaker 3: There are a couple of stories in the news today

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Speaker 3: that suggest to me there are some amongst us who

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Speaker 3: are maybe just a little naive about the realities of

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Speaker 3: dealing with our most difficult customers in this country. Now,

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Speaker 3: the first story is the big brew ha ha of

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Speaker 3: the day. This is the one about the staff using

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Speaker 3: force on the delinquent kids in the boot camps. Right now,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk about the Prime Minister here

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Speaker 3: because we're going to deal with him in a minute.

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Speaker 3: But what this kerfuffle is actually about is what I'm

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Speaker 3: going to talk about right now, which is the staff

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Speaker 3: at the boot camp being given permission to use force

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Speaker 3: on these kids. Now, let's understand something here. The staff

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Speaker 3: have not been given some sort of special new power

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Speaker 3: they don't already have. They already have permission to use force.

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Speaker 3: They can only use it inside the boot camps. This

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Speaker 3: permission has now been extended to outside the boot camps

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Speaker 3: as well. So, for example, if they take the kids

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Speaker 3: on an overnight statum at I a normal mad or

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Speaker 3: I don't know, take them to the zoojis I don't know,

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Speaker 3: to take them outside to try to kind of rehab

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Speaker 3: them back into into normal life. Right, in that case,

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Speaker 3: they can use the same kind of powers, the force,

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Speaker 3: that they would be able to use inside the boot camp,

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Speaker 3: but they're only allowed to use as much as is

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Speaker 3: necessary in order to stop a kid running away or

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Speaker 3: hurting themselves or hurting someone else. Right, So this is

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Speaker 3: not open slat to give the kids the bash or

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Speaker 3: anything like that. It is simply extending a power they've

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Speaker 3: fair enough as well. These kids are not in boot

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Speaker 3: camps because they're nice kids with good manners and excellent

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Speaker 3: anger management. They are in the boot camp because they're problematic.

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Speaker 3: So the chance that someone needs to restrain a violent kid,

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Speaker 3: I would say, is probably quite high. So let's get real.

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Speaker 3: If you are dealing with young people who kick up,

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Speaker 3: as a matter of course, you need to be able

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Speaker 3: to restrain them. This is not outrageous, this is necessary.

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Speaker 3: The second story is the complaint about the police raids

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Speaker 3: on a portocky gang houses terrorizing children. Would you please

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Speaker 3: get a grip A police raid, I would venture is

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Speaker 3: probably the least of the concerns of these children growing

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Speaker 3: up in gang houses. They are growing up in gang houses.

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Speaker 3: These places are not known as ideal family homes full

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Speaker 3: of you know, I don't know, quiet time, nice routine,

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: These raids apparently netted firearms, drugs and stopped two possible murders,

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Speaker 3: including a drive by shooting at a local mid I So,

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Speaker 3: would a police rate really be the worst thing that

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Speaker 3: feel like it's very easy to point the finger of blame.

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Speaker 3: It authorities for being heavy handed or mean. But if

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Speaker 3: we do that, let's be absolutely sure that we understand

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Speaker 3: the realities of how the other side in this equation

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Speaker 3: likes to behave.

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Speaker 4: Heather duplus Ellen nine two.

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Speaker 3: Ninety two is the text number. Standard text fees apply

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Speaker 3: now to the Melbourne Cup because this is the big

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Speaker 3: sporting event of the day, isn't it. The TAB is

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Speaker 3: estimating that New Zealanders are going to collectively spend about

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Speaker 3: thirty million dollars betting on the Melbourne Cup today. There

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Speaker 3: are three Kiwi horses taking part in the big race

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Speaker 3: and you've got trust in you. We're going to be broadcasting,

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Speaker 3: as I said, the race live and free right here

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Speaker 3: on NEWSTALGSDB at five o'clock today. McK geran is the

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Speaker 3: New New Zealand Herald's racing editor is with us now.

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Speaker 3: Hey Mick, Hey, how are you?

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Speaker 6: And I hope your listeners are having a cool Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, meet, Well that's about to get a lot cooler

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Speaker 3: in about fifty minutes, isn't it. Who's going to win?

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Speaker 7: It's it's a trick.

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Speaker 6: There's twenty three horses in the race here they're usually

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Speaker 6: there's twenty four, but one of them got scratched last night.

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Speaker 6: Because the Vets take this race really seriously. If a

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Speaker 6: can't start, even if the trainers or owners aren't happy

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Speaker 6: about it. So after all of that twenty three horses.

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Speaker 6: They come from England, Island, France, Japan, New Zealand and Australia.

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Speaker 6: The Europeans are better at doing this type of racing

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Speaker 6: two mile racing or thirty two hundred meters, and therefore

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Speaker 6: they're the smarter bet. Now, if you are going to

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Speaker 6: have a bit today, listeners, don't blow the rent money

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Speaker 6: by all means blow the cappuccino money. If you can

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Speaker 6: ever five or a ten, you'll be okay. And I

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Speaker 6: think bad's going to happen there. But I do think

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Speaker 6: that you can be smart if you want to get

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Speaker 6: two horses in the same race. Number one is vou Barn.

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Speaker 6: Now he's really good and he's the best horse in

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Speaker 6: the race, but he's not proven in Australia, which is

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Speaker 6: a lot warmer obviously than Ireland, so it's twenty seven

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Speaker 6: didn't like it much. But they bought him out earlier

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Speaker 6: this year and acclimatized him. He's the best bet. He's

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Speaker 6: paying seven dollars fifty. So if you have twenty dollars

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Speaker 6: Vaubar number one and then your other bet is number

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Speaker 6: thirteen one. Smooth operator. Now he is also from England.

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Speaker 6: He's actually from York and the top of England, but

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Speaker 6: the Cup before. So if you split your bet, Heather

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Speaker 6: and I know you won't be because you're working. But

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Speaker 3: Other than just being you know, wise with your money,

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Speaker 3: why would you not blow your rent money on it?

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Speaker 8: I do either.

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Speaker 6: I bet semi professionally, so I bet to that level.

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Speaker 6: But it's no different to if you don't research shears,

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Speaker 6: you don't understand real estate, don't go buying a whole

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Speaker 6: of our houses. It's like anything like that. If you

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Speaker 6: don't understand a subject, but you still want to have

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Speaker 6: the fun. Like all people who are betting today, it's

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Speaker 6: training time for money and you enjoy the experience, but

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Speaker 3: So that's the way I look at.

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Speaker 6: Punting today, and for many people it's the only time

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Speaker 5: Enjoy it.

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Speaker 6: If you have a horse named after your auntie or

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Speaker 3: Okay, why are the key we horses not in there?

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Speaker 6: We sell most of our really good staying horses, so

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Speaker 6: those who've gotten today this is a huge deal. You're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, actually, very good point, Nick, Thank you for to

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Speaker 3: us through to appreciate mcgerrn, New Zealand Herald Racing Editor.

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Speaker 3: So if you can't remember what makes sense number one

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Speaker 3: be over eighteen and bet responsibly and stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. Hey, good news if you're into Game of Thrones,

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Speaker 3: there is a movie coming. There is a movie coming.

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Speaker 3: So apparently Warner Brothers is very quietly on the DL

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Speaker 3: the down low, working on at least one film set

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Speaker 3: for the movie. But also calm your farm very early days.

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Speaker 3: No writer, no director, no cast. Just get seventeen past four.

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Speaker 1: Who will take the White House results and analysis of

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Speaker 1: the US election on Heather Duplessy Alan drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. Let's get connected the news talk said, be

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Speaker 9: Hello, Hi, how you doing.

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Speaker 3: Have you put money on the No?

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Speaker 4: Why not?

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Speaker 10: It must be the first Tuesday of November.

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Speaker 3: We are standing by for a decision out of the

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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your

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Speaker 1: with One New Zealand let's get connected a news talk

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, don't forget, don't forget. We're going to Flemington

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Speaker 3: after five o'clock for the Melbourne Cup race and there

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what what's bad about what happened this

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Speaker 3: morning when Chris was interviewed by Mike Hosking. There's two things.

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Speaker 3: He said, I haven't had that conversation. Actually he had

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Speaker 3: Not comfortable. No, not comfortable with this at all. Doesn't

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Speaker 3: why did you make the decision then to do it?

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Speaker 3: So now you're telling me that you don't like you

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Speaker 3: just cinda got caught out on which you're not across

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Speaker 12: Maybe one of Ronan's covers, A be a bit nice,

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Speaker 13: Hard out?

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Speaker 14: Hideous?

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Speaker 3: When you were playing before?

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Speaker 12: When you've say nothing mills?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: And like what a statement A I love you lady

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: Some unfortunately got a mauvy one.

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Speaker 12: Going on here at two Ronan songs. I hope Murray

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Speaker 3: Up and Q's twenty two away from five.

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Speaker 4: It's the world wires on news talks, it'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: It's election day tomorrow in the US. More than eighty

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Speaker 3: million Americans have already cast an early vote. Kamala Harris

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Speaker 15: This is it?

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Speaker 3: Just one more day, one more day, one more day

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Speaker 3: left in one of the most consequential elections of our

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Speaker 3: lifetime and momentum is on our side. Can you feel it?

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Speaker 3: We have Momenta Ray whew. Less than half an hour

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Speaker 4: It was just a joke. International correspond it's with ends

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Speaker 3: Murray old as he corresponding with us now Mars afternoon,

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Speaker 3: Heather got your fascinator on.

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Speaker 5: Oh mate, this looks fascinating.

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Speaker 2: I actually I could do I mean the whole of

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Speaker 2: head hair transplant would It would be a whole lot better.

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Speaker 3: Than Yeah, we'll have you did about the Melvin cup sut.

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Speaker 3: We just want to talk about the RBA decision.

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Speaker 2: Rates have been held, have they They have it four

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Speaker 2: point three five percent as expected. I don't think anybody

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Speaker 2: was tipping going to cut today. One more meeting in

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Speaker 2: December and then into the new year, and the feeling

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Speaker 2: is that the Reserve Bank will move to cut into rates. Look,

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Speaker 2: inflation veigas have been good, but they're not as sweet

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Speaker 2: as the Reserve Bank wants. And Michelle Bullock, I mean,

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Speaker 2: if they thought she was going to be a pushover,

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Speaker 2: forget it.

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Speaker 5: She's a very very tough customer. She was the Deputy

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Speaker 5: Governor of the Reserve Bank for a very long time

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Speaker 5: and she has made.

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Speaker 2: It clear from the start she's not going to be

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Speaker 2: bullied or pushed around by politicians and she will be

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Speaker 2: you know, she and the board will be altering rates

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Speaker 2: when they think Australia is in a sustainable sweet.

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Speaker 5: Spot, and that looks like being in the new year.

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Speaker 2: All the big four banks over here anticipating rate cuts

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Speaker 2: very very early in February, and some of them three

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Speaker 2: times next year, says the A and Z. Four cuts

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Speaker 2: according to Commonwealth Bank and Westpac, and the NAB is

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Speaker 2: saying well five and just right cuts next year.

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Speaker 5: So why jump ahead of the of the curve?

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Speaker 2: So no cut, No early Christmas present expected next month

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Speaker 2: either for mortgage holders.

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Speaker 5: But watch your space in the new year.

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Speaker 3: Now, good, okay, Now what have you taken out any

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Speaker 3: bits on the Melbourne Cup?

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Speaker 2: I haven't because I'm the most hopeless punter ever. The

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Speaker 2: last time I bet in the Melbourne Cup was nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty three, and have a guess who won? Kiwi Kiwi

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Speaker 2: won in eighty three, lasted the last turn and stormed home.

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Speaker 2: So today, if you've got any lazy dollars, Buckeroo has

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Speaker 2: firm up.

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Speaker 5: Vau Bown is also right up there.

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Speaker 2: Seven dollars earlier today one smooth Operator was at eight bucks.

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Speaker 2: The value bet they reckon was warm Speed. If you're

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Speaker 2: liking a female jockey, there are a record four in

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Speaker 2: the race today. There's Jamie Carr on Okita sushi, Holly

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Speaker 2: Doyle on c King, Rachel King on the map, and

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Speaker 2: we're known a cost on positivity.

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Speaker 5: Mark Mara the jockey looking to run a.

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Speaker 2: Hat trick, Heather his third straight Melbourne Cup if he

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Speaker 2: gets up today on Circle of Fire and if you

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Speaker 2: win four point four million dollars to the winning connections,

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Speaker 2: second gets one point one million, third gets a lazy

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Speaker 2: half million dollars.

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Speaker 3: It just like that, but cheeky upa mil hey. So

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Speaker 3: have these independent MPs actually canceled the lounges memberships?

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Speaker 5: Well, they're saying they're going to.

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Speaker 2: And don't expect a bad rush from all the other

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Speaker 2: politicians in Federal Parliament, because that's one of the perks.

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Speaker 2: These people really love a lot of the whole lot

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Speaker 2: of them, both sides, all sides. The Greens are in

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Speaker 2: there with the snouts and the trough the you know.

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Speaker 2: And of course you won't hear too many of the

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Speaker 2: politicians saying, oh, all they're doing is virtue signaling. These

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Speaker 2: are independents. But that's exactly what they're doing. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they've been called out for another greedy excess of grab

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Speaker 2: that politicians always seem to get caught out on I

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Speaker 2: mean it's top of to them for free. I accept that,

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Speaker 2: but it's just a crooked look. But everybody over here

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Speaker 2: eating whick bits for dinner the last thing. These people

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Speaker 2: get about a quarter million dollars a year and start

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Speaker 2: climbing from there.

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Speaker 5: It just looks terrible.

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Speaker 2: And for the opposition to be howling at albaneasy about

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Speaker 2: his house and about the flights, give me a break.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Bridget McKenzie's the shadow transport minister. I know

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Speaker 5: I've never taken a flight. Oh yeah, I did take one.

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Speaker 2: Oh my staff are now looking how many have actually

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Speaker 2: taken It's just pocracy written in neon lights right across

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Speaker 2: the front of the stage.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody likes getting found out like that. Mars, thank

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Speaker 3: you very much, going and enjoy the race. Appreciate timate.

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Speaker 3: Marriold's Australia correspondent. You're not gonna believe this. Labour wants

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Speaker 3: an inquiry into the Portocky raids. That's right, Labor wants

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Speaker 3: an inquiry to find out if the police did the

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Speaker 3: wrong thing by the gang members. I mean, cool, you're

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Speaker 3: on the right side of that debate. Labor. You just

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Speaker 3: carry on like that.

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Speaker 4: What are they doing?

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Speaker 3: Are they trying to cut the Maori Party's lunch by

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Speaker 3: being more crazy than them? Anyway, Barry Soaper will talk

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Speaker 3: us through that in a minute. Something weird going on

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Speaker 3: at IAD and I can't quite get my head around

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Speaker 3: and rang you through that before this hour is through.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper's next sixteen Away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and get payments, certainty.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper, senior political correspondent, is with us right now. Barry, Hello,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon. Now Barry, what Labour wants an inquiry into

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Speaker 3: the mongrel mob raids to determine what exactly please.

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Speaker 9: I mean, honestly, let's put this in perspective. Police executed

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Speaker 9: thirty search warrants on this They twenty eight people were arrested, methamphetamines,

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Speaker 9: ammunition and guns were found and now my assassinations were prevented,

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Speaker 9: that's right, prevented. Labour's Penny says that the inquiry should

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Speaker 9: be made into the allegations that children were somehow, somehow

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Speaker 9: kept by police in the houses for some hours. A

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Speaker 9: spurious allegation that was made, and of course it's been

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Speaker 9: vehemently denied by the minister or police well, there's one

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Speaker 9: avenue to do if you really want to take the

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Speaker 9: police to task, go to the complaint police complaints authority.

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Speaker 9: That's where you take your complaint. Don't have a formal enquirum.

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Speaker 9: And these people with a mongrel mob and really by

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Speaker 9: labor throwing its weight behind others in the political spectrum.

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Speaker 9: Really I don't know where they think they're going to

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Speaker 9: end up in the Maldi party.

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Speaker 3: It's a weird thing because it is a wee he

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Speaker 3: had caused champion, isn't it.

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Speaker 9: It's just weird.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Now what do you make of Luxem's performance

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Speaker 3: this morning where he didn't know anything about conversations about

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Speaker 3: the use of force outside boot camps when he was

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Speaker 3: part of those conversations.

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Speaker 9: Well, of course he did know, and maybe he had forgotten,

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Speaker 9: who knows, But look it was very much to the fore.

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Speaker 9: In parliament this afternoon there was a leaked ministerial document

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Speaker 9: from the Children's Commissioner Current Tours Offers that showed force

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Speaker 9: would be able to be used at these camps, and

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Speaker 9: that was seen as terrible by the Green Party's Tamotha Paul,

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Speaker 9: who obtained that document. She said the government's proposal was scary.

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Speaker 9: It's the use of force against these young people who

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Speaker 9: have committed We've got to remember serious crimes that seem

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Speaker 9: to upset but Paul, but certainly not current.

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Speaker 14: Sure does she support for profit organizations being able to

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Speaker 14: run military style a mease and use force against young people.

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Speaker 17: It is the power to use minimum force as reasonably required.

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Speaker 17: I'm proud of the fact we've managed to step up

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Speaker 17: a pilot, have ten young people have a chance to

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Speaker 17: turn their lives around and invest in making sure they

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Speaker 17: have every opportunity to be the best that they can be.

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Speaker 17: I'm proud of that, and I'm looking forward to seeing

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Speaker 17: many more children have the opportunity.

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Speaker 9: I'd say here to that, but not happy to leave

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Speaker 9: it alone. Labors will a gene prime. She fired another

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Speaker 9: question and got more than she gave.

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Speaker 14: Does she agree with the advice from ordering Automatiqi officials

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Speaker 14: that the provision of powers to use force may result

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Speaker 14: in harm if not used appropriately, And if not, why not?

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Speaker 17: Yes, mister speaker, that's why it must be used appropriately.

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Speaker 17: The whole point is making sure we mitigate those risks.

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Speaker 17: You get in a car, you put on a seat pal,

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Speaker 17: you get in a boat, you put on a life jacket.

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Speaker 17: This is about us giving the young people the life

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Speaker 17: jacket and the seeing that they need to better their lives.

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Speaker 9: Yep, fair enough too.

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Speaker 4: And look I just looked up.

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Speaker 9: To qualify for these boot camps, these young angels that

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Speaker 9: shouldn't be touched must have committed at least two serious

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Speaker 9: crimes carrying a sentence of ten years or more.

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Speaker 3: Perfectly, that's serious, yep, perfectly. Well we have children, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: So Benjamin Doyle has been sworn in to replace our

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Speaker 3: friend Darlene.

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Speaker 9: He has and look called the old fashioned. And I

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Speaker 9: thought about Rob Muldoon, Dare I say it when he

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Speaker 9: strode into the house this afternoon to be sworn And

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Speaker 9: I mean Muldoon would be turning in a sky, his

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Speaker 9: star in the sky if he was witnessing what happened today.

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Speaker 9: In terms of dress, I must say Benjamin Doyle is

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Speaker 9: the first non binary MP in New Zealand's history. Now,

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Speaker 9: he strode in essentially in a skirt and a sort

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Speaker 9: of a blousey top and a Palestinian flag as an

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Speaker 9: accessory draped over his arm, and a rather interesting looking hat.

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Speaker 3: And I looked at kind of like a pillow.

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Speaker 9: I looked at David Semol's face and his jaw was

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Speaker 9: a gog as the span STRAI.

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Speaker 3: To be sworn by anklet socks and dock Martins.

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Speaker 9: The little tattoo down near the ankle. But look, he said,

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Speaker 9: he's looking forward to representing Maldy because he is part

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Speaker 9: Mild and he's part Scottish as well.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a kilt.

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Speaker 9: No, it was not a kilt.

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Speaker 7: It was a skirt.

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Speaker 3: It's very kilty.

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Speaker 7: Look.

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Speaker 9: I looked at it very closely, astounded. I had to

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Speaker 9: look at it closely. He said he's looking forward to

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Speaker 9: representing Maldy and queer voices in Scott's in Parliament.

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Speaker 3: And Scott's he's looking forward to Britain and queer always.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I just thought because I thought you said

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Speaker 3: he's part Scottish.

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Speaker 5: So I think.

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Speaker 9: He admitted to being intimidated by the structure of Parliament.

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Speaker 9: In an interview this morning, he said it's a colonial

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Speaker 9: institution and as someone who's an advocate for Maldi and

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Speaker 9: who's really upfront with his feelings, he most certainly is

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Speaker 9: about the institution and racism and white white supremacy. He

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Speaker 9: feels it quite confronting. Well, you know he's come to

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Speaker 9: Parliament with a great attitude. You'll be pleased to hear

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Speaker 9: hither he admitted that he doesn't want to become Prime minister.

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Speaker 9: Bring back Darling Tada.

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Speaker 3: There's a slim chance of that. I was say, being

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Speaker 3: a green MV. Very thanks very much, but you know

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Speaker 3: one can one can dream. Very so for senior political correspondent,

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Speaker 3: currently also a fashion blogger by the Sounds of Thing

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Speaker 3: seven away from five.

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Speaker 4: Digging into the issues that affect you. The my asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: Deposits, which I've long argued for a way too high

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Speaker 18: in this country. Needing twenty percent of a million bucks

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Speaker 18: is ridiculous. Home and business lending is up a little bit.

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Speaker 18: Is that a sign of the economy and green shoots

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Speaker 18: and all of that or not, it's a couple of things.

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Speaker 19: The housing market has definitely started to pick up.

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Speaker 18: When you go to pass the legislation, you can't answer

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Speaker 18: the question where you're going to boot them up the bum,

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Speaker 18: whack them around the head and treat them badly.

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Speaker 20: Well, what I had to say to you, though, is

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Speaker 20: that I think it's a bit Well, what I said

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Speaker 20: yesterday is why it's so disingenuous is yea? If you

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Speaker 20: think about the examples and the abuse of state care,

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Speaker 20: there was like unbetted, unqualified stuff.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: the Rain drove of the Lahn News talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Heather Ronan Keating and his family moved to Australia several

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Speaker 3: months ago, so they haven't come all the way from Ireland.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Ronda. This is fascinating. So ACT is trying

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Speaker 3: to get permission for public servants to use ubers rather

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Speaker 3: than taxis when they're traveling around and apparently there's some

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Speaker 3: weird rule they can't do that. That's bizarre, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Because ubers are way cheaper than taxis. Now, correct me

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Speaker 3: if I'm wrong, And look, I think public servants catch

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Speaker 3: the corporate cabs. I think that's what they're doing. And

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Speaker 3: I think they by far and away more expensive than

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Speaker 3: anything else. Now, an uber ride from Auckland Central to

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Speaker 3: Auckland Airport is about sixty bucks at the most, right,

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Speaker 3: But what is it? What's a corporate cab ride? Is

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Speaker 3: it about one hundred and twenty or thereabouts? If you

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Speaker 3: know sent me a text I want to know nine

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Speaker 3: two nine two. We're going to talk to the act

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Speaker 3: party when they're with us. It's Todd Stevenson, who's going

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Speaker 3: to be with us in half an hours time. Now,

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Speaker 3: something weird is going on with IID, and I don't

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Speaker 3: actually know. I probably don't really have time to explain

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Speaker 3: it to you here, so I'm just gonna give you

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Speaker 3: a quick teaser and then we'll talk about it later on.

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Speaker 3: But you remember how how the ID got busted giving

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Speaker 3: what they were calling hashed data to like Meta and

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Speaker 3: Meta being Facebook, the parent company of Facebook and LinkedIn

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Speaker 3: and stuff like that, where they were basically saying, like

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Speaker 3: on it wasn't revealing Heather's name or anything. It was

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Speaker 3: like we were like Heather doblic Ellen h three at

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Speaker 3: three are attached. They got busted doing that. Well, they've

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Speaker 3: just been busted doing far worse than that. I've just

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Speaker 3: been given all my details. Why haven't they all of

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Speaker 3: your details? At least two hundred and seventy of us,

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Speaker 3: so just been like, here's here, this's name, here's her

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Speaker 3: contact email, here's her contact phone number, here's her address.

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Speaker 3: Because yay, that's what I want. I just love Mark

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Speaker 3: Zuckerberg having all that information. Anyway, we'll deal with that

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Speaker 3: later on. We'll have a chat about it. Next up

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Speaker 3: the Big Race, and then Thomas Coglan out of Karmela's

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Speaker 3: if he's still alive at Thomas at Karmala's headquarters.

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Speaker 5: News twiks B.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather due to ce Ellen Drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news Talk.

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Speaker 4: Said, be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon. Only one day to go in the

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Speaker 3: US election campaign, and both Karmala Harris and Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: are holding their final rallies right now. At Kamala Harris's

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Speaker 3: rally for US as The Herald's deputy political editor, Thomas

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Speaker 3: Coglan Thomas, Hello, hello mate, it's awfully quiet. Is she

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Speaker 3: not turned up yet?

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Speaker 21: It's a funny old event, this one. So the Democrats

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Speaker 21: are holding these massive rallies in various swing states. It's

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Speaker 21: a bit like Live Aid, that big thing they did

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Speaker 21: in the eighties for the raising money for Africa. So

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Speaker 21: Kamala Harris started off at the Philadelphia. I'm sorry that

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Speaker 21: the Pittsburgh one. She was there maybe two hours ago

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Speaker 21: and she is somewhere between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, which is

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Speaker 21: where I am, which is where her last address we made.

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Speaker 21: But yeah, you're right, she has not shown up yet.

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Speaker 21: The crowd is getting a bit restless. Lady Gaga is

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Speaker 21: meant to come on and entertain us, but she has

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Speaker 21: shown up yet either. So yeah, it's a wedding game,

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Speaker 21: perhaps a harbinger of things to come.

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Speaker 3: Lord, you mean the election result, I'd imagine apparently the

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Speaker 3: Democrats have been nauseously optimistic for a few days now,

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Speaker 3: Is that what you're hearing?

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Speaker 21: Yes, yes, I mean they're doing their best to put

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Speaker 21: on a brave face. Kamala Harris is saying We're going

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Speaker 21: to win this everywhere that she can say that. But look,

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Speaker 21: those those poles are tied. I mean, the poles are

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Speaker 21: not moving very much, but where they are moving, they

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Speaker 21: seem to be narrowing for Trump. So his chance is

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Speaker 21: certainly looking pretty good. But but but to be FSR,

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Speaker 21: who's it's really a coin toss? So I mean, to

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Speaker 21: be honestly that no one knows it's It could go anyway,

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Speaker 21: and and the Poles could be wrong, that they could

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Speaker 21: be all wrong and the wrong in the same direction.

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Speaker 8: They could be wrong in different directions in different states.

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Speaker 21: It really is anyone's game, okay.

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Speaker 3: And how the how the Republicans feeling. Are they confident

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Speaker 3: or panicking?

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Speaker 21: No, I think that confident as well. And now you

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Speaker 21: know that that they're gearing up to fight this and

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Speaker 21: courtly f and and obviously you know in Florida in

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Speaker 21: two thousands they successfully did manage to get and you know,

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Speaker 21: the White House after after the I think by five

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Speaker 21: hundred votes in Florida when the when they're hanging chips

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Speaker 21: were litigated. So so you know that the Republicans are

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Speaker 21: gearing up for that fight and to be psre the

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Speaker 21: Democrats as well. I think there's something like three thousand

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Speaker 21: different counties in the United States. Each one of them

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Speaker 21: counts the votes in their own way, and so you

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Speaker 21: can actually you can actually expect to see many of

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Speaker 21: those counties are having, you know, questions raised about the

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Speaker 21: way that that the voters is conductive. So so you know,

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Speaker 21: I think the Republicans are looking at that as well

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Speaker 21: as simply winning.

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Speaker 3: Now, now, Thomas, you mentioned before that this could be

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Speaker 3: a sign of things to come, the waiting game, right,

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Speaker 3: and I see Pennsylvania's Secretary General has already warned that

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Speaker 3: the state will not have a result tomorrow night. However,

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Speaker 3: this isn't on the assumption that everything is tight. If

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Speaker 3: it actually all of a sudden goes one way or

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Speaker 3: the other, will we have a result tomorrow, Like if

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Speaker 3: it's a clear win for Trump or a clear win

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Speaker 3: for Karmela, will we know tomorrow?

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Speaker 21: Yes, that is that that is a potential outcome, and

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Speaker 21: there is actually like there's a there's there's not a

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Speaker 21: bad probability of that happening. Often when polls are wrong,

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Speaker 21: they are often wrong in the same direction. There are

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Speaker 21: seven swing states, and if all the poles are in

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Speaker 21: the swing states, which are currently basically tied, you know,

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Speaker 21: if they're all wrong and Trump is clearly winning and

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Speaker 21: most of them, or if they're wrong in Hourise is

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Speaker 21: sleepy winning and most of them, then we might actually

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Speaker 21: not need Pennsylvania. And so in that case you probably

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Speaker 21: would have a result, a pretty clear result tomorrow. But

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Speaker 21: you know, at the moment, it looks like all the

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Speaker 21: races and all the swing states will be so close

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Speaker 21: that that tomorrow night will be fairly inconclusive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, Thomas is't best of luck waiting for her,

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Speaker 3: that's Thomas Collin and thank you, of course, the Herald's

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Speaker 3: deputy political editor in Pennsylvania. For us, this is Trump

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Speaker 3: speaking at his rally at the moment.

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Speaker 15: This will be the golden age of America. Just a

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Speaker 15: few months ago in a beautiful field in Pennsylvania, not

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Speaker 15: far from where we are tonight, and Assassin tried to

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Speaker 15: stop our movement.

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Speaker 5: But that brush with death did not stop us.

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Speaker 15: It only made us more determined to finish the job.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't want to let that one go, does he? Hey,

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Speaker 3: by the way, Knight's Choice Melbourne cap do you know

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Speaker 3: how much that one was paying oe hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: one dollars to win? And talk to Labour next about

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Speaker 3: Chris Luxen's fluff this morning quarter pass. Hey picture this, Okay,

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Speaker 3: there's a ute driving down the motorway. It's got a

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Speaker 3: clothes dryer strapped down in the tray. The dryer is

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Speaker 3: plugged into a socket in the side of the ute

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Speaker 3: and it is on. The dryer is on and it's

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Speaker 3: drying a load of washing just while it's cruising on

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Speaker 3: the Newmarket flyover. You're not dreaming. This is what the

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Speaker 3: GM of bid did last week, showing off the bid

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Speaker 3: Shark six and its vehicle to load capabilities. The Shark six, how.

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Speaker 5: Cool is that?

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Speaker 3: Is New Zealand's first super hybrid ute. It's fast, four

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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty horse power to be exact, it's luxurious,

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Speaker 3: it's green, and it's loaded with tech. The Shark six

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Speaker 3: is the ute that's got the other ute makers shaking

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Speaker 3: in their boots.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: There are just one hundred and fifty vehicles left at

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Speaker 3: the special launch price of sixty nine nine hundred and

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Speaker 3: ninety dollars plus on road costs. If you order it today,

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Speaker 3: you can expect delivery in February twenty twenty five. That's

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Speaker 3: February next year. There are three colors available. You've got

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Speaker 3: Great White, Tidal black or deep Sea blue, and of

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Speaker 3: course got a full range of accessories like the canopies

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Speaker 3: and the hardlands and all the other stuff as well.

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Speaker 3: You get out online at byd dot bid auto. Let's

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Speaker 3: get this right byd auto, dot co dot MZ together

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Speaker 3: do for c Ellen. Hither my father in law just

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Speaker 3: put forty dollars on Night's Choice. Well, Ben, he's shouting

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Speaker 3: the drinks for the rest of the year, isn't he

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Speaker 3: is he's loaded now, isn't he? Nineteen past five? Now

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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister is coppying it for not being across

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Speaker 3: as brief. So this morning he was on with My Costing.

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Speaker 3: Mike asked him about the decision to give the boot

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Speaker 3: camp staff the right to use force outside of the

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Speaker 3: boot camps.

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Speaker 20: This was his answer, It's not something I've been briefed on.

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Speaker 20: It's not something that I'm aware of. It's not something

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Speaker 20: that I would should be involved in. Those closest to

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Speaker 20: it should make those calls.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, except it was something he was involved in a

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Speaker 3: because it was a decision that was taken by Cabinet,

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Speaker 3: which he's the chair of. Now Willow Jene Prime is

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Speaker 3: Labour spokesperson for Children with US. Now, hello, Willow Jane

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Speaker 3: killed at what do you make give him? Apparently not

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Speaker 3: remembering the decision that he's actually helped to make.

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Speaker 22: It's deeply concerning that the Prime Minister is not across

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Speaker 22: the details of one of the key National Party election policies,

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Speaker 22: which is boot camps and the serious Young Offender category.

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Speaker 22: And it's deeply concerning because this is about children and

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Speaker 22: the fact that he is not across the details on

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Speaker 22: policy decisions that they are making is a real concern.

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Speaker 3: Now as to the actual substance here, do you have

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Speaker 3: a problem with them extending the permission to use force,

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Speaker 3: which already exists inside the camps to outside the camps.

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Speaker 22: Yes, that is a concern that many have. Because those many, I.

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Speaker 3: Want to know what you think. Do you have that concern?

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Speaker 22: So, I, along with the Children's Commissioner and other MPs

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Speaker 22: that have spoken today for Tipkins, we all have concerns

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Speaker 22: about the extension of these powers to third party providers

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Speaker 22: in boot camps. The government has this problem because they

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Speaker 22: have created boot camp that legislation doesn't currently provide for this.

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Speaker 22: In order for them to be able to deliver their

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Speaker 22: program that they want to, they are having to look

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Speaker 22: at the extension outside of our centers of detention and

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Speaker 22: gaving powers to people who are not don't currently have

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Speaker 22: those powers to be able to use force on children.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but so what's the problem. I mean, these are

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Speaker 3: Willo Gene. These are not cool kids. They're not good kids, right,

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Speaker 3: They're not kids with good manners and good behavior. They

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Speaker 3: are problematic kids. And if they want to go and

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Speaker 3: have a nor hall at the Marai, then the Marai

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Speaker 3: staff have to be able to restrain them if they

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Speaker 3: try to smack other kids around.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 22: The issue here, Heather, is that there are currently no

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Speaker 22: safeguards in place, There are no protection mechanisms, there are

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Speaker 22: no details around the faith guarding of this. The boot

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Speaker 22: camps are already an experiment.

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Speaker 3: We have no no, no gene I. Stop stop making

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Speaker 3: us bigger than it is. Stop making us bigger than

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Speaker 3: it is. Talk to me about this. Do you seriously

874
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Speaker 3: think that one of these kids who is like liable

875
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Speaker 3: for ten years in jail should be able to go

876
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Speaker 3: and stay the night at the marai and those staff

877
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: they have no ability to use force and restrain them.

878
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Speaker 3: They start bashing the stuff.

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Speaker 22: The issue that we have here, Heather, is that the

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Speaker 22: government has absolutely no details in their cabinet paper about

881
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Speaker 22: the safeguards that need to be put in place. Who

882
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Speaker 22: ensure the very real risk of abuse happening, the abuse

883
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Speaker 22: of this power happening, that they.

884
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Speaker 3: Have not see this power. You tell me how you

885
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 3: see this power being abused? How is this power going

886
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Speaker 3: to be abused?

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Speaker 22: So as we have evidence from the Royal Commission, this

888
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Speaker 22: is not.

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Speaker 3: The nineteen seventies Willow Jeane we're talking about now, we're

890
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: talking about really naughty kids, talking about very very bad

891
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: kids going to stay somewhere as a privilege, and how

892
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Speaker 3: is this going to be abused against them? The ability

893
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Speaker 3: to restrain them, how is it going to be abused?

894
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Speaker 22: So the Royal Commission will tell you that these were

895
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Speaker 22: very naughty kids who needed to be obtained in the

896
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Speaker 22: past and who were abused in those facilities. What they

897
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Speaker 22: have recommended and found in that report and recommended is

898
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Speaker 22: that there needs be appropriate safeguards put in place to

899
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Speaker 22: ensure that abuse cannot happen in these settings. And what

900
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Speaker 22: we are saying is from the cabinet paper that has

901
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Speaker 22: been leaked, there are absolutely no details around the safeguarding provisions.

902
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Speaker 22: The Children's Commissioner has concerned that there are no details,

903
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Speaker 22: that she has not been consulted, that children's rights are

904
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Speaker 22: not being considered in the development of this policy, and

905
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Speaker 22: I share those concerns.

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Speaker 3: All right, hey, thank you for articulating that. Appreciated as

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Speaker 3: Willow Gen, Prime Labor Spokesperson for Children five twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Allen, Drive with One New Zealand. Let's

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00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: get connected and news talk.

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Speaker 3: As they'd be whether are they children or other young criminals,

912
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Speaker 3: because there is a big difference. They are young criminals.

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Speaker 3: They are the worst of the young criminals that we've got.

914
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Speaker 3: So yeah, looking forward to someone getting a bash from them.

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Speaker 3: Obviously not listen. We started the show with a reality check.

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Speaker 3: Here's another reality check for you. Okay, if you didn't

917
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Speaker 3: catch three News last night, it's actually worth going back

918
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Speaker 3: and finding the story that they ran about the landlord

919
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Speaker 3: because it is shocking. And I have to be honest,

920
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Speaker 3: I'm not easily shocked by property damage because I've seen

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Speaker 3: a fair bit of it in my time. I grew

922
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Speaker 3: up in a pretty rough part of Auckland, so it

923
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Speaker 3: takes a lot to shock me with a a bit

924
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Speaker 3: of a mess of a property. But this one shocked me.

925
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Speaker 3: This landlord allowed three News to go into his property

926
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Speaker 3: to see the state of the place after he managed

927
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Speaker 3: to get his tenants finally evicted. There were dirty nappies

928
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Speaker 3: lying on the ground, there were big lumps of dog

929
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Speaker 3: poo just on the carpet inside the house, the washing

930
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Speaker 3: in the laundry. It was just like a small laundry

931
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Speaker 3: sort of like a like a you know when you've

932
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Speaker 3: got a single toilet, like that kind of small room vibe.

933
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Speaker 3: That laundry was piled with clothing up to and I

934
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Speaker 3: am not lying to you shoulder height. There's rubbish everywhere

935
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Speaker 3: inside the place has been trashed, rubbish all over the backyard.

936
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Speaker 3: The backyard's completely overgrown, defrosted chicken going off in the fridge.

937
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Speaker 3: It's a complete mess. And they've actually, by the looks

938
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Speaker 3: of things, tried to make a mess of the place

939
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Speaker 3: on the way out. This is the third place that

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Speaker 3: the landlord has had trashed by tenants. The last one

941
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Speaker 3: cost him eighty thousand dollars to fix, and the tendency

942
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Speaker 3: Tribune will order the tenants to pay some of that,

943
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Speaker 3: but only a fraction, only eighteen thousand out of eighty thousand.

944
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Speaker 3: And he's not seeing the money. And let's be honest

945
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Speaker 3: about it. We live in the real world. Hey, I

946
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Speaker 3: ain't gonna see a cent is he?

947
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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 3: The reason I reckon you should go back and have

949
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Speaker 3: a look at this is because this is not the

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Speaker 3: version of the tenant landlord story that we get very often,

951
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Speaker 3: is it. I mean, usually what we get is a

952
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Speaker 3: SOB story about how badly tenants are treated by landlords.

953
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Speaker 3: And look, there will absolutely be some landlords out there

954
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Speaker 3: who are bad landlords. But equally, there are some very

955
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Speaker 3: bad tenants out there, and we don't get to see

956
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: that very often, do we very rarely Also do we

957
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 3: get to see how badly it can go for the landlord.

958
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: But here's an example, And I would argue that when

959
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Speaker 3: it goes badly for landlords, it's actually worse for them

960
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: than it is for tenants when it goes badly, Because

961
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 3: if it's bad for a tenant, look, it's not great,

962
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 3: they got a move, it's costly, that's not a great vibe.

963
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 3: But if it's bad for a landlord, they lose more

964
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Speaker 3: money in one go, then you would get that a

965
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Speaker 3: lot of people get in yearly wages, as this story

966
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Speaker 3: illustrates it. Go and have a look. Heaver Duplicy Allen

967
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 3: Heather Corporate Cabs Airport in Aucklandton Freeman's Bay at the

968
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 3: weekend one hundred and fifty dollars. One hundred and fifty dollars. Now,

969
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: I would be traveling from a roughly same part of

970
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: town to the airport. I'd pay fifty bucks in an Uber,

971
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: so got to get the public servants onto the Uber,

972
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: Heather MB staff are allowed to use Uber, but they're

973
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: not allowed to use the corporate cabs, so it's the

974
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 3: other way around. So anyway, Todd Stevenson from Actor is

975
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Speaker 3: going to be with us shortly on that news talks'db.

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Speaker 1: Hard questions, strong opinion, Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one

977
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

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00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 3: Right, how do you standing by? I'm going to talk

979
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: about recruitment and young people struggling to find summer jobs.

980
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: After six, I'll hit you across that. Carmel has turned up,

981
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 3: so thank goodness for Thomas Coglan. Lady Gargar turned up.

982
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: She did a few little songs saying sit behind the piano,

983
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: did Lady Gargar thing that would have kept Thomas entertained

984
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Speaker 3: for a little bit. Now Carmela's speaking, and as soon

985
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: as Carmla say something interesting will bring you some of

986
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: that hither. Those kids can harm anyone without restraint is

987
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: absolutely crazy. Is Willow Jen crazy?

988
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 5: Yes?

989
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 3: This is the thing, right, is like I get that

990
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: you don't want to be hurting the kids and you

991
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: want to have some barriers there. But bigger problem. The

992
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: kids are a bigger problem, aren't they the way that

993
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: they behave hither I watch my parents dealing with residential

994
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 3: tenants for decades. They were good landlords. They didn't increase

995
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 3: the rent for years for good tenants. The filth that

996
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: I saw them clean over the years, and yes they

997
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 3: cleaned it themselves, and the rent not paid. Also there

998
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: were good tenants amongst them, but they were the minority.

999
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 3: I will never be a residential landlord, not just empty.

1000
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: I've assessed it and decided not to three times over

1001
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: the last three years. A lot of people make that

1002
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 3: decision to bloody harday twenty three away from six ever

1003
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: due for cellen Now there is a push to get

1004
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: public servants using the ubers rather than the taxis to

1005
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: try to save some money. It's come from the ACT Party,

1006
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 3: MP Todd Stevenson, who's written to the new State Services Commissioner.

1007
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: Brian wrote to try to get him to change the rules.

1008
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: In Todd's with us, a Todd, hello, how are you well?

1009
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 3: Thank you? Are these actually the rules? Because I've got

1010
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 3: a text before saying MB staff are told they have

1011
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: to use ubers and not corporate cabs.

1012
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 19: Well, that's actually very encouraging. I think there's basically a

1013
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 19: lot of inconsistency. And when I wrote to the Public

1014
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 19: Service Commissioner, I said, look, it seems to be there.

1015
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 19: It seems to be some blanket rules they can't be

1016
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 19: used to send me some inconsistencies. Can you just kind

1017
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 19: of do across the public service ruling that it is

1018
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 19: an option, So again not making people do it, but

1019
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 19: saying yes, you are allowed to use a right Chavis

1020
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 19: like Uber.

1021
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 3: So in some instances they're actually not allowed.

1022
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 19: Yes, yes, definitely some departments they are not allowed. Why

1023
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 19: then they wouldn't Well it's a great question here. Maybe

1024
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 19: it's historic, but yeah, if they try to caim back

1025
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 19: using a venuba, for example, then they wouldn't get reindressed.

1026
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 4: Why do they're not explain?

1027
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 19: Well, yeah, I don't know. It's a great question. Look,

1028
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 19: it may be historic. I mean about you know, a

1029
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 19: decade ago when Uber was getting going, they did actually

1030
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 19: operate in a bit of a gray area. But if

1031
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 19: you know now hither you know it's very well regulated because.

1032
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: Because when you get your little luber thing that says

1033
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 3: you caught the ride from here to hear it like

1034
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 3: it's quite comprehensive, you know what I mean. Like it's

1035
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: it's actively more comprehensive than anything you'd get from a taxi,

1036
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: isn't it.

1037
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 19: That's sort of and that's why I like it. I mean,

1038
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 19: you know, I think before the news you were talking

1039
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 19: about the cost of going somewhere where you can sent

1040
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 19: advance it with Aneuber how much it's going to cost. Right,

1041
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 19: you get the exact trip detail, where you went to

1042
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 19: where you went common that's fire arms it all the time.

1043
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 19: And then I can just you know, pull down the

1044
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 19: the receipts out of my out of my app, which

1045
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 19: is great because you don't lose any paperwork.

1046
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: What about you've got this school, You've got this cool option.

1047
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 3: We've got this at work where I I can have

1048
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 3: my personal Uber account, but then there's the work credit

1049
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 3: card loaded, so I can actually use the work credit

1050
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: card account if I need to. And it gets like

1051
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: it's on it's incumbent on me to obviously be sensible

1052
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 3: and not do the wrong way around, but that surely

1053
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 3: would like is up on a thousand times on the

1054
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 3: admin that a department would have to.

1055
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 19: Do absolutely and in fact, I use that exact feature

1056
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 19: as well. I actually used it before I came to

1057
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 19: parlant my corporate life. The other great thing too, hither

1058
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 19: is if you actually do make a mistake, is actual

1059
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 19: an option you can go back and actually have the

1060
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 19: transaction reversed right but actually credits the right card, as

1061
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 19: long as you do it within within a few hours

1062
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Speaker 19: of the trip. So look, I think there's a lot

1063
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 19: of advantages to it. Always saying is let's just make

1064
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 19: it an option. What you know absolutely available across the

1065
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 19: public service. A lot of public so we're very happy

1066
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Speaker 19: to do it. You know, they probably find uber convenient.

1067
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Speaker 3: Like you know, Todd, did you when you're off a

1068
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: sweep steak?

1069
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Speaker 19: I did you heard that?

1070
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: Now I heard that? How much money did you put in?

1071
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 19: Look, we all put in. There are five dollars tickets.

1072
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 19: I had a couple of tickets. We had had two

1073
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Speaker 19: sweet steaks, so I won about one hundred dollars.

1074
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 3: So you guys are obsessed with money at the act party,

1075
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: like you, you're really keen on not spending too much.

1076
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 3: We've had a debate in our office. We had to

1077
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: put ten bucks in. Is that too much? Do you

1078
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: think for an office sweep steak.

1079
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 19: No, I think I think kick it around final ten

1080
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 19: dollars is all right?

1081
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, okay, thank you. X Party says is okay, Todd,

1082
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: Thank you, Todd Stevenson ex Party MP nineteen away from

1083
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Speaker 3: six the huddle.

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Speaker 1: like no other.

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Speaker 3: I want to hear a bit of Lady Gaga here go.

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Speaker 23: Yes Mary.

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Speaker 3: My I don't know is that going to make you

1089
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 3: want to go out and vote or are you just

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00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 3: going to be like I'm no, it's a bit, it's

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00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: a bit down. Buzz fellow Riley Iron Duke, partners of

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Speaker 3: Mark Sainsbury Broadcaster with us on the huddle. Hello you too,

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00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 3: hey done er, yeh good, thank you?

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Speaker 4: What do you reckon?

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00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: Is ten dollars too much Phil for an office sweepstake?

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Speaker 3: Because the reason I'm asking this, it's not like a

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00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 3: ten dollar bet. This is a ten dollars lucky dip,

1098
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 3: isn't it.

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Speaker 24: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I'm actually astral and Hi Commission Heather and they've got

1101
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 8: five and ten dollars tickets in the sweep. I've just

1102
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 8: walked away from the excitement of the Melbourne Cup to

1103
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 8: talk to you more exciting, I know than the Melbourne

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00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 8: Cup faction. But yeah, that's right. So five I reckontend's okay.

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00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 8: I think nothing works, it's okay. And if you don't

1106
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 8: want to do it in five fine, because it's it's

1107
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 8: not about the money, it's about the fun and you know,

1108
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 8: having a bit of a steak in the horses. The

1109
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Speaker 8: nag goes down the racecourse. My two are still running,

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00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 8: actually they're still coming, haven't actually finished yet. It's just

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00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 8: a bit of a contribution, isn't it a bit of fun?

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Speaker 8: And as long as everyone's comfortable, we should move.

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00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: On totally says, are you also out partying or did

1114
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: no one invite you out?

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Speaker 6: No?

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00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 24: No, And here's the thing. Melbourne Cup needs to be

1117
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 24: such a big event. I think if you're involved via

1118
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 24: at something like the High Commission with fillers or you're

1119
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 24: doing off for sweet steak. But if you're at home

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Speaker 24: being an American elleching tragic watching all the final addresses,

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00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 24: just like past.

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Speaker 7: And here's the annoying thing.

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Speaker 24: Had I gone to a party, had they ben gone

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00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 24: down to the tab I probably almost certainly would have

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Speaker 24: put a bet on the winner because it was trained

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00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 24: by Sheila Lackson.

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00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: And so does this rip your nicety that it was

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00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty one dollars?

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00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 24: I know, but that's because it's more around that, you know,

1130
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 24: I didn't you don't feel compelled to go and have

1131
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 24: a bet. It's around the social occasion of the molar

1132
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 24: and if you're not involved in that, you don't pack

1133
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 24: a good look at the field and you don't see

1134
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 24: your horse, you would have punted on.

1135
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 3: Oh I'm so, I'm gutted for you. Now listen, okay,

1136
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 3: fell onto something serious. Do you have a problem with

1137
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 3: the use of force being extended beyond the boot campgate?

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00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 8: Well, this is a really complicated issue, isn't it, Because

1139
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 8: a lot of the kids that will beyond that have

1140
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 8: already experienced plants and so you need to be very

1141
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 8: cautious about how you play that out. But you know,

1142
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 8: it's the classic of where you want to think it

1143
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 8: through carefully and come up with a solution. And it's

1144
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 8: just terrible for me to opine on one thing or

1145
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 8: the other.

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00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: But still, this is a situation you have. These are

1147
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 3: the like, literally the naughtiest kids in the country. So

1148
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 3: Let's say one of them, they go nor Hormat either

1149
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 3: staying the night, somebody gets slippy to them, they start

1150
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 3: giving the kid the bash. I mean, what we're talking

1151
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 3: about here is is not spanking this child. It's literally

1152
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 3: the ability to grab them and tackle them to the

1153
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 3: ground and stop them giving somebody else the bash.

1154
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 8: Of course, that's right, and if that's the case, that's

1155
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 8: the case that it might be supported. My point is

1156
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 8: that these kids are already damaged by violence anyway. Yeah,

1157
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 8: so the last thing you want to do is just

1158
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 8: carry that whole thing on, because that's the opposite of

1159
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 8: what the whole boot camp experience is likely to be.

1160
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 8: But at the same time, here, of course you want

1161
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 8: to make sure that you don't just give them a flower,

1162
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 8: because that's not going to work. Yeah, so you've got

1163
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 8: to have this middle way, which is what the cabinet

1164
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 8: paper was all about. I suspect, and what, of course

1165
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 8: our Prime Minister did not a great job of trying

1166
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 8: to explain to Osking this morning.

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Speaker 3: No, and we're going to come back to that, says

1168
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 3: I want your take. We'll get it after the break.

1169
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 3: Sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The HULD with New Zealand Arby's International Realty elevate the

1171
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: marketing of your home.

1172
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 3: Right, we're back with with Huddle Mark Sainsbury filler. Riley says, so,

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Speaker 3: what do you think is it okay to allow these

1174
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 3: people to restrain these kids of fair places?

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00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 24: Like might I well, the devil is always going to

1176
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 24: be in the detail. I mean, their argument is we

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Speaker 24: have the rights to restrain them when they're in the

1178
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 24: boot camp or any other sort of youth customy situation.

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00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 24: It's when they're going to outside areas. So that's sort

1180
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 24: to extend that out well, you know, like as philm says,

1181
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 24: it's a these are damaged kids, so you need to

1182
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 24: see what is the you know, what are the guidelines

1183
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 24: the regulations of safeguards around putting these you know, and

1184
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 24: they may be little absolute whatevers, but they're still vulnerable

1185
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 24: kids outside the system then under the care of other people.

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00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 24: And I think, and I just I thought it was

1187
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 24: astonishing this morning. Quite frankly, what was astonishing I thought

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00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 24: Mike's interview.

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Speaker 3: Oh you think Luxeon's performance was astonishing?

1190
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 24: Yeah, why, well, just because he just didn't seem yeah,

1191
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 24: it's just loose not on top of it, wasn't aware

1192
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 24: of something that was signed off at at a meeting.

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00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: He was cheering, Yeah, yeah, totally Yeah, Phil, I think

1194
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 3: this was really bad for him.

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00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 5: What do you think.

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00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, it demonstrated that he's not yet a politician. Actually,

1197
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 8: when you think about I mean you and you and

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00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 8: Mark will both know that great politicians could have just

1199
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 8: flanneled their way through that with Oskin this morning, they

1200
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 8: just come up with some lines and you know, blah blah,

1201
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 8: and Hosking would have moved on to the next question.

1202
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 8: To his credit, Luxon tried to answer it. That's a

1203
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 8: good thing. So he did try to answer it. But

1204
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 8: of course the downside is he's not a politician. Every

1205
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 8: politician knows you need to be on top of all

1206
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 8: of that detail and you need minders who are briefing

1207
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 8: you about that before you go in the room. Now,

1208
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 8: clearly that didn't occur, and so he's just demonstrating. I

1209
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 8: think he's an experience as a politician, and if he

1210
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 8: doesn't get on top of that, it'll cause them some damage.

1211
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 3: But also even I think the problem starts even earlier

1212
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 3: than trying to flannel his way through that interview. Phil,

1213
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 3: I think the problem starts with when you are sitting

1214
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: in the cabinet. You're sitting in cabinet and you are

1215
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 3: making a decision about boot camps. You know, you're delivering

1216
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: an apology on the state of you know, the abuse

1217
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: and state care stuff. You know this is going to

1218
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: be really high up there and political risks for your government.

1219
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 3: The boot camps are especially. You should pay attention to

1220
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 3: every single decision that is being made around boot camps.

1221
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 3: Lock it in your head and do not forget it

1222
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 3: because it's high risk stuff.

1223
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 8: Yes, completely agree. And what's more, you should, with your

1224
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 8: political advisors in your press secretary, come up with a

1225
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 8: line that ordinary people completely understand about why you're doing it.

1226
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 8: That was that's the genius of great politicians like Allen

1227
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 8: Clark and John Keith. And he doesn't have it yet.

1228
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 3: And this is the thing, says, because you were around

1229
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: during the Helen Clark years, he would not have she

1230
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 3: would not have forgotten this.

1231
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 24: It's funny you say, you say that was when I

1232
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 24: when I saw when I heard that, and I had

1233
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 24: seen all the rest of the stories on it, the

1234
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 24: first thing I thought was, jeep, is it wouldn't have

1235
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 24: happened done to Helen Clark.

1236
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 13: I mean she was.

1237
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 24: I mean she was always on top of absolutely anything.

1238
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 24: Or as philm says, if you're not, you know how

1239
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 24: to get your way out of it. Mean it was, yeah,

1240
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 24: it was, it was.

1241
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 7: It was a classic.

1242
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 5: It really was.

1243
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 3: Now, okay, so saying, so you weren't doing the Melbourne Cup,

1244
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 3: you were watching the rallies. Give me your last call

1245
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 3: before tomorrow. Who wins it?

1246
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 24: I see its head or heart stuff. But I'll tell

1247
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 24: you what's boyed me a bit. There was an Iowa

1248
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 24: poll woman Ann Selza did that. Now, I was never

1249
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 24: in the mix, all right, but it's shining a shift

1250
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 24: and voting and this still comes back to them.

1251
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 7: I think it's going to be the big slip.

1252
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 24: Well it's been out there, but an underestimated issue, the

1253
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 24: woman's rights to her own body issue is I think

1254
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 24: is starting to become.

1255
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 3: You are wishful thinking, aren't you? You a wishful thinking?

1256
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 7: Right?

1257
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 5: Well, there's a there's a bit of that and this.

1258
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 24: But but I watched a Trump looks he looks if

1259
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 24: you predictarly a purely on their demeanor, on how they.

1260
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 4: Look today, you'd think Harris was was ten points ahead.

1261
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 24: Interesting, rambling, tired, didn't want to be there. The crowd

1262
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 24: was muted.

1263
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah he is getting he's on the old side, Phil,

1264
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 3: What do you reckon?

1265
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 5: What's your final call?

1266
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 8: It's just a guess. And if I was going to

1267
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 8: guess anything, I guess Trump because I take the view

1268
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 8: that campaigns win elections when they're that close, and I

1269
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 8: think Trump's had the bigger campaign.

1270
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 6: I haven't seen them today, Phil, Are you still there?

1271
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 3: Just just to have a look at your phone. You

1272
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 3: may have muted yourself with your cheek. Yeah you've muted yourself.

1273
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 6: Done that?

1274
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, we go, I got I've got a fat cheek.

1275
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 8: So it's just a guess, isn't it. But if I

1276
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 8: was to choose anybody right now, I just guess Trump

1277
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 8: because the argument might be that campaigns when elections, and

1278
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 8: on that basis, he's had the better campaign, I think.

1279
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 8: But I think Sains is right in the sense that

1280
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 8: also turn out whin's elections is the point of me

1281
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 8: among a lot of people. The polls are intentions to vote.

1282
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 8: Who's actually going to vote? And I think I think

1283
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 8: actually Kamala Harris will get her vote out and Trump

1284
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 8: may not. So it's a knife edge and we won't

1285
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 8: know what, I suspect for some time because there's going

1286
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 8: to be a lot of disputation. But I got to

1287
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 8: pick Trump. But I kind of hope for the sake

1288
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 8: of global geopolitics and the stability of things. I kind

1289
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 8: of hope Harris. But I don't hope Harris in the

1290
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 8: sense that she's going to be any good for New Zealand.

1291
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 8: None of them are. Neither of them are neither. It's

1292
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 8: going to be great for trade and the kinds of

1293
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 8: things we need. So it's a you know, it's a

1294
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 8: bit of a moot point. Who went from my perspective

1295
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 8: as a New Zealander.

1296
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, say so, can I just give you credit for

1297
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 3: your your your real quick? I've done that before, just

1298
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 3: to help help a mate out that was decent.

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Speaker 24: I've got the bony ere and I'll be talking the

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Speaker 24: way to someone and then they're going hello, Hello, and

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Speaker 24: I look at my phone. A bony bit of my

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Speaker 24: ear has hit the mute designed by Apple just to

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Speaker 24: catch I.

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Speaker 5: Love it as whiskers.

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Speaker 8: Actually that doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the bony hard part of the whisker. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 3: thanks very much appreciated. Fellow Riley Mark Sainsbury Huddle enjoy

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Speaker 3: it tomorrow. And by the way, yes fair on the show,

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Speaker 3: we had the US polster Henry Olsen. He thinks he

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Speaker 3: remember how he said he made a call and it

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Speaker 3: was going to be publishing the New York Post today.

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Speaker 3: I've got it for you, he thinks, not even close.

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Speaker 3: Trumped on the night big time. I'll read it to

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Speaker 3: you before the end of the program. Steven away from six.

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Speaker 4: Red or blue? Trump or Harrison? Who will win the

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Speaker 4: battleground states?

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Speaker 1: The latest on the US election is hither duplicy Alan

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected, use talks.

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Speaker 4: It'd be.

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Speaker 3: Five away from six. So here's Calmela talking at the rally.

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Speaker 3: So with only a few hours left, we still have

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Speaker 3: work to do. And as you've heard me say before,

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Speaker 3: we like hard work. Hard work is good work, hard

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Speaker 3: work is joyful work. And make no mistake, we will win.

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Speaker 3: And she literally has walked off the stage. She was

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Speaker 3: there for twenty minutes and gone. This is the last bit.

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Speaker 3: Do we believe in freedom? Do we believe in opportunity?

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Speaker 3: Do we believe in the promise of America?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: Running to fight floid.

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Speaker 9: When we find.

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Speaker 1: Sweet God bless you ain't God bless the United States

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Speaker 1: something so.

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Speaker 3: Poor Aunt Thomas was standing there for eight hours for

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Speaker 3: her to come on the chisel, like eight and a

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Speaker 3: half hours, just on for twenty minutes and then that's

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Speaker 3: the end of it. Anyway. Whatever. Listen, So something weird's

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Speaker 3: going on Inland revenue.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: You remember how they were busted for giving our details

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Speaker 3: to Facebook and LinkedIn and hashed form, which means it

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01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 3: was just like semi anonymous stuff, but not really. It

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01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 3: now turns out that they've actually given a whole bunch

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Speaker 3: of data to those guys completely raw. So they've just

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Speaker 3: given Facebook and LinkedIn names, addresses, and other contact details

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Speaker 3: of nearly two hundred and seventy thousand taxpayers. Now, the

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Speaker 3: reason that we know this is because when people were

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Speaker 3: complaining about the hash data, which is like semiid and

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Speaker 3: they went back and then oh discovered it. Oh discovered

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Speaker 3: they've just been given giving lots and lots of data

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Speaker 3: for free the wed to Facebook and LinkedIn. Here's the

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Speaker 3: weird thing about it, right, they say this is id

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Speaker 3: that they're doing it because they need the social media

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Speaker 3: companies to help them reach their target audience. What are

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Speaker 3: they talking about, like literally, they have your name, they

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Speaker 3: have your address, they have your email address. They can

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Speaker 3: text you, they can call you, they can do anything.

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Speaker 3: They can do whatever. They can look in your bank account.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe they can't, but they literally can

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Speaker 3: get a hold on you. Why do they need to

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Speaker 3: go to a third party pay Facebook to get a

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Speaker 3: hold of you? If they see if I get a

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Speaker 3: letter from the ID, I'm gonna pay that a hell

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Speaker 3: of a lot more attention than I'm a Facebook ad.

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Speaker 3: How are we something weird going on? R something really weird?

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Speaker 4: NEWSTALKSB keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: With the business hour, we'd hand the duplicy Ellen and

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Speaker 1: my hr on Newstalks.

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Speaker 4: At b.

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Speaker 5: IF.

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Speaker 3: Coming up at the next hour, brad Olsen's going to

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Speaker 3: talk us through what the Reserve Bank is picking in

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Speaker 3: terms of the unemployment rate. Our wine exporters actually stand

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Speaker 3: to get pinged pretty hard if Trump wins because of

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Speaker 3: the tariffs. And we'll have a chat to Jamie McKay

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Speaker 3: about that. An Ende Brady is with us obviously out

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Speaker 3: of the UK. Now it's coming up eight past six.

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Speaker 3: Now students are struggling to find summer work with enormous

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Speaker 3: amounts of competition in the job market and businesses not

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Speaker 3: taking on as many applicants. At the moment, Retail New

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Speaker 3: Zealand says retailers had seen a much higher caliber of

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Speaker 3: people applying for jobs. Kate Ross is the founder of

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Speaker 3: Swivel Careers, which helps seventeen to twenty five year olds

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Speaker 3: find work, and she's with us now.

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Speaker 19: Hey, Kate, hi, how's it going?

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Speaker 5: Very good?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? What's going on here? Why kids finding it

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Speaker 3: hard to find jobs?

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Speaker 25: Well, the economy right now is just so tough. So

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Speaker 25: even people with qualifications, you know, are finding it hard

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Speaker 25: to find work. So, you know, further down the food chain,

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Speaker 25: when you've got students who've got you know, far less experience,

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Speaker 25: these less opportunities.

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Speaker 3: And so as a result, you've got people people further

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Speaker 3: up the age brackets, presumably further up the experience chain,

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Speaker 3: they're unable to find work. That coming down pushing the

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Speaker 3: kids out.

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Speaker 25: That's exactly right. And there's just not enough work out

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Speaker 25: there right now. With the economy that's been so slow

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Speaker 25: all year. The opportunities even for you know, the retailers

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Speaker 25: of hospitality, that's all slowed down, and that's generally where

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Speaker 25: you know, the students out of school get their their

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Speaker 25: weekend and their holiday work. So with university students now

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Speaker 25: leaving and less opportunities to go into corporate work, they're

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Speaker 25: unfortunately having to fall back onto that retail work, which

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Speaker 25: also isn't there. So there's a really big group of

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Speaker 25: individuals that are struggling to find employment.

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Speaker 3: Worst you've ever seen, I think it's right up there.

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Speaker 25: Like I managed a company through the recession, it was

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Speaker 25: different because obviously in the recession there was no jobs

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Speaker 25: for anyone, and there was organizations just closing left, right

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Speaker 25: and center. But for kids right now, for students right now,

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Speaker 25: to find work, it's really really tough. There's hundreds and

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Speaker 25: hundreds of applicants applying through second tradeing just for that

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Speaker 25: one role.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now, I mean we're talking about in some of the

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Speaker 3: cases right be talking about school aged kids. It's not

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Speaker 3: going to break their lives as that if they don't

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Speaker 3: find a summer job. But I imagine for some of them,

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Speaker 3: are you're getting up there in the twenty five year

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Speaker 3: twenty five year old that is actually quite significant, isn't it.

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Speaker 25: It's really significant. And what we're also seeing is there

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Speaker 25: are a lot of people that are leaving university and

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Speaker 25: groups and just thinking, do you know what, I'm just

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Speaker 25: going to head to Australia hoping there's work over in Sidney,

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Speaker 25: in Melbourne because there's nothing here. And that's how they're

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Speaker 25: thinking at that young age. Normally we get at least

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Speaker 25: a couple of good years in the New Zealand market

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Speaker 25: before they decide to do their oe, but they're now thinking, right,

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Speaker 25: there's packs. I'm thinking, you know what, there's nothing here

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Speaker 25: for me, So I'm just going to go across the

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Speaker 25: burch and see if I can find something.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Kate, so I've got a text you saying actually

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Speaker 3: students are looking in the wrong place for work. I'm

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Speaker 3: a student myself. There's plenty of jobs in ag and

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Speaker 3: horticulture picking fruit and such.

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Speaker 25: So say that Christian again for Amist.

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Speaker 3: So somebody's text in saying, actually there are plenty of

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Speaker 3: jobs available in agriculture and horticulture doing things like pecking fruit.

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Speaker 25: I mean, yes, there's always that need because obviously at

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Speaker 25: this time of year with the summer coming on. But

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Speaker 25: that is the I that when you be your career

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Speaker 25: then great and it's a role that you can get

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Speaker 25: as a summer role. But not everybody lives in the

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Speaker 25: Hawk's Bay or lives in those fruit picking districts. So yes,

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Speaker 25: there's there's probably the opportunity there, but that's not going

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Speaker 25: to help everybody. There's a lot of people out there

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Speaker 25: and the cities and small towns that rely on that hospitality, retail,

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Speaker 25: tart work to keep them going in a little bit

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Speaker 25: petty cash.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough, Kate, thank you for talking us through

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01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 3: to appreciate It's Kate Ross Swivel Careers. Trump is yet

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Speaker 3: to do his final rally, So Carmela's done hers. She's

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Speaker 3: off the stage with what's his name, Tim, Tim, the

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Speaker 3: husband Tim, mister Carmela. They've headed off so she could

1457
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Speaker 3: get some sleep finally ahead of the big day. Trump

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01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 3: is yet to actually do his final speech. He's due

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Speaker 3: to appear in Michigan. I think it's after midnight. They're

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Speaker 3: already it is. It's ten past midnight in Michigan and

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Speaker 3: they're still waiting for him to appear. So because on

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Speaker 3: the huddle, I think it was Phil said that if

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Speaker 3: you just look at the demeanor of the two candidates,

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Speaker 3: you would think maybe it was saying so if you

1465
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Speaker 3: look at the demeanor of the two candidates. You would

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Speaker 3: think he's defeated and she's she's the winner, but part

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Speaker 3: of that will be because he's naked. He will be

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Speaker 3: very tired. He's got twenty fiveish years on her, right,

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Speaker 3: and he's been remembered. When she was picked, he was

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Speaker 3: already campaigning, so he was campaigning. He'd already started campaigning

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Speaker 3: when they finally got round to picking her, and then

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Speaker 3: she started campaigning. He has been hitting it hard this

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Speaker 3: whole way through, and he's been doing more than she has,

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Speaker 3: right because she disappeared for days on time on end,

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Speaker 3: you know, going into the hotel rooms and preparing for

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Speaker 3: interviews and stuff like that. So I just reckon. The

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Speaker 3: guy's absolutely naked, and it's kind of, to be honest

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Speaker 3: with you, kind of impressive that he's still going to

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Speaker 3: do another one. Anyway, we'll keep you across it when

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Speaker 3: he does. Got a bit of an idea of how

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Speaker 3: Ron Mansfield is planning to defend the Tarmak. He's in

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Speaker 3: their trial. This is over them breaking the big lockdown

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Speaker 3: in Auckland at the end of twenty twenty one. The

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Speaker 3: fascinating thing about it is that there is no dispute

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Speaker 3: that they broke the lockdown is there because we all

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Speaker 3: saw with our own eyes. We saw the footage were

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Speaker 3: sitting there in our houses, all locked up in Level three,

1488
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Speaker 3: and there they were having picnics in the domain. So

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Speaker 3: there's no doubt that they did it. So how do

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Speaker 3: you defend these charges. He's claiming that the reason they're

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Speaker 3: a trial at the moment is because there was political

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Speaker 3: pressure on the police to bring them to trial, to

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Speaker 3: charge these two, because the same charges have not been

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Speaker 3: laid against other groups who also protested despite lockdown rules,

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Speaker 3: other groups being, of course, the ground Swell guys, the farmers,

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Speaker 3: and the Black lives most notably and memorably the Black

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Speaker 3: Lives Matter guys. He has pointed out that there are

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Speaker 3: lots of emails between the Police Commissioner's Office and the

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Speaker 3: Department of the Prime Minister in Cabinet and also the

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Speaker 3: Ministry of Health, both of whom were copied into media

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Speaker 3: releases about the Tarmarques before the media releases were sent

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Speaker 3: out by the police. Now he's argued this is Ron

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Speaker 3: Manswell that the reason that all of these dudes are

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01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 3: in the loop, as in the Department of Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: in Cabinet and the Ministry of Health was because Parliament

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01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 3: and the Ministry of Health and the COVID Response Team

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Speaker 3: and the Police Ministry at the time, we're putting pressure

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Speaker 3: on the police to take action and prosecute the tarmarkies.

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Speaker 3: So interesting little argument developing their thirteen past.

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Speaker 1: Six analysis from the experts bringing you everything you need

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Speaker 1: to know on the US election. It's the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Heather Duplicy Allen and Myhr Ehr solution for busy

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Speaker 1: SMEs used talks they'd be.

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Speaker 3: All right with me right now. Sixteen past six is

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Speaker 3: Brad Olson in for Metrics Principal economist, Hey, Brad Good evening,

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Speaker 3: Brad Listen. So we've seen the Reserve Banks Financial Stability

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Speaker 3: report out today. They are still holding out. I think

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Speaker 3: this is interesting. Haven't changed their prediction on what the

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Speaker 3: unemployment rate's going to do, held it since about August,

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Speaker 3: haven't that five point four percent? Yes, that's right, and in.

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Speaker 26: A sense, I mean it's also important that it still

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Speaker 26: is going to take a while to get to that point.

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Speaker 26: That five point four percent peak is what they think

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Speaker 26: will get to sort of over the first six months

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Speaker 26: of twenty twenty five. So again, it doesn't come through immediately.

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Speaker 26: What was interesting looking through the Financial Stability Report was

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Speaker 26: just how much they highlighted that. Look, the domestic economy

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Speaker 26: obviously in a challenging position, and even with interest rates

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Speaker 26: coming down and starting to fall, the fact that you'll

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Speaker 26: still have further increases in unemployment. Obviously it's pretty difficult

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Speaker 26: for households to afford their mortgage at that point. So

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Speaker 26: the Reserve Bank still actually thinking that the proportion of

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Speaker 26: loans that are non performing and people that can't pay

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Speaker 26: their loans is expected to increase. It's currently at point

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Speaker 26: five percent of total loan values. That's the highest it's

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Speaker 26: been since around sort of twenty fourteen or so. So

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Speaker 26: you are really getting this message from the Reserve Bank,

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Speaker 26: and I think it is important that although interest rates

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Speaker 26: are starting to come down and there are better times

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Speaker 26: on the horizon, the economy is still in a pretty

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Speaker 26: difficult place for the next six to nine months until

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Speaker 26: those lower interest rates come through.

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Speaker 3: Now, we were chatting yesterday to Steve Yukovich, the CEO

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Speaker 3: of Kiwi Bank. He says he's picking late this month

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Speaker 3: a fifty basis point cut no more because it's just

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Speaker 3: too much at seventy five, what do you think.

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Speaker 26: Look, I think a lot might depend on actually on tomorrow,

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Speaker 26: not the US election outcome, but the latest labor market

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Speaker 26: data out from stats n Z expecting a five percent

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Speaker 26: unemployment rate to come through. But I think in a sense,

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Speaker 26: if there is a lot of the numbers are pretty

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Speaker 26: consistent at the moment that the economy continues to get weaker.

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Speaker 26: If you saw the unemployment rate though that sort of

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Speaker 26: was quite a bit above where the market and the

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Speaker 26: Reserve Bank we're thinking, if you saw wage pressures starting

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Speaker 26: to drop a lot quicker than might have been expected.

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Speaker 26: If you see that job hiring figure rarely come back,

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Speaker 26: and it has started two in recent times. We were

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Speaker 26: talking just last week about how there are twenty thousand

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Speaker 26: fewer jobs in the economy. So if all of that

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Speaker 26: data was particularly weaker, I think it could force the

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Speaker 26: Bank to still look at seventy five, and I sort

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Speaker 26: of hope that they do at least toss it up

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Speaker 26: in their meeting coming up later this month. But I

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Speaker 26: mean the central view, and my central view as well,

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Speaker 26: is still around that fifty basis points that would be

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Speaker 26: sort of the current normal expectation. But again I think

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Speaker 26: all eyes are on the data, all eyes also on

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Speaker 26: the rest of the world. Not only is there an

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Speaker 26: election in the US this week, there's also a new

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Speaker 26: announcement from the US Federal Reserve over what they want

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Speaker 26: to do with interest rates, So all of that I

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Speaker 26: think will go into the reserve banks thinking. But yep,

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Speaker 26: at the moment, fifty is still I think where the

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Speaker 26: smart money is. Although my Melbourne cup pick didn't go

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Speaker 26: well today, so it's always a challenging decision. Right do

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Speaker 26: you want to have a pick at the US election?

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Speaker 5: Then?

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Speaker 12: Ah, jeez, I really don't know what way it's going

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Speaker 12: to go.

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Speaker 26: I feel like either way you've got some pretty different

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Speaker 26: outcomes that are coming through. I think by a slim,

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Speaker 26: slim margin, I think it'll go to Harris.

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Speaker 3: What that is wishful thinking, Brad, isn't it?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 26: Well, I mean I think put it this way. If

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Speaker 26: it goes to Trump, I think there's a huge question

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Speaker 26: that can't really be answered tomorrow or even in the

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Speaker 26: next couple of weeks as to what that means for

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Speaker 26: the New Zealand economy at the very least, let alone

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Speaker 26: the global economy. Of course, inauguration doesn't happen till twenty

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Speaker 26: twentieth of January twenty twenty five. So a lot of

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Speaker 26: water to go under the bridge, no matter what happens

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Speaker 26: in the next twenty four hours.

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Speaker 3: So you make a very good point, Hey, Brad, Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much. Brad Olson, Infametrics principal economist. Poor Brad.

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Speaker 3: I'm just like stabbing at him with that wishful thinking.

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Speaker 3: We are going to the Tariff's thing is big. I

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Speaker 3: was actually speaking to somebody involved in the wine industry

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Speaker 3: earlier today about how they're going to be impacted by it,

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Speaker 3: and it is big. We're gonna talk to Jamie McKay

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Speaker 3: about it shortly. But listen, No Trump wins tomorrow, and

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you why. I mean, I've given you

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Speaker 3: a bunch of arguments over the last few weeks. But

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Speaker 3: Henry Olsen, who was on the show yesterday, I've dug

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Speaker 3: up his opinion piece that he told us about, which

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Speaker 3: is on the New York Post today. This is what

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Speaker 3: it says. This race is close, but I'm predicting Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump wins the electoral College and possibly the popular vote.

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Speaker 3: He has This is Henry Olsen been picking elections for

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Speaker 3: twenty years. He says, the weight of the evidence leads

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Speaker 3: me to predict Donald Trump will win the electoral College

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Speaker 3: and could, under a best case scenario for Trump even

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Speaker 3: win the popular vote. I'm gonna explain my reasoning below. Nevertheless,

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Speaker 3: I'm locking in my final answer. Trump wins, and get

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Speaker 3: a load of this. Okay, the numbers are important. Trump

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Speaker 3: wins the Electoral College two hundred and ninety seven to

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Speaker 3: two hundred and forty one. Remember, all he needs is

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Speaker 3: to seventy one to win. He just needs to get

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Speaker 3: across that two seventy line. He wins it to ninety seven.

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Speaker 3: Now if he wins, If Henry Olsen's right, and he

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Speaker 3: wins it two ninety seven, I reckon, we know tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we've got I don't reckon we've got

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Speaker 3: to wait around for Pennsylvania nonsense like that. It's not

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Speaker 3: going to take days or anything. You'll know tomorrow. If

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Speaker 3: it is as decisive as Henry Olsen says, Trump wins

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Speaker 3: the Electrocollege two ninety seven to two forty one. Karmala

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Speaker 3: Harris wins the popular vote four forty nine point six

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Speaker 3: to forty eight point three. That's what he thinks is

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Speaker 3: going to happen Trump's victory, our Congress goes to the

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Speaker 3: Republicans as well, and Trump's victory will also carry the

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Speaker 3: Republicans to enhance majorities in the House and a good

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Speaker 3: night in the Senate. The reason he thinks this is

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Speaker 3: for the following reasons. Harris, because the Republicans obviously split

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Speaker 3: for Trump, the Democrats split for Harris, but the Independence.

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Speaker 3: She only leads the Independence by two points, and that

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Speaker 3: is not enough to carry her over. She needs a

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Speaker 3: bigger margin than that to be able to win the election.

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Speaker 3: As I write this, Trump leads in five of the

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Speaker 3: seven swing states, trailing in Wisconsin by zero point two points.

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Speaker 3: That's nothing, and Michigan by zero point five that's nothing.

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Speaker 3: There's good reason to think the state Poles and Wisconsin

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Speaker 3: under estimate poll Trump polster Patrick Raffini found that the

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Speaker 3: state had the largest polling eras in twenty sixteen and

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty, both favoring Democrats by three points or more.

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Speaker 3: He also found that as of September this year, the

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Speaker 3: Pole still appeared to be overstating Harris by two point

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Speaker 3: six percent. So we'll see. Henry Olsen said it, Nate

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Speaker 3: Silver said it. Some other random people, including me have

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Speaker 3: said it. So we'll see if it comes to pass.

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Speaker 3: Six twenty two, The.

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Speaker 4: Rural Report on hither due to see Allen Drive.

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Speaker 3: I tell you what Trump is speaking in Michigan. So

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Speaker 3: he's finally turned up. He's actually been speaking probably for

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Speaker 3: at least the last five minutes or so. Tell you

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Speaker 3: what he has gone hard on that fakedna like he's

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Speaker 3: prepared himself. I think he might might be. What a

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Speaker 3: strategy on this may be is that you want to

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Speaker 3: look good on the day right the day before. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't really matter, so you want to look good for

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Speaker 3: the event, so you get it done a little hard

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Speaker 3: the day before, and then you like that that last

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Speaker 3: shower before the big day kind of washes off the

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Speaker 3: kind of extreme edge of it. So tomorrow he looks

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Speaker 3: he should look good tomorrow. Today he looks like a

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Speaker 3: ken dole that's been left outside to roast or something.

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Speaker 3: Six twenty five And with me right now, as Jamie mckaye,

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Speaker 3: Host of the Country, Hey, Jamie good I Heather, I.

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Speaker 13: Reckon he's got the orange wall paint on to cover

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Speaker 13: the bags under his eyes. You can say what you

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Speaker 13: want about Trump, but at seventy eight years of age.

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Speaker 13: You have to admire his energy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's probably napping on the plane, don't you think

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Speaker 3: on the way over like he's he'll be doing like

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Speaker 3: newborn cat naps, won't he.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, But I mean, you know, he hasn't had a

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Speaker 13: day off.

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Speaker 5: He has.

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Speaker 13: He had a game of golf for about six weeks apparently.

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Speaker 13: So no, No, he's a bit like Winston ageless from

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Speaker 13: that point of view. I admire his energy, if not

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Speaker 13: all his policies, and some of his policies Heather may

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Speaker 13: come home to roost far us here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Well, particularly when you think I was talking to somebody

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Speaker 3: in the wine business today and twenty percent tariffs, if

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Speaker 3: they are like, that's really going to hit them quite hard.

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Speaker 3: In the States, which is a big market for US.

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Speaker 13: Well, it's our biggest market. I didn't realize that our

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Speaker 13: biggest export market. Excuse me, I'm a bit like Donald

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Speaker 13: in the South, losing the boards eight hundred million dollars

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Speaker 13: worth of export revenue last year to the US. Now,

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Speaker 13: our wines occupy kind of a mid range price point

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Speaker 13: in the US market, and some of the commentary around

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Speaker 13: this is that retailers would be very reluctant to increase

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Speaker 13: the price on a bottle fifteen to twenty dollars US

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Speaker 13: and that therefore the tariff could fall back on the

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Speaker 13: wine producers. So not so good for the wine producers.

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Speaker 13: Maybe not so good for the lamb producers either when

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Speaker 13: it comes to the red meat, because there are price

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Speaker 13: points at which lamb will just burn off the demand.

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Speaker 13: The interesting one, Heather, is beef. They literally cannot get

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Speaker 13: enough of our beef. And it's all for manufacturing, it's

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Speaker 13: all for hamburgers. McDonald's needs. McDonald's need everything we can produce,

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Speaker 13: and a bit more so. Once again, some of the

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Speaker 13: commentaries saying, whereas who will bear the cost of these tariffs,

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Speaker 13: and the first instance, that would be paid for by

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Speaker 13: us and porters, But the extent to which those costs

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Speaker 13: could be passed on to wholesale or resale or retail

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Speaker 13: customers depends on the bargaining power, and beef apparently has

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Speaker 13: a lot more bargaining power, so the tariff is unlikely

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Speaker 13: to fall on the New Zealand exporters. May not be

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Speaker 13: the same with our lamb and our wine.

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Speaker 3: That's a very interesting, a little insight that you've got there, Jamie,

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Speaker 3: I appreciated. That's Jemie McKay, host of the Country, Heather

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Speaker 3: read the info DROPERYID, is there any way we can

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Speaker 3: find out if we are one of the two hundred

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Speaker 3: and seventy thousand taxpayers. I don't actually know the answer

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Speaker 3: to that question, but we're going to talk to David

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Speaker 3: Buckingham next, who's actually complained about this. He's one of

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Speaker 3: the people who sparked this complaint at the ID. Maybe

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Speaker 3: he knows the answers to ask him that question. Hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm hearing from the announcer that's me that she's willing

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Speaker 3: Trump to win every night. It might be a sad

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Speaker 3: program I'm later this week if he doesn't, well, I mean,

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Speaker 3: maybe it's a bit of wishful thinking on my part

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Speaker 3: because jes a bit funny next four years, wouldn't it?

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Speaker 4: Headline's next, If it's to do with money, it matters

1728
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Speaker 4: to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Hither Duple Clean and my HR

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Speaker 3: Take Inder. Brady is going to be with us in

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Speaker 3: ten minutes time. Trump is speaking in Michigan for his

1733
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Speaker 3: last rally before the big vote.

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Speaker 15: We're in very good shape. I have to tell you

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Speaker 15: we're way up in terms of the vote, and I

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Speaker 15: don't want to talk too much about it because I

1737
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 15: really want you to. I really want you to just

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01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 15: assume that it's sort of even and you're going to

1739
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 15: turn out tomorrow and we're going to blow this thing away, because.

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Speaker 5: You know we're leading.

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Speaker 15: We're leading going in by hundreds of thousands of votes.

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01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 15: But just pretend we're tied or losing by a little bit,

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01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 15: because we want to put on a display tomorrow of

1744
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 15: unity and everything the progress at this party has made

1745
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 15: is incredible.

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Speaker 3: It's funny that he said this because this is what

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01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 3: we were talking about myself and Laura of the Producer

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01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 3: in one of the ad breaks before, where these guys

1749
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Speaker 3: have What they have to do is they have to

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Speaker 3: try very hard not to look like they're losing or

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01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 3: winning by too much, because if you win, if you

1752
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 3: look like you're going to win by too much, people think, God,

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01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 3: honey to vote that Kamla's got it in the bag

1754
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 3: or Trump's got in the bag. And if they're losing

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Speaker 3: by too much, then people won't vote because they go,

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01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 3: what's the point we're going to lose anyway, So you

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Speaker 3: want it to be like almost a dead heat, right,

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Speaker 3: so that people feel like they've got to vote. But

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Speaker 3: you need it to be a dead heat where you've

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01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 3: got the momentum. So and then he just basically he

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Speaker 3: just you're not supposed to say it out loud, but

1762
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 3: Trump just says it doesn't He like, I want you

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01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 3: to think that it's a dead heat, but I want

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Speaker 3: you to come out of it, and went there you go.

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Speaker 3: He basically told you the strategy twenty two from seven

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Speaker 3: together do for sel now Enland Revenue has admitted it

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Speaker 3: gave Facebook the names, the addresses and other contact details

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Speaker 3: of almost two hundred and seventy thousand taxpayers. So you remember,

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Speaker 3: i ID has already got itself in a little bit

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Speaker 3: of trouble because it's been given these these encrypted bits

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Speaker 3: of information, hashed bits of information. But then when they

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Speaker 3: went in and looked at it, they realized they were

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01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 3: also giving out some raw information. David Buckingham is a

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Speaker 3: Queenstown employment relations consultant who first complained about this, and

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Speaker 3: he's with us.

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Speaker 4: Now, hey, David, hey, good evening.

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Speaker 3: This this is mental. I mean we thought that they

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01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 3: were at least trying to hide the stuff. Now it

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Speaker 3: turns out they're just giving the information over completely in

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Speaker 3: the raw form.

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Speaker 4: Did this surprise you, Look, it actually did a little bit.

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Speaker 11: I did actually think that they had some pretty good

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Speaker 11: processes around, at least hashing it. That wasn't really the

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Speaker 11: focus of my initial complaints. It was the fact that

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Speaker 11: information was being matched against databases that were in some

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Speaker 11: of the biggest data brokerages in world, people like Meta

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Speaker 11: that has a checkered history in terms of the way

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Speaker 11: that they deal with data. And look, I'm not suggesting

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Speaker 11: that I have any smoking gun evidence that they've done

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Speaker 11: anything illegal or wrong, but I was this is wrong

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Speaker 11: to you. I mean, this is wrong, and morally I

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01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 11: think it's wrong, but I'm not suggesting leaguesly wrong. What

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Speaker 11: I do say is is that when you upload hashed information,

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Speaker 11: and this is a way of scrambling things, and so

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Speaker 11: that there's also like a game of snap, sort of

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Speaker 11: a digital game of cryptographic snap. So that I face

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Speaker 11: as already has the information, they can kind of make

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Speaker 11: the inference that that's who they want to target. The

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01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 11: problem is this number one is identifiable to somebody with

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Speaker 11: this level of data. Second, of all, these were small batches.

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Speaker 11: These were little batches of data that were identified as

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Speaker 11: being attached to a particular taxpayer behavior. So let me

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01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 11: just give you a really a good metaphor. If I

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Speaker 11: gave you twenty ring binders, smaller ring binders with a

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Speaker 11: whole attached information on the side of it, and you

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01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 11: could say, well, that's sort of secure. I mean, I

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01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 11: still don't think it's right. But let's just say that

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Speaker 11: we run with what IID you've said, which is that

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01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 11: this data is scrambled. Nole's assuming that they are twenty

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Speaker 11: ring binders of the scrambled information, and on the binder,

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Speaker 11: on the outside binder of each one of these ring binders,

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Speaker 11: it's got a label on it with very specific taxpayer behavior.

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Speaker 11: That's what they've done. This report talks about what's in

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Speaker 11: the binder, and we're saying the breach of privacy was

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Speaker 11: the fact that their data was included within one of

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Speaker 11: those folders, right, and the label on the outside.

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Speaker 3: Now, can you explain something to me, David, because I

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Speaker 3: don't get this, Okay, Ird, if there are a specific

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Speaker 3: taxpayer behavior that they're trying to stop, which is, let's

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Speaker 3: say I haven't paid my taxes and they're trying to

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Speaker 3: get a hold of me. Why don't they just take

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Speaker 3: the information they've already got, which is my name, my email,

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Speaker 3: my contact phone number, my address, and give me a call.

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01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 3: And so you haven't paid your tax, pay it. Why

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Speaker 3: do they need to go to Facebook to pay Facebook

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Speaker 3: to run an add at me.

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Speaker 11: There's a brilliant question. But I get my notifications from

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Speaker 11: in the Revenue by way of this thing called my IR.

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01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 11: I can open up and I can read it. And

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Speaker 11: the way I discovered this was that I went digging

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Speaker 11: inside the privacy settings of Facebook. When I was on

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Speaker 11: Facebook obviously deleted my account, but when I was on Facebook,

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Speaker 11: I was going through the number of companies that were

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Speaker 11: disclosing my personal information two meta and by way of

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Speaker 11: doing that, I had this big, long list of companies

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Speaker 11: that had approached me. Look, I'll tell you something. When

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Speaker 11: I first actually emailed in the Revenue about this, and

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Speaker 11: I think it was March, the initial response internally, because

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Speaker 11: I've asked for this information under the privacy, the first

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Speaker 11: response was to say, well, we're just wondering if these

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Speaker 11: are just some sort of unfounded accusations. Well, today in

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Speaker 11: the Revenue. I've not only had to concede that they're

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Speaker 11: not only doing it, that there's time to pressure to

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Speaker 11: stop this practice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too, Right now, do you know if we can

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Speaker 3: find out if we're part of the two hundred and

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Speaker 3: seventy thousand taxpayers who just had our information handed to

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Speaker 3: meet her?

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Speaker 11: What in the Revenue has said at the press conference

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Speaker 11: and then their media communications todays is that they're going

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Speaker 11: to be contacting those people in the next twenty four hours.

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Speaker 11: They say also that the other many hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 11: of people who may have got caught up in some

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01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 11: of these previous uploads of data. However, which way they

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01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 11: want to frame it that they don't even know They

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01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 11: don't know. The Commissioner the Day has been saying by

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Speaker 11: all reports, they're actually not sure and it would be

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01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 11: too hard together.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, David, Thanks for runningus through to really appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Buckingham Queen Sound Employment Relations consultant. What a waste of money.

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Speaker 3: You could just send me an email. Now you're paying

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Speaker 3: Facebook to target me with an ad. What a waste

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01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 3: of money. Hey, you remember Brad Olson just about half

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01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 3: an hour ago was talking about Hey, is Trump still speaking?

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01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 3: Don't know they might was probably he likes to go

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Speaker 3: for a couple of air and he's still speaking. He's

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Speaker 3: been going for about twenty five minutes at the stage,

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Speaker 3: and we go for.

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Speaker 13: A long time.

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Speaker 3: Remember it's coming up one am. Anyway, Remember how Brad

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Speaker 3: Olsoen was just talking about that Financial Stability report not

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Speaker 3: that long ago. Very interesting thing in it is that

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Speaker 3: the thing that our banks are most worried about as

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Speaker 3: as a potential precursor for a financial crisis is not

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Speaker 3: a deep recession. Right, This is what the Reserve Bank's

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01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 3: been assuming. It's been assuming that the thing that's going

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Speaker 3: to set off some sort of a financial crisis is

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Speaker 3: a deep recession or ant like a natural emergency like

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Speaker 3: an earthquake, or maybe a pandemic, or like some outbreak

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Speaker 3: of some hideous disease that's going to really affect our

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01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 3: exporters like foot in mouth. No, no, no, Apparently the

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Speaker 3: banks are worried about. And I'm not mocking the banks,

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Speaker 3: like I think this is worth listening to. Because the

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Speaker 3: banks are private enterprises, they will have their fingers on

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Speaker 3: the pulse. What they are most worried about is a war,

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Speaker 3: and they you would assume they didn't say what war,

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Speaker 3: they didn't say where in the world, but you would

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Speaker 3: assume immediately that it would be something involving Taiwan, because

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01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 3: that would be the closest thing to us, the closest

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01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 3: point to us where something could feasibly go wrong. As

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Speaker 3: a result of that, the Reserve Bank is now considering

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01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 3: incorporating geopolitical risks into the equation when it comes up

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01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 3: with scenarios for its own bank stress tests next year.

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01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,560
Speaker 3: So when banks start to worry about the possibility of

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01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 3: a war, you should know that as that's not a

1896
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 3: lunatic idea anymore. Sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Croaching thumbs and getting the results, it's hither duplicy. Ellen

1898
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 1: with the Business Hour thanks to my HR the HR

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Speaker 1: solution for busy smys on news talks.

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Speaker 3: Ib Brady are UK correspondence with us now, Hey Enda.

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Speaker 7: Hey Heather, great to speak to you again.

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Speaker 3: So in your part of the world, our leaders preparing

1903
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 3: for the possibility that either side could win.

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Speaker 23: I think they absolutely are, and I think the majority

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01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 23: of European capitals and their leaders will be staying up

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01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 23: very very late into the night here, and I think

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01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 23: the majority of them will want Harris to win because

1908
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 23: they just can't handle the unpredictability of Trump.

1909
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Speaker 7: They're worried about NATO.

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Speaker 23: They're very, very worried about the USA pulling out with

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Speaker 23: NATO completely, as he has said if he comes back.

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Speaker 23: The war in Ukraine is still exercising minds as we

1913
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 23: head deeper into winter. And I think the only kind

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Speaker 23: of people in Europe who will welcome a Trump victory

1915
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 23: will be Victor Orban of Hungary. And the worrying thing

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01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 23: for the European Union is he has very much positioned

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Speaker 23: himself as Trump's best mate in Europe. He has stayed

1918
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Speaker 23: at Mari Lago, he has spent time with Trump privately.

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Speaker 23: He's put a lot of effort into building this relationship

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Speaker 23: as Victor Orban of Hungary, and people are talking about

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Speaker 23: democratic backsliding in Hungary in the last decade under his rules.

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Speaker 23: So it's fascinating. Let's just see what happens.

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01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 3: What's the most likely outcome for Ukraine if Trump wins.

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Speaker 23: Look, he's saying that the war will end the very

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01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 23: next day after Trump comes in in January. And look,

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Speaker 23: I think Trump's plan is to get people to sit down,

1927
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Speaker 23: knock heads together, and for Ukraine, to give up vast,

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01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 23: vast tracts of land like Donetsk, Luhansk.

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Speaker 7: All of that area.

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Speaker 23: Russia will obviously keep you Crimea. That is Trump's plan,

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Speaker 23: totally unacceptable to Zelenski and the Ukrainian people. I'm not

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Speaker 23: sure he has a plan, but overall, ultimately Trump will

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Speaker 23: be a disruptor if he comes in again.

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Speaker 7: And I think that's why.

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Speaker 23: Labor we're so keen to go and meet him in

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Speaker 23: the summer, Keir Starmer securing a two hour dinner in

1937
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Speaker 23: New York with Trump because they do feel that it's

1938
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Speaker 23: possible he can win this.

1939
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. Hey, have you seen inside this

1940
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Speaker 3: place in Chelsea that Tom Ford has bought.

1941
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Speaker 23: I've seen the outside of it. I've not been invited

1942
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Speaker 23: in yet. One hundred and sixty million dollars my god,

1943
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Speaker 23: and he doesn't. And obviously, you know there's a couple

1944
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Speaker 23: of schools. I thought, here is the fashion designer Tom

1945
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Speaker 23: Ford preparing for a life outside of America if Trump wins.

1946
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Speaker 23: This purchase has been completed at lightning speed, and other

1947
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Speaker 23: people are pointing out, hang on with the budget here

1948
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Speaker 23: last Wednesday, he's got this over the line to save

1949
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Speaker 23: on the increase in second home purchases, so there's a

1950
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Speaker 23: property tax here every time you move.

1951
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Speaker 7: Second home purchases have rocketed under this new.

1952
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Speaker 23: Labor budget and the end result is he's saved himself

1953
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Speaker 23: about three point two million dollars, not that he needs it,

1954
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Speaker 23: having just sold his entire empire.

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Speaker 7: To Esdale Order last year for about four billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, I was wondering how he was affording it.

1957
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Speaker 3: Thanks for filling a net blank. How much is the university?

1958
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Speaker 3: He's going to go up by so.

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Speaker 23: Three point one percent from April, which will probably knock

1960
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Speaker 23: on about eight hundred dollars a year onto your degree

1961
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Speaker 23: tuition fees. So they currently stand at eighteen thousand dollars

1962
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Speaker 23: a year. They'll go up to eighteen thousand, eight hundred

1963
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Speaker 23: and Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor Finance minister who delivered this budget,

1964
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Speaker 23: is very clear listening to her speak and the Education

1965
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Speaker 23: Secretary as well, Bridget Phillipson, that the.

1966
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Speaker 7: Whole point of this rise is to get more value

1967
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Speaker 7: from the universities and they addressed this.

1968
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Speaker 23: Squarely to the what they say are highly paid vice

1969
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Speaker 23: chancellors that they need to be looking at their salaries

1970
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Speaker 23: and bringing costs down now Turkeys are not going to

1971
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Speaker 23: vote for Christmas, so the government may have to intervene

1972
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Speaker 23: again at some stage. But ultimately everyone in university as

1973
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Speaker 23: of April will be paying even more for their university fees.

1974
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Speaker 23: And I find it amazing because a few years ago,

1975
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Speaker 23: when he was in opposition, Keir Starmer said a Labor

1976
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Speaker 23: government would scrap juition fees completely. And now they're hiking them.

1977
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Speaker 3: What a surprise. Hey, okay, listen, you know I think

1978
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Speaker 3: I've talked to you about this before. What we have

1979
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Speaker 3: to go here again because yesterday on the show we

1980
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 3: were getting texts. This is a hit of the Rugby

1981
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:45,679
Speaker 3: met getting texts telling off the newsreaders for pronouncing Ireland

1982
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Speaker 3: with the ir like Ireland. What is the right way

1983
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Speaker 3: to do it? Is it Ireland or Ireland?

1984
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Speaker 23: Ireland is how I would pronounce it. But look, I

1985
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Speaker 23: love the fact that there's even a conversation about it.

1986
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Speaker 23: And look, if you want to hear Rugby commentaries, check

1987
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Speaker 23: out the Irish pronunciation of some of your fellow's names.

1988
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Speaker 7: You'll die were.

1989
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Speaker 3: Speak English here? Inda, right, We're not. We're not speaking

1990
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Speaker 3: any sort of weird Gaelic thing. We're speaking English. Do

1991
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 3: you pronounce the R?

1992
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 7: I say it Ireland.

1993
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Speaker 3: I'm now Ireland in the world does not pronounce the.

1994
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Speaker 7: R English people. English people say Ireland.

1995
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Speaker 3: Oh, but they are pronouncing they are, aren't they. It's

1996
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 3: just really softly, isn't it?

1997
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Speaker 23: Very very softly and almost dropped and the eye almost

1998
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Speaker 23: runs through into the L.

1999
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Speaker 6: Look we just say Ireland and look at UK.

2000
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Speaker 3: So long as Ireland win, you're dreaming like you're dreaming,

2001
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Speaker 3: you can get smashed.

2002
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Speaker 7: We've done it before.

2003
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Speaker 23: We're the only time we don't do it is when

2004
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Speaker 23: it matters in a bloody World Cup.

2005
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Speaker 7: But anyway, there we are.

2006
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Speaker 3: Thank you for settling at Inda. I appreciate it. Indo Brady,

2007
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 3: who's in for a said weekend? Said weekend after the

2008
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 3: rugby UK corresponds Ireland the ego what's the problem stopping

2009
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 3: weird about this? Please? Eight away from seven?

2010
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,120
Speaker 4: Getting ready for a new administration in the US. What

2011
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 4: will be the impact?

2012
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Speaker 1: It's The Business Hour with Heather Duplicity, Allen and my

2013
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Speaker 1: Hr The HR solution for busy SMEs News talks edb.

2014
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Speaker 4: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

2015
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:16,599
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen's and my HR

2016
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:20,600
Speaker 1: the HR solution for busy SMEs on NEWSTALKSB.

2017
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Speaker 3: We can't be sure if Donald Trump is still speaking

2018
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 3: or not because all of the networks have cut away

2019
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:28,600
Speaker 3: from him, ha ha, because it's still boring because it

2020
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 3: just goes on and on and on and on, So

2021
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,679
Speaker 3: we don't know what's going on. He may well be speaking,

2022
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 3: he may well not be. But anyway, kirkaha to everybody,

2023
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 3: because we're dealing with us tomorrow and I'm quite excited.

2024
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you have, but I'm quite excited

2025
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 3: to find out how this particular cliffhanger ends. Five away

2026
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 3: from seven here the Great Show. Sometimes you annoy me,

2027
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Terry. So a bit of a whoopsie from Google.

2028
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Speaker 3: Google has been accused by Ukraine of accidentally revealing where

2029
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 3: Ukraine's key military positions are in maps. Because what looks

2030
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 3: like what they've done is, you know Google Maps, which

2031
01:34:58,439 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 3: you've got on your phone. You can have a look.

2032
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 3: You can see like the map, but then you can

2033
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:03,639
Speaker 3: also go to the satellite image and you can see

2034
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Speaker 3: what it really looks like from space. Unfortunately, they've done

2035
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 3: an update of Google Maps with satellite photos taken in

2036
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Speaker 3: the last year or so since September last year, accidentally

2037
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Speaker 3: taken photos of the military setups have and they just

2038
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,799
Speaker 3: uploaded that to Google Maps, things like there's an airport

2039
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Speaker 3: near Kiev and I've got this new air defense system

2040
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Speaker 3: that's wrapped around it with you know, with like US

2041
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,760
Speaker 3: made Patriot anti aircraft missiles. You just go have a

2042
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 3: look now and you can be oh, there's the missiles.

2043
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Speaker 3: Coul We're not going to go there, says Russia because oh, look,

2044
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Speaker 3: they've got an air defense system thanks Google Maps. Now,

2045
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Speaker 3: apparently Google, they realize that they've stuffed up, and they've

2046
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Speaker 3: tried to They're in touch with Ukraine and they're trying

2047
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Speaker 3: to fix it, but it's probably too late because Moscow's

2048
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 3: already onto it have started actively distributing the pictures and stuff. Listen,

2049
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Speaker 3: how does this happen? Like if you're Google, surely surely

2050
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 3: there are some places in the world where you're like, hey,

2051
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 3: do you know what. There's a war going on in Ukraine,

2052
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Speaker 3: So maybe we're just not going to do any updates

2053
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:00,680
Speaker 3: of Google Maps just around that particular active wall zone there,

2054
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 3: and yeah, maybe just like because like that's been in

2055
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 3: the news. Affair but hasn't it for a couple of

2056
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:10,640
Speaker 3: years now that that that particular thing is happening. So yeah, anyway, idiots.

2057
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Speaker 12: I land the idea of the Russian military brass though

2058
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Speaker 12: sitting around sort of like strolling around on Google Earth.

2059
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Speaker 3: Being like that, and they have their own satellites.

2060
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Speaker 12: Well, this is what I was thinking.

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Speaker 27: Surely the Russian military aren't, you know, just waiting for

2062
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:22,799
Speaker 27: Google to do an update before they update.

2063
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Speaker 3: The free though.

2064
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Speaker 12: They haven't been going as well as they thought in

2065
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Speaker 12: this war, so maybe.

2066
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Speaker 3: They have been a lot cheaper than your own satellite.

2067
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Speaker 27: Very good for Michael Jackson thriller to play us out tonight.

2068
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 27: The only music story in town at the moment. The

2069
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 27: death said death Quincy Jones at his home in bel

2070
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 27: Air at the age of ninety one. Worked with the Beatles, producer,

2071
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 27: worked a lot with Michael Jackson, and died quite a

2072
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 27: few film scores as well. So the entire entertainment world

2073
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:44,760
Speaker 27: is sending out tributes warm at the moment.

2074
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Speaker 3: Very big deal, very big deal, this guy. Enjoy see

2075
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Speaker 3: you tomorrow for the big day. Karmela versus Trumpy News

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